1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Ordinarily we run right into discussing the biggest issues of 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: the day, but there is a press conference right now 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: in Vall Day, Texas. All of the latest facts being 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: laid out by the police officers and the situation there 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: at the shooting. I want to get this information just 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: like you do. Let's go right now live. Eleven thirty one, 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: the suspect shooting in between the vehicle is when it began. 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Patrol vehicle gets to the funeral home. Multile shots are 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: fired outside the school. At eleven thirty one, patrol car 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: accelebrats on the parking lot. Was by the shooter, That's 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: exactly what I was talking about. It was the ID 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: officer at that time. He passes and leaves the camera view. 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: There's multiple shots fired at the school at eleven thirty two, 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: at eleven thirty two, twenty seven, eleven thirty two, thirty six. 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: That eleven thirty three is when the suspect entered the 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: school at the door that I'm pointing through now. The 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: eleven thirty three, the suspect begins shooting into the room 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: one eleven or one twelve. It's not possible to determine 21 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: from the video angle that we have at this point 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: in time. We do know this that he shot more 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: than one hundred rounds based on the audio evidence at 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: that time, at least one hundred rounds heard. At eleven 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: thirty three or eleven thirty three, he started shooting in 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: the classrooms well. At one eleven and one twelve and 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: eleven thirty five, three police officers entered the same door 28 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: as the suspect entered. All three of those police officers 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: worked for the Uvaldi Police Department. They're later followed by 30 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: another four The team of Uvaldi police officers three and 31 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: also a county sheriff county deputy sheriff, so a total 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: of seven officers weren't the scene. The three initial police 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: officers that arrived went directly to the door and two 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: received grazing wounds at that time from the suspect. While 35 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: the door was closed eleven thirty seven, there was more gunfire. 36 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: Another sixteen rounds was fired to eleven thirty seven, one 37 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: eleven thirty seven and sixteen second eleven thirty eight, eleven 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: forty eleven forty four. At eleven fifty one, a police 39 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: sergeant and USB agents started to arrive. At twelve oh three, 40 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: officers and get continued to arrive in the hallway, and 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: there were as many as nineteen officers at that time 42 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: in that hallway. At twelve fifteen, we know that Board 43 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: TACK members arrived, not the entire Board Tack, but members 44 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: of Board Tack along with shields. At twelve twenty one, 45 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: the suspect our again was believed to be at the door. 46 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: At eleven twenty one, law enforcement moved down the hallway. 47 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: At eleven fifty they've reached the door using keys that 48 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: they're able to get from the janitor because both doors 49 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: were locked. Though both of the classrooms that he shot 50 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: into were locked when officers arrived. They killed a suspect 51 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: at that time. And now i'd like to go over 52 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: the nine one one time. One ar warg is not. 53 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: It's better than I read it than you listen to it. 54 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: They called her identified I'll not say her name, but 55 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: she was a room one twelve called nine one one 56 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: at twelve o three. The duration of the call was 57 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: one minute twenty three seconds. She identified herself and whispered, 58 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: she's in Room one twelve. At twelve ten, she called 59 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: back in Room twelve. Advisor multiple dead. Twelve thirteen, again 60 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: she called on the phone again. At twelve sixteen, she's 61 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: called back and said there was eight to nine students alive. 62 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: At twelve nineteen, the one call was made and another 63 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: person in Room one eleven called I will not say 64 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: her name. She hung up when another student told her 65 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: to hung up. In twelve twenty one, you could hear 66 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: over the nine one one call for three shots were fired. 67 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: At twelve thirty six nine one one call. It lasted 68 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: for twenty one seconds. The initial caller called back. Student 69 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: child called back. I was told to stay on the 70 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: line and be very quiet. She told nine to one 71 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: that he shot the door and approxt to me twelve 72 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: forty three. In twelve forty seven, she asked nine one 73 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: one to police, Send the police now. At twelve forty six, 74 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: she said she coundnot that she could hear the police 75 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: next door. At twelve fifty shots or fire that could 76 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: be heard, or the nine one call and at twelve 77 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: fifty one is very loud and sounds like the officers 78 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: are moving children out of the room. At that time. 79 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: The first job that called was outside before the call 80 00:05:45,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: cuts off. Conditional information that we have is that there 81 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: are fifty eight total magazines at the school related the 82 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: crime scene. Eleven those magazines were inside the school, three 83 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: were on the suspects body, two in room one, twelve 84 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 1: six in side room one, eleven five were on the ground, 85 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: one was in the rifle. There were thirty two magazines 86 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: outside the school but on school property, one just outside 87 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: the school building, and thirty one and the suspects backpack 88 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: that he did not take into the classrooms with him. 89 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: There's fifteen magazines at the crash site. There are two 90 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: magazines the suspects residents. For a total of sixty magazines. 91 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 1: He had purchased and had a total of one thousand 92 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: and six D fifty seven total rounds of ammunition. Three 93 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: fifty three hundred and fifteen of those rounds were inside 94 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: the school. One hundred and forty two but those were 95 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: spent cartridges, one hundred and seventy three were live rounds. 96 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: Nine hundred and twenty two were outside of the school 97 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: but on school property. Twenty two of those were spent cartridges. 98 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: Nine hundred were live rounds. Four or twenty two were 99 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: at the crash site. Twenty two were spent cartridges. One 100 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: or twenty those were live rounds. There's thirty five spent 101 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: law enforcement cartridge total in the school. Eight of those 102 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: were in the hallway, twenty seven were inside the classroom. 103 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: One eleven or the suspect was killed. I mentioned that 104 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: we're going to go over quickly a digital timeline where 105 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: links we talked about early and I want to correct 106 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: something that was said early on in the investigation is 107 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: that he posted okay on Facebook publicly that he was 108 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: going to kill it, he's going to shoot his grandmother, 109 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: and secondly after that that he was going to that 110 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: he had shot her, and then third that he was 111 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: going to go shoot up a school that did not happen. 112 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: It was actually on a message was a Facebook application, 113 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: Messinger application to somebody else that he had a conversation with. 114 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: We know that through his digital leave to a footprint, 115 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: and i'll just quote by I'll just do it by 116 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: day time. Then Ramos asked his sister to help him 117 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: buy item that gun. She flatly refused. That was in 118 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: September twenty one. He made I'll avoid some of these 119 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: and get to them he had Instagram of four group 120 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: chat and it was discussed at Ramos being a school shooter. 121 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: That was on February twenty eighth of twenty twenty two. 122 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: On March first, twenty twenty two, there was an Instagram 123 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: he had with four people. There was a chat he 124 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: discussed him buying a gun. On March twenty twenty two, 125 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: there was another four person chat quotations word on the 126 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: street as you were buying a gun? Ramos replied, just 127 00:08:51,600 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: bought something or in m On March fourteenth, and there's 128 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Instagram posting by the subject in quotations ten more days. 129 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: A user replied are you going to shoot up school 130 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: or something? The subject replied, no, and stop asking dumb questions. 131 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: And you'll see I know you have many questions, and 132 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: I have agreed to stay as long as we can 133 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: answers me those questions that we can. If I can't 134 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: answer it because we don't know definitely right now, I'll 135 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: simply say that. And it continues to be a pl 136 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: our investigations, you know, literally, you know, certainly, over hundreds 137 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: of interviews that have been conducted will continue to be conducted, 138 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: and there's thousands of leads that have been pursued, not 139 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: not consecutively, but concurrently, and thanks to our federal and 140 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: local partners, and I do what I mentioned. Behind me, 141 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: we've got the FBI Special Agents in charge. We also 142 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: have then ATF's Special Agent Charge or a SAC and 143 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: of course who else what I got behind with Texas 144 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: Rangers and if there's any specifics that I haven't covered 145 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: that I might need their particular support on. I do 146 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: want to cover one thing quickly though, before I go 147 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: to questions. And that's some of the questions that we 148 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: received that we have already received, and one of those 149 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: is going around now that there's that in fact, the 150 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: subject had been one of the two arrested by the 151 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: Texas Rangers in the local police back in twenty eighteen, 152 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: but that's not the case. He was not one of 153 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: the individuals. In fact, we have found no links association 154 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: relationships and that investigation. Clearly it was a threat. It 155 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: was back in twenty eighteen. The two juveniles were charged. 156 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: Was attempted or conspiracy to commit capital murder. There's no 157 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: question that we thought, and we had evidence and certainly 158 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: a district attorney agreed that these juveniles one thirteen one 159 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: fourteen years old was a threat to Uvaldi, and there 160 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: was a discussion at that time even the senior year 161 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: of the one that was fourteen years old, which would 162 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: make it twenty twenty two. However, it was not the 163 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: subject questions answers Okay, well yeah, yeah, Well one thing 164 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: I want to say, one thing I failed to say 165 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: is that when we're done, you know, we have twenty 166 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: with us, he's going to translate into Spanish. Okay, what 167 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: the answers and the questions are after. We're gonna keep 168 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: running on this. You heard that opening statement with the 169 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: timeline laying out everything there. We are going to continue 170 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: to monitor this. But again the details at play here. 171 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: There was no locked door, no locked classroom door, no 172 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: school security officer present. There was a substantial amount of 173 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: outside shooting. A door was evidently propped open by a 174 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: teacher that ended up being the door that this gunman entered. 175 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: And when I look at what the notes that I 176 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: jotted down during this discussion, teacher called nine one one 177 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: eleven thirty. At eleven thirty three, the suspect enters the school. 178 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: So there was in theory three minutes. There was there 179 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: a lockdown order that was given in the school. Why 180 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: were the doors all not immediately locked when a teacher 181 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: is calling nine to one one about the shooting that 182 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: is going on outside. The suspect enters the school at 183 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: eleven thirty three. Again, the crash scene is at eleven 184 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: twenty eight. He opens fire. This is according to the 185 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: Texas Police here their timeline. At eleven thirty three, the 186 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: suspect enters the school, immediately starts to fire off and 187 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: as he moves towards classroom one eleven or one twelve. 188 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: These were linked classrooms inside the school fires more than 189 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: one hundred rounds. There By eleven thirty five, three police 190 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: officers have entered entered the school. A couple of them 191 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: get grazing bullet wounds. That's only two minutes after the 192 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: suspect entered the school. Then many more officers arrive. The 193 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: rounds continued to be fired inside the classroom. Appears this 194 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: man locked the door, but they did not actually breach 195 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: the door and kill the suspect until twelve fifty So 196 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: he appears to have been locked in a classroom with 197 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: these kids for at least an hour and fifteen minutes. 198 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:28,359 Speaker 1: How in the world is that possible? Also chilling details provided. 199 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: This is the first time I've heard this that there 200 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: were nine one one calls being made from inside of 201 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: these classrooms. I jotted down at least ten different calls, 202 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: some of which were from students. One of them said, 203 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: please send the police now. There also is a report 204 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: that these gentlemen from Border Patrol who eventually made their 205 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: way into the classroom were there potentially an hour before 206 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: they were allowed to actually breach the door. This is 207 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: from the New York Times that just broke a couple 208 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: of minutes ago. When specially equipped federal immigration agents arrived 209 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: at the Uvalde, Texas scene, local police would not allow 210 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: them to go after the gunman. According to two officials 211 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: briefed on the situation, those agents were there between twelve 212 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: and twelve ten. According to the New York Times, I 213 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: believe this spokesperson just said they were there by twelve fifteen. 214 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: This is I mean, the details on this story continue 215 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: to get uglier and uglier in terms of the response. 216 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: We know this awful murderer created this situation, but the 217 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: police response looks and feels more and more incompetent the 218 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: more we hear these details. We're rolling right now on 219 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: that press conference will continue to play cuts. I'm going 220 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: to listen to it during the break. 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You 239 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: can also call eight hundred seven nine two thirty two 240 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: sixty nine. Welcome back in continuing to monitor this press conference, 241 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: it just gets messier and messier for these police, and 242 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: I want to reemphasize, Look, the person who's responsible for 243 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: this entire situation is obviously the mass murderer, but the 244 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: response that is involved in this situation is massively important 245 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: because we learn from it what exactly happened that allowed 246 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: this to occur. And it feels like on many levels 247 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: in all systems failure in terms of the response. Once 248 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: this madman crashed his car near the school, that he 249 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: was allowed to enter the school, that the classrooms weren't locked, 250 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: that the school itself was not locked, it's all a 251 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: huge cataclysmic series of failures, and we're going to continue 252 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: to track this. Open up phone lines eight hundred two 253 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: eight two two eight A two. What are you thinking 254 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: about what you are hearing? I want to tell you 255 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: in the meantime about our friends at Chalk. You work 256 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: all day and you need energy and minute to minute focus. 257 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: That's easier said than done. 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Welcome back in, Clay. Travis 268 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: buck Sexton show I should mention and by the way, 269 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: buck Sexton is headed to a Memorial Day we can 270 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: get away with his girlfriend, so he is out today. Obviously, 271 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: this has been a much different hour than we would 272 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: typically have. I want to potentially go back to this 273 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: press conference as we're getting all sorts of questions. The 274 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: spokesperson here, Stephen McCraw, breaking down. He's the head of 275 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: the Texas Department of Public Safety. He is if you're 276 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: watching on television right now, which I know probably most 277 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: of you are not, but he's now standing in front 278 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: of a diagram showing you how the suspect got into 279 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: the into the building where he went. What these classrooms 280 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: looked like. Classrooms Number one eleven and one twelve. I 281 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: think this is incredibly important information because this is really 282 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: almost the equivalent of a of a plane crash, and 283 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 1: you try to figure out how did this end up 284 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: happening by reconstructing the events. He now has admitted by 285 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: the way, that it was the wrong decision to wait 286 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: to breach the doors in retrospect. And again, this is 287 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: what I believe is so difficult for many of you 288 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: out there listening right now to comprehend eleven thirty three 289 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: am Central time, the suspect entered the school in Texas. 290 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: By eleven thirty five, there were three police officers entering 291 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: that school as well, two minutes behind him, and yet 292 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: they did not breach the door and kill the suspect 293 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: until twelve fifty that's an hour and fifteen minutes that 294 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: he was inside this locked classroom with these kids and 295 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: these teachers. Also chilling details many different nine one one 296 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: calls being made, beginning reportedly at twelve o three, and 297 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: again they itemized all these nine one one calls, which 298 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: I would imagine at some point will be released, and 299 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: I hope the people who made those nine one one 300 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: calls are all live. He said, some of them are 301 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: He didn't say all of them in response to a question, 302 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: but nine one one calls being made from inside of 303 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: these classrooms twelve o three, twelve ten, twelve thirteen, twelve sixteen, 304 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: twelve nineteen, twelve twenty one, twelve thirty six, twelve forty three, 305 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: twelve forty seven, twelve fifty and twelve fifty one. Some 306 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: of those calls made by children, one of them saying 307 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: please send police. Now what were they doing? How could 308 00:21:54,160 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: you be receiving these calls starting at twelve three, nine 309 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: one one calls from inside of these classrooms, and it 310 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: takes forty seven minutes after the first nine one one 311 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: call for these guys to go in. How is that 312 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: remotely possible? Forty seven minutes? You know when you get 313 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: that first nine one one call, at least that's been 314 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: reported at twelve o three, that there are people who 315 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: are alive in those rooms. The minute that you get 316 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: a nine one one call to notify you that there 317 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: are people still alive, that there are children still alive 318 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: in those rooms, how do you not breach the door 319 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: and go after the suspect? The doors were locked, but 320 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: they just said the janitor gave them the key if 321 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: you are a police officer, how do you allow this 322 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: to happen? Isn't this the number one reason why you 323 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: would want to become a police officer to protect children 324 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: from bad guys? Forty seven minutes from twelve h three, 325 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: call the first one that is reportedly arriving inside of 326 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: these classrooms with a madman with a gun, and it 327 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: takes you forty seven minutes to breach the door and 328 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: kill the suspect inside. I hope that he didn't kill 329 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: any more people during those forty seven minutes, But can 330 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: you imagine being a parent knowing that your kids are 331 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: behind those doors with a madman in there. I mean, 332 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the truth. There are a lot 333 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: of dads and moms that would have tried to go 334 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: in there on their own, who aren't professional policemen, who 335 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: aren't professional swat team members. Guys, they were in the 336 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: school two minutes after this guy was, and they allowed 337 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: him to sit in that classroom with those kids from 338 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: eleven thirty five until twelve fifty I don't blame any 339 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: of those parents that were losing their mind outside. You've 340 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: probably seen some of those viral videos. Think about how 341 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: you would feel if you thought your kids might be 342 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: behind locked doors with the madman with a gun. The 343 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: police had the key to the door and they wouldn't 344 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: try to breach it. It's been seventy two hours since 345 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: this shooting, and again I want to make it clear 346 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 1: this killer is responsible, but how we respond to people 347 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: seeking to do violence to us is an important part 348 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: of what our entire public policy and society should be. 349 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: And it feels like many of these details as they 350 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: come out that we had in all systems failure. The 351 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: door again, I haven't heard a more explanation, but a 352 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: teacher propped to open the door at eleven twenty seven 353 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: would have otherwise been locked. Why did the door get 354 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: propped open? Why was there not a lockdown order given 355 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: inside the school when there's somebody firing shots outside for 356 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: multiple minutes? Why did the su Why did the killer 357 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: get inside of these classrooms and be able to lock 358 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: it and they weren't able to lock it from the 359 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: inside before he got there. And now that we know 360 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: that there were nine one one calls, many of them 361 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: I jotted down all the times, like ten or eleven 362 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: different nine one one calls made from inside by both 363 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: teachers and students. They also say that there were more 364 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: shots fired going on inside of this classroom after he 365 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: locked the door. What in the world is going on, 366 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: Who's making these decisions? And how did they make such 367 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: bad decisions? I'm gonna be honest. I mean, I was hoping, 368 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's Friday, going into Memorial Day weekend. Wanted 369 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: to be talking about honoring all the soldiers and everybody 370 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: else out there. But the incompetence that we are now 371 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: seeing was involved in this response to this shooter is 372 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: so ultimately devastating for so many of you out there, 373 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: and I bet for a lot of the officers that 374 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: were on the scene. There are reports out there that 375 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: these Border patrol guys were begging to be able to 376 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: go in and they weren't let go in. They said 377 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: they arrived at twelve fifteen, probably driving one hundred miles 378 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: an hour to get there, and they weren't allowed to 379 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: go in till twelve fifty. That's what they're trained to do. 380 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: The police were inside two minutes after him, and they 381 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: just allowed him to lock himself into the room with 382 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: kids and stayed outside for an hour and fifteen minutes. 383 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, when these nine one one calls come out, 384 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: and they are going to be hard to listen to 385 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 1: because you can imagine those little kids trying to call 386 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: nine one one and begging for the police to come in. 387 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: Teachers begging too. Some of the voices on those nine 388 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: one one calls. Those people may now be dead. What 389 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: in the world were they doing and who in the 390 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: world was making the decisions on that day and how 391 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: did they fail so badly? It's hard to make transitions 392 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: into anything. We're going to open up the phone lines. 393 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: A lot of you are experts. You know far more 394 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: about these situations than I do. We've got a lot 395 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: of guests that are coming in today. A couple of 396 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: those guests are big time experts when it comes to 397 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: these kind of situations. We'll ask them their opinions. 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Sign up for your own free subscription. 426 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: Go to Clay and Buck for Hillsdale dot com right now, 427 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: that's Clay and Buck four Hillsdale dot com. Clay and 428 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: Buck four Hillsdale dot com. Welcome back in Clay, Travis 429 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton show. A lot of you went in a 430 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: variety of different reactions. I mean, it's just as more 431 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: and more of these details come out about the response. 432 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: A teacher propped the door open. Why in the world 433 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: did the teacher prop the door open? That is how 434 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: this suspect was able to enter the school. Maybe the 435 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: teacher was leaning out. They haven't asked a lot of 436 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: questions about that. That's obviously a really important aspect would 437 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: imagine of this investigation. Maybe the teacher was trying to 438 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: look outside to see whether or not there were shootings 439 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: going on, guns, the gun being fired. But you just 440 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: look back at all of these different cataclysmic decisions that 441 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: all ran together that led to nineteen kids and two 442 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: teachers losing their lives, and you just think, if you 443 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: just have the door locked, if the police just go 444 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: in full bore immediately when they know there's a madman 445 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: with a gun in the school. If the teachers had 446 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: locked the doors inside of the school, was there a 447 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: lockdown ordered? They're now admitting it was the wrong decision 448 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: to wait, But I mean, I'm looking at my notes 449 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: and again, this just happened this hour. We started off 450 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: with this press conference to begin the show today. At 451 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: twelve sixteen, they get a call. They're told that eight 452 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: or nine students are still alive inside. It's a teacher 453 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: and she's asking for help. When you get that call, 454 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: how is your immediate response not we're going now. I 455 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: just I don't under whoever was making decisions on that 456 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: day inside of that Texas school he froze. That's the 457 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: only thing I can think of. When you're getting calls 458 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: from inside of these classrooms and you're being told that 459 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: kids are still alive and there's a madman with a 460 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: gun in there, and they're begging you to come in, 461 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: and it takes you over a half hour after the 462 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: call from the teacher. I just I don't understand how 463 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: that's possible. I really do not understand how that's possible. Here, 464 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: I want to play a cut with you about the 465 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: door breach. This is from the director of Texas Department 466 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: of Public Safety, Stephen McCraw, on waiting to breach the door. 467 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: He now says, in hindsight, that was the wrong decision. 468 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: You think. Listen, Okay, the decision was made on the scene. 469 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: I wasn't there, But the same point in time, you know, 470 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: a decision was made that this is a barricaded subject situation. 471 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: There was time to retrieve the keys and wait for 472 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: a tactical team with the equipment to go ahead and 473 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: breach the door and take on the subject. At that point, 474 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: that was the decision, That was the thought process that 475 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: the pod picular point in time. For the benefit of 476 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: hindsight where I'm sitting now, of course, it was anoh, 477 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: the right decision. It was the wrong decision period. There's 478 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: no excuse for that. But again, I wasn't there. But 479 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you from what we know, we believe 480 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: there should have been an entry that as soon as 481 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 1: you can, Hey, when there's an active shooter, the rules change. 482 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: It's no longer okay, it's no longer barricaded stuff. If 483 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: you don't have time, you don't worry about matters. I 484 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: just I mean, how is it possible that someone could 485 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: make the decision to leave those kids and those teachers 486 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: inside of a locked room with an armed murderer for 487 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes. I just it is infuriating 488 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: that someone could make that decision. Several of you want 489 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: to weigh in. Eric in Kentucky. Eric, when you're hearing 490 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: hearing this timeline and you're hearing these, uh, these details, 491 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: you are a police officer with active shooter or training, 492 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: what in the world is your response? Oh, it's horrible. Uh. 493 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: You know. The one the one thing that they drill 494 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: into us during that training is just to no matter 495 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: the tactics, no matter what weapon have you just you go. 496 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: If you're hearing shooting, if here, or if you get 497 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: the call that someone shooting, you just go. You want 498 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: to give them something to shoot. I'd rather than shoot 499 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: at me than yeah, you're run. Of course, So I 500 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't understand why it happened. I mean, 501 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: if if it happened where I work, I'm just going 502 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: to go in full speed. So thank you for the call, 503 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: and thank you for the work that you're doing. I 504 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: want to continue to take calls on this, but what 505 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: I want to take calls on is from people who 506 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: have had active shooter training, current police officers, current SWAT 507 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: team members one eight hundred two eight to two eight 508 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: eight two. When you hear these details, what is your 509 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: reaction to all of this. We're also going to talk 510 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: with Jack Carr next. He's a sniper. He'll have some 511 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: ideas as well. This is claim Bucket Sleet, Travis and 512 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.