WEBVTT - From a Baldie to a Preacher.. Tony DeVito's INCREDIBLE ECW journey 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:26.000 But I would never. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.320 I would have never told balls an axle. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.600 I mean, what the hell that's yeah, that's ridiculous, but. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:35.320 You do your intro. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:40.040 Okay, another dear friend of mine, I open with that 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.199 all the time. But another brother that I've kept in 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.760 touch with, it's Tony Devido handsome. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.279 Hello, what's up, guys? How's it going? 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:48.479 Hi? 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.440 Franny, Hi, how are you? It's great to see you. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.960 Let me tell you how dapper you looked at your 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:55.800 daughter's wedding. 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:57.080 Well, thank you so much. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:58.680 Should have just got married. 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.560 She looked absolutely, thank you so much. 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.479 Stunning. And Tony sent me the pictures because I no 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:09.480 longer partaking Facebook because I that's right, But thank you 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.240 for thinking of me. I love I love seeing stuff like. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.960 Well, you know, I've told you I'm always going to 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.280 think about you because back in the r ECW days, 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.160 my daughter was about five and she loved the long dresses, 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.240 she loved the high heels, so she like plunged. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.399 You right off the bat. So you know she loved 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:24.679 you then. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.600 So it's like I just feel there's like some kind 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.200 of a weird bond in a way. 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.160 There's a connection. I love that. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:30.640 That's great. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.680 Well, she looked beautiful. You looked great. How was the 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:34.399 wedding fun? 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.920 It was really good. It really was nice. It was beautiful, 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.280 great day. I was very happy. My daughter was very happy. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:40.200 I was very happy for her. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.080 So were you able to have a big reception with 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.840 the COVID or you know why, because. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.000 A lot of people were supposed to come from New 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.440 York down to Florida because I'm in Florida now, of course, 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.000 and a lot of them just couldn't make it. My 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.080 mom came. My mom doesn't care. She's retired. Plus she 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.760 doesn't care. She don't care. Ye hard she's more hardcore 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:05.720 than I am. She's hardcore cool. Yeah, so it was good. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.480 It turned out really good. And uh, you know, I 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.360 wish everyone else could have been there, you know, because 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:11.120 I have a huge family. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.440 I have four sisters and we all have two kids each. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.200 We're all have significant others, and all of us are 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.360 like twenty something people. So just my family, you know, 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.240 we're so used to dwarf in every event we're at. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:22.840 That's like that. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.120 So it was weird kind of you know that she 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:26.280 was on the opposite foot this time. 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:27.000 For me. It's weird. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.000 Yeah, Well, at least, you know, you can't keep postponing 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.040 things because we don't know how long this is gonna last. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:34.960 That's the thing with her. She's like, I'm not going 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.160 to put my life on hold not knowing what's going on, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:38.760 you know. So I agree with that part of it, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:39.000 you know. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.399 Yeah, are they able to vacation anywhere their honeymoon? 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.400 Now, they're gonna wait till spring break because he is 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.200 he just kind of got a year long position with 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.519 a school district. He's trying to become a teacher, and 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.680 he got a year long substitute position, so he has 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.280 no he has to wait till spring break. So they're 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:56.200 gonna wait a spring break. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.480 They got their whole lot, and they're gonna marry. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.320 I'm just gonna go to the keys now, I think lovely. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.240 Yeah all right, cool. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.639 Well, I've been dying to get you on. I've I've 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.760 asked you several times, and real life always gets in 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.000 the way with your stupid job. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.040 So damn, damn job. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.240 He's on vacation. So that's why I said, we have 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:24.120 We just interviewed Roadkill before you. Yeah, so that was fun. Yeah, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:25.919 that was that was fun. So now I have view 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:31.360 which I'm thrilled. So let's uh, let's start with I 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.360 hate starting with how did you get into the business. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.080 You know, that's a that's a but how did you 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.480 get into the business? Tony? You've been around for a while. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.840 I've been around a long time, around since ninety one. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:48.520 So might I say, Might I say, besides your baldy gimmick, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.520 I really think that the crazy priest would have taken off. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:54.480 And we're gonna talk. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.640 We're going to talk about that in a couple of 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.000 minutes because I don't love it. What year did you 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:01.280 did you get in? 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.760 And so ninety one is when I first broke in, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.960 but you know, I was about I think I was 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.760 in sixth grade when I actually found out about pro wrestling. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.480 A friend of mine brought up sixth grade, so whatever, hell. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.360 Well, you know as eleven, ten, eleven, I don't know 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.240 whatever at that point, but a friend of mine brought 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.480 a wrestling magazine at the school and Jimmy Snooker was 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:17.920 on the cover. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.160 And back then, Jimmy Snooko, I mean, everyone knows he. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.240 Was shredded, ripped, his hair was crazy, and you know, 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.440 he just looked like a psycho on the magazine. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.200 So like that drew me in right away. And then 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.600 I started watching wrestling. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.080 After that and that got me into it, and you know, 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:32.960 and then I just wanted to be a pro wrestler 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.120 from that time on, you know, I knew that's what 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.680 I wanted to do in my life. Yeah. So, and 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.120 then you know, years later, of course, we found out 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.360 about a school and we met a guy at a bar. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.720 He was actually going to doctor d David Schultz's school 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.200 in Orange, Connecticut, and we met this dude and he 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:49.800 hooked us up with that and then that was it. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.120 We started going and you know, we joined up. That 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:52.520 was it. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.680 When you say we who was your so a. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.120 Buddy of mine? Aaron Ferguson. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.599 He don't. He doesn't work or anything now, but he barely. 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.240 You know, he did a little bit of stuff. He's 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.480 done some TV, some indies. But anyway, he actually met 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.919 this guy at first, you know, this guy Carl, and 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.239 that's how it all worked. He went to the school first. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.000 I came afterwards, and we all joined up basically at 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.520 the same time. And you know, then later on Mike 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.640 Bell got involved. Mike Bell went to the same school, 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:17.960 and that's how. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.920 I met Mike right, Yeah, I think I met Mike 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:21.280 through you. 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.680 Yeah, probably when he came in. Yeah, okay, right at 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:26.200 the tail end. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.600 So you train, you start doing indis right like. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.960 Everybody, Yeah, start you know right away. Well it was 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.159 weird because you know, David Schultz, as good as he 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.400 was for us, he really couldn't get us any bookings 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:41.000 because as we know, he slapped the crap by the Johnson. 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.160 That was in the middle of him being blackballed basically, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:44.559 so he was out. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:46.880 Yeah, he was out. So he really couldn't get us 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.960 any work. So Paul Roma lived in that area also, 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.160 and Paul Roma had just started his boxing career, if 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.000 you guys remember back in that day. So Paul just 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.719 started boxing and he was working out boxing at the 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.000 same gym that I was going to the wrestling school. 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.760 And Paul Roma actually. 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.800 Went to the same wrestling school but years of late, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.440 years earlier with Tony Altimore and because they ran and 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.920 Tony Altimore ran the school back then, and then Schultz 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.640 took over after him, and Mariomansini had a school in there, 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.320 like all kinds of guys at schools in this place. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.120 It's kind of crazy. So anyway, Paul Roma started coming 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.640 in and then somehow they talked and Paul Roma kind 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.760 of like took over the classes and he got us 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.520 doing some shows. And it took Paul Roman to do it. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.560 So that's I owe him a lot of credit too 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:34.800 with that aspect of it. He got me gone. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.320 Who got you your try out for w w F. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.600 Paul Roma, Paul I never I never paid Paul you know, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.920 I paid David Schultz money to train me and never 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.080 paid Paul Roman to train me or any of us. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.200 And Paul just came in and just helped all of 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.719 us out, you know, myself well to you know, to 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.800 go forward a little bit. Just incredible. As we know 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:59.839 PJ Walker. So PJ actually started. PJ also lived in Connecticut, 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.880 so that's how I met PJ. He trained at the 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.600 Heart Camp in Calgary, came all the way back to 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.520 Connecticut and found out there was a school in his backyard. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.720 They didn't know about it, so he started coming to 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.640 our school after he had trained up there. So that 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.760 was cool. So that's how I met PJ. I met 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:15.920 Nick Barbary that way. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:21.640 A couple other people you knew PJ before ECW Yes, you. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.120 Know, yeah, basically we trained together. Also, I mean we 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.680 started out in the business together. I should say, you know, because. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.040 I remember you in like ninety one ninety two, right 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.520 or is that when you were Yeah, I remember very 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.320 clearly back in the day watching. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.160 Yeah, so you're working, you know, you get try out 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:43.040 for Vince, you're working Dark Matches and like you know, 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.560 Superstars or whatever the show was back back. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.440 Yeah, all those all those shows. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:52.880 Yeah, hey, work is work, right, that's right. What were 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.440 the talks like, like, did they ever tell you we're 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.200 gonna you know, we're gonna move you out, we're going 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.240 to use you. Did you ever talk to Vince at 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.280 this point because it's early nineties. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.800 Yeah, you know, I would never had access to Vince 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.000 that way, Like I always would greet him or whatever, 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.679 but it wasn't Vince. You know, TV's they were always busy, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.920 so you know, you could talk to agents, you could 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.840 talk to other guys about stuff. Vince never had that access. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:17.440 I used to talk to Shane mcmanon a lot back 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.840 and Shane was heavily involved back in that day. And 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.440 Shane was so cool, and Shane talked to anybody and everybody. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.480 If you said, hey, man, can I have a minute, 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.520 he gave it to you. So that was years later 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.360 though too. That wasn't right in the beginning. But again, 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.040 I just kept my mouth shut. I learned from guys. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.160 You know, Scott Hall came in. Scott Hall actually took 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.320 us under his wing. You know, people don't give Scott 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.480 a lot of credit, but that's another guy that I 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.040 owe a lot to. Scott came in and started talking 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.319 to us, started you know, giving us pointers, started telling us, hey, man. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.160 You know, me and Mike Bell used to do this thing. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.360 We'd be a tag team and we'd like do a 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.440 high five, come down and we'd point to the camera 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.520 and Scott Hall was like, man, that's you guys are 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.600 smart to do that, because that's your time. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:58.880 He's like, he's like, if. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.760 That camera's on you for five second, and that five 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.160 seconds is your time to get over and he's like, 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.520 you do what you got to do. So and then 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.400 years later they started using the whole point thing. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:14.760 But that gimmick right there, I don't care no one anyway. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:19.400 It's hilarious. Okay, So so you're just happy at this point, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:20.480 you're still kind of green. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.160 You're just happy to learn. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.680 Yeah, I mean I only did like one or two 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.520 indie shows and I went right to TV so I 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.480 learned there, you know, And like I said, a guy 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.360 like him, you know, took us under right away like 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:35.920 that when he came into the company. I'd been there 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.320 a little bit by the time he came in. But 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.520 you know, the funny thing is skinner, you know, Steve Hern, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.800 he actually so the first round of TVs we ever 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.840 got booked on. You know, we're there three nights. They 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:48.720 didn't use this any of the previous two nights. So 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.480 myself and Mike Belwin up to Tony Gria because he 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.160 was our agent basically, and we said, hey, can we 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.720 you know, can we get in the ring? Can we 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.400 show you what we can do? You know, like we 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.920 really want to work, And he let us go out 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.959 and work. Before the doors opened, we did a match. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.040 Steve Kern is the only guy that came up to 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:06.960 us and gave his advice. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:09.560 Steve was my favorite agent. 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.680 Yeah, there he was so many, he was great. He 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.439 didn't I didn't know this guy, he didn't know us, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:15.760 but he gave us, you know, he came up and 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.440 then gave us some pointers, told us what was good, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:18.600 what wasn't what to do better? 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.280 That's awesome, And that night they put me on TV. 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:27.720 So you're there, you're working. How long were you with them? 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.800 So you know, my timelines are so bad, Franny? But 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.000 I know from ninety two to ninety six, I definitely 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:36.840 was doing shows. But I think I still did a 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.160 couple into ninety seven, which. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:40.480 Really shocked the ECW. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.880 So why go to ECW until like ninety ninety ninety 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.319 eight the end of ninety eight? 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.480 Why do I feel I feel like you were with 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.280 us for like longer than because. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:53.720 You grew up watching me on TV, Franny? 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:59.720 Because I have a baby the YouTube like, hey. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.000 Ro kill say that to me all the time. I 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.360 grew up watching you on TV. Screw. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:08.880 He's funny when when you make the transition, like you 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.679 you you leave w W E or w F at 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:16.079 the time, right, are you bitter? Are you thinking? Like 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.880 what you know, I'm here for four years? They're not 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.160 really doing much with me. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.000 Well, so during that time, like if you if you 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.760 go back timeline wise, you know, like that's when PJ 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.319 actually got signed. You know, we were there and they 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.920 signed Pija. You know they just I'm telling you right now, 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.760 I was I was in girl position. To night, vincemc 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.120 man noticed PJ Walker and he was wrestling Movid Borga 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.360 at the White Plains UH County Center, and Luca used 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.319 to Ludvid Borga used to be like these uppercuts to 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.400 the gut and PJ just sold it so well. And 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.760 Vince's like, oh, this kid looks really good. It's like, dude, 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.440 you've seen him wrestle one hundred matches, are right, But anyway, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.840 it's just little thing to notice. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.520 They and then you know, everything worked for him. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.079 He was Portuguese, they needed, they wanted to expand their 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.319 markets and worked out great for him. 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.559 Plus, listen, I think he's under it. He is a 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:07.000 great worker. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.240 I mean I'm a little biased, but. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.960 Yeah, but you're seeing PJ, and you're seeing PJ advanced. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:17.040 What about Tony? 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.000 Yeah, well, I mean I've had conversations with some agents. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.200 You know, Tom Pritchard had started running the school at 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:23.880 that point. You know that he started training in the 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.480 warehouse in Stanford. They used to bring me and Mike 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.480 Bell into to work out with the guys, Like I 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.559 worked out with Draws, I worked out with Lawrence Taylor, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.880 I worked out with Oh jeez, the truth commissioned guys. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.320 I worked out with Edge when Edge came, but the 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.600 main guy was Draws because Draws was their first training, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.360 you know, Okay, and we used they used to book 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:45.679 us to go to the warehouse all the time to 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.040 go work with them. It was great. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.680 But do you feel like, because I asked ro Kill 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.000 the same question, do you feel like you would have 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.800 been more successful as a singles wrestler? 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.120 And I think I'm a better tag team wrestler. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.920 I really yeah, But you know, I think it's very 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.280 hard getting a tag team over getting a tag team booked, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.520 especially in the indies and things. You know, that's that's 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.840 very tough. So I think it's easier as far as 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.679 the singles for that, But I don't know. I think 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.120 I am a tag team wrestler. I really believe that. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.360 I like doing singles, but I like tagging. Okay. And 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.680 like you said before, there was I had no bitterness 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.920 towards when it ended for us, because I think it 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.120 was time, you know, I learned there, Like I don't 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:26.800 want to change anything, Like a lot of people look 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.440 down on going to TV and doing jobs and this 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.080 and that. I learned a lot at TV doing jobs. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.320 I learned from Scott Hall, I learned from Seawn Michaels. Uh. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.640 There was tons of guys that would give us advice 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.720 because at some point they accepted us as you know, 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:43.400 we were guys. They knew we can come in and 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.520 work great matches with them, and they liked that about us. 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.000 So those guys taught us stuff. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:50.960 So I learned a lot from guys that were on 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:52.240 the road working all the time. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:57.440 And besides troublemaker, you're not going to try and politic 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.240 and whatever. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.760 Not a politicer. Now I'm not a river and I'm 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.240 not a politicer. Not a river. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.800 Come on, okay, So PJ, get you, uh, get you 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:14.840 to try out with us, you PJ. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.640 You know, PJ of course was still signed with w 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:18.199 W at the. 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.040 Time, but then he was going to us w A 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.440 and then with us w A because they kind of 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.560 were working together and then Paul kind of had somehow. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.120 I think w W and e c W were kind 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:30.760 of having that little thing going back and forth. So 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.360 I think that's how PJ got in so and Chris 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.080 Candido I think helped him out a lot. Also. I 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.240 think that's a big word for PJ and yeah. So 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.400 once PJ got in, uh, you know, I started hanging out. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.040 I started coming around, and you know PJ kind of, 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.800 you know, would grab Paul's ear sometimes or Tommy's ear 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.720 and try to, you know, try to get me in there. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.440 And I think that had a lot to do with it. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.600 But you know, I came there and I worked my 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:54.320 ass off too. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:55.280 Oh of course you did. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.840 I mean, come on, who came up with the baldies? 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:04.960 Well, you know polled it, I guess. You know, Well, 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.200 it was weird because I go back to the day 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.560 where Tommy first told me I was going to actually 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.520 be like something I was gonna be. I was gonna 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.720 be somebody in E CW. I wasn't just Tony Deviato 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.440 like I was. He said, hey, you ever watched American 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.440 History X? And I was like, I have no idea 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.520 what that is. And then he told me what it was, 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.640 and he goes, you need to go home and watch 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.920 that this weekend, and that's what we need you to be. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.000 And apparently that was Paul's idea. So I don't even know. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:29.520 What that is. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.080 She never seen any movies, Tony, So right over and 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:36.240 I know exactly what. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.280 You're talking about I've seen movies. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.680 Everyone that that's mentioned, get you. 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.280 You never saw I'm a mother. I don't have time 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:50.920 to see mother. So American history X was basically white supremacists. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.120 They were white supremacists. So here's Paul Hayman, a Jewish 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:58.640 man whose mother was in an in. Tim Mcamp wanted 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:03.160 me to do a not he can makeing. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.920 Wow, And I never heard this story. 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.280 Well if you remember, if you can go back and remember, 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.160 me and Bill Wiles were basically remember Billy was like 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.880 my manager. He'd come out with me. He was a Nazi, 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:17.800 So sorry, Bill, love. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.720 You, Okay. 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.560 So that didn't fly though, That didn't work. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.480 So that happened, and then like next thing, I know, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.000 h one night, Tommy grabs me, he grabs Angel, he 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.640 grabs Vito, he grabs Rod Price and Pean News and 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.160 he puts us all together and he goes, Okay, you 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:45.320 guys are the Baldies now. And we're like, oh, like that, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.680 that's great. Yeah. So Tommy got us together before a 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.400 show one night, said you guys are the Baldies. We 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.360 went out, we beat up Spike Dudley and that's how. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:58.240 The bald started. And who's the leader of the Baldies. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.160 Well, Angel likes to say he is. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:05.240 Everybody takes credit. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:06.960 But if you look at me, an Angel, I don't 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.160 think me and Angel ever said I'm the leader. 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:10.720 I'm the lead. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.960 Like we might have done that joking around, but there 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:13.680 was never. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.240 So who who says that they're the leader of. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.760 Garbage? Not a fan. 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:28.240 I am not. I don't force anyone to say anything 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:29.359 that they don't want to say. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:31.840 I want to say, don't worry if you if you. 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:33.720 Want to spread your truth. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.920 By all, and you know we all know it's truth. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.720 I listen, I'm friends with all people everywhere. 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:48.119 You're like mother Teresa, spread love and enjoy to all. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:54.200 So I was a big fan of you guys. Very violent. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:59.399 Yeah, there new jack and balls, and you know it's true. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:05.600 I felt like I always saw you bleeding in every 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.240 single match that you were you you were good with that. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:11.919 Yeah, I didn't mind that, to be honest with you, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.520 and to me, like that was my spot, that was 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.040 our spot. So you know you, I mean, listen, you 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.560 know you're gonna do what you gotta do. And if 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.920 it's bleeding, it's bleeding. I didn't care. I could work 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.720 that style too, So bothered me. I didn't and the 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.720