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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little known fascinating

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Speaker 1: facts about your favorite movies, music, TV shows, and more.

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Speaker 1: We're two guys with too much free time on our hands.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jordan run Talk and I'm Alex Hegel

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Speaker 1: And like a lot of people in our age group,

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Speaker 1: Jordan's I think one of the big foundational influences on

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Speaker 1: our lives and sensibilities was the amazing stretch of animation

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Speaker 1: from the late eighties and early nineties Nicktoons. Yeah, today

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about one of those crown jewels

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Speaker 1: in that era, which is Rugrats. Now, I gotta say

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Speaker 1: I was more of a Doug guy. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk more about the Beatles and Stones of nineties

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Speaker 1: animated cartoons. Now, where does Rend and Snippy fit into

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Speaker 1: this analogy? Is Captain Beefheart. Everyone knows this, don't don't

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Speaker 1: come on. Doug, rug Rats and Ren and Snippy all

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Speaker 1: premiered on the same day, August eleven. They turned thirty

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Speaker 1: years old last year, which means that Tommy Pickles would

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Speaker 1: now be sixty five yeah, yeah, it is truly boggling.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was a real heyday and I think

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Speaker 1: I mean, once you started doing this stuff computer like,

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Speaker 1: So in a way, a lot of these wound up

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Speaker 1: kind of a swan song for the form in general. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: episodes of really period pieces in a funny way. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: not to over intellectualized Rugrats, which we will continue to

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Speaker 1: do over the next half hour, but rest assured that's

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Speaker 1: not all we'll do. We'll also talk about how the

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Speaker 1: character of Chucky was inspired by a new wave rock legend,

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Speaker 1: how the voice of Tommy Pickles once recorded her voice

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Speaker 1: overs in between contractions before giving birth, and also how

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Speaker 1: the show's creators got their start on the biggest animation

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Speaker 1: Without further ado, here is everything you never knew about

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Speaker 1: rug Rats. So Rugrats actually has its genesis and the

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Speaker 1: granddaddy of animated hits from this era, which is of

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Speaker 1: course the Simpsons. Yeah, no, that's absolutely right. Rug Rats

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Speaker 1: was the brandchild of the class Key Chupo animation studio.

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Speaker 1: You may remember that from at the end of the

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Speaker 1: every episode they would have some like weird c and

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Speaker 1: bunch of jumbles. Yeah, it looked like some kind of

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Speaker 1: name of a husband and wife team, Arlene class Key

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Speaker 1: and Gabor Chupo. Yes, Hungarian gentleman. Uh. They actually have

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Speaker 1: a very extensive back history in their animation studio. They

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Speaker 1: did the titles for twenty one Jump Street, Any Murphy's

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Speaker 1: biggest thing they were involved with, as you said, were

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Speaker 1: The Simpsons. In the late eighties, the animation studio was

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Speaker 1: became The Simpsons, and one of class Key Chopo's animators

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Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of Gregory Pellous Georgie. You

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Speaker 1: So I mean just the general series wide blanket apology

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Speaker 1: character of Dr Nick You know hi everybody. Um. He

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Speaker 1: was apparently based on Choopo, at least his uh facially

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Speaker 1: But they ended up going with the term rug rats,

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Speaker 1: Jermaine over the direction of the show. These were co creators,

422
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: and it was basically personified the Angelica, the character that

423
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: Paul had created that class Key hated. She was vocal

424
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: about how mean and terrible she thought Angelica was, and

425
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: as the show developed, Germaine you know, wanted to explore

426
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: emotions and encouraged more adult oriented rug Rats scripts, like

427
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: there was one that explained the source of Angelica's bratt

428
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: nous was because of you know, her really self absorbed parents.

429
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: Her mom's the CEO, it's always on the phone, and

430
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: her dad is just kind of like real real push

431
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: over with spoils here. Um so her her meanness is

432
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: sort of exposed for what it is, which is neediness. Uh,

433
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: and Angelica becomes a much more complex character. Class Key

434
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: really just one of the it to be sort of

435
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: a more whimsical show, more fantastical show, one of the

436
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: kids to be kids. And she thought that these episodes

437
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: that Jermaine was overseeing were too dark and the babies

438
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: were acting to adult, which I don't want to I

439
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: don't want to come for her or anything, because she

440
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: created one of the most beloved properties of all time.

441
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: But it's funny in retrospect because some of these episodes

442
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: that you could conceivably call to adult for a child

443
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: show are some of the most beloved ones. Like we talked,

444
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: we've made oblique reference to the Chucky Mother's Day episode.

445
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: Chucky's dad, Chas Finster is uh, which I know, Chuckie's dad,

446
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 1: Chad Finster, he's a he's a widower, and you know,

447
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: for a children's show where all of these parents are

448
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: constant presences in their children's lives, like they do an

449
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: entire Mother's Day episode about how God, I'm getting choked

450
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: up here about how you know Chucky's died, and that's

451
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: that is dark stuff. For a mainstream show, And there

452
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: was one where Angelica was told that she was going

453
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: to have a sibling, and she doesn't react well to it,

454
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: as a lot of little kids do when they're told that.

455
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, they were an only child and now they're

456
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: told that they've got a sibling on the way. And

457
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean dark for two reasons. One, I mean that

458
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: that's that's a heavy thing to tackle for a kid's

459
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: show anyway. And then the actual way they do it

460
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: was where this nightmarish baby comes in that yeah, and

461
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: I think tries to eat her. I believe, Yeah, it's

462
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty bad. So those shows where more more

463
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: came from Paul Germaine, and uh, class Key really was

464
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: not a fan of those, And unfortunately Gabor Chupo, who

465
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: was class Key's husband, was sort of stuck in the

466
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: middle and mediated between class Key and Germaine for this

467
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: for this episodes obligatory spinal tap reference, she was he

468
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: was the lukewarm water, yes exactly Unfortunately for for for

469
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: their Marridge he often sided with Jermaine because he liked

470
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: his writing style and it's probably uh not a coincidence

471
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: that they divorced in the writing staff also was more

472
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: on Germaine's side too, and they they took to basically

473
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: openly mocking Arlen class Key by creating this character Dr

474
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: Lipshits and fans of Rocks remember Dr Lipshitz was sort

475
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: of like the the the Doctor Spock like child rearing

476
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: expert who who d D Pickles worships and he's kind

477
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: of a quack. He's like, you know, nobody knows more

478
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: about children raising kids than then Dr Lipshits, And that

479
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: was supposedly seen as like a you know, a shot

480
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: at class Key who like nobody knows more about kids

481
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: in r Lean, like the kids should do this, kids

482
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: should do that, And so that was, um, it's funny

483
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: now when you see that character, I mean they were,

484
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: they're really mismaking fun of her. So when the show

485
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: went into syndication, after the initial order of sixty five

486
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: episodes was was complete, Jermaine and most of the writing

487
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: staff left the series and they defected to uh to Disney,

488
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: where they created recess for ABC's One Saturday Morning. And

489
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: we could get into this later on, but obviously when

490
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: One Saturday Morning launches, um, you know, Disney essentially poached

491
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: Doug That's right, relaunches that becomes the flagship over there.

492
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: So really the Board of Children's Animation in the nineties

493
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: pretty cutthroat place. Oh yeah, So Jermaine left and its

494
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: evolved into all sorts of legal acrimony. They were prevented

495
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: from talking about their Rugrats exit by a gag order

496
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: as part of their settlement from Classy Chopo and the Kelodeons.

497
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: We should freedom of information request that see if we

498
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: can find out what what the what? Like the depositions.

499
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can you imagine just with the chupo

500
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: during the doctor Nick voice, like my wife, she was

501
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: not happy. Sorry, that's awful. Cut that. So yeah, the

502
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: series kind of went, in my opinion, downhill after Jermaine left.

503
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: The tone and look of the series changes dramatically, and

504
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: in my opinions, for the worst. Like the scripts toned

505
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: out on the darker elements and kind of played up

506
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: the more fantastical stuff, and they broke out of the

507
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: house more. They went into like in space and all

508
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: these other areas. I don't know something about. I like

509
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: the original episodes because it was so self contained and

510
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: so about how the ordinary every day of the home

511
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 1: to a child looks insane and crazy. And it's like

512
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: you said about the look of the animation, it just

513
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: looks more care worn and more individual. And I think,

514
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: like you said, some of this comes into they have

515
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: more money. Now, there's more eyes on it. When Nickelodeon

516
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: brought it back, I mean, this was it was one

517
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: of the biggest shows in cable. So when they when

518
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: they renewed it in uh I think it was six

519
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: is when they started, they renewed it for new episodes. Yeah,

520
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: they obviously had a lot more money to hire a better,

521
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, better colorist firm. I think what do they

522
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: call that when they are not an animator, but the

523
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: people who actually do the fine the kind of finish

524
00:29:52,120 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: it up grunts. We'll go with grunts, sorry animators. And

525
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: having said all that, we'll be right back with more

526
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: too much information right after this. But then so obviously

527
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: we have to talk about the other thing that came

528
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: out of the show's enormous popularity and the relaunch, which

529
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: is the movie that is right. Rugrats was the first

530
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Nicktoon to get its own film, the Rugrats Movie and

531
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: Night It became the first non Disney animated film to

532
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: gross a hundred million dollars domestically and no less a

533
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: film titan than Steven Spielberg, director of Hook, which we

534
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: will talk about shortly, Uh called Rugrats one of the

535
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: greatest animated franchises of all time, declaring it a sort

536
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: of TV Peanuts of our time. What a pool quote.

537
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: But of course Nickelodeon never wanted to let sleeping dogs

538
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: lie and not make money, decided to build on the

539
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: success of this movie movie with a couple of possibly

540
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: advised moves. Yeah. The first spinoff was All Grown Up,

541
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: which initially started as a TV special in two thousand

542
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: one called rug Rats All Growed Up. And it was

543
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: what was there was a backdoor pilot where they make

544
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: these TV specials that they air basically a gauge interest

545
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: and if there's a big response, and they take that

546
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: as a pilot and build a whole series around it. Now,

547
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: All Growed Up was a tenth anniversary special which showed

548
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: the rug Rats babies as tweens, and it was wildly popular.

549
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: I think it was the most viewed Nickelodeon episode ever

550
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: at that point. So of course the show immediately went

551
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: to series. There were two other spinoffs that that didn't

552
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: really make it one rejected pilot followed Susie Susie Carmichael

553
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: and her family was called Meet the car Michaels, and

554
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: it would follow Susie's family as they moved to Atlanta

555
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: and help her grandmother run the family restaurant. It's like

556
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: when they made the Cheers spin off the Tortelis or Frasier. Well,

557
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: sure Frasier is a successful one, but they was. I

558
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: don't remember the Tartell. They tried, no one does. They

559
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: tried to um spin off Carla Tortelli's ex husband, Nick,

560
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: who's played by Dan Hedeia character actor. Amazing, amazing, amazing,

561
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: um and uh, it was just drowned under a wave

562
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: of of Italian American stereotype complaints. So it was not

563
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: long for this world. So so that was one that

564
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: I think only made the pilot. There was another called

565
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Preschool Days, which would focus on Angelica and Susie at school.

566
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: A couple episodes were made and they were released as

567
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: like a DVD special feature, and they're done in this

568
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: really bizarre computer animated style that really it's kind of

569
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: off putting. I mean, this would have been in the

570
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: in the era of like Beast Wars and reboot, like

571
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: when just when like computer animation was kind of starting

572
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: to come into its own, and some executive presumably it

573
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: was like, hey, we should get us some of that,

574
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: because I don't think Nickelodeon had many computer general animated

575
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: style in that property. But you remember like Beast Wars,

576
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: like Jerky and Bad that was reboot. They were both

577
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: done by the same studio. I don't have a segway

578
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: for any of that. Um. So, as with a lot

579
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: of things that get mismanaged or middle managed into hell. Um,

580
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: all of this sort of meddling and trying to build

581
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: on the success of the of the of the property

582
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: sort of foreshadow the show's decline. UM. The original series

583
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: ended up wrapping up in two thousand four, but until

584
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: SpongeBob SquarePants supplanted it, it was the longest running Nicktoons ever,

585
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: um thirteen years. Right. Yeah, you mentioned earlier that Tommy

586
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: would be thirty one in August, which means Sue would

587
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: be sixty four this year. I think he was born

588
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: in d d is about a year younger, so about

589
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: the same age, and Grandpa Lou would be dead. He

590
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: would have gone to the Great Emation Studio. In this

591
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 1: guy there is a sort of happy ending to all us.

592
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: So there was a new reboot for Regrets that premiered earlier,

593
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: and the series actually picked up where the original Paul

594
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: Germaine series left off, with only the original characters. So

595
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: Tommy's little brother deal wasn't there, and we didn't talk

596
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: about dal that's right. Yeah, it's probably for the best. Yeah,

597
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: no one, Yeah, he's dead to us. Um And actually

598
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: Paul Germaine came back, so it's the original uh creative

599
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: trio of Class B two Boe Germain uh. And they're

600
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: all almost completely except for Christine Kavanaugh voiced by their

601
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: original voices. So it's a fairly happy ending there. But

602
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: we can't leave well enough alone and leave off on

603
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: a happy ending, so probably go. I want to ask

604
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: you about the most wild um internet theory. Yeah, we're

605
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: about the rug rats. Please take us there. This isn't

606
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: a one size fits all segment, but we are hoping

607
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: to wear people who don't want to have their childhood

608
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: completely shattered before their eyes. You can just turn off now,

609
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Thanks have a good one. Um. So,

610
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: this is not a one size fits all bit, but

611
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: we are hoping to when there are fan theories about

612
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: certain properties that we're discussing. We're hoping to spotlight them,

613
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: and it just happens that this one is a real doozy. Um.

614
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: There's a popular fan theory circulating on the internet that

615
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: essentially posits Angelica as the only rug rat who is real.

616
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: Every other character in the show are figments of her

617
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: imagination because she is a neglected child and has created

618
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: this ensemble cast of characters to help make her through

619
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: her lonely, lonely days without getting into the truly truly grotesque, grotesque,

620
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: dark grim I mean, this is this is like, uh,

621
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: this is like if Harmony Corene had scripted grog Rats.

622
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: It gets into some dark, dark stuff. So if you're

623
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: interested in that, just google it, but maybe don't. And

624
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: so this is funny too because it's one of the

625
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: rare fan theories that has been addressed by the creator.

626
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: Arlene Klasky was asked about this at a convention and

627
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: she shot it down rightfully, so because as we said,

628
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: it is dark slightly more whimsical. Um, there is an

629
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: interesting theory that posits Tommy Pickles is a timelord like

630
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, this one's a little more fun. You know,

631
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: the babies go to outer space's part of a dream sequence, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: part of it. They don't actually go to outer space. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think that the creators. Did they nod

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Speaker 1: to this with the Easter Egg? Yeah? They I mean

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Speaker 1: there's Grandpa Lose in the background and he appears as

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Speaker 1: a what do they call day like daylight? Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say, I mean that's the spinoff that they should

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Speaker 1: have done tommy time. Yeah, I would like that in

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Speaker 1: a heartbeat. Yeah, now can we get this. We'll send

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Speaker 1: us to Nickelodeon and try to try to send us

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Speaker 1: the viacom or of her own regrets now and try

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Speaker 1: to get that mad Um. I think that's all I

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Speaker 1: got on on Rugrats. Yeah, I mean it's it is

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Speaker 1: truly one of the going back and reading about this,

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Speaker 1: I was really shocked that, like there was so much

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff because it is really one of

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Speaker 1: the most pure things that exists. I do, I surely do. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So reading about this, I was really shocked by some

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Speaker 1: of the behind the scenes stuff because the finished product

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Speaker 1: is so pure and so it is not problematic at all,

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Speaker 1: and our modern lens, it's aged so wonderfully and it

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Speaker 1: it really remains something that is, you know, very distinct

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Speaker 1: and very wonderful, even as it's all grown up. Well

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Speaker 1: you know how I goal we're all grown up too.

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Speaker 1: No no pan to snow globe exactly. It was all

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Speaker 1: a dream. Well, everyone, thank you so much for listening

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Speaker 1: as we unpacked the Well I'm Crazy History as a

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Speaker 1: different Thekelodeon show The Well I'm Crazy History of rug Rats.

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