WEBVTT - Ep. 103 - Author Tom Coyne 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.080 Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, presented by TF 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.760 dot Com by the PGA Tour. I am your host, 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:12.680 Shane Bacon, And if it sounds a little bit different, 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:14.920 that's because I'm in a big old hotel room right now. 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:17.040 It's not that big of a hotel room, to be 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.840 honest with you. But we are here at Quake Ridge 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.960 getting set to broadcast the Curtis Cup started on Friday 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.520 at eleven thirty a m. Eastern on FS one and 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.680 then on through the weekend US Versus G B and 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.040 I and then of course onto Shanna Cook Hills, and 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.639 that is where I'm at. 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Um I thought, of course, Called 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:49.880 Ireland was one of the most fun and and envious 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.640 endeavors that I'd ever really come across in the sense 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.920 of golf riding. And now with his latest novel, of course, 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.720 called Scotland, Tom Coin searches the home of this crazy, silly, 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.320 ridiculous game to find the secret to it. Tom, I 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.080 finished your book today, which comes out on July three, 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.480 and I gotta be honest, I got a little misty 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.040 towards the end of it. Man. This one was a 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.960 little bit more personal your life. Step like was just 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.160 straight bleeding on the pages, the good the bad things 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:15.800 you've done, and it was it was really I felt 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.839 like you really put yourself in this one. Thanks man, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.480 and thank you for having me back or having me on. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.520 I've never been on before, but um, it's it's. Uh. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.560 You've been a great supporter and have have been great 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.240 to say nice things about the books, and I really 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:34.200 appreciate it. And uh, yeah, this one is um. You know, 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.520 the title, of course, called Scotland might make it sound 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.160 sort of just like a sequel to the Ireland book, 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.280 but it's it's definitely a different, different story. I think 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:45.960 it's like you said, I think it's got a lot more. 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:48.920 It's got a lot more of me. It's certainly got 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.520 it's got everything I got, you know, I I did 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.440 sort of leave a lot on the page in this one. Um. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.200 And not to say that it's a I don't think 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.599 it's a heavy story or are um you know, hopefully 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.000 it's just as you know, funny as maybe the last 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.880 couple of books have been that. That's my hope. But um, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.600 but yeah, it's a book where, um, I had a 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.000 lot of things to be honest about and I didn't 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.279 want to pull any punches. Uh. You know, I think 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.159 if if you sort of tell half a story, you know, 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.120 the the reader knows. And uh, you know, I teach 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.640 writing here at St. Joe's and I'm always telling my 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.640 students to you will be genuine, be honest, tell it all. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:34.120 And uh and I had to listen to that advice myself, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.599 you know, and telling this story. Yeah, I mean, I 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.480 mean I want to get into the book and some 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.800 some nuggets that I pulled apart and pulled aside as 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.599 I was reading through it. But I mean, you're gonna 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.320 get this question a lot when you do these kind 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.040 of press junkets, if you will. But you did Ireland, 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:49.719 you know, you walked it. It was it was an 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.800 amazing story. And then you take on Scotland, which you know, 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.960 I mean, what does it probably mean? The whole UK 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.680 is four times the size Iron, three times the size Ireland. Mean, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.600 it's got all these these golf courses that you wanted 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.479 to touch. I couldn't believe some of the places you 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.640 went in this book to find golf. I didn't even 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.040 know they existed. I thought for a long time that, 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.520 you know, when you got north of Dornick and you 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.200 got up by Bara, that was about it. And you 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.039 proved me absolutely wrong. But how do you and you 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.320 talked about this early in the book, but just for 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.400 people that haven't got a chance, that they haven't touched 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.360 obviously now, but that that will think about picking this up, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.320 how do you go about just the the initial planning 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.040 and process of a explaining to your wife and your 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.120 daughters that you're going to do this again and be 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.719 just just the massive planning that goes into this plan 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.719 in the culture for five days is a big undertaking, right, 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.240 I know exactly. I mean, gosh, the planning was really 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.200 the better part the better part of a year, um easily. 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.640 Uh you know, so I'm trying to basically shoehorn it. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.360 I mean, the idea for this starts with I'm gonna 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.719 go over, I'm gonna play the road to and that'll 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.880 be a cool story, maybe a magazine story, you know, 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.400 And then I kind of just grew from there and 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.960 took off and then talking to friends and making new 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.240 friends and talking to people about how you gotta play here, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.520 you got to play there. Um, you know, the list 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.520 of courses just grew and grew, and I had a 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.760 map in my office and I'm putting pins in the 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.600 map of like all these different courses I'm gonna play, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.360 and and it just it just totally got out of 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.440 hand to the point where I got to like a 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:20.480 hundred and seven destinations and you know, the wind, the time, 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.440 the window of time that I had because again I'm 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:27.040 a professor, so my semester ends, and I wanted the 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.680 story to end at a qualifier for the for the 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.880 for the Open Championship. So this is, you know, this 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.680 story is my my quest for the secret to golf. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:38.960 And see, you know, I'll put it to the test 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.320 and in open qualifying, I'll play all the open courses 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.160 and i'll see, you know, what I figure out. So 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:44.480 I said, all right that I'll be a good ending 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.680 so I left me like fifty seven days to try 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:51.600 and play a hundred and seven courses. So the logistics 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.640 of planning that, um it was a full time job. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.560 You know. I was, you know, between booking the golf 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:04.520 which visit Scotland. The tours and folks were tremendously helpful there, um, 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.640 but booking accommodations, figuring out I mean on some days 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.360 I was jumping on a plane up to get a ferry, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.000 you know, to get to a tea time, then make 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.600 the last ferry back off that island that took me 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.800 to another island because that was the only place to stay. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.880 And you know there's only one flight on a Tuesday, 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.120 you know. So so yeah, planning all that stuff between 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.600 fairy schedules and and and island flights and all that, 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.040 it was. Yeah, it was a full time job. But 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.520 it was fun because you know, like you know, like 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.480 planning golf trips, like a good part of the fun 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.960 is in the plant. It is in like putting together 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:46.880 and just kind of in your head imagining how it's 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:51.440 gonna go. And um so and and I'm an obsessive person. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.600 I really love to dive into projects or trips or 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.920 books or whatever I'm working on and just sort of 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.920 that becomes like everything. So this was a great chance 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.280 to be like totally an obsessive in a really unhealthy way. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.200 It was just staying at my banging away my computer 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:12.199 and just emailing I think everybody in Scotland, um to 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.680 uh find a place to stay and find a and 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.480 get a tea time and then get people to join 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.480 me and coordinate with their schedules. So yeah, it was 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.400 pretty pretty intense. And in terms of like getting Allison 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:26.040 too st Alison as my friends call her, to get 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.839 her to sign on UM for another one of these. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.920 You'll notice that, like they like, so paper Tiger is 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:34.960 like a year and a half of trying to play 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.240 next level golf. So it's it's like five days of 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:43.080 course called Ireland um, four months um, and we're married 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.640 at that point. Ah. Then in the interviewing intervening years 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.880 then there's children come along and left two awesome little girls. Um, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.120 so the trips have gotten shorter. So this one's fifty 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.120 seven days. I mean her expectations for me. Um. You 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.920 know in the book I talked about it like you know, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.800 where do you set the bar? Like the asshole husband 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.600 bar is important. You know when you when you go 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.520 asking for something, you know, for fifty days of golf 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.040 in Scotland, you've gotta done, have done some ridiculous stuff 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.079 to to go to your wife and say, you know, honey, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.440 I think this is a good idea. And and thankfully 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.600 Allison's used to my Shenanigans and she uh and she 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.400 was all for it. Um and and they came for 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.559 two weeks and lived in St. Andrew's with me and 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.040 um which was just a really special part of the story. 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:33.880 But yeah, you know what she was used to from me, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.000 you know, fifty days and over the summertime. I wasn't 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.480 so bad. I you know, I I've thought about this 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.319 for a while and I mean, like I mentioned when 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.480 I when I opened it in Paper Tiger, But I 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.880 do see a lot of myself in you. I don't 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.360 know if that's better or worse, but you know, my 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.280 my wife. There'll be times where I'm on the road 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.040 doing work and it will be too I'm currently on 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.520 a on a three week trip quote unquote trip. It's 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.240 work trip. I mean, I'm doing three events in a row. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.320 And you know I get that I miss you text 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:00.920 and when you I'm at home and all this stuff, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.160 and I'm like, hey, you know, I'm on the road 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.480 for the job and uh. And last summer I was 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.880 on something similar and on the back end, I got 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.560 this kind of last minute invite to go to St. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:12.240 Andrew's and uh. And it does take a very special 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.880 person to be with people like us who and you 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.160 mentioned in the book have this golf addiction. I mean 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.760 it really is almost an addictive type of personality where 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.040 you know you and I'm not gonna give away the 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:24.800 end of your book, but you know there was parts 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.640 of the book where you know you had to go 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.160 hit a couple more shots, and I've had that before, 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.080 you know. I I chase the son at Nair and 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.480 I've I've done some of these things that that you've done. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.080 And it's and I think most people probably would look 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.920 at us and go, you people are are insane. I mean, 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.360 there's there's a problem with with how much you guys 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:45.480 like doing this absolutely. I mean when you're playing, you know, 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.520 and on this trip, so I'm doing thirty six a 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.480 day minimum and holds some days. And you tell that 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:52.760 to people and they look at you and they're like, 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.920 you know, they're like what's wrong with you? And and 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.760 but to me, and when I'm there, you know, it 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.720 just felt like perfectly reasonable. You know, a son's out, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.280 there's a golf course, I'm gonna go play, and I'm 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.920 gonna play until there the sun is down. And that's 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:12.080 just kind of like how I you know, that's how 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.920 I operate. So but yeah, it does take a sort 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.880 of special people to understand that about you and and 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.960 accept that about you and uh and indulge it. Really 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.880 because if I'm not playing or I'm not planning to play, um, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:33.120 I'm a pretty miserable dude, you know. So uh, you know, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.520 I don't three rounds a day. I don't pull that. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.160 I don't try to pull that off anymore. If I 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.760 can get out Saturday, Sunday or Monday Tuesday, if I 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.280 play five days a week now, I'm I'm feeling pretty good. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.679 So yeah, it's it's funny. I mean, I always I 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.520 always go to this theme when when you go on 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.800 a golf trip with your friends and and my my 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.120 again going back to my wife or you know, my 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.040 best friend Andrew's wife, or you know any of my 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.880 friends that that that have someone with them and they 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.160 always there. There's always a moment where you know, it's 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.839 day four and you're at Bannon the Dunes, or it's 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.400 day four and you're in Scotland or wherever, Pinehurst do 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.640 you name it, and you're explaining to them that you 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.040 played thirty six holes and then you guys went and 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.760 played the Part three course. And even my wife, who's 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.160 known me for five years and knows that golf is 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.160 my passion and my job and you know what I 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.479 love to do, she's still like like, aren't you exhausted, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.439 And you're like, yeah, I am exhausted, but it's like 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.959 a good exhaustion, Like I want to be exhausted from 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.040 all this, Like this is what's fun for us. There's 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.000 no better feeling than like just falling into bed after 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.960 playing thirty six holes and having a great meal or 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.319 a few pops or whatever, and and hitting the second No, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.520 when you're like back at it in the morning exactly 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.199 because you know, because because and and just replaying all 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.480 those shots in your head that tomorrow are going to 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.959 go better. You know. It's just that chase. It's it's 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.240 really it's it's it's the chase part of me that 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.080 um I mean, I think people that are probably really 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.800 like settled and content in like what they do maybe 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.560 who they are and and just kind of um might 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.440 not have this kind of pension or or understand it. 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.160 But um, you know, I think there's an unsettledness and 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.800 that that runs through this whole story of of me 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.400 chasing something and it's and it's been in all my books, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.400 and I think this is the first time that I 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.320 put my finger on it in a story and talk 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.600 about it, um, which which I hope I adds something 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.720 to it. But yeah, I'm you know, it's that that 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.520 possibility of like that tomorrow could be better, that is 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:31.760 just so um it's so wonderful and tempting and irresistible 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.800 that I can't I can't get enough, you know. So 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.440 thankfully Alison starting to play tennis, and she like played. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.080 She played a doubles match and a singles match yesterday 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.400 and then she had a clinic last night. There you go, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.920 she's got the tennis bug. Yeah, right, so she's got 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:50.720 she's kind of getting it. She's like, I just want 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.560 to play more tennis, and I'm like, cool, sare it is? 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.840 She because you were probably a little better today than 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.440 you were yesterday and there you go. 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Wings Beer sports available for a 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:34.520 limited time while supplies last. Please drink responsibly. Back to 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:38.320 Tom Coin, you know, one of my favorite ideas you 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.680 brought up early in the book was this idea of 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.640 wind and I thought it was such a smart point 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.480 to be made. I mean you, you you have a 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.320 way of describing certain things that make total sense that 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.720 never made sense to me before. And you said, you know, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.520 we in the United States, most of us, at least 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.440 are afraid of wind. It scares us. And then you 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.960 go to Scotland and you're on I don't know, let's 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.680 say day ten, and you've played in brutal weather and 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:05.720 throughout the book. Let me just warn people the weather 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.960 was not good when Tom was over there, but the 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.080 wind was blowing and you said, you know, you you 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.760 had this kind of realization moment where you went, you know, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.800 this is a natural part of the game over here, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.200 and this is where the game was created, and all 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.280 of a sudden you weren't as scared of the wind anymore. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.760 And it was a very interesting take because I feel 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.520 like in the States when we play park lay and 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.280 golf and you're hitting lob wedges and they back up 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.760 off the greens. You know, you you look outside and 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.440 it's blowing five miles an hour and it's a little 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:30.880 bit rainy, and you're going, you know, I'm not gonna 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.720 go out today. It's like to make us the best golfers, 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.560 it has to be perfect outside. And that is not 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.880 how golf was created. No, and it's it's yeah, it's 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.080 a whole I mean links golf, Gosh, we can talk 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.080 about ours, right, you know, It's just it's a whole 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.480 other kind of sport and and wind is a is 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.240 a huge part of that. And you know, yeah, the 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.880 golf we play over here, wind is like I resent 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.280 the wind because it's it's interrupting my chance to make 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.760 birdier par and and it's it's messing up my scorecard 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.840 and I wanted to have a good number today. You know, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.320 That's kind of how I think when I when I'm 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.080 playing over here. You know that I'm like, I'm entitled 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.639 to a good number because I'm hitting a good and 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.439 I feel like I'm making good choices and and damn it, 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.199 the wind is screwing up my golf ball. Um. And 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.520 you just can't think like that when you're playing over there, 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.120 you know. And there is that point in the book 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.760 where you come to accept it, or I come to 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.119 accept it. Is like, hey, man, like, uh, the weather 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.320 I had the summer I was there, was it was 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.800 it would not qualify as the summer it was. The 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.320 weather was brutal um consistently, and I just had to 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.520 get like I had to be okay with it. And 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.879 uh and and what was kind of cool is I 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.399 I found my golf like adapting to it and my 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.159 shots changing, and like I don't going over there. I 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.080 didn't really know how to hit a good knockdown shot. Um. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.400 And if I sat at the range of my club 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.040 here and tried to learn that, I don't know if 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.280 I could. But playing into the wind for three weeks, 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.000 you know, you learned to the low your body just 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.879 starts to do it, you know, like because those shots 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:06.320 that just go flying up into the air and coming 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.080 right back, it's, um, you know, it's just not gonna work. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.600 I mean because I think here, like I grew up 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.879 like learning to try to like avoid the golf course, 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:19.120 you know, like play over it, play over the scary stuff, 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.359 get to the green, you know one and uh, And 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.800 that's the beauty and the soul and the spirit of 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.400 playing links golf is that you know, you're not avoiding 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.800 the course. You're you're you've got to embrace it and 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.879 play with it. You've gotta shake its hand, and you 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.679 got to say, all right, all those humps and bumps 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.240 out there, here it comes, and I'm gonna try to 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.760 guess what the ball is gonna do across them. They're 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.919 not so scary, after all, I guess you could say. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:44.719 And they're not and once you once you're okay with 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.440 it and you're like, hey, yeah, I'm gonna put from 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.879 fifty yards off the green or or I'm gonna hit 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.960 an eight iron from ninety yards because it's it's fun 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.680 to hit a punch shot. Um, it's really a blast, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.960 you know. Uh. And you have to let your ego 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.520 go because yeah, you're hitting what you thank you hit 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.160 an iron or a driver or whatever like that. Throw 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.200 that out, you know, Um, don't be upset that you're 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.679 hitting seven iron from one ten because you know, a 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.960 three quarter punch shot is your friend in Scotland and 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.480 I and that was a shot that I learned and 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.120 I and sometimes I really even go back to over 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.520 here because it's just it's fun to hit. It's fun 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.440 to make like the right club go the wrong distance. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.440 It's a great way to put it. I always, Uh, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.960 it took me. I'm thirty four years old, and I 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:30.840 think it was just the last about year and a 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.600 half two years where I'd go on these trips with 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.920 my friends and maybe I'm a club longer than said 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.639 friend when we play in Phoenix and we go on 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.800 these trips and I almost do it as kind of 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.879 like an f you to them where they'll be like, 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:46.159 what are you hitting here? And I'm like, oh, I'm 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.520 hitting four iron and They're like, you're hitting four iron 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.960 from one sixty and I'm like, yeah, I mean like 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.800 this gives me the best chance of succeeding, you know, 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.560 I mean, that's just simply what I'm trying to do 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.760 here in the first place. And it's you're you're so true. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.200 I would love to tie the locals in St. Andrews 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:02.679 and be like, do you know how far you hit 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.879 your clubs? Because I bet they'd say now right, exactly 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.679 exactly like and you know, and it's and it's no 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.639 accident that the yardage is over there. Everything is to 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.640 the front of the green. You know, all our yardages 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:15.760 are to the middle because you don't want to ever 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:17.919 carry the ball to the middle of the green. You know, 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:19.800 you're thinking, all right front of the greens as far 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.119 as you want to go. You're probably even playing shorter 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.120 than that. Um, you know, you're trying to add something low. 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.800 So it's just all this imagination and creativity that that 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.280 becomes part of the links golf that it's just it's 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:37.399 a whole other you know mind. Um it engages your 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:38.879 mind in like a whole of our way. You know, 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.080 it's just a blast. So I wanted to get your 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.080 thoughts on golf course rankings because I know you laid 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.280 out your plans to play kind of the rota, and 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.080 you hit up some courses that people say you've got 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.120 to play, and then you hit up some courses that 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.399 you know most people have never heard of. What are 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.920 your thoughts on you know, the one through one golf 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:03.000 course rating basically the idea that still exists. I mean, 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:09.520 I think it's I think it's good and valuable and 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.960 worth doing because it's good for conversation, right, It's good 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.880 for like, uh, well I played there, and I played there, 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:18.360 and why is that ranked ahead of that? It's good 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:20.920 for debate, It's good for you know, clicks, it's good 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.600 for all that stuff. So I totally get it. And 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.199 that's good for putting the list on your wall and 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.320 trying to check a punch off the list too. I 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.720 always check it out and and try and like see 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.480 if my my cannon has grown at all, you know, 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.639 if I if I can check anymore off. But in 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.280 terms of like how I like rate courses and feel 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.960 about good, what makes the golf course great. Um, it 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:49.840 doesn't really jive with those lists at all. Um. So there, 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.280 you know, I get the need for him and uh 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.160 And like I said, I love people, love to debate them, 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:59.760 but I mean, how do you decide what, um, you know, 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.080 if if cruden Bay is better than Mirror Field or 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.960 press Wig is better than Truan, Like how do you 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.880 do that? You know? I know there are these checklists 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.280 and these shot value things, which is an expression that 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:13.960 you could probably do a whole show on, like what 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.280 the hell does shot value? What does that mean? But 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.320 you know, and so I know there's like some metrics 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.600 that go into it. Um. And course raiders take their 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.240 do take their job seriously and probably do a really 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.199 good job and better than I would because as you 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.359 see by like how I ran courses in the back 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.679 of the book, like I don't think anything any of 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.640 my top ten really hardly would show up. I mean 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:38.320 some would be like in the top hundred in Great 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.840 Britain and Ireland. But um, you know the courses that 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.720 the list will tell you are the best. Um, you 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.960 know they're not my best. You know, my my the factors, 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.359 it's it's you know, I go by my gut, you 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:56.359 know how um you know, how likely and how excited 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.680 I likely would I be to run back there tomorrow 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:00.240 if you said I had another chance to play? And 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.080 how excited would I be if you just said, all right, 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:08.560 tomorrow we're playing Turnberry. Tomorrow we're playing there. You know, like, 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.960 just can can you gauge in your gut? Because for me, 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:15.680 I'd get all giggly about there and Turnberry. I'd be like, 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.520 oh cool, um, maybe I can play press Wick when 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.560 I'm there. Um, you know. So it's all it's like 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.720 that butterflying or stomach kind of factor that and that's 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.560 so subjective. It's it's that has to do with you know, 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.639 how was your last time there, how'd you play, who'd 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.879 you play with? How was the starter, how was the soup? 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.160 You know, like there's all these things that go into that, 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.160 um that personal list that we all have. Uh So 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:42.760 in my list, I'm not trying to be like a 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:47.040 total contrarian. Um. I know, like John Garrity, it will 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.560 throws in some crazy um names in his top ten, 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:52.240 which like of course as people haven't heard of. And 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:54.800 I'm not trying to do what he does exactly, even 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.879 though our list kind of overlap, um, but they're just 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.600 I just tried to give people to places that I genuinely, 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:05.359 most honestly spelt were the days that I remember most fondly. Yeah, 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.600 and you mentioned the experiences. I mean, I I always 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:11.040 talk about this. It's and it's sad. It's sad for 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.800 people that care about how they play. But if you 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.040 play a golf course and it's blowing fifty and you 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.600 shoot ninety and you're with a couple of guys that 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.320 aren't that fun to be around, your experience is gonna 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:25.720 be what it was, you know, two days before when 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.520 you shot seventy two and it was sunny and you 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.240 were with your buddies and the soup was good, you know. 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:33.399 I mean, there's just there's so many factors that played 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:35.399 play into it outside of the fact that you're playing 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.800 a golf course. Because they're all golf courses, especially over there. 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:40.840 I mean, you can take a hole from frasing Borough 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:44.320 and Nairn and Cruden Bay and St Andrews and mix 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:46.840 them up and you know, nine not have a hundred. 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:48.560 People might not know which one is which, you know, 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.080 but it's about the experiences that you have at these places. 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:55.160 I think it's so important to the fun factor. Absolutely, 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.720 I mean and and yeah, it's all about the experience. 0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:59.320 But and I still think that, you know, I look 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:01.919 at that list like top U in Great Britain or 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.399 you know, top in the world, and I do straight 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.399 up scratch my head about some of them. You know 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.960 that that that that Trump Aberdeen, you know it is 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.399 ranked ahead of like cruden Bay. It's unbelievable that doesn't 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.240 even know. I mean, come on, that's not a real list. 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:21.480 Let's be that's my that's my issues. Sometimes there's so 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.399 many politics. I mean, and of course this is before 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:25.719 you know he was President Trump. But there's so many 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:27.800 politics that go in the fact that these these courses 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:29.560 are ranked where they are and you're like, no, no no, no, 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:31.199 have you played, have you gone and had have you 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.560 played eighteen holes there? I mean, cruden Bay is one 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.600 of the best places in the world. I mentioned frasen Boro. 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:37.399 I was listen. I gotta tell you, I was like 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.560 fist pumping throughout your book because I did this Scotland 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:44.000 golf media trip a few years back, um with Darren 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:47.560 Bunch and a crew, and I think I was there. 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:49.200 You we were supposed to meet up. That was when 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:50.600 I think that was when you were doing your book, 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:54.520 because Rue McDonald was like, Shane Bacon is in there, 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:56.919 and I was in there, and I would have made 0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:00.520 in the book. And yeah, I think you were staying 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:02.280 at the Golf View and they're in or something. Yeah, 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:03.880 that's right, I'd see I would have made the book. Dang, 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.560 I wish that would have happened. Anyway, the we were 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:08.560 playing and the idea of our media trip was to 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:11.479 play these courses that most Americans don't go play, and 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.879 so your praise for Frasenburg got me all excited. I 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.280 was so pumped up because we played it and we 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.440 walked out and we were like, this place doesn't even 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:24.000 have a golf shop, and this is unbelievable, right, I 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.240 mean that place was you know, Yeah, you play the 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.600 first goal and you're like, what am I doing? You know, 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:31.119 it's nothing, you know, it's just it's not special. And 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.600 then you get start playing over this like mountain that's 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.280 just in the heart of the golf course, and um, 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:40.919 I mean that is like true, true, you know, beautiful lengths, 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:45.600 not messed up behind any designer, old and ancient and 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.240 just awesome. That Yeah, that place is just we just 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:50.240 had a blast there. You know. That's and that's a 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:53.720 place that people skipped, um, because there is very much 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.200 the And I hope this happened a little bit with you. 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:58.040 I know what happened with the Ireland book because people 0:26:58.080 --> 0:26:59.439 have told me. But I hope it happens with this 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.359 book too. Is that golfers, you have that checklist of 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:04.359 just like, all right, I gotta play these ten bucket 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:08.000 lits before I die that they yeah, I do that. 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.600 That's great, but that you you go back or you 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.480 expand your list and uh, and you try some of 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.080 these other places, um that are a little more off 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:17.960 the beaten path. You know that, Yeah, you're gonna go 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.880 play Royal Aberdeen, but man play Murker like right next 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:24.000 to so. Um, you know you're gonna go up to 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.600 play door Knock, but please play Brora, you know, um, 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.679 And I guarantee you that you'll remember you're probably your 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.080 day of Rora is going to be more memorable as 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:37.040 great as Dornick is, just because it's such a unique 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:41.239 and quirky and unspoiled James Bray gem that uh you know, 0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:46.520 so yeah, definitely encouraging folks to go, uh, to get 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:49.359 off that beaten path is hopefully something that comes from 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:51.480 the book. Yeah, it's it's a it's a hard sell. 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.480 I actually was texting one of the best I was 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.560 texting the best friend of mine yesterday because I've just 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.919 gotten through I think it was mcrahanish part of your 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:02.200 book and and it's you know, it's something I haven't done, 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:04.119 and it's something I want to do. And I was 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.159 reading through it and you know, you're you you're so 0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:08.360 good at painting the picture of what what you've done 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.040 and how you did it, and you talk about the 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:11.879 good and the bad. That's a very uh, that's a 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:13.640 that's a great quality of the golf. But because it's 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:17.000 not all roses and sunshine. I mean there's brutal days 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:18.560 where you don't want to play the golf course and 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:19.760 you're there and you know you have to do it 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:21.879 because it's your job. And so I was texting a 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:23.720 friend of mine and you know, you get the text 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.520 back like, yo, I'm not gonna go to Scotland and 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.439 not play St Andrews and Turnbury and and Troon And 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.680 I just want to be like trust me on this, 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.880 you know, like trust me one day when you're fifty 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:36.600 or sixty, will go do that. But you know, let's 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.680 go play these courses that, um, we're not gonna see McDonald's. 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.600 You're not gonna here an American accent for a long 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:45.959 long time on this trip. And you're probably gonna remember 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.200 this one way more than you're gonna remember maybe one 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:49.880 that you go play all the places everybody's got the 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:51.680 shirts from. But I mean it's no it's no knock 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.040 that either. I mean, you want to play the old course, 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:54.560 We're gonna say this is my favorite golf course in 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.480 the world. You did this that I thought was really 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.080 interesting and it's a it's a quality that I'm not 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.960 sure I have in me. You met up with people 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.240 on your trip in this book that you've never met 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.800 before in person, and so judging by the way you 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:15.240 talk about yourself, you had to be nervous and uh worried. 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.760 I don't know it scares the right word, but what 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.880 were you thinking when you meet these people? So yeah, 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:24.320 I was totally terrified. Well the idea, you know, and 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.719 I learned from the from the Ireland book or you know, 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:28.840 you've learned something from each book and hopefully the next 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:32.320 one gets better because you learned something about the writing 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.760 or how to do it or whatever. Um. You know, 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:39.120 and I know that the story can't just be I 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:42.000 golfed again. It was great. I went to the pub again, 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.240 I met, I heard a funny joke, etcetera. You know, 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.400 it can't just be that at nauseum and and I 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.400 certainly didn't want this book to be that. And and 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:52.400 the way to make it not that is to make 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.640 the story about characters. Um. You know, the books of 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.560 hopefully all the character driven, but probably this one more 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.640 than an of the others that um, you know, it's 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.160 really a story about people and relationships. Um. And I 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.000 have golf the role that golf plays in that, and 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.320 the role that travel plays in that. I mean, travel 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:15.640 bonds people like like nothing else. Um. And I certainly 0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.040 found that to be the case in this story. So 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:19.960 what I did is, I'm like, all right, I gotta 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:24.360 invite a lot of people to come on this trip. Um. 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.320 So I started just throwing out like open invitations, and 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.480 I felt like squirrely doing it, but I thought, you know, 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.480 let's just trust the universe to put interesting people in 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.120 my path. And and just you know, what the hell 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:38.440 you know, and and and and the writer in me 0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.760 also feeling like, all right, the worst this goes, the better, 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.600 you know, like if this goes totally off the rails 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.360 and someone turns out to be nuts, um, it would 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.760 be really good for the book. So so I, you know, Facebook, 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:54.280 I'm inviting people. I went I was on Matt Adam 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.040 show on series sex Time, and throughout an invite, Hey, 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.120 anyone want to play Scotland in the summer. So know, 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.280 the emails start coming in. Everyone wanted to play St. 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.120 Andrew's and that was the time I was gonna be 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:06.560 with my family. So I was like, no, not St Andrew's, 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.960 but if you want to come meet me here there elsewhere, 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.400 let's go for it. So yeah, there were probably a 0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:15.160 dozen they were. I was met by well over a 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.960 dozen people, but eight or nine or maybe ten of 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.000 them I've never met before and it only exchanged emails 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.600 with um and I was going to spend like ten 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.200 days with them, go and and playing and eating and 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:32.040 living with him. I had a strict like no roommate policy. Yeah, 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:37.040 I gave up phone roommates like after Ireland. So um, 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:41.080 but you know, all these uh you know, unknown people 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:45.640 were showing up and uh and joining me, and and 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:49.720 thank god they did, because they add they make the 0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.520 book is kind of how I feel about it, and 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.000 and and they saved me from having to just be 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.320 a book about me, because I didn't want this to 0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:02.320 be some self indulgent like search for my soul, you know. 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:04.600 I wanted the book to be about other people and 0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.280 matter to other people. And so we end up becoming 0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:11.480 this like little team of like random misfit, I mean, 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.200 the people like, all right, so I've got like Grandma Billy, 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:19.560 who's a reader from who's a Canadian, beautiful, wonderful Canadian 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:22.960 woman living in Colorado who wrote to me about my 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.760 Ireland book, and and and so she came over with 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:30.200 her partner Geane, and I've never met her before. This 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.880 this guy Penn, someone named Penn. I never even heard 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:37.320 of anyone named Penn before. H he comes from Georgia. UM, 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.680 the director of golf from stream Song signs up. Uh. 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.000 There's a designer from Chicago, the world speed golf champion, 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:48.280 Gretchen Johnson. She signs on UM. Then I blend that 0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:51.320 in with some of my Philly crowd, who people would 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:56.479 know from the Ireland book who are Yeah, they're Philly 0:32:56.560 --> 0:33:00.040 through and through, and it's just this incredible mix of 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:04.200 of people who just would have no business ever associating 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.240 with one another if it weren't for if it weren't 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.680 for golf, if it weren't for Scotland, and and and 0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.440 what's so incredibly cool about it is is these are 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.760 like they all became dear friends of mine that I 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.280 probably text with like now on like a daily basis. 0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.960 Some of them I email with Grandma Billy like three 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.680 times a week. Still she sends gifts from my girls 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.720 all the time. And it's just become this incredible friendship. 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.560 And in a couple of weeks, we're having a like 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:35.000 a book launch at my club here Waynesboro, UM outside 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.440 of Philadelphia, and we're having like a tournament in a 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.760 kickoff party, and every single person in the book, you know, 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:45.760 aside from the Scots, every American or Canadian is coming 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.720 in for the party. I mean from Canada, from Arizona, 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.960 from California, from Florida. Uh, Everyone's going to be there. 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:55.800 And I didn't like twist their arms that, you know, 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:57.120 I just told him this is what we're doing. And 0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:01.160 everyone said, I'm in and because they want to see 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:04.280 each other again. And that's just I mean that that 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.080 to me, it just means a lot because you know, 0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.680 in the book I talked about like I got to 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:11.960 a point where I was sort of lacking like genuine 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:17.279 probably like genuine friendships, um, and connections with people. And 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.040 the great gift of this adventure for me, you know, 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.680 aside from the secret to golf and the chance to 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.239 play in an open qualifier and get to know all 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.440 these places, was that I came out of this with 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.840 people that I'm gonna like be in contact with and 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.279 be close to for the rest of my life. And um, 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.359 that's just a that's an awesome gift. Man. You have 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:39.960 to talk to me about Schibo Castle because this place 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.359 sounds I mean, I've stated some decent hotels in my life, 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.120 but I don't think I've ever stated a place that 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:50.160 even comes close to this. So you've never been, did you? 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.399 You didn't play the Carnegie Club, No, I've never been. 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:57.080 All right, well you must, so this this was like 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.080 I crossed it off my list and one I was 0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.560 only playing link score and I heard that there were 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:06.080 probably like two places in Scotland that no matter how 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.319 many strings I tried to pull like that. I just 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.080 wasn't going to get on. And I guess there's a 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.920 course of Glenn Eagles where that I wasn't that I 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:16.160 had no shot of. And um, and that's fine because 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.560 I wasn't going there anyway. But you know, when I'm 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.200 up and around Inverness and I'm seeing, well, geez, there's 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.919 this course here the Carnegie Club at Skibo Castle. Um. 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:26.800 But I was told, you know, that's pretty much off limits. 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.920 So I just shot him an email and uh, and 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:32.600 wouldn't you know, like the director marketing comes back. She's like, well, 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.359 you can't play because you have to be staying here. 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.040 It's you know, it's very much members only. You have 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.680 to be staying at the estate. And then she comes 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:42.799 back and says, well, hey, maybe we could stort you 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:44.360 a room at the estate. And I said, well that 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:49.319 sounds like a lovely idea, and don't I don't mind 0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.920 if I do that. Yeah, so I like reach uggle 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:55.440 the schedule. Um, I'm with a bunch of friends. At 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:56.920 that point I fell. I'm like, yeah, I've seen a 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:58.719 couple of days, guys, good luck at the b NB. 0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:04.040 I'm going to um Shangri law here. So it was 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:08.000 just like and I've stayed obviously me like we travel 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:09.839 a lot, we're stay in a lot of places and 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:14.120 stayed in some great places, but um never quite stayed 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:18.319 anywhere like this. I mean this, It was just like 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.080 a taste of a different kind of world in life. 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:25.080 So I show up and there's a butler waiting for me, 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.360 you know, with like a tray of whiskeys and killed 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:32.120 like waiting at the door, Mr Coin, and uh, you know, 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.799 I walk in and and and you know, there's another 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:37.520 person waiting for me to show me to my room. 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:40.800 And I'm like, well, wait, my car's out there, because 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:42.719 I didn't see any cars anywhere when I pulled up 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:44.719 to this huge manor house, I was all confused and 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.359 I thought I was lost and in the wrong place. 0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:48.239 Like no, no, your car is being taken care of. 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:50.839 Uh and like what about my bags? No, no, your 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:52.920 your your bags are in your room, Like wait a second. 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.800 I just you know, it was like spooky. It was hospitality, 0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.520 like supernatural hospitality. I get up to my room, it's 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.080 got like quarters for my butler, which I forgot to bring. 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:06.759 But next time I will bring my butler. Yeah, I 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:08.920 mean it's it seemed like you whipped on that. By 0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:12.800 the way, I totally that was a total total whiff. Um. 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:14.560 He's at home. I'm like doing nothing. Was it was 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.440 it like the big Was it like the butler in 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.560 a what is it big? What is it's not? Big Daddy? 0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:22.640 Mr Deed's the butler that just shows up behind you. Yeah, exactly. 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:26.239 Well and then well in it killed Um it was 0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:28.799 like that. So and then you know, I get to 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.040 my room and I'm like, I'm kind of hungry, and 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.040 they're like, we'll call the kitchen. You know, there's no ment, 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.759 no room service men. You just call him and tell 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.520 him what you want, which freaked me out. I mean, 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:42.200 it was so nice. I was like uncomfortable. I was 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.239 like nervous. I wanted to walk around and check the 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:46.919 place out, but I'm like, no, I'm just gonna stay 0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:48.640 in my room. And the room was so absurd. I 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:51.760 walk into my bathroom and there's like two giant cloth 0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.840 foot tubs in the middle of the room, and in 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:58.600 the bathroom is the size of uh It's just massive. 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.480 So I just like hung out and just checked out 0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:04.080 my room and there's and and there's like a guy 0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:06.440 to etiquette while you're there and stuff, and it was 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:08.200 it was I mean, this is the place where Madonna 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:12.280 had her wedding, Um so really over the top awesome. 0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:17.200 Uh it was, yeah, you know, there was. It was 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:20.000 non transactional. You couldn't use money for anything. I couldn't 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:22.680 even use a credit card for anything. I have. They 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:24.960 get I got a massage because at that point, I 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.480 played like sixty rounds in like, you know, twenty five 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:31.759 days and I was feeling a little sore. So they 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:33.560 arranged a massage for me. And I couldn't pay for 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:38.200 it or tip anyone, but um they they it was funny. 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.560 They gave me like crystal jars to sniff from, and 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.680 the aroma that I liked would like identify what was 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:48.120 wrong with my body or where I needed attention. And 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:52.320 so I'm like sniffing all these jars and everything points 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.000 to me just being like exhausted, weary and tired, and 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.040 I'm like, yeah, I thought they were just gonna like 0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:01.400 send me back to bed, but ninety minutes later cracked 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:02.920 me from like a new mole man. I was like 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.760 reborn at Skibo. And this was before we even played 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.239 the golf course and and the next morning we go 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.520 out and buddy, didn't they let a friend come and 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.319 join me And it was so cool, man, it was 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.600 just so you go into the halfway house and everything's free, 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:20.200 and they have a thing on the wall peg for 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.680 like where you'd hang your bag tag, and so it's like, 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.440 you know, it's Pine Valley, Okman and Cypress like all 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.800 all the clubs, like where members at Schebo would have 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:32.640 left their bag tag from home. So of course, like 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:34.720 we go to our bags and like rip off our 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:37.680 our bag tags and hang them up there. And mine 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.440 from McCall Country Club and Upper Derby, Punsylvania are sixty 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.840 four and uh it's it's got my driver's license photo 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.840 on the car because it's like, you know, so that 0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.600 it notes. So I didn't hop the fence. So I 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:52.480 hung it right there, right right in front of Pine 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:57.759 Valley and felt good about it. As um, next time 0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.319 I go to a massage Envy, I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.480 ask him where the own a roma jars are like 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.319 you guys stars out because they don't know what's wrong 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:11.520 with your when when my membership there's it was the 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.759 only place. It was the only place in the book 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:16.200 that was. I mean, it was the only place in 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.719 the book that didn't sound like every BnB I ever 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.320 state in Scotland. Yeah, I know. Otherwise, yeah, if you 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:27.320 if you state in Scotland, my my accommodation stories will 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:32.320 ring true. But this place was was different and fair enough. Uh. 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:34.759 They weren't all the people who worked there and you 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.160 have me there, they weren't snobby and they were just 0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:39.759 really great. But it was just I didn't know what 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:43.160 to do. When I left, I'm like, um, can I 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.680 pay for my dinner? Like where's my tab? They're like, 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:47.840 we don't have those, you know. When I asked for 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.400 a key to my door and they're like, the doors 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.160 don't lock here, sir, you know, don't You're fine? I'm like, 0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:59.120 my gosh, what is this? It sounds like I've been 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.200 to some you know, been lucky enough to be invited 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:05.120 to go play some very exclusive country clubs in America, 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.640 and I am just the type that I get uncomfortable 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:12.720 because it's so nice, Like I don't I don't really 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.200 know what to do, and I don't know where to 0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:17.399 go to the bathroom or what I can I take 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.040 my hat? Do I take my hat off? Where do 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.799 I change my shoes. I always feel just like I'm 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:23.880 out of like like I don't just I don't belong 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:25.759 to I shouldn't be here? What am I doing here? 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.200 And that's what it the way when you told when 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:29.400 you said in the book you didn't go out in 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:31.560 the Hulk and you didn't know, you didn't know what 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.640 what courtesy thing you should be doing or not. I 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.080 was cracking up because it's just it's so true. It 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:39.839 felt like an American country club. Yeah, totally. I've I've 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:43.640 had a bunch of those experiences over here where you're like, yeah, 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.400 shoes or no shoes or is that the members bathroom? 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.680 And that doesn't happen. And it's amazing for like we 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.920 think of Scottish golf for like the homeland of golf 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.560 in St Andrew's at Mirrorfield, and you have this idea, 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.080 this notion that it's going to be like really stuffy 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:03.600 um and hey Merefield they do their stuffiness with the 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:05.920 kind like you kind of wanted to be stuffy there actually, 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.719 But otherwise, I mean, dude, these are just places to 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:13.160 play a game, you know. They for the like ninety 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.640 eight percent of the clubs couldn't give a damn like 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:19.920 if you're wearing your shoes or not, or you know 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.279 where what door you wentered, or any of that kind 0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.600 of nonsense. Um, you know, it's it's it's very much. 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.799 The vibe there is is a lot more laid back 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:34.080 than I think people would expect golf in Scotland to be. 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:36.560 You should take your hat off on doors, though we 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:39.200 Americans aren't good at that. I try, I really, I 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.000 really do. I went to me, any now, your hats 0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.759 that you wear, it's got to be difficult. Well it 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.319 literally I bought a hat today a quick ridge and 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:48.960 I walked by one of the U s G guys 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:51.560 and goes, oh, well, another hat, And I was like, listen, man, 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.759 this is my thing. This is my thing. You have 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.840 like a just a hat room. I have a golf 0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:02.839 room that has now earned into kind of hat room. 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.680 So there's a lot of golf clubs, and there's a 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.440 lot of hats, and there's a lot of golf shoes. 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.040 Um that's basically it. You know, my puppies, it's my 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.839 puppies favorite room because at any point, um, at any 0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.359 point during the day, on any day, she can find 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:21.400 about seventy golf balls hidden amongst hats and shoes and clubs, 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.399 and um, she's a big fan of golf ball. So hey, 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:24.880 now it's kind of I guess my kind of my 0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:27.080 dog's room. I don't really know, but that's where I 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:28.960 store all of this stuff. And yes, I do continually 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.520 add hats, and I know it's an issue. Um. You 0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:34.880 one of the things you did in this book was 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:38.920 talk very much about your attitude on the golf course. 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.160 And it's something I battle with. I battle with my 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.279 attitude on the golf course. I feel like when I 0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:46.400 go into the round, knowing I've got to be a 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:50.040 quote unquote good guy that day, I'm pretty good about it. 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:51.880 You know, if you're playing with the boss or my 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.200 father in law, or you know you're you're trying to 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.680 impress somebody, you know, I'm not gonna get frustrated. It's 0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.479 it's the it's the comfortable groupings your friends, UM, where 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.160 I feel like my frustration still come out. And I 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:06.319 hated about myself and you wrote that. You wrote, you know, 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.200 you get done with the round and you hate yourself 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.160 for the way you act in the golf course. And 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:11.920 I think a little bit of this book, in this 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.839 trip was about trying to solve that as much as 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:17.400 it was trying to solve golf. So has have you 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:19.279 solved that? Do you feel like you're a better person 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:23.080 in the golf course? No? Absolutely, I think in the end, 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:27.320 you know, it's not a story where like in Paper Tiger, 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.239 I took the approach that I'm gonna try and solve 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:33.279 my golf via like the in a technical sense, I'm 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.160 gonna solve my golf twing. You know, I'm gonna hit 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.399 a thousand balls, I'm going to get a coach, I'm 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:39.960 gonna get on the monitor, I'm gonna do all that stuff, 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:41.480 you know. And that was I'll take that path to 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.279 getting better of golf. And I got a lot better 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.800 of golf. But yeah, this this kind of secret to 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:52.839 golf forgetting the thing this that quest is very much 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:57.720 more cerebral one year and about attitude and approach, um, 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.680 and what I learned over there and and learn and 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:06.560 in Scotland where and I do think that I've definitely, uh, 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:10.200 my attitude has turned around when it's come to the 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:13.440 way I play. Um, I think there's a whole lot 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:18.000 more I play with a lot more acceptance UM, which 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:22.120 is kind of a hokey word. But uh, you know, 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:26.960 I've come to accept a lot more things about my life. Um. 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:30.560 And and that's trickled down into my golf. Um, accepting 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.239 good and bad things about who I am and the 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.040 way I play or what happens to me on the 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:38.280 golf course. Um. That's something that like I was told 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:39.920 when I was doing Paper Tiger that you have to 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:41.480 learn to accept your shots and get on with the 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.000 next one. I couldn't do that. I was haunted by 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:48.000 my bad shot. I'm haunted by three puts. Um. But 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:50.759 I think that I've gotten a lot better with that. 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:54.319 I've gotten a lot better to with you know, kind 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:57.400 of just um, you know, surrendering to the idea of 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.160 like all right, this is the shot that I have, 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:01.880 or this is how good I am, or this is 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:03.600 what I'm able to do, and I'm going to do 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:07.080 my best with it. You know. Um, I've gotten a 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:11.880 lot more. Um, I probably just worry about my golf 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.880 less and and and that has made a big difference 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:19.800 in in my in my results. I think I'm actually 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:22.640 playing like really well this season. It kind of takes 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:25.040 a while for like you learn something, and it takes 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.400 a while for it to sink in. So it's been 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.520 a couple of years since Scotland. Um, but I'm playing 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.960 right now better than I even did in Scotland because 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:37.840 the things that you know, I learned over there, Um, 0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.839 you know, being present and just trying to like hit 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:42.359 I'm just going to try and hit a good golf 0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:44.680 shot right here, and I'm not going to think about 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.000 the next one or if i can make Bertie from there, 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.480 or the fact that I'm five over uh, you know 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:53.040 that kind of stuff. I've got a lot better shutting 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:57.200 that stuff out. Um, I'm playing. I'm trying to be 0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:00.239 be present and I'm trying to just be damn that ull. 0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:03.600 Let I'm golfing, and U when I do that, like, 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:07.000 I hit it pretty good because there's no pressure in 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:11.279 that exactly, there's no pressure in like this kicks. Ask man, 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:14.160 I'm golfing today and and I'm I'm actually kind of 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:17.480 good at this, and if I just let myself be 0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:21.040 good at it, it's gonna be so much fun. Um. 0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:24.360 That's that's yielded that that kind of attitude, which is 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:26.160 kind of like a lack of an attitude. I guess 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:29.279 it's it's it's a pretty good results. Let's take one 0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:31.680 more break in the interview. 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You get to save an additional on 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:07.920 deal times with a single use promo code teof Bacon. Okay, 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.879 last that was our last break back the time. It's 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:15.160 it's something that's helped me lately is two things. One is, 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:17.719 you know, there's there's a there's a there's a thing 0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:19.399 in my head where I'm thinking about a golf shot 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:23.799 and I'm nervous and I'm thinking about, you know, left, right, center, short, long, 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.200 all of the things that it could not be. And um, 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.080 you know, one thing that's helped me mentally, as I said, 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:33.279 I've I've told myself lately like it's either gonna be 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:35.520 good or it's not. Like there's really only two things. 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:37.080 It's like a five foot or you're either gonna make 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:38.520 the five foot or you're gonna miss it. And that 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:41.920 is literally the only outcomes possible. And the other thing 0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:46.240 that's helped me is nobody gives a ship what you're doing. Literally, 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:48.960 not one of your best friends, your caddy probably doesn't 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:52.360 care unless you're paying them, and nobody cares. Like I 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:56.400 feel like we think as golfers that people care, and 0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:59.720 we're like nervous that they care that maybe we shot 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:02.120 seven five when we should have shot seventy one and 0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:05.560 nobody cares. Not even your best friends really care, and 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.719 uh so why do we care so much? And that's 0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:09.920 something that I've really tried to kind of hammer in 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:12.880 my golfing brain that's always been kind of a psychopath 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:16.319 golf brain is like, just go play, man, Like, like 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:19.440 you said, you're out there playing, that's pretty awesome. And 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:22.799 no I mean, that's a huge that and that's a 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:24.799 sort of revelation to the book that I have at 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:29.399 one point is exactly like you said, like nobody gives 0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:32.440 a damn what I'm doing, and even if they do, 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:35.160 like what anyone else is thinking about me is none 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:39.240 of my damn visiness. And that is like, that's something 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.880 that I've been applying to my life in general, um, 0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:45.920 as like a writer and as a person, UM because 0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:48.720 as a writer, you really especially like with the months 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:50.960 that I have coming up here, there's gonna be a 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.239 lot of reviews, there's gonna be stuff on Amazon, whatever. 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:55.279 People are gonna say different things. And I've gotten to 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:57.359 a point where it's like, hey, man, that's cool, that's 0:49:57.360 --> 0:49:59.799 your deal. I'm gonna stay on my path. You know, 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:02.200 I'm I'm I'm I'm keeping my side of the street clean. 0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:04.920 You do your thing on yours. It's all good. You know. 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:07.359 Whatever you think about me or or whatever I'm doing, 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:09.799 that's fine. And I can do that in my life. 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:12.480 It's like, but why can't I do that my golf? Um, 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.279 where I do still have this hang up that like 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:19.560 this matters so much that um and the whole world 0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:21.840 is judging me, and I'm judging myself, like I'm basing 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:23.840 my worth on on whether this four footer goes in 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.160 once you get to the point, like you said, where 0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:29.680 it's like I could miss this and that's okay. Um, 0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:31.719 it's funny how they seem to go in, you know. 0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:35.680 Uh So, UM perspective, I guess is what it is. 0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:38.399 I think overall in this book. And the difference maybe 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.840 between the Ireland book or the Paper Tiger or Paper Tiger, 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:43.640 it's a little more I've grown up a little more, 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:46.879 and I think I have a little more perspective on 0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:51.160 some different things that I hope UM makes my approach 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.440 to the game a little bit different, you know, and 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.080 and maybe the people and you know, this is kind 0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:57.759 of a combo. Like Paper Tiger is a book you 0:50:57.760 --> 0:50:59.880 can read and like I think maybe you can improve 0:50:59.880 --> 0:51:01.719 your game a little bit. There's stuff in there that's 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:03.759 valuable of course called Ireland. You can read it and 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.160 you'll get some laughs and um and want to go 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.600 to Ireland. I hope, UM, And I hope this book 0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:10.239 combines a little bit of the two. I think there's 0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:15.040 some things that to actually learned here about UM. Golf 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.759 as a mental approach to it. But even like some 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:21.839 some stuff about um, just playing the game physically that 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:24.279 they maybe you can take from it. Um. But then 0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:25.759 also hopefully it's a book that makes you want to 0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:27.759 go to Scotland. Yeah, it definitely makes me want to 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:30.400 go to Scotland. I've sent like ten and eleven PM 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.680 text to friends and my dad the last like two 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:35.279 weeks as I've been kind of reading together. Next we 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:36.839 got to do it. We'll do a trip. I would, 0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:39.080 I would, I would love it. So here's the million 0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:41.879 dollar question, and and you've got to answer it. Don't 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:44.440 be don't be dancing around this now. Oh I know 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:48.880 what you're gonna ask me? One trip left? Yeah, Ireland 0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:52.640 or Scotland? Where you going? I knew you see, I'd 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.680 even talk about that in the book. Like I totally 0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:58.239 screwed myself because I'm forever gonna be asked now I 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:01.120 don't wander Scotland. Which is better, right if you follow 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:04.279 up in Ireland book with a Scotland book? Um? All right, 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:09.560 so one trip, one trip? Uh? You know I'm promoting 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.160 a Scotland book here, Shane, as I always going to say, 0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:14.840 I think I think you should probably say Scotland, even 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:17.759 though I've never played golf in Ireland and I'm doing 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.040 it in and I'm so excited about I've never gone 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:22.560 to Ireland and played one golf course in my entire life. 0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:26.719 I know, I feel, I mean, I feel like I'm 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:29.480 gonna go in. Um, I have to email you a 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.640 lot about it because I'm planning it for like twelve guys. 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:34.920 But UM, I think you can say Scotland because you're 0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.560 promoting a book. Um it's called a course called scot Scotland, 0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:40.200 so you should probably say Scotland right now. So I 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.120 will say and I will say Scotland because if you 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:47.960 said I had, if I one trip, then I'm probably 0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:51.680 gonna go to St. Andrew's. Um, That's just what I'm 0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:54.839 gonna do. Because and not just and not even just 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:58.680 for the golf, um, because St Andrew's to me, is 0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:05.960 the world's greatest town, location, place, everything, everything. It's a 0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:09.359 university town, it's a history town, it's got ruins, it's 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.640 got it's the birthplace of golf. It's got the old 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:14.239 it's got it's just, it's got great restaurants, it's got 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:18.120 incredible people, it's just everything. So yeah, one trip San 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:21.840 Andrews wins it. Um and uh and that's what and 0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:23.759 that's where I had It's funny. And I just did 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:29.239 a story um for Northern California's golf for the Golf 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:31.759 Association up there there magazine. They asked me to do 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:33.759 in Ireland versus Scotland piece, So I did it. It's 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:37.399 like a nine hole match and uh and and and 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.960 had all these different categories of like value, fun, history, 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:46.480 you know, and in that tally, Ireland came out one up. Um. 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:48.439 It's just the way the math went. It's the way 0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:51.600 into the way the ball went that day. And uh, 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:53.759 you know, if you want to do that, they're there 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:57.880 are two different kinds of trips. If you an Ireland trip, um, 0:53:57.920 --> 0:53:59.040 you know, if you just want to go with the 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:02.920 dudes and have fun one and laugh and your jokes 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:06.680 and have see crazy stuff. You know, great vistas and 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.399 great views and really you know, golf courses that will 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.799 just blow you away with drama. Um and you're just 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:15.000 there for the crack, as they say in Ireland. You know, 0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:18.120 an Irish trip for fun is really uh is really 0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:21.000 tough to beat for a buddy strip, especially now if 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.200 you're a golfer. If you're a hardcore offer, if you're 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:25.000 in the history and you really want to golf your 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:29.800 brains out, man, Scotland is, Scotland can't be beat because 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:32.520 there are so many pockets in town. St Andrew's one 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:37.799 of them, Inverness, um, North Berrick, Presswick, whatever, where you 0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:41.600 can drop anchor for a week golf your brains out. 0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:45.839 Golf incredible places, um and and never be more than 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.080 you know, a half hour from where you're staying, and 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:50.840 and and just really and and play places where the 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.520 history is so rich in the game matters so much, 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:56.000 you know, in Ireland if they're you know, the game 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.520 is a little bit younger there, and some people still 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:02.880 would consider the British game in Ireland, so um, you know. 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:07.040 But if if you're a golf head, Scotland is, Scotland 0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:08.839 is where it's at and you're winning either way. Let's 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:10.360 be honest, if you're going to Ireland or Scotland to 0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:13.040 play golf, it's it's it's you're not losing the trip 0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:15.000 if you're you're looking across the water and going, man, 0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:17.080 I wish I was over there. Um. Also, one last 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:18.640 thing I think that you and I can both agree 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:20.920 on is if you go to Scotland, just play Brara. 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:24.319 Just play. Just go play Brara. And if you hate it, 0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:27.759 if you hate Brara, tom Coin and I will ven 0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:30.799 moo you the green fee back if you hit us 0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:32.480 on Twitter. If you go to Brara and say I 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.920 played eighteen holes and it was awful, we will ven 0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:40.480 moo you your green feedback. Uh yes I will. I will, 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:45.239 but I'll use your your venmo account. Then they'll forget, 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:49.279 they'll forget about this. At this point there um of 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.520 course called Scotland July three. Make sure you pick it up. 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.120 I was. I loved it. I really did. I mean, 0:55:55.160 --> 0:55:56.520 I'm not just saying that because you're on the line. 0:55:56.680 --> 0:56:00.239 It was. I thought it was your your best book 0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:04.160 yet in a sense of interest in storylines and stories 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.440 within the stories and the people. And I obviously have 0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:09.640 a soft spot in my heart for Scotland, you know, 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:11.799 being over there and caddying and living there and um 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.080 all that, and it just it brought back a lot 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:15.600 of memories, and it brought back a lot of good 0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:18.279 places that I win in places that we've eaten, in 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:20.600 places that we've slept at that are similar to the 0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:22.239 places that you've been to in the book, and now 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:25.080 I got a castle apparently because that's the one place 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.239 I haven't been. You just have to tell them that 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:31.360 you're ready to put down the fifty grand you know what, 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:33.520 somebody been mobi that and then we'll be good to go. 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:35.560 I'll take you with me to skibo if you've been 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.440 mobile fifty thousand tom coin. Uh? And where where can 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:39.759 people pick it up? I mean it's gonna be on 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:43.080 Amazon and everything like that. Yeah, anywhere books are sold Amazon, 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.520 Barns and Noble, or for your local independent bookstore too, 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:50.200 So um, get it anywhere? And is there? Is there 0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:54.200 my last question before you go? You kept talking about 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:56.759 weight loss in the book. Have you gained your weight back? 0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:01.760 I put it all right back on during the writing process, 0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:04.560 but I was on sabbatical to Spring for my teaching, 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:07.120 and I went on a little bit of a fitness kick, 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:09.279 and I'd like to say, I'm back to my Scotland waite. 0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:11.840 There you go. I'm ready to go on a press 0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:16.480 tour and not you know, be ashamed of my loaded, 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:19.640 be stung face. I just I just was amazed at 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:21.600 how many times I read the word haggets in this book. 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:24.360 I mean, I knew people ate it, but you like it. 0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:28.440 It's unbelievable. Love me some haggas. Yeah, a lot of 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:30.760 a lot of hack stories, a lot of stories in 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:35.240 Prepare Yourself for Haggis in the book. 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