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Speaker 2: I would have never told balls an axle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what the hell that's yeah, that's ridiculous, but.

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Speaker 3: You do your intro.

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Speaker 1: Okay, another dear friend of mine, I open with that

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Speaker 1: all the time. But another brother that I've kept in

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Speaker 1: touch with, it's Tony Devido handsome.

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Speaker 4: Hello, what's up, guys? How's it going?

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Speaker 1: Hi?

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Speaker 4: Franny, Hi, how are you? It's great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you how dapper you looked at your

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Speaker 1: daughter's wedding.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Should have just got married.

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Speaker 4: She looked absolutely, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Stunning. And Tony sent me the pictures because I no

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Speaker 1: longer partaking Facebook because I that's right, But thank you

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Speaker 1: for thinking of me. I love I love seeing stuff like.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I've told you I'm always going to

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Speaker 4: think about you because back in the r ECW days,

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Speaker 4: my daughter was about five and she loved the long dresses,

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Speaker 5: You right off the bat. So you know she loved

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Speaker 4: So it's like I just feel there's like some kind

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Speaker 1: There's a connection. I love that.

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Speaker 4: That's great.

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Speaker 2: Well, she looked beautiful. You looked great. How was the

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Speaker 4: It was really good. It really was nice. It was beautiful,

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Speaker 4: great day. I was very happy. My daughter was very happy.

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Speaker 1: So were you able to have a big reception with

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Speaker 4: A lot of people were supposed to come from New

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Speaker 4: York down to Florida because I'm in Florida now, of course,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of them just couldn't make it. My

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Speaker 4: doesn't care. She don't care. Ye hard she's more hardcore

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Speaker 4: than I am. She's hardcore cool. Yeah, so it was good.

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Speaker 4: It turned out really good. And uh, you know, I

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Speaker 4: wish everyone else could have been there, you know, because

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Speaker 4: I have a huge family.

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Speaker 5: I have four sisters and we all have two kids each.

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Speaker 4: We're all have significant others, and all of us are

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Speaker 4: we're so used to dwarf in every event we're at.

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Speaker 5: So it was weird kind of you know that she

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Speaker 4: For me. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, at least, you know, you can't keep postponing

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Speaker 1: things because we don't know how long this is gonna last.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing with her. She's like, I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to put my life on hold not knowing what's going on,

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Speaker 4: you know. So I agree with that part of it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, are they able to vacation anywhere their honeymoon?

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Speaker 4: Now, they're gonna wait till spring break because he is

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Speaker 4: he just kind of got a year long position with

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Speaker 4: no he has to wait till spring break. So they're

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Speaker 1: They got their whole lot, and they're gonna marry.

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go to the keys now, I think lovely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah all right, cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've been dying to get you on. I've I've

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Speaker 3: So damn, damn job.

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Speaker 1: He's on vacation. So that's why I said, we have

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Speaker 1: We just interviewed Roadkill before you. Yeah, so that was fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a that's a but how did you

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Speaker 4: I've been around a long time, around since ninety one.

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Speaker 1: So might I say, Might I say, besides your baldy gimmick,

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Speaker 4: And so ninety one is when I first broke in,

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Speaker 5: A friend of mine brought up sixth grade, so whatever, hell.

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Speaker 4: We started going and you know, we joined up. That

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Speaker 5: Buddy of mine? Aaron Ferguson.

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Speaker 4: He don't. He doesn't work or anything now, but he barely.

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Speaker 1: I met Mike right, Yeah, I think I met Mike

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Speaker 5: And Paul Roma actually.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy. So anyway, Paul Roma started coming

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Speaker 4: Paul Roma, Paul I never I never paid Paul you know,

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Speaker 3: I remember you in like ninety one ninety two, right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're working, you know, you get try out

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Speaker 4: You know, Scott Hall came in. Scott Hall actually took

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Speaker 5: You know, me and Mike Bell used to do this thing.

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Speaker 5: But that gimmick right there, I don't care no one anyway.

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Speaker 1: Steve was my favorite agent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there he was so many, he was great. He

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Speaker 5: That's awesome, And that night they put me on TV.

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Speaker 4: You grew up watching me on TV, Franny?

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Speaker 4: Well, so during that time, like if you if you

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Speaker 5: Plus, listen, I think he's under it. He is a

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Speaker 4: I mean I'm a little biased, but.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean I've had conversations with some agents.

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Speaker 4: You know, Tom Pritchard had started running the school at

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Speaker 1: But do you feel like, because I asked ro Kill

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Speaker 5: And I think I'm a better tag team wrestler.

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Speaker 4: I really yeah, But you know, I think it's very

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Speaker 4: I learned from Scott Hall, I learned from Seawn Michaels. Uh.

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Speaker 4: There was tons of guys that would give us advice

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Speaker 5: So I learned a lot from guys that were on

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Speaker 1: And besides troublemaker, you're not going to try and politic

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Speaker 4: Not a politicer. Now I'm not a river and I'm

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Speaker 4: not a politicer. Not a river.

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Speaker 1: Come on, okay, So PJ, get you, uh, get you

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Speaker 5: You know, PJ of course was still signed with w

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Speaker 4: once PJ got in, uh, you know, I started hanging out.

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Speaker 4: I started coming around, and you know PJ kind of,

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Speaker 4: you know, would grab Paul's ear sometimes or Tommy's ear

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Speaker 4: And I think that had a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I came there and I worked my

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Speaker 1: Oh of course you did.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, who came up with the baldies?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know polled it, I guess. You know, Well,

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Speaker 4: like I was. He said, hey, you ever watched American

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Speaker 4: History X? And I was like, I have no idea

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Speaker 4: and he goes, you need to go home and watch

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Speaker 4: that this weekend, and that's what we need you to be.

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Speaker 4: And apparently that was Paul's idea. So I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: What that is.

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Speaker 3: She never seen any movies, Tony, So right over and

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Speaker 3: I know exactly what.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about I've seen movies.

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Speaker 1: Everyone that that's mentioned, get you.

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Speaker 4: You never saw I'm a mother. I don't have time

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Speaker 4: to see mother. So American history X was basically white supremacists.

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Speaker 4: They were white supremacists. So here's Paul Hayman, a Jewish

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Speaker 4: me to do a not he can makeing.

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Speaker 1: Wow, And I never heard this story.

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Speaker 4: Well if you remember, if you can go back and remember,

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Speaker 4: me and Bill Wiles were basically remember Billy was like

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Speaker 4: So sorry, Bill, love.

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Speaker 2: You, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So that didn't fly though, That didn't work.

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Speaker 4: So that happened, and then like next thing, I know,

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Speaker 4: h one night, Tommy grabs me, he grabs Angel, he

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Speaker 4: he puts us all together and he goes, Okay, you

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Speaker 4: that's great. Yeah. So Tommy got us together before a

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Speaker 1: The bald started. And who's the leader of the Baldies.

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Speaker 4: Well, Angel likes to say he is.

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Speaker 1: Everybody takes credit.

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Speaker 5: But if you look at me, an Angel, I don't

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Speaker 4: I'm the lead.

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Speaker 5: Like we might have done that joking around, but there

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Speaker 1: So who who says that they're the leader of.

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Speaker 4: Garbage? Not a fan.

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Speaker 1: I am not. I don't force anyone to say anything

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Speaker 5: I want to say, don't worry if you if you.

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Speaker 1: Want to spread your truth.

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Speaker 4: By all, and you know we all know it's truth.

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Speaker 1: I listen, I'm friends with all people everywhere.

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Speaker 3: You're like mother Teresa, spread love and enjoy to all.

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Speaker 1: So I was a big fan of you guys. Very violent.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there new jack and balls, and you know it's true.

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Speaker 1: I felt like I always saw you bleeding in every

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't mind that, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 4: and to me, like that was my spot, that was

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Speaker 4: it's bleeding, it's bleeding. I didn't care. I could work

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Speaker 4: that style too, So bothered me. I didn't and the

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Speaker 4: way I cut myself. Look at my head. I don't

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Speaker 4: have scars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not too bad.

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Speaker 5: I have wrinkles. I don't have scars.

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Speaker 2: Did you do the little gig? Little gig?

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Speaker 4: The way I would never slice? I would just and

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Speaker 4: and you're sweating, so you're sting. Yeah, you got a

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Speaker 4: lot of guys that wanted to slice their heads open.

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Speaker 4: I ever wanted to slice.

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Speaker 2: I didn't love that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, David Schultz taught me that way.

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Speaker 4: The only thing he told me differently is twist. You know,

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Speaker 4: mean you're whisting, it just seemed like you're going to

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Speaker 4: annihilate my head. So I just stopped with just sticking

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Speaker 4: it in, and that was it. Stick it in.

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Speaker 1: I love.

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Speaker 4: You're a father.

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Speaker 1: Don't talk like I'm a mother. Do you feel like

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Speaker 4: I mean, I definitely do. I mean, I mean it's

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Speaker 5: It was great. I had a great time in Ringing Honor.

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Speaker 5: But I was also in Ring Honor from.

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Speaker 4: The beginning, you know, the first I don't know, for

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Speaker 4: whatever years it is, for four years, I can't remember.

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Speaker 4: So whatever, whatever it was, was the beginning of it,

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Speaker 4: it is now. I mean, I think it's still respected,

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not.

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Speaker 5: They don't even these kids and Ring Honor now don't

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Speaker 5: even know that I was bringing on a champion back then.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the cartage crew man that is.

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Speaker 3: We're probably the most exciting. And I said the main

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00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 3: events were great, but I mean they were awesome. I

440
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,719
Speaker 3: mean I would have loved to see you guys beyond

441
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 3: you know, one of the major promotions at that point

442
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 3: because it was such a great team.

443
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 5: Well, Loke always wanted Listen, Loke still wants to be

444
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 5: in a major promotion.

445
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 1: I know he is on Twitter just pushing, which is great.

446
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 2: Listen. If you don't push yourself, nobody else will.

447
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 4: Nobody else will, so God bless for it. Listen. I

448
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 4: give him a ton of credit. He wants to do it.

449
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 4: He's having fun. That does nothing wrong with that. And

450
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,120
Speaker 4: we're in a little different position because he'd be like, listen,

451
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 4: let's go to TNA, let's do this, let's do that.

452
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, I'm kind of good. Yeah, I mean

453
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 4: like I love it, I'm going to do it still,

454
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 4: but I don't want to be on the road anymore,

455
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 4: Like I don't want to travel that that's the real

456
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 4: reason the Ring of Honor run even came to him,

457
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 4: and because I went up to Gabe and I said, man,

458
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 4: I'm like they were expanding and they were traveling like

459
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 4: every weekend, two days at a time. And I was like, listen,

460
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 4: I'm done. I have a real job. I can't I

461
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 4: have you know, I can't do it no more. You know,

462
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 4: I can't do it no more. So I said, I

463
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 4: want to come in part time. I just want to

464
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 4: do part time stuff. And that was the beginning of

465
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 4: the end for Ring Honor right there for us. So

466
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 4: unfortunately I ruined it for a.

467
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: Look, he's a big boy, he'll I mentioned before. H

468
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: So you know the e CW thing we fold devastation, heartache, sadness.

469
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: You get a little bit of life in w W

470
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 1: E and you become this character, which I went back

471
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 1: and I watched it.

472
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 2: Because because I know you.

473
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 1: And that was such a stretch. It was the weirdest.

474
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm talking about, chat, I'm searching.

475
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 4: I don't.

476
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: I don't remember on the top of my head.

477
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: Tell us.

478
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: So you go, you go to w W. How does

479
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 1: this come about? And creative wise, who's putting? Is this

480
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: your idea? No?

481
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 4: So once again, Tommy reaches out to me. Tommy dream

482
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 4: reaches Listen, Tommy's another guy. I'll give him a lot

483
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 4: of stuf. Tommy helped me out through a lot. As

484
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 4: you know, Tommy's helped a lot of guys. Oh I know, now, okay, Sorry,

485
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 4: Tommy contacted me when they first came back, and now

486
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 4: he didn't call me for the first show.

487
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 5: I was on the second show. So the zombie was

488
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 5: on the first show.

489
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 4: Yes, I came out as Macho le Bret the second show,

490
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,239
Speaker 4: so I had the Jack Black outfit on, you know,

491
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 4: except I talked to Macho Man's voice and they gave

492
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 4: me the slim gym and all that. Yeah, So I

493
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 4: mean I did that, and you know, whatever I did it,

494
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 4: I think they were fine with it. But there was

495
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 4: no you know nothing. And then there was another spot

496
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: they needed and it was this preacher thing. So once

497
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 4: again Tommy called me. He goes, I need you for

498
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 4: this date. You need to go out and buy a

499
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 4: you know, he told me, you have to go buy

500
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 4: a button up black shirt, buy a jacket, a pair

501
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 4: of slacks. He's like, and just you know, bring the receipt.

502
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 4: And they paid for it all too, which is great.

503
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 4: So you know, I bought what I needed and I

504
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 4: showed up in Philly that night. That was in Philly.

505
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 4: So that was the night after RVD and sat Book

506
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 4: got busted. I was there. It was in the building.

507
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 4: I was.

508
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: So they tell yeah, they tell you that you're going

509
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: to be this wacky preacher.

510
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 4: Yes, so I think Tommy must have told me right

511
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 4: away what it was going to be, but I don't.

512
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 4: I guess he told me, but I don't remember. Then

513
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 4: I get there and they, you know, they filled me

514
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 4: in and everything, and you know, I think at the

515
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 4: time when it was it was Tommy and Paul telling me.

516
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 4: But Vince was one hundred involved in the whole angle,

517
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 4: that whole angle. Vince was out there the whole time,

518
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 4: not Paul, not It was Vince so because I think

519
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: they were really trying to get sand Man over at

520
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 4: the time, because all these angles were for Sandman, So

521
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 4: I think they were really trying to put some effort

522
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 4: into him, you.

523
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: Know, right.

524
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: I just remember because it was such a different vibe

525
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: than a baldy And I remember I'm watching and I'm

526
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: saying to myself, I don't know what I'm looking at.

527
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: I love that you're working because I was thrilled for you,

528
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: but in the same token, I'm like, what what am

529
00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: I watched?

530
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, the funny thing is that there

531
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 4: was you know, it was just a one night gig

532
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 4: apparently too.

533
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 5: There was just like the other one was. It was

534
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 5: in one night thing. But you know, it's weird.

535
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 4: They gave me a ticket, you know, to sit in

536
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 4: the seat and everything, like they gave me tickets and

537
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 4: I actually put it in the top, you know, the

538
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 4: top pocket of the jacket I was wearing.

539
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 5: They gave me, you know, the little priest thing and stuff.

540
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 4: But you know, at the end of the promo too,

541
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: like I wasn't supposed to be a priest, you know,

542
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 4: like I tore it off and said, you know, I'm

543
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 4: not a man of the cloth, So I really wasn't

544
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 4: a priest.

545
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 5: I just used it to get in the building.

546
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: Well. So, but the funny thing was I had the tickets,

547
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 4: like I said, and moved. Samman comes over to me.

548
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 4: The whole thing happens because I cut a promo, you know,

549
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 4: and Joey and task on me to shut up, and

550
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 4: you know, I, you know, Vince is like, can you

551
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 4: can you get over the rail slowly? You know, because

552
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 4: you know I'm a worker and we jump over the rail. Well,

553
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,239
Speaker 4: He's like, can you get it? You know?

554
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 5: So I, you know, I make it like I'm you know,

555
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 5: I can't get over yah.

556
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Vince loved all that stuff, apparently because on

557
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 4: the headset he was going crazy. So so anyway that

558
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 4: all happens, I get back on the other side of

559
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 4: the rail. Saman's coming over yelling at me or not

560
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 4: even yelling this in my face, and I start going,

561
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 4: you know, you can't do this to me. I have that.

562
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 4: I take the tickets out.

563
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 5: I'm like, I have tickets, I have tickets.

564
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 4: You can't do this, you know, And I'm yelling at him.

565
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: Vince was going nuts. He's like, oh my god, I

566
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 4: love this and I never heard it, but this is

567
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: what I'm told. So he we do the whole thing.

568
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 4: I go back and Paul grabs me. So I went

569
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: back through the crowd and Paul actually met me wherever

570
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 4: I came through the crowd, and Paul goes, you need

571
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 4: to go to Gorilla right now and see Vince.

572
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 5: And I was like, what the hell, what do you

573
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 5: mean I He's like, get over there now.

574
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: I get over there and Vince grabs me and hugs me,

575
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: and he's like, that was Can I curse it all? Yes?

576
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 4: That was fucking great, and he just hugging me. He

577
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 4: gave me a thousand dollar bonus that night. To me,

578
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 4: what all the all the guys on headset, you know,

579
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 4: all the camera guys, they all thought.

580
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 5: That I was one hundred percent part of that company now.

581
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: They thought I was a brand new angle coming in

582
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: and because they wrote me.

583
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 5: So the very next week, Tommy calls me up.

584
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 4: It's one week later. It's I don't know, Tuesday, whatever,

585
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 4: the night they taped it on. I can't forget. I forget.

586
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 4: Tommy calls me up that day and he goes there,

587
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: I don't know. They're in Detroit, Michigan. I don't know

588
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: where they were. They were, They weren't anywhere close to

589
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 4: my house. He goes, what's up, man, I goes, Hey,

590
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 4: what's going on? Tom He goes, we have a problem

591
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 4: and I go what. He goes, You're written into TV

592
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 4: tonight and I go, I'm just sitting home on my couch, Tommy.

593
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 4: He goes, yeah, I know that. He goes, they think

594
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 4: you're part of the show and they wrote they the

595
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 4: way Vince reacted. He goes, they think you're a new

596
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 4: character and they wrote you into the show.

597
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 2: Why didn't they send you a plane ticket?

598
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 4: That's because I think they, the writers, all thought I

599
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: was already part of the whole thing because of the

600
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 4: way Vince acted.

601
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 5: So it's very weird because I never got Johns.

602
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: So somebody either put the k bosh on you.

603
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a k bosh, but all the all

604
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: the guys were getting k bosh back then.

605
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: We're not going to say who, but I know you

606
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: told me unless you want to. Okay, now I know

607
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: who it is, which I still don't understand.

608
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 4: I don't either, But if you do think about it,

609
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: all the other easy to ECW guys, the original ones,

610
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: they were all being let go of that. Oh, of course,

611
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: we were all being pushed out the door.

612
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: We never had a chance. I knew before I even

613
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: signed I was gonna get fired.

614
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 4: No, you never got it. You never got a chance.

615
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 4: You never got a chance. So and you were there

616
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 4: that night too, so so so that we so anyway,

617
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 4: Tommy called me, told me about that. He booked me

618
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 4: for the very next weekend, I think, which was we

619
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: were back in the Hammerstegn and that's where me and

620
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: I saw you finally Frandie, because you were both right

621
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: sign also like your first show or something too.

622
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: But I don't I don't know what the hell I did.

623
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: I I know you know what it was.

624
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: They used me for a promo there that it was

625
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: the first time I was on screen.

626
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: On screen, but I didn't work.

627
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time I was on screen because Paul

628
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: was like, we need boobs in the promo.

629
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay. So Tommy books me for that building again,

630
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 4: for that for that show, and I'm thinking, oh my god,

631
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna like this is finally, like listen, since

632
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 4: I was a child, and you know, I'm not going

633
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: to bullshit anybody. I've always wanted to be a contracted

634
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 4: wrestler with the World Wrestling Federation, that we whatever you

635
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: want to call it. That was my one hundred percent goal.

636
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 5: People that tell you that that's not their goal, they're

637
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 5: full of ship.

638
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't my goal. Honestly. Now you're up wanting to

639
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: be in the business, there was a difference.

640
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 5: There's a difference to differ so that I believe.

641
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: But you understand a guy like me that's wanted to

642
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 4: do since I was a child, this is my goal.

643
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 4: So I really thought, Wow, this is it, Like I'm

644
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: actually gonna get booked. I got to the Hammerstein and

645
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: all the all I'm telling you, all the writers, all

646
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: the guys, the camera, everyone's like, hey, preacher, Hey, preacher,

647
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: how you doing. I don't know these guys, they're all

648
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: talking to me. I'm like, holy shit, Like this is

649
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: really gonna happen.

650
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm so over here.

651
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then because me, you were catering together. We

652
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 4: were hanging out catering and I did nothing that night.

653
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 5: I got paid. I did something.

654
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: Do you think that they held it against you that

655
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Speaker 1: you didn't make it to the town the week before?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like like in their mind, oh, this

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Speaker 1: kid wants he should have been to the town, even

658
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Speaker 1: though he was thousands of miles away.

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Speaker 4: No, because I think Tommy explained it to them that, hey,

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Speaker 4: you Tommy told me he goes. You need to if

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Speaker 4: you guys want him. He works a real job, he

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Speaker 4: is a real life You guys need to sign him

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Speaker 4: to a contract if you want him.

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Speaker 5: He actually said he told.

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Speaker 4: Him that, and that's why, you know, I thought, Okay, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's weird. I'm not bitter about ECW. I'm

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Speaker 4: bitter it sucks that it ended because that was that

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Speaker 4: was definitely our platform. You know, guys, people like me,

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Speaker 4: people like you, that was our platform.

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Speaker 5: That was our niche. I really believe that I'm.

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Speaker 4: A little guy. I'm not a giant. You know, there's

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Speaker 4: guys that have made money in w W not being giants,

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Speaker 4: but I don't know if I was going to be

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Speaker 4: one of them, and I think ECW is my niche.

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Speaker 5: I would love to have tried in you know, WWE.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not. I'm not negative about any of it

677
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: really because everybody that got me to where I was,

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00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 4: I'm just appreciative of that. And it's funny because I've

679
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: had this talk with Tommy and I go, Tommy, I've

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Speaker 4: made it further than a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of people ever will. So I got to be

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Speaker 5: happy about that.

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Speaker 4: Like, I can't be a grumpy old man and think,

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Speaker 4: well I should have been this and I should have

685
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Speaker 4: been that.

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Speaker 1: You know, chances, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't regret anything. You know, I had a great time.

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Speaker 4: I love my career.

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Speaker 1: You know. So what are you doing now?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what I do.

691
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Speaker 1: But I know, but they don't know.

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Speaker 3: They don't know I work for that, So please tell

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Speaker 3: me service.

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Speaker 4: I'm a freaking mailman. Now we can deliver the mail

695
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 4: and freaking deliver it. But I tell you what, I

696
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: really like it. I really like this job. I mean,

697
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: I like being a pro wrestler better. Don't get me wrong,

698
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: but I love it. I actually love delivering mail. My

699
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: customers on my route love me. I guess I'm personable.

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Speaker 1: You're very personable. I love you. I mean, you're you're

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Speaker 1: a good guy. So watch I love you. Christmas is coming.

702
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: You're going to get all those bonuses in the mailbox.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, Christmas time is coming.

704
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Speaker 4: I can't wait you coming.

705
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Speaker 1: Well, the biggest disappointment of twenty twenty is knowing that

706
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, I might not come to Disney

707
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Speaker 1: and I might not get my dinner with Tony and Jen.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very upset about.

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Speaker 4: That we haven't been able to get together for the

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Speaker 4: past few years because of my job, and now I

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Speaker 4: don't have to work.

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Speaker 1: Like I used to, right, So I'm waiting for this

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Speaker 1: pandemic to leave so I can have my dinner.

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Speaker 4: It will happen again, Franny, We're gonna Well.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I feel and I say this before, I

716
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: feel so blessed that I still have like you guys

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Speaker 1: in my life because you are family to me.

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00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: You are a family to me. So I just feel

719
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Speaker 2: good that that you.

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Speaker 1: Guys, and you know, we're still that we still have

721
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Speaker 1: that bond and we can still call each other if

722
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: we need something, and we can still bullshit. So it's

723
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Speaker 1: it's such a pleasure to sit here and talk to

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Speaker 1: you today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I think me and you, for whatever reason,

726
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 4: always had that bond like brothers, sister and and I

727
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 4: don't know if it was because of my my daughter.

728
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: You know my daughter loves me, oh god. At that point. Now, yeah,

729
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: for me, it was it's like, man, you're like one

730
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Speaker 4: of my sisters because I like I told you, I

731
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Speaker 4: grew up before sisters, you know, so it's like I

732
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Speaker 4: kind of I understand how to you know, communicate with

733
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 4: with women as crazy as you guys are.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'll be the first to agmit it.

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Speaker 1: We have our moments.

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Speaker 5: Listen, I'm crazy too, but you know, well.

737
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Speaker 1: Let me too, and if you came from me, CW,

738
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a little bit of that shoe craziness.

739
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: So it's okay. Where can people find you on social media?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, my page is. I really

741
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 4: don't have a fan page or nothing like that.

742
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: But you're you're you're out there.

743
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm on I'm on Facebook, but it's

744
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 4: just like I said, it's more of a friends it's

745
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 4: not really a fan thing. So but I am on it,

746
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: you know. On Twitter, I am, but I don't ever

747
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: go on it. You don't tweet, okay, I don't tweet.

748
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 4: I don't twat, I don't do any of that.

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Speaker 1: We don't do the tweeting.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's too much work for any I can't be

751
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: I can't do.

752
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: Listen, tell me about it. I'm talking all the time.

753
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: My hands hurt.

754
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm a mass right you know, but I I again,

755
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that you and I are still friends.

756
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: So I'm glad I grabbed you. I love you too,

757
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad I grabbed you today and finally

758
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: got you on. And hopefully next year, whether it's at

759
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: a show or just your time, will be able to

760
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: spend some time together.

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00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I hope you guys can get the Disney

762
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: just for your own sake. You guys love it so much.

763
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: I know. I'm so sad junkies.

764
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: Watching YouTube ride videos and pretending we're on them like.

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Speaker 4: It comes to drop the chair the.

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Speaker 1: We're desperate.

767
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Speaker 2: But tell Joan and the kid tell.

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Speaker 4: Her for me.

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Speaker 5: Your family are good people, Frannie.

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00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: Same to you, buddy.

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Speaker 5: So I love you, Thanks for thanks for giving me

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Speaker 5: this time.

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00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 4: So no no problem.

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00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: I love you too, and we'll talk to.

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00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: You all right.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, see you later, Tony, I'm not all right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: H Francine.

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