Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always
Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to
Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at lambeau Field to continue
Speaker 1: us our discussion of Packers OTAs we did our show
Speaker 1: earlier this week, kind of looking back at last week.
Speaker 1: Since then, we have now had access to another practice,
Speaker 1: another media availability, some different news and nuggets to talk about.
Speaker 1: But I think first and foremost, having heard from multiple
Speaker 1: defensive linemen who spoke to the media on Tuesday after practice,
Speaker 1: it sounds like not only do these guys on the
Speaker 1: defensive line get together to catch some NBA playoffs and
Speaker 1: maybe watch or consume some pizza and wings, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like they also bring their iPads. There's been some
Speaker 1: study sessions at Kenny Clark's house as part of kind
Speaker 1: of a little off season bonding and improvement.
Speaker 2: It's so cool when you hear these type of stories too,
Speaker 2: because it's like, it seems like yesterday it was little
Speaker 2: Kenny Clark with big personality, Mike Daniels leading that room,
Speaker 2: and Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews are the outside linebackers.
Speaker 2: And now here we are year ten. For Kenny, he's
Speaker 2: the one now pulling guys together. He's the one now
Speaker 2: trying to build that camaraderie among the defensive lines. So
Speaker 2: basically how the story goes is, you know him and
Speaker 2: Rashan Gary both have talked about this in the past.
Speaker 2: They've done a lot of stuff during the season. Thursday
Speaker 2: night football guys get together, they spend time. Kenny usually
Speaker 2: opens up his house to you know, the younger guys
Speaker 2: on the roster come over, hangout, talk whatever. Well, this offseason,
Speaker 2: if you know how voluntary off season program works is
Speaker 2: whether here Monday through Thursday, Tuesday through Friday, depending on
Speaker 2: how the week orientates itself, guys are free to go
Speaker 2: when that four day week is over, Yeah, then get
Speaker 2: on a plane. These gift come back on money and
Speaker 2: do whatever they want a lot of guys are choosing
Speaker 2: to stick around this year. And as Kenny said, and
Speaker 2: actually was Rashaun that mentioned, he's been here. This is
Speaker 2: a seventh season now, he's not done anything like this
Speaker 2: before where guys have been going over to Kenny and yeah,
Speaker 2: they still do the wings, they still do the pizza.
Speaker 2: But now it's been going through the individual periods of practice,
Speaker 2: watching their film, as Kenny said, trying to show the guys,
Speaker 2: the younger guys on the roster, how to set up locks,
Speaker 2: what the formations look like this defense, understanding your role
Speaker 2: in it. I think that's an important piece right now
Speaker 2: for them because the defensive front is at an interesting
Speaker 2: little crossroads here. What they did well last year, you know,
Speaker 2: seventh ranked run defense, best performance against the run in
Speaker 2: the last fifteen years. Well, now you're losing TJ. Slayton,
Speaker 2: who was a big, you know, run stuffer in the
Speaker 2: middle of that, and you're going to try to, you know,
Speaker 2: maintain what you did. At the same time, one of
Speaker 2: the big points of contention that guys have been discussing
Speaker 2: is wanting to improve the PA rush, the four man pressures,
Speaker 2: not have to rely so much on exotic looks, you know,
Speaker 2: blitz packages, simulated pressures, but to actually be able to
Speaker 2: get home with four And what Rashan was saying is
Speaker 2: he feels like that right now has them set up
Speaker 2: as with off to a fast start and believing that
Speaker 2: that's me something that's going to propel them for now
Speaker 2: into the summer.
Speaker 1: A little interesting nugget that I took from that is
Speaker 1: not just the you know kind of the eleven on
Speaker 1: eleven and whatnot. And sometimes even they're watching film of
Speaker 1: other pass rushers around the league and you know, sharing
Speaker 1: their thoughts as they examine, you know, other successful players,
Speaker 1: but they're also watching the individual drills that they're doing
Speaker 1: in practice. And I think what I took from that
Speaker 1: is that that speaks to me to some of the
Speaker 1: new methods and techniques they're being taught by DeMarcus Covington,
Speaker 1: the new defensive line coach, that they want to watch
Speaker 1: those individual drills and how those things are coming along
Speaker 1: and get a chance to see, you know, how their
Speaker 1: teammates are executing those techniques and how different guys are
Speaker 1: coming along. Because you and I have been there at practice,
Speaker 1: we see, you know, the players line up for the
Speaker 1: certain drills and everybody kind of takes their turn. But
Speaker 1: when you're just standing there kind of waiting in line
Speaker 1: or catching your breath for the next rep or whatever,
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily watching the details of how your teammate
Speaker 1: is doing something. But if you watch the individual individual
Speaker 1: drills on film, you can you can look at every
Speaker 1: single guy and a leader leaders of the group like
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark and Rashaan Gary, they can take a look
Speaker 1: at how the younger guys are doing and and and
Speaker 1: maybe point some things out to help them out before
Speaker 1: the next practice, so that so that they maybe don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have to hear it from the coaches or have
Speaker 1: the coaches in their ear about stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: So it's a it's an interesting it's an interesting process
Speaker 1: that that the group is going through in the off season.
Speaker 1: As you said, there's a lot of focus on improving
Speaker 1: the pass rush, but they stop the run pretty darn
Speaker 1: well last year. It's it's not and there has been
Speaker 1: a change in position coaches, but it's not like you're
Speaker 1: just throwing everything out and starting over. There's a lot
Speaker 1: to work with here with what the Packers defensive line
Speaker 1: accomplished in the offseason. But the bottom line, as Kenny
Speaker 1: Clark said when he answered one of the questions about
Speaker 1: the pass rush, is it wasn't good enough. It wasn't
Speaker 1: good enough to win a championship. And these guys know
Speaker 1: that they can do better, that they can produce more,
Speaker 1: and that's what they're.
Speaker 2: After for sure. Mike and also understanding where I know
Speaker 2: you're probably talking about this in a second, but understand
Speaker 2: where these guys are at too. I mean, I'm happy
Speaker 2: that Kenny finally sort of talked about what he was
Speaker 2: dealing with last season. Yeah, like he'd been We knew
Speaker 2: there was a tow injury and there was a foot
Speaker 2: injury there that he'd been dealing with since Brazil, and
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to blame any turf. He wasn't going
Speaker 2: to go down that route when he was talking to us.
Speaker 2: But that's September, what was it, fourth, Yeah, and then the.
Speaker 1: Packers are ideay of September.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Packers are playing into mid to late January.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is a long time for that thing
Speaker 2: not to get a lot of time to heal. And
Speaker 2: he mentioned he had surgery right after the season. On it,
Speaker 2: Lucas Vaness was dealing with some stuff. And it's not
Speaker 2: that injuries are excused. You're always gonna have injuries in
Speaker 2: this game. But I think where is in the back
Speaker 2: of the Packers' minds is Okay, if we can get
Speaker 2: some of the things to go our way on the
Speaker 2: health front, if you bank on this young talent we
Speaker 2: have on this roster, we're gonna get to where we
Speaker 2: want to go. And I think particularly on the defensive interior,
Speaker 2: we talk so much about the receiving cores and how
Speaker 2: young they went there. Now, certainly having Kenny kind of
Speaker 2: skews the numbers, but they did the same exact thing
Speaker 2: on the defensive line, and we saw it with you know,
Speaker 2: DeVante Wyatt. Now going into year four, you have Carl Brooks,
Speaker 2: Kolbe Wooden. This is a very young group still that
Speaker 2: now also has a lot of experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I just want to say this
Speaker 1: because we've heard a lot of stuff this offseason being
Speaker 1: tossed around about Kenny Clark going into year ten. He
Speaker 1: didn't have a great year nine, And you know, is
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark at the end and Lucas van Ness not
Speaker 1: living up to his you know, billing as a first
Speaker 1: round draft pick to this point. And it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where sometimes you just have to you have
Speaker 1: to stop, you have to take a step back and
Speaker 1: wait until you really know all the facts. Because because
Speaker 1: Clark Clark injured that foot, the toe, whatever the major
Speaker 1: issue was, it happened in that in the opener in Brazil,
Speaker 1: he was on the injury report essentially for three months,
Speaker 1: but he never missed a game and Kenny Clark and
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark is interviewed as much, if not more than
Speaker 1: anybody else in that Packers locker room, and not once
Speaker 1: last year did he say anything about his injury. He was,
Speaker 1: you know, and he knows he had one sack and
Speaker 1: five quarterback hits last year. That is like career lows
Speaker 1: for Kenny Clark. He knows statistically it was probably his
Speaker 1: worst season when you just look at the numbers. But
Speaker 1: now that everybody knows more of the facts, hopefully it's like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark is just going to turn thirty years old
Speaker 1: this year. He's not necessarily done. And when it comes
Speaker 1: to Lucas van Ness, he's trying to play with a
Speaker 1: broken thumb, you know, different raps and whatever else, and
Speaker 1: those things diminish over time as things get healthier. But
Speaker 1: he's a young player trying to find his way with
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on him, and that comes with
Speaker 1: the territory. I get it. But when you're not fully
Speaker 1: healthy and you don't you don't have the full use
Speaker 1: of all of your physical capabilities, you're not going to
Speaker 1: be able to maximize on what you've got, what you
Speaker 1: can show as a player. It's just so I just
Speaker 1: I always try to caution everybody, and I think what
Speaker 1: we heard about these two guys in particular in the
Speaker 1: off season, it's just you got to take a step
Speaker 1: back and wait until you really understand everything that goes on.
Speaker 1: Because we're not going to hear it from the coaches,
Speaker 1: We're not going to hear it from the general manager.
Speaker 1: They're not going to reveal all these details. But when
Speaker 1: the players are willing after the fact to talk about it,
Speaker 1: we start to learn more and things that happened to
Speaker 1: your ago start to make a little bit more sense.
Speaker 2: And its way into the story I wrote about the
Speaker 2: defensive line and some of these get togethers they've had.
Speaker 2: But one comment I really liked from Kenny too, as
Speaker 2: he was asked by Jason Wilde about Hey, how long
Speaker 2: do you want to do this? Yeah, and so many times,
Speaker 2: and there's no right or wrong answer to this, but
Speaker 2: so many times you do get them. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: until the wheels fall off. I'm gonna do this, or
Speaker 2: that I want to go fifteen years or whatever. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna play into my forties and Kenny's like, until my
Speaker 2: film is regressing, Yeah, that's when I don't want to
Speaker 2: do this anymore. When I can't go out there and
Speaker 2: give what I've given for the last ten years, nine years,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here anymore. I think his
Speaker 2: line was they need to get rid of me, Yeah,
Speaker 2: something like that, and that it shows you his maturity,
Speaker 2: It shows you his perspective, and it also shows you
Speaker 2: that Kenny Clark doesn't think he's anywhere near that point.
Speaker 2: He still thinks he has some good football in front
Speaker 2: of him. And he doesn't turn thirty until October fourth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that crazy entering entering year ten in the
Speaker 1: NFL and he's he's still still at twenty nine right now.
Speaker 2: Him and Randall Cobb, I think where I think Cob
Speaker 2: was the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, some other things to get to with regard
Speaker 1: to Week two of OTAs, but I'll take care of
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Speaker 1: better all right. A couple other guys that we heard
Speaker 1: from and I touched on some of these in a
Speaker 1: five Things Learned at OTA's story that was posted late
Speaker 1: in the day on Tuesday on Packers dot Com. Keishaan Nixon,
Speaker 1: we sort of heard during the offseason from both general
Speaker 1: manager Brian Gudakunst and head coach Matt Lafleur that Nixon's
Speaker 1: comments right after the season was over about not wanting
Speaker 1: to do kickoff returns anymore, that those might have been
Speaker 1: just delivered out of frustration a little bit too much
Speaker 1: emotion as it related to the loss in the playoff
Speaker 1: game in Philadelphia. Well, Nixon essentially confirmed that that, yes,
Speaker 1: he admitted he was a little emotional that day after
Speaker 1: the playoff loss. Obviously, he had taken that nasty shot
Speaker 1: to the head on the opening kickoff, which wasn't called
Speaker 1: and it led to the fumble, and then the replay
Speaker 1: still didn't give the Packers the ball back. All that
Speaker 1: a big play, right, off the bat in the game
Speaker 1: and the Eagles end up taking a seven to nothing lead.
Speaker 1: But Nixon is he is up for what the coaches
Speaker 1: want him to do if they want him back there
Speaker 1: on kickoffs. With now that change in the rule that
Speaker 1: touchbacks will be at the thirty five instead of at
Speaker 1: the thirty Now Nixon isn't convinced that's going to give
Speaker 1: him more opportunities. But if it does give him more opportunities,
Speaker 1: I think Nixon wants to be the guy with the ball.
Speaker 2: In his hands. I think so too, And it was
Speaker 2: refreshing to hear him in his perspective on this because again,
Speaker 2: we finally are four months out from the end of
Speaker 2: the season. You actually can start to to let that
Speaker 2: be what it was and move forward. And I think
Speaker 2: Keishaan with a clear mind, obviously sees what his value is.
Speaker 2: And let's be honest too, Mike. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a guy that has done every single thing the Greemit
Speaker 2: Packers have wanted him to do since the day he
Speaker 2: came in. Kishaw Nixon didn't come in as a number
Speaker 2: one corner or a perimeter starting cornerback. He came in
Speaker 2: as a guy that was kind of a dime and
Speaker 2: then contributing on special teams, and then if you remember
Speaker 2: he wasn't even the returner at the beginning, that kind
Speaker 2: of manifested itself midway through the twenty twenty one season
Speaker 2: where it's like, okay, now he's in the cards for that, right,
Speaker 2: So I should say twenty two season. But be that
Speaker 2: as it may. Here we are going into another season.
Speaker 2: I think the Packers and watching these practices, they have
Speaker 2: a multitude of different options they can do, if with kickoffs,
Speaker 2: with punts. Mkole Hardman is in that conversation. Matthew Golden
Speaker 2: is in that conversation. But like Kishawn said, he's like,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, when the game's on
Speaker 2: the line, I want the ball in my hand. So
Speaker 2: I think he will ultimately end up being a part
Speaker 2: of this kickoff consternation whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: that the Packers are working through. What I'm curious to
Speaker 2: see is with the role that he has now on defense,
Speaker 2: how much of that do you need to take off
Speaker 2: his plate? Maybe none. I mean, Jayden Reid's still returning
Speaker 2: punts and is you know, the leading receiver for greing
Speaker 2: to by the past two seasons, So maybe Kishan will
Speaker 2: take the full compliment. But whatever the case may be,
Speaker 2: this is a guy that's been an All Pro in
Speaker 2: this league returning kickoffs and he understands the value that
Speaker 2: presents for his football team.
Speaker 1: I think the difference when you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: for example, the Keishaw Nixon versus Jaden Reid, when it
Speaker 1: comes to the return game, the return team is going
Speaker 1: out there, whether it's punt or kickoff, right after the
Speaker 1: defense has been on the fiece. So that makes it
Speaker 1: more difficult at times for somebody like Nixon. If the
Speaker 1: defense just gives up a ten play, seventy five yard
Speaker 1: drive for a touchdown and then oh yeah, you were
Speaker 1: just out there on the field for all ten of
Speaker 1: those plays. Now go return the kickoff. That might be
Speaker 1: a little bit too much, and that's where you can
Speaker 1: get into issues with with potential fatigue, injuries and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But on the opening kickoff of the game, on the
Speaker 1: opening kickoff of the second half, when when a defensive
Speaker 1: player like Nixon is rested and ready to go, those
Speaker 1: may be the opportunities where where then he is the
Speaker 1: kickoff returner and maybe after a long defensive drive for
Speaker 1: a score, then somebody else goes back there. I'm just
Speaker 1: speculating here, you know, in in that regard, but but
Speaker 1: we'll have to see, We'll have to see how that
Speaker 1: shakes out. Another player we heard from wide receiver Romeo Dobbs.
Speaker 1: He assured everyone that that he's doing well off of
Speaker 1: the the two concussions that he had late in the season,
Speaker 1: the second one coming in the playoff game in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: that that sidelined him for the rest of that game.
Speaker 1: He didn't go into any details about his recovery. He
Speaker 1: didn't want to, didn't want to share that. He did
Speaker 1: say it was a long process, but he's doing well now.
Speaker 1: He certainly looks great on the practice field. But I
Speaker 1: think again in sort of these things like okay, let's
Speaker 1: just take a step back here, and I know there
Speaker 1: were issues with Dobbs and the suspension last year, and
Speaker 1: it sounds like long ago everybody put that, put that
Speaker 1: in the rearview mirror. But just step back and let's
Speaker 1: give Romeo Dobbs his space to get where he wants
Speaker 1: to get health wise, and let's see what he does
Speaker 1: in a contract year.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I care about with eighty seven
Speaker 2: going into his fourth NFL season is just making sure
Speaker 2: what happened at the end of last season. The human
Speaker 2: being Romeo Dobbs a person is good. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: we'll take the football player thing from there. Fortunately, as
Speaker 2: you mentioned, he's looked great in the off season program,
Speaker 2: which is a staple of Green Bay summers the last
Speaker 2: four years. I mean, Romeo Dobbs has always been a
Speaker 2: top performer in OTA's and mini cams. Catches a ton
Speaker 2: of passes. He was doing it again during the two
Speaker 2: minute drill in practice both last week and on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that part of it is cool.
Speaker 2: The other thing I really like too, He got talking
Speaker 2: about the young guys in that room, and as he mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, Matthew Golden a stud, but he also talked
Speaker 2: about kind of the responsibility he feels to help bring
Speaker 2: those guys along. Yeah, he had some veterans, not a lot,
Speaker 2: He had a few, you know, Sammy Watkins came in here, obviously,
Speaker 2: Alan Lazard, you know, a little taste there one season
Speaker 2: with Randall Cobb, but for the most part, you know,
Speaker 2: him and Christian Watson have kind of had to drive
Speaker 2: that bus here the last two years. And for guys
Speaker 2: like Savion Williams for Golden for even you know, you
Speaker 2: look at a Dontavian Wicks, who's still an up and
Speaker 2: coming guy. I mean, these guys that have come in
Speaker 2: behind them. I really appreciate what he said because he's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, they got drafted here. If they have questions,
Speaker 2: I'm going to help them. I'm going to do whatever
Speaker 2: I can to bring them along. So, Yeah, Romeo Dobs
Speaker 2: has been a pros entire time here. It was unfortunate
Speaker 2: what happened last season, but it's cool to hear his
Speaker 2: perspective now on things, how he feels he improved from
Speaker 2: that whole experience and now hopefully being able to stay
Speaker 2: healthy er going into the twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and another player we heard one we actually don't
Speaker 1: hear from a lot, just because he's not keen on
Speaker 1: a lot of the media stuff in doing interviews, but
Speaker 1: he's certainly a big part of this of this Packers
Speaker 1: team is right tackle Zach Tom, And in a very
Speaker 1: engaging and extended conversation with reporters yesterday, it reminded me
Speaker 1: or I sort of realized how easy it was to
Speaker 1: forget that while Zach Tom was an absolute rock at
Speaker 1: right tackle, and at the end of the season he
Speaker 1: ends up, I believe, getting the third most votes all
Speaker 1: Pro votes for the right tackle position. It becomes easy
Speaker 1: to forget that this guy had a torn pectoral muscle
Speaker 1: in the off season. He didn't participate at all in
Speaker 1: OTAs or mini camp, and he got back on the
Speaker 1: practice field for basically the last two weeks of training
Speaker 1: camp to get himself ready to go week one and
Speaker 1: to be able to play in that opener in Brazil.
Speaker 1: And Zach tom Is is as h as quiet and
Speaker 1: humble as they come. But uh, but you could sense
Speaker 1: he he sort of revealed it a little bit that, uh,
Speaker 1: that there was definitely some some pride that he took
Speaker 1: in the fact that he got himself ready to play
Speaker 1: week one and he was ready to go when the
Speaker 1: bell rang uh last September, and UH and certainly now
Speaker 1: going through this offseason completely healthy, not having to focus
Speaker 1: on rehab, being able to focus on, you know, really
Speaker 1: honing the craft and improving his game, he's got uh,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of high hopes for himself and
Speaker 1: UH and for this team in general obviously.
Speaker 2: So first and foremost, there's a part of me that
Speaker 2: still can't quite comprehend what him and Tucker Craft were
Speaker 2: able to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as well, Both.
Speaker 2: Of those guys suffered the torn packs early in the
Speaker 2: off season program, don't participate in the off season program,
Speaker 2: and then like the on field stuff, and then both
Speaker 2: turn in career years and differing degrees, you know, statistically
Speaker 2: or just kind of you know, perception wise. And for Tom,
Speaker 2: not that it's it's obviously huge for Tucker as well,
Speaker 2: but for playing that position, that is fascinating tearing your
Speaker 2: pack because it's not just about how it's going to
Speaker 2: respond when you're playing again, it's how you build strength
Speaker 2: to play that position. Yeah, looking at Zach Tom, I
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to be a three hundred and
Speaker 2: ten pound man when his playing days are over. You know,
Speaker 2: he's you can sometimes see the structure and almost like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is Look at Corey Linsley right right, right, Corey
Speaker 2: Linsley took off like one hundred pounds quickly. You're putting
Speaker 2: that mass on your body. It's not just always naturally
Speaker 2: fitting like that. Yeah, for him to be able to
Speaker 2: find a strength program that worked for him to be
Speaker 2: able to maintain his size and his strength while not
Speaker 2: being able to probably even bench press for four months
Speaker 2: or whatever it ended up being. It was impressive. It
Speaker 2: was impressive to see him be able to come out
Speaker 2: play as well as you did. He's quiet, he's steadfast.
Speaker 2: He just does his job. But the one thing that
Speaker 2: you really think about, he's on the other side of
Speaker 2: the offensive line. But there's so many times when I
Speaker 2: look at him and I go, you know, in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: they got David Baktiari in the fourth round, you know,
Speaker 2: out of Colorado. They had just won one game, you know,
Speaker 2: the previous year I think is his last year at college.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, his last his last year at Colorado.
Speaker 2: And you have Zach who's at Wake Forest, which no
Speaker 2: disrespect and no disrespect to the Demon Deacons over there.
Speaker 2: The football program hasn't always been, you know, known as
Speaker 2: one of the big perennial East Coast you know, acc
Speaker 2: top dogs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just.
Speaker 2: Is so steady in what he does. He finds his
Speaker 2: way to Green Bay, you know, in you know, the
Speaker 2: third day of the draft three years ago and now
Speaker 2: suddenly looks like one of the best right tackles in football.
Speaker 2: It was cool too hearing Matt Lafleur talk about it
Speaker 2: because he was asked, you know, hey, Zach tom right
Speaker 2: tackle right, and he said, probably that's the way. It's definitely,
Speaker 2: that's probably it's gonna work out. But still having his
Speaker 2: versatility in his back pocket too. With all this, I
Speaker 2: I don't know. Michael Elton Jenkins has done some cool
Speaker 2: things for the Packers. I will never take anything away
Speaker 2: from what Elton's done. But Zach is a guy that
Speaker 2: has completely wowed me every single time. When he got here,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, that's a guard, maybe a center. Never
Speaker 2: could play tackle, he's too small for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah he does. He does not look physically like an
Speaker 1: NFL offensive tackle, not the prototype anyway. And I'm with you,
Speaker 1: I thought he would. I thought he would play guard
Speaker 1: here and look at like.
Speaker 2: Watch his film. Yeah, it's the same thing with Dave,
Speaker 2: Like there is just a finesse there, there is a intelligence.
Speaker 2: And when you're talking about how engaging the conversation was,
Speaker 2: that's Zach. He's a very smart young man. And yeah,
Speaker 2: so I was cool. I was really happy that he
Speaker 2: was a part of that whole media carousel. Unfortunately I
Speaker 2: wasn't able to be over there. I was on the
Speaker 2: other side of the room, but very interesting to hear
Speaker 2: his comments and perspective heading into your.
Speaker 1: Four Yeah, somebody someday needs to do a complete study
Speaker 1: of this Packers offensive lineman fourth round thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we go all the way back to two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Josh Sitton was a fourth round pick too. Thousand and nine. TJ.
Speaker 1: Lang was a fourth round pick. Two thousand and thirteen
Speaker 1: was both Treader and Baktyari both in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: Oh and then, by the way, the following year, in
Speaker 1: the fifth round, you get Corey Linsley, who obviously all
Speaker 1: pricked up being being a steal at that stage. And
Speaker 1: then and then here in the Brian Gudokunst era, you
Speaker 1: find Zach tom in the fourth round of the draft.
Speaker 2: It's cool too when we talk to these rookies. Now
Speaker 2: we remember talking to John Williams about this. Guys realize that,
Speaker 2: like if you go to Green Bay on Day three,
Speaker 2: what that could potentially mean? Yeah, yeah, like that's not
Speaker 2: nothing like it's actually when you used to talk about
Speaker 2: like undrafted free agency and having a reputation. No, this place,
Speaker 2: through generations has developed that reputation of yeah, well you
Speaker 2: got drafted in Day three. You got drafted in the
Speaker 2: seventh round like Rashid Walker, but you're gonna get a
Speaker 2: chance to still be a star in this league. Yeah
Speaker 2: it's impressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. Well with that, we'll call it a
Speaker 1: rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. We have two
Speaker 1: more episodes this off season, which will be next week
Speaker 1: during the mandatory mini camp, which is the final week
Speaker 1: of the offseason program for the players before the big
Speaker 1: summer break, then leading up to training camp. So two
Speaker 1: more to go, Weston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, I can't wait for It's gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: All right for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for
Speaker 1: tuning in everybody, and we will see you next time.