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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to a Saturday Selects episode. Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant here, and this is my week to pick,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going with how Bonsai Works. We love those

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Speaker 1: little trees, we love the karate Kid, all those things

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Speaker 1: wrapped up make bonsai. May sixteen, two thousand sixteen is

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Speaker 1: when we first recorded this, and I think Josh and

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Speaker 1: I both promised to get into bondsai since then. Speaking

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Speaker 1: for myself, I have not, but you never know. I

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Speaker 1: did get tiny scissors from my nose here, so maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll use those. Check it out right now, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Stuff you should know, a production of my Heart Radios

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Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. I've decided to

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Speaker 1: talk about speed right now. Oh yeah, how's it going. Well?

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Speaker 1: You know there are some weirdos that listened to us

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Speaker 1: on double Speed. Well they just are like, hurry up

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Speaker 1: and get to the point, you idiot. Yeah, because you know,

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Speaker 1: busy lives. They can't listen to forty minutes of content straight.

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Speaker 1: It always it's funny to somebody tweets to us or

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Speaker 1: takes the time to write an email say like, I

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Speaker 1: love your your podcast, but I'm really displeased with the

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Speaker 1: tangents you go on. You seem to talk about a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff that's unrelated. Can you stop doing that?

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Speaker 1: And um, I always think I don't think Sevy should

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Speaker 1: notice for you, buddy, if you're if you're being driven

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Speaker 1: crazy by that, then well yeah, like we would welcome

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Speaker 1: you to stay. But the tangents are They're part of

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Speaker 1: the fabric of the show at this point, there's the glue.

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Speaker 1: Like it or not. I think the whole thing would

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Speaker 1: be decidedly less enjoyable if we were just like vomiting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just business like you know. Yeah, or maybe after eight

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Speaker 1: fifty shows we should just completely change how we do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go. That's a great idea. Hey, before we

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Speaker 1: get started, though, we do want to thank Sam for

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Speaker 1: gypsums m lord. Oh yeah, yeah, thank you. Sam. We

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Speaker 1: mentioned the unique Liqueur Chicago brand Liqueur on our PR

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Speaker 1: show Live in Chicago because you tried it like before

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Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, well, I've tried it a few times

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Speaker 1: and it's, uh, it's you know, it's as John Hodgman said,

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Speaker 1: it tastes like a pencil shavings and Heartbreak as his descriptor.

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Speaker 1: But Sam heard is talking about Crown Brown Royal. It

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Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute. They talked about my lord

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Speaker 1: and I didn't send him anything. Yeah, attention all of

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Speaker 1: their distillers in America, you can get in on this too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If the makers of Plymouth Gin or Leopold's Gin, or

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Speaker 1: Knob Creek or Peppy Van Winkle St. George's, they're a

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Speaker 1: great distillery out of San Francisco. Yeah, Peppy van Winkle. Wow,

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Speaker 1: we that's the stuff that gets like hijacked and sold

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Speaker 1: for like twenty dollars on the internet. Yeah. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just throwing it out there. I'm picking it back up,

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Speaker 1: bringing it back here, throwing it again. We're happy to

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Speaker 1: drink your booze and talk about it at nauseam. Uh

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Speaker 1: you know what else we're happy to talk about, big boy?

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Speaker 1: What's that bonza? Yes, which you I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I was saying it wrong, but right before we press record,

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Speaker 1: you said it's not bonsai, it's bonsai, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: what's it's not bonsai? Z? Right? That means heads up?

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Speaker 1: Right right? Right? Bonsai? Or right? Uh? Is? It basically

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Speaker 1: means plant in tiny container. Yeah, those are the cute

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Speaker 1: toy trees that Mr Miya made a plastic it depends

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Speaker 1: search bonsa, it's one of the things that comes up immediately.

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Speaker 1: It's fake trees. I think it's called like nearly real

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Speaker 1: not look nearly natural. It's like near beer. Do you

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Speaker 1: probably shuldn't tell this story. So with bonds I, um, chuck,

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Speaker 1: we're talking, like you said, the little toy trees. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: just kind of it's the same thing as fake flowers.

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Speaker 1: You know. Well it sort of flies in the face

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Speaker 1: of what's special about bonsai, which is that it's a

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Speaker 1: of bonding side Well, they'd been fun too, but but

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Speaker 1: to say, um is that a verb as well? It is?

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Speaker 1: She's she's reading, Uh, what is the guy from Crack's name?

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Speaker 1: sold for boatload of money. Oh yeah, good for them.

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Speaker 1: history of it first. Yeah, Like, uh, like many things

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Speaker 1: China it was punsai, which means tray plant. Not too

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Speaker 1: and curiously curved potted trees is to love deformity, which

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Speaker 1: So by the I think the thirteenth fifteen, sixteenth century,

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Speaker 1: at Bond's eye pictures. You know, it's really engrossing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I definitely, but I'm gonna wait for what old age,

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Speaker 1: So like three or four years from now. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: a bonsai. Yeah, but in fact it's it could be

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00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: a tree that out in the wild is tall. I

419
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: had no idea. I thought they were little miniature trees.

420
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: It just grew up to be like a foot tall. Yeah, no,

421
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: a lot. Apparently that's like a common misconception. I saw

422
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: that during research a couple of times. Um. The whole

423
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: key is you are dwarfing a tree, and you're doing

424
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: that by um keeping it in a small container and

425
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: keeping its roots trimmed backed so that it comes to

426
00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 1: basically go against its natural processes and just stay small

427
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: and miniature. Um. But yeah, basically any plant can be

428
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: bonds eyed. Crazy it is. And Um, what I didn't

429
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: realize is that most bonds eye is meant to be outdoors.

430
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was strictly indoor. Yeah, and there are

431
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: indoor varieties, like you can take indoor plants or plants

432
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: that do well indoors and make them bonds eye, and

433
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: it's becoming more of a thing. But for the most part,

434
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: if you're doing especially something with like a pine or

435
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: a deciduous tree or a juniper, those are outdoor plants

436
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: and your your bonds eye is meant to stay outdoors,

437
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: except you know, if you bring it in and use

438
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: it as a centerpiece or something once in a while. Yeah,

439
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: And for those trees. Um, it makes a point in

440
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: here that they have a natural yearly cycle that will

441
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: be disrupted if you keep it indoors. So um, you

442
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: may have to overwinter it to a certain degree, but

443
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: you're also going to want to take these out in

444
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: the winter some r um. But it also says that

445
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: it's not like a grown tree that's covered mulch and

446
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: like super rooted, So you can't just leave it out

447
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: all winter, no, and if you do, you would want

448
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: to leave it in like a cold frame or a

449
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: greenhouse or something like that where it's gonna survive, or

450
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: you could also protect it with a bunch of mulch

451
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: too you leave it outside. But yeah, there's it does

452
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: follow a lot of its natural processes, right, So if

453
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: you're doing like a fruiting tree or a flowering tree, like,

454
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: as as long as it's healthy and happy, uh, it's

455
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: going to bear fruit. There's gonna be flowers. Um. Pretty cool. Yeah,

456
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: it's very cool. But you are simulating nature and that

457
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: it's the roots are being kept shallow and trimmed, So

458
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: you have to take that into consideration by protecting it

459
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: from cold and from making sure it has a lot

460
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: of water. Too. Yeah. Well we'll get into the specifics

461
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: of care here in a minute. Um, But as you said,

462
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: you can pretty much use any tree. Ideally, what you

463
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: want to use is something some sort of tree or

464
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: shrub that have small leaves or needles and that can

465
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: get super dense. So you just have sort of more, um,

466
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: more material to work with for your art form. Right.

467
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: How's that? I think it's wonderful. And it all starts

468
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: with roots, right, Yes, So when you're looking for a specimen,

469
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: you can just go to like your local nursery. Some

470
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: people grow stuff from seed. You can also take cuttings

471
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: um and grow them in like rooting hormone or something like. Man,

472
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: if you start from seed, that's like, that's meat, that's dedication.

473
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: And I will also say that if you start with

474
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: a kit that has a bonds I already sort of

475
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: shaped for you, that's fine. I'm not gonna knock it

476
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: too much because you might not have time and you

477
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: might still want to take care with it. That's good point.

478
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: But I would recommend like to get your full experience

479
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: and maybe start with a cutting that you kind of

480
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: grow as your own little baby, right, Or you can

481
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: go to like a nursery or something like that and

482
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: just say I would like to buy this plant and

483
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to turn it into a Bond's eye. That

484
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: definitely counts as well. So, UM, a really good one

485
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: to start with that I found is juniper. Most junipers

486
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: they grow as groundcovers, so they stay fairly low to

487
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: the ground normally, so they do well being miniaturized. They're

488
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: also pretty hardy plants from what I understand, and um,

489
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: they grow really well in any temperate climate, relatively temperate climate.

490
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: So you go to a nursery and you you want

491
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: to kind of go already with the style in mind

492
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: that you're going to go with, whether it's broom or

493
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: whether it's wind swept or semi cascade or whatever, because

494
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: then you'll you'll be able to kind of narrow down

495
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: the plant that you want to buy because it's already

496
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: gonna you're almost seeing it in there, like you know

497
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: how sculptors say that they like look at a piece

498
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: of marble and they're just chipping away from what was

499
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: already in there all along. It's very similar with bondsai

500
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: as well. You go in, you find the plant that

501
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of suits your needs a little bit and then yeah,

502
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: you dig down and you want to find the first

503
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: roots that come off of this, off of the trunk,

504
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: and that's where that's what's called the crown. Right, That's right.

505
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: And as long as those are pretty healthy looking and intact,

506
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: it's probably a pretty good bet that you can turn

507
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: that thing into a bonsai. That's right. And you should

508
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: remember too that Um, the more you want to alter

509
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: the tree, the probably younger and smaller it should be

510
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: to begin with. Um, because you can only do so much.

511
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: You know, you can't take a tree that's like stick

512
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: straight and be like, all right now, I want it

513
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: to cascade all the way back down. I yeah, you

514
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: might be able to, but it would take decades to

515
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: get it to grow like that. I would say you

516
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: have to be a bonsai master. Yeah, you would in

517
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: order to do that again like Mr Miyagi. But these

518
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: exposed roots, UM, it's going to give the appearance if

519
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: you want to have that age look like it's an

520
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: ancient tree. Maybe ancient trees usually have these great, big

521
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: roots that you see sort of on top of the ground.

522
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: So that's a neat thing you can do with your

523
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: bondsaye um. Plus, Also, what's great when you dig down

524
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: to the those top roots that form the crown, where

525
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: the trunk ends and the roots, the real roots begin,

526
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: there's gonna be plenty of fewer roots above that, and

527
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: you're actually gonna want to trim those away. But it

528
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: gives what was once a pretty short plant suddenly has

529
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: a trunk now, and you're like, oh, okay, wow, I

530
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: see where this is coming from. Its starting to take

531
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: shape just right out of the gate. Yeah, and what

532
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: you're doing, what I mean, we'll talk about pruning in

533
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: a bit, but how you're shaping this is with wire,

534
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: either with like aluminum or copper wiring that you can

535
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: leave on to bend the tree to your will up

536
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: to like a year. But you want to be careful

537
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: and not make it too tight because it can actually

538
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: cut into the tree, which you don't want at all,

539
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: and um, so you keep it on your wiring. And

540
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: the idea is that, again with harmony, you don't want

541
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: branches a mess of branches obscuring one another. You want

542
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: each branch to have have sort of its own personality exactly. Yeah,

543
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: So you want to talk about how to how to

544
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: start a bonds eye let? Okay, so you go in

545
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: you find your you find your plan and by the way, um,

546
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: well we're going to kind of give you a step

547
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: by step. But I found a really good website called

548
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: Bondsay for Beginners dot com um and they have a

549
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: really really good, really well written even though there's lots

550
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: of misspelled words, but just it's really understandable. Is for

551
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: the number four, that's like f O R E no

552
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: bonds eye four beginners. Wow, yeah, I don't remember if

553
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: it is the number four. I don't think it is. Okay,

554
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: just look it up and if it's somebody from New

555
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Zealand writing, you found the right one. Um. But they

556
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: they they basically have a great step by step of

557
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: how to do it all. Right, So you want to

558
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: buy a tree. A good time of the year to

559
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: do this is to go in the spring when the

560
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: the growing cycle begins, uh, and go to your nursery

561
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: and uh. Like you said, you you're looking for whatever

562
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: tree that fits your mind's eye of what you've eventually want.

563
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: And it saysn't here to start with your scene and

564
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: work towards that. I think I would be more inclined

565
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: to sort of preform a little bit, you know, over

566
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: the years okay, which I'm sure is fine. You're gonna

567
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: be the bad boy of the bonds by world, aren't

568
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: You Never know what I'm gonna do next exhibitions wearing

569
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: like a motorcycle jacket possibly. Uh So the price is

570
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna vary depending on what kind of tree you're getting. Um.

571
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: And of course I looked up the kits there. You

572
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: know they can be fifty to a couple hundred bucks

573
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: depending on the kind of tree and like how finished

574
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: looking it is, right or I mean like it can

575
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: you can go spend ten to twenty on like a say,

576
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: like a juniper. And then and there are plenty of

577
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: bonds eye tools that you can buy. The Internet will

578
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: be happy to take your money for that. But you

579
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: can also make do with other stuff like florists. Wire.

580
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: You can get the copper wire you need from probably

581
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: a hardware store piers. There's yeah, plyers. Uh. Scissors, scissors

582
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: smaller the better, sure, um because little first grade scissors. Um.

583
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: And then you're also gonna want like a root rake um,

584
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: which you can just bend a fork and bam you've

585
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: got a root rake boom, So you've got your plant

586
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: or where you're saying it's a juniper. You're gonna dig down.

587
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: You're going to um, you're gonna basically take it out,

588
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: put it on the table in front of you. You

589
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: want to spray bottle of water and take a shot

590
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: of saki. Right, get started traditionally exactly you go and

591
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: then you you get started. Um. So you take the

592
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: dirt off of the top layer all the way down

593
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: to the crown. And again there's a bunch of feet

594
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: of roots which you want to trim from the trunk itself.

595
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: And then you you take a look at the roots

596
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: like you you scraped the dirt away, and you really

597
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: look at the roots structure, and you say, I gotta

598
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: get rid of a lot of this. Yeah, and you

599
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: should already have your your pot at this point, by

600
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: the way, because this is the first step, is the

601
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: uh potting, right. And I've seen people, usually especially beginners,

602
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: make the mistake when they're first creating a bond's eye

603
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: that um, they go real small with the pot. You're

604
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: gonna go through a couple of pots in the first

605
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: few years. Um, So they say, don't be afraid to

606
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: use a big pot. As a matter of fact, you

607
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: should probably use a bigger pot. Than you think you

608
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: should for its first pots. Eventually, three or four years

609
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: down the road, you're going to finally come to that

610
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: that one pot that this thing stays in for the

611
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: rest of its life, and you're gonna repot it every

612
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: couple of years, but you're gonna repot it in the

613
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: same pot. Yeah, you're gonna be a flea market and

614
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna just there's gonna be a golden light shine

615
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: around this one pot. And you're gonna say that things

616
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: twenty dollars and James Brown is gonna be like, dude,

617
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: you see the lie, and then you'll talk him down

618
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: to fourteen dollars and then up to seventeen, and then

619
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: you'll meet at the middle of fifteen. Nice and then

620
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: you've got your pot. That'll be a great day. Uh.

621
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: All right, So you're at the roots, I think. Yeah,

622
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: so when you trim the roots away. I was really

623
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: surprised by this. You want to trim about two thirds

624
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: of the roots present on your plant when you buy it. Yeah,

625
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: it even says in here that seems extreme, But don't fret, no, um,

626
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: and the roots you really want to go after, the

627
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: bigger ones, the more established ones. You want to leave

628
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: some at the top at that crown. But um, especially

629
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: if you're dealing with a tree and it has a

630
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: tap root, that root that goes like straight down, that's

631
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: actually not as much for watering as it is for stability,

632
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: and you don't need it in your tiny, little shallow pot.

633
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: So you want to get rid of roots like that. Yep,

634
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: you've got your pot. Um. You want to put a

635
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: little thin layer of gravel for drainage. Um. Yeah, and

636
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: that's another big thing. Your pot has to have drainage holes,

637
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: good ones. Yeah. Well you're the lawn watering expert. You

638
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: don't want a quarter quarter into of water over it

639
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: to standing. All right, So you've got your pot, you've

640
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: got your gravel down there. Um, you've trimmed your roots,

641
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: and you need your soil mixture. Yeah, this is a

642
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: big one. It's a big one. And there are different

643
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: um schools of thought on what kind of soil It

644
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: says in here, um equal parts uh, sand, pete, and loam. Yeah,

645
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: that's I guess that's like a general generic go to

646
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: bonds eyes. But you want soil specific to your tree,

647
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: Like if you have a juniper, that's gonna probably be

648
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: different soil than what like olive tree needs. And so

649
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: you just need to find out about the plant that

650
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: your bonds eyeing and find out what kind of soil

651
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: it likes, how much water it needs, what kind of

652
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: nutrients it takes, um, and what kind of sunlight it needs.

653
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: Especially that's right, it's a big one. So you stick

654
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: that sucker in there. You've got your trimmed roots, and

655
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: you want to spread them out really evenly. Um, you know,

656
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: towards the edges of the pot. Yeah, of the container right, um,

657
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: through like just all throughout the container. You want the

658
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: roots going down. Yeah, and I don't think we mentioned

659
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: you should run a wire up through the drainage hole

660
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: to support the tree. Initially, Yeah, this is a big one, um.

661
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: And this this wire, this is it's going to support

662
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: the tree. But also if you're gonna in the tree,

663
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: so you're doing a cascade or a semi cascade or

664
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: anything like that, exactly, you're gonna use that wire, um too.

665
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna go train it around the trunk and then

666
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: bend the wire. It's gonna bend the poor plant with it,

667
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: and you're gonna leave it on there for like a

668
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: month or so at least, but you want to keep

669
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: a really close eye on it because the tree will

670
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: start to grow around it and it will be forever scarred.

671
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: And as far as Bond's eye is concerned, you're just

672
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: ruined your plants. So you want to keep a close

673
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: eye on it. Um, you want to make it tight,

674
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: but you want to make it tight enough so that

675
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: when you bend it, it's going to bend the tree

676
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 1: with it, but not so tight that it bites into

677
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: or damages the tree. And um, yeah, you want to

678
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: keep a really close eye on it to make sure

679
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: the tree doesn't grow. And then when it's done after

680
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: a month, maybe longer this article says up to a year,

681
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: but I didn't see that anywhere else. Um, you want

682
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: to clip clip it away like you're not gonna unwind

683
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: it or else you're probably gonna break your bonds up.

684
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: And hope cle your tree won't go and pop back

685
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: into place, and if it does, you just have to

686
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: redo it again. Patients, my friend, Patients, that's right, they

687
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: say in the article Patients is the best tool that

688
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: you can have in your arsenal. Um, So you get

689
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: the wire sticking up through the drainage hole. Now, that's right.

690
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: And um, you for as far as the soil you

691
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: want it to be, you want to tap it and

692
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: kind of you know, shake the pot around to remove

693
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: the air pockets firm and around the base of the tree.

694
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: But you don't want it so packed in that. You know,

695
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: the water's got to go through and drain all the

696
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: way through and out. Right. Well, you want well draining soil.

697
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: One thing I saw was three parts potting soil to

698
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: one part like miniature gravel basically, so the soil is

699
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna drain. Well, Apparently you do want it kind of

700
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: packed because that that tree does not have stability with

701
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: its roots, so it's going to rely on the dirt

702
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: more than it normally would. Yeah, especially around the trunk right. Um.

703
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: And then but yeah, you want to shake it to

704
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: get the air pockets out for sure, that's right. Um.

705
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people also puts additional gravel on top

706
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: to keep the dirt in place when it's water like that. Yeah,

707
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: and it looks nice to agreed. Uh. So you don't

708
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: want to do that and then go throw it out

709
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: in the full sun all day long in July. What

710
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: you want to do is start it in a shady

711
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: spot for about a week and let it get used

712
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: to be in shorter rooted and in a weird new container,

713
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: and let it accept the fact that it's. Um, I know,

714
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be small. This is gonna hurt. I'm gonna

715
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: be small. I'm never gonna be a big big daddy.

716
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: And once it gets over that and accepts its fate, um,

717
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: and it says, you know what, I actually like this

718
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be a beautiful work of art and

719
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: get lots of care and attention. Now you can move

720
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: me into the sun a little bit at a time,

721
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: a couple of hours at a time, Yeah, sir or ma'am,

722
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: thank you master, and um since yes sin say and

723
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: then uh yeah, a couple of hours in the morning,

724
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: and then before you know it, you can have that

725
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: that bad boy out there, like weathering all kinds of weather,

726
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: weathering about normal weather like it normally would. Yeah. Um,

727
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: And your plants gonna tell you whether it's happy or

728
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: not happy. I think with buns I in particular, you're

729
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: gonna notice like every little change in your plant because

730
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: you're really concentrating on it and focusing on it, and

731
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: all the rest of your plants are gonna hate you. Yeah,

732
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, remember me, your spider plant is

733
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: gonna be like growing around your throat, just closing off

734
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: your airway. So watch out for your spider plant. Um.

735
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: And I should say one more thing took When you

736
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: first pot your plant, um, you the first watering. You

737
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: should basically take it in like a tray or a

738
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: pan or a bucket of water and submerge it to

739
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: the soil level and just let it sit there. Yeah,

740
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: this is what I've seen. Don't like plunk it in there.

741
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: Slowly submerge it in there, and that water is going

742
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that every route gets into water and um,

743
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: it's going to fill in any air pockets that are

744
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: in there. So it's really going to basically solidify your

745
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: um soil. Pack it in and just get it ready.

746
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: Very nice, pretty neat, right, super neat. Should we take

747
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: a break. All right, We're gonna come back and talk

748
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more about bonds I care and shaping,

749
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: which is where the money is. So check you got

750
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: your bonds eye yep you are. You've moved it back

751
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: onto the sunlight. It's basically accepted its fate as a

752
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: smaller version of itself. You've named it right right now? Yeah?

753
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: Uh Alan, okay, mine's Roy, So Allan and Roy. The

754
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: bonds eye twins are hanging out outside um when you

755
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: first pot it. You can also prepare the limbs to um,

756
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: where you're basically trimming the limbs back, one going. So

757
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: remember there's one in the front. There's a front and

758
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: the back to it right, yeah, which you should establish

759
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: and stick to right typically with bonds I. In traditional

760
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: bonds I, the first the first um limb is about

761
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: a third of the way up from the dirt, uh,

762
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: and it's going to jut out to the right. Second

763
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: one is going to jut out the opposite direction, but

764
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: it's not going to be even with the other one.

765
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be another about third of the way up.

766
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: You don't you don't ever, you rarely want um limbs

767
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: even with one another. It's called a bar that's unsightly exactly. Um.

768
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: So the next one huts out the opposite direction, and

769
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: then the third one is about another third the way up,

770
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: and that juts out towards the back, so it gives

771
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: the impression of distance of perspective and bowing and growing

772
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: out the back. Ye. Balance and harmony. UM. And you

773
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: do this by you can take that wire, different lighter wire,

774
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: depending on the size of the limb, and bend them

775
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: in the ways that you want. But more often than not,

776
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: you're going to be creating these illusions or this this

777
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: pattern by trimming your bond's eye. And like you said,

778
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: this is where the money is. This is where when

779
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: you think of bonds eye, this is what I think

780
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: of a little Japanese people like trimming the limbs off

781
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: of tiny plants. Yeah, and it's UM again. You're you're

782
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: striving to make it look like something larger that you

783
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: would find in nature. Sure, you could get super weird

784
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: and avant garde with your form and your shape, but

785
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: in general, traditionally, UM, you want it to take a

786
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: form that you would find out in the wild somewhere,

787
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: just on a smaller scale. But that that is the

788
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: that's the um effect of wind, of sun, of weird weather,

789
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: of poor soil, of just the weirder looking the tree

790
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: out in nature. Basically, the harder the heart of the

791
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: life it's had, and you're trying to recreate that, you're nurturing.

792
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: Pretty kind of counterintuitive, but if you just stop and

793
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: think about what you're looking at in nature that you're

794
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: trying to emulate. You'll probably figure out different ways to

795
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: do it. And if you haven't figured it out, somebody's

796
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: probably been doing it for a thousand years already. And

797
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: you can go get yourself a book or look on

798
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: the internet to find a technique. Yeah. So, like you said,

799
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: with the wind, like the wind the real tree and

800
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: real life that's on the mountaintop, the wind is trying

801
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: to kill it and it's leaning out over the edge

802
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: of the cliff like, oh man, my days are numbered. Um,

803
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: But you nurture that in your own bonds eye and

804
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: you emulate that, and it's, um, I don't know. I

805
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: like the idea of it for some reason. It's like

806
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: a tribute almost. It's Yeah, it's an homage to that

807
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: tree that's hanging on by a route. Yeah. When it

808
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: comes to light, Um, you want to rotate it around.

809
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: You don't want it getting the same it's the same

810
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: side exposure to sunlight every single day. You want to

811
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: you want to rotate it around. You want to keep

812
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: an eye out for bugs and and sex. Yeah, for sure.

813
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: And again you're paying attention to your bonds ay more

814
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: than your other plants, so you're gonna notice, like if

815
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: it suddenly has an insect infestation. Yeah, a little larva

816
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: uh what they called spittlebugs black or red dots of mites.

817
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Uh says you can brush these away. Um. I imagine

818
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: you could smash them with a framing hammer if you wanted.

819
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: After you brush them off. Um, but a bit in

820
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: the Japanese bondsi tradition, you're you're probably brushing them away

821
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: a little paintbrush, right like you go and go hit

822
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: the spider plant. Hey, spiders are okay man, they eat

823
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: the little bugs for you. The spider plant, I mean

824
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: the spider plant said yeah, yeah, well you gotta watch

825
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: out for that thing is trying to kill you and

826
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: your whole family exactly. So that's where you need to

827
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: funnel your spittlebugs. Watering is another big one too. You

828
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: depending on how hot it is outside, you may end

829
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: up needing to water your bonds eye like two times

830
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: a day, which means if you're into bond's eye, you

831
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: probably don't leave your house very much. You most likely

832
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: want to bonds or water your bonds eye every day,

833
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: depending on again the plant, but most bonds I needs

834
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: watering every single day and twice on hot days. Yeah,

835
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: and what you don't want is, um, you know, as

836
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 1: you're paying attention to it, you don't want a soggy,

837
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: boggy base soil is that's a really bad sign. That

838
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: means you probably didn't put down enough gravel on the bottom,

839
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: or your soil mix doesn't have enough gravel or whatever

840
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: mixed in to make it drain quickly. That's right. Because

841
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: it's tough to over water a well draining potted plant

842
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: of any type, including bonds eye, you're probably gonna be

843
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: doing more pruning early on in the life of the

844
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: bonds I. And once it has that general shape that

845
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: you like, that's when you're doing uh, you know, just

846
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: the the subtle changes that probably mean a lot to you. Um.

847
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: But other friends that come over at you know, happy hour,

848
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: they'll just say, hey, nice tree, there's yeah, you gotta ice,

849
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: and they don't realize that makers broken. They didn't realize

850
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: all the subtle little you know, you might clip away one,

851
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, a half of an inch of a branch.

852
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: To you that that makes it just perfect that other

853
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: people would probably not even notice. That's why it's your

854
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: bonds eye, that's right. Josh, That's why I was thinking

855
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: about it, Like like giving the gift of a bond's

856
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: eye to somebody that you've tended to for years and

857
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: years and years. That's that's a significant gift. Yeah, it's

858
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: like and here's my my daughter. Yeah, you know, right,

859
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: well not really, but you know what I mean. You

860
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: can marry this plant. You love it so much, why

861
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: don't you marry it. You're also going to keep up

862
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: with the fertilizer. Again, like this is so this is

863
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: almost such a generic overview in some places that I

864
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: feel bad even saying it. But just go find out

865
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: what the plant that you're raising needs normally and do that.

866
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: Do that. But again you have to bear in mind

867
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: that it's slightly different because you're you're keeping it in miniature.

868
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't have its normal roots system. It needs more

869
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: water than usual, and um, it's probably because you're watering

870
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: it so much. The nutrients in the soil are gonna

871
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: leach out much more quickly. So you need to fertilize

872
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: it more than you would just if you were growing

873
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: it normally in a container. Right, So, since you're fertilizing

874
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: something more, usually the rule of thumb as you want

875
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: to you want to fertilize something weakly weekly, so w

876
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: E A k L Y weekly um and and that

877
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: way you're constantly replenishing the nutrients in the soil. But

878
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: you're not gonna like burn or scorch the roots with

879
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: like a chemical burn over feeding it. Yeah, and again

880
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: you pointed out earlier, but I think it bears in

881
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: mind repeating. The key is repotting and trimming those roots

882
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: every couple of years. And like you said, once you

883
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: find the pot at the flea market that you fell

884
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: in love with, you can keep it in that pot forever.

885
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: As long as it's you know, the one you want

886
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: to stay with them. You can do what you want,

887
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: but um or give it as a gift, or give

888
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: it as a gift. But as you as you keep

889
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: trim in these roots back, it's gonna stay that size.

890
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: If you forget about it. If you're a hoarder and

891
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: you and you and you're drunk and you pass out

892
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: for ten years, you're gonna wake up with a twelve

893
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: ft oak tree in your living room. That's the story

894
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: of Peppie van Winkle, Is that? Yeah? I guess that

895
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: is true, isn't it? Because yeah, you're basically once it

896
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: becomes established to the shape you want it, you're just

897
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: basically pruning it back here they're keeping it trimmed, and

898
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: then when you repotted every couple of years, like the

899
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: whole point is to keep the root system in check. Huh.

900
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: So if you didn't do that, yeah, it would just

901
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: probably it would die, is what it would do because

902
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: no water, there would be so many roots in a

903
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: pot that doesn't fit them. I probably look cool'd be

904
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: growing over it maybe, And that's some that's basic stuff

905
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about. But there is a lot

906
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: of advanced things you can do too, and one of

907
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: those is like again training it to grow over rocks.

908
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: So like when you potted the bonds eye, you would

909
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: want a bonds eye with really long roots um so

910
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: that you could when you when you're potting it, you

911
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: would actually place it on a rock and then why

912
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: are the roots in place to let them start to

913
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: establish in the pots? Just things like that. There's something

914
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: called um gin, which is basically this is really neil.

915
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: But you saw it. Did you see a lot of

916
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: bonds I that had like dead wood exposed? Okay, So

917
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: gin is where at the top of the trunk or

918
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: at the ends of limbs, deadwood is exposed to just

919
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: really play up how old this thing is supposed to

920
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: be or actually is. Um there's something called shari, which

921
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: is deadwood on the trunk below, and then there's something

922
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: called sabamiki, and that's like you actually get in there

923
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: and peel away the the bark, drill into the trunk

924
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: and carve holes into it, carved like a gap into

925
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: it to create the illusion that it was scarred from

926
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: like a lightning strike. And you you've got to be

927
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: really careful doing that because you can very easily kill

928
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: your bonds eye. But if you do it right, it'll

929
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: row back and scar around it and you'll have a

930
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: pretty interesting looking tree. So that's not recommended for beginners.

931
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: I would not think so. I think you'd kill a

932
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: lot of plants doing that that way. So and and again,

933
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: people have been trying this stuff for a couple of

934
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: thousand years now, so there's a lot of different stuff

935
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: you can do in a lot of different resources out there. Nice, Yeah,

936
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: go to your local japan town and say teach me. Yeah,

937
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: And you know what, if the movie uh Karate Kid

938
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: Lost in Translation is true, then if you're a pretty

939
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: American girl, you can wander into any Japanese ceremony and

940
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: they will just accept you with open arms. Yeah that's

941
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: what they're known for. Yeah yeah, probably so right, Uh

942
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: to a certain degree, sure, and you're not a jerk?

943
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: Well yeah, like what does she walk into? Was hers

944
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: origami or was that bonsa? I don't know, I don't remember.

945
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: Was it a wedding? No, Scarlett Johansson walks out. There

946
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: were these Japanese women doing some either bonsai or origami

947
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: or something. They were like, well, you know, come on

948
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: in and let me show you our ancient ways. Yeah,

949
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: I don't remember that part. Yeah that was neat. I

950
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: like that movie a lot too, But wasn't isn't the

951
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: legend around it that Bill Murray's actually playing himself like

952
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: it's based on an experience Sofia Coppola had, Yeah, I

953
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: bet it's not too far off, and so like, uh

954
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: Giovanni Ribisi is um Spike Jones, Barly Joe Hansen is

955
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: um Sofia Coppola, um uh Anna Faris is Cameron Diaz

956
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: one dude is justin Timberlake, and so like this actually

957
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: supposedly happened, but then it's everyone says, well, who's Bill

958
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: Murray playing? Allegedly Bill Murray is playing himself. That makes sense.

959
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: I mean we'll never know what he whispers at the

960
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: end either, which I love. That was a great movie.

961
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: I forgot about that one. Make it Santry time. She's

962
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: a part of my D percent club. Sofia Coppla, what

963
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: is that? The directors who have made nothing but great movies.

964
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: I think I've only seen that in The Virgin Suicide.

965
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: It's a great movie. What else does she made? She

966
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: did Um the Blame Ring recently. I never thought really good. Really,

967
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: don't be turned off by the title, Yeah, because I

968
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: have been UM. And she did the one with Stephen Dorff. Oh,

969
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: I can't remember where he's the actor, just sort of

970
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: hold up in the Chateau Mormont before with his daughter

971
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: now before Sunrise, before Tomorrow. Nope. And she did the

972
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:30,479
Speaker 1: one the let the meat Cake, Uh, Marie Antoinette movie

973
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: with Kirsten Dunns. It was fantastic. I never saw that

974
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: one either. Yeah, they're all great. I think she's a

975
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: top notch. I'll take him out. Uh. If you want

976
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: to know more about Bonsai or Sofia Coppola. You can

977
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: type those words in the search part house to works

978
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: dot com. And since I said that it's time for

979
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: listening to maut, Yes, I'm gonna call this uh tornado

980
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: miss already. That thing just came out today, man, And

981
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I hope everyone's all right because there

982
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: are tornadoes like kind of all over the place. That yeah,

983
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: I heard Oklahoma's Kansas. Hey, guys, love the show. You

984
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: mentioned tornado miss episode that I bet you would get

985
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: an email from a civil engineer, and here I am.

986
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: I just wanted to share an interesting fact about designing

987
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: wind resistant buildings. I remember the day of the two

988
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: thousand eight downtown Atlanta tornado you mentioned because it was

989
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: actually the last day of classes at Georgia Tech before

990
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: I went out, before I went home to Florida for

991
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: spring break. Ironically, I just learned in one of my

992
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: classes that one reason most skyscrapers are not the same

993
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: basic shape from top to bottom is to alleviate pressure

994
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: from wind. In the same class of professor had mentioned

995
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: that one of the absolute worst structural designs where skyscraper

996
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: is a perfect cylinder, which is what our Peachtree plazas

997
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: that had the windows up for so long it's a cylinder.

998
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: The wind whips all around and ends up hitting the

999
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: entire face of the building as a giant wall of

1000
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: forts rather than hitting the building at different places over time.

1001
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: Not ideal for a class tube of the building. Anyway,

1002
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: I thought you guys would find that interesting. You are

1003
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: the best thing to come out of Athens in my

1004
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: Georgia tech opinion. Oh wow, I see where that was going.

1005
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: Keep up the good work. And that is from Scooter Shelbon.

1006
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Scooter, Scooter Selban. I don't know about

1007
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: the best thing to come out of Athens. Uh, just

1008
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: a couple of bands and beers and coffees and football

1009
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: players as scooters take all right, Thank you, Scooter. If

1010
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,960
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1011
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