Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
Speaker 1: of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. Ready, Ready,
Speaker 1: let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez
Speaker 1: here on or Wrestling over Live. We are here every
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Speaker 1: know what that means. I always say that, but man,
Speaker 1: every day I don't even know what's going on, and
Speaker 1: today is no exception. Well, we got lots. Last night
Speaker 1: was n x T two point oh. Tonight is a
Speaker 1: e W Dynamite, the return of John Moxley and the
Speaker 1: return of Cody as well. And of course we've got
Speaker 1: the line up for tonight's show. We'll tell you all
Speaker 1: the matches there. We got some notes on raw airing
Speaker 1: on Sci Fi and February as a result of the Olympics.
Speaker 1: What were those stand up for? W W A blokes,
Speaker 1: We're gonna say when rod is a horrible number on
Speaker 1: Sci Fi, I'm sure they will blame it on the
Speaker 1: booking and claim that the ship is sinking. That's what
Speaker 1: they'll do, right, They won't. They won't know that designed
Speaker 1: a different network and thus probably isn't gonna do as well.
Speaker 1: Surely that won't happen, and the Rampage ratings SmackDown as well.
Speaker 1: Scotty too, Hattie talking about his time and at n
Speaker 1: x T and how Vince McMahon wanted the trainers to
Speaker 1: look younger because of course he did. And yes, everybody,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Gunther Stark anyway, that's gonna come
Speaker 1: up after the break. You want Texas here today, you
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Speaker 1: a special guest later on in the show today, but
Speaker 1: it won't be Cody Rhodes. I gotta figure that out
Speaker 1: as well, because I had a lot of stuff going on. Man,
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Speaker 1: I want to mention, by the way that before I
Speaker 1: get into gun thirst Stark. I would like to mention
Speaker 1: that we had an article on the front page about
Speaker 1: Cody and UH. At the end of the article it
Speaker 1: said that Cody was going to be the guest on
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer Radio with Dave Milton and Bryan Alvarez today.
Speaker 1: I read it, I was like, he is, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I texted Dave and they said, I don't know
Speaker 1: that's all about either. I thought he was gonna be
Speaker 1: at Observer Live. I was gonna text you to find out.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, neither Dave or I have any knowledge
Speaker 1: of this whatsoever. So I think I think that that
Speaker 1: at some point somewhere on a show, someone said something
Speaker 1: that was misinterpreted, but Cody Cody is not you know
Speaker 1: what I think it was now they think about it.
Speaker 1: I think that at some point when we were talking
Speaker 1: about the UH Cody Rhodes story, UM, Dave said He's
Speaker 1: gonna be on the show Wednesday. I think that was
Speaker 1: misinterpreted as he was gonna be on this show or
Speaker 1: Observer Radio. The show that we were referencing was a
Speaker 1: E W Dynamite. So anyway, there is UH. It is
Speaker 1: unlikely that Cody is going to be on the show today.
Speaker 1: Now that might disappoint some people for this show, but
Speaker 1: Adam Abdala is gonna be on to talk about the
Speaker 1: Orange Crushed books that he puts out as well as
Speaker 1: g c W at the Hammerstein and the Indie Wrestling
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, so we have that coming up later on.
Speaker 1: So right, all right, well, I suppose I should talk
Speaker 1: about gun Thirst Stark, right, is that what I should do?
Speaker 1: What's funny is um, I'll just read the article from
Speaker 1: the front page of Wrestling Observer dot com and then
Speaker 1: I'll get going here and a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the check going, oh, how long is this Brian gonna
Speaker 1: rant for? I don't know what I'm gonna do. I
Speaker 1: never know what I'm gonna do. Guys, there's no plan.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you figured that out. And on
Speaker 1: the show. So this from Wrestling Observed dot com. The
Speaker 1: end of n x T saw Walter announcing a new
Speaker 1: name for himself. Walter announced himself as Gunther after defeating
Speaker 1: Roderick Strong on tonight's n x T with an air raid,
Speaker 1: crash and a power bomb. After Walter announced the name change,
Speaker 1: Fabian Eichner and Marcel Bartel ran in and attacked strong
Speaker 1: the Creed brothers and ran in and the team's brawl
Speaker 1: to end the show. On January thirteen, at w W
Speaker 1: filed a trademark with the United States Patent and Trademark
Speaker 1: Office for the name Gunther Stark. And is also the
Speaker 1: name of a Nazi military commander during World War Two
Speaker 1: who died after his vessel sunk in the English Channel
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty four. The last name was not mentioned
Speaker 1: on tonight's show. I like to tell these stories the
Speaker 1: way that the stories unfolded to me, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So yesterday I got a random text. Because
Speaker 1: I don't watch these shows live because I'm on the
Speaker 1: West Coast, I have to watch him on delay. And
Speaker 1: somebody texted me out of the blue and said, I
Speaker 1: don't want to spoil you, but there's a new gimmick
Speaker 1: and someone has a new name. Good luck. I thought,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? So, you know, I don't mind spoilers,
Speaker 1: and shows always get spoiled for me. So then they
Speaker 1: started looking around, and everywhere I look on our board,
Speaker 1: which are etcetera, I'm bombarded with the fact that w
Speaker 1: w E has renamed Vaulter. They have given him the
Speaker 1: name of a Nazi. Now I mean listen, I mean listen.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of Nazis, okay, you know, lots
Speaker 1: of them, and they had a lot of names, obviously,
Speaker 1: but this particular Nazi was was famous enough that like,
Speaker 1: you google him and he comes right up. He's not
Speaker 1: some random Nazi. So I was like, what, wait a second.
Speaker 1: I hate to laugh about this, but like this is
Speaker 1: a new level. I mean it's not every day that
Speaker 1: you know, w W E renames Vaulter, they name him
Speaker 1: after a Nazi. Not every day that that happens that
Speaker 1: I have to admit as a new one. So I'm
Speaker 1: like what And you know, so I started watching the show,
Speaker 1: and the show starts and they announced tonight Roderick Strong
Speaker 1: will face Vaulter. Like okay, So then the announcer started
Speaker 1: talking about it's Roderick Strong versus Vaulter tonight. So I'm
Speaker 1: watching the whole show, no mention of the name Gunther
Speaker 1: Stark and uh. And then fine, it's time for the
Speaker 1: main event, and you know, the ring announcer says, coming
Speaker 1: to the ring, Vaulter. It comes down to the ring,
Speaker 1: and uh, Like I'm watching this whole show and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is like something that you know, I imagined, He's
Speaker 1: actually still still Vaulter. I don't know what everyone's all
Speaker 1: angry about. And then of course at the end of
Speaker 1: the show, he announces she's about to announce him the
Speaker 1: winner because in fact, he beat Roderick Strong, and he announces, no,
Speaker 1: the winner of this matches Gunther and then him an imperium,
Speaker 1: you know, beat down Roderick Strong, and I was like,
Speaker 1: my god, he's actually he's he's gun the stark they
Speaker 1: have they have trademarked the name of a Nazi for Rodick,
Speaker 1: for for for Vaulter. So then, you know, I'm just thinking,
Speaker 1: what in God's name? And then I started getting messages
Speaker 1: from from a number of people and uh, this is
Speaker 1: this this story is is baffling to me because is
Speaker 1: there this is literally a I can't even believe I'm
Speaker 1: saying this, but a polarizing topic. Okay, because there's the
Speaker 1: one side that is that is absolutely appalled, the w
Speaker 1: w E has trademarked the name of a Nazi for Vaulter.
Speaker 1: And then and this was not one person, I might add,
Speaker 1: I had I had several people, a number of people
Speaker 1: in fact, that don't see this as a big deal
Speaker 1: at all. Okay, and you're probably wondering, well, how could
Speaker 1: they not see this as a big deal. Well, the
Speaker 1: first argument was, well, you know the talent, he gets
Speaker 1: to pick their name, so you know, Vaulter, and we
Speaker 1: don't know this for sure, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: in in most cases what happens is they say, okay,
Speaker 1: you can no longer be Vaulter. Come up with like
Speaker 1: ten names, and then we'll pick one of them. So
Speaker 1: Vulter writes down ten names and they go, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I really like this gunther Stark. That sounds like a
Speaker 1: cool name. And so then you know, he ends up
Speaker 1: being gunther Stark. So the first argument was, well, everyone's
Speaker 1: mad at Vince and w w E, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's a pretty good chance that Voulter himself is the
Speaker 1: one who came up with the name gunther Stark. Okay,
Speaker 1: now no one said one way or the other, but
Speaker 1: that was that was the first deal. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: all Walter's idea, all right. So then the other argument was, well,
Speaker 1: you know they never called him gunther Stark. They only
Speaker 1: called him Gunther like well, they trademarked the whole name.
Speaker 1: So the thing that baffles me is, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: let's say that this was not a w w E idea.
Speaker 1: Let's say that this was not Vince or whoever saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: I got an idea, let's name him after a famous Nazi.
Speaker 1: You know it was his idea. If if you, the listener,
Speaker 1: owned w w E and somebody came up with a
Speaker 1: list and you narrowed it down to Gunther Stark, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's nobody in this billion dollar company who's tasked with
Speaker 1: typing a name into Google. Okay, right, Like you don't
Speaker 1: want you don't want some some woman to uh debut
Speaker 1: on the main roster is Jenna Jamison? Right, that's a
Speaker 1: famous female porn star. You don't want your your your
Speaker 1: superstars named after porn stars. Right. You don't want some
Speaker 1: kids saying, oh man, I like that Jennet Jamison. Let
Speaker 1: me Google and all of a sudden, you know what
Speaker 1: comes up? That doesn't happen? Right? You would think that
Speaker 1: they would want to make sure that whatever name somebody
Speaker 1: came up with was not like an infamous name. I
Speaker 1: would go as far as to say that Gunther Stark
Speaker 1: would be an infamous name. So the first question is
Speaker 1: you're telling me that nobody bothered to google the name
Speaker 1: Gunther Stark. Okay, well, then maybe you know, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about why it's possible no one bothered to google
Speaker 1: this name. So in you know, you trademark that, you
Speaker 1: go all the way to trademarking the name of this Nazi,
Speaker 1: and then of course word gets out that you trademark
Speaker 1: the name of a Nazi. So you're telling me that
Speaker 1: to avoid controversy, your plan is not to save Walter.
Speaker 1: We need a different name. But it said ago, Well
Speaker 1: we'll just call him Gunther. There's more I'll get you
Speaker 1: after the break Observer Live. I can't even believe here.
Speaker 1: I'm still going here. Michael Joy is here at some
Speaker 1: point here. But I look on the chat here and
Speaker 1: I gotta going, Well, he's not a famous Nazi. Bro Listen,
Speaker 1: he's not Adolph Hitler. Okay, but how many Nazis do
Speaker 1: you think there were? Okay, plenty of them. If you
Speaker 1: google her name, nothing's gonna come up. You google gunt
Speaker 1: Stark's name and it comes up immediately. Of course, now
Speaker 1: you have to search back a few pages because now
Speaker 1: when you google gun Their Stark it's all w w
Speaker 1: E in stories about w w E. But anyway, the
Speaker 1: point of this is, again, if it were your company
Speaker 1: and someone came up to you and they wanted to
Speaker 1: be named Gunther Stark, A, no one googles it, and
Speaker 1: b when you start to get blowback from fans, you
Speaker 1: don't just give him a totally different name, but you
Speaker 1: keep the Gunther. Now it's okay, that's the idea here.
Speaker 1: Then people arguing that, I'm like, well, what if what
Speaker 1: if you'd come up to you and said I want
Speaker 1: to use the name Adolph Hitler, Joseph Goebbels, Are you
Speaker 1: okay with that one? Benito Mussolini because his favorite baseball
Speaker 1: player was Benito Santia. No, they get no, get nothing
Speaker 1: on this. No idiot spittake. Somebody banned spittake. He goes,
Speaker 1: you know, Gunther is a common German name, right, Well, yes,
Speaker 1: but they didn't trade mark Gunther. I am the trademark
Speaker 1: Gunther Stark. And the chances are, since they trademarked the
Speaker 1: whole name that if they hadn't gotten blowback, he would
Speaker 1: have been gun Thur Stark. But they got blowback, and
Speaker 1: so they dropped the Stark part so do you. That
Speaker 1: makes it okay. So if if if Walter came up
Speaker 1: to and he goes, hey, you know what, I got
Speaker 1: a great name for a character, Adolf Hitler. All right,
Speaker 1: let's trademark Adolf Hitler for entertainment purposes. Because when you
Speaker 1: do a trademark, that's what it's for. So you trademark
Speaker 1: Aidolf Hitler and then fans go, what you trademark the
Speaker 1: name Adolf Hitler for entertainment purposes And they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed now as a company, Well we'll just call
Speaker 1: him Aidolf. Now that's okay. M interesting. They get no
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. I don't care if Walter wanted
Speaker 1: to call himself that you still have to go through.
Speaker 1: If I say something on air, I'm gonna be named
Speaker 1: as part of the lawsuit. But if somebody wants to sue,
Speaker 1: they're coming after Brian, okay, because that's where the buck stops.
Speaker 1: So that's how that works, and it's they were the
Speaker 1: ones responsible for this, and they're the ones that actually
Speaker 1: went ahead and trademarked the whole name. And if it
Speaker 1: wasn't people yesterday, a couple of people kind of cringed
Speaker 1: when I said, you know a lot of the old
Speaker 1: white guys that prop up Martin Luther King and they
Speaker 1: never actually make their way past that, and they look
Speaker 1: at that as this is what we know about culture
Speaker 1: and race, and then everything else be damned like actual
Speaker 1: real issues. And this is how we end up with
Speaker 1: crime time and Mexic cools and Hirohito. Do you remember
Speaker 1: that one, Brian? Do you remember Hirohito were two ace yes,
Speaker 1: Kenzo Suzuki and do you know why they stopped that?
Speaker 1: They got blowback, and do you know how they responded
Speaker 1: to that blowback? Apparently Vince was pissed that he got
Speaker 1: blowback for this wonderful idea of Hirohito as the Kenzo
Speaker 1: Suzuki is his grandson looking for revenge on you know,
Speaker 1: the bombs being dropped on America. He's gonna take this
Speaker 1: out on wrestlers. They get no benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: because of how they've done everything. This was not an
Speaker 1: oversight or a mistake. Obviously it was. But I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: When you continue to play these games and you continue
Speaker 1: to do the things that you've done, sorry, you get
Speaker 1: no benefit of the doubt for this. And bottom line
Speaker 1: is it's a sloppy shop anyway, because even if everything
Speaker 1: you take it at face value, that this is because
Speaker 1: more than one person has said to me, well, what
Speaker 1: if Gunter really wanted this, that's fine, but somebody's got
Speaker 1: a sign off on all of these things. On top
Speaker 1: of the fact it's a stupid idea. I care if
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be Walter. He's been Walter on
Speaker 1: the Royal Rumble, he was Walter for the entire show.
Speaker 1: Why now, why? Now? You know, I gotta add one
Speaker 1: thing here because somebody made a good point there in
Speaker 1: the h in the chat. And this is also a
Speaker 1: chance to get a plug in if you're in the
Speaker 1: bottle area. We got a yoga studio he've opened up
Speaker 1: in conjunction with thekarate and jiu jitsu school. So if
Speaker 1: you want to do some yoga and bothel free trial
Speaker 1: and go to cedar tree yoga dot com. What does
Speaker 1: that have to do with all of this, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: So when we uh, when we decided we were gonna
Speaker 1: branch out to do this studio, Uh, the guy that
Speaker 1: owns the school says, well, what do you want to
Speaker 1: use for a name? And so does this sound familiar?
Speaker 1: What do you want to use for a name, and
Speaker 1: so we had to think of some names, and uh
Speaker 1: we we thought. I got an idea about cedar Tree Yoga,
Speaker 1: and the first thing this guy said was, well, we don't.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to google it, because before you can
Speaker 1: register it as a business name, you have to check
Speaker 1: to see if there's any other Cedar Tree Yoga in
Speaker 1: the state of Washington. So this, by the way, this
Speaker 1: kind of you know, the idea that oh, well, you know,
Speaker 1: someone came up with the name gunser Stark and nobody
Speaker 1: bothered to google it before the trademark did. That's impossible
Speaker 1: because before you go to trademark the name, you need
Speaker 1: a Google to see if there is another gun th
Speaker 1: Stark or whatever name you came up with. So, in fact,
Speaker 1: the idea that oh, we didn't know until after it
Speaker 1: was trademarked, no, you would have had to have googled
Speaker 1: the name before you can go to try to apply
Speaker 1: for a trademark for the name. Oh my, the way
Speaker 1: ties into another nx T story. I got material for
Speaker 1: hours today. So then we had, you know, I had
Speaker 1: the people yesterday going on maybe they didn't know or
Speaker 1: or you know, you do realize that this name company
Speaker 1: that didn't know that Adam Cole's contract expired, and and
Speaker 1: all of these other clerical errors, which stems from a
Speaker 1: situation like two thousand seven when the Rocks contract expired.
Speaker 1: They let the Rocks contract expire and when asked, they
Speaker 1: claimed it was a clerical error. MH. So anyway, they've
Speaker 1: had a lot of clerical errors lately. Meanwhile, that was
Speaker 1: a sour time between the two parties. But the point
Speaker 1: is they have had legitimate clerical errors, like you know, whoever,
Speaker 1: I think it was Kenyan Seamen actually was the guy
Speaker 1: that woke up and realized that, you know, Adam Cole's
Speaker 1: contract was expiring far earlier than they realized. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think you got fired over that or anyway, it
Speaker 1: was a big to do. But there have been many
Speaker 1: legitimate clerical errors in this billion dollar company. So the latest,
Speaker 1: I don't know this is a clerical error or not,
Speaker 1: but you realize On n x T two point oh
Speaker 1: last night, besides the debut of Nazi commander gun their Stark,
Speaker 1: they also announced a women's Dusty Cup. But they have
Speaker 1: no teams. They haven't figured out, they haven't figured out
Speaker 1: who's even gonna be in this tournament. You know who
Speaker 1: returned on the show last night out of the blue,
Speaker 1: Rockel Gonzalez. You do real is that she's on her
Speaker 1: way out and uh they had to bring her back
Speaker 1: because they have no teams for a tournament that they announced.
Speaker 1: So they're trying to figure out and I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about like you know, a long time ago. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about today, who is going to be in this tournament.
Speaker 1: We have announced a tournament, but we have no teams.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you want to argue that maybe
Speaker 1: you know, with this whole gun there Stark thing one
Speaker 1: hand didn't know what the other hand was doing. I mean,
Speaker 1: there is evidence for that because we didn't announce a
Speaker 1: tournament for women with no women. But considering the main
Speaker 1: roster has got one tag team for the Tag Team
Speaker 1: Championship and then nobody else. The person want to know
Speaker 1: who's duty company. We're talking about the n x T
Speaker 1: Women's Dusty Cup. They don't have enough teams. They were
Speaker 1: discussing bringing down Rhea Nikki, who broke up. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that one's out, but I would put
Speaker 1: nothing past them because they need somehow get you know,
Speaker 1: eight teams, right, eight teams one too, at least eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they need sixteen women. They need eight female take
Speaker 1: teams that they don't have. So that's why you don't
Speaker 1: have brackets, because they don't have any teams for a
Speaker 1: tournament that they already announced on television. Do you think
Speaker 1: Sirey is gonna team with the spirit of her grandmother? Yes, siree.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are mad about sire But Sailor Moon,
Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't seen what her actual entring gimmick was.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that's what she actually wears for street clothes.
Speaker 1: We don't know this, But yes, she's back. She explained,
Speaker 1: I could never win, so I left and went home.
Speaker 1: But now I'm now I'm back, she says. Now she'll
Speaker 1: be a winner. And she found some pendant that her
Speaker 1: her strong grandmother once owned, and this is gonna give
Speaker 1: her strength to succeed here in n x T that
Speaker 1: in her school girl outfit, help her succeed with these
Speaker 1: t two year old men that watch this show. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it will help or succeed with them. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's right up there, Alley. I'm sure somebody in
Speaker 1: creative is around that age, A couple of them in fact,
Speaker 1: that are around that age coming up with that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. But yeah, I mean, of all the things,
Speaker 1: I just I don't. I don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't why why why Karen Qes deal? And I
Speaker 1: know it's cute, it's cute, and it's was amusing. Once
Speaker 1: I'm already done with it. I'm already done with it.
Speaker 1: I know, well, Orange Cassidy, no, I I have more
Speaker 1: faith in Orange Cassidy the character and all that was
Speaker 1: built up before he was on a w TV. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this creation and going, okay, you know, I
Speaker 1: just they have nothing but losers on the main roster,
Speaker 1: Guys and women that can't hold onto their money, people
Speaker 1: who don't know how to win, people who don't know
Speaker 1: to have how to have friendships and relationships. I mean,
Speaker 1: they are doing a great job in n XT and
Speaker 1: getting people ready for the type of characters who are
Speaker 1: going to be on the main roster, that's for sure,
Speaker 1: except with a lot more, a lot less experience that
Speaker 1: Creed Brothers, Brooks and Jensen or whatever the hell they're
Speaker 1: called match. It was ugly, you know, it was. It
Speaker 1: could have been a lot worse. But I see, you know,
Speaker 1: four guys in there. They're just basically clubbing and thundering
Speaker 1: with each other, and it's like, God, bless you know,
Speaker 1: seeing those guys on the main roster. You know they
Speaker 1: get called up. Randy weren't gonna want to get thrown
Speaker 1: around by the Casper brothers. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I look at I look at what they're developing, and
Speaker 1: I just I cringe. And it's not this talent's fault.
Speaker 1: You can see there's a lot of puppies with big paws.
Speaker 1: It's just unfortunate that they're gonna be locked in a
Speaker 1: box and they're not gonna be able to develop in
Speaker 1: most cases. Back at the moment, everybody Obserer Live look
Speaker 1: in the show. Bran Eva is here Wrestling Observer Live mixuperviv,
Speaker 1: also of Wrestling Observer dot Com. Adam abdalls here on
Speaker 1: the show today talking g c W Orange Crushing much more.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Adam, Hey, guys, thank you for having me. Hey,
Speaker 1: are you gonna do an Orange Crush about gunther Stark?
Speaker 1: I'd love to do one about Vaulter, but gunther Stark
Speaker 1: and I don't know, man, I don't think that's gonna
Speaker 1: sell a lot of copies. The Adventures of Gunther Stark.
Speaker 1: Not to my current audience. It's weird. It seems to
Speaker 1: be going into this weekend. Game Changer Wrestling has a
Speaker 1: little bit more positive momentum than n x T or
Speaker 1: really anything taking place in w w E that doesn't
Speaker 1: have Brock's name on it. J W ever use a
Speaker 1: Nazi character just out of curiosity. Has g c W
Speaker 1: or j c W Not to my knowledge, no or
Speaker 1: j c W. I guess there is a guy on
Speaker 1: the Indians up in Jersey called Crazy Ivan many many
Speaker 1: years ago. There might have been iteration of j c
Speaker 1: W that he participated in, but that was long before
Speaker 1: my involvement. Well, let's talk about this. This show coming
Speaker 1: up this weekend. This is a it's a big one
Speaker 1: pay per view. Absolutely, it's uh, you know, the largest
Speaker 1: crowd of the modern era at the Hammerstein ball Room.
Speaker 1: I believe Wrestle Ticks clocked it at two thousand and
Speaker 1: five tickets. Salt um. It's gonna be on Fight TV
Speaker 1: but also traditional pay per view for the very first time.
Speaker 1: I think it's a watershed moment for independent wrestling. So
Speaker 1: the return of Mocksley is happening tonight, but unless he wrestles,
Speaker 1: this is his first match since, uh since he took
Speaker 1: a leave of absence from wrestling, so that has to
Speaker 1: be exciting. Yeah, it's super exciting. I mean John Moxley's
Speaker 1: who was also on the cover of Orange Crush Volume two,
Speaker 1: um is you know g c W World Champion, So
Speaker 1: it's obviously fitting that he would defend the belt on
Speaker 1: the biggest show in the company's history, and we're really
Speaker 1: excited to have him back. Not only is it going
Speaker 1: to be a big weekend obviously for g CW for
Speaker 1: running the Hammerstein, one of the most interesting things to
Speaker 1: me was actually this creation of the Indie Rustling Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, which you know, it doesn't I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's going to be a physical version of this,
Speaker 1: but I love the idea for a weekend on the
Speaker 1: big show, you get to pay homage to so many people,
Speaker 1: and there's so many people that over the years are
Speaker 1: going to be able to how did this thing come about,
Speaker 1: how did you get involved in it? And is this
Speaker 1: something we're going to be seeing every year? Does this
Speaker 1: and does this mean we're going to be getting a
Speaker 1: Hammerstein Show every year from g CW. Well, I can't
Speaker 1: confirm that, but I can tell you that given the
Speaker 1: success of the Hammerstone Show, Brett Um as well as
Speaker 1: other people on the team, including myself, really wanted to
Speaker 1: create a moment to honor the legends of independent wrestling
Speaker 1: that help us get to this moment um. So we
Speaker 1: decided to have our own banquet at the Cutting Room
Speaker 1: in New York City on Saturday night and really think
Speaker 1: about a diverse group of workers who have kind of
Speaker 1: left their mark on the business, both in the ring
Speaker 1: and outside. So, UM, we're excited. There has been talk
Speaker 1: about a physical version of this that Brett's working on, UM,
Speaker 1: but that's something probably not in the immediate future. You're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna have a physical hall of Fame before
Speaker 1: w W E has a physical hall of Fame at
Speaker 1: this point, I think that's probably likely. UM. But and furthermore, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I I think, um, it's probably very likely
Speaker 1: that we will do this every year moving forward, at
Speaker 1: least the Hall of Fame. I can't speak for Hammerstein.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a big commitment and that's really Brett
Speaker 1: Lauderdale's decision. But you know, Orange Crush and g CW
Speaker 1: are definitely committed upholding the Gadee Hall of Fame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over these matches here and I want
Speaker 1: you to tell us all a little bit about them.
Speaker 1: Is a preview for this coming weekend, John Moxley and
Speaker 1: Homicide for the g c W Championship. Yeah so, uh,
Speaker 1: Homicide one um a special kind of royal rumble style
Speaker 1: match on the last g c W show on New
Speaker 1: Year's Day to earn a shot at the g c
Speaker 1: W World title. Um. I think we all remember when
Speaker 1: Homicide won the Ring of Honor World Championship in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six at Final Battle against Brian Danielson and
Speaker 1: the legendary match. So you know, how fitting is it
Speaker 1: for Homicide, who is kind of one of the legends
Speaker 1: of independent wrestling, Who's gonna be inducted into the Indie
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame by Chris Dickinson on Saturday night. Um
Speaker 1: to have like one last shot, uh, in one of
Speaker 1: the biggest indie shows of all time at the world
Speaker 1: title against you know, we're the biggest stars in the world.
Speaker 1: We got Jonathan Gresham defending the r O Wage title
Speaker 1: against Blake Christian and this footage will eventually be airing
Speaker 1: on Ring of Honor television, right, I believe So, I
Speaker 1: think I think g c W and Ring Honor have
Speaker 1: a deal in terms of being able to syndicate the
Speaker 1: title matches that take place at the shows. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be an incredible technical wrestling match. UM. Last
Speaker 1: weekend in Chicago, Blake Christian actually defeated Bandido, who is
Speaker 1: the kind of linear or you know on crowned Ring
Speaker 1: of Honor Champions since he had COVID prior to his
Speaker 1: final defense. So you know, in theory, this is really
Speaker 1: kind of determined who the legit world champion. As a
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, We've also got Gringo Loco Flamita and
Speaker 1: r Rez versus Bandido as f and Laredo Kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this this is gonna be you know, I mean, Brett
Speaker 1: Lauderdale is a huge fan of Luca Liebra. I don't
Speaker 1: if you saw this, and but we actually announced um
Speaker 1: in February, Moscara Dorada will be debuting in GCW as
Speaker 1: well as his ninety days are up. Um, so you know,
Speaker 1: he's a huge fan of Lucha Libre. Some of the
Speaker 1: best matches in the history of the promotion have been
Speaker 1: Luca Libre six man tags, including an amazing match at
Speaker 1: a show called Two Cups Stuffed a few years ago
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Um, and I think this is gonna just
Speaker 1: blow people away. We've got Allie Catch and Ruby Soho. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ali Catch, you know, this is her dream match, she
Speaker 1: called her shot. She put out a video on social
Speaker 1: media that was directed and produced by John Carla Diomo
Speaker 1: that did probably over a hundred and fifty views. Um,
Speaker 1: that kind of mirrored the Ruby Soho introductory video to
Speaker 1: a W and people are super psyched for this matchup.
Speaker 1: It's got a tremendous amount of buzz and we're excited,
Speaker 1: excited for Alie to have her moment. You know, this
Speaker 1: show has a lot of kind of parody between like
Speaker 1: the stars of g c W who have helped get
Speaker 1: us and helped help Brett, you know, get his company
Speaker 1: to this moment with kind of you know, mainstream stars
Speaker 1: and helping elevate their stars. So I think that's it's
Speaker 1: a cool duality Joey Janella and Matt Cardona. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've been following the storyline online, but essentially, um,
Speaker 1: there's been kind of a very parallel storyline to the
Speaker 1: WrestleMania eight UM storyline between Riclaire and Mandy Savage, where
Speaker 1: Joey Janella Um exposed photos of him and Chelsea Green
Speaker 1: that took place prior to their recent weddings. Um, but
Speaker 1: quite literally are very similar to the photo. I hope
Speaker 1: these are photos the same way they were in uh.
Speaker 1: I forget the term that they used in in in
Speaker 1: because prior to photoshop. But I think that wants these
Speaker 1: things photo shop. I don't know if they are though,
Speaker 1: we don't. Yeah, we don't know, that's question, right. So
Speaker 1: there's been a lot lot of heated back and forth
Speaker 1: between Joey and Matt Cardona. They also had a wild
Speaker 1: brawl um at Super Gabby's like uh storage facility in
Speaker 1: New Orlando, because both Joey and Matt are kind of
Speaker 1: famed like toy collectors that you know was released earlier
Speaker 1: this week, you know, in the same vein of like
Speaker 1: stone called Tivoston and Book of t at the supermarket.
Speaker 1: So I think, um, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: buzz online for this match. There's a lot of really
Speaker 1: fun promo is going back and forth, and I think
Speaker 1: it may just steal the show. Oh yeah, doctored photos
Speaker 1: was how they described it. They had been doctored. Well,
Speaker 1: hey have photo doctor. We got the Briscos Open Challenge
Speaker 1: for the g c W Tag team titles. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Briscos have been coming in hard since uh since joining
Speaker 1: uh g c W. They won the CIPPI Tag team
Speaker 1: titles and they very first matched tank Out, Matt Justice
Speaker 1: and man Swarner. And you know, I don't know who
Speaker 1: they're facing. You know, Brett keeps it very close to vest,
Speaker 1: but they've gone absolutely nuts every time out and I
Speaker 1: expect expect no less at the Hammerstein bar Room. Actually,
Speaker 1: the last time I saw them there they wrestled um
Speaker 1: Tongaloa and Tomatonga in like a classic match. So now, Adam,
Speaker 1: I look, a w's in Washington, d C. Which is,
Speaker 1: you know, very very close geographically to Sussex County, Delaware.
Speaker 1: I'm just do we know where FTR is right now?
Speaker 1: Do we know where the Briscoes are right now? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean FTR is probably getting ready for Dynamite tonight, Mike, Yeah,
Speaker 1: imagine the TV. Can I imagine the Briscoes are at home?
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know. I don't work for
Speaker 1: at W. I don't see asking where the chop and
Speaker 1: roll expresses, Mike, Well, because one of yours, right, I
Speaker 1: guess one of us is right here, But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean nothing. Hey, you know what an airplane it means. Actually,
Speaker 1: Adam can tell you about the kickoff match, which I
Speaker 1: think you would be keenly interested in, since there's somebody
Speaker 1: who's uh whose son is going to be wrestling in there,
Speaker 1: who you're very familiar with. Talk about this ladder match here, No,
Speaker 1: not the ladder match. The ladder match. We do have
Speaker 1: a grab the brass ring ladder match. But what Mike
Speaker 1: is referring to is our scramble match on the PBR
Speaker 1: Kickoff Show, Nick Wayne. Yeah, So, so what happened was,
Speaker 1: I've got the lineup here, but it does not include
Speaker 1: the kickoff match. So I was looking through the lineup,
Speaker 1: but I didn't see Nick's name, and so I didn't
Speaker 1: know if I should ask on the air or not
Speaker 1: if he was actually gonna do the show, because I
Speaker 1: knew he was gonna do the show anyway. So he's
Speaker 1: on the show. He's just in the scramble match. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nick Wayne versus Jack cart Whale versus Alexane versus Ninja
Speaker 1: Mac versus Dante Leone versus New York Legend the grim
Speaker 1: reef So Show, which will be by the way live
Speaker 1: and free on YouTube. Yeah, so, if you want a
Speaker 1: free taste before the pay per view, check out the
Speaker 1: scramble match, check out the PBR kickoff. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: give you a real kind of sense of the atmosphere
Speaker 1: and as well as the type of action you can expect.
Speaker 1: I'm GCW pay per view. So this ladder match is
Speaker 1: Jordan Oliver, Jimmy Lloyd, Alex Cologne, Leo Rush p c
Speaker 1: O and Tony Deppen. Correct, And there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of confusion online because you know a W adapted the
Speaker 1: Grabbed the Brass Ring gimmick um with Scorpio sky one
Speaker 1: earlier this year. But actually this gimmick was first introduced
Speaker 1: at Joey Janelle's Lost in New York in two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: with the winner getting to pick their shot at spring
Speaker 1: break and in this iteration, I believe the winner can
Speaker 1: pick their shot anytime, anywhere. And finally we have Effie
Speaker 1: and Jeff Jarrett. Absolutely Jeff Jared has been on a rampage.
Speaker 1: He's returned to professional wrestling and g c W UM
Speaker 1: in a very aggressive way, dressed in all black, um
Speaker 1: stalking some of GCW's top talent. I mean, he has
Speaker 1: referred to him as a cloud vampire trying to stay
Speaker 1: relevant by you know, kind of trying to squeeze their juice,
Speaker 1: so to speak. Effie had denied the match up until
Speaker 1: last week, but Jeff Jarrett actually attacked Ali Cat in
Speaker 1: Chicago when EFFI was actually not on the show, um
Speaker 1: and finally pushed them too far. So they're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna cooke it out at the Hammerston. And I'm real quick.
Speaker 1: We've mentioned a lot of those younger names that are
Speaker 1: on the come up for g c W. I just
Speaker 1: thinkuse cog are not announced for a match yet, but
Speaker 1: is a focal piece of that future. Jordan Oliver is
Speaker 1: going to be in a match, I guess. Just very
Speaker 1: quickly talk a little bit about the young guys and
Speaker 1: g c W, as well as what you're doing with
Speaker 1: j c W as a sister promotion. Yeah, so technically
Speaker 1: my involvement with g CW is that I am the
Speaker 1: co owner and partner in j c W, which is
Speaker 1: on the sister promotion of Game Change of Wrestling. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of overlap in terms of kind of
Speaker 1: like are undercard wrestlers, a lot of our younger wrestlers.
Speaker 1: And I'm also technically the New York promotional partner for GCW,
Speaker 1: so I'm partners and putting on the show in New
Speaker 1: York City. So um. You know, there's so many fantastic
Speaker 1: talents on the independence these days that Brett I think
Speaker 1: felt the need to kind of expand and create more
Speaker 1: opportunities for um, you know, up matches just in general
Speaker 1: for these guys, UM and different geographic opportunities as well
Speaker 1: for local talents to cultivate cultivate them. So he created
Speaker 1: two promotions, one j CW with me UM and also
Speaker 1: l A Fights on the West Coast, so you know,
Speaker 1: people like Charles Mason out of the h O G School, UH,
Speaker 1: people like Everett Connors and Charlie Evans, people like Lucas
Speaker 1: Riley in l A. You know, we really have a
Speaker 1: whole kind of GCW universe that's emerging with all these
Speaker 1: sub brands and they all kind of, you know, come
Speaker 1: together and you'll see a lot of those talents in
Speaker 1: one way or another on the show this weekend. So
Speaker 1: these show is available on a number of different platforms.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that when we come back from
Speaker 1: the break, but it's this Weekend the World on g
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Speaker 1: Observer Live, Back in the show. Brian Evera is here
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Speaker 1: best of luck with everything the show this weekend. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people if you check out our
Speaker 1: chat right here very interested in UH and checking it out,
Speaker 1: you'll see Mocksley in action, the Briscos and and everything else.
Speaker 1: So best of luck and lay down again for the
Speaker 1: show sometime. Thanks for doing the show here today. Quite
Speaker 1: a day to come on, but you took our minds
Speaker 1: off a lot of things, so stark, but try alright. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks everybody for listening. Mike has always colors and listeners
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