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Speaker 1: Giants Podcast Network. We welcome Walk Bovaro to the Giants Huddle.

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Speaker 1: As part of the thirtieth anniversary of the nineteen World

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Speaker 1: Championship season. Please check Giants dot Com for details of

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Speaker 1: MSG classics re airing of Super Bowl. It's a game

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Speaker 1: that will always mean the world to Bovaro. Championships are rare,

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Speaker 1: you know. I know they happen every year, but not

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Speaker 1: the same people don't always get them every year. Uh.

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Speaker 1: To play in the NFL, um, it's the epitome of

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Speaker 1: your your goals. I mean, I don't believe that guys

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Speaker 1: come into the league looking for personal glory. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's true in a lot of cases.

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Speaker 1: I think what happens is guys end up settling for

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Speaker 1: personal glory because they don't get what they really want,

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Speaker 1: and that's championships. Uh. You know, some guys would get

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Speaker 1: stuck on a team where there's just no future, especially

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Speaker 1: back in my day, you know, before free agency, you

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Speaker 1: got stuck on these teams, you know, and you were like,

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Speaker 1: there's no I got no chance in how to ever

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Speaker 1: win a super Bowl. So then they start thinking about

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, their personal stats, the personal records, the

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Speaker 1: personal glory. But I think if every if you ask

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Speaker 1: any football player you know that's made it to the NFL,

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Speaker 1: if they had their druthers, but they'd rather have personals

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Speaker 1: super Bowl championship team? And I think that the you know,

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl championship team is going to be the

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Speaker 1: answer all the time because there's there's nothing like it.

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Speaker 1: You work your whole life to get that way, you know,

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Speaker 1: to get a chance to play in that game. Um,

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Speaker 1: so when it happens, it's it's indescribable, to be honest

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Speaker 1: enough to be on on on a team that did

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Speaker 1: worry about my injuries. I don't worry about you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe sacrificing some stats and and things like that that

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think about those things. I don't

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Speaker 1: regret them anyways. And because I know that I was,

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Speaker 1: I was part of two teams that did something that

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Speaker 1: is so rare, and I have two rings to show

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Speaker 1: far it. So, I mean, it's hard to describe what

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Speaker 1: importance to um. You know, one single player in a

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Speaker 1: in a sport that as a team or anted, it's

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Speaker 1: the ultimate. It's the ultimate. And I wouldn't trade that

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Speaker 1: away for anything personal glory or even money, right. I

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Speaker 1: would take those two rings. I would take my teammates

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Speaker 1: from eighty six and ninety every time over anything. How

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Speaker 1: different is the eighty six championship compared to the ninety

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Speaker 1: it was different because six we kind of had a

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Speaker 1: sense of destiny about us. I think everybody kind of knew.

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Speaker 1: gets old thinking about those those championship titles. No. I mean,

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Speaker 1: remembers remembers. You remember my teammates who remembers you know,

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Speaker 1: too young, just watch it live. Their father, who was

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Speaker 1: So I mean we're all very well versed in that.

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody even can probably can't name a lot

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Speaker 1: But Giant fans know who was on the roster in

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that will probably last another generation or so. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's ever gonna stop. I know you've written a book,

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Speaker 1: disabled veteran broker dealer. They have a great outreach to

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Speaker 1: Street and they set him up in Koreas. And also

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Speaker 1: They have this great um memorabilio type thing, like it's

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Speaker 1: call it five D technology, So there's some depth to

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta see it to understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But people can check it out at try delics dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'm having fun. I'm enjoying that. And I'm at home

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Speaker 1: a lot with my new granddaughter, um and I'm playing

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Speaker 1: Everything's good. I'm I'm in great help. My shoulder, my knee, back,

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Speaker 1: things are good. Good. I haven't felt as good in

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Speaker 1: wish you the best luck with all of that, and

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Speaker 1: we hope to see you back at the Giants camp

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Speaker 1: sometime soon, because it is always a pleasure to welcome

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Speaker 1: eighty nine back to the home base. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. It's always good to come back. And it's

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Speaker 1: like like Mr Miri said, you know, it's not the Giant,

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Speaker 1: That's Giants legend, Mark Bavaro and don't forget. You can

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Speaker 1: check Giants dot com for thirtieth anniversary information of MSG

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Speaker 1: Classics reairing of Super Bowl twenty five. You can always

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Speaker 1: find the Giants Huddle on the website and your favorite

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Speaker 1: podcast platforms. Until next time, I'm Paul Totino. So long, everybody,