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Speaker 1: and you think about people who grind it from the
Speaker 1: bottom to the top, one of the first names you
Speaker 1: have to think about it's Kareem biggs Hofa. And the
Speaker 1: reason why you gotta think about it is because he
Speaker 1: was the guy on the front line. He was the
Speaker 1: guy who who who participated. He was the guy who
Speaker 1: made sure Rocket Feller was rocket Feller when Rocket Feller
Speaker 1: needed to be Rocket Feller. And if a case you
Speaker 1: don't understand who I'm talking about, we're talking about Kareem
Speaker 1: Biggs Burke make Some Mother and joining us as well
Speaker 1: because I asked him to participate. It's Mickey Benson. The
Speaker 1: case you guys don't know who Mickey Minson. He managed
Speaker 1: Fat Job, he managed Big Punt, and he's still managing
Speaker 1: Iced Tea, which means his money still long. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna take it from the top right now, right now,
Speaker 1: Uh drink Chance podcast. We we we a don't know
Speaker 1: hip hop. We recoppresent hip hop, and that's what we
Speaker 1: want to do. But the thing about it is one
Speaker 1: of the illest things I've ever seen in the hip
Speaker 1: hop was when Rocket Fella Rock wrapped the Buggy I bins.
Speaker 1: Right now at this time, for people that don't know,
Speaker 1: because everybody who got money, you're probably looking at me
Speaker 1: and saying the Buggy bins. You probably like that's nothing
Speaker 1: wrapping the buggy because that's the four thirty now. But
Speaker 1: back then, the Buggy I was like the g S
Speaker 1: four hundred last. So I just want to take it
Speaker 1: from that point. What made y'all say, let me take
Speaker 1: a luxury car because at this time, like like now
Speaker 1: a four or for for thirties, it's regular, right, But
Speaker 1: back then it was that was the S five D
Speaker 1: before the S five. I remember doing it. But it's
Speaker 1: funny because somebody just told me the story the other day.
Speaker 1: And what happened was because that was Dame's car, and
Speaker 1: then we found out that Foxy Brown had the same call.
Speaker 1: We started cutting them all. He's like, you got the
Speaker 1: same car as Foxy, took the car, wrapped it and
Speaker 1: then we put street. Fox's gonna kill me for this
Speaker 1: for some reason. This is I was going back to
Speaker 1: you withox but that's crazy. So so Dave actually had
Speaker 1: this car and then he found out that Fox had
Speaker 1: the call and it was like he's the CEO of
Speaker 1: ex artists. Yeah, that's what push him to wrap it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's like making a street. Yeah, so now big
Speaker 1: This is a hundred year rumor, right, A hundred years
Speaker 1: rumor is the rocket Froller got started. There was money
Speaker 1: that was accolated, but the actual money that started Rocket
Speaker 1: Feller came from Biggs. Is that true. I've been hearing
Speaker 1: the same thing man for a long time. But my
Speaker 1: thing is, don't matter where it came from. A who
Speaker 1: put in equity, whether it's sweat equity or whatever. It is,
Speaker 1: us three coming together. It couldn't have happened any better,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And plus with us three,
Speaker 1: I think that was the trial fact that I made
Speaker 1: Rocket Feller. That's the greatest nigger. But we understand you
Speaker 1: just got off pro probation bag. Yeah, Federal, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest with you. You used to use me as
Speaker 1: a guinea pig. Because you used to use you as
Speaker 1: a guinea piger. That's a fact. He was on probation correctly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back then, and you will stop every two weeks like
Speaker 1: the end of the one. Yeah, and then you would
Speaker 1: just roll o big faith. Gary's in the middle, like, ok,
Speaker 1: I just really let let me face Gary, let me
Speaker 1: you you're man, give him give yeah, yeah, and something
Speaker 1: to be around down. It's good baby, it's something man. Heah. Man,
Speaker 1: y'all Nick has done gained up on us and I'm here, man,
Speaker 1: you know you know what's going on. What's going on? Man?
Speaker 1: You slip? They said your drink champs. I said that's
Speaker 1: what it was. No, they called me all day. I said,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? I'll call them to like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be come from no basically gonna say you
Speaker 1: got that panorama? Man, it's got the panoramas. Came home
Speaker 1: about six months, hit me, it's my boy. Keep play
Speaker 1: no games with the coffee seats. I thought he loved me.
Speaker 1: My bro ain't see him sense, not like the Rocket
Speaker 1: Fuller show downtown. We had a good time. It's boiled
Speaker 1: up with the panoramas. You know. He came home there
Speaker 1: a little time. You know. I told him when he
Speaker 1: went home, before he went to jail, I said, the
Speaker 1: word is you broke? He said, when I come home,
Speaker 1: I'm sure if I'm broken. I seen him about came
Speaker 1: pulled up in the PanAm with the coffee cake seats.
Speaker 1: I said, you're not playing no games man, man, man,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Yeah? Making up with Look, look, let
Speaker 1: me let me just let me just bring your ball,
Speaker 1: right because both of y'all like this, this is the boss,
Speaker 1: big time, big time boss, right my friend before the
Speaker 1: boss stop. Okay, you gotta relaxe. Don't say that's my friend.
Speaker 1: I gotta say that you could be the boy the
Speaker 1: boss because my friend too, was what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: respect that. Okay, So let's take it from the beginning
Speaker 1: right at first, was you guys starting rock and fell
Speaker 1: up before you met home? Because I heard you on
Speaker 1: the UM what is it called the White Boy ship?
Speaker 1: Um crazy as you know right now? Yeah, the White
Speaker 1: Boy Yeah yeah, they it was a great it was
Speaker 1: a great show man. I I can't think that that's
Speaker 1: sad man found found And I was just trying to
Speaker 1: before no, no, because you know you went to before
Speaker 1: I did. They but listen, So what you were saying
Speaker 1: was was that you guys was trying to start a
Speaker 1: company prior to actually meet in jay Z right somewhat,
Speaker 1: well not on my end. My was just literally what
Speaker 1: I said. We used to drink every day. Bigs don't
Speaker 1: care about the music, basic even know about that ship business.
Speaker 1: Just a young dude with a bunch of money, had
Speaker 1: all type of cars, cheating, just like Coop. These were
Speaker 1: hanging out drinking every day. So before you revived, they
Speaker 1: just admitted that Biggs money um started Rocket Feller. Well,
Speaker 1: I have to admit that. Yeah, there's a boss, A
Speaker 1: lot of people say, but I didn't. I didn't look
Speaker 1: at Biggs like that because this big brother was my
Speaker 1: friend and he made me big face so we all
Speaker 1: got close. God bless Bob blah blah blah black. You know,
Speaker 1: he told me everything from the streets on. Biggs was
Speaker 1: a young dude. He just had a bunch of money.
Speaker 1: I don't wander where it was coming from. Dressed like
Speaker 1: a bum. Wo to talk about it? Would it be
Speaker 1: about it? He had a handle, he had money, dressed
Speaker 1: like a bumb BIG's my life a long time ago. Man,
Speaker 1: say Tims were the white should I want to go
Speaker 1: too far? Bis was into that. He was just doing
Speaker 1: what he had to do. And you have the green,
Speaker 1: humble other seats. Let's see what the funk. He never
Speaker 1: talked about nothing, never thought we had to drink everything.
Speaker 1: He acted like nothing. Normal bangs we used. He had
Speaker 1: accurate leg bbs maram treated like a hooptie. I just said,
Speaker 1: let me get that ship. I didn't row that for
Speaker 1: eight days. He's still an actual's car. You'll got a car.
Speaker 1: So let's take it from the beginning. From the beginning.
Speaker 1: Let's just say, allegedly you were doing your thing on
Speaker 1: the streets, right you and Dane, y'all, y'all, people's what
Speaker 1: made you say that, I'm gonna stop what I'm doing
Speaker 1: and just focus on this part of it. That what
Speaker 1: happened is we had a crew, the best out, the
Speaker 1: best out. We got my mind I was in the
Speaker 1: best Out. Yeah, I definitely wasn't, but in my mind
Speaker 1: I was. So that's what it was the best out.
Speaker 1: So Dane left the best Out earlier because Darry and
Speaker 1: Dash brought him into the music business, which is Dane's uncle,
Speaker 1: Dan's cousins staying his brother okay, which it was just
Speaker 1: the dogskin guy with Yeah, so he was managed yea
Speaker 1: brother brother. Yeah. So he was like he was managing
Speaker 1: um Future Sound, which turned in the Original Flavor. He
Speaker 1: started going to school and he said when he went
Speaker 1: to college, he was he brought Damon to manage Original Flavor.
Speaker 1: Damn got to, you know, learn the music business. Like
Speaker 1: that came back to the block. It was like yo,
Speaker 1: right on a hunting for Lens was like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: should all do Rockefellard. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: should put this together. We can do a music company,
Speaker 1: we could do this and that, and started talking about
Speaker 1: all the stuff to Hooker. Yeah. So that next day
Speaker 1: I called him. I was like, yeah, I like what
Speaker 1: you was talking about. And even though you know, me
Speaker 1: and Dame was cool. We became real, real close friends.
Speaker 1: After that, we started spend a lot of time together.
Speaker 1: And after me and Jay I started supporting like on
Speaker 1: the road and of like that, bringing the lifestyle and
Speaker 1: ship and then that's how we came together. But who
Speaker 1: was the guy who actually met Jay first? Uh? Dan
Speaker 1: from Clark Clark. Clark actually was on this on this podcast, okay,
Speaker 1: but also continued so because original Flavor was signed the
Speaker 1: Clark's label, that's the part we never So he was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you should deal with this, dude, Jay, because just dude,
Speaker 1: you know, here in the streets or whatever, and he
Speaker 1: don't want to stop. So the only way that Jay
Speaker 1: took it serious is after meeting Dane. And then when
Speaker 1: Dames seeing him, he noticed he had pay uptowns on
Speaker 1: air Force ones. But but why did take it serious
Speaker 1: after beating him? I mean, you know, and you know
Speaker 1: how Dame is, right, Dame is a motiva. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but he's a genius. Dames a genius.
Speaker 1: He's business minded, he's motivational, he knew the business, so
Speaker 1: it was perfect. He could be the mouthpiece where Jay
Speaker 1: didn't need to be the mouthpiece. So now you guys
Speaker 1: come together right now. According to Big Face Gary, at
Speaker 1: first he wasn't feeling Jay right. He just wasn't talking. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want you to because you're hard nigger and at
Speaker 1: this time, like people really don't know. If you don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean because you know we have people from Wisconsin
Speaker 1: and all type of places. Listen to this ship if
Speaker 1: you don't. Back then in those days, if you was
Speaker 1: some Queens, you stay with people from Queens. If you
Speaker 1: were from Hall, them you stay with people from Hall.
Speaker 1: If you were from Brookley, stay with people from Hall
Speaker 1: Brooklyn's That's why I was important for me to tell
Speaker 1: you the story. When Dames seen him and seeing Jay
Speaker 1: had on paying uptowns, that's when he was like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: this nigga cool Okay, but let me know what looking
Speaker 1: back to Jay. But here's the here's the thing. Did
Speaker 1: y'all know that when the Air Force once came out,
Speaker 1: we all claimed every girl, every girl. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they stayed they stayed up. I don't under I
Speaker 1: think uptown. I just feel like I don't give you
Speaker 1: give me my man. I Willson got I got a
Speaker 1: great personality. I'm not gonna just say anything though, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, okay, some things now, all right. So, so
Speaker 1: you're doing your thing on the streets, Dame comes to
Speaker 1: you and says he has an artist. Right, you haven't
Speaker 1: met him yet. You meet him now. I want to
Speaker 1: describe that first time you ever walked in. I think
Speaker 1: the first time I met Jay was in front of
Speaker 1: uh Quad because they had a session or something like that.
Speaker 1: And then you owe me man money. We go on
Speaker 1: it funked out Thursdays every Thursday. You gotta cut me
Speaker 1: a check. I'm so sorry, so sorry, but that's where
Speaker 1: I met him. That yeah, okay, So describe a situation.
Speaker 1: Now we're just an introduction, like, yo, this is my man.
Speaker 1: This Sinnat and Jay so um. I think at that time,
Speaker 1: I know he was messing with him or managing him
Speaker 1: at the time, but it was just like we were
Speaker 1: just going to hang out. So but I think we
Speaker 1: probably heard the music before that, and I was like
Speaker 1: some of JA early on music, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was like, uh, you know, but it wasn't about me
Speaker 1: wanting to be a part of it and not damn
Speaker 1: used to play for everybody, but you guys were already
Speaker 1: rockefellows like you already fresh out the best, the best,
Speaker 1: and there any other artists you're considering. I'm not even
Speaker 1: in the music. But this is just you meeting him
Speaker 1: for the first meeting. So I've read an interview somewhere
Speaker 1: that it was like the fifth record that you came
Speaker 1: to the studio and then after that he was like,
Speaker 1: I want to be down. No, okay, And I never
Speaker 1: said I wanted to be down. So what happened was
Speaker 1: when I believed in eight though, was when he battled DMX,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, this is so big for the
Speaker 1: drink chat business. This is the so big the drink chat.
Speaker 1: We gotta actually focus everybody. I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: my man red hat, everybody. Come on, everybody focusing on
Speaker 1: this energy. Time, Unlock your energy, unlocking, unlock your energy. Okay,
Speaker 1: So right now, we're in a rough ride of the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Right now, right this is this is a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of rough rides. Right We're not we're in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: We're not in the neighborhood. No, I'm talking about right now,
Speaker 1: right now, right so now the battle. Yeah, I wanna
Speaker 1: we heard we had Dame describe this battle. We had
Speaker 1: no said he wasn't dead. We had we had DMX
Speaker 1: actually battle. Now d m X says he didn't lose
Speaker 1: this battle. We had Earth recently who said we think
Speaker 1: ex lost, but I want you to describe the scene.
Speaker 1: So what happens because d it's you and Dame cool
Speaker 1: with d And what happened was we was in um
Speaker 1: got Jim and my man Steve Mac and d m
Speaker 1: They cut me. I still got personal with the coach,
Speaker 1: all of us, you know what. We used to always
Speaker 1: argue about whatever, anything all the time. So he had
Speaker 1: to haul of knights, who had to Steve Mac Steve
Speaker 1: so Steve Mac knew d and Y, so he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: let's have a battle. Him and Dame got into it
Speaker 1: about music. He like, yo, you dude, just whack this
Speaker 1: and you know, going back and forth. So they set
Speaker 1: up the battle and then we went right after to
Speaker 1: the Bronx to a pool room on it's like on
Speaker 1: a hundred or something now close to Webster, it's like
Speaker 1: one seventy four or something like that. So it was
Speaker 1: the Hall of Knights against Original Flavor. But then they
Speaker 1: had roughness and then they had another God of Rich
Speaker 1: with another dude from Hallan and then he called d
Speaker 1: and why and then they brought d m X and
Speaker 1: then Dan brought JA. So that's that's how that that
Speaker 1: got set up. Describe, describe what happened. They walked in,
Speaker 1: but you don't notice it, right, I'm just saying, you
Speaker 1: live in that life every day, Okay, So you know
Speaker 1: they're going back and forth and everybody else in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Knights is is definitely problem. People don't if
Speaker 1: you if you know about Hall like Hall Nights transformed
Speaker 1: into rough riders. But they say that like a lot
Speaker 1: of like the l o X style came from the
Speaker 1: Hall of Knights. Okay, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: that was a cloud Hall of Night. It was a gang,
Speaker 1: that was a group that was a gang. It was
Speaker 1: from three yeah, Win and um I forgot that were
Speaker 1: doing that. So now they come in and this this
Speaker 1: big icon who was DMX and this big icon who
Speaker 1: was jay Z. But they're not not. But I knew
Speaker 1: DMX prior to that. DMX used to come up town
Speaker 1: a hunting forty and just wrap in the park all day.
Speaker 1: When he used to say k solo took a stop.
Speaker 1: He's still robbing that story. You see DMX like I
Speaker 1: still look, so I still want to standard. So they
Speaker 1: come together. So now what happens because they don't know
Speaker 1: each other, right, No, so it's in the pool hall,
Speaker 1: you said, So I don't remember, like you know what
Speaker 1: happened led up to it. How they arrange who was
Speaker 1: going again too? But damon, I mean j went against
Speaker 1: d m X. They was going back and forth. And
Speaker 1: then the funny thing, Big L was the only one
Speaker 1: recording everything. So that recording that y'all see here all
Speaker 1: came from Big L. But why it was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't incorporated nothing like that. YO, don't tape us.
Speaker 1: So that's why the only footage is on Jake. So
Speaker 1: the thing about it is, we had Earth here, and
Speaker 1: Earth said no, first off, forget us having Earth. We
Speaker 1: had dm MAX here and we asked DMX. We said, Yo,
Speaker 1: who won the battle? DMX said we never, He never
Speaker 1: lost the battle. Then I've seen an interview with Jay.
Speaker 1: Jay said he never lost the battle. But the thing
Speaker 1: about it was, we had just had erv here and
Speaker 1: we asked herv and the Earth said, that's the only
Speaker 1: time I ever heard DMX say I think the people
Speaker 1: thought I lost. He never admitted that you so how
Speaker 1: did you film in your opinion? So that's that's when
Speaker 1: I became a believer with J. Yeah, I was a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the Steve Mac is my man
Speaker 1: and Dame is my man. So I wasn't there favoring nobody.
Speaker 1: It was at that battle when I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this dude, J is nice and he started talking about
Speaker 1: the streets right my money machine and he wasn't speed
Speaker 1: rapping a little bit, but not like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but people reacting to people, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people act was going crazy. But I mean
Speaker 1: both of them. It was like one A and one B.
Speaker 1: But I gave you know me, I gave J the
Speaker 1: not But I'm just saying if somebody said X, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be mad. I'm just saying it was it was
Speaker 1: that close. You know what, I'm drink Honestly, you gotta
Speaker 1: drink something. But drinking no, no, no, here the only
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Speaker 1: this is what I want to get into. This ISO
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I've been in this game
Speaker 1: since nineteen nineties seven, all right, and since I have
Speaker 1: never seen people have more fun, celebrate more life, indulge
Speaker 1: in the culture more than Rockefellow records. Like you guys
Speaker 1: birth people. You guys gave people life. You guys gave
Speaker 1: people jobs, You gave people the blueprint. Like everybody that's
Speaker 1: trying to be independent right now, they're basing it on
Speaker 1: you guys. So what made you guys even want to
Speaker 1: be independent. I think that was just the mindset what happened.
Speaker 1: They got Damon J was trying to get a deal
Speaker 1: before that and kept getting turned down. So that's what
Speaker 1: led them to want to do something. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying themselves so that you know they came to me.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, do you want to you know,
Speaker 1: put this together with us, you know, so you know
Speaker 1: it was all for their country. Refused, so you know
Speaker 1: we put it together. You just I remember something. You
Speaker 1: gotta speak to them. I remember something that was very disrespectful.
Speaker 1: Was drinking every day. Sell the comfort me big drinker,
Speaker 1: big time drinker. One of the best way they did it.
Speaker 1: They one of the best. Almost killed your man, he
Speaker 1: almost killed down Lea was dead back. They went to
Speaker 1: Live Records and Steve Rifkin said, JAYJ is not our
Speaker 1: type of rapper. Steve Rifkin base bat. They said. They said,
Speaker 1: we're tired of this ship. And they went to put
Speaker 1: their own paper up. And see Rifkin, who's laughing that
Speaker 1: before freak because I heard this story. I heard his
Speaker 1: Zach story. Because big face I heard the Zach story.
Speaker 1: Just said, but were you involving that picture? When they
Speaker 1: brought up to Steve Rifkin. I want to Steve, but
Speaker 1: I think at that time when I when we went
Speaker 1: to Steve, we was trying to hire him for promotions.
Speaker 1: So what was what was the attitude to say, we're
Speaker 1: trying to hide him. We're trying to hire calv Louds,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So the attitude to say
Speaker 1: fun everybody was because people didn't just ever take tale
Speaker 1: year to them. So they had those meetings prior and
Speaker 1: then they came to you. And then I don't want
Speaker 1: you to describe because I don't want you to describe
Speaker 1: things that. Yeah, but I'm saying at that time I
Speaker 1: was with them, supporting the videos and everything. So before that,
Speaker 1: obviously we did St. Thomas right, so we went down there.
Speaker 1: You know, Emory brought the island out of Champagne, so
Speaker 1: describe I can't just say that like that. I mean, actually,
Speaker 1: I don't know why he got this into America, but
Speaker 1: what happened. He brought the whole island out of christalland
Speaker 1: don p So that's why we had more in um
Speaker 1: in the video. So we had the boats and all
Speaker 1: that ship. You know, Chris, did you hear what he said,
Speaker 1: before they went to hire Steve and Kevin laws to
Speaker 1: hire them. Okay, first off, in case people don't know
Speaker 1: if you're just tuning in, Kevin Lows is the past
Speaker 1: as the president. Can you guys can't talk about He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: they gave me a paper bag and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I can't take this. I can't spins described that man
Speaker 1: talent be right. Cool, we know we're on the streets.
Speaker 1: We don't get to get into what happened in the streets.
Speaker 1: But when they come to you, you're saying, damon, Jay
Speaker 1: already had this popping, right, they already had this going.
Speaker 1: They came they had the name fell to hok okay.
Speaker 1: So they come to you and they say what He
Speaker 1: was like, yeo, let's do this together because you had
Speaker 1: the business mind we at that time when it was
Speaker 1: hanging together probably every day for like a year and
Speaker 1: a half. So this is in my lifetime is already out.
Speaker 1: I can't get with that. This is probably right. I
Speaker 1: can't after that. Yeah, right after, I can't get with
Speaker 1: that four years old. You got to relax. My lifetime
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, remix in my lifetime, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: one of the most people heard yeah, but the remix,
Speaker 1: you know we did. We came back and did the
Speaker 1: video forge here for the remix. It was right after
Speaker 1: that that we put it together and then the first
Speaker 1: forgot the first song that we don't even remember the
Speaker 1: first song we might have put out. It was right
Speaker 1: after in My Lifetime remix though. Now Biggs, I know
Speaker 1: you personally, like to me and all of my niggas,
Speaker 1: I close my eyes. All of my niggas was like,
Speaker 1: nor we love Biggs right, And this the thing is,
Speaker 1: you've never been industry lives like you've never been, like
Speaker 1: you made all the money in and you were still
Speaker 1: as hood as loved it. How the fund do you
Speaker 1: do that? Like? How do you make all the money
Speaker 1: in the world? Like I remember one time I came
Speaker 1: to a crib and you was hitting me on. I
Speaker 1: didn't even see you, who was just buzzing me and
Speaker 1: your norry you good as we downstairs like you know,
Speaker 1: the bathrooms over He talked to me about to cry.
Speaker 1: Don't cry, don't cry yet. I got some ship. I
Speaker 1: got some ship. No no, no, no, how did you never?
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you, like
Speaker 1: not only that you know, you're invited me to my career,
Speaker 1: Like my my second day I ever had, my wife
Speaker 1: is at your house. Wow, that's crazy. Like I came through,
Speaker 1: I was say a big you don't like no? No,
Speaker 1: he was like, no, your girls don't even want it's cute.
Speaker 1: It's like the business. Big shut me down. He's like,
Speaker 1: you girl, good cookies. But I come to the biggest
Speaker 1: house almost everything. Keep it real. No, there's no pictures
Speaker 1: that it was none of that. But how how do
Speaker 1: you maintain your sanity? Like especially like I not now
Speaker 1: I'm talking about fact. Then you was getting so much money.
Speaker 1: It was so ridiculous. I remember one time y'all just
Speaker 1: told me to come to answer dam for no reason.
Speaker 1: Herijuana are you trying to realize? Sorry, no, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into it. But but but let's let's just maintain
Speaker 1: I think you sa like I've never seen you go
Speaker 1: create coming into the game doing well. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: much that change, you know what I'm saying. So obviously
Speaker 1: it was checks instead, right, So you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the way you got money change, But it wasn't that
Speaker 1: much of a change where you know what I I mean,
Speaker 1: you really had to change who you are? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Now, big face Gaby, how you doing so?
Speaker 1: I'm just living that. I'm good. Are you drinking and
Speaker 1: Susa water? Yeah, let's talk about that pup Daddy story.
Speaker 1: Pup Daddy told you don't drink with the help. He
Speaker 1: disrespected me big time. What was happening with me? Bigs
Speaker 1: dat win l A with all of us. I ain't
Speaker 1: know about the music. I just came out of jail.
Speaker 1: Bigg on them was like I was making swording threetys
Speaker 1: a week. They're living food for shelter. I was hanging
Speaker 1: down no shelter. I was working. I was hanging with
Speaker 1: names six and more the damon for a badly day.
Speaker 1: They said, what do you make a week? I said
Speaker 1: to fifty? They said, okay, fuck the megas. I want
Speaker 1: to pay you any grandy year just to hang with us.
Speaker 1: You learn the business, You're gonna get a lot more money, man,
Speaker 1: I said them niggas. So I had them niggas every
Speaker 1: day to drink and snap. Okay, So now I want
Speaker 1: you to tell me because I listen. You know, I listen.
Speaker 1: It's the rail, It's the race of risk, so bad.
Speaker 1: Listen to it. Official I had missed you, and you
Speaker 1: know I you know I love y'all niggas like robbing.
Speaker 1: Y'all was my stinning family. So what was your first
Speaker 1: memory of jay Z? Come on, you can mix it.
Speaker 1: You can get like my first memory juice of something,
Speaker 1: because just here, yeah, I feel like you were the first.
Speaker 1: My memory of Rocket Feller is like I said, it's
Speaker 1: not I don't know. I'm good mean beings every day,
Speaker 1: Like I said, Bags was ridiculous. We just drink every day,
Speaker 1: called me twelve o'clock. We drink from twelve and afternoon
Speaker 1: to literally the next morning. We didn't stop. Damn music,
Speaker 1: bags and talking about music. We're pushing this range over
Speaker 1: no gas gas on the regular were put us rage
Speaker 1: on his laughing. I bought a brand new bag. My
Speaker 1: ship cut out on me even laughing, like honestly, my biggest,
Speaker 1: my biggest Mammy and Jay honestly to one of the
Speaker 1: ones was one night we always drunk. Bigges ain't for
Speaker 1: drive normal for so I played off a lot, and
Speaker 1: so I gotta do something. Jay parked on the hydrant
Speaker 1: because gesture hunted and she got told, so he didn't know.
Speaker 1: So I got caught out to drive j home, big
Speaker 1: him laugh. I drove him home, so I said, I said, J,
Speaker 1: you hid you? You hide this mom. He said, put
Speaker 1: anything on yo, Nori. I drove him from my block
Speaker 1: to State Street and Brooklyn. That motherfucker hit me with
Speaker 1: so more run. But my face was it was skinny
Speaker 1: like his man. When he see was saying ship, they
Speaker 1: make no sense. I said, this is what the fund
Speaker 1: you're just saying, and this is jay Z jay Z,
Speaker 1: no deal, no nothing. I'm not talking about what he
Speaker 1: had on him. That's it's over. He was jay Z
Speaker 1: MPV with BBS. I thought I had a Maserati bigs
Speaker 1: had a bunch of you know, sorry, but I'm not
Speaker 1: pulling out their biggs half range rovers legends hoop these
Speaker 1: to him and you in what kind of car MPV,
Speaker 1: BB swims? Anybody want to judge this MPV? Was that ship?
Speaker 1: Maybe he was like su Bourbon you. I was doing okay,
Speaker 1: but not like I was in this. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I did my time the streets back then. No one
Speaker 1: did the level of my brothers. But I did okay
Speaker 1: for myself. But anyway, so I drove Jay home. He
Speaker 1: was saying ship that I called Biggs. The next day,
Speaker 1: I said, ja this, Karran, I told you so big,
Speaker 1: that's the bigg that's my biggest donner. He's infested, he's
Speaker 1: down business in the group. I said, big, this motherfucker's
Speaker 1: I told you Gary, Because let me just tell you
Speaker 1: something about Biggs. It's it's so hard to get Biggs
Speaker 1: to get them down with something. He's so laid back
Speaker 1: at Once you get him down with you all the way,
Speaker 1: he'll stop. That's what I knew. Like because listen, Biggs
Speaker 1: always say I never signed the contract everybody to please.
Speaker 1: They were so rich. I was begging them. I was like,
Speaker 1: give you a contract, just like th flattening them out here.
Speaker 1: The contract there, gonna sen it to you Monday. That's how.
Speaker 1: That's how. But but let me just tell you something X.
Speaker 1: I remember, and I'll tell my people this. All the
Speaker 1: time you had an African driver forget his name, to
Speaker 1: my nigger and every two weeks, just out the blue,
Speaker 1: I too, would just show up in my house and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I'll come outside and then Biggers are
Speaker 1: calling me, be like I can smell it from here.
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you talking about like you're smoking haze?
Speaker 1: You hated me smoking, and this is hay Is at
Speaker 1: the time. He's like, motherfucker, look at outside with a
Speaker 1: cookie job full of weed and be like being city
Speaker 1: for you. And I was like, you know, the thing
Speaker 1: about bigs was because because when I say big is
Speaker 1: the best CEO and not start with that story, sometimes
Speaker 1: people think I'm basing it off because you gave me
Speaker 1: weed or you gave me. The thing about it was,
Speaker 1: I would come to you with logical ship and you
Speaker 1: always approved every budget. I just had to come with
Speaker 1: something logical. Thank you. Do you think the black CEO
Speaker 1: it's not existing no more because us of that? Um?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't. I don't think that a
Speaker 1: lot of other CEOs today believe in the artist the
Speaker 1: way we did, you know, because with us, it was
Speaker 1: more relationship. It wasn't just about the business, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We cared about what was going on
Speaker 1: in every artist personal life. If you was going through something,
Speaker 1: if he was going something with your kid, if you
Speaker 1: got through gotten a problem on your block. We had
Speaker 1: to move people, you know what I mean, send him
Speaker 1: out of town, unless it was we was more invested
Speaker 1: than just um from the business standpoint. Yeah, that was official. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now it was there for that. He made a good point.
Speaker 1: I remember when I was working for Rockford things to
Speaker 1: pick on me. I was a mama's boy. I ain't
Speaker 1: wanna leave my mama. I think we lived a man.
Speaker 1: I'm back and for a couple of women living life.
Speaker 1: May see with your mom be you stick with your mom.
Speaker 1: I'm back and forth. I'm i gonna say what he did.
Speaker 1: It must thin't got his way, as I will say
Speaker 1: his name. He cut me a check to get your
Speaker 1: own crib maga one day on me and Dame was
Speaker 1: losing Dame crib and we got in your car. We
Speaker 1: both got a rash that my caddy. Yeah, he eating
Speaker 1: me up a little bit. You don't right, say somebody
Speaker 1: I can take getting You know what you didn't get
Speaker 1: out there, y'all get out good rid about me. I
Speaker 1: didn't pay for myself, y'all. Love was another love with me.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy that we were friends. You know were good.
Speaker 1: But Biggs, man, I'm gonna tell you again. I got
Speaker 1: another story right in the studio, told hook who named
Speaker 1: Rocket Feller drunk as a skunk? They can I live verse?
Speaker 1: Can you get the first right? J? That's my favorite
Speaker 1: record of all time. Sam on the Hook, that's my
Speaker 1: favorite record of ball to bus. Yeah, that's my He
Speaker 1: was drunk as a skunk. Jay on't write big said,
Speaker 1: thank you pissing me off your bath people. Jake write
Speaker 1: up to Jake, j wonte some ship Russians. I don't
Speaker 1: know what Russia. Biggest note this is my rosh can
Speaker 1: I live? Tonk was drunk because I'm saying Jay wrote,
Speaker 1: because you say no Call was Jay's record, but we
Speaker 1: gave to a verse too filthy drunk. Dame couldn't take
Speaker 1: it no more. So he said, you gotta write the verse.
Speaker 1: I can't take this show the more. J wrote some
Speaker 1: ship looked like Russia. You know all right, we don't
Speaker 1: leave our cars. We've bottom as you should. My confederate
Speaker 1: that explode on the set nation in my life base.
Speaker 1: He wrote that verse. I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Tone Tonka's verse tone was so drunk Dame could have
Speaker 1: taken them more. That's when Jay wrote that verse, Man,
Speaker 1: we don't lease. He was like, he's did a six minutes.
Speaker 1: Actually that was my line. What bass gonna saying. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say this, I hate the biggest me Bass got
Speaker 1: a personal friendship. He's a little cocky, but he's right.
Speaker 1: A lot of sheep was written was through Biggs life. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name it Biggest real keep talking about business,
Speaker 1: mind cars because saying no, but I'm that's I'm a mouth.
Speaker 1: That's my man. You're saying it was biggest money that
Speaker 1: started rocking. Everybody know that. I don't know that. I'm that.
Speaker 1: I'm cheating bottles of chamtague. I'm a country club king,
Speaker 1: boles of champagne. I'm chinking bottles of champagne as biggest cream.
Speaker 1: I bluntr ball. I'm walking to the club, Big said,
Speaker 1: Big Favor. We're good here, Buckets, listen, I'm not making
Speaker 1: this up. Bottles this hiding on and make them ships,
Speaker 1: you don't make them Biggest. Sitting there, it's Biggs had
Speaker 1: It's like handcuff bracelets. It was like handcuff. So we're
Speaker 1: laying a little, we're talking shape, drinking, laughing. Literally, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: big what Then Bag said, Big Faith, you don't not
Speaker 1: worry about nothing. We're good. Mic Oh sorry, sorry, we
Speaker 1: ain't not worried about nothing. We're gonna live, Yo, the
Speaker 1: big big country club big bottles of champagne. Oh type
Speaker 1: of ship. It was just ridiculous. But my set, like
Speaker 1: I said that memory when Jay wrote that gibberish, I
Speaker 1: know what the ship was. But that was Tone Booker's
Speaker 1: first man. That's my favor breakerd Javid there all time,
Speaker 1: can I live? I love that record. So now you
Speaker 1: guys are both farther. You meet this guy from Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Right now, you'll believe right now, you'll believe you're you're
Speaker 1: one of the foot soldiers. So so what what what
Speaker 1: makes y'all say let's go full fledh on this whole project?
Speaker 1: What was it was it? Was it a single record?
Speaker 1: Or was it just now? I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: even think we had that many traditionally apologize for traditionally
Speaker 1: back then, if you're from Queen's, you stay with Queen's.
Speaker 1: People from Brooklyn stay with Brooklyn. We will pass out
Speaker 1: of Remember at this time we were already um friends
Speaker 1: for two years, you and Jack. Yeah, okay, continue, yeah,
Speaker 1: So when you know when they said to do it already,
Speaker 1: this is after in my lifetime and the remix. So
Speaker 1: at this time I'm a believer, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So when we put it together, we put that reasonable
Speaker 1: down album together. I'm not sure. I think maybe uh
Speaker 1: coming to age, coming to the age of the oldest
Speaker 1: song on the album, who knows because him and you
Speaker 1: know they did that with Clark prior, all the old
Speaker 1: all those Clark songs and what's the other ship? Uh
Speaker 1: in my life two twos? I mean obviously because he
Speaker 1: used to perform that all the time. And cash Mere thoughts.
Speaker 1: Those are the those are those are the three older
Speaker 1: songs that random what that is was our driver and
Speaker 1: it was our driving the land of Big Big something.
Speaker 1: Put them on. We put rock foot on the place
Speaker 1: of the white limo, and we destroyed Jack the Rapper.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Kenny Burns, Kenny bron We dominated that weekend,
Speaker 1: dominated Jack the Rapper. What big talk about it because
Speaker 1: there's nobody in this podcast I ever talked about Big
Speaker 1: Biggs called the meeting. Now I'm keep drinking all stop
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Speaker 1: it was it was Mrs Southern Big with the rest up.
Speaker 1: We don't have jackets, were gonna look fresh. We were
Speaker 1: bigger on them. In the limo we put rocket had
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Speaker 1: to some part base from I don't know the party.
Speaker 1: Jay was really Jay Rome Hi talk man. We went
Speaker 1: to a party and pass on mind. Ja flipped the
Speaker 1: table over my baby. Remember they flipped the table over. Yo.
Speaker 1: Jay started wrapping and I was like yo. The people
Speaker 1: was like, who is this motherfucker? But the ship was
Speaker 1: so hot, People like, oh what the fuck? You know?
Speaker 1: You do the soul trade line. We all Hall the
Speaker 1: Week dance, so you know it took j nine minutes
Speaker 1: ago through that line. He rapped like he like this yeah,
Speaker 1: through the line. He literally that's how you do it.
Speaker 1: He was so quiet and smooth. We went to Jack
Speaker 1: the Rabbit. We had a ball man and that's when
Speaker 1: I said, big, this is really gonna happened back. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let me let me ask you are both right,
Speaker 1: because both of you are describing, you know, both of
Speaker 1: your own experiences, which is so awesome. Right, but when
Speaker 1: individually did you really know Javis special? Because the thing
Speaker 1: about it is, I don't give a funk. This is
Speaker 1: my nephew right here. I think he's special. Maybe I
Speaker 1: think he's special because he's my nephew. Maybe I think
Speaker 1: he's special because he's special. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: would have to find out years down the line. Right,
Speaker 1: So when was the moment for you guys the battle
Speaker 1: with DMX? Now, du was there? Which one? There was
Speaker 1: only one the Bronx, Yeah, table, Yeah, it's a good thing.
Speaker 1: D from motherfucker bro Riders is there. I'm sorry, big,
Speaker 1: you gotta share them. So described this battle because we
Speaker 1: heard we heard from um uh Dane Earth, We heard
Speaker 1: from herb but Earth said he wasn't there, correct. We
Speaker 1: heard from lee All no le All said he wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Le All wasn't there. Um but we heard from pretty
Speaker 1: much it was. It was a couple of people that
Speaker 1: to tell of the people that talked about this battle.
Speaker 1: So I would love to hear D from Rough Riders
Speaker 1: describe this moment. It was. It was, it was in
Speaker 1: the Bronx of the number it was, it wasn't even
Speaker 1: it was it was in the pool and the Bronx.
Speaker 1: It was Webster like I want so many and one
Speaker 1: of them blocks was cool or guys was good with everybody,
Speaker 1: We're good everything. It was good. So what happened? How
Speaker 1: did they put these two? Like I said, we didn't
Speaker 1: know d and why I said we knew Steve Mac
Speaker 1: and Steve Mac was they? Okay? Mike from my building,
Speaker 1: one of my buildings up on Broadway and Harlem, so
Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't even a battle for X. It
Speaker 1: was a battle for UM. I think it was a
Speaker 1: Hall of Nights and somebody else right the original flavors
Speaker 1: briginal flavors, So it wasn't even supposed to be um. Uh.
Speaker 1: It just happened to exactly. So they was battle when
Speaker 1: and then X was over here, and I guess HOLD
Speaker 1: was over there, and it was better on the two
Speaker 1: other people was better. I don't know who they was battling,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Mack and him have some people battling.
Speaker 1: So they was daring and it wasn't really doing much.
Speaker 1: And then I guess ex got on the table, holding
Speaker 1: on the table. Then we put them both on the
Speaker 1: table and then they started battling from there on the table. First, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so D who won that battle? Yep, that battle You
Speaker 1: really can't say nobody one because they both was good.
Speaker 1: So I gave it like everybody both like when you
Speaker 1: hear it on both sides, people like, it was a
Speaker 1: tough battle. I mean, everybody kind of giving it up.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody like, yo, this was the clearest And if
Speaker 1: anybody on that side say D M X one, you
Speaker 1: ain't mad. If anybody on this side saying J it
Speaker 1: was that close like it was. It was tight, like
Speaker 1: it was a battle where you had to give it
Speaker 1: up for both sides. And plus it was an experience
Speaker 1: for X as well as whole because they both had
Speaker 1: different styles and energy, so they learned off each other.
Speaker 1: So that's what made it the whole world this way,
Speaker 1: an X that way, he was like, oh, shoot, he
Speaker 1: learned something from next hohopeably learned something from them. And
Speaker 1: they both had two unique styles and nobody really wanted
Speaker 1: was just it was like a draw. But we just
Speaker 1: had herb Gotti on right, and it came out tonight.
Speaker 1: What's the nights? They second the second second and Herbs said,
Speaker 1: this is the only battle with DMX felt like he won,
Speaker 1: but he felt like the people chose um Jack. Do
Speaker 1: you think irv's correcting us the statement, I don't think
Speaker 1: nobody chose anybody. It wasn't even like that. It was
Speaker 1: just like it was said that Jay rom and he
Speaker 1: left to that, and that's what made DMX mad at him.
Speaker 1: That's what the Earth said, right, I'm correct, this is
Speaker 1: not my birth. I don't really I don't really know
Speaker 1: who stayed left, but we was there. Somebody got on
Speaker 1: at the end, some dude that was real nice. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that, some guy from the
Speaker 1: crowd or whatever. He jumped on the table, super nice
Speaker 1: and he just like kicked the verse and then that
Speaker 1: was it. Everybody was goingbody remembers him, don't remember it
Speaker 1: was nice. Every time got on, everybody went crazy. Every
Speaker 1: time Jay got on, everybody went crazy. So does at
Speaker 1: any point in this type of battle, is it aggressive?
Speaker 1: It's just lyrics. It's just rhyming. Yeah, just the cruising.
Speaker 1: I think somebody pull out a gun one time, but
Speaker 1: it was a part of the aggressive guns. Guns is
Speaker 1: gonna come out, Okay, you this battle right with the
Speaker 1: Rothers had this battle right now years later. Right, you
Speaker 1: guys are both on depth there, you guys are both
Speaker 1: blacking them artists. And then you guys do this tour.
Speaker 1: What was the name of the talk? Was it the
Speaker 1: hard Life? And it was DMX on there as well,
Speaker 1: and then DMX and I think Hole was sharing the closing.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you would correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: And then it was like reading math from the beginning.
Speaker 1: And then it was like Memphis Bleak and then it's
Speaker 1: the it's the famous ship where um def Jam bought
Speaker 1: somebody a jacket, memp Bleak Bleak and answered my course
Speaker 1: and dropped the Gotti drop. So sorry it was let
Speaker 1: let me just give me. But you guys have this tour.
Speaker 1: This was the first hip hop talk no violence. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sold out shows. I only went to one show. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you guys have been on the block
Speaker 1: drinking basically, okay me, I need I need to describe
Speaker 1: that talk because that tall single handedly was the tall
Speaker 1: that helped set hip hop back. Wasn't the hard night
Speaker 1: life talk, No, it wasn't hard on. What was the
Speaker 1: name of that talk it was? I wasn't the rough Rider.
Speaker 1: It's rough Riders. I think it was again that so
Speaker 1: now let's just stop me if I'm wrong. Deep all
Speaker 1: big it was j d MX and then meth and
Speaker 1: Red prior to that. Yes, it isn't nothing hard enough like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Google because right now, so how's you not googling
Speaker 1: my so deep? How was that? Because y'all? Actually RB,
Speaker 1: we also had Earth. I'm sorry her give us so
Speaker 1: much so Herb said, Lee All played all three of
Speaker 1: the clues, meaning he played murder Inc. He made murder
Speaker 1: Inc Happy for one point. Then he came and married
Speaker 1: Rock and Feller have it was hot, and then he
Speaker 1: came and me rough Riders happy, and then he said,
Speaker 1: this is Erv's exact words. We could actually, he said,
Speaker 1: he played us like a fit to do. I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna do that. I don't know. They all definitely
Speaker 1: make us feel anyway against anybody else. You know, Dame
Speaker 1: would have handled that. How about you know it was good.
Speaker 1: We're always good. We're gonna look at on Earth right now.
Speaker 1: That might have been problem. Definitely not a problem for me.
Speaker 1: Different type of problems. Yea, So it's just a case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't see IRV got the interview. It's on Thursday,
Speaker 1: it's all right now you're talking. You don't know when
Speaker 1: we found this out, but tippy m in case you
Speaker 1: didn't see how they came out already. In case you
Speaker 1: not face Gary, what's up, big face Gary? You were
Speaker 1: the number one soldier of Rocket. Yeah. I love them boys.
Speaker 1: I love traded my life for Round. You still love him?
Speaker 1: Why I have different like? I love that. What was
Speaker 1: your most difficult part of working for Rocket? Full name
Speaker 1: mood swings Man. He was going through a personal shift.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. And be honest, he's
Speaker 1: a snap. I used to hang out rest in his bigges,
Speaker 1: big girls. He got in your car, he got a
Speaker 1: rash No, no, well I don't remember that. But you
Speaker 1: know whatever I had, Well, I was a big big brother,
Speaker 1: was my man. I looked up and put me in
Speaker 1: Harlem and anything. I know, God, God bless. But I
Speaker 1: just people that he should never talk to me crazy.
Speaker 1: Since I started working for him. He named Luca Rossi,
Speaker 1: which is a good thing because caause that means everything
Speaker 1: asked me, but I got done. But then I don't
Speaker 1: know that is personal. It's just I will never know them.
Speaker 1: But they started getting real nasty for no reason. But
Speaker 1: now that I'm forty seven, since ten years of his later,
Speaker 1: I know what it was. It was personal things he
Speaker 1: was going through. But I say this on this Mike,
Speaker 1: I loved you, Dame. You put me on, Biggs putting
Speaker 1: me on, and like, Damn you put me on, Biggs
Speaker 1: put me on. If you'd just told me just going through.
Speaker 1: Oh Jay, I don't even talk about Jake. That's my nigga.
Speaker 1: I love Jack, come on not but what you said
Speaker 1: that he always said to me, I shout a big
Speaker 1: story for me, ja, big Dame ja in a minute.
Speaker 1: You know who knows this story. But Biggs got me
Speaker 1: and I love that. But my point is, I love
Speaker 1: Damon bigg so much. But I love Biggs because Bigges
Speaker 1: brother was my man. And Biggs put me on too,
Speaker 1: and our game talking about and our projects. Then Dame
Speaker 1: put me to the game. But the problem what Dame
Speaker 1: my opinion was, he was going through a lot personally
Speaker 1: because I know he's a coluna. Everything's on him. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love Dame. Some of your pull me
Speaker 1: to the side. I'm going through something there staring yell
Speaker 1: at me and curse me because you first, I don't
Speaker 1: care if you do, but tell me going to that ship.
Speaker 1: But if you don't know that's coming, as a man,
Speaker 1: you feel like it can't be little. You know. Gee,
Speaker 1: I'm fucked up. I'm going through something. This is driving
Speaker 1: me crazy, all right, But nigga let it all out
Speaker 1: on me because I'm with you. Niggas you put me
Speaker 1: on my life change around, fucking with you. I was
Speaker 1: getting meetings games to before grand funking with Damn and
Speaker 1: just twenty minutes I got four grand in my pocket,
Speaker 1: getting way too deep. Let's wait for that now, stop
Speaker 1: not back what I'm saying. My point is, you asked
Speaker 1: me a question. That's a know youn getting me. No,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'll take all that ship. But my
Speaker 1: point was I don't smoke. My fucker's just trying. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But the point I'm trying to make was
Speaker 1: that that was like crazy for me. They changed my
Speaker 1: life around, bummb I have two rapper friends in my life.
Speaker 1: Was my friends? Norbody said, Gary, I don't give a
Speaker 1: funk about rap when it comes to you, you're my friend,
Speaker 1: and Boomby said the same thing. Norby said, Gary, this
Speaker 1: more than rocket Fuller, But you embarrassed me said that, No,
Speaker 1: let me tell yourself. One day he killed me. One
Speaker 1: day that they came to my studio. He couldn't have
Speaker 1: a call. I wasn't involved. Was you know the Yankees
Speaker 1: in the World Series. He was like, yeah, we'll be
Speaker 1: trying to perform, yo, you know right? Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Can make fun of me. Now what you're coming from?
Speaker 1: When I went from going to jail and come home
Speaker 1: and see what we had, you understand my pain? No,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. Those are my brothers. Now. It was a
Speaker 1: beautiful sense of Floyd's and I got a big story. Now,
Speaker 1: don't say nothing. Now they ever say, yo, show you
Speaker 1: would laxat me up. I would win the battles, but
Speaker 1: with speed. That's when Nas came off getting over that.
Speaker 1: It was no, it was jokes, Nas j She was real.
Speaker 1: We goes Jake goes Ja put up a million dollars
Speaker 1: and said, you put up a verse. I put a verse.
Speaker 1: Whoever wind't getting million dollars? No, they can't afford it
Speaker 1: with the speed. That night, Jake literally said, you're big face.
Speaker 1: He did a show for free. I think remember us,
Speaker 1: we don't. He didn't show for free. He did a
Speaker 1: show for free. He's a big face and want you
Speaker 1: to come with me because what's all that? Everybody? Don't
Speaker 1: let nobody take my hat. I heard you say this story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the time, every show we did, it didn't matter,
Speaker 1: he said, only my hat. We did. The show in
Speaker 1: Speed was for free. He said, your big face. He
Speaker 1: texted me we had two ways. I'm silver ships. You're
Speaker 1: good for the game. The game, the game needs you.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that text. Man. But they were taking
Speaker 1: his hat. He made regular Ja's icon. Man, that's what
Speaker 1: it happens. Man, it's a superstar woman. My big is.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is you said all that. It was
Speaker 1: rocking full up. I go from making two fifty I
Speaker 1: was in jail, came home from doing two hundred fifty
Speaker 1: hours a week to making thirty. Granted to hang out
Speaker 1: with them and joking, get snapped on, and we snapped
Speaker 1: back to make a seventy grand week. So if they
Speaker 1: looking big, I get three grand. If they say hello
Speaker 1: with Dame, I get five grand. Why would I love them? No?
Speaker 1: I nobody never said I just knew that. You didn't
Speaker 1: knew uh a life outside of it? That broke down,
Speaker 1: slow down, some sad. Somehow I saw how how how
Speaker 1: bad was it when when Rocket Feller closed, I walked
Speaker 1: in one day, people are Mike, I ain't even known name.
Speaker 1: People crying. Then you're crying for dame. Dame said it's over.
Speaker 1: Question what so you walking walking over a little bit.
Speaker 1: You come in to work, regular work. I'm ready to work,
Speaker 1: getting my money, do what I do. And then people crying.
Speaker 1: You walk in and rest in peace, calling that Dame's
Speaker 1: uncle he died, I said, call my ready crying the
Speaker 1: labels over, Gary, ain't nothing left? And what did you say?
Speaker 1: I was, I was a joker for us, said I left.
Speaker 1: It's over, Gary. Do you don't know I'm going to
Speaker 1: corput ship my niggas got hundreds of millions. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for my fucking sevens. You're telling about d d MG
Speaker 1: that rocket full. Yeah, that's why I just said. I
Speaker 1: just said that. Then I just said that was the last.
Speaker 1: I just said, Dan that musical Bay said that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember walked in the office and I see I said,
Speaker 1: damn Dash music Group. I said that Basie to hear me,
Speaker 1: and I said, it's nothing here. And then I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: people are crying, and I was mean. Dames started arguing,
Speaker 1: didn't want to fight. I want to fight, and it
Speaker 1: was so funny. Beans was there that day being sent
Speaker 1: me the Philly for a week because I want to fight.
Speaker 1: I was so basically, but I also see I came
Speaker 1: to your house. I came to Beanie seagull house, and
Speaker 1: he sick that alligate on you. It was I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get the verse and nord says, even when Nordy says,
Speaker 1: you were doing fun Ja do the right look, you
Speaker 1: had me trying to get the bed segu for Bigamy
Speaker 1: this nigga big Sam, we gotta go to this grid
Speaker 1: and something like Bigamy mess had he had a attack phase.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I don't need to I'm doing with
Speaker 1: the big Hammy mess arized, nunc Rosie, get it done.
Speaker 1: So I'm fighting fighting yo, this mom, Yo, this ship,
Speaker 1: I still got the most ship. Start a little book yo, Yo,
Speaker 1: Universe tonight, I'm feel like you got something person. But
Speaker 1: that's but that's some I love rocket full. I would
Speaker 1: have anything for No. No, we're gonna we're gonna ending
Speaker 1: like that. I got you. I love that. I love that,
Speaker 1: I love that. I've never seen loyal to like, and
Speaker 1: I've never seen loyal to like big Nig. The thing
Speaker 1: about it was I never It's just this is crazy,
Speaker 1: like when we when Shini read let's big Up. I
Speaker 1: even read big Up with Ma Duke to big up
Speaker 1: a vote TV. They hit me and it was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know what I think, Biggs want to do it tonight.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, cool. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I hit you as well, and D from Rough Riders
Speaker 1: is because building Phil Champboo as well. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, when I look at Big Face Gary,
Speaker 1: I look at D from Rough Riders, and I look
Speaker 1: at motherfucking Biggs, I look at them probably the most
Speaker 1: loyal people in the industry really, And when I when
Speaker 1: I say that, I say that with the utmost sincerity
Speaker 1: because it was at one point where if I could
Speaker 1: have came to you and said this artist is doing
Speaker 1: such and such, D would have looked at me and
Speaker 1: so winning was the came of the bigs. The bigs
Speaker 1: would have been like, we're winning. I getn't even came
Speaker 1: to you, this thing, couldn't. He couldn't see any His
Speaker 1: vision was rock are Let me let me say I'm
Speaker 1: working about him. I don't think he's gonna remember any
Speaker 1: of the but you know, I did the streets for
Speaker 1: all y'all in Miami, death jail. I did Rockefeller. Actually
Speaker 1: I got a little confused when we had Jim Jones
Speaker 1: on the pod and I said your name and I
Speaker 1: said aunt live and I got a little confused. But
Speaker 1: I remember now now you're talking right now. I remember
Speaker 1: the conference calls when you would jump on and it
Speaker 1: was just pure passion, like he was just so into
Speaker 1: what he was talking about, and it was it's just
Speaker 1: I'm hearing it all over again right now, and it's
Speaker 1: just the passion was there. It's always been there. Man.
Speaker 1: You got understand man, when you come, I'm not coming
Speaker 1: to us. Had a good parents, I did well for
Speaker 1: myself and from Haiti dB teeth. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: this that I'm coming from the streets. I did some
Speaker 1: time in jail. I came home. Yeah, say that again,
Speaker 1: my fresh one twice, big talking. What you got that
Speaker 1: the top of anywhere? That what I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: Rocket Fudd was kind of crazy. Like I said, all
Speaker 1: I knew, I'm gonna I'm gonna interject for you one second.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say one thing. I was in
Speaker 1: this game. I was getting money, but I did not
Speaker 1: know how to have fun. Meaning I knew how to
Speaker 1: get the money. I knew how to spend it. I
Speaker 1: just didn't know how to have fun. And it was Big.
Speaker 1: I gottaver lack. Let me feel out. I'm big. Look
Speaker 1: at me and be like, this is real ship. This
Speaker 1: is real ship. I'm not even trying to be funny.
Speaker 1: Big just look at me and be like yeah, because
Speaker 1: he knew we was having funk if he was drinking,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know how to display it, like I
Speaker 1: didn't know how to be like like to show the
Speaker 1: world like if it was Instagram back then, I would
Speaker 1: have been finished because my grand would have been trashed.
Speaker 1: And this is real ship. I gotta give it to
Speaker 1: Biggs ending like I gotta be. And they, honestly, they
Speaker 1: came to me and was like, yo, nigga, you're making money.
Speaker 1: Have fun, and they would have first thank you. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay, but y'all was the first two people that
Speaker 1: like you came to me and and and enforced that
Speaker 1: to me. I was like, yo, nigga, you're getting money,
Speaker 1: Smile and have fun. And do what you gotta do
Speaker 1: so and I wouldn't really your artists and that time,
Speaker 1: this is like I was in all your movies. What
Speaker 1: made y'all you said at that time? I'm never signed
Speaker 1: a deal. We canna what I'm saying this big y'all
Speaker 1: would tell other artists from other places how to move
Speaker 1: and how to do that. There was there wasn't other
Speaker 1: than indeed, there wasn't no other people that was doing that.
Speaker 1: Why why why did you even insinuate that? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just how he was. You know, we didn't hate
Speaker 1: on nobody movement and whatever we did, we tried to
Speaker 1: bust down the door to make sure that somebody else
Speaker 1: be able to walk through. So you know what I
Speaker 1: mean when we're flying around, we showed, right, I showed
Speaker 1: everybody around the world under what you were saying. You
Speaker 1: couldn't go to London or southing right, No, I couldn't
Speaker 1: go to London. You'a got me a pass. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of ship. We'll have a little
Speaker 1: good tell us who was so terrible? We ate chicken?
Speaker 1: Remember there was no more chicken the hotel. We yea
Speaker 1: saying the story way too horrid. You know what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: say the story. Say the story. When I don't care
Speaker 1: you want to say it, I'm gonna say how to
Speaker 1: say I'm being Gary, Okay, I know within the food
Speaker 1: hard London was horrible and we ate chicken every day.
Speaker 1: And we were starring one day and we said where
Speaker 1: once the chicken that said, there's no more chicken, but
Speaker 1: everything out that's doing chicken to the hotel. Not tell
Speaker 1: your songs races. This is not how it happened. I
Speaker 1: remember a great member. Anyway, we kept going to Damon,
Speaker 1: Big Scrift. We kept going there getting drunk with London,
Speaker 1: and then we kept going back to the hotel. And
Speaker 1: every time we go back to the hotel was me
Speaker 1: you beans Freeway Midfleet and we ate out all the
Speaker 1: chicken in the hotel. That's what happened. I just missed apartment,
Speaker 1: got theren like my shoes, what are you all slip? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole concert full, but we were dropped. I wasn't
Speaker 1: never stopping on that had a swimming pull in their
Speaker 1: room had a swimming and that's so ridiculous, ridiculous us
Speaker 1: any co London things like oh they had had they
Speaker 1: had they had a swimmer. Yeah, this is crazy. I've
Speaker 1: never seen that black frack. We gotta now they play
Speaker 1: there's no are you serious about the instructor my name?
Speaker 1: And they had a think of that you jump in
Speaker 1: this way. I was like, they had a cheff to say,
Speaker 1: you eat this way. This is that's the booge noticed
Speaker 1: that you ain't no budget. That was the rich side.
Speaker 1: Then me, you got back to the got to what
Speaker 1: we know, but we was getting we had. We appreciated
Speaker 1: big time. We appreciate it. We appreciated. When they came
Speaker 1: out with pastries. I didn't even know what pastries. I
Speaker 1: was like, the chef came out this and it's pastries.
Speaker 1: My mother was all right, listen, I listen to this.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it because I know big want to
Speaker 1: get to it right. This is what happened. Rocket Fella
Speaker 1: and Do Entertainment had a drink drink off. What it was.
Speaker 1: I don't know how this happened. I felt like it
Speaker 1: was together, but they wanted to separate niggas from from
Speaker 1: immediately once it came to drink. Got to break down
Speaker 1: this drink off in the crib. Now, Lazie, I cannot
Speaker 1: shoot on leaz Leazie drank every bottle, but now it's
Speaker 1: no more Vodkas, no more Armadale. Now remember Armadale is gasoline,
Speaker 1: big time. Let's go. It's Armadale. You can light that.
Speaker 1: Shut up and you can fill your gas take off
Speaker 1: with This is the original armadal not the ship. You
Speaker 1: know he got going over. It's not a good but
Speaker 1: so we were battling. There's no more over there and
Speaker 1: my nigga down. Lazie just fall to sleep. But what's
Speaker 1: the battle? How's it? How's the battle? Anything on the table?
Speaker 1: If you shake shot big, we could go, go, go go.
Speaker 1: There's multiple bottles, like different liquors. I'll take bags, so
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't say, do we
Speaker 1: ballot niggaspend on bas moms up with bat. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say that ship, but we battle. I'm hanging
Speaker 1: in there, you know, I have the man up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something to me and Dame. This
Speaker 1: bit me and Dame is big. It's him and Leazie.
Speaker 1: Now Lazie is sitting there. He's good. But then it's
Speaker 1: the last shot. Leazie say it's no more and he's like,
Speaker 1: just no more vodka leaze what is says you're right?
Speaker 1: Then after Walker said, say, let's say you're lazy, I
Speaker 1: smiling and that ain't He'll be like, yo, it's not
Speaker 1: no little hour that basketball. I was like, who in that?
Speaker 1: Ha'm moving? And then I was like, yo, you're sure.
Speaker 1: Your man is like I'm like I look, I'm like
Speaker 1: I know I'm not. And then Lazie over the other
Speaker 1: he just he looked at me and like one of
Speaker 1: the he gave me that you gotta relax, big up
Speaker 1: down least we love you, motherfighth I drink, I'll drink
Speaker 1: biggs Man with dive Ball big week. But now, Rough Riders,
Speaker 1: um Rockefeller, you guys knew each other coming up. Could
Speaker 1: they ever implicate error like you guys had Rough Riders,
Speaker 1: Rocket Feller, even Murder, okay, Randy Aca. Could there ever
Speaker 1: be another error like that? I don't know. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be tough because a lot of everybody's independent. Now. It's
Speaker 1: not like somebody trying to build labels. It's like artists
Speaker 1: is trying to do their own thing themselves, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But with that, I mean everybody. You
Speaker 1: got three crews strong, all selling three, four or five
Speaker 1: million records every single time they come out. That I
Speaker 1: mean that it's hard to replicate that. You don't even
Speaker 1: you don't sell those amount of records anymore. He said
Speaker 1: that too. What guy he said was lee All played
Speaker 1: rough Riders, Rockefeller and Murdered Inc against each other because
Speaker 1: every three months it would be an album that would drop.
Speaker 1: So le All would give love to Rockefeller when Rockefeller
Speaker 1: dropped the album, we didn't. I didn't really nobody really
Speaker 1: care who Leo gave. I mean, it was it's still
Speaker 1: a competition, whether it's in house or not. If DMX
Speaker 1: come out, he's selling four million records, we want to
Speaker 1: come out and sell four or five million records. If
Speaker 1: John come out and selling three million. And mean, it
Speaker 1: ain't even just with them anybody, but it just so happened.
Speaker 1: We know each other, so it's like damn, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like you know, and in the access
Speaker 1: and you know, with that relationship, that's how Swiss. You know,
Speaker 1: we got introduced the Swiss from from them to you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna bringing them in office that day. That
Speaker 1: was I think that was the first Beati producer actually
Speaker 1: with money cash Holesney TV before that because no, because
Speaker 1: me and Dan went to go hear that because Swiss
Speaker 1: had to hook for it to me and Dane. Just
Speaker 1: listening to it over and over and over, we called
Speaker 1: Jay like, yo, you gotta come do this ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Okay, Swiss, stand understand how
Speaker 1: that happened, because Swiss is alright, alright, alright in my mind,
Speaker 1: like mind you this is from my world. I think
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it wasn't alive, wasn't involved. I think
Speaker 1: it's mart and Moore, we'll hit you. And then and
Speaker 1: said we got a guy named It wasn't Swiss at
Speaker 1: this time. It was just your nephew, his nephew. That's
Speaker 1: what we're saying. He's nephew. I'm like, all right, everybody
Speaker 1: like he's the guy to respect, Okay, I'm respecting, Like
Speaker 1: his nephew got beats and he came down and then
Speaker 1: we did band from TV. Right, so Ravitt was actually
Speaker 1: recorded before Stop Dropped, right, Stop Drop came out maybe
Speaker 1: the year it came up the same year, right. But
Speaker 1: then Swiss, just how did you know because he was
Speaker 1: your nephew, how did you know this was the next guy?
Speaker 1: Because you had Dame Greece at the time. Correct, we
Speaker 1: had Greece, we had Pek, had a bunch of producers,
Speaker 1: but he was he was just the youngest. He was.
Speaker 1: He had learned from a lot of things from everybody
Speaker 1: and kind of put it together and came up with
Speaker 1: his own sound because it was at a point where
Speaker 1: he wasn't getting no beats and so we'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna put that back over there, and so we
Speaker 1: keep on working. So with God was his determination. Like
Speaker 1: he used to live with me, So I'm going home.
Speaker 1: He'd be like, no, I'm gonna stay right here. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just stay there. So he had to stay there
Speaker 1: all night and I'll come in. He got fifteen new
Speaker 1: beats every day for all the years straight, basically, and
Speaker 1: then then he figured it out. You had to figure
Speaker 1: it out and find this style. And when you brought
Speaker 1: him to us, he had like a hunt in something
Speaker 1: beats like that. Wasn't heard of a producer to have
Speaker 1: something like that at that time. Guess about bands from
Speaker 1: TV story because they're just here too. Because listen, listen,
Speaker 1: might as well get into I gotta take a piss
Speaker 1: for quick, So listen, I'm gonna be honest. Don't forget
Speaker 1: the talking band from TV. The first beat that wasn't
Speaker 1: the beat that was supposed to be let me take
Speaker 1: you on something this No one let me take Look.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to tell a story why he's right here.
Speaker 1: What happened was NAS was on the War Report out m.
Speaker 1: He was on the record called music Make These thus calm.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that record? That record is not
Speaker 1: a fishal. It's never been clear. It was supposed to
Speaker 1: be on the War Report album. What happened was us
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it never was clear. Colombia, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it never was clear. I don't want to get into
Speaker 1: particulars because I don't really remember what it was that
Speaker 1: for this moment. So Naas and Jungle, pick up Jungle
Speaker 1: and pick up Nas. They had called me and said, Yo,
Speaker 1: we want to pay you back for that. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, bet. They said you were gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: do the Firm album. I had never heard of what
Speaker 1: the firm was. Nobody had never announced that. Foxy Ezy
Speaker 1: they they had never announced this. So when they said
Speaker 1: the Firm, I'm like up. I was like a bunch
Speaker 1: of lawyers is about to do album? And that's how
Speaker 1: I thought. When I heard of the firm, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool. They said, Yo, we're gonna come to Miami.
Speaker 1: I had never been to Miami this time, so I
Speaker 1: can't wait on the Miami. We'll God. So let me
Speaker 1: just make a longest story short. So I actually came
Speaker 1: and it was Nature's session when I landed for the
Speaker 1: firm out and I don't I forget for what reason
Speaker 1: Nature had landed later or something, I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: how I'm leaving came about it. In my opinion. You
Speaker 1: can you can, you can tell me know, so I can't.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm sucking up. When I first landed it,
Speaker 1: Dre had played me the bloody money meat first, so
Speaker 1: I did that, and then you came in. This is
Speaker 1: your session, though, and then you came in and then
Speaker 1: I'm leaving me came on and I did my verse
Speaker 1: and you never you never said why he spitting that
Speaker 1: we he And that's the reason why I banned from TV.
Speaker 1: I was like this, Nick, I don't even you gotta
Speaker 1: speaking to Mike brother. It's a microphone over, yeah, speak
Speaker 1: over the f sre. But but we'll get you later.
Speaker 1: But so what I'm saying was before that we was
Speaker 1: doing band. So I did banned from TV because I
Speaker 1: wanted to pay Nature back for not being a hater,
Speaker 1: for just sitting back and just I know, nobody told
Speaker 1: him I was coming and I came in. I just
Speaker 1: worked and they just never just he cou could have
Speaker 1: been like, I'm firm, this NI is not firm. Give
Speaker 1: him the funk out of here. You never did they
Speaker 1: I respected to this day. I still love you. Have
Speaker 1: my real phone though, just in case you don't know,
Speaker 1: you gotta relax, So listen solo, let me remix it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So there was an original beat, so I
Speaker 1: tried to get him and Swiss gave me the LSB
Speaker 1: and they just said, I don't like I gotta pay
Speaker 1: this guy back. He just let me live the firm out.
Speaker 1: But this is the LSB. I'm looking at this nigger
Speaker 1: like I want to choke you. He's like, I don't
Speaker 1: like that beat, and then then he plays another beat.
Speaker 1: Then he Swiss plays another beat, and then the Swiss
Speaker 1: plays and beat, and then this is the beat that
Speaker 1: where he's supposed to be. It's supposed to be just
Speaker 1: me and nature, and Nature takes two hours, He's like,
Speaker 1: he's writing this ship and then Swiss was Swiss looked
Speaker 1: at Nate. He said, you don't like this speak and
Speaker 1: then they goes and the Swiss players band from TV
Speaker 1: and they wrote his verse in twenty five seconds and
Speaker 1: my live late like and then this is the time
Speaker 1: where you don't tell a person you don't. You just
Speaker 1: be like, yo, it's cool, it's cool. Okay, now I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I had I just follow. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we getting back to brock Fell the rough Riders. Man,
Speaker 1: So your big face gay you enter the game. Mh
Speaker 1: your vision is only rocket f Yes? How did your
Speaker 1: vision develop like that? How did that? Even because I
Speaker 1: didn't even know names? Biggs? How the friend was? And
Speaker 1: I don't want to do no? I said the big friend,
Speaker 1: big name, biggest name, had a friends and all, and
Speaker 1: he Biggs is the boss. Biggs fired him and I
Speaker 1: made some moves based on the like I may stay
Speaker 1: properly my friends. They all liked me, and I just
Speaker 1: started working hard. I don't know how to mix recordsized
Speaker 1: to called bags based taught him everything I know. When
Speaker 1: it comes in, I said, called bagel, Bagel by said
Speaker 1: bags taught me a lot of ship and they said,
Speaker 1: and then we got I just kept working and I said,
Speaker 1: basically not big face is not mixed, right, bag you buggle.
Speaker 1: He was fair though you bucket. It's not right. It's
Speaker 1: that hell of the air. Then he taught me I
Speaker 1: got better and better, and bigg this is your niche
Speaker 1: they like you, so they probably your yo group. Do
Speaker 1: your thing. And then the Biggs left them to me.
Speaker 1: Biggs is to do the front. I do all the
Speaker 1: music studio. It's what do you like? I fixed? And
Speaker 1: then I was it now bis, Now what made you
Speaker 1: guys actually try to make people bosses their self because
Speaker 1: most regulator, especially right now, they get an artist, they're
Speaker 1: hot and they want a three sixty m. You guys
Speaker 1: are actually getting the artist, getting them hot and actually
Speaker 1: making them bosses. Goes back to what I was saying
Speaker 1: opening the doors. But at another thing is when we
Speaker 1: signed out there, we knew we were just gonna sell
Speaker 1: a company in a certain amount of time. So Rockefeller
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna last. Yeah, So you know, most people don't
Speaker 1: know when you get in the business, you you build
Speaker 1: and sell a company. That's where you make you know
Speaker 1: your money at the end of the day. So there's
Speaker 1: always a multiple, right, So whatever you're doing at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, whether it's a five x, three x,
Speaker 1: ten x whatever, each industry has a you know, uh,
Speaker 1: an industry standard. But we knew we was gonna sell
Speaker 1: a company, so it was about making everybody else bosses.
Speaker 1: So after he had gone, they can do their own thing.
Speaker 1: That's incredible now now now right. The thing about it
Speaker 1: was we're here that you guys had the lots. You
Speaker 1: guys had DMX, you guys had even an the same time.
Speaker 1: Eve came later. Correct, yeah, Eve came, But you guys
Speaker 1: the lots and DMX. What made what made y'all see
Speaker 1: that X will be the guy to go more multi? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: What gave you the insight for that? Oh? We gave
Speaker 1: you the insight for that. It was we already knew
Speaker 1: who was to pick up the litter at that point,
Speaker 1: to pick up the er, because we had him already
Speaker 1: years before they even got on, So we already knew
Speaker 1: who was who. It doesn't matter you had a good
Speaker 1: song or you have you thought you was next. I
Speaker 1: knew who he was. So it was pretty easy for
Speaker 1: us because we didn't. We never really got artists and
Speaker 1: didn't know who they were before we put them on,
Speaker 1: so we knew X was to pick. He was the
Speaker 1: main one, period point blank on enderstand, and all the
Speaker 1: artists knew that. Now now because now let let me
Speaker 1: stop you, Renny. I'm gonna get a vote leave Bowie
Speaker 1: because let me stop me there. Because the thing about
Speaker 1: it is the thing you understood. You understand the language
Speaker 1: coming out. So because because the thing about it X,
Speaker 1: it's just not like every encounter I ever have a
Speaker 1: DMX has never ever been industry. I could see this
Speaker 1: thing in fat Burger and then what's something you gotta
Speaker 1: stir it? Platinum? You ask me. I definitely got the
Speaker 1: cigarette for you, but like, so how could you see us?
Speaker 1: Like because we had got he here, right, and Herb
Speaker 1: said like, I'm sorry, I keep referring to Earth because
Speaker 1: it just refers to this interview so much, right, And
Speaker 1: he's saying that he's sorry through a lot jaw. He's
Speaker 1: saying that you don't know this is real ship right
Speaker 1: time he ever run for he had embraces or something.
Speaker 1: How the fun Like listen, mom, dude, I could look
Speaker 1: at certain people and say, yeah, yeah, I can see
Speaker 1: you get money. I can't see you and say you're
Speaker 1: a superstar. I don't have that ability. How the hell
Speaker 1: did you see that? I just knew he was talented,
Speaker 1: because you see, when you dealt with him for years
Speaker 1: before he got on, it was just a matter of
Speaker 1: time for everybody in the world understood. So we was
Speaker 1: all over the place. We was, you know, it was
Speaker 1: in the streets. So we hustled everywhere. We've been everywhere.
Speaker 1: We took him everywhere. Anywhere we had a battle. We
Speaker 1: probably never lost. Like he would battle and go, who
Speaker 1: want to bat? Don't want to be a bunch of
Speaker 1: people in room and you will go, I go, you go,
Speaker 1: I go. You know, he was just good at was crap.
Speaker 1: The next time the deal before the GM dealer dog
Speaker 1: like big beat or something. No, I think it was.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that deal, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: going to be a deal, but he didn't really get it.
Speaker 1: So you want to check the first time I met
Speaker 1: DMX's real ship, Battery studio, I'm olschool. I'm sorry, Battery students.
Speaker 1: I need you looking at it looks like this thing
Speaker 1: is I'm in Battery Students. A dog running in my session.
Speaker 1: Literally a dog jungle. LA's brother kicks the dog, and
Speaker 1: then twenty minutes later this Nidal Max woke to my ship.
Speaker 1: Don't like dogs, you said, what the funding dog told you.
Speaker 1: There's no way, it's only acuing it. The dog told
Speaker 1: you cool. Ever since that's the real ship, I swear
Speaker 1: to go making. I swear to gone. Listen man. But
Speaker 1: on that note to you, gotta shout out to Earth
Speaker 1: because he definitely got an eye for talent. And you
Speaker 1: know what, it ain't going back there. They know he produced.
Speaker 1: That's like ness be yo. Besides, when I'm Trump, I
Speaker 1: didn't know you. I don't know about that. I was
Speaker 1: damn the studio. I said that beat was ridiculous because
Speaker 1: it was our DJ prior to the Monster beat. Moms
Speaker 1: or didn't talk about this on the park and he
Speaker 1: was yeah, I said, hey, mocks djer got he said
Speaker 1: was necessarily hold hold every time week we should drink.
Speaker 1: I don't lie, nigga. We're like every something that made
Speaker 1: sure we would drink and go studio and not in
Speaker 1: my life baby. Basically at that time we would drink
Speaker 1: and go to students every night. Big, We've been a
Speaker 1: whole crew No one cared about nothing. It was snap
Speaker 1: and we have a ball and Jay were wrapped. That
Speaker 1: was it. That was all we did. How different was
Speaker 1: that for y'all because back then Hall and people stayed
Speaker 1: with Hall and people like I know I said that earlier,
Speaker 1: but to see him just like you know, how difficult
Speaker 1: was that to claim that? Because that was y'all crew.
Speaker 1: Now I know one thing. We snap a lot that
Speaker 1: is gonna snap like y'all snap. We used to go
Speaker 1: home basic nothing based to snap fucking athletes. I have
Speaker 1: my days, but based on loose too many battles, but
Speaker 1: I saw one he lost a couple and I loved it. Okay,
Speaker 1: got you bags, we drop other covins. I can see
Speaker 1: somebody and your brother rest of bings ball off got
Speaker 1: based a couple of times after that business that's not
Speaker 1: I'm lost anyway. So all little Biggs this song like
Speaker 1: the snap Biggs used to go to war. Biggs had
Speaker 1: up what day said Virginia seven hour drives? Snapped them
Speaker 1: seven hours straight. You know you can't escape. So I'm
Speaker 1: in the highway, mean I'm jumping out the car. You can't.
Speaker 1: They're one tope face business by one of two battles.
Speaker 1: But my point is Brooklyn is gonna snap. You know,
Speaker 1: first one get money. Don't know about closing boy, whether
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Speaker 1: I got sitting in the podcast. You had the wrango
Speaker 1: boots on a bunch of money, beautiful call killed that.
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I don't. I don't remember he had
Speaker 1: he had a bunch of money with night dolls. We
Speaker 1: snapped on them. Board the bottle to pay white towns
Speaker 1: paying bas TIMPs, you big things the rain. I had
Speaker 1: to add to buy four pair of Tempts because I
Speaker 1: looked at my closet and I said dead, asked me,
Speaker 1: that's not right. I had no temps ship the right
Speaker 1: way to legal way it's used to play dumb b
Speaker 1: I hate you for that, big basic don't matter, basic
Speaker 1: balls stuff BA. Let me let me change something for
Speaker 1: one second. So for one second, right, Um? To me,
Speaker 1: the best time in hip hop was when d from
Speaker 1: Rough Riders was in power. Why Rough Riders is in power? Uh?
Speaker 1: Bigs damn ar Gotti? Uh the black CEO, who of
Speaker 1: course I mean? But you know I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: I'm speaking Paul just CEOs no this. Do you think
Speaker 1: that time will ever come back? Tough to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think that time it's necessary to come back? Um?
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's if it's necessary, because like
Speaker 1: everybody's taking their fate in their own hands. So everything
Speaker 1: that we was trying to teach artists back then to
Speaker 1: be their own boss, now you can actually do it.
Speaker 1: You know, you can record your album in the house
Speaker 1: and a crib, put it out on tune call whatever
Speaker 1: it is. You know, make your own money, build a
Speaker 1: following on social goal perform. You know, can't forget not
Speaker 1: to perform because everybody just think puts some out on
Speaker 1: YouTube or Instagram, and like they're not on the road.
Speaker 1: Get on the road, build up a following. But you
Speaker 1: could do it yourself now. So the blueprint has changed
Speaker 1: a little bit. Technology change the landscape, how about you.
Speaker 1: The game is a little different through because of the technology.
Speaker 1: And you know, everybody could do it theyselves. You know,
Speaker 1: you're training them and you're showing the blueprint. You know,
Speaker 1: you're showing how to do this to that, and then
Speaker 1: everybody be able to do it their own. Like the
Speaker 1: luck everybody being able to get deals, independent deals and
Speaker 1: move forward. So you told them everything, So it's not
Speaker 1: gonna never really be the same like we did it.
Speaker 1: We did it was a little different. They could do
Speaker 1: it themselves now, So what I am amost happy about
Speaker 1: us seeing that the artists are getting money outside of music,
Speaker 1: because that's what we always trying to teach them, Like
Speaker 1: it's other things outside and they don't don't have to
Speaker 1: be music. You use that as a platform to get
Speaker 1: into something else. Question, hold on before you do that.
Speaker 1: But now Rockefeller, right, they expanded out to clothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but when they got to clothing, you were it involved
Speaker 1: in the clothing. Why is that? Well? I was involved
Speaker 1: on a cross marketing of it. So that's why I
Speaker 1: went Dame, went over there to Rocket where I stood
Speaker 1: and I took over Rockefeller. So that's when I was
Speaker 1: doing trying to sign you. You never signed. I know,
Speaker 1: I did Kanye's album and Young Guns album, but so
Speaker 1: you know, while I while he was going down and
Speaker 1: everybody played their part. It was perfect because I was,
Speaker 1: you know, doing all across market and taking the artist
Speaker 1: to perform state property, taking everybody to London, do the
Speaker 1: Rocketway shows in Germany wherever we was going. So it
Speaker 1: was important to do it like that. Okay, nothing, d right.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you because you and Rocketfroller did
Speaker 1: the biggest tour together, correct and I felt like, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, I could be wrong, Like, actually, the biggest
Speaker 1: artist at that moment, you could have did a rough
Speaker 1: Rider talk by yourself. What made you choose to do
Speaker 1: a Rocket Feller rough Rider tour together? Because you would
Speaker 1: the head hounter. You could have said, fuck it, let's
Speaker 1: just do Drag on Eve and but you said you
Speaker 1: chose to do the Rocket Feller Tour. What the what
Speaker 1: made you make the decision? I'm thinking I think we was.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was. I think it was
Speaker 1: probably me and home because I was kind of more
Speaker 1: Me and him had a relationship. Then then we would
Speaker 1: be talking different things, and then we probably came up
Speaker 1: with the concept of doing it together. Plus you know,
Speaker 1: we're all coming from the same place, so it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, why, let's give it a shot, let's go.
Speaker 1: We all high anyway, so we was good. You know,
Speaker 1: he was big, what was big? X was big, So
Speaker 1: it just made sense at that time to do it together.
Speaker 1: You know, it would be bigger. So that's what we did.
Speaker 1: We just we just did it together. Make some noise
Speaker 1: for that. Me personally, I think like as a person
Speaker 1: that's been in the industry, as an artist, and when
Speaker 1: I bought sed Up, I just bossed up with with
Speaker 1: just us. I just feel like we need the black CEO.
Speaker 1: We need these guys. The one thing, the one thing
Speaker 1: about Bigs me working with him directly is I could
Speaker 1: say some bullshit in the in the circle and biggest
Speaker 1: to Black, He'll look and he'll like somewhat agree with
Speaker 1: me and then pull me to the side that you
Speaker 1: know you and we don't have that no more, like
Speaker 1: artists don't really have that. Like artists don't really have
Speaker 1: the you know, I'm gonna sunk with you by the
Speaker 1: see you like the people is around the other, the
Speaker 1: other people that's cutting the checks, and then as soon
Speaker 1: as it's going on, lookstood everything you you would talk
Speaker 1: it like. We don't have that no more. And that's
Speaker 1: the reason why so people can't complain about the lyrics
Speaker 1: or the music. They gotta complain about the people that's
Speaker 1: actually pushing it. I don't know if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: You don't understand what I'm trying to say. Can we
Speaker 1: ever get back to tow with you guys are running
Speaker 1: the old person that's like you guys, But let's say it. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously there's a lot of young artists right,
Speaker 1: like you know little kids today that's getting in the
Speaker 1: game that that may not know it, but do. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of season managers as well that can play
Speaker 1: that role, you know what I mean. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: always have to be the CEO. If you could surround
Speaker 1: yourself with a good team with people that season, you
Speaker 1: ain't gotta really depend on the label. That's what we
Speaker 1: used to tell everybody. Stop depending on the label. Even
Speaker 1: with us, right, we will go to to the artists
Speaker 1: and be like, what do you want to do? What's
Speaker 1: your market and playing? What are you songs? What do
Speaker 1: you like the single to be? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We were trying to always teach. So I mean, like Gino, right,
Speaker 1: like guys like that. You've got people, you know, all
Speaker 1: around people that manage to do stuff that helps the artists.
Speaker 1: I think that they could look for that ums for
Speaker 1: help as well. Maybe it morphs into into people taking
Speaker 1: over the reins of some of these technology companies as well,
Speaker 1: because that's what's kind of running people taking the reins
Speaker 1: of the technology companies, the tech companies that are actually
Speaker 1: really running the industry. So before I use the bathrooms,
Speaker 1: use the bathroom up. I'll be honest, I beholding it's
Speaker 1: the whole time. But listen, it's streaming helping or hurting
Speaker 1: the industry? It is, and question is it helping? Because
Speaker 1: right now, forget on spotting. I got like three hundred
Speaker 1: spins on like one ship right to three hundred friends.
Speaker 1: Back then I'll be two hundred thou away from me
Speaker 1: and go on a single. But then they calculated very different.
Speaker 1: They say three hundred thousand. Oh, they say every fift
Speaker 1: hundred spins streams streams equals one. So it's it's streaming
Speaker 1: helping or hurt in the industry. Truthfully, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't really look at the business of streaming, um,
Speaker 1: so I really can't answer that. How about you, day Oh,
Speaker 1: it probably like me said, you know, we're don't really
Speaker 1: look into it. I'm old school. I don't pay attention
Speaker 1: to that as much. But it's probably definitely going to
Speaker 1: affect the whole business on top of everything. So it's
Speaker 1: never gonna be the same. Like if you keep saying that,
Speaker 1: it's probably never gonna be the same. There's too much technology. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, y'all, I'm taking you go. I'm going to
Speaker 1: your big right now. I'm going. I know you gotta
Speaker 1: cool it. I gotta got what's up. Ready you listen,
Speaker 1: we're back. I hadn't had to take a pigis this
Speaker 1: is how it's going down. But now, Biggs, I want
Speaker 1: to take it back to reasonable doubt class. That's my
Speaker 1: ship right there. I don't love you love folks, that's
Speaker 1: never nothing. I'll do the album ever, ever, every reason.
Speaker 1: When we were together as brothers, every day, every hangout,
Speaker 1: sucker comfort. But Cardy BIG's giving me a thousand jaws
Speaker 1: picking me up to make the twelve o'clock we drinking
Speaker 1: again and again to the next day. Don't do that
Speaker 1: to me, my crossing Chris down give me acause it
Speaker 1: was the biggest bom umber this big time because I
Speaker 1: was nothing. That's what they did on record and you
Speaker 1: said one, yeah, he said, I'm just gonna say like
Speaker 1: one was dead. No, not my doubt. I was like
Speaker 1: down a line of resum album. I do know I
Speaker 1: said that, but I was sending the wrong album. One
Speaker 1: was there, but that's my doubt. You gotta take my
Speaker 1: last I take I'm sorry. I got a hyper I
Speaker 1: love that album. I'm sorry, I'm slip. I love that.
Speaker 1: I definitely asked you get me all. I love. We
Speaker 1: keep drinking, okay, slop slop, listen some things. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: finally believe after he battles d M Man. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: in your opinion, he beat d M Max right, correct,
Speaker 1: And you guys go to record the album or was
Speaker 1: y'all already recorded an altu president? Now he wasn't recording album. Pricice,
Speaker 1: you go record the album? So what what makes you
Speaker 1: continue to believe? I started to hear other songs, so
Speaker 1: n South, Uh the song um that that never came out?
Speaker 1: That was I think that was a song that Clock did.
Speaker 1: It was like two or three other songs that I
Speaker 1: heard that I never heard before that that Clock had done.
Speaker 1: For Jay was talking more like how Jay talked as
Speaker 1: of recent. So that's what it made me to believe.
Speaker 1: I believe. Now, all right, let's get after in my lifetime. Alright,
Speaker 1: let's get to like when you were locked up? Right first,
Speaker 1: of a lot of people don't even know we were
Speaker 1: locked up or what happened. It was a conspiracy. So
Speaker 1: I introduced somebody to somebody and uh in l a
Speaker 1: from New York and they didn't. Even though they didn't
Speaker 1: do a deal, they wanted me to basically talk, so
Speaker 1: I chose not to. Haven't got time for it. Hit,
Speaker 1: of course I don't. I'm talking to you now, I'm talking. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm talking. Relax, Relax, relax and relax. I'm gonna let's
Speaker 1: make a noise him everybody. It's all right, Biggs. This
Speaker 1: is because because let me just let me just as
Speaker 1: an outside of looking at right when I heard when
Speaker 1: I heard Biggs had a charge, but I said, this
Speaker 1: is no way Biggs is something. But yeah, I was
Speaker 1: buying dispensaries in California. That made no sense of legal side.
Speaker 1: I was buying dispensaries in California. This is a little
Speaker 1: tell tell you. Let me tell you on that one.
Speaker 1: What wait what when? When? When you're ready, let me talk. Relax,
Speaker 1: let me take it for Biggs. But okay, you gotta relax,
Speaker 1: big say that against So you was what buying dispensaries?
Speaker 1: He was buying dispense to me California. Yeah, medical dispenses.
Speaker 1: So why so why when this story came out, these
Speaker 1: people actually thought that like you were selling we and
Speaker 1: to me, I know I knew, like I had a
Speaker 1: hundred arguments this thinking bigs ain't pounds, that's what that laughed.
Speaker 1: So they actually found a pound two pounds in my
Speaker 1: house and it was like we got it. So but
Speaker 1: you know how, what's the rumor to like wherever? They
Speaker 1: said you had to leak in your house or something
Speaker 1: like that. And then they guys at my penthouse that
Speaker 1: was years before. Oh okay, rocket in Jersey. I love
Speaker 1: that house. Look you don't got that, no more want
Speaker 1: to you still got you ever seen let's first you
Speaker 1: had the first year, had the first ball I ever
Speaker 1: seen you here this man, you have been there. Fuck
Speaker 1: you relax as you're talking about relax. I'm not the
Speaker 1: groopie that's not on bus my man. I know why.
Speaker 1: I because my friend. I know we lived at good time. Asshole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: big face was locked up. You want to say that
Speaker 1: one more time? So now, what's the best arra in
Speaker 1: hip hop? In your opinion? It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: the arraw that you were in. This the best arra
Speaker 1: hip hop period that's tough, late eighties, probably early nine. Said,
Speaker 1: you're talking about criss Cross era. No Big Daddy, Kane, Arrow,
Speaker 1: kanem D, Kim D Douggy Fresh, after that, after that
Speaker 1: Jen and Juicon at the day, I'm going right into
Speaker 1: Era J nine was chr rass right, slick rag not nice? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: coold you, that's that. What's what's your favorite? Era? D
Speaker 1: right around that area right then all the way up
Speaker 1: until it got to us. Yeah, my favorite as us
Speaker 1: sorry was a hard ye man, this is a great time.
Speaker 1: Chigi has a great time, right hand man Vegs here
Speaker 1: Slime bepposed to have beans and free rade to but
Speaker 1: then what was the inspirational Beans and Beans get to
Speaker 1: the mike means another level man, one of the best
Speaker 1: rappers I've seen them, but he had an alligant about you.
Speaker 1: But you know, Beans is Beans Beans, the street dude
Speaker 1: who did what he wanted to do, but lyrically a monster.
Speaker 1: I never seen nothing like it. Man. I and our
Speaker 1: Biggest Game but the opportunity and our Beans one of
Speaker 1: the biggest jail within the two three million at the beginning,
Speaker 1: the Biggest game and the whole album. But then of
Speaker 1: course at the end, I would left bigg. I would
Speaker 1: have to call bix is my boss. What you want?
Speaker 1: Bass taught me how to mix records, you know, things
Speaker 1: like that. But beans special a big means special rappers,
Speaker 1: especially special Monster. And you said he could have been
Speaker 1: just as big as Jake. You know he was very close.
Speaker 1: Just a lot of jail time. Look disrespect to him.
Speaker 1: Philly is a very bad It's a tough town. If
Speaker 1: you don't hold your own, dude get handed. So he
Speaker 1: does have to held held did what he had to do.
Speaker 1: But basyis that's especial, right, great talent. Like I said
Speaker 1: something to get Peter Crab one second biggest what this album?
Speaker 1: That's what Biggs did. Biggs was smart. He wouldn't hang
Speaker 1: with us bisical to do his work and come to
Speaker 1: the block his niggers and bring every out every we
Speaker 1: did what y'all think. He wouldn't say nothing if we
Speaker 1: like it. Basically, you gotta hit if not and in it.
Speaker 1: But Biggs, but the truth, Biggs, I said, what this
Speaker 1: stick to here? He said this nigga from Philly, don Mike.
Speaker 1: When I heard the truth, I try to light skinned
Speaker 1: man to use ruth fools about you. That was actually
Speaker 1: Kanye's first saying, yeah, we shout the Biggs and fund
Speaker 1: Kanye West till everybody take the truth. Was Kanye's first s. Yeah, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm gonna your show. I gotta do one thing. Babu,
Speaker 1: you gotta be too much at one time. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I hype up, but I'm something. I'm a calm down.
Speaker 1: He said, what you said it again? Which one? Now
Speaker 1: you said that you troof kind of producing but big
Speaker 1: but Beanie wrapped Biggs water to hunting for they say
Speaker 1: on the next one. His crew was at. It was
Speaker 1: all they drinking. BIG's a door record and make sure
Speaker 1: Big how a technique with us. He threw the record
Speaker 1: and come to the hood. We played off like it's
Speaker 1: nothing if we like it, bat it. Biggs paid the truth.
Speaker 1: I turned light skin you. No, I'm not. I'm my
Speaker 1: light still like it's this boat us like ules use
Speaker 1: fools like ules use tools. It was ridiculous, I said,
Speaker 1: big gotter. I said, really gotta and he just kept
Speaker 1: hitting those directords my bigges side of tall. You come
Speaker 1: to the hood with him, man, big, big time, big time. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now I gotta go there. Okay, but we want
Speaker 1: to go. You got to the top of the world.
Speaker 1: Give me some rose. They popping ship. I'm feel the
Speaker 1: good sim in my world. That time you got me here,
Speaker 1: you guys on top of the world. Right before we
Speaker 1: had we had all that talent from Philly. I don't
Speaker 1: know wherever you get he from. I started telling on
Speaker 1: these millions of going in there, but like and then
Speaker 1: you guys, well not you guys. Once this nis right,
Speaker 1: there's nothing my ship right? Old this nis okay, come on,
Speaker 1: so hold this nis right. We shot at ship booth.
Speaker 1: You can't have a shot of champagne. It's doesn't exist
Speaker 1: copy shampagne. Okay, I'm sorry, listen, so hold this, nis right.
Speaker 1: I love you man, my mother? What what? What? What?
Speaker 1: What made y'all say to yourself? Like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: this is what whole want to do. We're backing them.
Speaker 1: Oh did you say this is not us? Like? What
Speaker 1: was your position? I want to take over? Now? I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. I think it was after I heard the
Speaker 1: take over. I don't even think Jay spent the rounds
Speaker 1: to us before, but he just didn't take on his
Speaker 1: own And then and then I heard it. Either it
Speaker 1: was rare, neither was ridiculous. It was rare. So how
Speaker 1: did y'all feel? Let's just be honest. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna scream through. But you know what my seats is,
Speaker 1: oh five, So I love you to death, find me,
Speaker 1: find me when lotus he's still my snuff. I'm just
Speaker 1: doing day al right, man, Jay, Look there's something I
Speaker 1: take that high back of the days. Basically we just
Speaker 1: sit on top of the couch. It's not like on
Speaker 1: top of this is on top. You know, I'm something slim,
Speaker 1: you know when you sit on seats, but on top
Speaker 1: of us. He's like like that not not there, like
Speaker 1: not where Randy's at on top. Yeah, so we're talking.
Speaker 1: That record came out Jayson mc killers nigger. I start laughing,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't killing the guy. Na
Speaker 1: I'm killers, he said, dick sucking lips. You know, men
Speaker 1: don't play that game. Jay hated that verse. He could
Speaker 1: take that verse. Pissed in the funk off man. I said,
Speaker 1: you beat no word about that ship. Come back you
Speaker 1: got you got it. So he's gonna put the record
Speaker 1: out with Ivers said all that ship. I don't care
Speaker 1: about that ship. It wasn't anything the impact we wanted.
Speaker 1: But when he came back that something he took a
Speaker 1: break h over. I got my mojo bad be o
Speaker 1: ad no No, that's just my Nigga's back. I'm a
Speaker 1: big time Jay fan. He struggled through that. My opinion,
Speaker 1: when he came back with that record, he's back. So
Speaker 1: when the ax nas, I got a million in your head,
Speaker 1: you say it first, I say it verse who wouldn't
Speaker 1: get a million? Na said? I still don't remember this.
Speaker 1: He where did this happen? That? It was on the Raguar? Now,
Speaker 1: I was on my point one. Am I making that up? Anybody?
Speaker 1: Thank you? I'm making I'm not making it st up
Speaker 1: More It was a nice point at more teamas he
Speaker 1: put a moon on his head. You say it first,
Speaker 1: I say first. Who ever? Once I got to get
Speaker 1: a million? He said, I can't afford it. Day J
Speaker 1: got deeper. Said no, definitely, he said, in a look
Speaker 1: at if I'm gonna say the happen, he said, anyone
Speaker 1: wasn't putting it up. It's not I'm not making as
Speaker 1: you don't do that now I know I'm not. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. He said, you didn't say you don't
Speaker 1: want to look it up? Saying but he see, like,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you your feelings, not a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Have your feelings. Everybody will have a mining off. Go
Speaker 1: on line to yourself. You say that, but oh, y'all
Speaker 1: not a reality. You're having to be in in cash
Speaker 1: if it's very serious, he said. He turned to the
Speaker 1: fod hold on not at a point one and she
Speaker 1: Mortina said it flesh and said it. I don't make
Speaker 1: a bliese. They he killed me him all. I don't
Speaker 1: get because I don't definitely Okay, well you have. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you, even if he can't afford it, say that,
Speaker 1: I'm okay. Some you know what seves different words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you if I wonder the words he was. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. For the record, I said, destroy
Speaker 1: Jack behind now. I said the Jay was just better
Speaker 1: than Jay. But then when Jay became I manned up.
Speaker 1: So if I'm saying the wrong us, I apologized, but
Speaker 1: I remember it was something about the money wasn't right.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is Jay came back that summer and
Speaker 1: hit that classic regort, h O V. I got my
Speaker 1: mojo back, baby over a no no, I said, he's back.
Speaker 1: I'm the latest Babe James. Friends, I don't like him
Speaker 1: for us. I loved Jack. I love him. I like
Speaker 1: my love everybody. I remember, I haven't respect him my
Speaker 1: first he's all right, like that skinny motherfucker started. Can
Speaker 1: I live where I'm from? This time is my risk?
Speaker 1: I got clock of life. You can't do shit about this.
Speaker 1: That was my man, my man. Nobody said no, no
Speaker 1: Jameson Jason Monson. I see Jake is a monster lyricist man.
Speaker 1: He got a little sense of that last off multiple
Speaker 1: know with his wife the lemon chipball, don't get cheeked
Speaker 1: and fall before. It's my favorite, James. I ain't like
Speaker 1: what I like the beam. I'm about the disadvantage scream
Speaker 1: you didn't like from my love that I was. I'm
Speaker 1: being my asshole because I just felt like it was
Speaker 1: bound out, was just white. I'm a sucker thinker for that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You got it. I'm got it.
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker. It's a great. I'm just being an asshole. Now.
Speaker 1: It's just I'm money, ain't you privately? My house is
Speaker 1: a need me a little morm. You know you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta get some you gotta get more money. If
Speaker 1: you don't like fall for four, that mean you ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't got the slim I got to know. You
Speaker 1: gotta get something then, But but I'm here. You don't
Speaker 1: like Fall full four you get you don't get it.
Speaker 1: It's gotta getting. Family is gonna pick the I'm not station.
Speaker 1: I'm not calling big if. I thank God, it's good good.
Speaker 1: I'm loving this man. I love all I'm but what's
Speaker 1: your favorite ever hip hop? I asked both of them. Damn,
Speaker 1: I'm stay property arrow, you're not. I'm gonna go the
Speaker 1: first time. I'm gonna do not rocket fall. You're gonna laugh.
Speaker 1: It's you, that's all I know. It's rocket fuller all
Speaker 1: for one new good. That's all that's small. I love him, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: great minds and I c e that's my area. Then
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Became a rocket fall for from
Speaker 1: the I don't love from the rocket fall. After that,
Speaker 1: after that, let me tell you something. Sometime Big Face
Speaker 1: Garrank in my studio. Let's just talking to him, like
Speaker 1: my cheeseburgers. He's like, yeah, beans love that too. You
Speaker 1: know what you hit me? You know I'm about some
Speaker 1: fresh rods like bleaking about that. Don't choke me and
Speaker 1: I'll take that. I'm gonna tell you right now, when
Speaker 1: you come home. I've been someone here that don't want me.
Speaker 1: S fresh it up. I called myself when you go
Speaker 1: through a lot, you've been around these guys every day
Speaker 1: and you're just you're making having fun, making good money.
Speaker 1: You're not listen to me. I set up a meeting
Speaker 1: with them. I made five grand. Yeah, and you let
Speaker 1: me just say day. I just had to tell them.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, we scream on screak. Listen.
Speaker 1: It's biggeran rocket. He screak on me. There's a life
Speaker 1: like everything I was talking to him about. I'd be like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, I see you see this chick. She got
Speaker 1: a bad bace front. He was like, yeah, you should
Speaker 1: the same. The sashion is. It's it's sad, but you're hey.
Speaker 1: I love them that much. They let they let me,
Speaker 1: let me diet a little bit, but it's my program. Basically,
Speaker 1: some great people bad. I got no problems. Bags had great,
Speaker 1: great time. I don't told y'all. Bags was driving big calls.
Speaker 1: I had Biggs call for nine weeks. Basically, I said
Speaker 1: I could call, Oh love my call, bigger guy. You
Speaker 1: didn't care about. It's a good dude man. That's a
Speaker 1: good dude man. Be my dough golfice bags were switch
Speaker 1: on the ball makers. You know everybody home nigger track.
Speaker 1: This is my man. But I said one thing though,
Speaker 1: when you got your teeth fixs, you look a lot better, though,
Speaker 1: Ye shout out to my man. Yank up the west side,
Speaker 1: Biggs honestly bigging my man. Biggs taught me a lot
Speaker 1: you're going to meet. This is a boss man. I
Speaker 1: gotta do the problem jay z Ball, Dame boss. I
Speaker 1: got friends, having Biggs of them. Bumba is one of
Speaker 1: my best friends. He calls me, um my man, my man.
Speaker 1: I'm Maori told me one day Gary, you're not my
Speaker 1: You're not a rapper to me and out of a
Speaker 1: and all, you're my friend. So I swear to God
Speaker 1: had some bad experiences. But me and no we real close.
Speaker 1: Me and um my man, my man, bumpies very close, y'all.
Speaker 1: One time I remember Sony Studio, we came to see
Speaker 1: you and you was with Pete Crack and that's when
Speaker 1: me Nori bumped into literally see a little Seeds that
Speaker 1: was working with Junior Mafia. Yes, little see. That's the
Speaker 1: first time he gets got cos the norm and it
Speaker 1: was ill right nor even when the studio with Pete
Speaker 1: Crack and you just you know rich. You know you
Speaker 1: got some Norrison assholes. You know you gotta get fat.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is he shoked. We killed me a
Speaker 1: little bit, all rock Nor we got some new chips.
Speaker 1: We're just struggling in pop right now, just struggling at
Speaker 1: the door right now. And old different man Yang shot
Speaker 1: to my man Yang. The lottis uppold side. We don't
Speaker 1: have the fun Nor I'm loving. When I met you,
Speaker 1: your teeth was like a cat. Touch your like a cat?
Speaker 1: Now ships white your Why don't keep you a pretty one?
Speaker 1: You did? You did the rage side, the ring tone,
Speaker 1: the career was almost old stay treat chats wants you
Speaker 1: back there? He was sad. I got shot that side
Speaker 1: of the big face you miss. Yeah, I'm your side.
Speaker 1: I'm just showing love. I'm I'm yours like big yo.
Speaker 1: I never see what you'll seeing, but I do know
Speaker 1: one thing. We go tone, what's to fix everybody? We
Speaker 1: killed him? Killed him. Nobody came back in the audience
Speaker 1: that you killed him, You killed the game that she
Speaker 1: was so copy shot the video and then then you
Speaker 1: added on on the video moment when you get out
Speaker 1: when you get him no change, but I didn't when
Speaker 1: I didn't like you got so that happened. The round
Speaker 1: said what I did with this reggae THO tell him
Speaker 1: so slipping is big. So we shot the video in
Speaker 1: my hand and he split the video and then the
Speaker 1: shot touch you to added to the video. When they
Speaker 1: getting Norma the rocket fuller chang you did? And where
Speaker 1: is it? Chan happy? Where Chan? He never signed the deal?
Speaker 1: Can we talk about why you never signed the deal? Man?
Speaker 1: You got the check? Never signed? This did not signed?
Speaker 1: You say that was my first platinum change? I got
Speaker 1: their names right, I funked up. Shout out to Aragant
Speaker 1: Jeff Rosenthor. Man, they show was great. Man, that's the
Speaker 1: one you heard me that day when you call me,
Speaker 1: don't do that North with that dumb face. Man, you
Speaker 1: didn't show them slide that day and he loved it.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. They got you. They got I'm talking money.
Speaker 1: I told you the days dropped the good things. When
Speaker 1: that stunt that tell her it was so rich, doesn't doesn't? Where?
Speaker 1: Where's what did pop tell you the other day? Come here?
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about this ship. I'm talking about when
Speaker 1: we using his crib. Right, I gave him the man
Speaker 1: that idea. Me and Jim Jones, we gotta man, we
Speaker 1: gotta be in that idea. Right. So then when I next,
Speaker 1: I didn't say it was so. And then and then
Speaker 1: Pop said, you gotta come to the money couch, right.
Speaker 1: I never knew this a money couch. When I went,
Speaker 1: I sat down, I said, the money couch feels sucking awesome.
Speaker 1: And he said that's it. I forgot my boy money.
Speaker 1: You know, the money got going saying over here for
Speaker 1: something time the subject why are you sign about something?
Speaker 1: I said this it was like it was it was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was we were sitting on the money couch.
Speaker 1: That's what he said. It is. He says sometimes say
Speaker 1: I'm just so rich that it's just hard to That's
Speaker 1: what it is. It's hard to kill. This is the
Speaker 1: reason why I brought this. I want to make this clear.
Speaker 1: I want to make this clear. I wanted to sign
Speaker 1: the Rock. They were my niggas. They invited me to
Speaker 1: every movie they ever did. They invited me, so I
Speaker 1: felt there was something going on, and I was like, fucking.
Speaker 1: I fought with y'all, no problem, damon, Biggs. They never
Speaker 1: sent me a contract, not once. He said, I've never
Speaker 1: signed it. I've never got presented a contract, not one.
Speaker 1: I swear to god. I know you probably ready Randy
Speaker 1: wrote it, already wrote it. Listen, listen. I'm not even
Speaker 1: looking at Randy signal. Listen. It definitely gets sent to me. Like,
Speaker 1: but I was asking, y'all you send me the contract,
Speaker 1: was like, be good. That put the chain on me.
Speaker 1: I was like, good, that was it? And what's y'all?
Speaker 1: Let me hit that? But that error in hip hop
Speaker 1: could never be duplicated? In your opinion? Do you think
Speaker 1: that error hip hop could never be like you know
Speaker 1: d MX? Because again, I'm sorry to keep referring to IRV,
Speaker 1: but IRV is the person that we just had on
Speaker 1: here and he dropped balls. But what he was saying
Speaker 1: was every year it would be rocket Fella dropping the ball,
Speaker 1: did rough riders dropping the ball, and then murdered egg
Speaker 1: dropping the ball? We dropped every year. Do you think
Speaker 1: that can ever be duplicated? I don't care. They just
Speaker 1: can't even happen in today's You think that can't happen
Speaker 1: in this climate right now because the way things changed digitally,
Speaker 1: I know all this has the work ethic to do
Speaker 1: that every year, but it's just the game is different.
Speaker 1: You may think I'm crazy and people putting out the music.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you think you have to work ethic.
Speaker 1: J has base Maker disagree it to me and pick
Speaker 1: up to him crazy. Drake has a work ethic man.
Speaker 1: He puts record out after record after record, but he
Speaker 1: just don't have the swag that people are looking for
Speaker 1: his work. After he went Timberlins with no drawing Drake,
Speaker 1: I said Drake in my friend. No one agreed. Drake
Speaker 1: put out record after record after record, but he would
Speaker 1: think they gotta work out it, So gotta work ethic.
Speaker 1: Y'all can say it's the boy rap the board with
Speaker 1: the boy wrapping board wraps the board. Okay that Biggs.
Speaker 1: Has there ever been an artist that came to you
Speaker 1: that you wanted to sign, you didn't sign, and you
Speaker 1: regret it that I wanted to Probably the uh the
Speaker 1: only one week didn't didn't go through the scar face Wow? Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody relaxed before the Death gamescribing everybody that it was
Speaker 1: whatever are you because it was supposed to be Rocket
Speaker 1: Phone Um the fixed album that was supposed to be
Speaker 1: on Death Jam No, No, that was on de that
Speaker 1: was on Death was before that. I mean we were
Speaker 1: talking to him because you know, we had a relationship.
Speaker 1: Scar faces on almost every we did All Beans album.
Speaker 1: So we're just talking about signing and then uh and
Speaker 1: probably Twister. We never actually signed, yeah, because you know
Speaker 1: Twister was like an honorary rocket feller too, but he
Speaker 1: actually didn't sign. He did, like you yeah, now that well,
Speaker 1: God bless my man. Trial brought me. He brought the album,
Speaker 1: but he was bringing me so much. I'm like, y'all
Speaker 1: taking the hip hop man, I can't listen to no
Speaker 1: more music and hip hop is your brother? Yeah, by
Speaker 1: the way, and he took it to uh, what's up
Speaker 1: a dude? I was managing Nellie um cool lovel and
Speaker 1: then they did it and that was that album. This
Speaker 1: is the second it's the same. This is the second
Speaker 1: episode that fucking Nellie and Cooler Love gets mentioned in
Speaker 1: your Motherfucker's Better Now, D Motherfucker's Better Come here now?
Speaker 1: D Had there ever been an artist I came across
Speaker 1: that table that you're fronted on and you regretted that.
Speaker 1: M M no, I'm not really at that point because
Speaker 1: I have more than enough artists. I gave artists away
Speaker 1: like I maze you have. I had made side the
Speaker 1: lock side of all of them. I was like I
Speaker 1: had to give some way to just to be able
Speaker 1: to get it done. So where you have passed? Yeah,
Speaker 1: missed Wenation. I think he probably went over there. Hold on,
Speaker 1: so you have Mace, Yeah, I mane from Holland, so
Speaker 1: you know anything from haller moving. Yeah, I'm pretty much
Speaker 1: gonna be able to give my hands on it because
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people in the Hall. So
Speaker 1: d we always thought you from the Bronx and you
Speaker 1: from the Bronx at Hall both. I'm from the Bronxon
Speaker 1: halland but you know I was born in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: But I've been in Hall ofm all my life. So
Speaker 1: the bridge, I can walk across the bridge. I'm good
Speaker 1: on the side. So we are all right. So it's
Speaker 1: all like this family, you know. So I've been home
Speaker 1: so much. You know, I'm a Hall of nigga because
Speaker 1: I just like all of nigga, but I'm a Bronx nigga.
Speaker 1: When I gotta get uply Bronx niggers. Mace was actually
Speaker 1: on that president, yeah, that president. Yeah, this is a history,
Speaker 1: j Z. What that sounds like without Ja? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he had to be first and saying he had to be,
Speaker 1: but I didn't like the way he sounds, so we
Speaker 1: took him off and we gave it to Jay. So
Speaker 1: now so now okay, because that's when children in the car,
Speaker 1: remember we had Yeah, there was never a version with
Speaker 1: Mace and Jay. Okay, this is the only one that
Speaker 1: we had. You know, it was way back. Was niggas
Speaker 1: then started something that was just on the mixtape. That's all.
Speaker 1: I don't know right then at that point, niggas then
Speaker 1: started something. Mace all them was on there right there.
Speaker 1: That was that was the sumaking. That's it. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: did history. Just a big face g what's up? You know?
Speaker 1: We love you over here on this side. Want you
Speaker 1: to take a shot drinking. I didn't stop thinking it right,
Speaker 1: I gotta take a shot. I'm having a good years.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that podcast you went to before?
Speaker 1: You know, you got me talk about that later they
Speaker 1: got you My person, My person, I don't stop. I
Speaker 1: can do for eight years. I'm Gary. It's easy for me.
Speaker 1: Damn sure. You gotta do your own podcast. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm educated yeah, you get we got you, We got you,
Speaker 1: we got you, you got me. You want something? I
Speaker 1: forgot this call? Be on? What be on? Be on?
Speaker 1: You want to be on? Energy? Good vibes with you?
Speaker 1: So now big. At some point, you guys made Chris
Speaker 1: Style famous, right, hey, we're going back round there now, Crystal,
Speaker 1: I don't wanna talk about that ship was so expensive
Speaker 1: of the average person in the hood. You guys made
Speaker 1: it famous, and then at some point you guys hold
Speaker 1: away from it. I would like to describe, if you
Speaker 1: can describe the moment of making Cristal famous, in the
Speaker 1: moment of pulling away from it, I think we probably
Speaker 1: started drinking it something like that. Yeah, yeah, but it
Speaker 1: was actually at the Dead President's video. Actually were trying
Speaker 1: in ninety six, were trying to find a new champagne
Speaker 1: so Le Grand Dam and um, we'll start doing vv Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we we found that, but they didn't taste it
Speaker 1: as good, so we kept drinking it. But that was
Speaker 1: back in and the other scovering Crystal, yeah, three or
Speaker 1: four years prior. Okay, yeah, so at ninety six were
Speaker 1: already done with it. And so what happened the moment
Speaker 1: where you felt like when you guys felt like Christal
Speaker 1: was racist. That that was years years later. You know,
Speaker 1: that was trying. I mean we felt other companies was racist.
Speaker 1: That's how we got an Armadale because everything we was
Speaker 1: doing for Belvet there at the time, putting that in
Speaker 1: songs and making that popular, and then we reached out
Speaker 1: the Belvit there to get some cases for a video
Speaker 1: and they said no. So we did another song and
Speaker 1: then we tried to get a deal with them and
Speaker 1: then they said no. So that's why. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: when we did Armadale, and then for that same thing
Speaker 1: with the clothes with Iceberg, and that's why rocketwat started
Speaker 1: so okay, so because he said that very very fast. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you guys tried to get an Iceberg deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we try to first transfer with the hottest clothes line
Speaker 1: at the time. You see a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know that we say Iceberg that people are thinking just whatever, right,
Speaker 1: but no, Iceberg was that way. Iceberg was. It was
Speaker 1: like damn near Gucci right around my way. No, it
Speaker 1: was played out hall talked speakers of the world. So
Speaker 1: so now so you go outs go to Iceberg, say,
Speaker 1: you say, we just want gear or you guys want
Speaker 1: out to get first and try to get some clothes.
Speaker 1: They said no, right, So after making it popular again,
Speaker 1: the same thing like we did with Belvett, and we
Speaker 1: reached out to try to get a deal and they
Speaker 1: didn't want to have nothing to do with it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how rock That's how rockways started, that's how Armadale started.
Speaker 1: That's how the music business start. Every time somebody closed
Speaker 1: the door, your thing makes for that. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: you gotta sweet to the mic. They well, I just
Speaker 1: want to know the dream karean the Korean listen. But
Speaker 1: in hindsight, when when y'all became millionaires or whatever, and
Speaker 1: you mean from the music business for the music business, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll gonna get mad at me. I swear I'm uch
Speaker 1: of dispect clapped you that he said before the music
Speaker 1: business don't getting money. I listen now what I'm but
Speaker 1: I'm saying in hindsight, like you know, when you start
Speaker 1: dealing with big company, because at first you said that
Speaker 1: y'all thought that a lot of people was all these
Speaker 1: companies was on racist and everything about or whatever they
Speaker 1: say that no reaction. So you said that whatever y'all
Speaker 1: didn't think that whatever reason, they y'alls reaching out with them,
Speaker 1: and they wasn't fucking with y'all. And do you think
Speaker 1: and beginning anything like they just shipping on yellow whatever
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I think they ain't dealing with you.
Speaker 1: But when y'all become dealing with bigger companies and everything like,
Speaker 1: do you think that they were just missing formed? But
Speaker 1: why it wasn't doing it? And I can't say. I
Speaker 1: can't say why they didn't want to do it or not.
Speaker 1: But what it did is motivate us to go harder.
Speaker 1: You we just use it as motivation. So it was
Speaker 1: no racist going on. I don't know, you didn't care.
Speaker 1: It was like somebody said racist. This is why I
Speaker 1: really was saying that you can't toge, you know, perform music.
Speaker 1: Hold on one more thing, didn't I wanted to say
Speaker 1: something about for a minute that brother, it's hard to
Speaker 1: find a man that loyal these days. When I how
Speaker 1: I grew up, you grew up. We must you know,
Speaker 1: I'm forty four before the five, so you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it sounds crazy sometimes when the man
Speaker 1: is that loyal, but that's it's hard to find a
Speaker 1: motherfucker like that. And I motherfucking'spect you. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't scared, And let me tell you something Until
Speaker 1: I do, Man, let me tell you something. I used
Speaker 1: to hang out with you like that, and everything I
Speaker 1: spoke to this nigger, I'd be like, yeah, I'm about
Speaker 1: to get up get a hero like yo. You know
Speaker 1: you know we love heron no, no, you get a
Speaker 1: break just the course. I'm not a dick roller. I
Speaker 1: just love them. I love him, if you have that
Speaker 1: making my point. I just loved them because they put
Speaker 1: in a position that the normal person can't get into.
Speaker 1: If they didn't love me, like you know what I
Speaker 1: just saw to that mine I was making seven Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know ship right, Just loyalty, That's what
Speaker 1: he's talking about. I don't know somebody that telling about me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying is that I didn't love.
Speaker 1: That's all I knew. When the wreck with Dad does,
Speaker 1: that's what he's saying. He's saying you, you was loyal
Speaker 1: to one brand and nothing else. And when the first
Speaker 1: person loyalty is too much like that ship but something
Speaker 1: that comes to everything by myself, you did, I come
Speaker 1: to the studio every night by myself, it's the crazy
Speaker 1: somebody liked. I mean, you listen, let me let me
Speaker 1: let me look guys, listen, let me just tell you'll,
Speaker 1: let me just let me just reveal the secret. Young guys. Bleak.
Speaker 1: All these niggas will go make albums and we'll go
Speaker 1: presented to Rockefella and like, Nigga, you made that as
Speaker 1: Sun's suns cript. We're not. We're not paying you for that, right,
Speaker 1: and that was cool. So they somehow bleak put everybody
Speaker 1: on has Studio. So what we're gonna do is we're
Speaker 1: not gonna say it's Nory studio I had because remember
Speaker 1: my studios on Madison happened, So studio what's called? But
Speaker 1: the invoices are called Madison Incorporated. And and he would
Speaker 1: make me throw my way away. He hated Hayes. I
Speaker 1: don't throw my Hayes away. I'm like bags, I have
Speaker 1: to throw it away. He's like, you want some of
Speaker 1: this Raona, But this is all the ree froll the
Speaker 1: artists to do, all the brother artists like yo, if
Speaker 1: I go do my album on my own jay and
Speaker 1: them niggers is never gonna because they know that this
Speaker 1: is But if it wis hood Madison. So I used
Speaker 1: to envoys and I had all keep it real g
Speaker 1: I had every rocket Frollo artists and the boof had
Speaker 1: Biggs had to proven and big bis like Raigs Biggs.
Speaker 1: Biggs new what I was doing. But no, no, no
Speaker 1: bas like one thing. My base based like music. Well
Speaker 1: maybe were Regulus bass based my boss. You understand, Bagges
Speaker 1: was like Bigg like records. He's a proven it no records,
Speaker 1: no music. What did I say, records? Pull on on?
Speaker 1: What did I say? Big? Now, I'm gonna love me?
Speaker 1: Look what did I say? What he said? But really said?
Speaker 1: He on your favorite executive? I see why, Um I
Speaker 1: forgot why he's got bad. Remember remember chill, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna look at you because he approved what all he said.
Speaker 1: He bro he said if he liked it, he approved
Speaker 1: that he give me whatever and give you a chance.
Speaker 1: And you just said the same as act. I just
Speaker 1: told this got the sucker. But I'm just saying with you,
Speaker 1: I'm helping your You like to help me? Is my man.
Speaker 1: I didn't just be big for that little Biggins. He
Speaker 1: was like eighteen pigspen. Since I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: wanna talk about this it's a ridiculous for years. Man,
Speaker 1: that's my friend. Man, it's his big brother, was my mentor,
Speaker 1: and Biggs is my man. You don't have to talk
Speaker 1: about Biggs everything. Biggs houses. I've been everywhere, Bigger, his father, rescipes,
Speaker 1: his mother. I knew everything, my lata babes. I would say,
Speaker 1: eating with Bases talking this is a good dude. Man.
Speaker 1: So I don't like when you're just doing this ship
Speaker 1: like big to somebody like that's my man. Ain't because
Speaker 1: we want to do a little bit. Because business Norman,
Speaker 1: this is my drink's been basically took them sit there.
Speaker 1: I never lacked. I just got said getting there because
Speaker 1: he kept saying, you've been the big house, keep saying
Speaker 1: that I'm doing good. It's all good. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: the bathroom. You listen. Is it that big great shows?
Speaker 1: Is that this? Want everybody to understand, Sorry, let me
Speaker 1: get let me get one second, let me get one second.
Speaker 1: I just want everybody to understand and realize me and
Speaker 1: this guy right here, Eric Fernando. But when we started
Speaker 1: this ship, we sat together and we said to ourselves,
Speaker 1: there's every format for a new artist to come on,
Speaker 1: Like if you're just new and you just you know,
Speaker 1: you had you had one record and you know the um,
Speaker 1: what's that ship called Millie Rock? You know what the
Speaker 1: Millie Rock? You got, you got your platform. You know,
Speaker 1: we respect that. But we sat around and said, where's
Speaker 1: the platform for people who've been in this industry, you know,
Speaker 1: more than five ten years, and where's the platform for
Speaker 1: them to respect them? Correct the event to talk about
Speaker 1: legacy as well, and legacy And this is the reason
Speaker 1: why I'm honored to be sitting in front BIGS, to
Speaker 1: be sitting in front of the to be sitting in
Speaker 1: front of Big Face Gary, and be sitting in Sting
Speaker 1: Ray Sting Rays. Correct? What what? What address? Again? Avenue?
Speaker 1: This is the reason why were The thing about hip
Speaker 1: hop is when you get a certain amount of years
Speaker 1: in hip hop, people want to tell you that's over
Speaker 1: for you. People want to tell you that you're done.
Speaker 1: You guys had a successful uh clothes company and you
Speaker 1: start another successful clothing company and you and Barnes and
Speaker 1: you and North Streams or whatever these people and these
Speaker 1: people want to say. These people want to say, you
Speaker 1: can't do it again. And the thing about it is
Speaker 1: our platform, what we represent is we can live forever
Speaker 1: because hip hop shouldn't have a limit to it. When
Speaker 1: you sit sit around and you look at the Rolling Stones,
Speaker 1: you look at the Rolling Stone magazines, look at the
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones, They're actually still touring. Publication is still actually
Speaker 1: in existence. Why we can't do that with hip hop?
Speaker 1: Why we can't why you know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is why we can't be
Speaker 1: our own like, why we can't we get it. Certain
Speaker 1: people gotta be on you know, reality shows and certain people.
Speaker 1: But we have to lift our people forever and make
Speaker 1: sure that they live forever and make sure that their
Speaker 1: legacy live forever. So that's what Drink Champions is about.
Speaker 1: That's what Drink Champions is about. Saluting d from rough writers.
Speaker 1: You know, bigs Yo, You guys are the epitome of
Speaker 1: CEOs in the time quick time boss in the time
Speaker 1: where CEOs matter, And we may never ever see that
Speaker 1: ever again. We just might not never see that against
Speaker 1: this lord. So if nobody else will big y'all up
Speaker 1: or salute y'all, And I'm sure people salute y'all, big
Speaker 1: y'all up, but I would like to do it on
Speaker 1: camera notified, so I don't know how many. Yeah, that too,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. Seems fun already, you know, Biggs,
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for being so honest with me,
Speaker 1: for so being so truthful with me at the time,
Speaker 1: and even when the breakop was happening, you never lied
Speaker 1: to me. You kept it real me, You kept it.
Speaker 1: You gave me a brief conversation, but it was real you.
Speaker 1: You didn't say you can't be real with me. And
Speaker 1: and think about that is I can only salute you
Speaker 1: for that. I can only bow that all ship then
Speaker 1: might get me a d the same exact thing. Um,
Speaker 1: you guys dominated whatever you had to do, would you ever?
Speaker 1: You guys was dominated. You guys came back and you
Speaker 1: never You never changed on me. If I needed a
Speaker 1: DMX feature, if I needed a locks feature, I needed
Speaker 1: to Jada kiss feature, you always cleared it for me.
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, I missed the error
Speaker 1: when you guys are in the forefront. Not saying you
Speaker 1: guys are not at the forefront now, but what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I missed when you guys was actually in
Speaker 1: the building. Yeah, you know, because now I'm a media guy,
Speaker 1: so now to invite me as a media job. So
Speaker 1: I get invited into the building, but I'm like kind
Speaker 1: of media, like, you know, we got such a such
Speaker 1: shooter what's his name? And they want me to cover
Speaker 1: him and they want me to interview this guy, Like,
Speaker 1: that's not you guys never seen my show. I slute legends,
Speaker 1: slute people that have been here, people that have more
Speaker 1: than ten years or more in this game. Because if
Speaker 1: you don't have more than ten years in this game,
Speaker 1: you you have Hot nuney seven, you have Power one
Speaker 1: on five, you have you have the entire Internet. You
Speaker 1: have to Internet. But to get on this joint you
Speaker 1: have to be ten years or more and be a
Speaker 1: legend trying to pass down the store. No, you don't
Speaker 1: have to be years and years in years. You got
Speaker 1: to be doing. And the thing about it is YouTube
Speaker 1: brothers along Big Face Guy Live some of the most
Speaker 1: craziest errors in hip hop, Like DMX and jay Z
Speaker 1: had to be the two most craziest, most opposites popping
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yes, because s was, I mean,
Speaker 1: to my mind, he's still out of his mind, that's funny.
Speaker 1: I love and then Jay he's the most put together
Speaker 1: person in the world. But money cash holes worked. How
Speaker 1: does that? How does that work? I mean, Jane, you
Speaker 1: know he goes anyway. So it depends on whatever song
Speaker 1: he's getting on. That's what he's gonna be here. He
Speaker 1: was first right by seeing in my life man and
Speaker 1: my big boases. I know Jay, he does a monster.
Speaker 1: He proved it already. You did too much ready, Man,
Speaker 1: he did it already. Man, I can't believe it. Ship
Speaker 1: kind of your seriously, then you've got two grades. Yeah, bus,
Speaker 1: my friend, I'm a bus for years. Bas the journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're laughing. Oh yea joke, Bas, Yeah, slim you.
Speaker 1: So I'm getting friends wrap with your friend. This is
Speaker 1: about thousands. You love me fifty ugly and they love
Speaker 1: me and I love yo. This is crazy man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm super happy. I'm super happy. You made my dad. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing. You threw me off what you
Speaker 1: can kill me all night. I wasn't killing you, kill you.
Speaker 1: I killed you for thirty seconds. It's your I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I killed me for't even spong. I
Speaker 1: got bad jokes, you know, I got I know your animals.
Speaker 1: Rocket fall of this Hero with Joe let me say,
Speaker 1: you want me take some I don't see stuff first,
Speaker 1: dude I've ever seen in the whole industry, like he can't. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm ge. I'm not even trying to be funny. You
Speaker 1: came to my studio one day and everything I said
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, he kept naming the rocket for
Speaker 1: the artist, and I was like, Gee, I'm sorry, Gee,
Speaker 1: I'm not. You're not killing out prom you'rekilling me and
Speaker 1: I can you know this is a life like you
Speaker 1: know you could go home, you know, eat your girl's pussy. Fella. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. If you come from certain things
Speaker 1: you're not used to. I'm I'm trying to go around
Speaker 1: home making semi grand a year. What am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do with guys who I grew up with? This
Speaker 1: motherfucker he's coming to my studio. I'd be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what's going on? You good? But Yo? You know beans
Speaker 1: and I get niggas alone when you come here like this.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill kill me, killing man. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. How much was he never listened
Speaker 1: to me? This is the first time in my whole life.
Speaker 1: I said, that's a that's a that's a that's a
Speaker 1: version of being too loyal, Like he was just too loyal.
Speaker 1: Like what I mean was he couldn't see I'm not
Speaker 1: coming at you you kill you. No, I'm not coming out.
Speaker 1: I just never see nobody I'm bigging you up because ye,
Speaker 1: the loyalty was so crazy. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, gee, you know, a see saw goes
Speaker 1: up and down. You know, we see the up part.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, yo, you gotta you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta come down. And I almost got evicted. I
Speaker 1: have no idea where we're going to be the asshole.
Speaker 1: It's your base, wasn't to bigg has never told me
Speaker 1: no in my life. I don't know where you've been
Speaker 1: a little bit to what I do. Kill me a little,
Speaker 1: get a little back. My point was that there was
Speaker 1: hard times after Rocket for them, Death Music and Folder,
Speaker 1: and then it was Tim was stressed out before that part.
Speaker 1: Way before that, Bigs had a rule basically, get mad,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck, but he will make up. Gee,
Speaker 1: whatever I do for you, don't tell nobody beautiful. It's beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful remember ship still but base, I'm saying it's a
Speaker 1: front base. Use them, you know all. Let me say
Speaker 1: this just to get base a little bit. What's your
Speaker 1: big brother, my man? I love that. Maybe Biggs on
Speaker 1: my love to death when he died, took a chunk
Speaker 1: out of me, boblem when I needed Biggs. He never
Speaker 1: tried this back on me ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever,
Speaker 1: It'd be bullshit money. I'm embarrassed asked for hundred dollars
Speaker 1: because I had a lot of pride for hunted her
Speaker 1: three hundred and your car made Dame Dash breakout. Let's
Speaker 1: just throw that out there. What calls MP about the
Speaker 1: Dame Dash? One time we went in your car and
Speaker 1: Dame Dash said he got hobs. I was just do
Speaker 1: two shots, you kill me? Do two shots shout shout
Speaker 1: the up board side, shout out the haitious sucked by
Speaker 1: some women shot to my mane back to alright. I
Speaker 1: don't even know what car had, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how the MP V man had the DBS. It was
Speaker 1: pop definitely wasn't there. It was like a Chevrolet. Definitely
Speaker 1: was the MP D gays b B. I can't even later,
Speaker 1: but I wrote in the car and I went with
Speaker 1: Dane damn tondy me. Where is an art district I was,
Speaker 1: and then he couldn't sleep. I mean he was just
Speaker 1: like about under the raid tone almost finish your career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Almo broke your house. That's my brothers. Let I'm joking,
Speaker 1: Bumby and Nory the only rappers he said, fun wrap
Speaker 1: we love. He had a big, gass house. I was ridiculous. Listen.
Speaker 1: He was the only thing I used to come on
Speaker 1: doing big just to call me and say, I feel
Speaker 1: like you're smoking hags drive what's his name? Be too
Speaker 1: too to be outside, be to see me for you
Speaker 1: had a big ass cookie job from Biggs while you
Speaker 1: met selling we his money. Funny, why do people think yourself?
Speaker 1: You don't know what people thank you and something? The
Speaker 1: bottom just defend you so much to me only one Listen.
Speaker 1: We went to amsterdamn to get Harold warm landed, and
Speaker 1: he still say let's go get some sour. You don't
Speaker 1: remember that day. They're telling me big some of well.
Speaker 1: I said, big day said you come now. I came
Speaker 1: out of my career. He said, take a trip with me.
Speaker 1: I said, all right, cool. I brought no bags. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right cool. And we didn'tchee the borrow I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold on, type of trip will we take it? But
Speaker 1: Nigga said, well, we're going overseas, said I gotta get
Speaker 1: some clothes. So that's not that's not what we were
Speaker 1: doing over here, Slam, you bought the clothes with me. Lad.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a bowler like that back then. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to do, so I was like, alright, cool,
Speaker 1: I can't really I got so I went. We went
Speaker 1: to Amsterdam. This is when Haro Winna first, like that's
Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard of Herojuanna. I actually
Speaker 1: thought we were smoking heroin, but I just said, I'm
Speaker 1: any way too deep to pull out at this point.
Speaker 1: Fuck it, we're gonna smoke heroin. Yeah, niggas ain't laughing.
Speaker 1: In my mind, like fucking these niggas is mad. This
Speaker 1: is dead. It's not Yeah in my mind, I said, Carojuanna,
Speaker 1: it was so good. It was we don't we don't
Speaker 1: get it that she was and then you came back,
Speaker 1: and then you came back, and then and then then
Speaker 1: like the case happened about two or three years later,
Speaker 1: and people were saying, Biggs with selling but now almost
Speaker 1: almost spoke to like three people and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: explain to people, Bigs, it's really a real smoke that
Speaker 1: Nigga is he ain't doing but this is this is mine,
Speaker 1: So I never actually asked you that. So what happened
Speaker 1: with the case again? Again? One monthime, I'm bother d.
Speaker 1: I introduced to people it was a conspiracy and I
Speaker 1: chose not to tell. That's the short from it's a
Speaker 1: bit stern business. I'm sorry, but we don't take a
Speaker 1: shot of that guy. I'm telling whatever you want me
Speaker 1: to do. Big Big from his brother's camp man, Big Brother,
Speaker 1: Big bab Lau told me everything I know I can discreeze.
Speaker 1: He told me a lot. God bless your soul. Man,
Speaker 1: I knew that wasn't gonna happen. I knew that wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I wasn't gonna happen. Not Bigger Leo, what
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen? Big telling among people who whatever he
Speaker 1: will happen, and that wasn't gonna happen. Big said, give
Speaker 1: me that. But you know BIG's got a big time money,
Speaker 1: so you have to wait for lawyers, biggest promoter as
Speaker 1: much as can, he said, I can't ask me your
Speaker 1: way saying that gonna shill me. So now big, all right,
Speaker 1: let's just look right, okay, let's chet everybody. Everybody please
Speaker 1: give me, give me one second, one second. This is
Speaker 1: this is my time. So now here's the man out
Speaker 1: of question the whole industry that I watched all your
Speaker 1: interviews and they never asked it right when you were
Speaker 1: locked up, right, there was so many rumors, so many things,
Speaker 1: and then you come home. Prior to you coming home,
Speaker 1: Dame had actually did like a publicity run and he
Speaker 1: was quote on how you were mad at people. He
Speaker 1: was like, Biggs is madda Kanye, biggest, madda Jay, biggest
Speaker 1: mad You know why you don't when you get added
Speaker 1: me keep it added, but don't kick So so Dame
Speaker 1: was just he was just running with this right. Well, Dame,
Speaker 1: I actually said, I've seen the interview on Sway. He said,
Speaker 1: Biggs is probably gonna be mad at me for saying
Speaker 1: this because I was coming from him, But I see
Speaker 1: the Brethers Club. He didn't say that, so he did
Speaker 1: afterwards he fixed it. Okay, So why do you think
Speaker 1: Dame took that approach? I'm not sure. I can't. You know,
Speaker 1: Dame is dame, you know, but I didn't feel in
Speaker 1: no way by anybody, all right, So then I'm taking
Speaker 1: it from you coming home. You're coming home. Did anybody
Speaker 1: act funny with you because of those statements? Or no?
Speaker 1: Not at all, because I think the first picture we
Speaker 1: ever seen of you when you came home was in
Speaker 1: Madison school garden, correct with Kanye? Probably? Yeah? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: then like me, I'm fake media now, so the end
Speaker 1: of that, we're crazy s long as your minds. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you could do that when you ready. So did you
Speaker 1: did you? Did you think? Did you? Did you know
Speaker 1: how powerful the internet was it that at that point?
Speaker 1: Definitely you knew it. I wasn't in side Barrier. I
Speaker 1: was in Philadelphia or the Fats. So now you come home,
Speaker 1: you hit this backlash, you hear, you hear what's happening.
Speaker 1: And then the first thing is we hear you say
Speaker 1: you don't got nothing to do with it? Do with that,
Speaker 1: and then you and Jay is in Fairfax and the
Speaker 1: Supreme Block I figet with. Yeah. I called it the
Speaker 1: Supreme Block because the Supreme is right. So they see
Speaker 1: you and there's no dang dash there, and then two
Speaker 1: days later they see me and there did they see
Speaker 1: you and there? Actually you put that together? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Give me the problems. Talk about that, Bigs. What happened
Speaker 1: to him? About Big Ye? What happened you reached out
Speaker 1: to me? He was like, yoe um, hey, damn yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm gonna be honest with you. I
Speaker 1: never said this, and I hope Dame is not mad
Speaker 1: at me. But I looked and I seen you hold together,
Speaker 1: and really you're not told me that. I think prior
Speaker 1: to that it wasn't then, you know, I mean you have.
Speaker 1: I had it, but I spoke on the seeing them,
Speaker 1: so had pictures with J had pictures were day and
Speaker 1: I appreciated it so much because it's just like when
Speaker 1: I see somebody who's with punt Um and now obviously
Speaker 1: punt is not here, I always want to give him
Speaker 1: that same love that if pund was here. So when
Speaker 1: I see Rocket Fellow, it's just I always think of
Speaker 1: y'all three, am I It's the same thing. None changed?
Speaker 1: Am I idiot for thinking that three? Or it's a
Speaker 1: trific that it's all of us. Rockefeller couldn't have ben
Speaker 1: Rocket fell without me, j and Dan Okay, Big Tim,
Speaker 1: So let me actually tell my brothers to this day
Speaker 1: botha god damn. Let's make some days. So now the
Speaker 1: reasonable Doubt album is that owned by you, Dane and Jay.
Speaker 1: I knew that. I knew that. Sorry, Bass, I dispectful.
Speaker 1: I was there for that. I knew what happened to
Speaker 1: that project. Sorr Yo cursed me out. I was there
Speaker 1: for every song day made Babes go Doubt was the
Speaker 1: crew ain't and all that not me? Not Big. They
Speaker 1: got drunk with the student and we did record after
Speaker 1: record after record, all of them names. Yes on the
Speaker 1: West Side, but that's my brothers I remember, so they
Speaker 1: know where I'm from. Yeah, I gotta do what I do, man,
Speaker 1: just want to do. But now it's slum. I gotta
Speaker 1: say that man Big was about stove Emory Tap and
Speaker 1: be talking just your man name to big Time, big time, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: big time, Yes, sir. We hung out every enough boil makers.
Speaker 1: We had to dive ball nights is Amsterdam, which your
Speaker 1: boy making us beard with shots of bourbon. The tap,
Speaker 1: white people, not the tap is twenty hundred. Garret is
Speaker 1: gonna pay this, So let's just get it others way
Speaker 1: top top one spray right, that's that's a fact. I
Speaker 1: don't know to see that. I don't get into that.
Speaker 1: Just get into you go with your ship. I don't
Speaker 1: know about that. I don't know nothing about the men
Speaker 1: of the Biggs. What I don't know about that? Bigs
Speaker 1: on nothing think you we got you to spill? Man,
Speaker 1: what's good spills? I don't care about this great spills.
Speaker 1: I don't love you, and I love you all loves
Speaker 1: and smokes like if you hit one full life, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Now, we're not gonna have to drive home.
Speaker 1: I'm good. I love I gotta drive home. You driving
Speaker 1: ships for Miami? What are you driving? Joy? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna screw This is the we laugh. This is special man,
Speaker 1: you know that's what I were doing. This is the
Speaker 1: best taste something shop in America. Yeah, the most time.
Speaker 1: My goal list, you know, my goal list to be
Speaker 1: the second best show in America. Podcast. You gonna make
Speaker 1: it up because I gotta This is crazy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like half that ship is crazy, right,
Speaker 1: Look a bigs you have a handle a million dollars.
Speaker 1: Bags kissed me on Biggs. They hand the wagon with
Speaker 1: base lovers with a hat a bunch of money played
Speaker 1: in Greek You played the game Great So Big, So Big.
Speaker 1: One of the shows I would like to teach. It's
Speaker 1: called rap class, right, meaning I spent probably like um
Speaker 1: d bigs. Everybody from from seven Tonight two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen, we might have spent seventeen like
Speaker 1: a million dollars in liquor, right ship, So but we
Speaker 1: still don't understand, like people in the hood still don't
Speaker 1: understand like a good bottle or red one that called
Speaker 1: six hundred dollars. So I wanted to teach rap class,
Speaker 1: meaning you know we you you say, I want to
Speaker 1: spend this, but you get this, like I see the
Speaker 1: pictures with about say that, um Steve Stout. You see
Speaker 1: that that photograph or where Steve Stout was coming from
Speaker 1: Italy and and they actually pulled Steve Stout over and
Speaker 1: he was sitting there and he had all these bottles,
Speaker 1: and I had, you know, I got white friends, So
Speaker 1: I had the white friends google every bottle that he had,
Speaker 1: and every bottle that he had was like dirty seven hunted.
Speaker 1: But it was ship that I never heard of, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I want to drink that do you
Speaker 1: think we need wrap class noise, because that's real ship.
Speaker 1: We spend money on the liquor, but we don't understand
Speaker 1: what we're actually buying. It's just like when Hole says,
Speaker 1: stop buying Christal. We didn't understand that he actually um
Speaker 1: applied something for it to be replaceable with Mason's spade
Speaker 1: or drinking something else besides the rock. I said, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. That's what he That's what
Speaker 1: Jay said. He said, I love drink something. Drink when
Speaker 1: it is big, is gonna smoke up from like, Oh no,
Speaker 1: ill is it because you're on your workout ship. You
Speaker 1: just beat parole, correct, probation, probation, Let's make some big.
Speaker 1: Let's okay, so you beat probation, I ain't beat it.
Speaker 1: I got it, he finish. So when it's big is
Speaker 1: coming you this guy right here, his name is Jordan's.
Speaker 1: He's the biggest weed growing in Rhode Islands. Correct undirect
Speaker 1: Because big is about your whole farm. You gotta likes.
Speaker 1: So when this BIG's coming back home to the country,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You don't know. Right now, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to actually just drink wine myself. That's it. That's it, y'all.
Speaker 1: Remember at one point you should come to a crab
Speaker 1: and you used to stop like three weeks after like
Speaker 1: before you go to see the po and then you
Speaker 1: just make cookies. You just used me as you were
Speaker 1: just told like seven ounces one cookie without your hair
Speaker 1: already small word. Just watch me, you know, listen, I
Speaker 1: sweeter guard. I'm not a line. It's so different, man.
Speaker 1: It's my boy. It's the first time I ever smoked
Speaker 1: the volcano. You know what? Little they got seven different
Speaker 1: things and I'm smoking. I'm too hot. What can I do?
Speaker 1: He's like taking another cookie? Yo, I'm missed. I missed.
Speaker 1: He's just kind of like three or four times a week.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I think it was four or
Speaker 1: five yo. Yo. My first date with my wife was
Speaker 1: like a big I'm taking to get something to eat.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to big scrib after that. But you
Speaker 1: feel like a king. Man, feel like a king. How
Speaker 1: did we get back? I don't smoke that ship. I
Speaker 1: don't smoke Williams. You know you know our engineering, Okain,
Speaker 1: don't get mad at what you're doing. Cocaine cocaine has
Speaker 1: don't do it. I only see whom do coke on
Speaker 1: face to that's it nine persons, your artists? How the
Speaker 1: how was it? How was it just you know, um
Speaker 1: dealing with Rocket Feller Because a lot of people they
Speaker 1: think it was just Jaye, right, they think it was
Speaker 1: jay and that's it. But you dealt with with everything
Speaker 1: as a person that there was inside? How was it
Speaker 1: dealing with like people are artists like pe craft, artists
Speaker 1: like a freeway and you know, I mean for me,
Speaker 1: it was it was natural. They just people from the block.
Speaker 1: That's who you know, dealt with every day, so probably
Speaker 1: all the exact way of problems with that. For me,
Speaker 1: it was just natural. That's why they related to me.
Speaker 1: That's why everybody gravitated towards me, because I was just
Speaker 1: like them. That's the fact. What did I tell you?
Speaker 1: I went to biggest to get you. I knew that.
Speaker 1: I went to the your d I love you big,
Speaker 1: I love you big face, Gary, I love you. You
Speaker 1: came at me way more than that, came to your no,
Speaker 1: way bigger than I will ever be in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be when you rock yeah and I picture
Speaker 1: and then we're done. Thank y'all so much for I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest. I'm gonna be these big champagne niggers.
Speaker 1: They did it way before me. I just want to know,
Speaker 1: did you'll ever see him? The rose like that keep
Speaker 1: you never seen just s