1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Blay Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo Territory. I 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: am Mike di Giovanna, former La Times Baseball writer and 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: host of the show, and we're joined by Mark Trumbo, 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: the former Angel slugger and my regular co host. We 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about in this today's episode. 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: We talk about the upcoming series against Cincinnati Reds, we're 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: gonna break down the Angels offense, and we're gonna analyze 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: a pretty interesting quote from Logan ho Hoppy, the Angels catcher. 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: But first we're going to talk about fight night at 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: the Big A Well. 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: The brawl between Jorge Solaire and Rionaldo Lopez Tuesday night 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: was a little slow in developing, but once it got going, 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: it was quite the brew haha, with some wild punches 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: being thrown and some even landing, And probably the highlight 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: for me was manager of the Braves, manager Walt Weiss, 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: who's probably Solar's size, tackling the Angels outfielder from behind. Mark, 17 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: what do you think about the way this fight started 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: and the way it evolved. It didn't look like anything 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: was gonna happen, then boom fists or flying. 20 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: I was watching live and it seemed like as the 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: game was just progressing as normal. Now, so there has 22 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: gotten Lopez a lot. He has owned him so far 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: in his career. He had already hit a home run 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 3: that game. He had got drilled the second at bat 25 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: and the third bat, uh you know, he sailed them 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 3: right over his head and then there was the kind 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: of clunky delay and Shannewell had got into second base 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: and next thing, you know, Randazzo, uh you know, as 29 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: he should is yelling and we you know, we kind 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: of brawl. We have to fight punches and I you know, 31 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: I'm sitting there watching so there and that's kind of 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: a lot of people when back, you know, the hitter 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: is John and you know, what are you gonna do? 34 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: You're gonna do something. Well, he did something he had 35 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: seen enough. And I think that they were briefly teammates. 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: I know that there was a breakdown. I believe John 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: Boyd did a breakdown h Celeroto exception to something that 38 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: was said. It wasn't exactly clear. It seemed like something disrespectful, 39 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: and you know that's this is pro sports. Due is 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: it great? I don't know the thing about brawls, it's 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: a lot, especially. 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: The bullpen's running in. What are those guys doing? 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: I mean I've seen, yeah, I've seen some that aren't 44 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks and Dodgers. 45 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 4: They had some of those. 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: Bullpen guys were heavily in the mix there years ago, 47 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: and that's what I can easily recall. I wasn't on 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: the team, but I did hear about it a lot. 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: But this was, you know, an example of a guy 50 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: that had just had had enough and we had talked 51 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: about Trout getting hit and eventually, you know, if a 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: hit or feels like he's seen enough, that is what happens. 53 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 4: Now. 54 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: Seven game suspension. Lopez I believe appealed his and got 55 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: five games. He's a starting pitcher, so yeah, it's essentially 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: not much maybe a misstart much. 57 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 4: Did did Celeira appeal his? 58 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: Do you know? 59 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 4: Yes? 60 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: He appealed it, and I don't think they've gotten a 61 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: response as of this taping, which is on Thursday afternoon, 62 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: But I would suspect he since the pitcher got his 63 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: knockdown and he's really only get at once start pushed 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: back by a day, maybe that Celeiro will probably get 65 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: his push down to uh in the aggressor. 66 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 4: I don't know. 67 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 3: I think I think maybe we'll see I don't fall 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: to either of them. I know that there were a 69 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: lot of people that talking about the ball in the 70 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 3: hand and the that was weird that I didn't think. 71 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: I think a punch, a close fist punch would probably 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: do more damage than a kind of an open hand 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: ball slap. And he had the what is it the 74 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: c flap helmet or whatever to protect him. So I 75 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: think about Walt Weiss, I will say, uh, Chipper Jones 76 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: alluded to it. Walt Weiss is a black belt. I 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: believe in take kwondo and he Jones have said that 78 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: if there, you know, we'll he'll fold you up like 79 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: a pretzel. I think one of the writers for The 80 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: Braves maybe covered an incident that was behind this. David O'Brien, 81 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I want to make 82 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: sure we get this right. But I think, hey, Walton, uh, 83 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: a former player Josh Donaldson might have tussled a little 84 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: bit too interesting. 85 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 4: I saw it on X. 86 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: Hopefully it's not hogwashed, but I think it's correct. And 87 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: wal Wise, uh, you know, I haven't seen him up 88 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: close in a few years. He's pretty jacked. Those forums 89 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 3: are business bro and that tackle. 90 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 4: Could Yeah. 91 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: I mean I saw some NFL fans saying, uh, you know, 92 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: there's a spot for him on our team, depending on 93 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: how good that team is. But a tremendous form in 94 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: the tackle. Hopefully everyone's all right, so they're looked like, yeah, absolutely, 95 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: no no issues there. But he is going to have 96 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 3: to serve a suspension, so they'll they'll need to figure 97 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: out who will fill in. And there's some some likely suspects, 98 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: but you know, we'll get through this. 99 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: This early in the season. Kind of fight like that 100 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: maybe infuse the clubhouse with energy and does it send 101 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: any kind of message to the rest of the team, Yeah. 102 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 4: Maybe a little. This one was so out of the blue. 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 3: Had it been a team that you know, a little 104 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 3: more history, a little more you know, recent rivalry, I 105 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 3: think maybe a lot more. And I don't know, it 106 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: seemed like I think ideally, like like you cover hockey 107 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: as well, I don't see a whole lot of other 108 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: you know, fight isn't a fight. I mean it's one 109 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 3: on one and usually they asked you want to go, 110 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: how does that work? 111 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: If you could briefly just talk about it. 112 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: But I think it would be great in baseball if 113 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: it was a little more similar to that. 114 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I covered a Ducks game last week and there 115 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: was a big history between the teams. I guess one 116 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: of the Ducks defenders had taken knee kept one of 117 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: the Maple Leaf guys, and they put the Ducks defender 118 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: into the starting lineup, which he doesn't usually do, and 119 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: sevens literally when the puck dropped, they dropped the gloves 120 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: and they went at it. And you know, that's how 121 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: they sort of settle things in hockey. I don't think 122 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: things in baseball are as premeditated. Maybe sometimes they are, 123 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: but yeah, well, you know, this whole thing got us 124 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: to thinking, like, what's the best fights we've ever seen? 125 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: And a lot of them are really kind of ridiculous, 126 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: but there have been a few fights that were legit. Uh, 127 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: what's the best fight you ever saw? Or maybe we're 128 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: involved in mark. 129 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: The one that that comes to mind would would be Machado. 130 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: Manny took exception to getting drilled by your Donna Ventura 131 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: of the Royals. Unfortunately, your Donald's no longer with us, 132 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 3: but he, uh he was. It was in the cards. 133 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 3: I vividly remember bucksho Walter warning Manny before he went 134 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 3: up to the plate and I was hitting behind him that, 135 00:06:58,839 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: you know, keep your head. 136 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 4: He was. I think he was pleading with him. He 137 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 4: knew what was coming. 138 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: Everybody knew what was most likely com in Ventura was 139 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: was a guy that threw inside a lot and probably 140 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: sometimes on purpose, and he drilled him, and Manny was 141 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: you know, it was a time and part of it too. 142 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: It's kind of a macho thing, but sometimes you gotta go. 143 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: I never charged the mound. I don't feel like I 144 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: sometimes the batter instigates as well. I didn't pimp anything. 145 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 3: I didn't throw, you know, try and rub in anybody's face. 146 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: So I think I got maybe a little bit different 147 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: level of respect in that regard. You know, I wasn't 148 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: trying to show anyone up. But some guys do enjoy celebrating, 149 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: and sometimes pitchers don't like that, and you know, they 150 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: might buzz your tower or put one in your ribs. 151 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: So sometimes it it there's not a lot of sometimes 152 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: you plan it. Sometimes it's just the emotions take over. 153 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: You know, this is a alpha male sport and I 154 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: just you know, of it is just so ridiculous and 155 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: most guys. One thing I noticed was there was a 156 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: kind of a decent amount of bro hugs and other 157 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: things kind of in the periphery, So that probably was 158 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: the biggest clue that this wasn't you know, some heated deal. 159 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: Well. 160 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: I was actually in Port Saint Lucie, Florida, in two 161 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: thousand and three for the great Mike Piazza Germo Motive Brawl, 162 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: after which Piazza, who was then the New York Mets catcher, 163 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: was so pissed off he's actually stormed into the Dodgers 164 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: clubhouse screaming, where's Moda? 165 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: Where's Moda? 166 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: And I was in the clubhouse when he got in there, 167 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: and oh man, that was tense. Fortunately they had already 168 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: whisked Mota off back to Vero Beach by that time. 169 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: That was pretty ugly. But probably the best brawl I 170 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: saw in person was between the Angels and Royals in 171 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: Kansas City on June third, nineteen ninety eight. So this 172 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: was just one of those games. There were I think 173 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: there were two bench clearing incidents, and the second one. 174 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: There was another beanball. 175 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: The benches emptied, and it was kind of like that 176 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: regular fight you talk about, but right in the middle 177 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: of the sort of these guys just sort of you know, 178 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: scrumming up by the backstop. This infielder from the Royals 179 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: named Felix Martinez sucker punched from the side an Angels 180 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: infielder named Frank Bullock right in the mouth, and after 181 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: that it was just a melee for like fifteen minutes. 182 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: They went at it this gamers. These fights resulted and 183 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: had to write this down twelve Jackson's twelve ejections, eleven suspensions. 184 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: And Kaufman Stadium, as you know, it's one of those 185 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: rare stadiums where the dug the clubhouses are right across 186 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: the hall from each other, and there's a foyer in 187 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: between the clubhouses. And they had to station six police 188 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: officers down on that foyer after the game so players 189 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't cross into the other clubhouse. And I'll never forget 190 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: this Phil Nevin quote after the game. He said of 191 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: Felix Martinez that dot dot should be kicked out of baseball. 192 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: If I'm catching and he steps into the batter's box, 193 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: I may just drop him and there may not be 194 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: one of his teammates backing him up. And Phil Neman 195 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: had already he was catching for the Angels, and that 196 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: night he had already been ejected, and he said, if 197 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: I would have seen that live, I would have ran 198 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: out of the field naked and killed him. He's a 199 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: disgrace to baseball. And you can tell him. Tell that 200 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: to him. If he has a problem with that, you 201 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: tell him to come see me. So there are times 202 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: when I know there was a lot of tension that 203 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: night in Kaufman Stadium, and that's a night. 204 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 4: Is that the same Phil Nevian, Dame. 205 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: Phil Nevin, who is the angel manager former cal State quoting. 206 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: He did in nineteen ninety eight. 207 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: They converted him to catch her because it's the best 208 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: place to get his bat. 209 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: In the lineup. 210 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: They had a young guy at third base named Troy 211 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: Gloss and I believe they had just signed a first 212 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: baseman name move on. 213 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: So that was Phil Nevian doing what he could for 214 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: the team. 215 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, we're gonna take a little break 216 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsors and we come back. 217 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the upcoming series against the 218 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds. 219 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 5: With over thirty five million downloads, what is the number 220 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 5: one rated ticketing app, Todd Father. 221 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 6: It's simple man seek geek. 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They will take care of you. 243 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 6: All right. 244 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Halo Territory with Mike D. Givanna and 245 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo. While the Angels open a three game series 246 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati Friday night before traveling to New York for 247 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: a four game set in Yankee Stadium. The Reds go 248 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: into the series eight and four and tied with Milwaukee 249 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: in for the first place in the NLS. Mark, what 250 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: are your impressions in these Reds? 251 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: So far? 252 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 3: They got some very talented players. They seem to be 253 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 3: one of those teams that not the biggest payroll, but 254 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: good minor league system, and so far off to a 255 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: very good start. Elie Da la Cruz, you know that 256 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: you can do it all as sixty six sixty seven, 257 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: you know, arm strength, off the sharts. I wouldn't want 258 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: to play first base with him, you know. I mean 259 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: the ball across, huge power, stolen bases, just a five 260 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: tool stud. They're pitchers. They have some really hard throwers. 261 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: They have former Angel Rock Burke pitching late innings, high leverage, 262 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 3: and I believe his stuff is even ticked up from 263 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: what we saw last year a little bit. 264 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 4: I really liked him. 265 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 3: I think that that was tough to see him depart, 266 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: and that is part of the game, but you know, 267 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: it kind of stings. I think another ex Angel, not 268 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 3: to deviate too much, Taylor Ward might be doing pretty 269 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: well for the Orioles. Which is good to see. He's 270 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: got over one thousand ops. It's early as it hit 271 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: a home run yet, but you. 272 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 4: Know, you never know. 273 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: When a guy change of scenery, sometimes it works. I 274 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: swore as the other day with the Braves, he's you know, 275 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: he er. It was a little unsightly. But the Reds 276 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: have a very promising club. They play hard. I think 277 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: they've you know, he played the Angels pretty well in 278 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 3: some of the recent years. They I know, some of 279 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: the top of their orders done a lot of damage 280 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: against them. 281 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 4: So it'll be a good test. 282 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 3: I think this one might be one of the better 283 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: ones to see you know, exactly what the Angels are 284 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: working with. I don't know why I think that, but 285 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: it just seems like the Reds are a pretty good 286 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: litmus test. 287 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 288 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: The Reds also have a pretty hot rookie first baseman 289 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: in Sal Stewart, who as if Thursday was leading nan 290 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: L with a one one thousand and one five to 291 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: four ops, three homers, and eight RBIs in twelve games. 292 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: And Saturday we'll get our second look at young George 293 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: klass And the rookie right hander had a rough, rough 294 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: major league debut on Saturday night against the Mariners. He 295 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: admitted after the game that things sped up a little 296 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: bit on him, which is what you often see from 297 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: a rookie. He gave up three hits, walk five, struck 298 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: out four, only went two and two thirds. Angels did 299 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: come back to win that game eight seven and eleven innings. 300 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: A guy who's had an experience like that, I assume 301 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: it's a big learning curve when he makes a second start. 302 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: How much more relaxed should he be? 303 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: Will he be? And what can we expect out of George? 304 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: You think? 305 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: I saw the postgame interviews, I've seen the comments. He 306 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: seems like a really good kid. He seems like he 307 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: has the attitude that I personally like to see it. 308 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: Appears to listen and was honest with you know what 309 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: happened that first time out there. He's got the huge 310 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: stuff plus numbers. You know that's out is is a 311 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: newer one, but I think that it's uh, I'm going 312 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: to cover it in a second on another topic. But 313 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: George has the pitches. It's about using them to his advantage, 314 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: and you know, the walks are going to be probably 315 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: an ongoing thing. You know, hopefully he's able to kind 316 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: of figure out hone in on you know, maybe which 317 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: side of the strike zone he could be a guy 318 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 3: you know, glass now for example, works or middle the catchers, don't, 319 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: you know, set up on the corners and class and 320 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: stuff is good enough that maybe the approach early on 321 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: at least might be not trying to get too cute 322 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: at all and just you know, let the stuff overpower 323 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: the hitters, not be afraid to pitch to some contact 324 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: strikeouts for all the rage. But I think the better 325 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 3: approaches to, you know here it is let's see what 326 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: you got, and you know that's that's the easiest way 327 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: to find out too. The big leagues are an adjustment, 328 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: a big adjustment. But his stuff, you know the numbers, 329 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: and I think that's where the game is headed. You 330 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: can kind of project far more easily than just guessing 331 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: if a guy's stuff is going to translate based on 332 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: these metrics, and it seems like he does have this stuff. 333 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: He's got to trust it. But I like his attitude. 334 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: I hope he goes out and dominate to be nice 335 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: to see five innings out of him. 336 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: What do you think I talk about his stuff? I mean, 337 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: he's got three plus pitches for me that four. Seemer 338 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: is averaging ninety seven point four, so he's touching ninety eight, 339 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: probably an occasional ninety nine. The change up is ten 340 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: miles an hour to mph differential at about eighty seven. 341 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: His slider, when he you know, can throw it as 342 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: an out pitch at ninety. 343 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: Four, has got a pretty sharp break. 344 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 345 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: I think it's a matter of setting up the hitters 346 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: and using that slider as a putaway pitch, because it's 347 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: pretty pretty devastating slider. 348 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 349 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: I just think, you know, what happened to him in 350 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: his first start has happened to so many kids. I 351 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: think it will be a lot more relaxed and it'll 352 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: be a really interesting I'm not saying this kid is 353 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: going to stick in the rotation all year, but you know, 354 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: we don't know how soon Grayson Rodriguez is going to 355 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: be back. We're still not sure about Alec Manoa. But 356 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: if this kid can, you know, have a decent start 357 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: here and you know, maybe put string together a couple 358 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 1: of good starts. With Ryan Johnson on the I, I oh, 359 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: maybe he sticks around for a little bit. We're gonna 360 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: turn our attention down to the Angels offense, and we've 361 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: heard this phrase a lot in baseball. I'm not sure 362 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: when it started. I'm not sure I like it. But 363 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: the three true outcomes the three true moneyball? Oh is 364 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: it straight straight from Moneyball? I couldn't remember that specifically. 365 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, well there you go moneyball early two thousands. 366 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: The home run, the walk, the strikeouts are the three 367 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: true outcomes for those that maybe weren't around there, weren't 368 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: paying attention. The Angels entered play Thursday leading the major 369 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: leagues with one hundred and forty two strikeouts. No shocker there. 370 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: They almost set a major league record for strikeouts last year. 371 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: They ranked fifth in home runs with fifteen, which is good. 372 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: They ranked eighth and walks with fifty one, which is good. 373 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: But Mark, is this any way to build an offense? 374 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 3: It's a way the best way, I mean to their 375 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: team averages two to oh one ops is six forty two. 376 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 3: Those numbers are not good. There's no way around it there. 377 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: You're not gonna what they've really done A good job 378 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 3: is on the pitching side, you know, for example. But 379 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 3: this offense is going to have to start being a 380 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 3: little bit more dynamic for them to really hit their stride. 381 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: I know Zach Netto and Trout are both not really well. 382 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 3: They're not dialed in right now. Not to say that 383 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 3: that can't change in a heartbeat. Cincinnati's a very friendly 384 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: hitter's part, but in the most recent game, both Zach 385 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: and Mike had some opportunities, and I think that inordinate 386 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: amount of pop ups, kind of weekly hit pop ups. 387 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: So when I talk about dynamic offense, I mean they're 388 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: twenty fifth in the league in hits. That's obviously not 389 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 3: where you want to be. And as far as extra 390 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 3: base hits, they have the home runs, they have the 391 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 3: second lowest doubles, and they have no triples, so not 392 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: hitting you know, the singles, aren't it said twenty fifth, 393 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 3: So they're, you know, towards the very bottom, the bottom 394 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 3: in triples and the second least in doubles. So it's 395 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: really the home run. I know, on the Lockdown podcast, 396 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: the Brothers Mike, that's my brother Sean. 397 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 4: They do a great job. 398 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: I listened to quite a few of theirs, but they're 399 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 3: kind of always talking about the Angels keep reverting to 400 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 3: trying to hit the ball out of the park. I 401 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: think that's one of their bigger gripes when things aren't 402 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: going well. They see a lot of that. Is that 403 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: what you're seeing as well? Does this team seem kind 404 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: of hyper focused on that home run? 405 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: Not as much as last year. But it's way too 406 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: small a sample size. I mean, they only have a 407 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: few guys who I can even consider soup, you know, really, 408 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, traditional power hitters and Adele Trout, I still don't. 409 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: I know, Netto's hit over twenty home runs for a 410 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: couple of years, I still don't look at him as 411 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: a power guy. 412 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: I don't look at I think Zach's a power hitter. 413 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he can for sure, but I don't 414 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: want Zach Netto swinging for the fences. I also saw 415 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: Zach Netto try to bunt twice with the bases loaded 416 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: and one out the other day. I didn't like that. 417 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: That was strange, especially for a team that hits as 418 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: many home runs as they do now. A guy like 419 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Jorge Sohilaire, you know he's probably going to swing for 420 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: the fences. Mancata, I really don't know. I'm not sure 421 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: what he's swinging for half the time. But those are 422 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: the only guys I don't think Josh Lowe is a 423 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: big power hitter. These guys shouldn't be swinging for the fences. 424 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: To me, you put pressure on teams with base runners 425 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: by making, you know, creating some action on the bases. 426 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: I don't think the Angels have a ton of speed, 427 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: but they have a few guys who can run, and 428 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: I mean it's early. I just think they have a 429 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: few guys who aren't you know, you know, no, I 430 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: agree with you on the bass. You know, Kurt Suzuki 431 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: has stressed the importance of situational baseball. He's shown a 432 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: willingness to play small ball at times with a couple 433 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: of buns and key situations. My concern, I don't know 434 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: what if you think this way too, Mark, is that 435 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: they're going to fall into the same patterns that doom 436 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: them last season, where I think they really, you know, 437 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: you had guys like Christian Moore and some of these 438 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: young guys just all the time swinging you know, thse 439 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: two strike approach at all, just you know, brain dead 440 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: hacking is one former player he used to call it. 441 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: I hope they're not falling into the same patterns I 442 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: kind of doomed them last year. 443 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: I hope so too. 444 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: One thing that I'm going to be on and I've 445 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 3: said it before there and not using the whole field 446 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: at all. Pull up the spray charts on Savant and 447 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: not only is it pull some of them are. I 448 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 3: mean it's very pole. And when they played the Cubs, 449 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 3: the Cubs kind of singled into death. They were using 450 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 3: the whole field. The Braves using the whole field. And 451 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: I'm not saying poking balls the other way on purpose, 452 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: but with two strikes, and Tory Hunter was on the 453 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 3: other day, I asked them about the importance of hitting 454 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 3: for a high batting average. I think with two strikes, 455 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: driving the ball, you know, if it happens, that's awesome, 456 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: but it really shouldn't be the goal. Think you know, 457 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 3: at least in my mind, a hard single, you know, 458 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: hit it on the ground, that's great. You're trying to 459 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: find a way to get back in the count, or 460 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: you know, if they make a mistake, it's more of 461 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 3: a punch. It's not you know, you're not a home 462 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: run down the left field line. But when you see 463 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 3: and I think what you're talking about are some of 464 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: those inappropriate swings in counts where you're you're really behind, 465 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 3: it just doesn't look right. It doesn't look like you're 466 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 3: up there fighting, and there has been a too much chase. 467 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: I think some sladders down in a way, and unfortunately, 468 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: when they've been down in some of these games, I 469 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 3: haven't seen a ton of fight. We'll see if that's 470 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: kind of something to monitor. In their defense, they've faced 471 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 3: the second nastiest nastiest pitching so far, the Stuff plus 472 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: one oh one point two. So the Padres are the 473 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 3: only team that has seen nastier pitching than the Angels. 474 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 4: Now there's some. 475 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: Other teams, the Rangers, the Rockies, the Orioles Toronto that's 476 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 3: not doing so well, but some of these teams are 477 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 3: hanging in there. So it's part of the you know, 478 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: you get the schedule and sometimes you play against a tough, 479 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: stiff competition in the beginning. Sometimes you don't. But so 480 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: far it's kind of a mixed bag. If this keeps up, 481 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 3: the pitching staff is going to have to really do 482 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: their thing, because you know, the all or nothing is 483 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 3: all or nothing. 484 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna turn our attention to Logan o'hapi, who said, 485 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: after catching Monday Night's gem of a start by Jose 486 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: Soriano that he is quote, never felt more trusted to play. 487 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: The game than I have this year. 488 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 4: And then when. 489 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: Asked to sort of elaborate or asked for a tangible 490 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: example by Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register, o'hapi 491 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: said he and Soriano determined early in Monday Night's game 492 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: that the Braves seem to be honest pitches anytime they 493 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: threw the same pitch back to back, So happy and 494 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: Soriano came into the dugout and told Maddox and the 495 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: other coaches that they needed to adjust. 496 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: Quote. 497 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: We got to keep more of a mix here than 498 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: just sticking to what is maybe looking like it's work 499 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: at the time, o'hapy said. He told Maddox and sorry, 500 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: mixed it up from there and went eight innings. Mark, 501 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: are you reading anything into this quote at all? 502 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 4: I would like your opinion on this quote. I think 503 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 4: that you have. 504 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 3: Done this for forty years and are much better at 505 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: reading between the lines when it comes to something like this. 506 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you could read it as sort of 507 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: a knock on some of the previous coaching staff, some 508 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: of the pitching coaches and maybe manager Ron Washington. You know, 509 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: Logan had such a rough year last year. Both at 510 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: the plate and behind the plate, and confidence I think 511 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball is something that I 512 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: think is really important to him. You know, when he's 513 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: feeling relaxed and not feeling like the just all the 514 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: pressure that's on him. I mean, these young catchers have 515 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: enough on their plate as it is. I did a 516 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: story going into last season on o'hopy and how tough 517 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: it is for a young catcher to sort of, you know, 518 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: establish himself and shout to guys like Chris Iyanetta and 519 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: there's just so much And you know, Man Logan never 520 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: had to catch for Mike Sosha, but you saw how 521 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: he's greeted some of the catchers back when he was there. 522 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine anything more stressful than trying 523 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: to catch for Mike Soshia. And you know, he pretty 524 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: much ran a guy like Mike Napoli out of town 525 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: because he didn't think he could handle the pitchers as 526 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: well as he wanted him to. And as we all know, 527 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: nap went under a great career with the Rangers. So 528 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: I think being comfortable, being confident, feeling like he's doing 529 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: the right thing and that the coaches have his back 530 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: is important to Logan, and if that's how he feels 531 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: right now, I think that bodes well for the Angels. 532 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not. I haven't been in the clubhouse. 533 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to these guys as much as I 534 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: would normally if I was covering the team full time 535 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: like I did for many years. 536 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't. 537 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: I just think it's You could certainly take it as 538 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: maybe a knock on some previous coaches who maybe just 539 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: couldn't get through to Logan, or maybe there was just 540 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: some you know, butting of heads. But I think it 541 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: bodes well for the future of the pitching staff and 542 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: hopefully Logan's future. 543 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 3: I think that it indicates him taking some ownership. I 544 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 3: think catchers, ultimately, you know, you want them to be 545 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 3: the general out there on the field hauling the game. 546 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: They're the ones with the best view by far to 547 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: see what these hitters are doing. And hitters make and 548 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 3: I made a number of adjustments. Sometimes you're moving around 549 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 3: in the box pitch to pitch, count to count, and 550 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: the catcher is the one that ultimately is sitting there. 551 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: Most of them are sitting there staring, you know, staring 552 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 3: at your feet, and they're making sure you're not peeking. 553 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: I never peaked at anything, I hope, but nobody does 554 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 3: to be honest at least of the things. But it's 555 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: they're the ones that have the best feel and they 556 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 3: can kind of read things too, and not always things 557 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: that are they can even put into words, but just 558 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: kind of the timing of the hitter and certain things 559 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: and just get a They could also tell very easily 560 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: when guys are cheating. That's a big deal, like with 561 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: the story onor or somebody like that. If they see 562 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 3: that front shoulder starting to fly, I mean, that opens 563 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: up the entire outside part of the plate. Likewise, if 564 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 3: they think, you know, or started to see a team 565 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: that's overly passive and clearly up there that you know 566 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: they can get. You talk to a guy like Red 567 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 3: or something, and hey, let's go right out them. They 568 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: seem like they're trying to get a lot of pitches 569 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 3: out of you. And it's not a knock on reed, 570 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 3: it just is kind of you know, that's that's what 571 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 3: you see as a catcher. And I know I was 572 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: lucky to play with many that were really good, but 573 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: almost all of them exactly like what Logan's saying, they're 574 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: out there and you count on them to do that. 575 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: A catcher that is not a leader in at least 576 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 3: in this regard. It's it's just not really how the 577 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: big leagues operate. You know, most of these guys are. 578 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: That's why they are so popular to manage later on, 579 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 3: because they have to kind of take ownership with these 580 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: things and become, you know, guys that the pitchers trust. 581 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: That That is the relationship. So far, so good. 582 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 4: Logan's really done a nice job in that regard. 583 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: We're going to close a show. Is some more rough 584 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: in news for the Angels. Robert Stevenson, the much bligned reliever, 585 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: at another Tommy John surgery, just on a revision, so 586 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: he's out for the year. He'll have he signed a 587 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: three year, thirty three million dollars deal before the twenty 588 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: four season. 589 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: He'll have made twelve appearances. 590 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: We know how frustrated Robert is, you know, with some 591 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: of the quotes we heard from him in spring training, 592 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: and I just want to sort of take this from 593 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: a player's angle. 594 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: Mark you. 595 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: Signed a three year, thirty seven million dollar deal with 596 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: the Oriels before the twenty seventeen season, and then you 597 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: suffered some pretty bad knee injuries or limited to ninety 598 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: games in twenty eighteen and twelve games in twenty nineteen 599 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: before retiring. How tough is it for players when they're 600 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: unable to fulfill these types of contracts, or really any 601 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: kind of contracts. 602 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: Because of these injuries. I can't imagine what that's like. 603 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone can unless you're the one 604 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: doing it, you know. And in the case of Roberts, 605 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: he's done everything he can to be productive. I've seen 606 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: nothing that sounds like another injured player on the Angels. 607 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 3: Not to say that that Anthony hasn't also done things 608 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: to try and return to play, but number numerous stories 609 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 3: over the years. I think Ellsbury, you know, had an 610 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 3: interesting recovery on his own quite a bit. So sometimes 611 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: teams will grant more latitude to guys to kind of 612 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: you know, rehabit they're going to be long term things. 613 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: But you know, in my own case, it was something 614 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 3: that was, you know, entirely on the knee just started 615 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 3: to kind of there wasn't one precipitating event, but I 616 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: just started to feel like, man, I don't feel not 617 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: that I ever had an abundance of athleticism, but it 618 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 3: seemed gone, you know, and it started to swell routinely, Buckle, 619 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: and these are things that Nick pros or it's pretty 620 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 3: pretty difficult. 621 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 4: Now. 622 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 3: I was very stubborn too, and I continued to play 623 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: and play and play. I was still able to hit 624 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: to a decent level in eighteen. But I don't know 625 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: if it was kind of a mato thing or what, 626 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: but I probably should have gotten a look at before. 627 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: But eventually buck show Walter said, hey, you're not looking 628 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: very good out there, at least running wise. You want 629 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 3: to get it looked at. And it ended up being 630 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: a pretty serious thing. So in nineteen I honestly probably 631 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: who knows, I had an obligation to return. You know, 632 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: when you have a surgery, they talk about return to play. 633 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 3: I think it's such a funny term because return to 634 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: play just simply means you are there, you know, and 635 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: you return to play. It doesn't mean you returned to 636 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 3: the previous level of play. So small anecdote, but yeah, 637 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: this is very unfortunate. You know, he's got tremendous stuff. 638 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 3: But I don't know as a genetics, as a who 639 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: knows what it is, it's bad luck. I think by 640 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 3: and large, but I would have love to see what 641 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: he had had to bring, because when he was out 642 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: there it was quite good. 643 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 4: And best wishes to him. 644 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 3: Hopefully he's able to kind of, you know, get something 645 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 3: in order and maybe have a couple more years. 646 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: All right, we'll close the show with that. Thanks for watching, 647 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: Please like and subscribe, and we will see you next 648 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: time on Halo Territory.