WEBVTT - Headlines: Cornell 7 

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<v Speaker 1>Wind Down with Jana Kramer, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, ladies. So we've got some headlines this week.

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<v Speaker 2>District attorney reopens case of alleged Cornell University gang rape. Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember hearing this back in a couple years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you had texted the group message, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is this? I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>And you also, Kat? I did not know. I did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Even from the first time?

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds familiar, but like I didn't remember the specifics

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<v Speaker 1>or anything.

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<v Speaker 4>I do not recall it the first time around.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that, gosh, I'm so slow to

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<v Speaker 2>speak when it comes to headlines these days, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it feels very on brand from what we're gaining

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<v Speaker 2>factually that we would not have heard about it in 2024. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>to catch up, a former Cornell University student filed a

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<v Speaker 2>civil lawsuit in September, 2026, accusing seven members of the- Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't in the- Chi Pi. What is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Chi Pi.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I would have said Chi Pi.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that right? Chi Pi.

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<v Speaker 2>Chi Pi fraternity of drugging and gang raping her at

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<v Speaker 2>the frat house in October, 2024. The allegations, a former

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<v Speaker 2>student identified as Jane Doe filed a lawsuit stating she

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<v Speaker 2>was filled with drugs, assaulted, and gang raped- By seven

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<v Speaker 2>fraternity members over multiple hours on the night of October 19th, um,

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<v Speaker 2>to 20, uh, to the 20th, 2024, the complaint alleges

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<v Speaker 2>that two members of the fraternity drugged the women for

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly sending a message in a Snapchat group chat called,

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<v Speaker 2>what was it again? Kai pi actives, um, saying there

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<v Speaker 2>was free. Let's see the university response and backlash while Cornell, um,

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<v Speaker 2>barred this fraternity chapter from campus. Public outrage exploded after

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<v Speaker 2>claims emerged that some of the accused students were allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to mitigate their disciplinary consequences by writing essays for the

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<v Speaker 2>university instead of facing harsher consequences. Cornell later disputed that

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<v Speaker 2>essays were a sole consequence, noting two students were eventually expelled.

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<v Speaker 2>Reopening the investigation following national outrage, media pressure, and the

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<v Speaker 2>release of group Snapchat messages from the night of the incident,

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<v Speaker 2>Tompkins County District Attorney Matthew Van Houten announced that the

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<v Speaker 2>criminal investigation is being reopened and will be brought before

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<v Speaker 2>a grand jury. First and foremost, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is probably a really.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Cornell University a rich school?

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<v Speaker 3>Ivy League.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's my.

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<v Speaker 1>In my quick question is this what because i am

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<v Speaker 1>newer to this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry let me just say that one more time i'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying ivy league but there is money so if

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<v Speaker 2>i'm if these i'm not saying they did parents or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever but a lot of times people with money things go.

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<v Speaker 4>Away yeah and all of for the most part most

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<v Speaker 4>of these boys young men worked at pretty prestigious establishments,

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<v Speaker 4>Wells Fargo, other places that are like, it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 4>like a normal, like what I had, I was working

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<v Speaker 4>at Buffalo Wild Wings. They're working in like established. But

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<v Speaker 4>why was it just a civil case? Why was this

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<v Speaker 4>not a legal case from the get-go?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 4>That is why I'm saying it's not shocking to me

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<v Speaker 4>that the three of us did not hear about it

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<v Speaker 4>in 2024.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I remember hearing something.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are they only filing a civil lawsuit against them?

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<v Speaker 4>That's the part I don't understand. I don't understand either.

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<v Speaker 4>And I didn't, I, it wasn't under, to my understanding

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<v Speaker 4>from what I've read.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she only recently filed the lawsuit. So she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>file the lawsuit back in 2024.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it still only a civil?

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<v Speaker 2>It was the civil lawsuits are private legal actions brought

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<v Speaker 2>by individuals and often takes time for survivors to gather

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<v Speaker 2>legal counsel, review evidence, or feel ready to pursue formal litigation.

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<v Speaker 2>So the incident back then at the time, it was

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<v Speaker 2>handled through an initial police report and an internal university investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>which resulted in student suspensions and the eventual permanent closure

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<v Speaker 2>of the fraternity chapter. So did back then the district

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<v Speaker 2>attorney chose not to pursue criminal charges back then. He

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<v Speaker 2>stated his decision was based on the legal thresholds of

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<v Speaker 2>the victim's initial statement.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>To the police at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. So that answers that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So then she firmly formally filed her civil lawsuit

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<v Speaker 2>against Cornell and seven fraternity members. The lawsuit includes a

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<v Speaker 2>new D new details and evidence such as fraternity group

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<v Speaker 2>screenshots that were not thoroughly reviewed or included in the

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<v Speaker 2>original 2024 police reports. So I don't know how, whether

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<v Speaker 2>she held, chose to hold those group chats or, or

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<v Speaker 2>get more information, whatever it is, but those weren't given to.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so they just did not go forward with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't that they, as the family, did not

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<v Speaker 1>file this. They did file a lawsuit. This is how

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<v Speaker 1>it resulted, and then they ended up doing a civil case.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of the national outcry and the new information exposed

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<v Speaker 2>by this recent civil lawsuit, that's why they announced they're

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<v Speaker 2>reopening the case to present.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it. Well, thank God.

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<v Speaker 4>But people are saying that this is being reopened because

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<v Speaker 4>otherwise Cornell just looks ridiculous. Like they had to. Like

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<v Speaker 4>they're being forced to reopen because it's starting to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Because everybody knows. And yeah, they're going to... Well, however

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<v Speaker 3>it gets done, hopefully it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's really just disheartening and heartbreaking in

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<v Speaker 4>so many ways. And I... Listen, I think we all

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<v Speaker 4>sit here as moms of boys and of girls, right?

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<v Speaker 4>So like we've all been to... I've been to college.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been to parties just like this. I've trusted those

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<v Speaker 4>guys to be my friends. It's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And ours.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And not one of them. I think the... Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of things to say. No one stopped them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the two things that really stick out to

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<v Speaker 1>me on this are... I've always felt like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's certain people that go to jail for doing certain

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<v Speaker 1>things because of things and they go to jail for

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<v Speaker 1>13 years and, you know, whatever. But yet, why with

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<v Speaker 1>rape can we not seem to figure this out and

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<v Speaker 1>put people away? I've always had a real frustration with that.

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<v Speaker 4>Especially when you have the evidence that you have behind this.

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<v Speaker 4>And listen, I don't know that she did a rape kit.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know any of the details. A lot of

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<v Speaker 4>times that's what happens is they don't, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And not to say.

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<v Speaker 4>I, by no means, I'm just saying like, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what kind, I don't, I know that like gut

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<v Speaker 4>feelings and like the stories we all carry our whole

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<v Speaker 4>lives aren't enough in a court of law. So I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just saying like, I don't know what kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>actual evidence that they have.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems to usually be a hard, but now with

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<v Speaker 3>all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yes. And this message is saying the group, it says, um,

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<v Speaker 2>The Snapchat among members of the fraternity in which one

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<v Speaker 2>person alerted others crudely that they could sleep with the

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<v Speaker 2>victim for free. And that again is like, now was

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<v Speaker 2>she passed out? Like, and it's disgusting. It's like, why

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<v Speaker 2>didn't someone help her? But instead they're saying that you

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<v Speaker 2>can sleep with this person for free. Multiple people. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's all these people on this Snap, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that don't do anything. And that's the other scary part.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>There's over 50 members active on that Snapchat and no

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<v Speaker 4>one said anything. And days after, no one said anything.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you have a board of Ivy League professionals

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<v Speaker 4>reviewing essays. In what world are we living?

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<v Speaker 3>An essay?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The defendants people, they're saying this is a situation where

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<v Speaker 2>there was an ugly Snapchat, ugly period, but that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make my client a rapist. And it certainly doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>anyone a sex offender. And also had briefly entered the

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<v Speaker 2>room where Doe was, but did not touch her in

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<v Speaker 2>any way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 4>He also didn't stop anyone that was in the room.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm being really hard on them, but I just had

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<v Speaker 4>a really hard time when there's one female and there

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<v Speaker 4>is multiple men that have come, young men in their 20s, college,

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<v Speaker 4>Ivy League, boys or men, I don't care, that walk

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<v Speaker 4>into this room and no one goes, hey, she doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>look awake or hey, she doesn't look like this is consensual.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm part of a Snapchat. You can go anonymously

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<v Speaker 4>to the authorities and say, this is the Snapchat we're receiving.

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<v Speaker 3>Something happened to someone.

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<v Speaker 2>I pray that our boys are those boys that go-

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<v Speaker 2>It's all I can do is pray. That pick up

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<v Speaker 2>a girl and get her out of there. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I was- Or be the one. Be the one

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<v Speaker 2>that says, this is not right. And whether you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to announce it in the group, but go get her. Somebody-

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<v Speaker 2>Or be the one to stop or to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the authorities. Somebody can get somebody. pull a fire alarm.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care what you do, do something.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I think that's where, and then to have

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<v Speaker 4>essays read under a review board, how are these people

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<v Speaker 4>sleeping at night?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the really, for me, when I look

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<v Speaker 1>at this, obviously the rape, obviously. It's freaking terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>It is awful. It is horrendous.

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<v Speaker 1>But the scary thing to me when I read this

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<v Speaker 1>of having a 17-year-old boy, because Deep down, I pray

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<v Speaker 1>to God that's not something he would ever do. My

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<v Speaker 1>heart goes to, man, have I had enough conversations of

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<v Speaker 1>making sure that if he were to be told or

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<v Speaker 1>if he were to walk into a room, we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this a million times.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a parent, you go through and go, but

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<v Speaker 1>have I told him, do I need to tell him

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<v Speaker 1>a million and five times?

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<v Speaker 3>Do I need to, you know?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, it's scary because- Obviously, rape is terrifying

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<v Speaker 1>and all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not discounting that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying the and is the big lesson from

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<v Speaker 1>this is all the people that did nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>And even if it wasn't rape, it is misconduct at

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<v Speaker 4>a minimum and it is unacceptable. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>Unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Doe was reported to be visibly intoxicated and under

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<v Speaker 2>the influence of alcohol and drugs, according to the lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 2>she had consumed about 10 alcoholic drinks in the three

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<v Speaker 2>hours before arriving to the fraternity house and was visibly intoxicated.

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<v Speaker 2>The lawsuit states she was pressured or forced to take substances,

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<v Speaker 2>including ketamine. While the civil complaint states she was eventually

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<v Speaker 2>left unconscious around 545 after the events, noted that her

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<v Speaker 2>original police statement said, She did not report being unconscious,

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<v Speaker 2>physically helpless or while there.

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<v Speaker 1>So one other thing I want to note about this too,

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<v Speaker 1>when we're really digging into like the safety and these things, girls.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't leave your girls alone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do not leave a party and not make sure everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is accounted for.

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<v Speaker 3>But see, this is part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>And this was the conversation I had with my husband

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<v Speaker 4>last night. I said, you don't understand what it's like

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<v Speaker 4>to be a female. And at a very young age,

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<v Speaker 4>we are trained very young.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't go alone.

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<v Speaker 4>You have your keys out.

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<v Speaker 3>If God forbid.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't take a drink from someone.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Guard your drink. All of these things, right? We're also

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<v Speaker 4>told that if something was to happen to you, immediately

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<v Speaker 4>you get a rape kit done.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't take a shower.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember those talks, having those talks in college.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy. And I said, so.

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<v Speaker 4>at what point do we all get to just take

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<v Speaker 4>a deep breath too? And we just raise men that

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<v Speaker 4>step up and are better. Like it's one thing for us.

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<v Speaker 4>This isn't the wild guys. Like we shouldn't be ready

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<v Speaker 4>for battle at every turn. We should be supported and

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<v Speaker 4>well-loved and have men out there that also see the

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<v Speaker 4>value in women. Again, we all know the safety measures

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<v Speaker 4>and And I've had to think about that. There's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be some day where maybe legend just walking on

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<v Speaker 4>a street and someone thinks like, well, there's a guy

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<v Speaker 4>behind me and they panic because we've all done that.

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<v Speaker 4>But like, it's also so ridiculous that like, it has

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<v Speaker 4>to be that we're in numbers and we like, we

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<v Speaker 4>could also just trust guy friends and go to a party.

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<v Speaker 2>I just pray that, again, we raise our boys to

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<v Speaker 2>be the one that steps up, stops, and does something

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see something that isn't, and I say it

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<v Speaker 2>to the kids now, like even like, if you hear

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<v Speaker 2>someone say something unkind, don't laugh, say, that's not funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Or pull a friend from, like, be the one that

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<v Speaker 2>is kind and that helps people. And that's just what

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<v Speaker 2>I pray that You don't, you don't have to be

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<v Speaker 2>cool to like laugh at somebody or.

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<v Speaker 4>No. And, and I know, I know the social ramifications

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<v Speaker 4>of also being the one that busts everybody. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>why I'm saying pull a fire alarm, make it anonymous.

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<v Speaker 4>There's ways to do it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>At the very least walk it the very least, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't feel, cause I was reading some things where

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<v Speaker 1>some people were saying, well, If one boy steps in

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<v Speaker 1>and then these boys, okay, we'll grab another boy. Grab

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<v Speaker 1>another boy because it's safer if that makes you feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have to call an adult right then to

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<v Speaker 1>come break it up, call an adult, do whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and we have to raise our, we have to,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw something where someone said, stop teaching your.

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<v Speaker 3>Children, your girls.

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<v Speaker 1>To do X, Y, and Z, like watch out for

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<v Speaker 1>their drink, but start teaching men. I'm like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not an or, this is a both.

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<v Speaker 3>Both.

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<v Speaker 1>You teach your girls to do that because I can

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<v Speaker 1>promise you- You have to. You have to, but we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to teach men to be better. We've got to

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<v Speaker 1>teach these boys to be men.

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<v Speaker 4>Amen.

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<v Speaker 3>And respect women.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean? Like- How about just respect

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<v Speaker 4>even human beings? Like this is freaking- Respect yourself. Can

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<v Speaker 4>you imagine how gross you feel? You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's some respecting your freaking self too. Yeah, it's just,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all very sad. This is the calm version of

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<v Speaker 1>how I feel about this. Well, I just pray that

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<v Speaker 1>there's some justice for this poor girl. And nothing will

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<v Speaker 1>make anything better.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that. No, I agree.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>But justice, like the fact this was swept under the rug,

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<v Speaker 1>justice needs to be had.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, if my kid was on a group chat

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<v Speaker 1>or did walk into that room and did nothing, you

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<v Speaker 1>have every right to come to me and also punish them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with there being repercussions for that, for doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>Because what my, I'm again, I'm just trying to tone

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<v Speaker 4>it because I have such an anger, like I'm shaking.

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<v Speaker 4>But like, what are we also teaching these boys that

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<v Speaker 4>they can write an essay to what preserve your future? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I cannot, simply cannot.

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<v Speaker 2>See you next week for another Headlines.