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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The fourteen year old Monument

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Speaker 1: boy disappeared while on a court ordered visit to his

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Speaker 1: lose Dylan, then why is he goin? That's the question

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Speaker 1: we all haven't asked, But ask that question. You had him.

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Speaker 1: Where is he? Dylan's remains were found several months after

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Speaker 1: he disappeared, just about ten miles from his father's home.

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Speaker 1: Mark RedWine had long been considered a person of interest

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Speaker 1: in this case, but he suggested his ex wife, Elaine,

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Speaker 1: Elaine could be involved in this. Mark RedWine is in

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Speaker 1: custody and will face charges in the death of his son, Dylan.

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Speaker 1: Dylan's blood was found in multiple locations of Mark Redwine's

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Speaker 1: living room. Some say this is a shocker, but others

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Speaker 1: say this has been a long time coming. Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Dylan did not want to go visit

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Speaker 1: his dad. He did not want to go, but you

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Speaker 1: know what, cooler heads prevailed and he went to go

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Speaker 1: visit his dad. Now, he went to spend the night

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Speaker 1: and the following morning, Dad gets up to go run errands,

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Speaker 1: Finally he says his son is missing, and a search

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Speaker 1: like no other ensues. I am referring to a beautiful,

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Speaker 1: beautiful little boy, Dylan red Wine. Dylan was not missing.

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Speaker 1: Dylan was murdered. I Nancy Grace. This is crime stories

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Speaker 1: and today and with me is a woman I respect

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Speaker 1: deeply and have thought of, I have prayed for for

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Speaker 1: so long. Dylan's mother, Elaine Hall, is with me. Also

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Speaker 1: with me my friend and colleague, director of the Cold

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Speaker 1: Case Institute, Cheryl McCollum. Elaine, do you remember the moment

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Speaker 1: that you learned Dylan was missing. Yeah, it's probably one

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Speaker 1: of the most relived moments in my head of all

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Speaker 1: the time. What happened while Dylan was went on a

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Speaker 1: next day at four thirty, around four thirty, Mark texted

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Speaker 1: because I can't even imagine what would go through my

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Speaker 1: that person calls and said, hey, have you seen Lucy?

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Speaker 1: What she's with you? So what did you think when

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Speaker 1: we were very close to him, and so when Mark

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Speaker 1: I had not heard from Dylan, I was very, very obviously,

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Speaker 1: dad had just grown apart. Mark never really exercised his

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Speaker 1: Elaine Cheryl McCallum, director of the Coal Case Institute. I

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Speaker 1: I immediately started calling Dylan's phone, and then I immediately

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Speaker 1: What do you do first? I mean, when you walked

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Speaker 1: Right there, that was the first big mista right there.

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Speaker 1: Does he even mistake Nancy? Here's the herd thing. Let's

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Speaker 1: Then what happened, Well, and then you know, basically we

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Speaker 1: We did ground searches, organize the community. Who was you know,

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Speaker 1: wonderful in this case because people showed up in mass

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Speaker 1: It was an older phone. But the whole time we're searching,

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Speaker 1: aren't you searching for your son? What do you mean

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Speaker 1: I think Dylan was instrumental in that. And when you

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Speaker 1: say he had a hand in it, give me an example, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, finding the skull that was you know, that

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Speaker 1: was pretty major. That's actually what you know kind of

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Speaker 1: um sparked you know the fire again in law enforcement

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Speaker 1: and how was it known to a couple of hikers

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Speaker 1: hiker or hikers that were hiking and they called law

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Speaker 1: enforcement and food you know, I think we found our

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Speaker 1: human skull, and you know it was Dylan's. When you

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Speaker 1: Elaine talk about Dylan now and you talk about his

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Speaker 1: remains or you talk about his skull, what effect does

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Speaker 1: that have on you? I mean, after our program is

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Speaker 1: over and you go about your business, does talking about

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Speaker 1: it bring it all back? Does it make it worse?

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Speaker 1: Does it have any effect at all? Or are you

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Speaker 1: just numb? I think it's it's you know, I think

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Speaker 1: being numb is a part of it, but you know

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Speaker 1: it's unfortunately also a part of our lives, and we've

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Speaker 1: just had to come to terms with it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't bring dying back. I wish I could. I

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Speaker 1: would do anything to do that, but you know, we

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Speaker 1: still have to keep going, and we still have to

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Speaker 1: keep fighting for him because he lost his voice and

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Speaker 1: so we have to be his voice. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: the must urific thing that we've ever experienced, and it's

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's going to get any

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Speaker 1: better anytime soon, and so you know, we just have

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Speaker 1: to keep on putting on. I know that you know,

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Speaker 1: Dylan wants us to have you know, closure and a

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Speaker 1: resolution to this, not that we'll or half closure because

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Speaker 1: he will still be dead. But you know, we we

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Speaker 1: have to we have to be strong and just keep

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Speaker 1: fighting for him. You know, Elaine Hall, you just spoken

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Speaker 1: to my heart and inspired me all over again to

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Speaker 1: keep trying. Elaine, I've been thinking of you so much

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Speaker 1: as these developments have happened so rapidly, and please know

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Speaker 1: so many people think of you and hope for you

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Speaker 1: and pray for you and Dylan as well. And I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you for speaking with me today. Thank you, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that