1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody, welcome to Move the Sticks, a special 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks edition here at the NFL Talent Symposium. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Somewhit's right. I like symposium. I think it's a more 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: fancy word. But I'm here with two guys are much 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: smarter than myself. Uh, two of my best friends here 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: at the network. Two the best guys that we have. 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: These guys, these are my guys here. So we were 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: pumped up about this opportunity because there's a lot of 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: things to talk about. Bucky's got nineteen jobs, so he's 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: attending to one of those right now. He's in the line, 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: he's getting food, he's getting a hand. It was it 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: to go back. Okay, it was not a plate. It 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: was a to go bag. Um. But it's been a 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: fun time getting everybody together here. But I'm glad I've 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: got you guys here because there's so many things I 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: want to hit you on. The First thing I want 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: to do, though, is, uh, is let me know what 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: you guys have done in the off season for fun 20 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: before we get to the good stuff. Go ahead. I 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: got down in Mexico for my tenth wedding anniversary, no kids. 22 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: That was easily the highlights so far, and other than that, 23 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: trying to tie up all the loose ends. We still 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: got headed into training camp. Been spending a lot of 25 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: time in Florida. My mother in law has a place 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: in Palm Beach. And when I say a place in 27 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: Palm Beach, that could mean a fifty five million dollar mansion. 28 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: It's not. It's a beautiful condom. So I just want 29 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: to make sure that I'm crystal clear. It's on the 30 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: south side of Palm Beach, but we went down there 31 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: once in May. Literally booked the next trip while we 32 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: were on the tarmac leaving and said we're coming back 33 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. Got home. My four year 34 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: old daughter just randomly sitting on the couch, didn't even 35 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: look up, and just said, I missed Palm Beach. Looked again, 36 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: So we're going next week. So we're getting a lot 37 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: of time down there. It's beautiful. It's hot as all 38 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: hell right now, but we're having a blast there. They go, 39 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: there's the off season. It's almost over by the way. 40 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: We gotta get to work for today. I want to 41 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: talk about some of the big storylines. I want to 42 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: focus on a couple of divisions, uh. First of all, 43 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: starting with the with the let's go with a f 44 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: C North because I think we're looking at quarterbacks. A 45 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: f C North, a f C West are the intriguing 46 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: ones to me coming into this season. Starting with you know, Cleveland, 47 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: what's going on there I think would be at the 48 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: top of the list. And I'm actually you know, the 49 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson stuff, everything's out there. You guys have had 50 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: report on this through the whole offseason and it continues 51 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: to go on. But what's going on with Baker Mayfield 52 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: right now to me is almost a more intriguing storyline. 53 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: What do you guys think that's something that could move 54 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: forward at any time? I think it's been well documented 55 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: that there have been there have been trade talks going 56 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: back prior to the draft with teams, most notably the 57 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. It's complicated because Baker Mayfield is fully guaranteed 58 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: over eighteen million dollars on his fifth year option. So 59 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: for Cleveland, if you release him, you still owe him 60 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: all of that money minus whatever you would sign a 61 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: new team for. So it absolutely makes sense if you're 62 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: going to move on, which all indications are that they 63 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: will to figure out a way to work out the trade. 64 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: But that still requires the trading partner, knowing that you've 65 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: got a distressed asset in Baker Mayfield, to have to 66 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: figure out what the cost should be in terms of 67 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: the money as well as in the draft pick. I 68 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: don't anticipate that the compensation is going to be particularly 69 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: high in terms of the draft pick. Millions of dollars, 70 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: millions dollars in cap space. Those are complicating issues. And 71 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: with regard to Deshaun Watson, I would just say there's 72 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: a new process here and one of the unknowns, and 73 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: everybody is projecting what is going to happen and when 74 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen with Deshaun Watson. We don't know how 75 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: the new disciplinary officer, who is a former federal judge 76 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: is going to handle this. The procedure is the NFL 77 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: investigation wraps up, which it has not yet, but the 78 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: investigator turns over all the information that they've gotten. NFL 79 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: and NFL p A both present their cases to the 80 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: disciplinary officer. Here's what we think the direction should be 81 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: on discipline, if any that's up to that disciplinary officer 82 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: to rule. I still believe we're going to get that 83 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: well in advance of training camp, which means that renders 84 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: moot any exemplest decision, Mike, But you just don't know 85 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: how it's going to proceed because of the first time 86 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: in a really really unique and high profile case, the 87 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: new policy from the c B as a blot, and 88 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: I think that the general sentiment has changed over the 89 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: last month or so. And if there was support for 90 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson from the public um and support was, well, 91 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: it's he said, she said, right. Just because there's a 92 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: lawsuit and two grand juries passed on this thing, you know, 93 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: it's an indication that there is some gray area and 94 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: you shouldn't just until he's proven guilty. You know that 95 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: that's gone away. It's now become an overwhelming sentiment just 96 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: from me taking the pulse of talking to people, seeing 97 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: the responses on Twitter of there's just too many accusations 98 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: to look away from right now. And I think a 99 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: lot of people have said this guy is is guilty 100 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: in their minds. So the NFL has to deal with 101 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: that knowing what the reaction is going to be based 102 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: on what their suspension is going to be I I 103 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: just personally, I don't have any inside indication other than 104 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: kind of reading between the lives. I think it's gonna 105 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: be significant. Really. I would also say the Browns and 106 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: the ore teams who did homework and were interested to 107 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: Shaun Watson team sent private investigators. They gathered a great 108 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,119 Speaker 1: deal of information. The Browns knew what they were getting 109 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: into when they made the trade for Deshaun Wats to 110 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: give it up all those draft picks, when they signed 111 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: into a five year, two or thirty million dollar fully 112 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: guaranteed contract. And one of the things was that there 113 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: could be an unknown In other words, every day you 114 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: could wake up and there could be a new allegation, 115 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: there could be a new interview, there could be all 116 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: these types of different things. So the Browns new going 117 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: in what they were taking on with DeShawn Watson. They made, frankly, 118 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: a calculated gamble or bet, whatever you want to call it, 119 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: that they were going to be able to handle whatever 120 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: comes with this and ultimately get a really, really good 121 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: young quarterback. But to the extent that we're taking the 122 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 1: pulse of the public here, they knew what was there, 123 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: and they knew when these new things come up how 124 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: it was going to be received. They decided that the 125 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: risk was worth what they believe ultimately be a potential rule. 126 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: Somebody who has kids, and you can tell them it's 127 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a little scary when you get to the 128 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: top of the high dive, and they can understand it's 129 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: going to be scary when they actually get up there 130 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: and they really eyes, Oh gosh, what did I get 131 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: myself into. You might have had an idea. I don't 132 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: know if you can ever anticipate where this thing. Yeah, 133 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: we keep here and none of this is new information 134 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: to the NFL or to the Browns, these newer allegations 135 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: that have come out, but it's new to the public, 136 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: and so that's what's changing and that's what the team 137 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: in the NFL has to consider. But but let me 138 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: go off of this, go back to Baker, because I 139 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: don't know exactly when this changed. There was a thought 140 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: from the Browns that like, we may need this guy, 141 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: they need him right and maybe we can convince him 142 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: to come back here and be our starting quarterback for 143 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: as long as Deshaun Watson is unavailable. I think Baker 144 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: has made it clear that he's just not interested in 145 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: that but I think Baker should have considered that. I 146 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: think that that might be the best option for him 147 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: from a football standpoint, because there's good weapons, there's a 148 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: system he's familiar with. He can go back there and 149 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: play and say, hey, I played much better in twenty 150 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: two than twenty one. I told you it was to 151 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: show I'm healthy. You didn't believe me. Look, I'm still 152 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: the guy that can be a good starting quarterback for 153 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: a organization. And the other thing is, what's the knock 154 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: on him? The knock is immaturity, right, warrant it or not, 155 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: that's the knock on this guy around the league. What 156 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: better way to show people you can put a whole 157 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: lot of stuff aside and go back. And I'm not 158 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: saying that he owes the team anything or anything. I'm 159 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: just saying for him may have been the best route 160 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: to take. I'm curious with you, what do you think 161 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: on this, Tom, Because go back to the Ostwiler trade, right, 162 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: they basically bought a draft pick. They took on the 163 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: Ostwiler contract and bought a draft pick. The Cleveland Browns 164 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: have done this type of thing in the past. Just 165 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: gonna end up with them eating just a massive chunk 166 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: of this Baker number in order to get something. Well, 167 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: if if they were willing to do that, that trade 168 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: would already be done. It need already be a Carolina Panther, 169 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: and that would have happened before the draft. The issue 170 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: has been the money, how much the Browns are willing 171 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: to eat. But how you know, how is that like 172 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: the osway, I think you're basically you're paying for a 173 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: draft pick. You'd be doing the same thing, it's a 174 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: little different version of it, but you're sending out money. Well, 175 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: but there is a market. There was no market for 176 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, brock Oswild Like that's why that deal had 177 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 1: to happen the way it did. There is a market 178 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield, just not at a level that it 179 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: is worthy of you paying a huge chunk of it. 180 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: In other words, if you're buying a second round pick 181 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: for fifteen million dollars, that's a lot different than buying 182 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: a late round a fourth or a fifth for sixteen million. 183 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: And that's all part of the way that they look 184 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: at it. We know that they're you know, they're front 185 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: office is very into the analytics of things and viewing 186 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: things through that lens. They have to make that decision, 187 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: but really there's no rush the contract. At the moment 188 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: they picked up the fifth year options on Baker Mayfield, 189 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: it was fully guaranteed. That's another new tweak to c 190 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: b A. So it was over. They couldn't pull the 191 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: plug before the start of the league year. It was 192 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: fully guaranteed. The same reason that the Panthers are in 193 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: the spot there in with Sam Darnald and all these 194 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: situations end up being tied together as you move forward. 195 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: But if you're on the if you're one of those 196 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: other teams that's in this market for him, and Carolina 197 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: is obviously one of where you guys are in Seattle 198 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: with that. But to me, the the further we get 199 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: in the off season, the closer we get to the season, 200 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: the less time he has to learn my offense, the 201 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: less I'm gonna be willing to part with for that. 202 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean, because I want to get him in my 203 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: building at least get some runway to the season. Yeah, 204 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: that you talked about no rush the rushes for him. 205 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, at some point he's got to figure out 206 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: where he's gonna be and start to learn the offense. 207 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: And we saw this with Yunique and goakway when he 208 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: went from Jacksonville to Minnesota, right, he took a pay cup. 209 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: He Baker Mayfield can do that to help facilitate this 210 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: right now, not saying he should, but how much do 211 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: you want out? How much do you want to help 212 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: make this happen? Because it's not just oh, how much 213 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: of the Panthers gonna take? How much of the Browns 214 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: gonna eat? It's also how much can Baker lop off 215 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: to help make this happen. Yeah, that's that's an interesting 216 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: level of that because I've never thought about it from 217 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: that same point. He could go to them and say, 218 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: these are my preferred destinations. Maybe I would, I would 219 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: release some money for this team or that. Everybody. You 220 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: treat me a little bit nothing. I'm not. I'm not 221 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: working with you at all on that. I just know 222 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: when players have guaranteed money, getting him to give up 223 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: guaranteed money, which I'm not. I'm not saying he has to. 224 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: What I'm saying, if you really wanted badly, you can't 225 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: help make it happen. Well if you play out the 226 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: unique example too. It didn't work out in Minnesota. He 227 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: got traded to Baltimore, then went to the Raiders. Now 228 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: he's a coult I mean, there's these are complicated type 229 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: of situations because you're talking about the short term money 230 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: that you are fully guaranteed versus the potential long term 231 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: earning power. Yeah, there's absolutely if it were Baker Mayfield 232 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: is going to be traded to you know, name a contender, 233 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes for has something happened tomorrow when he gets 234 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: traded the team. That's a lot different than going to 235 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: a Carolina team where you know they've got some weapons, 236 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: there's no question about it. But you're in a situation 237 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: where it doesn't appear to be a lot of stability 238 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: in terms of the long term with the coaching staff. 239 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of pressure on this season. It is 240 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: a little bit different and so everybody involved. You got 241 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: three different parts that all have to come to an 242 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: agreement on what it is, and so far they have 243 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: not been able to do that, but that could happen anytime. 244 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: Let's get around some of the other teams. Quicker here, 245 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: let's go with Baltimore. Lamar Jackson, I guess it came out, 246 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: said him. And to Costa have had conversations. Erica Costa, 247 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: general manager, the Baltimore Ravens. I didn't take anything with 248 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: anything close at all on what you guys took from 249 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: those comments. I think was yesterday. Uh. I don't know 250 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: what he describes his conversations, right. It could be what's 251 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: for breakfast? Right? Well? Yeah, I mean the team has 252 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: made it clear publicly and privately. As one GM once 253 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: screamed at Ian at an owner's meeting, there's a difference 254 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: between talks and negotiations. And you know you were there. 255 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: I was there. It was a great moment, I think, 256 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's applicable in this case. Um, you 257 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: don't have an agent involved. That just changes the dynamic 258 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: of it. It's Lamar, it's his mom. No agent that 259 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: that we know would have let him step on the 260 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: field last year without doing that deal, right like that 261 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: would have been there. Push and again, it's fine, you 262 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: want to play this out, you want to shift the 263 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: leverage to you at Kirk Cousins. If you can really 264 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: get to that point, great, it's a gamble. And he 265 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: was injured last year. He could possibly get injured again 266 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: this year, maybe even more severely. The play could dip. 267 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: He's betting on himself. I get it. I wish I'm 268 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: all the best. He's a great kid. I like, I 269 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: like covering them, and you know, I unders got plenty 270 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: of money. I'm glad to see a shifted the players 271 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: from time to time. By the way, I love uh 272 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: m v P starting quarterbacks in National Football League working 273 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: out of l A fitness. I feel like that just 274 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: gives like an everyman vibe to Lamar Jackson that you 275 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: don't see. He's his own man. He is, you know, 276 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: just he operates in his own way. And Mike's right, 277 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of situations of former NFL m 278 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: v P coming off the type of season he had 279 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: in which I believe is the year that they beat 280 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: the Titans in the playoffs in Tennessee. Nobody would let 281 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: him go back out there because you know, you want 282 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: to do those deals early, and we always, you know, 283 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: there's this ongoing to bat about the paper value versus 284 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: the new money, the extension and what's the real average, 285 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: And me and Mike have always been on the team 286 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: of the new money is what matters. Because you're calculatd 287 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: based on doing your extension in advance time value of 288 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: money the marketplace only grows, so your contract that's done 289 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: now is worth more than is the future, and it 290 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,599 Speaker 1: is risk. It's you're removing the risk of injuries. So 291 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: Lamarco was out in plays last season. Statistically, it was 292 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: his worst full season as the starter. He has the 293 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: whatever was bone bruising his ankle that initially they're saying 294 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: he might be back in a week, and then all 295 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden he doesn't play for the final six 296 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: seven weeks of the season. There's that weird video of 297 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: him like running on his heel or whatever you wanna 298 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: called speed walking on a brown field, and you know, 299 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: the whole thing was just odd. And it's a player 300 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: who even when he was coming intole, you remember this DJ, 301 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: it was just kind of He's not the thickest built 302 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: Guy's got kind of narrow legs, and he runs a lot. 303 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: He doesn't take a lot of big hits. He does 304 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: a good job with that, but just over time, does 305 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: it wear on him? Does it add up when you 306 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: don't do the extension. Now you're on the risk of 307 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: he's banged up again this season. Now it's two years 308 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: in a row. They're looking at the guy who's not 309 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: playing at the same level. And that's why agents usually 310 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: pushed guys to do it in advance. He's being advised 311 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: by his mom, and obviously the advice to this point 312 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: is we're not all that concerned about doing it quickly. 313 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take a left turn here because it 314 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: takes me right there. This is Kyler Murray, right, This 315 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: is this is Kyler Murray, seeing what happened with Baker Mayfield, 316 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: seeing what happened with Lamar Jackson, and Eric Burkhardtson. We're 317 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: not doing that. We are getting a contract done before 318 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: we get to the season. Isn't that where he's trying 319 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: to exert some of that leverage to not be put 320 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: in that situation. Yeah, And and what he's standing on 321 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: is remember what this place looked like before I got here, Okay, 322 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: and things are a lot better. Um And you know, 323 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: Eric is Eric is an interesting though. I mean Eric, 324 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: Eric is willing to be the public face of this 325 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: thing in a lot of ways that other agents may 326 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: not have. Um So, and I appreciate he's he won 327 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: all caps. Man, He's he's a little out there in 328 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: this like lovable kind of way, right, so you can 329 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: kind of you can kind of mess with him, you know. 330 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: And I joke about the statement all the time, and 331 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: he loves it. And but I there's there's something to 332 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: be said for an agent who's willing to go out 333 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: there and put himself out there the way that he did, 334 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: just get done. Did you think Kyler gets done? Yes, Yes, 335 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna cost him. I mean, I don't know the 336 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: specific place of any you know, recent talks, but I 337 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: would be shocked if it's under the forty three million 338 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: dollar per year range. It is going to be a 339 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: top of the market type of the deal. Because if 340 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: you're Kyler, you're thinking, well, you know, at some point now, 341 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't anticipate he's gonna play. If the deal doesn't 342 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: get done for five point five million, not at the 343 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: start of the season, he can show up in mid 344 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: season and you know, take whatever, however many millions of 345 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: dollars you would have lost, but in essence still get 346 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: the year towards the contractor would count. You'd move forward 347 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: from that. There's a lot of things though we don't 348 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: even speculate. Let's we're getting ahead of ourselves here with Kylie. 349 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: You're right, he could have gone to Major League Baseball. 350 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Is the first round pick in baseball it's seven years. 351 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Do you get paid in football? Hopefully? Right? Hopefully you 352 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: get through the the arbitration years and all that stuff. 353 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: In football, it's three years and you can get paid. 354 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: Kyler has gotten better every year, the team has gotten 355 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: better every year. Why shouldn't I get paid right now? 356 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: But it is the exact opposite of Lamar, who's just 357 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: going no, I'm are about Lamar situation. All right, it's 358 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: gonna a couple more quarterback topics here, So let's stay 359 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: go back to the f C North Pittsburgh. Who wins 360 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: that job? What are you hearing? Sisky uh? To start out? 361 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: And and it's because of the unscouted stuff. I've talked 362 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: to defensive coaches that are going to see them this 363 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: year that are saying, well, how much have we not 364 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: seen already? And I said, I gather a lot because 365 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: what they're doing, what Matt Cannada loves to do. They 366 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: had to tailor that to Roethlisberger. So it's not just 367 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: the motions and everything that they were doing, it's it's 368 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: how now post snap that's gonna look, And it's gonna 369 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: look a lot if he can be a part of that. 370 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: And and I really do and and you know, I 371 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: understand Kenny Pickett is in a spot where he's comfortable. 372 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: He certainly was the most pro ready of any of 373 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: the guys in the draft this year. But I just 374 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: can't see that team going away from a guy that 375 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: they are truly excited about and think that they can 376 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: tap into the way that the Bears were unable to 377 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: It's Travis Key until they think that Kenny Pickett is 378 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: ready there don't want to rush Kenny Pickett, even though 379 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: as Mike said, he was clearly and you know this 380 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: the most pro ready of the guys in this trap. 381 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: So Drabinsky comes in, it is his job to lose 382 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: at least to start the season here. But that's gonna 383 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: be if you look around the league took quarterback battles. 384 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: That's the best one of any team that I could. 385 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Geno Smith versus Drew Lock is not unless 386 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: unless Baker winds up somewhere and it's you know, you know, 387 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: he comes in late enough that maybe Sam Donald's got 388 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: a fighting chance of staving him off. But yeah, I 389 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: agree with you that this is this is the one 390 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: to watch for sure, and got a really good team. Yeah, 391 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: mind you that's The other difference is you would anticipate 392 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: Steve is gonna be good on defense, got weapons, so 393 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: you can win a quarterback who can play well enough. 394 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: And a lot is said about Trabinsky, but you know, 395 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: you look at the Bears record with him as their 396 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: starting quarterback. You look what his numbers are on the 397 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: whole in his career. He was not an abject failure there. 398 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: It was a lot of different things going on. He 399 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: didn't play his best at times. They clearly wanted to 400 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: move on to Nick Foles. They did that, and you know, 401 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: everybody had to live with the results, no doubt, last 402 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: team in that division that will move out West. Have 403 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: we ever had a year where you have a superstar 404 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: young quarterback coming off of a year where he's this 405 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: close to winning a Super Bowl with all this young 406 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: talent around, they bring him back and I would say, 407 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: as we've done here. Probably the fourth most discussed team 408 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: in the division since Santi Bengals. Well, it was the 409 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: question on total Access here to night was like, if 410 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: the Bengals done enough to improve their offense, what do 411 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: they They were seventh and scoring last year. They got 412 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, they got Jamaar Chase Tyler Boyd T Higgins 413 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: quarterback is offensive line, So I mean they're pretty good 414 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: to begin with. I think the you know, the Joe 415 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: Burrow thing is interesting because if you're talking like top 416 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: five quarterbacks in the NFL right now, he's not a lock. 417 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't think in most people's minds to be there. 418 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: But looking how we played last year, coming off of 419 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: a tour d a c l played with a brace 420 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: on his knee, not being really able to move in 421 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: the first half of the season. He's he's a special 422 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: type of a guy. And you talk to people around 423 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 1: the Bengals and they just say, like his influence on 424 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: everybody else. Even the other day when he did his 425 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: press conference at the end of minicamp and he's talking 426 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: about no, like the time to lock it is now 427 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: right now, Like this is not I'm going on you know, 428 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: vacation they've done at all. This is begun where we're 429 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: going right now, So everybody else needs to lock. There's 430 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: different ways of evaluating quarterbacks. You want to get this 431 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: and get your thoughts on this, because a lot of 432 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: times to talk about, Okay, who would you take, and 433 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: we always think about it in terms of this year, 434 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: like who would you take take any these quarterbacks? Is 435 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: he a top five guy? I look at and say, 436 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: in a big game, right, I think I would take 437 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: him in the top five of quarterbacks in the league 438 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: one game. Joe Burrow, he's he's he's a killer man, 439 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: He's an assassin. Like he just built a little bit different. 440 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: You talk about the evaluation of quarterbacks. I still go 441 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: back to the way that he just rocketed up that 442 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: last year pre draft to come out of nowhere, And 443 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: how could you be this good and really not show 444 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: that in some form or fashion that like, oh kind 445 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: of in the mix. Like the way that he just 446 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: kind of came out of nowhere and you can speak 447 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: certainly more to this is incredible because you're looking at 448 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: a guy that is just special as uh quarterback, as 449 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: a leader. You're starting to see a lot more of 450 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: that too. The way that he spoke uh in supported 451 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: Jesse Bates, I think went a long way in that 452 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: locker room. So I think this year of Joe Burrow 453 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: is going to be as long as this guy is standing, 454 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: as long as these hells a bad dude man, We're 455 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: gonna be in competition every single year. Allow the Patriots 456 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: when they had Tom Brady jump out west here, Russell 457 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: Wilson and Denver expectations. Early. I just said, that's gonna 458 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: be one of the fun teams in the whole league 459 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: to watch. When you look at their young skill core 460 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: Javonte Williams, you anticipate what we're doing the Charger games, 461 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: and you prepare for them every week, and you're going 462 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: to their roster and always I'll use colors of like 463 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: who I think you're kind of the They have a 464 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: lot of blue players on that team. They just haven't 465 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: had quality quarterback. Cortland Sutton is the big type of target, 466 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: those the exact body types of Russell Wilson really likes. 467 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: Yet Jerry Judy, who you're hoping is gonna show growth here. 468 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: You know, as you move forward, Tim Patrick's obviously been 469 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: a really good player for him to um. You know, defensively, 470 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: you would anticipate that they're gonna be pretty good on 471 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: that side of the ball too. And then with Russ 472 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: it's just the question is is he gonna be the 473 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson we've seen through his best years in the NFL. 474 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: The formulas the same, play good defense, have good backs, 475 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: run the football and then let him work the magic 476 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: when he needs to. And he's paired with a guy 477 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: in you know, Nathaniel Hackett, who you know, got Aaron 478 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: Rodgers on board, and those two had a really close relationship, 479 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: you know Rogers when he when Hacky everview with the 480 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: Falcons a couple of years ago, like Rogers contact and 481 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: the Falcons were like, you should hire him. Okay, that's 482 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: how close that they were in Erond is not that 483 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: close with a lot of coaches. Um, you know, Hacketts 484 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: gonna have a new philosophy. It's probably going to be 485 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: more like what Seattle was trying to do with their 486 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: offense last year until they got a few weeks in 487 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: and it really wasn't working. They kind of went back 488 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: to the old stuff. They kind of went back to 489 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: the way that they played in the past. I just 490 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: I just go back to the last five games or 491 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: so of Russell Wilson's career. He's not been the same 492 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: guy now. The injury was a huge part of it. 493 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: Last year, the finger came back too soon, just didn't 494 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: play all that well. But ever since that first way 495 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: five weeks season when it was letting Russ cook and 496 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: Shoddy was opening up the offense and we're throwing it 497 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: all over the place, and they started turning it over. 498 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: Then Pete said, we're turning it over too much. We 499 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: gotta go back to playing the way that we were before. 500 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: It's not been that same guy. Russell Wilson is very, 501 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: very in tune with his legacy, with what he wants 502 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: to be remembered as and being a Hall of Famer 503 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: and trying to win another super Bowl and probably doing 504 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: more in that Super Bowl run. He thinks this is 505 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: the opportunity there, and I just think it's gonna be 506 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: really interesting to seat. He's gonna be motivated, no question 507 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: about that. It'll just be interested to see how the 508 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: entire thing. Let Javonte jam that's my thing. That's what 509 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: you got. They're actually built to run the exact same 510 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: number of carries last year. I think they both had 511 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: like two carries or something like that. I would certainly 512 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: anticipate it's giving more Java last year. Watch him in 513 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: that Dallas game when they shocked the Cowboys down there, 514 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: and it was a play well, and you see with 515 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: that offense what you can do off of that if 516 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: you're running the football well. Obviously as it starts to 517 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: trickle down and Nathaniel hack and I'll have his own wrinkles. 518 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: I want to see how much of it is on time? 519 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: How much of it is gonna be the footwork in 520 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: that offense taking you to where you need to be? 521 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: Does the ball come out on time? Is he's still 522 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: trying to create I mean, obviously there's gonna be an 523 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: element of that. How much of that are we gonna see? Uh, 524 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: that's the curious part to me, number one, but also 525 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: number two. I think about this, and we've seen this, 526 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: and Rogers is a good example of sometimes late in 527 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: your career, that fresh outlook, that fresh philosophy really helps 528 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: a guy. Eli Manning went through a two when Ben 529 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: McAdoo showed up with the Giants. It was like, this 530 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: is completely different from anything I've ever done, and it 531 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: was good for him, certainly statistically, uh and otherwise. So 532 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, it feels like now is the right time 533 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: for that for us. All right, let's get to a 534 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: couple other teams in that division here with with the 535 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: Raider Is with the new coaching staff coming in there, 536 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: we know obviously the additions that they've made spending a 537 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: bunch of money again, the Chargers and what they did 538 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: revamping the defense um and then you look at Kansas City, 539 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: No Tyreek Hill, but they've tried to allocate their resources 540 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: to the other side of the ball and and going 541 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: with more of a uh more is better approach offensively, 542 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: I guess in terms of spreading it around, what team 543 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: are you most excited about in that division overall? And 544 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: what team are you maybe a little bit cautious about 545 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: that Everybody jumping in on well, I think I mean, 546 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: besides Denver, the Raiders is the other team is just 547 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: gonna be intriguing because we just we don't really know 548 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: how it's gonna come together. Josh McDaniels, it was a 549 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: really fantastic coach. Was in a place in New England 550 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: for most of the past twenty years where they ran 551 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: the same offense for twenty years and they kept adding 552 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: to a netting volume to ridiculous and the greatest quarterback 553 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: of all time. Then Mac Jones comes in. He did 554 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: a really good job with Mac last year too, but 555 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: it was a different kind of evolution what they were 556 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: trying to do. Can he put all that stuff in 557 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: as he put that much on Derek Carr, is there 558 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: different elements and different stuff things that car has been 559 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: well in the path Davante Adam because from a completely 560 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: different offense, how that whole thing looks is gonna be 561 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: really interesting. I wouldn't sleep on the Raiders defense either, 562 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: bringing in Chandler Jones opposite Max Crosby, and he got 563 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: Patrick Graham, which was one of the He's one of 564 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: the coaches who other coaches talk about constantly how hard 565 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: his schemes are, how the difficult is prepared to face them. 566 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: You know. With the Chiefs, it's gonna be it's still 567 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: the Patrick Mahomes show. It's a matter of Ken Markus 568 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: Volde Scantley and some of the other pieces they've added 569 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: kind of add up to what Tyreek Hill was. But 570 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: the Raiders of the team that just has the most 571 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: new tool. Yeah. And and and the Chiefs have one of 572 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: the storylines that we're still watching here over the next month, 573 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: which is Orlando Brown as their franchise tackle. Um can 574 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: he get a long term deal done before July fiftee 575 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: because when we had him on Total Access, the way 576 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: that he phrased it, and some people did pick up 577 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: on this is you know, yeah, I think the Chiefs 578 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: are interested in helping me get a long term deal 579 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: because this is not the year to play with a 580 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: backup left tackle, which indicated that he's not interested in 581 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: playing on the franchise. Tach and I probably should have 582 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: followed up on that, but O'Hara had his question and 583 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: we never got back there. But the implication certainly was there. 584 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, you're gonna be without your 585 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: left tackle, can you can you shuffle things up front? 586 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: So we'll we'll keep an eye on that one for 587 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: you as we get over the next month or so. UM. 588 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: I do want to go back to the Raiders because 589 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: I remember Josh McDaniels with Brady and talking to defenses 590 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: about this, which is how do you deal with how 591 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: multiple they are from week to week? And it was 592 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: none of that week to week? How about quarter to 593 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: quarter series series? The series you know? And Derek Carr, certainly, 594 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: I think over the last couple years has not nearly 595 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: gotten enough credit for who he is and what he's 596 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: able to do. And UM, for him to to to 597 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: keep John Gruden enthralled for as long as he did, 598 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: that's certainly a good accomplishment considering Gruden's history of shuffle quickly. Yeah, 599 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: so that that shows you what Derek Carr can bring. 600 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that relationship and how much 601 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: can they do drive to drive quarter to quarter. All right, 602 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: last question there with the charters, we'd hit them. Derwin 603 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: James new contract, I would imagine it's got to be 604 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: coming here before too long. Mica Fitzpatrick, that framework of 605 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: that deal from what you saw, what do you think 606 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: that where that Derwin James deal comes in. And I 607 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: haven't seen the full breakdown on the make of it 608 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: Patrick contracts. We've been a meeting in the past two days, 609 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: but yeah, you would certainly anticipate that that's where you're 610 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: shooting for. You know, with Derwin James, the issue has 611 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: not been his play. It's always been the injuries and 612 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: he's had a lot of them, and he's not practicing 613 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: again in this spring because he's coming off of I 614 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: think it was a torn labor shoulder pair that so 615 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: you know that certainly enters into the equation. But there's 616 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: no reason for Derwin James at this point other than 617 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: the fact that he's been hurt and may want to 618 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: get paid now lest something else happen. No reason to 619 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: think he's not going to be on that same level. 620 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: I think the Chargers are going to be a really 621 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: interesting team for a variety of reasons. I think that 622 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: you know, there was a newness to Brandon Staley a 623 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: year ago. There's a way that he approached you. Everybody 624 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: focused on like the going forward on fourth downs and 625 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: things like that. The defense was not consistently as good 626 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: as I'm sure Brandon Staley wants it to be. But 627 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: you see so many parts, and you added Khalil Mack 628 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: to that group as well. Offensively, you would think justin 629 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: Herbert just continues to get better and or as you 630 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: move forward here. That's why that's the division. I've been 631 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: saying this since you know, the trades remained back in March. 632 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, there's always a division, maybe two in a 633 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: given season. Like every single game that those teams play, 634 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: you're like, why I gotta see that one, I gotta 635 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: watch this. I hope those games are you know, the 636 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: Sunday night or Monday night where there's not ten other games, 637 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: all sort of stuff going on. What what match up 638 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: don't you want to see in the a f C 639 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: West Every time I would it's gonna be I want 640 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: to see that game. Yeah, so answer me this. I 641 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: we talked about this on an episode. I was talking 642 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: to this with Bucky and said, if you go back 643 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: to our childhood, like early nineties, I believe you had 644 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: in a period of like five years, you had three 645 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: teams from the NFC East wins Super Bowl. Yeah. And 646 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: if I was going to draft a division where I 647 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: thought they were capable of multiple teams winning Super Bowls 648 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: over the next five years, and take the f C 649 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: West and the only team that didn't win was the Eagles, 650 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: which is the team I was rooting for at the time. 651 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: But it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. Um. I think 652 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: I just Colley may have overheard me, Colly Wolf, and 653 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: that that's done her to her core. Um. Yeah. And 654 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: and one of the one of these teams is not 655 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: gonna have a good record. That's like I'm saying, it's 656 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: impossible somebody's going seven and ten, But I can't spot 657 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: it right now. I mean, maybe maybe the Raiders because 658 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of new parts and a lot 659 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: of new maybe, but it's tough for me to look 660 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: at that D ten. That will be the biggest story 661 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: in the biggest disappointment in the end, But there's gonna 662 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: be you could say the same thing about every other 663 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: team in that division, if any team in that division. 664 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: When seven games next year, it's a major storyline of 665 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: major failure, right, And we're asked to talk about it, 666 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: and we're asked to project and and certainly that's what 667 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: we're doing here, and we're doing it because this is 668 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: what we do. But I almost kind of want to go, 669 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: Can I just watch it? Can I just let it 670 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: play out? Like just like do I have? But we're 671 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: certainly gonna talk about you about it, and that's part 672 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: of the fun of it, and we'll do that all 673 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: throughout training camp. But let's get it underway. They're all 674 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: gonna be great. The closest thing I would think in 675 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: the past decade was probably when the NFC West was 676 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: good top to bottom of the Rams had some lean 677 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: us in there too, when Arizona was winning, when Carson 678 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: Palmer's the quarterback, and obviously Seattle was at the absolute 679 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: height of their powers. San Francisco was also in the 680 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: Super Bowl around that time, and they had some epic battles. 681 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: That's that's the close thing I remember to what on paper. 682 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean this point a good Morning Football. The other day, 683 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: it's if that division is not the most component division, 684 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: that's a massive failure, just because now at department's our fault. 685 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: We've built it up. But every team made not every 686 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: team made multiple huge movie. That's one of the under 687 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: sould things is when you talk to teams that know 688 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: that they're going to be mediocre or don't think they're 689 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: going to be really great, there is some of the hey, 690 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: don't build this up too much. We're like, because I've 691 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: been on training camp tours and gone out there and 692 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: done interviews, finished an interview with a coach where I'm 693 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: pumping up their roster and finished the interview, goes, hey, 694 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: it's too much. Yeah, alright, because you know, and that's 695 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: one of the always the issues with first year head 696 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: coaches is sometimes you can overachieve and there's a placebo 697 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: effect of just we're doing things different, and that alone 698 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: can kind of gender some like okay, like yeah, we 699 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: got a little bit of momentum there, guys buy in 700 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: or could be like you know, Todd Bowles first year 701 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: with the Jets, they wont pen games with Ryan Fitzpatrick 702 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: and Brandon Marshall. It was in no way repulcable. They 703 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: had an old roster, they had no depth. So what 704 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: do they do? They gave Ryan Fitzpatrick a raise, remember 705 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: he held out, then they brought him back, remember twelve 706 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: million dollars or something, and like they were terrible the 707 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: next year. Like that can trick you in at times. 708 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: And so yeah, there's there's a managing expectations part of it. 709 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: But guess what when you trade for Dafante Adams and 710 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: hire Josh McDaniels, or you trade for Russell Wilson, or 711 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: you go out and you add Khalil Mack and J. C. Jackson, 712 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: who I didn't even mention doing chargers. You you have 713 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: given up the right to say, hey, let's pump the 714 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: brakes on the expectations. No, you're all in on. Let's 715 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: make a run right now. And that just that adds 716 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: to how high leverage all those matchups you're gonna be 717 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 1: in the division. All right, that's gonna do it for us. 718 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: You guys have been great with your time, so generous. 719 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: I know you're both dying as I am to get 720 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: start hands on some cheeseburgers over are you guys who 721 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: can't eat cheese, and we've got a lot of cheeseburgers 722 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: and pizza over there. Even scrape off the pizza though, 723 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: I can do the scrape off the top and just 724 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: destroys the whole thing. I don't need gluten either. Basically, 725 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: pick out a green peppers I could get there. All right, 726 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: we gotta get this guy some food. Thank you, guys, 727 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: you're the best. We catch up during the season.