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Speaker 2: Congratulations are in order to the Oklahoma City Thunder a

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Speaker 2: game seven. It took, but a game seven got them

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Speaker 2: their first ever NBA Championship. Congratulations to the OKAC Thunder

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Speaker 2: and their fan base on the NBA Finals win. And

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of discussion about what could have

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Speaker 3: Well, they got off to a quick start and that

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that that took place. You could see it

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Speaker 3: The undoing of the Indiana Pacers was the sloppy play

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Speaker 3: the third quarter was to me what the undoing was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, topping Obie got his opportunity to get in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's game completely changed. It felt like the way,

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Speaker 4: That we were going to get one of those.

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Speaker 2: And what's crazy is we're so educated on Achilles injuries

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Speaker 2: But even even seeing his reaction on the floor, you knew,

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Speaker 3: Then you put up something like hey, get up early,

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Speaker 4: I can't die.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's a fertile ground to go on. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you got some straight up weirdos that be following.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're eating good I got somebody under somebody dusted off.

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Speaker 2: An oldie, but a goodie. This weekend they called me

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Speaker 3: How was the freak with the vacans?

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Speaker 4: How was that?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Vegas, Sorry.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to contain myself.

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Speaker 4: We were left out, like they're gonna invite a couple

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Speaker 3: Have you ever smelled an ant?

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Speaker 4: Do you guys ever kill the sugar ants in your

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Speaker 4: Got it.

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Speaker 2: I hate ants, just hate them every time. I because

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Speaker 3: Do you know if you draw lines in front of them,

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I just.

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Speaker 2: Can't stand them. Really bothered me. What about when I

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Speaker 4: I hate him?

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Speaker 2: What about when Ozzy Osbourne was all twazzled out on

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Speaker 4: How's that guy alive? You know what I mean? Like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think his next knees was?

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Speaker 3: Truly be taking all physical challenge for no apparent reason either.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, bar Hello, Jonas Knocks, I mean otherwise known

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Speaker 2: as Drack. I got a I was thinking about you

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Speaker 2: that could be arranged. Don't you come in here telling

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Speaker 2: So all right, So, so I was watching on television

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Speaker 2: And I saw some guy on a punt return get clean.

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Speaker 4: Lit out all the way lit.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't even a thought of it being a penalty.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what people looked for. It wasn't even a

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Speaker 4: Nothing, not even not even.

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00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: The ten highlights you used to see back then. We're

437
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: all big hits.

438
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: I got annihilated, and there was nobody, nobody. It didn't

439
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: even occur to anybody that that could be a possibility.

440
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: Nobody could fathom that that would be a penalty. And

441
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: it was some guy getting wiped out on a punt return,

442
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: not looking Everybody wanted to see it. Yes, people still

443
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: want to see it, if they're being honest. I want

444
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: to see it.

445
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 4: They showed it immediately.

446
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: I want to see dudes getting blown up. Man, we

447
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: don't want to get blown up. Don't get blown up.

448
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: It's Rubbernecker mentality. Yeah, man, you know you like get

449
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 4: rd R. Yeah you got a uh you got yes,

450
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 4: it's true.

451
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: Not rubber neck, ah, but you you uh, you stop

452
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: to look at whatever is happening, and if there's an accident,

453
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: if there's some you know some or I try and

454
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: not watch street fights that come up on the algorithm

455
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: on Instagram or anything like that. I try not to,

456
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: but you almost have to watch it twice. If it's

457
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: a short reel that goes for you know, fifteen seconds,

458
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: I'm good for two of those like that'll lead up

459
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: thirty seconds of my day. And then I realized, well,

460
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: that's going to throw everything off. And you see, those

461
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: are the most viewed clips for the most part. But

462
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: it was funny because we've talked about just what the

463
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: NFL used to be, yeah, and what it is now, and.

464
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 4: I'm watching that play going nobody even considered.

465
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: There were celebrations, There was high fives, guys were guys

466
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: were you know, dapping it up. Not even a thought

467
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: that that was going to be a penalty. Different different

468
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: NFL these days.

469
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: It was a different NFL then and it is a

470
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 3: different one now. But you know, evolution happens. People want

471
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: to be responsible for making the game better, leaving it

472
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: better than what they found it. And I get it.

473
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're making safety more of a priority,

474
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: you know. You know what would be even more interesting

475
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: to me would be to hear the back end conversations

476
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 3: of producers of the of the the football games, the

477
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: the gms, the coaches back then versus those conversations, Now, what.

478
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: Do you think they would add?

479
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: Oh? Bruh oh. I think it would be And and

480
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: you know what's crazy it I'll say this, It would

481
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: probably be the same way as a microcosm. You know,

482
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: football is a microcosm of the entire hole of our society.

483
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: I guarantee you it would be glaring in comparison, just

484
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: like normal people of today versus normal people from that

485
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: era of time. The conversations behind closed doors would be wild,

486
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: just what.

487
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: They were, what they would allow in a game.

488
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: With what you didn't think about, what was normal, what

489
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: was commonplace. I feel like you're made to think more

490
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: now than you ever have. And while I say thinking

491
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: is a is a wonderful thing, it isn't for everybody.

492
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: Thinking is not for everybody, you know, So it would

493
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: be it would just be interesting if some of the

494
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: people back in those days had to fit into these days,

495
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: and even more interesting people of these days trying to

496
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: fit back in those days. Like can you imagine kids

497
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: really don't even go outside anymore? Bro, Like we I

498
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: would not allow my kid outside and I live in

499
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: a dope community. Wouldn't allow her outside if she's not

500
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 3: if she's not monitored or inside of the gate. Oh yeah,

501
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: she's not going outside.

502
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: We were going from Burrow to Burrow.

503
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: We get on me and my brother, we get on

504
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: our bikes or catch the bus, and I mean we're

505
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: like what eleven what.

506
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 4: Do they call lock key kids or latch key latch

507
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: key kids?

508
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we weren't. We weren't really latch key kids.

509
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: We just kids just moved around back then. Like it

510
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: wasn't just sitting on a device. It wasn't sitting on

511
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: your cell phone. It wasn't like you were. Life was different.

512
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: Man.

513
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 7: Uh.

514
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: When I take my son out because he loves baseball

515
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: and we go, literally go every day, and he's four

516
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: years old, I I've never and I mean never seen

517
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: anybody at the park when we arrived to play baseball

518
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: that we've got to like wait for them to finish

519
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: in order for us. Brobody's there. We had and it's summertime.

520
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: It's all throughout the year, nobody's there.

521
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: Ever, we had street games all the time. Baseball it

522
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: was woofleball, woofleball, street hockey.

523
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: You could you could join a pickup game, like, hey,

524
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 4: you guys need to play.

525
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: We used to play smear the rhymes with smear or

526
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: free for all, Free, free for all. Yeah, but the

527
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: first one was the name smear the Okay, so we

528
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: said different time, different time. I'm just saying that now.

529
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: Oh shah, they're.

530
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: Coming to get you. They coming. What you mean, We're

531
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: just gonna play this game. Dif heard worse?

532
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: Oh daily, Oh yeah, it's it's it is wild man.

533
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: You get out there and nobody's there.

534
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: It's just it's just so it's just this day and age,

535
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: it's just so different.

536
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: Like it's just so different. Do you realize that gym

537
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: class back in the day was it was modern. It

538
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: was it was patterned and modeled after basic training because

539
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: they were basically preparing kids to be able to go

540
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: to basic training. Like your gym class. Physical education was

541
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 3: for you literally to be getting your body in shape

542
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: and getting it acclimated to being able to do the

543
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: things that you would do if you had to go

544
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: to the military.

545
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: Wasn't there the presidential fitness stuff that you were to

546
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 4: test for it that was like nationwide. Yes, yeah, everyone

547
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: had to like you had to be able to pass it.

548
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: Now now, and this is the wildest thing I've ever heard.

549
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: If I remember that, this is the wildest thing I've

550
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: ever heard. You used to have to be able to

551
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: run the mouth. It was required chins and pull up yest.

552
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: I remember that, all right, But it's great. But here's

553
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: what's crazy. Here's what's crazy.

554
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: And like, like, these kids should be ashamed of themselves.

555
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie, like you should be yourself. The

556
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: only guaranteed A that I knew I was going to

557
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: get in school, which Jim I knew. Jim, I count

558
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: that as an A.

559
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: People are failing gym class must be nice. I had

560
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 4: to go on the gas to get a be minus.

561
00:32:51,160 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: People are failing gym class. How okay? And when you're

562
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: able to explain that one to me, then we'll maybe

563
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: starting down the road of some of the things that

564
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: need to change in today's society. I believe progression is great.

565
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: I believe evolving is great. But some things you just can't.

566
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: You just really can't lose the essence of what some

567
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: of these things represent. And I tell you what missing

568
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: out like not getting Everyone should get an A in

569
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: gym class. I don't care how athletic you are. It's

570
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: just the effort. People are failing. Jim, that's crazy.

571
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

572
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're great on an iPad though, you know

573
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, they're great. And by the way,

574
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: you can make gym class pass. You make the time

575
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: pass very easily. Just listen to us on the iHeartRadio app.

576
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: There you go, like, listen to the podcast. There's always

577
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: a way out here. I mean, gone are the good

578
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: old days when you could just call people out for

579
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: their laziness.

580
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: Oh don't you You could stay firing.

581
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: He'd be fired, suspend it on leave, and then fire

582
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: slovenly sloppy boy. Imagine you told a kid, well, go

583
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: ahead and jump, go ahead and jump, let's go.

584
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: I just you know, I don't know, man. Anyway, I

585
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: don't know how we got on that tangent because we

586
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: were talking about football highlights, and I saw a football

587
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 3: highlight of a guy getting blown up on kickoff as well. Ironically, coincidentally,

588
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: I don't know these phones and these TVs like are

589
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: studying our brain waves and all this stuff, because on

590
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: God the minute, I think is something that ass pops

591
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 3: up on my social media. I don't know how that works.

592
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: I don't know why that is, but I saw that

593
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: as well. I saw a kickoff the other day and

594
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 3: I posted it. I was like, imagine this was football,

595
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: you know, and it's just times have really changed, man,

596
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: Like I would say, in some instances, some cases, really

597
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: the only true football that you really watch anymore in

598
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: terms of the physicality of it is between linemen. Like

599
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: that's really it. And that's even that. I mean, you

600
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: gotta think when I was playing ball, and it was

601
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: way worse, like Deacon Jones and all of them. You

602
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: go back to them days with mel Blunt and all

603
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 3: of them. They were close lining people, they were head

604
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: slapping people. Deacon Jones was giving a dude concussions every

605
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: single play because he come off the ball and just

606
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: slap them in their air hole. That's why he was

607
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: getting all them sacks. People don't realize that. But when

608
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: Deeke came off the ball, he slap you in the

609
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: head right here, right your air hole, and and and

610
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: that was how he got around.

611
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 4: He was power slapped before power slid dudes.

612
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: Dudes, Yes, it's like straight power slapping dudes didn't have

613
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: to have the ball for you to close line them.

614
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 2: So dudes like Mail Blunt and and uh night Train

615
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: Lane and and and you know, uh Lester from from

616
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: the Raiders, they used to run around just close lineing dudes.

617
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: Oh it wasn't wasn't his nickname Lester than Yeah's I

618
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: didn't use it though.

619
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know because of the way he can't

620
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: but think about it. You can't even say that. You

621
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: can't even say what the tank tops are anymore. And

622
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: I always thought that I never even thought two seconds

623
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: about it saying it, and you just never thought about it.

624
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: And you can't even say it. You gotta say tank top?

625
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: What do you mean? Wife Beater can't believe you just said,

626
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: do we have.

627
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: To dump that? Is that a dumba bull offense. I'm

628
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: sure there's some people out there that still say it.

629
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: Probably I remember a word we used to use in

630
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: the in the playground when we were younger in grade school.

631
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what I honestly believe you could

632
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 3: like get a citation for saying it now as easy

633
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: as that that word rolled off the tongue. And I

634
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: ain't talking about the N word. I'm talking about the

635
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: F work and people used to say it and not

636
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 3: the one that ends with K is with a T,

637
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: and people used to say it. And and it's what's

638
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: crazy to me is how in today's culture and society,

639
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: how there's been such strong lines drawn and connected to

640
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: certain words where it didn't even like when we used

641
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: to say we didn't say it because of that. We

642
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: said it because it was funny, Like it was funny

643
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: to call somebody that, like you call people names like oh,

644
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: don't be mean.

645
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 4: At school, like all right.

646
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: You start to learn social cues, you start to learn

647
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: how to communicate and do things and whatever. But it

648
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 3: was like it just seemed like just like football, man,

649
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: it was just it just seemed better. It just seemed

650
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: better back then. And maybe that's what everybody says because

651
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 3: that's your experience growing up. But honestly, like I can't

652
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: sit there and look at some of these correlations, like

653
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: our as soft as hell at this.

654
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: Point if you ask me, you know, it is it

655
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: was just less complicated. There just wasn't as much. You

656
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: didn't have to always think about what could you just

657
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: did so there wasn't a well, god, you know all

658
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: of these you know, terrible things could happen, or I

659
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: could get in trouble for this, or I could do

660
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: and look, some of that needed to change. It's not

661
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: saying that everything was perfect, but it does feel like

662
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: people are more likely to be overly cautious. You can

663
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: find outrage and everything. Yeah, everything you do is like

664
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 2: I'm outraged. I'm upset that that upset me. Like it's

665
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: so crazy to me. Like if you take some of

666
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: these old old dudes and say, those old dudes that

667
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: owned football teams and the National Football League where the

668
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: yours of P Diddy's trial?

669
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: What they say? Why are we even here? Why are

670
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 4: we here? Why are we here? What are you doing

671
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: to this? Man? I did that last night? Come on?

672
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: What it's the gar and man diaper on? Where you

673
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 4: think he got that idea from that?

674
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: Any woman that's willing to take my dependence off and

675
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: go to work as a woman for me, Like, I

676
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: just I don't know, I just feel like the times

677
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: have changed so much. Man, and even though I still

678
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: get excited for football, like workout culture. It's interesting because

679
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: workout culture is very real now.

680
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: It wasn't.

681
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: Work out culture was like limited to a few people,

682
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: and people would get excited about him, like Walter Payton,

683
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: workout dude. You know Jerry Rice, workout dude. Like there

684
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: were certain dudes and they would highlight them working out.

685
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: That's common now, that's like, it's like, oh, you don't

686
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 3: work out like that. You don't do specified skilled training,

687
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: you don't do this, you don't have a personal training,

688
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: a coach, a personal.

689
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: Coach I coached.

690
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: I was a high school head coach and I had

691
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 3: a kid wasn't even that good, had a person or

692
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: had a private coach, and every time I would tell

693
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: him to do something, he referenced his coach. I'm like, well,

694
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 3: if you want to play on this team that's coached

695
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 3: by me, you probably should listen to the way I'm

696
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: telling you to do it. Otherwise I'm not going to

697
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: trust you to put you out there. But the kid

698
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: wasn't even throwing the ball. He was taking sacks. These

699
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: quarterback coaches teach these kids these days to take sacks

700
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: instead of throwing the ball away because it messes up there.

701
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: QB raiding. Yeah, this is high school. Brady's talked about that, man,

702
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 4: protect what is it protect the rating?

703
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: This is high school? Like, kid, this is going to

704
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: be the last time you play ball. What are you

705
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: protecting your rating for? Who are you going to tell

706
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: twenty years, thirty years from now that I had a

707
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 3: quarterback rating of ninety nine. Meanwhile you had three completions

708
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: for minimum yards.

709
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: What the hell is wrong with that's incomplete? What the

710
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: hell is wrong? I don't know, man. You you sprung

711
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: it like the President saying they don't know what they're

712
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: effing doing. The SoundBite running you talking about seeing when

713
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: guys used to hit this funny man. It just it's

714
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: just it triggered something to me. I'm sorry everyone, I'm sorry.

715
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: You know what.

716
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: I'm not sorry if I offended you because it's how

717
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: I feel. But you know, it is kind of early.

718
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: So there you go. Good morning.

719
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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

720
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

721
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

722
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Speaker 2: So, the big news that came out in the NFL yesterday.

723
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: I don't think that much of a surprise necessarily, but

724
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: it was newsworthy because it was a big time move

725
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: made by one team in the NFL. That's one of

726
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: these stable organizations we've talked about. That would be the

727
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. It was announced yesterday former Ravens kicker Justin

728
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: Tucker was suspended for the first ten weeks of the

729
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 2: regular season after the NFL found that he did violate

730
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: the league's personal conduct policy. This was in regard to

731
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 2: the allegations made against him of sexual misconduct at multiple

732
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: massage parlors in and around the Baltimore area during I

733
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 2: believe a four year stretch twenty twelve to twenty sixteen.

734
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: And look, if he were to sign with a team,

735
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: he could attend training camp, he could even participate in

736
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: preseason games, but he's not eligible to actually playing an

737
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: NFL game until November eleventh, according to the National Football League.

738
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: So it does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew this

739
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 2: was the potential. Does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew

740
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: that this was possibility and that we could be seeing

741
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: Justin Tucker release from the team, and so Justin Tucker,

742
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: now released, now faces a ten game suspension, one game

743
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: less than Deshaun Watson. All right, so one game less

744
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: for anybody keeping score on this, it's a lot of

745
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: football games.

746
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Speaker 3: Again, I would be surprised if I see him, especially

747
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: this upcoming season. I'd be surprised if you saw him back.

748
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: I just don't think you say winning games outweighs it.

749
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 3: I don't think it does. I think it's a bad look.

750
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: I think the fact that you're bringing him in, if

751
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: you brought him in after he finished his suspension, I

752
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: think you open yourself up to criticisms that and scrutiny.

753
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: That's just it's not necessary. It's not needed. Hall of

754
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: Fame kicker, pretty dang good, good ballplayer in his prime.

755
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: But is it worth the headache? I I just don't

756
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: see how it is now.

757
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: John Harbad, the Ravens head coach, in discussing this earlier

758
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: this offseason, explain the reasoning behind the release. If you remember,

759
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: they drafted a kicker this past year before they announced

760
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: the release of Justin Tucker, which I think was the

761
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: beginning of the end. But John Harbaugh had this to

762
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: say when it came to the decision.

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Speaker 8: It was a complex decision making process, and you know

764
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 8: you're I'm a part of it, Eric Sashi, Ozzie Steve

765
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 8: is a big part of those kind of decisions. I mean,

766
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Speaker 8: you're talking about, you know, arguably the best kicker in

767
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 8: the history of the game. You know, And like we said,

768
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 8: it's multi layered, it's complicated, but you've got to in

769
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 8: the end, it all backs up. It all comes back

770
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Speaker 8: to what you have to do to get ready for

771
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Speaker 8: your team to play the first game. And I think

772
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 8: if you step back and you take a look at

773
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 8: all the issues and all the ramifications, you can understand that,

774
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 8: you know, we've got to get our football team ready

775
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 8: and we've got to have a kicker ready to go,

776
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Speaker 8: and that was the move that we decided to make.

777
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: All right, He said absolutely nothing in that well, because

778
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: I think I think they've what the Ravens have done,

779
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: I think is be kind to Justin Tucker and said

780
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: all the right things because they probably recognized Listen, the

781
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: guy went through a little bit of a creepy, weirdo period.

782
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 2: But the guy that we know maybe since that time,

783
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: is a different player that along with he struggled a

784
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: little bit last year, we got to move on. So

785
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 2: I think they've been kind. They didn't they haven't aired

786
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: him out in public, or they haven't you know, made

787
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: an example of him and all that. And so John

788
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: Harbaugh seemingly did that as well too. But one of

789
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: the things that he did mention there was, you know,

790
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: arguably one of the greatest kickers of all time. So

791
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 2: I just wonder when it comes to a discussion about

792
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: him as a Hall of Famer, like say, for example,

793
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Speaker 2: Justin Tucker gets picked up by a team, he is

794
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: a he is eligible to play again, you know, in November.

795
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: But say a team's like, man, we don't want to

796
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: deal with that in season. We don't want to deal

797
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: with the drama, don't want to deal with the blowback

798
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: or having these conversations, because the only reason you're signing

799
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: Justin Tucker during the year would be if you've got

800
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: a problem at the kicker position anyways, and to welcome

801
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: in more dysfunction at a position and more conversation and

802
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: more drama to a position that you've already got drama in,

803
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: which is why you're even in the market for a

804
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: kicker at that point that late in the year, maybe

805
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: isn't the best fit. But next offseason, I could see

806
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: a team kicking the tires on Justin Tucker and saying,

807
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: let's give him a shot. He's one of the best

808
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: kickers of all time. My question would be this, say

809
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: he goes and he plays for another team, and clearly

810
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: it's not going to be Baltimore, and it's not going

811
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: to be Cleveland because they've already got too many and

812
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: definitely not going to be New England because Robert Kraft

813
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: doesn't want the reminders. If they were to bring in

814
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: Justin Tucker and he finishes out his career at a

815
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: high level like he was for majority of his career,

816
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: does this ten game suspension impact him being a Hall

817
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: of Famer? Because I think it would, and I don't

818
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: know that it would for maybe another position outside of

819
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, punter, and but I could see this being

820
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: a make or break for a position that doesn't have

821
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: a lot of Hall of Famers, And that's.

822
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: A good point. The last point is a good point.

823
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: There's not very many specialists hall of famers, So it

824
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: wasn't going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer either,

825
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: you know so, and that wasn't going to be based

826
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: upon anything other than that's just not it's just not

827
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: a high profile position for the Hall of Fame. And

828
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: with that being said, when you have something like this

829
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: take place, it one hundred percent damages your image and

830
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: whether there was a if there was a conviction, it's

831
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: an absolute no. Without this going to trial and it

832
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: becoming a legal thing and all that that come along

833
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: with it, he settles this out of court and never

834
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: sees the light of day. He's going to be a

835
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. It's just a matter of when, and

836
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: it'll be far removed from from anyone possibly even really

837
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: remembering who Justin Tucker is, let alone remembering some of

838
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: his transgressions off of the field.

839
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just look at it because this is one

840
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: of the things that we mentioned yesterday about Robert Craft

841
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: and him being at Fanatics Fest and talking about how

842
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: the last two years or the worst of his time

843
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: and all that, and one of the the thoughts on

844
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: why he's not in the Hall of Fame when a

845
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: guy like Jerry Jones is, when he's got double the

846
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: amount of Super Bowls as Jerry Jones is, do people

847
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: who are voting for the Hall of Fame look at

848
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: what happened with Robert Craft in Jupiter, Florida at the

849
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: orchids of Asia? And do they look at that and

850
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: is that why they've decided not to put him in

851
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame because it doesn't make sense.

852
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: And that's what we do know. That's what the public

853
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: does know. You and I both know. There are a

854
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 3: lot of things that you know. People close to situations

855
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 3: like that that know one another and have built relationships

856
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: through the year years, they may have more knowledge and

857
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: more color on everything on a lot of things that

858
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 3: take place that the general public isn't privy to. There

859
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: are a lot of things that I know specifically that

860
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: I would never talk about on air. And so if

861
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 3: you're one of those people, it doesn't mean I don't

862
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: judge them. And I hate to say that I'm a

863
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: judger at times. I do judge at times. It is

864
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: what it is for me. I feel how I feel

865
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: about things. But there are people that I know things

866
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 3: about that could ruin their entire image and ruin their

867
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: entire reputation. And if that truth ever came out, and

868
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: I don't ever talk about it and I don't get

869
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: involved in it, but I do look at that person

870
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: or those people in particular, and I do not have

871
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: what it would would have used to have been a

872
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: healthy affinity for him and respect. I don't have any

873
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 3: of that. And you just live in that. And so

874
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: when you know things a certain type of way because

875
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 3: you're in it and you're around it, and you meet

876
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: the same people, and you're around the same people and

877
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: the information circulates from time to time, you know, that's

878
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: what you live in. And so to me, you know,

879
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 3: asking the question, does this impact Pat?

880
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 6: Pat?

881
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: My guy? Not Pat because he's the guy, he's the man.

882
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: But Bob is Bob Kraft, Bob Kraft, Robert Kraft, Robert Krabt.

883
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: If it's impacting him getting in Bobby orchids, is there's

884
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 3: something there's I'm gonna just say this, and I'm gonna

885
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: say it confidently, just knowing the things that I have

886
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: seen with my own two eyes. There are things that

887
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: people are aware of about Robert Kraft that make it

888
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: make it difficult to vote on man. There's got to be,

889
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: because there's no other reason why he would not be

890
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: at his age, there's no re in as long as

891
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: he's been around, there's no reason for him to not

892
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: be inducted into the Hall of Fame by.

893
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: Now, and apparently that's a real that really burns his

894
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: ass that he's not a Hall of Famer, that he's

895
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: not like he's really pushed for it. The fact that

896
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones got it before him bothers him, according to

897
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 2: it to people close to Robert Kraft, because those two

898
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: don't necessarily see eye to eye all the time. But

899
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: like there's yeah, there's got to be more too, but

900
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: it is. It's just interesting how those moments people keep

901
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: score and yet you look at other players in the

902
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 2: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and there's stuff

903
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: that that was out on all of them. Like, look,

904
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger is going to be a Hall of Famer,

905
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: no doubt about it, no question whatsoever.

906
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 4: Damn he had some stuff going on earlier in his career.

907
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: You get there's a list, like there's a few dudes

908
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: in that Hall of Fame.

909
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 4: There's a list. It's just like, let's be clear, there's

910
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: there's a list.

911
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: You pick and choose which are well, we could look

912
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: the other way, or he was so great that that

913
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: we're fine with that. It's like Robert Kraft, guys won

914
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: six Super bowls.

915
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 3: I haven't listened to an R. Kelly song since everything

916
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: came out?

917
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 4: What came out?

918
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 3: Everything? Oh pause? I mean anyway, But some people listen

919
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 3: to R. Kelly and they'll tell you, I don't get

920
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: involved with R Kelly the person that's locked up. I

921
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: just enjoy R Kelly's music for what it's worth, that

922
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 3: face value. I can't do that. I don't know why.

923
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because I have daughters. I don't know, but

924
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 3: I can't do it. I've never listened to R Kelly

925
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: after everything came out. So some people can separate the two.

926
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: Some people can't. And when you can't, you base your

927
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: judgments and you're showing a.

928
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: Favor or lack thereof based off of how you're you feel.

929
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 4: And I also think, like I can separate the two.

930
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 4: I don't.

931
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: I don't look at any professional athlete like a role

932
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: model or anything like that. I don't base my life

933
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: around you know, that's the example I want to live.

934
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: I said this earlier this week. I think everybody's got

935
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: a little bit of scumbag in them. It just depends

936
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: on how often it comes out. And some people let

937
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: it out and let that out of the cage. A

938
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 2: little bit more than others. Some people keep it pretty

939
00:53:54,280 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: closed up. I just think while I can compartmentalize the

940
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 2: player from the stuff off the field, I totally understand.

941
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 4: How some people can't.

942
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: And once you put your fate in somebody else's hands,

943
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: like for example, Justin Tucker or potentially robber Craft, that

944
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: that's why he's not in the Hall of Fame. Once

945
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: you do that, yeah, you can't pitch about it.

946
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 3: When you was laying down on that table and he

947
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 3: was telling him to do more, you have been thinking

948
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: about that hall of fame.

949
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: You just can't.

950
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 4: You can't think of it like you can't complain about

951
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 4: it like that.

952
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: I just I tend to believe that when you say

953
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: hall of fame, and I'm in a hall of fame,

954
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 3: I just for me, I feel as though I have

955
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: to be responsible over first and foremost my own brand,

956
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 3: me personally, what Errington means a name I was given

957
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 3: before I even knew who I was. I'm defending, I'm building,

958
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 3: I'm growing, and I am protecting the reputation of my

959
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 3: family name. And that's I'm very prideful about that. So

960
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: when I make decisions, I make decisions cautiously and I

961
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 3: make decisions knowing that, you know, any one moment I

962
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 3: was just having this conversation with man Man yesterday, any

963
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: one moment can take away a lifetime of.

964
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 4: Hard work to build the right reputation.

965
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: And it's unfortunate that some people just go overboard, like

966
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 3: you can have fun. Nobody's saying you got to be

967
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,479
Speaker 3: a hermit, you can't do anything. You can have fun.

968
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: You can have your fun, but you got to understand

969
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: what you know when no means no, You got to understand,

970
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: you know, social cues, different things that maybe some of

971
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 3: these guys just don't seem to feel like they need

972
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: to have that as an asset or skill or something

973
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: that's a part of you know, what they bring to

974
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 3: the table.

975
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 4: And you make these decisions.

976
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: And I honestly believe some of the people that make

977
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 3: these decisions are fully unaware of how egregiously out of

978
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: pocket they are because they're that out of touch with reality.

979
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: I honestly believe that, Like when Deshaun Watson says he's

980
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 3: he's innocent, I believe he honestly believes that based off

981
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 3: of his vision of the world. But with that being said,

982
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: when things like what came out on him, come out

983
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: with things that came out on Robbercraft that came out.

984
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: When it comes out and it's discussed and it's public

985
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: domain and it's knowledge, the one thing that the public

986
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: is going to do is give an opinion, and one

987
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: of those opinion is going to become popular public opinion.

988
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 3: And if you're not looked upon positively as a Hall

989
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: of famer, how can you be selected and put into

990
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: such hollow ground knowing that something not good, not glowing,

991
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: not flattering about you, and in fact landed you in

992
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 3: legal trouble. How are you supposed to be putting them

993
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame when most cases you'll say

994
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: that's infamy, not famous, that's infamous. So to me, I

995
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: think it does become a hard sale to put a

996
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: person into the Hall of Fame that doesn't have a

997
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: good reputation both on and off the field, because you

998
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: are an ambassador, you are the ultimate ambassador to the game.

999
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: And there's also the look and this could go down

1000
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: a whole rabbit hole of Major League Baseball and how

1001
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: you know they're parameters for getting into the Hall of Fame,

1002
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: which is just a joke, it's just but yeah, those

1003
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: people have the power to determine how you're viewed from

1004
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: a legacy standpoint, but you have the power to determine

1005
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: what they choose to look at from your conduct. And

1006
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: for some people, some people, you know, a little bit

1007
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: reckless out there. So but we will a little bit,

1008
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see what happens when it comes to

1009
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: the case of judge. Some of the most touched people

1010
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: are you know, are hall of famers.

1011
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 4: Which is the appropriate word for this topic. Oh, there

1012
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 4: you go.