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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to

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Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at lambeau Field to continue

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Speaker 1: us our discussion of Packers OTAs we did our show

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, kind of looking back at last week.

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Speaker 1: Since then, we have now had access to another practice,

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Speaker 1: another media availability, some different news and nuggets to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But I think first and foremost, having heard from multiple

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Speaker 1: defensive linemen who spoke to the media on Tuesday after practice,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like not only do these guys on the

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Speaker 1: defensive line get together to catch some NBA playoffs and

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Speaker 1: maybe watch or consume some pizza and wings, but it

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Speaker 1: sounds like they also bring their iPads. There's been some

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Speaker 1: study sessions at Kenny Clark's house as part of kind

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Speaker 1: of a little off season bonding and improvement.

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Speaker 2: It's so cool when you hear these type of stories too,

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Speaker 2: because it's like, it seems like yesterday it was little

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Speaker 2: Kenny Clark with big personality, Mike Daniels leading that room,

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Speaker 2: and Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews are the outside linebackers.

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Speaker 2: And now here we are year ten. For Kenny, he's

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Speaker 2: the one now pulling guys together. He's the one now

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Speaker 2: trying to build that camaraderie among the defensive lines. So

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Speaker 2: basically how the story goes is, you know him and

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Speaker 2: Rashan Gary both have talked about this in the past.

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Speaker 2: They've done a lot of stuff during the season. Thursday

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Speaker 2: night football guys get together, they spend time. Kenny usually

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Speaker 2: opens up his house to you know, the younger guys

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Speaker 2: on the roster come over, hangout, talk whatever. Well, this offseason,

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Speaker 2: if you know how voluntary off season program works is

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Speaker 2: whether here Monday through Thursday, Tuesday through Friday, depending on

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Speaker 2: how the week orientates itself, guys are free to go

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Speaker 2: when that four day week is over, Yeah, then get

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Speaker 2: on a plane. These gift come back on money and

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Speaker 2: do whatever they want a lot of guys are choosing

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Speaker 2: to stick around this year. And as Kenny said, and

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Speaker 2: actually was Rashaun that mentioned, he's been here. This is

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Speaker 2: a seventh season now, he's not done anything like this

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Speaker 2: before where guys have been going over to Kenny and yeah,

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Speaker 2: they still do the wings, they still do the pizza.

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Speaker 2: But now it's been going through the individual periods of practice,

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Speaker 2: watching their film, as Kenny said, trying to show the guys,

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Speaker 2: the younger guys on the roster, how to set up locks,

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Speaker 2: what the formations look like this defense, understanding your role

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Speaker 2: in it. I think that's an important piece right now

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Speaker 2: for them because the defensive front is at an interesting

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Speaker 2: little crossroads here. What they did well last year, you know,

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Speaker 2: seventh ranked run defense, best performance against the run in

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Speaker 2: the last fifteen years. Well, now you're losing TJ. Slayton,

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Speaker 2: who was a big, you know, run stuffer in the

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Speaker 2: middle of that, and you're going to try to, you know,

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Speaker 2: maintain what you did. At the same time, one of

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Speaker 2: the big points of contention that guys have been discussing

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Speaker 2: is wanting to improve the PA rush, the four man pressures,

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Speaker 2: not have to rely so much on exotic looks, you know,

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Speaker 2: blitz packages, simulated pressures, but to actually be able to

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Speaker 2: get home with four And what Rashan was saying is

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Speaker 2: he feels like that right now has them set up

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Speaker 1: A little interesting nugget that I took from that is

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Speaker 1: other pass rushers around the league and you know, sharing

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Speaker 1: their thoughts as they examine, you know, other successful players,

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Speaker 1: but they're also watching the individual drills that they're doing

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Speaker 1: those individual drills and how those things are coming along

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Speaker 1: coming along. Because you and I have been there at practice,

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Speaker 1: So it's a it's an interesting it's an interesting process

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Speaker 1: As you said, there's a lot of focus on improving

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Speaker 1: the pass rush, but they stop the run pretty darn

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Speaker 1: well last year. It's it's not and there has been

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Speaker 1: a change in position coaches, but it's not like you're

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Speaker 1: just throwing everything out and starting over. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: accomplished in the offseason. But the bottom line, as Kenny

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Speaker 1: good enough to win a championship. And these guys know

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Speaker 1: and that's what they're.

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Speaker 2: After for sure. Mike and also understanding where I know

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Speaker 2: you're probably talking about this in a second, but understand

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Speaker 2: where these guys are at too. I mean, I'm happy

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Speaker 2: that Kenny finally sort of talked about what he was

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Speaker 2: dealing with last season. Yeah, like he'd been We knew

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Speaker 2: there was a tow injury and there was a foot

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Speaker 2: he wasn't going to blame any turf. He wasn't going

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Speaker 2: to go down that route when he was talking to us.

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Speaker 2: But that's September, what was it, fourth, Yeah, and then the.

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Speaker 1: Packers are ideay of September.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Packers are playing into mid to late January.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is a long time for that thing

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Speaker 2: he mentioned he had surgery right after the season. On it,

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Speaker 2: Lucas Vaness was dealing with some stuff. And it's not

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Speaker 2: that injuries are excused. You're always gonna have injuries in

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Speaker 2: this game. But I think where is in the back

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Speaker 2: some of the things to go our way on the

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Speaker 2: health front, if you bank on this young talent we

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Speaker 2: have on this roster, we're gonna get to where we

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Speaker 2: want to go. And I think particularly on the defensive interior,

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Speaker 2: we talk so much about the receiving cores and how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I just want to say this

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Speaker 1: because we've heard a lot of stuff this offseason being

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Speaker 1: Clark Clark injured that foot, the toe, whatever the major

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Speaker 1: Kenny Clark is interviewed as much, if not more than

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Speaker 1: five quarterback hits last year. That is like career lows

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Speaker 1: for Kenny Clark. He knows statistically it was probably his

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Speaker 1: this year. He's not necessarily done. And when it comes

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on him, and that comes with

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Speaker 1: the territory. I get it. But when you're not fully

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Speaker 1: Because we're not going to hear it from the coaches,

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Speaker 1: We're not going to hear it from the general manager.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to reveal all these details. But when

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Speaker 1: we start to learn more and things that happened to

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Speaker 2: And its way into the story I wrote about the

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Speaker 2: But one comment I really liked from Kenny too, as

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Speaker 2: he was asked by Jason Wilde about Hey, how long

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Speaker 2: do you want to do this? Yeah, and so many times,

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Speaker 2: and there's no right or wrong answer to this, but

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Speaker 2: so many times you do get them. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: until the wheels fall off. I'm gonna do this, or

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Speaker 2: that I want to go fifteen years or whatever. I'm

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Speaker 2: film is regressing, Yeah, that's when I don't want to

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Speaker 2: give what I've given for the last ten years, nine years,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be here anymore. I think his

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Speaker 2: something like that, and that it shows you his maturity,

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Speaker 2: It shows you his perspective, and it also shows you

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Speaker 2: that Kenny Clark doesn't think he's anywhere near that point.

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Speaker 2: He still thinks he has some good football in front

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Speaker 2: of him. And he doesn't turn thirty until October fourth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that crazy entering entering year ten in the

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Speaker 1: NFL and he's he's still still at twenty nine right now.

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Speaker 2: Him and Randall Cobb, I think where I think Cob

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, some other things to get to with regard

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Speaker 1: we sort of heard during the offseason from both general

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Speaker 1: I think the difference when you're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 2: Watch his film. Yeah, it's the same thing with Dave,

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Speaker 2: Like there is just a finesse there, there is a intelligence.

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Speaker 2: And when you're talking about how engaging the conversation was,

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Speaker 2: that's Zach. He's a very smart young man. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I was cool. I was really happy that he

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Speaker 2: other side of the room, but very interesting to hear

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Speaker 2: his comments and perspective heading into your.

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Speaker 1: Four Yeah, somebody someday needs to do a complete study

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Speaker 1: of this Packers offensive lineman fourth round thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we go all the way back to two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 1: Josh Sitton was a fourth round pick too. Thousand and nine. TJ.

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Speaker 1: Lang was a fourth round pick. Two thousand and thirteen

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Speaker 1: Oh and then, by the way, the following year, in

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Speaker 1: find Zach tom in the fourth round of the draft.

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Speaker 2: It's cool too when we talk to these rookies. Now

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Speaker 2: we remember talking to John Williams about this. Guys realize that,

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Speaker 2: like if you go to Green Bay on Day three,

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Speaker 2: what that could potentially mean? Yeah, yeah, like that's not

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Speaker 2: nothing like it's actually when you used to talk about

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Speaker 2: like undrafted free agency and having a reputation. No, this place,

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Speaker 2: through generations has developed that reputation of yeah, well you

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Speaker 2: got drafted in Day three. You got drafted in the

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Speaker 2: seventh round like Rashid Walker, but you're gonna get a

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Speaker 2: chance to still be a star in this league. Yeah

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Speaker 2: it's impressive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. Well with that, we'll call it a

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Speaker 1: rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. We have two

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Speaker 1: more episodes this off season, which will be next week

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Speaker 1: during the mandatory mini camp, which is the final week

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Speaker 1: of the offseason program for the players before the big

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Speaker 1: summer break, then leading up to training camp. So two

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Speaker 1: more to go, Weston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, I can't wait for It's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: All right for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: tuning in everybody, and we will see you next time.