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Speaker 1: Watching the movie is one thing, But neural hormones, epinephrin stress.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you can be strong to your own detriment. You know,

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to get us in trouble, so

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Speaker 1: preserved in order for what not. You can't put an

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Speaker 1: apple in a vending machine and leave it there for

438
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Speaker 1: three months, you know, but you can put that thing

439
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: that they've manufactured and processed and put in there.

440
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: Our kids are eating process food.

441
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: They're eating processed food. And another misnomer that seems to

442
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: be changing. Wealthy people or famous people or political figures

443
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: are said to get the best healthcare. And in some

444
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: cases that's true. But when you look at Lebron jameson,

445
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: all of that wealth and all of that success did

446
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: not stop him from having a health event that was

447
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: almost catastrophic.

448
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: Yes, and they're pushing these young athletes now, these kids

449
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: are now in these select teams where when we grew up,

450
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: we played baseball, we played football, you know, we played basketball.

451
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: Now these kids at a very young age are getting

452
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: diagnosed because or being directed because everybody's trying to produce

453
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: the next Venus William, the next Tiger Wood. So they

454
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: take their kids and they super specialize them, and they

455
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: only do one thing.

456
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know I have grandchildren. I have noticed

457
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: about my grandson a dirt bike so he could get

458
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: out and play outside because he never goes outside to play.

459
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 2: And uh, and he kind of rode around in it,

460
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: and I realized I was in it with him with

461
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,239
Speaker 2: my foot hanging out. That's how small it was. I

462
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: didn't even fit inside the dirt bike. But I'm trying

463
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: to get him involved in getting out, getting air, getting sunlight,

464
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: getting vitamin D, which we have a deficiency in in

465
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: in black people, and understanding that that that that the

466
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: sun is important. But we have raised the generation of

467
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: kids who are used to playing with our pads in

468
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: video games, in video games. So in a short time,

469
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: he gets off the dirt bike and goes in and

470
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: gets on his video games and continues to play his

471
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Speaker 2: video game. So I ended up buying me one. Uh

472
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: you know, I thought, okay, if you want, I will.

473
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Speaker 2: But but the thing about it is, while they might

474
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 2: be great babysitters, sitting at that age with that energy,

475
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: with that with that testosterone being developed, with all of

476
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: that growth pattern, some people have said it is sitting

477
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: is more dangerous than smoking on the body. What do

478
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: you think about that.

479
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: I think we look at my friends that are spine surgeons,

480
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: have a great future because everybody now is going to

481
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: the chiropractor. Everybody's having back surgery because we sit. That's

482
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: why a lot of the modern executives have these desks

483
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: where they stand at their desk now instead of sitting

484
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: in the chairs. And I coached basketball for my children,

485
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: and I found that the kids that I was coaching

486
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: didn't have the same level of coordination. They were sitting

487
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: down playing video games instead of going outside and shooting

488
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: the basketball. And you know, my kids gamed and I

489
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: had to talk to them because I would go in

490
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: the room and they'd be in there like zombies, playing

491
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: on these networks. And they'd have a bag, a bowl

492
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: of Skittles, a bowl of gummy worms. So they're in

493
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: there eating high fructose corn syrup and they're charged up,

494
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: and their brain is high stimulated, and and and they're

495
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: playing these games and they're they're killing that's the other thing,

496
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, some of these games, you know, our kids

497
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: are killing things or people, and uh, you know, then

498
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: they didn't want to go to school and and and

499
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: read a book because of all that stimulation. So I

500
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: do think that you're you're you're onto something. I think

501
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: it's I'm not going to say that smoking is better,

502
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: but I mentioned the marijuana because at the colleges, I've

503
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: said this, our young people are severely addicted to marijuana.

504
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: When you go into the college campus, there's a mushroom cloud.

505
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: And we spoke to officials at one of the college

506
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: and they said, well, they're using, and I said, well,

507
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: it's one thing, recreational, but if you have to have

508
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: it every day, that's not use, that's abuse. And we

509
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: need to we need to deal with particularly our young

510
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: African American men who were all smoked out. I don't

511
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: know how they're going to fit into this world. As

512
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: jobs are going away, we know what AI is doing

513
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: to the future. These kids need to be locked in

514
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: and figuring out what they're gonna do.

515
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: So this is more than individual choices. It societal changes.

516
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: The jobs that are coming out now are sit down jobs.

517
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: They're all technological, they're AI, and we need those young

518
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: people to be bright in AI. We have to be intentional.

519
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: My grandfather didn't have a gym. Okay, he didn't go

520
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: work out, he didn't get a membership at a gym club.

521
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: But by the time he got through working in the

522
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: fields and getting up early and milking cows and doing

523
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, he got to work out

524
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: in He got stimulation, He got movement. When this country

525
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: manufactured more goods and products. Whether you worked for Pittsburgh

526
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: Steel or Union Carbout or Monsanto or what have you,

527
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: you had a job where you were active, You were moving,

528
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: you were loading trucks, dealing with the settling, dealing with oxygen,

529
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: dealing with all of that. All of those jobs have

530
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: gone away. And most of the jobs, even most of

531
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: the jobs, even regardless of your age, are sit down jobs.

532
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: Most of the snacks are full of sugar and fruit

533
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: toase and all of that. I think it even has

534
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: something to do with Alzheimer's. Talk to us a little

535
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: bit about that, because that is rampant in our community.

536
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: There is a there is a growing community of people

537
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: that believe that sugar metabolism is all things evil, is

538
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: connected to Alzheimer's. It affects the brain, we know, it

539
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: affects the kidneys, It affects the pancreas, it affects the heart.

540
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: When you eat too much sugar, you make fat. When

541
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Speaker 1: you have big loads of insulin secret it you can't

542
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: lose fat for at least ten hours. This is ten

543
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: hours because insulin is what they call an anabolic steroid.

544
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: Its stores a catabolic steroid is increasing the metabolism insulin causes.

545
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: When you when your sugar is high and the body

546
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: detects it, it increase insulin and insulin tells the body

547
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: store fat and so once that you get a bolus

548
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: of insulin, and most of the country's insulin resistant now

549
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: because we're eating so much sugar, the insulin doesn't work

550
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: as well. That's why the glps have caught fashion because

551
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. They make insulin more effective.

552
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: Glps.

553
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: Yes, explain what that ozempic? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay those drugs?

554
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, what about ozmpic? Okay? I know

555
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: it was originally created to help diabetic people, and now

556
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: people are using it to lose weight to help themselves.

557
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: What's the real story on ozempic and medications like that?

558
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: What do we gain? What do we risk? Being obese

559
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: is a problem. So you do want to lose weight,

560
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: but at what expense?

561
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: Well, I think that it's going to take some time.

562
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: Time for us to fully understand all of the risks

563
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: that were associated with these drugs that were being developed.

564
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: We know that they function hormonally. Obesity is a disease.

565
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: It is a disease physiologically, and it is a disease psychologically.

566
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: As you know, there are people that are they have

567
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: BMIs of sixty and seventy and eighty and they can't

568
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: stop eating.

569
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: So I think if you ask.

570
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: Me what I prefer to take a pill or a

571
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: shot inject myself versus having half my stomach cut off

572
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: or having my testines rerouted, I would tell you that

573
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: I think the pharmaceutical approach is less harmful. I do

574
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 1: think that it's going to take some time before we

575
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: understand how these drugs interact. Anytime you take a drug,

576
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: there is going to be a positive effect and there

577
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: are going to be some side effects, and you know,

578
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: we try to balance to make sure.

579
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: That's what keep therapy is. Chemotherapy is an attempt.

580
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: To kill the cells that are bad without killing all

581
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: the cells that are good. So I think that the

582
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: verdict is not out. They are developing now. Ozipic was

583
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: the first generation. We got Manjaro, which was a second generation,

584
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: and now farmers coming up with a third generation, and

585
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: so man loves the tinker and we'll have to wait

586
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: and see where this falls out.

587
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: And we all want to be then, you know, everybody

588
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: wants to be. Then it's it, but not exercise. Yeah,

589
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: but not exercise. Right.

590
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: We want to be strong and not go to the gym.

591
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: Right, exactly, exactly exactly, That's that's the problem, and so

592
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: that's an opportunity for us to really rethink how we

593
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: handle it. It's less invasive than the surgery you talked

594
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: about cutting your stomach out and that sort of thing,

595
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: but it might have side effects. And side effects are

596
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: not limited to the infusion of diverse types of medications.

597
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: It also includes supplements. So some of us are mixing

598
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: supplements with prescribed medications, not realizing that it's all going

599
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: into the same body and releasing different things and it

600
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: has different effects. And we're not talking to doctors. I

601
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: am forever texting doctor Jail with pictures of some supplement

602
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: I've discovered or something I saw and seeing if it's

603
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: going to be harmful or disagree with other things that

604
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: I'm doing and taking. And I think having that expert

605
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: advice and leaning on it is very important.

606
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't think most of the supplements that are out

607
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: there have even been FDA approved. And I don't know

608
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: what factory. You go into the store and you buy

609
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: something in a health store, where was it produced, Was

610
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: it produced in this country, out of this country? What

611
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: was the methods to make sure that it was biologically appropriate,

612
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: that it was a sanitary place that it produced. Anybody

613
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: can get in and say, you know, if you take

614
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: and this is the danger of social media.

615
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: You know this.

616
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: Once you start thumbing and they get an algorithm them

617
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: on you, all of a sudden you start having these

618
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: the guys saying you don't have to have that back pain,

619
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, take this medicine. And it's no one is

620
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: regulating that industry now, right.

621
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: And the danger with that. My first doctor when I

622
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: came to Dallas said to me, anytime you have to

623
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: advertise the medication real hard. It probably doesn't work.

624
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: I was golfing with a gentleman and he was queerying

625
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: me during the course and he was saying, well, what

626
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: about this, and what about that? And what about And

627
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: I kept telling him, well, you know, tuna's made in

628
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: the can, is not you know, tuna's got mercury in

629
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: and he was like, I thought that was healthy. And

630
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: he says, why I go in and I take these

631
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: protein bars and I said, well, you know that the

632
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: protein doesn't really you know, help you like you think

633
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: it does. The body doesn't really take it in. And

634
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: by the time we got to about the fourth hole,

635
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: he said, he says, what can I eat right?

636
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: Right? It is? It's frustrating. It's frustrating. And the other

637
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: thing that I'm seeing a lot of is prostate cancer,

638
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: colon cancer. A lot of times we can eat the

639
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: right things, but if our intestines are not able to

640
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: extract the nutrients out of it, that can be harmful too.

641
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: Look at all the men that died of prostate cancer recently.

642
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: Look at a very famous football player that we both

643
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: have run into that just recently had his entire bladder removed.

644
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: Is you already pointed out, Younger, more severe, more aggressive.

645
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: It's got to be the food. That's what's changed. We

646
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: haven't changed, you know, hundreds of years, you know, we

647
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: haven't changed. It's the environment, it's the level of stress,

648
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: and it's the food that we're eating.

649
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: So it's been said that watching short farm videos affects

650
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 2: the brain diminishes to the brain more than drinking alcohol.

651
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: So I have not read scientific studies that I could

652
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: use to validate that, but this is what I will say.

653
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Speaker 1: I think we know that things that you to get

654
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: excited and capture your attention, particularly in young kids. When

655
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: we talk about ADHD, we see that a lot of

656
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: our young black kids are diagnosed with that. We know

657
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: that these kids that are playing videos can't hold attention span.

658
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: We know that if you don't learn to read at

659
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Speaker 1: a very young age, it's very hard to learn to

660
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Speaker 1: be a discipline reader later on in life. And the

661
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Speaker 1: thing that I think is fascinating about this is the culture.

662
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: The media culture is driving towards shorter clips. I was

663
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: just recently on vacation and I could tell you the

664
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Speaker 1: person because I know you know who they are. But

665
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: they were telling me about their business and that they

666
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: had to come off of their their blogging because they

667
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Speaker 1: were using YouTube formats and YouTube was trying to compete

668
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: with TikTok and they wanted shorter formats and shorter clips.

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Speaker 1: I think they're more addictive, Yes, I think they're more

670
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Speaker 1: And you know this if you go to bed and

671
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: you open up a novel, or you open up the Bible.

672
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Speaker 3: You might follow aslo even twenty minutes.

673
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Speaker 1: But if you get on Instagram or TikTok man you

674
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: look up, it's three or four o'clock in the morning. Right,

675
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you I think Netflix and all that. You know,

676
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: once you get on a show, you know, and you

677
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: can't cut it off right right, you will sit up

678
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: there and spend six hours trying to get to the end.

679
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: We used to have to wait until the next week

680
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: to see what Batman and Robin did. Yeah, yeah, Now

681
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: we don't have to do and we just keep watching

682
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: over and over again.

683
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Speaker 2: I think you should stop talking about me like that.

684
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: This is my show, talk about me what I found

685
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: myself up at three o'clock in the morning, just going

686
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Speaker 2: from one to the other and in a sequel of stories.

687
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Speaker 2: But I should have been sleep.

688
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Speaker 1: They hanged the cliffhanger. My wife would go one more,

689
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Speaker 1: let's watch one more, and this one would end in

690
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: the cliffhanger, and you got to go to the next

691
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Speaker 1: right right.

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Speaker 2: Chapter five, Trusting doctors. You know there has been a

693
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Speaker 2: love hate relations between our culture and doctors and medicine,

694
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Speaker 2: some cynicism and not just now, not just our culture,

695
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: but a lot of cultures where people are allowing people

696
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Speaker 2: to make medical decisions who do not have medical backgrounds.

697
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Speaker 2: I think from the African American perspective, or black or

698
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Speaker 2: however you want to phrase, whatever the common term is

699
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: in your community. For that, our history with doctors has

700
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: not always been good, and so from generation to generation

701
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: there's a skepticism passed down the Tuskegee its experiments and

702
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: all of that kind of stuff. How do we begin

703
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: to rebuild trust Because you can prescribe all day long,

704
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: and you can talk all day long. But if I

705
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: don't trust you, and I'm getting on social media all

706
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: of these other theories. There's all these different theories that

707
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: contradict each other being fed to us perpetually, on and

708
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: on and on. How in all the noise of what

709
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Speaker 2: is right and wrong do we distreniate and understand what

710
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Speaker 2: can be trusted? Well?

711
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Speaker 1: I think you mentioned the Tuskegee experiments. My wife's grandfather

712
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: was a part of those gentlemen that were experimented on.

713
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Speaker 3: We have Henry Henrietta Lackey, the heel of cell.

714
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Speaker 1: I think Oprah produced a story about her, the woman

715
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Speaker 1: that at John Hopkins where they produced the immortal cell line.

716
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Speaker 3: She had cervical cancer. They never told her what she had.

717
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Speaker 1: We know that they experimented on young African American men

718
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: and women at the turn of the last century to

719
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: learn and so that created a huge distrust in the

720
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Speaker 1: African and American community. I argue with my patients a

721
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Speaker 1: lot because they come in and they tell me doctor

722
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Speaker 1: Google said this, Doctor Google said that, and I remind

723
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Speaker 1: them that, you know, that's different than a double blinded

724
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Speaker 1: retelserspective review journal where a bunch of experts have gotten

725
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: together and debated, you know, the safety and the efficacy

726
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Speaker 1: of a drug.

727
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Speaker 3: So I think that it.

728
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Speaker 1: Is up to us. We need to educate more people

729
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: like us that connect to us. You know, it could

730
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Speaker 1: be two o'clock in the morning. You know you got

731
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Speaker 1: a surgeon you can call. You know you have a

732
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Speaker 1: primary care physician you can call. And I think again,

733
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Speaker 1: it goes back to empathy and connection. I think we

734
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Speaker 1: have to have those connections. I think we need them

735
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Speaker 1: now more than ever.

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Speaker 2: Right, let's not assume that this generation understands the Tuske experiment.

737
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Speaker 2: Let's take a minute and backtrack and break down exactly

738
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Speaker 2: what happened in all about.

739
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Speaker 1: So there were a group of gentlemen that were diagnosed

740
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Speaker 1: with syphilis that were studied to see the effects of

741
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Speaker 1: SFE instead of treated, And it was intentional. And I

742
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: do research, and part of my certification for research is

743
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: I have to go back and look at the Tuskegee experiments.

744
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: What happened in Nuremberg when they found out what Hitler

745
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: was doing. Hitler was experimenting on twins, he was operating

746
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: on people. They put Russian soldiers in the cold to

747
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: see how hypothermia affected the body.

748
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Speaker 3: And so now we have all these laws.

749
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Speaker 1: And rules to try to protect people for that, but

750
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Speaker 1: basically black people were experimented on and not provided the

751
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Speaker 1: healthcare in order to treat other people, other Americans, White Americans.

752
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: With the information that was garnered from those experiments.

753
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, we're eradicating our history and altering

754
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: our history to only show the best parts of us.

755
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: But you actually learn more through your mistakes than you

756
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: do through your success. And just for the benefit so

757
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: that history doesn't repeat itself, we need to have some

758
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: knowledge about that. And it's not just in America, it's

759
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: also in Africa. They were experimented on all sorts of

760
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: things we're doing through colonization. A lot of people have

761
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: been used, as you talked about Hitler and all of

762
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Speaker 2: the experiments that were done on various groups of people.

763
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Speaker 2: Why isn't it true that we are not more united

764
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Speaker 2: in speaking out and speaking up since this is a

765
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: common problem amongst poor people. Let's be honest, rich people

766
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Speaker 2: are not experimented on like that. Why are we not

767
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: more united in connecting with one another and pushing back

768
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: and saying no, Because right now it's not even a

769
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: fight between humanity and science. We are letting people make

770
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: decisions about our bodies who have no medical background at all.

771
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: It's become more political than it has been medicine. Why

772
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Speaker 2: are we not speaking up and speaking out about it? Well?

773
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Speaker 1: One of the things I was reflecting on this coming

774
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: in isolation is a terrible thing to be isolated, to

775
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: be ostracized, to experience loneliness. You know, even the Divine

776
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: God had there is father, son, and Holy Spirit.

777
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: They were in community.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that shook Jesus was when he knew

779
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: that he was about to be separated from the father

780
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: that broke him in the garden. Everything else he could

781
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: handle death. He knocked it out. Disease, he knocked it out.

782
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: But in those hours where he knew that he was

783
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Speaker 1: going to be separated from the father, he took three

784
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Speaker 1: men with him and he said, could you not watch

785
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Speaker 1: for one hour?

786
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Speaker 3: And then when he hung on.

787
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Speaker 1: That cross, he said, Eli Lamack's Subacthini, why have you

788
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Speaker 1: forsaken me? I think the isolation that we experience in

789
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: our community has been extremely detrimental. We don't know who

790
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: to talk to, we don't know who to trust. And

791
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: I think when you look at what's going on in

792
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Speaker 1: social media, all of these hoaxes, all of these death hoaxes.

793
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: So and so died today, know they didn't So and

794
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: so just did this know they didn't?

795
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Speaker 3: I think.

796
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Speaker 1: And then now AI can put a picture of you,

797
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Speaker 1: make you talk. You will say and use your voice

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Speaker 1: and say I just went into the church and shot

799
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Speaker 1: five people, and it would go all over the internet

800
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: and people would be trying to fact check it.

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00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been dead five times, by the way I

802
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: have read it in the paper. I'm dead. This misinformation disinformation.

803
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: It is becoming harder and harder to separate the Hamburger

804
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: from the state. How do we I think what you're saying,

805
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: what I hear you saying, is the same thing that

806
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: we advise people about building relationships with their bankers, building

807
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: relationship with your doctors. Right, I think that not just

808
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: coming in a crisis situation. You have a crisis and

809
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: trauma in their emergency rooms and all that sort of thing.

810
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: But we need to wait. We don't need to wait

811
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Speaker 2: till the house burdens down the callifire department.

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00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: We have to have those relationships. We were built for community.

813
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: It's not good that man should be alone. To me,

814
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: there's nothing more devastating in isolation. When I meet people

815
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: that are suffering, particularly the ravages of mental dysfunctions and

816
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: thought disorders, they isolate themselves. When people get ready to

817
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: commit suicide, they isolate themselves. Their parents said, we didn't

818
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: know what was going on. Little Johnny was up in

819
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Speaker 1: the room. We thought he was all right. We went

820
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Speaker 1: up there and little Johnny had taken pills or little

821
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Speaker 1: Johnny had shot himself. I do think that we have

822
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: to build from the family. And you and I could

823
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: have another podcast just talking about the disintegration of the

824
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Speaker 1: black family, the incarceration of black men, you know, the

825
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: emasculation of black men. You know, we hear a lot

826
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: of talk about about our sisters and and you know,

827
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Speaker 1: my wife always reminds me of a quote that says

828
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Speaker 1: that black women were the mules of the earth.

829
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Speaker 3: She quotes a famous author.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that these things are telling a

831
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Speaker 1: story of a community that has been fragmented. It's been fragmented.

832
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: It goes all the way back to slavery. And we

833
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: you know, while we you know, like you said, we

834
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Speaker 1: don't want to people don't want to hear that history.

835
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Speaker 1: Now we know that history repeats itself. And we say

836
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Speaker 1: in surgery that there's good judgment and bad judgment, and

837
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: good judgment often came from bad judgment. A lot of

838
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: what we're doing in medicine now is because we learn

839
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Speaker 1: from our mistakes.

840
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: So if we disregard our mistakes, we taint the possibility

841
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Speaker 2: of our success.

842
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: And we destined ourselves to repeat them.

843
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very frightening thing. So what do you

844
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: think about the post, the brownie post, and give me

845
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: your insight on that situation.

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00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: We know that you can hide behind an alias name

847
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: and say all kinds of things about people, and no

848
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: one even knows who you are, so everybody becomes an expert.

849
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: On the internet and in social media, there is a

850
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: lot of information and misinformation about the vaccine going around.

851
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: What I will say is, and I said this to

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00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: some of the guys I went to college. I remember

853
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: when you used to go down to that store in

854
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: the hood with the little house and knock on the

855
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: door and buy you a dime bag. And you didn't

856
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: know what who produced it, what was in it, and

857
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Speaker 1: you and now all of a sudden, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to take a vaccine that has gone through a high

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00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: degree of scientific scrutiny. You don't know what's in a

860
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: bag of chocolate chip cookies. You don't know what's in

861
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: the bag of potato chips. Re open that look at

862
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: the bag of potato chips and see when they start

863
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: talking about potassium situated this chemical on that chemical. So

864
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Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of superstition that's not

865
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: based in reality. I know a lot of people that

866
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: took the COVID vaccine and they are fine. I know

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Speaker 1: that my brother in law works at the CDC in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: and we recently had a man shoot up the CDC

869
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Speaker 1: because he's blaming the vaccine for problems he has. I

870
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: think this is one of the greatest problems facing this

871
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: generation is how do we decipher what is true? How

872
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: do we decide what is real? How do we distinguish

873
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: AI from reality.

874
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: Yes, it's amazing because as it has become more perfected,

875
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 2: it becomes more and more difficult, especially for a non

876
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: professional to be able to detect it. I know you

877
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: can't diagnose the patient you haven't seen, but allegedly the

878
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: symptoms with our current president, President Trump, where his ankles

879
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: are swelling and he's stumbling from time to time, just

880
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: from an observer's point of view, what type of simp?

881
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: What do the symptoms make you concern? Well, if he

882
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: came in to you to treat him, what would you

883
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 2: check first?

884
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: I would do a broad metabolic panel, I would I

885
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: would do a very thorough interrogation of electrolytes, hormones levels

886
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: in him. We know it's very public that he has

887
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: a horrible diet. We know that he technically is obese.

888
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: I saw just the other day a picture of him

889
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: in the oval office where he twitched his shoulder, and

890
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: people are speculating on what's going on.

891
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 3: He doesn't look healthy. He doesn't look healthy.

892
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: What about the mark Son is saying.

893
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: They attributed that to I believe he was on bloodthinders,

894
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: and I believe that maybe he had some what we

895
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: call echomosis from it. I think the swelling and his

896
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: legs may have been correlated with it. It happens as

897
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: you get older, as you know, things start not working well.

898
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can't speculate on one of the And

899
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: this is the thing is a great question because this

900
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: person that we're talking about has been the chief trumpeter

901
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: of a term called fake news and has created obscurity

902
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: and confusion and a lack of clarity to where people

903
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: don't know what they're watching on the news is true.

904
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: You turn on one channel and you hear one thing.

905
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: You turn on another channel and it's like that was

906
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: a different event and they're talking about the same event.

907
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I was reluctant to bring it up,

908
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: because even as you scroll and you read about all

909
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: these things, you don't know how much is true and

910
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: how much is fiction. But these are reports that have

911
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 2: been validated or passed through through the media, not just

912
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: social media. And I was wondering for other people who

913
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: are experience and seeing similar maladies and swelling other angles

914
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: is extremely swollen, the discoloration on the hand, and so

915
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: forth and so on. What would be the first place

916
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: you would check and what should they be asking or

917
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: telling their doctors about their condition.

918
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: They need to look at their medications and to see

919
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: and you know this medications, when you take a lot

920
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: of them, they interact with each other. Yes, and every

921
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: medication has a good side and a side effect.

922
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: Yes.

923
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: So, but I would remind people that President Trump took

924
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: the vaccine, President Obama took the vaccine. President Biden took

925
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: the vaccine. There are a whole lot of people that

926
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: have taken the vaccine that so, you know this whole

927
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: fear that something horrible has happened. I took the vaccine.

928
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: I know you took the vaccine. We operated with the

929
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: information that we had at the time. We made the

930
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: best decision under those circumstances that we could. People were

931
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: dying everywhere.

932
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the dying death rate has gone way down.

933
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: Sure it is, even though there are exceptions to every medication. Sure,

934
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: sometimes when they get through describing what the medication cure,

935
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: then then they start talking about the side effects. I'm

936
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: not sure whether the side effects aren't worse than the

937
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 2: thing you're trying to cure. And then when you mix

938
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: in with other medications that are in your body, those

939
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: medications start fighting against each other. But I thought, this

940
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 2: is a primary figure in our country who is going

941
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: through a melody right in front of our face. And

942
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: I just wondered, as a physician and as a professional,

943
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: where you would start the search. So thank you for

944
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: sharing that with us. Chapter six, Prevent health issues. When

945
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: you think about solutions, We've talked about the problems. We've

946
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 2: talked about the maladies, we've talked about the health impairments.

947
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the solutions. What are some of the

948
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: things that we can do, little small things that have

949
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: large impacts on our health, before we have heart attapes,

950
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: before we have dementia, before we have those sorts of things.

951
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: What are some things that we can put into practice,

952
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 2: like sleep, habits, eating the right things that we can

953
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: begin to do to be intentional about preserving this body.

954
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: You only get one.

955
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think number one. I tell everybody read

956
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: what you eat. Look just look at what you're eating.

957
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: You know, they make them write it on the box,

958
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: So look at what you're eating. People use the internet

959
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: for everything. Just you can there's a lot of information

960
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: out there on the internet about what you're eating. I

961
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: think children have to be brought up in an environment

962
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: where they're presented healthy food. It's criminal what we've been

963
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: giving the kids in the schools, you know, high carb

964
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: diets with sugar and processed food. So I think it

965
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: starts one of the things that we implemented in our family,

966
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful, and I give my wife credit

967
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 1: for it. We may the kids sit down and eat

968
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: with us. We're so busy, you know this, You know

969
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: important people that are doing We were so busy, we

970
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: missed that time. We have to sit down and eat

971
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: a healthy meal and not always go out to the

972
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: fast food restaurant and pick it up where everybody then

973
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: goes to their room and gets on their phone and eats.

974
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: So I think the nuclear family is where it starts.

975
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: I think we have to sit down and eat together.

976
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: I think we have to teach our kids healthy choices.

977
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: Somebody said to me that if we don't start eating

978
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: our food as our medicine, our medicine will become our food.

979
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 3: I agree.

980
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: I recently was asked by a good friend of mine

981
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: to go and speak to a men's group at church,

982
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: and I was to talk about health, and they wanted

983
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: to talk. They wanted me to talk about heart disease,

984
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: even though I'm a trauma surgeon. And I got in

985
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: there and when I walked in the door, they had

986
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: fried chicken cookies. I stood up and I said, were

987
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: probably gonna have a little moment here, and they all

988
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: lie and the guy that organized, he said, we only

989
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: do it once a year, you know, I said, okay,

990
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think that we've got to be

991
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: more astute about eating the right kind of things. Getting sleep.

992
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: Nobody sleeps anymore, bishop right. People go and they take

993
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: pills to go to sleep, they go to therapists to

994
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: learn how to sleep. They're doing everything because we no

995
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: longer sleep anymore.

996
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: What can we do about that?

997
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think all this electronic stimulation is

998
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: part of the reason our lives are so busy. We

999
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: can't You should be one to be able to talk.

1000
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: How do you cut your brain off? How do you withdraw?

1001
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: I use my phone when I'm on call and I

1002
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: go to work mode so that I don't get these pings.

1003
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: And these beings because nowadays, through that electronic thing that

1004
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: we hold in our hand, everybody has access to us

1005
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. You used to could go up and

1006
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: go for a walk and nobody could get to you. Right,

1007
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: You could just go talk to God and spend a

1008
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: few times in prayer and go back to Now everywhere

1009
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: we go, we're getting pinged and binged and people are

1010
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: coming at us.

1011
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and our attention and span is decreasing.

1012
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: And you know, we went from the big screen movies

1013
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: to shorter stories told on television, to Facebook, which gave

1014
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: you a space for longer content, to Instagram, which is

1015
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: shorter content, to TikTok, which is even shorter content. So

1016
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: our attention span is because it's literally withering our brain.

1017
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: And I will admit, I'll be honest. I slept for

1018
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: a long time with my phone by my bed, and

1019
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: the first thing I did as soon as I opened

1020
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: my eyes was reaching for my phone to see what

1021
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: was going on. And I have started being more intentional

1022
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: about getting up and stretching and moving and going out

1023
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: and getting some sunlight and doing some other things and

1024
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: getting new regiments and breaking those habits is like breaking

1025
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: an addiction.

1026
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 3: Sure it is.

1027
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: It's really an addiction. And so far as the screen

1028
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: is concerned, the body doesn't know to go to sleep

1029
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: when you're watching screens right up to bedtime, and in

1030
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: the bed while you're into bed. And I've been guilty

1031
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: of that too. But those are some of the small

1032
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: changes that we can do to make things better. And

1033
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: finding doctors like yourself who care. One of the things

1034
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: that I said to our producer, one of the things

1035
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: that really touched my heart is how you stayed way

1036
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 2: beyond your shift twenty four hours and did not leave

1037
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: until I was out of danger. That kind of thing,

1038
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: it's boring out of compassion, empathy and relationship. And there

1039
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: are people out there in the hospitals who really do care.

1040
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: They're not just there for the paycheck. There are people

1041
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: out there who really do care. But our relationship started

1042
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: before the crisis, and building those relationships makes me not

1043
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: a number, not an insurance claim. Brings back the dignity

1044
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: of being a person. I've seen some people that put

1045
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: pictures of their loved ones who were in I See

1046
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: you on the counter just so that the technicians could

1047
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: remember this human beings. Yeah, this is a human being.

1048
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: This is a person who had a life, because sometimes

1049
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: when you do that all day, you become hardened to

1050
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: the fact that they are real people. But you, my friend,

1051
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: are real people.

1052
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that.

1053
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: I knew that I was involved in taking care of

1054
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: somebody that meant a lot to a lot of people,

1055
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: and so it was personal for me. And when I

1056
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: go into the emergency room, it's personal for me. And

1057
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: I do think that one of the things that led

1058
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: me to do trauma surgery was if you look around

1059
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: the country, trauma is taught at major hubs, urban settings,

1060
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: mostly on black and brown people. And the people that

1061
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: learn to do the art of surgery then go out

1062
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: into fancier communities where they make, you know, a good living.

1063
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: But you know, I was, along with a lot of

1064
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: the colleagues that served. We were dedicated to the cause

1065
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: of serving the underserved and being there. And I will

1066
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: say this one of the things that is very important.

1067
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: And I had a young man say this to me

1068
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: the other day. When you get shot and somebody opens

1069
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: up your chests and we saw the vessels, what happened

1070
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: to the mind of a twelve year old or fourteen

1071
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: year old to get shot? We throw that little kid

1072
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: back into school thinking that he's normal. Those people need

1073
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody. I don't care how tough he is.

1074
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't care whether his brother was a gang banger.

1075
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: When you're fourteen years old and somebody opens up your

1076
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: chest and puts you back together, that doesn't mean that

1077
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: you're mentally well or that you're ready to reassimilate. We

1078
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,959
Speaker 1: cannot forget that. It is the whole person that needs

1079
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,479
Speaker 1: to be You know, you talked about it. The fact

1080
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: that we had a connection, the fact that you knew

1081
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: that I was there, the fact that I was there

1082
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: beyond the initial procedure.

1083
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 3: That means something.

1084
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: Yes, it meant a whole lot. It meant a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: Chapter number seven, Generational Trauma. I wanted to spend a

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Speaker 2: moment talking about generational trauma. You know, David fought a

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Speaker 2: giant that wasn't his battle to fight, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of times, passing down through history, there's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of materials written both for Jews and Blacks and other

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Speaker 2: ethnicities and groups of people, and even people who grew

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Speaker 2: up in toxic environments that they grow up in a

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Speaker 2: constant atmosphere of trauma to the point that their DNA

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Speaker 2: is rearranged, and so all of a sudden, you're acting

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Speaker 2: out of a trauma that you didn't personally experience. For example,

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Speaker 2: maybe you didn't go through the Holocaust, but your grandmother

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Speaker 2: did and it has affected your trauma, and you're having

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Speaker 2: a traumatic response to something that you didn't experience. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you didn't go through slavery, maybe your third generation from slavery.

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Speaker 2: My great grandmother was a slave. But that trauma passes

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Speaker 2: down generationally and often distorts how we process, how we

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Speaker 2: deal with, how we react to different things like that.

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Speaker 2: Have you done much research into that and is there

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Speaker 2: anything we can do to break that traumatic curse that

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Speaker 2: that is not a result of something we experienced, but

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Speaker 2: maybe our mothers or grandmother's experienced along way.

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Speaker 1: Well, I haven't done scientific research, but I've lived and

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Speaker 1: I say that you know this, particularly African Americans in

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Speaker 1: the South, there was a time when we couldn't talk right,

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Speaker 1: We couldn't express what was going on. We had we

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Speaker 1: put stuff in closets and we closed the door. And

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Speaker 1: we thought that, you know, when we put that little

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Speaker 1: monster in the closet, that we killed that monster, but

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01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: that monster was still there. And I think our I

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: think our our unwillingness and our inability to talk about

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Speaker 1: it has had a tremendous effect. It's like we were

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Speaker 1: talking about stress. I think what you're talking about is

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Speaker 1: in in in almost in a spiritual and a psychological way,

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Speaker 1: is a metaphor for stress.

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Speaker 3: You know, our inability.

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Speaker 1: To to to tell people what happened to us and

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Speaker 1: to share our stories. And now more than ever, people

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Speaker 1: are trying to suppress the narrative, and so we're not allowed.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you lived, you let it dominate you.

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Speaker 1: But you have to understand why you have a hot temper.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have to understand well why you you

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Speaker 1: you suppress things and you can't talk. My greatest fear,

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Speaker 1: you know, with with young particularly young women, is is

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Speaker 1: we see them in the emergency room. They've been abused,

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Speaker 1: they've been physically beat and they don't want to tell

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Speaker 1: on the abuser, right they that they are, That's how

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01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: they're processing and they cannot heal that way. And I

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01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: do think that you're speaking to something that we are

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01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: seeing the manifestations of years of trauma and brutality. And

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Speaker 1: I'll just say this, it bothers me that we see

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Speaker 1: these stories published where these young people are being stopped

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01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: by police officers and they're filming and they're having these

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01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: negative interactions, and we're seeing this and the kids are

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Speaker 1: watching it over and over again. I told my boys,

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01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: I said, if you get stopped, I need to do

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Speaker 1: everything you can to make sure you live. I said,

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01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 1: I can bail you out of jail, I can sue

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01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: the police department, but I can't raise you from the dead.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I finished with this story. I went to visit

1144
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 2: coach McCartney who started Promise Keepers, and Promise Keepers was

1145
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: an amazing movement at that time to see stadiums filled

1146
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: up with white men talking about things that they don't

1147
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: no longer talk about today. Is if he tried to

1148
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: do that now, he'd probably get arrested in it, get

1149
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: picked up by ice or somebody, rather than to talk

1150
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: about the things that he did. But I went out

1151
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: there to talk to him one on one, to see

1152
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: what was different about you that made you have that

1153
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: level of empathy. And he said he went to the

1154
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: funeral because one of his players had lost a loved one,

1155
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: and he sat in the back of the church predominantly

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01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: black church, and he had never seen the amount of

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01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 2: emotion emote from the crowd, the weeping, the crime, the

1158
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 2: screaming out and all of that. And he said he

1159
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: suddenly realized it was an epiphany. He had a moment

1160
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: where he realized they weren't just crying over the death

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01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: of the loved one. It was generations of pain. And

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Speaker 2: I applotted his insight and understanding that. But I think

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01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: we need to understand a little bit better that sometimes

1164
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: when people act out, whether they're black, white, or brown,

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01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: that sometimes they are expressing trauma that they've not been

1166
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 2: able to express any other way. And Martin Luther King

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01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: said that rioting is the language of the people that

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01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 2: are unheard. It is important to realize, regardless of your background,

1169
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: suppressed anxiety doesn't go away. It either comes out in

1170
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: your health, it passes to your children, it acts out

1171
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: in your marriage. But maybe you were mad at your mother,

1172
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: but you took it out on your wife. You know,

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01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: one way or the other, it's going to express itself

1174
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 2: and finding healthy ways to express things and say what

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01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: needs to be said, even if it isn't we're well received,

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01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: Even if it doesn't make you popular, finding some way

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 2: to vent will stop you from running into what I

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01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: ran into. And that's why we're doing the show. Chapter

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Speaker 2: number eight, Craziest surgery. You live in stress. You live

1180
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: in an atmosphere where there's sirens going off every few minutes,

1181
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: people are coming in, there's blood everywhere. People aren't in trauma.

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01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: You're trauma specialist. What's the craziest if you can figure

1183
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: one above the other surgery or incident that you encountered

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01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: in any emergency room.

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Speaker 1: We often people when they have traumatic chest trauma. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: in the emergency room we have to open up the

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Speaker 1: ribs and actually pull the heart out, massage the heart.

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Speaker 1: We call it an edieth or ecotomy. I've probably done

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Speaker 1: forty in my life over my career, and I have

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Speaker 1: been surprised. Just recently had a guy that was shot

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Speaker 1: multiple times and stabbed and had a build up of

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Speaker 1: blood around his heart that we call pair cardio Tampa nod.

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01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: It stops the heart from contracting. I took him up

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Speaker 1: to the operating room, immediately opened up his sternham, opened

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Speaker 1: up his pair of card and released the blood and

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Speaker 1: we were able to save what you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: there was a time when.

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Speaker 3: That would have been a fatal injury.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I've seen people shot with crossbows where the

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Speaker 1: bull went through the chest and barely missed one of

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Speaker 1: the major vessels, and we were able to get in

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Speaker 1: and open up the chest and remove the arrow without

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Speaker 1: unleashing a torrent of blood.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you brought that up, it made me

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01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 2: think of the shooting that happened at one of your

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Speaker 2: hospitals where a shooter got loose. Would you tell that story? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I My hospital always gets nervous when we tell it

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01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: because of the Litigenous society we live in, but I

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01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: can share what was public information is we had a

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Speaker 1: gentleman who was visiting a patient in the.

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Speaker 3: Hospital and it was his baby mama.

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01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: They got into an altercation and when when people went

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Speaker 1: to her rescue, he was armed. He had an ankle

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Speaker 1: bracelet on. There's a new law that Governor Admittt signed

1216
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: into effect based on that incident, and he ended up

1217
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Speaker 1: killing two employees. This active shooter thing we just had

1218
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota just the other day, a young person in

1219
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Speaker 1: their twenties go in there and kill two children and wounded.

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Speaker 1: I think there was a total of fourteen injured. And

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Speaker 1: it reminds me of what happened in Sandy Hook, which

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Speaker 1: was one of the most devastating events that ever that

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Speaker 1: we've ever experienced in this country.

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Speaker 2: How does that effect though you're a professional, when you

1225
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 2: walk in there and you know that you're putting your

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Speaker 2: life on the line, not just saving lives, but you're

1227
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: putting your life on the line every time you put

1228
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Speaker 2: on scrubs, How does that affect you? And how do

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01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: you spell really well?

1230
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Speaker 3: You know, it's a great question.

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Speaker 1: I thought like you were saying that I was okay,

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Speaker 1: because I'm fairly stoic, you know, I think you called

1233
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: me a vulcan at one point in time. I'm very stoic,

1234
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: but I think internally I found out I was grinding

1235
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: my teeth at night, right, and I still have my

1236
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: wisdom teeth. I've cracked several of them, and so I

1237
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: realized that my stress was being manifested at night by

1238
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: the grinding of my teeth. And now the dentists had

1239
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: to make me a bite block. So when I sleep,

1240
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: I put in a guard for my teeth because I'm

1241
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: cracking my teeth. But reading and playing my saxophone and

1242
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: reading or things that I do.

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Speaker 3: I veg out. Music is a great way music is powerful.

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01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great way of dealing with stress.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Thank you. I was a pleasure

1246
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,839
Speaker 3: and a privilege listen.

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Speaker 2: I am so excited that you took the time to

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Speaker 2: spend with my friend and physician and maybe pick up

1249
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 2: some information that would help you to realize the significance

1250
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 2: of the times that we're living in. That you would

1251
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: allow yourself to have this moment with us is very

1252
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: very important. I'm PDJS and it has been my honor

1253
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 2: to share our podcast with you. I hope you walk

1254
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:24,560
Speaker 2: away with it just a little bit more information, empathy, preparation,

1255
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 2: and strategy than what you had before you listen to

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01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 2: this podcast make every moment come Hey everybody, I want

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Speaker 2: to take this time to thank you for watching the

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Speaker 2: Next Chapter podcast. If this conversation inspired you, helped you

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01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: reflect on an idea or spark something new inside of you,

1260
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 2: make sure to like, comment, and subscribe so you don't

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Speaker 2: miss future episodes. Remember, life isn't about how you begin,

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Speaker 2: It's about how you finished strong. Start your next chapter

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