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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. Welcome back everyone. This week,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about one of my favorite elk

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Speaker 1: hunting topics, and that is calling elk. Primarily, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about bugling bulls and bugling escalation techniques to

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Speaker 1: incite a brawl. I'm gonna give you the secrets to

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Speaker 1: getting elk to play ball and a good formula for

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Speaker 1: firing up a bull and playing out a bugle sequence

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Speaker 1: from the location all the way to drawing that bowl

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Speaker 1: into your lap. Calling elk can be one of the

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Speaker 1: most exciting and honestly interactive forms of hunting there is.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing like a direct challenge vocally to that big

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Speaker 1: herd bowl or the elk running around the mountain. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna walk you through a cadence of calling to help

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Speaker 1: you build momentum in a calling sequence. But first i

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Speaker 1: want to share the story of a bowl that went

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Speaker 1: from not wanting to play to getting Piste off and

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Speaker 1: in my lap after I called him every name in

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Speaker 1: the book. This story takes place in Montana during the

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Speaker 1: middle of September. Now, this should be perfect rut time,

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Speaker 1: and and it really was. But the trouble this particular week,

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Speaker 1: it was really hot and there was a full moon,

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Speaker 1: so I really believe that a lot of the elk

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Speaker 1: activity was taking place at night. I had a few

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Speaker 1: days before I had to start guiding again, and like

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Speaker 1: I always do, I'm out there hunting for myself when

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Speaker 1: I use it as Hey, I'm out hunting chasing bulls

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Speaker 1: and too now i'll know where the bulls are when

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Speaker 1: it's time to guide. So killing two birds with one

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Speaker 1: stone the day before, I think I had two days

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Speaker 1: left before the hunters came in. So I'm out and

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Speaker 1: I just I really me personally the way I like

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Speaker 1: to hunt. I like the bugle in elk, and I

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Speaker 1: just was not getting in a response to those cruising spots,

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Speaker 1: checking spots, going to a lot of different places and

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Speaker 1: just couldn't really get anything to fire up. But I

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Speaker 1: did spot a group of elk the day before in

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Speaker 1: this one particular area. It's really timbered, kind of like steep.

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Speaker 1: I would say it's almost about three quarters away up

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Speaker 1: the mountain below the alpine, just in this like steep

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Speaker 1: dark timber basin. But there's one side that had like

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Speaker 1: some more openings and sparse and I saw some elk

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Speaker 1: moving through that with a nice bull in it. So

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Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, the next day, I'm gonna go in

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Speaker 1: But instead of going in right at first light, I

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Speaker 1: decided I'm gonna go in there like a few hours

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Speaker 1: early in the dark and see if I can hear

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Speaker 1: anything calling. So I get to the point it's quite

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Speaker 1: a while before daylight, but I'm just trying to locate

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Speaker 1: where those elk are so I can kind of get

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Speaker 1: it myself into position before daylight, or even just have

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Speaker 1: an idea of if I'm in the right basin, if

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Speaker 1: they're still here. So I throw out a locator bugle,

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Speaker 1: just a long bugle and get a good echo so

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Speaker 1: I know that I'm in a good spot where they

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Speaker 1: but I'm just sitting there. I've got nothing to do

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Speaker 1: but wait. And about thirty minutes after that, bugle. I

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Speaker 1: hear a bugle, Okay, cool, those elk or at least here,

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Speaker 1: So I wait and I just what I do is

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Speaker 1: see how long between the bugles they're going and this,

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Speaker 1: you know, bugle back, and it's just like nothing I was.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping for one of those days where I

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Speaker 1: and it's just was not was not in the cards

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Speaker 1: just kind of wondering, Okay, did they move off? Do

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Speaker 1: what's going on? So we wait a little bit longer.

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Speaker 1: Now we're getting a little bit closer to daylight, and

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Speaker 1: So I give him another bugle as it's getting closer

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Speaker 1: I get a little bit closer. I throw out a bugle,

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Speaker 1: it as well, but he bugles back. Now I'm building

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Speaker 1: a report with this bull. This bull that I originally

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Speaker 1: He responds, but he's just not that interested in me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I can get him piste off, because I'm at this

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Speaker 1: point fairly piste off, like it's peak rut. There's elk

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Speaker 1: these bugles almost immediately. It's like the best time of day.

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Speaker 1: There's no better time of day where this can happen.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what the heck is going on? So I

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Speaker 1: he still isn't getting aggressive, but he's calling back, so

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Speaker 1: I give him a challenge call and he just kind

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Speaker 1: of gives me like a we're over here, dude, you know,

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Speaker 1: Every time that bowl bugles. Now I'm just cutting it

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Speaker 1: And now that bowl is bugl ng, and now I've

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Speaker 1: bugle almost immediately right back. So I'm okay, this is good.

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Speaker 1: But I'm pacing my bugles out where he's not losing interest,

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Speaker 1: So I get to a point where it's no longer

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Speaker 1: last bugle I made was a fairly aggressive bugle with

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, now I marked that spot in my mind.

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Speaker 1: and now it's not me starting the bugle off, but

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Speaker 1: it's him. Because it seemed like it was always I

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Speaker 1: So by the time I get now to where I

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Speaker 1: film myself, so I've got the camera set up. I

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Speaker 1: see the antler tips of this bull and a really

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Speaker 1: good like mature heavy, five by five, probably the herd

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Speaker 1: bull in the area, just like a solid, solid bull,

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Speaker 1: and I just it's like super thick. It's not really

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Speaker 1: full I've got my camera set up, and I just

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Speaker 1: see the antler tips coming down. Sweet drawback. The bull

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Speaker 1: steps out in the open. I give him and he

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Speaker 1: stops and looks my direction and I look at my

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Speaker 1: the frame and I'm full draw. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know what my problem is. I'm I'm like, man, you

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Speaker 1: should just shoot this bull. But now I'm trying to,

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Speaker 1: like at full draw, slightly move the camera over with

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Speaker 1: starts to like tip over, like oh no, So I

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Speaker 1: catch it then with my elbow, I'm trying to just

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Speaker 1: he's standing there twenty yards and I finally somehow, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know how I did it. I'm like finangling

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Speaker 1: standing there looking in my direction. I'm like, perfect, I

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Speaker 1: think I get it close, and I'm like, screw it

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Speaker 1: He's just right there now bugling. I'm bugling like he's

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Speaker 1: opportunity he walked off, So we're just bugling back and forth.

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Speaker 1: I saw him. So then I keep following him, and

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Speaker 1: whatever and never got a response. But I thought to myself. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well this is my last day to hunt for myself.

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Speaker 1: I'll come right back in here tomorrow with a hunter

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Speaker 1: and we'll see if we can't do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: So the next morning, I essentially started out doing the

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Speaker 1: exact same thing, but I started a little bit later

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Speaker 1: because I thought there was a long period of time

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Speaker 1: I was just sitting there in the dark with nothing,

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Speaker 1: no noise, nothing, and just see if he ends up

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Speaker 1: being kind of doing a similar pattern to what he

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Speaker 1: did that day. So the hunter comes in, I kind

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Speaker 1: of told him, yeah, we got some bulls located, let's

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Speaker 1: go see if we can get one. So the next

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Speaker 1: day we go in there. Sure enough, kind of like

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Speaker 1: the same deal. I fire off bull like sponds. A

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Speaker 1: while later. It's just kind of like that point where

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Speaker 1: half where I keep calling and then I get those responses.

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Speaker 1: He starts building up. Now we've got that bull. But

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Speaker 1: unfortunately this next day I started where I was. He

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Speaker 1: was down below me. The day before. He was a

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Speaker 1: lot higher than next day. So we're hiking and hustling

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Speaker 1: got him to a point where he's bugling back fairly readily,

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Speaker 1: or even before that point where if I if I

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Speaker 1: can see that escalation building, that's when I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: off and start cutting the distance to him. Most of

431
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Speaker 1: the time, this will happen like these location bugles, will

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Speaker 1: happen at probably a distance because it's not really going

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Speaker 1: to escalate into that fight over those long distances. But

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Speaker 1: I'm also going to key into the type of bugles

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Speaker 1: he's making now as I get closer, as I move

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Speaker 1: in in between the calls, I'm just gonna start closing

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00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,959
Speaker 1: the distance every time between my calls, and at some

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Speaker 1: point it's gonna build an escalation of the type of call,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna turn to what I would call it

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Speaker 1: display call where he's just saying giving a good mean

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00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: bugle to kind of assert his dominance whether he has cows.

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Speaker 1: If you hear that right away from a bull, it

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00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: probably means that that bull has cows and he's telling

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Speaker 1: those cows like, I'm dominant. I'm dominant. Don't listen to

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Speaker 1: that guy over there. I'm dominant, but I will try

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Speaker 1: to match that, or if he's not doing that, I'll

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Speaker 1: do that and see if he starts to match that,

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00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: because you'll notice that bulls will start to talk back

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Speaker 1: and forth in the same tones. So if I'm just

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Speaker 1: throwing out like a more of a long note bugle,

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Speaker 1: you might get the a lot of those in response.

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Speaker 1: If you start hearing that more dominant style bugle, that

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Speaker 1: that more aggressive bugle, that's what you're looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: Say that bull probably has cows, but he's talking to

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Speaker 1: those cows and saying that he's in charge. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: then start escalating from a timing thing to more of

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Speaker 1: a type of call thing where I'm matching his intensity

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Speaker 1: and his passion. One thing without calling, I think be

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Speaker 1: a good olt call. You really have to feel that call.

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Speaker 1: You have to feel like you got to get into

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Speaker 1: the mindset of that bull and understand what is he saying.

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Speaker 1: Is he pissed? If you get a bugle back, ors like,

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Speaker 1: oh that feels strong, you want to reply in kind,

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Speaker 1: you want to give him strong. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of misconception with people that here a strong bugle

466
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Speaker 1: and they're like, well, I'm just gonna bugle week because

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Speaker 1: I don't want to scare him away. If you have

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Speaker 1: that mindset, I mean, that's that's fine. You know, different

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Speaker 1: strokes for different blokes. I just would rather be a

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Speaker 1: bull that's like worth of damn worth of fight, where

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Speaker 1: I'm the bull that's saying to those cows, No, that guy,

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Speaker 1: you don't deserve that guy, you deserve me. I'm coming

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Speaker 1: over there to kick his ass. Because if a bull

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Speaker 1: rounds up his cows and moves away, it's probably that

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00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: you're doing something right, not doing something wrong, and you

476
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Speaker 1: can actually play off of that. So I start out meek.

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Speaker 1: But if that bull starts to escalate or I want

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Speaker 1: to start escalating to a fight now, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: switch that cadence to a more aggressive sound, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: that bull will start that more aggressive sound. I'll start

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Speaker 1: throwing in a little bit more chuckling. That's the you know,

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Speaker 1: the like the and I'm gonna start building that chuckling,

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00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: and you should start hearing that bull doing the same.

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Speaker 1: So we've gone from a cadence of throwing out a

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Speaker 1: location bugle and maybe not getting a response right away

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Speaker 1: to then cutting the time in half and getting that

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Speaker 1: bull to start responding more regularly. Now we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: asserting more dominance, and we're gonna hope that that bull

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Speaker 1: starts doing the same. Now if that bull doesn't, so

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00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: you throw out a more dominant sound where you're just

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Speaker 1: talking to the cows and asserting your your presence, and

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00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: that bowl just kind of keeps a more. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: kind of escalate to that level. You may find that

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Speaker 1: it could just be a satellite bowl thinking out by

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00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: himself looking for a cow, and he'll probably at that

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00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: point be coming in quiet. So if you kind of

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Speaker 1: go to that and you give it a show, a

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Speaker 1: display show, and the other bowl doesn't respond that way,

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Speaker 1: you may actually find that if you do that and

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Speaker 1: the bull shuts up, keep calling. Now, start throwing out

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Speaker 1: cow calls and other things, because that bowl may actually

502
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: be coming your way, and he may be more of

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00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: a satellite bowl that's just going to come in quiet

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00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: and investigate and see what's going on, so you can

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Speaker 1: kind of build the escalation and then understand what that

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Speaker 1: elk might be doing or what that elk might be thinking.

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Speaker 1: If you do that call, though you're more dominant, you

508
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: throw out a call where you're just asserting that dominance

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Speaker 1: the cows, and you keep getting that call in return.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to start closing in that distance to

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Speaker 1: that herd because I'm probably assuming that he probably has

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Speaker 1: some cows or whatever, and I'm gonna start making that

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Speaker 1: sound and now I'm going to get in there and

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Speaker 1: before I start to challenge him. Now, challenge calls more

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Speaker 1: like a call where it's just a I pitch and

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00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: then real fast, real aggressive chuckle, chuckle, chuckle, or you'll

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00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: start hearing some growls and some other things. But that's

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00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: when you really know, Okay, that bull wants to fight.

519
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: That bull is probably gonna come in and I'll throw

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00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: those calls out myself to see if I can incite

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Speaker 1: that in whatever elk I'm calling to. Once I've escalated

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Speaker 1: the calling, so I've gone, I've started cutting down the

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Speaker 1: time the bulls starting to react. Now, while all that's

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Speaker 1: going on, I'm closing in. I'm closing in. I'm closing

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00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to close that gap between me and

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Speaker 1: that elk. I'm never gonna assume that that elk is

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Speaker 1: just gonna come straight to me. What I want to

528
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: do is I want to get up in his business,

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Speaker 1: and then when I get close enough, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a point where I really want to piss that bull off.

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Speaker 1: And I find one of the best ways is as

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00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: that bull starts bugling. Once he now is kind of

533
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: initiating an angry bugle and challenging me or getting aggressive,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw my call out there, maybe start chuckling

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00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: at him and cut his bugle off. That's a surefire

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00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: way to really piss off a more dominant bull. And

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00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: in the mixt of that, I might be breaking a

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00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: tree or whatever, because he's probably fired up and now

539
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm fired up and I'm trying to match that fire level.

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00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: But also sometimes when I get in close cutting him

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Speaker 1: off and saying, oh, you're gonna talk, No, I'm gonna talk.

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00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: You can't talk to those cows. I'm gonna talk to

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00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: those cows, and that is a really good way to

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00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: try to get that bull to commit that last bit

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00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: of distance. Now that you've got a little bit better

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00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: idea of bugling and building the timing and the escalation

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00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: to go from locating that elk to hopefully getting him

548
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: fired up and wanting to challenge you. Next week, we're

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00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: gonna jump into what I like to call building an

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00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: elk party. So it's adding in those cows sounds and

551
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: creating this illusion that you are where the parties at.

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00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: You're the bull, you're bugling, You've got all the cows,

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00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: You've got the hot cows. So we're gonna throw in

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00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: some cow calls and just help build out an allusion

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00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: to a full calling setup of not just the bugles,

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00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: but creating a party that all the other elk want

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00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: to join in on. If you're like me, I hope

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00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: that you've got an elk tag this season, and these

559
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: tips will help you come September. So it's plenty of

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00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: time bust out your bugles start doing some of these practices.

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00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: If you listen to this podcast while you're in the car,

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00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: that's actually when I do most of my bugling practice

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00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: or calling practice. Grab some calls, grab some bugles, keep

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00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: them in your truck. Generally when you're by yourself and

565
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 1: you can cruise down the road making cow sounds, elk sounds,

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00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: bull sounds, whatever, and be ready for September to go

567
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: to roll off and challenge that elk. So until next time,

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Speaker 1: keep escalating the challenge. We will Bugle Actulator