00:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. 00:00:17 Speaker 2: But you're a guest to my home. 00:00:21 Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no, guests, your presences presence enough. 00:00:31 Speaker 3: I already had too much stuff, So how did you dare to surbey me? 00:00:48 Speaker 4: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. We're in the backyard, naturally. The only different thing today is that Stephen Ray Morris is here on ALSA and I are in another one of our legendary fights, so they aren't here to record, and we'll just have to put that aside. Put that feeling aside. What's going on? I woke up at seven thirty and did nothing for two hours. I went to Jersey Mike's at about eleven twenty, which I guess means I brunched at Jersey Mike's. Do I reveal too much about my life on this podcast? Is this too much of my private minute? I don't know. Let's get into it. I'm so excited about today's guest. I absolutely love her. It's Lisa Hannah Wald. Hello, Lisa, Welcome to, I. 00:01:39 Speaker 2: Said, nok, thank you so much for having me. 00:01:41 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so happy you're here. How has your morning, Ben? 00:01:45 Speaker 2: It's good. I also woke up at seven thirty, and then I went right back to sleep and stayed in bed till ten. 00:01:50 Speaker 4: Oh see, that's what I would have loved to do. Yeah, what woke you up at seven thirty? 00:01:55 Speaker 2: I think it was my dog. Every morning, at around seven or seven thirty, she pulls open the curtain so that the sunlight hits my face because she thinks it's time for breakfast. 00:02:05 Speaker 4: Oh that's very sweet. Yeah. My dog sleeps in bed with me until about six thirty, and then she comes over and taps right next to me, which means I have to lift the covers up as she crawls underneath, which I can't deny. It's the sweetest thing in the world. 00:02:21 Speaker 2: But both our dogs can talk. 00:02:23 Speaker 4: Yes, they both can absolutely communicate with us, and I appreciate that. But she's also like eighty pounds and doesn't quite understand what it means to sleep next to another person, so that basically means I'm awake. 00:02:34 Speaker 2: I wish my dog would sleep next to me and spoon me, but she doesn't want to. 00:02:38 Speaker 4: How big is your dog? 00:02:39 Speaker 2: She's about fifty pounds. Oh, what kind of cattle dog. 00:02:42 Speaker 4: Oh sure, sure, but she does sleep in the bedroom with you. 00:02:46 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and she'll get in bed like at the beginning of the evening, but then she goes into her own bed at a certain point, and I can't get her to stay in bed with me. 00:02:52 Speaker 4: Oh interesting, I can't keep the dog out of the bed. 00:02:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a pity. 00:02:56 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, no, she's an American bulldog. I'm sorry. Okay, yes she will if we close the bedroom door, we'll knock, she will open the door. There's no keeping her away. 00:03:07 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:03:08 Speaker 4: So we've just kind of come to accept that she sleeps in bed with us. Well, except for basically, when my boyfriend is in town, one of us gets to sleep with the dog and the other person is in the guest bedroom, because otherwise it's essentially three adult sized people in your bed, which doesn't make any sense. Okay, So you walk up at seven point thirty and then luxuriously went back to bed. Yeah, and walk up at ten o'clock and then what else have you done with your morning? 00:03:33 Speaker 2: Oh? My god? What else have I done? I just stared at the internet. I watched some. 00:03:36 Speaker 4: Jeopardy early morning Jeopardy. 00:03:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam had it on my boyfriend Adam, and so I was watching over his shoulder. 00:03:43 Speaker 4: You know, was he watching on his laptop? 00:03:46 Speaker 2: No, on the big screen? 00:03:47 Speaker 4: Okay, do you have a is your living room kind of like a bus situation where you're behind each other shoulder? 00:03:54 Speaker 2: No, No, I was next to him. I just I was like half watching, and then I started fully watching. And I didn't know any of the answers to any the questions this morning. So I'm said about that. I only like it when I know the answer. 00:04:03 Speaker 4: I don't think I would know any answers to the questions on Jeopardy in the morning. My brain is barely functioning. 00:04:08 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'll blame the time of day. 00:04:10 Speaker 4: Yeah you need like a nice seven pm. Yeah, classic Jeopardy. 00:04:14 Speaker 2: To me, Yeah, that's what I prefer to watch. 00:04:16 Speaker 4: It was he watching New Jeopardy, Classic Jeopardy? 00:04:19 Speaker 2: I don't know, it was just one that he had pre recorded. 00:04:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't watched Jeopardy. I was watching a bunch of it last year on Netflix, which is kind of confusing because you don't really know what time period it's from. But it was fairly recent and there was one guy I absolutely hated. But then I came to learn that everyone hated him made me feel closer to human humanity. 00:04:42 Speaker 2: Why did you hate him so much? 00:04:43 Speaker 4: He was kind of a no at all and he was just Jeopardy. Well, everyone on Jeopardies to know at all and they're not showing it off. But he had kind of a smugness to him, and I was like, this is I don't know, there was The way he communicated was very off putting. 00:05:00 Speaker 2: Think you could be on Jeopardy? 00:05:02 Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good question. I mean I definitely could stand behind a podium. Yeah, I would probably be terrible. Would you be any good? No? 00:05:09 Speaker 2: I would blank out entirely. I wouldn't know a single answer. I'm like a smart ass, but I don't know anything. Actually, I don't know any trivia. 00:05:15 Speaker 4: So right right unless there was. 00:05:18 Speaker 2: Like a category on horses, and I'd be like, oh baby, my time to shine, you. 00:05:22 Speaker 4: Would kill on that. Yeah, you have two horses one horse? 00:05:27 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:05:28 Speaker 4: Have you always been a horse person? 00:05:30 Speaker 2: Yes, I started taking riding lessons. I was a cat person, and then when I turned eight, I started doing riding lessons, and then I became a horse person. 00:05:39 Speaker 4: Kind of a natural transition animal wise, I think it was always latent in me. Yeah, exactly. Every cat person has the horse gin, I would say, But I think horses kind of have the same kind of their calm and kind of also don't care about people the same way cats. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: You think horses are calm? 00:06:00 Speaker 4: Oh my god, Okay, well maybe I'm well, let's see, being a. 00:06:04 Speaker 2: Horse person feels like having a genetic mutation. It's like a mistake, you think. 00:06:08 Speaker 4: So, yeah, what about horses is not? I mean when they're around people, maybe not calm. 00:06:14 Speaker 2: They're just like they're so flighty and scared of everything. 00:06:17 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the word wild is often associated with horses. 00:06:20 Speaker 2: Yeaes spooky? 00:06:21 Speaker 4: You spook? They get spooked? 00:06:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, they get spooked. 00:06:24 Speaker 4: So how long have you had your horse? 00:06:26 Speaker 2: I got her four years ago. I found her in a Facebook ad. 00:06:32 Speaker 4: I was a targeted ad. 00:06:34 Speaker 2: No, I've belonged to some horse groups, so she just popped up. But I wasn't really looking to buy one. 00:06:40 Speaker 4: Right right? And how old was she when you bought her? 00:06:42 Speaker 2: She was twelve and now she's sixteen? 00:06:44 Speaker 4: Oh wow? Yeah, so how I don't understand how horse purchasing works. I don't know how like you get into it because I'm sure, A lot of people buy horses as is it a. 00:06:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, as a baby as a baby hole. 00:06:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a horse expert. I'm using the terminology here, of course, But do most people buy them as babies or is it like you buy it as. 00:07:04 Speaker 2: Because you have to wait a long time before you can ride them, and most people want. 00:07:08 Speaker 4: To ride them right away, very eager to hop on. 00:07:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's an animal you have to rent a house for first of all, and so you're kind of hoping it'll pay back in some way and you can enjoy them, you know, right by riding them. And yeah, it's weird. You don't need a license or anything. You can just buy one. You could go out right now and buy a horse and come home with it. 00:07:24 Speaker 4: I've never considered that, but it is very much like buying a car or something. It's a big kind kind of in a lot of ways. Is a dangerous thing of. 00:07:33 Speaker 2: Transportation Easier to buy a horse than a car? 00:07:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe, I mean topical. Yeah, it's very hard to buy a car right now. Let's yeah, I think we can all relate to buy how hard it is to buy a car. A lot of competition, there is too much competition. So you see this targeted ad for the horse, and was it like love at first sight or did you have to meet the horse? Yeah? 00:07:53 Speaker 2: I mean she's the cutest horse I've ever seen. 00:07:55 Speaker 4: What's her name, let's name her so Juniper, Juniper. Okay, I felt a little connected from Julie just talking about. 00:08:02 Speaker 2: Her as the horse, as a thing, as a vehicle. 00:08:04 Speaker 4: Like she's like someone you're having an affair with or something. Juniper. When you found you did fall in love with her? 00:08:11 Speaker 2: I did? Yeah. She has like a teddy bear looking face. She's kind of like, you know how like pugs are like a really cute kind of dog. She's like a pug. 00:08:19 Speaker 4: Okay, I just very That's interesting to me because and this is maybe my ignorance, but I kind of with horses assume they're all their faces all look the same. 00:08:28 Speaker 2: They do have long faces generally, but hers, it's just it's just cute and like really fuzzy. And she looks kind of like a reindeer this kind of year because she grows out her winter coat and she's just really she's a Norwegian fjord. That's kind of now. 00:08:41 Speaker 4: It's something I learned about and I. 00:08:43 Speaker 2: Love if I started talking about horses like ten seconds into this podcast. Every time I go to a party, I'm like, don't talk about horses. Don't do it, and then I end up sneaking it in. 00:08:52 Speaker 4: This is your Horse Hour. And I had a lot of questions about horses. 00:08:58 Speaker 2: I was wondering what your opinions on horses were. 00:09:00 Speaker 4: I mean, the last time I was on a horse fourth grade. Yeah, I had a perfectly nice time. 00:09:05 Speaker 2: Oh good. A lot of people have a bad experience, do they really? 00:09:08 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, my whole family was on horses. I don't know why. We were somewhere in Utah, and I guess it was like this is the thing you do here in Utah. Yeah, and I don't remember that much about it. Maybe being a little bored, yeah, because we were just slowly walking does get boring. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: Sometimes. I was riding last night and I got a little bored. 00:09:25 Speaker 4: You got bored. 00:09:26 Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, why do I do this? 00:09:29 Speaker 4: Oh no, you're taking JUNI for granted. 00:09:32 Speaker 2: Well, then then, like you know, a half hour in, I'm like, oh, this is wonderful. This is the most beautiful thing in the world. I'm connected, I'm watching like the birds, the sunset, it's great. 00:09:41 Speaker 4: So that first half an hour, I mean, like what breaks in your mind that you begin enjoying it. 00:09:45 Speaker 2: I think I just relax and like enjoy the physicality and living in the moment, which is something I'm kind of bad at. 00:09:50 Speaker 4: Of course in my regular life. And so it seems like you're putting yourself in some danger now because you're like now thinking about other things while on the horse. Yeah, that seems dangerous to me. 00:10:01 Speaker 2: Depends what horse. But yeah, sometimes you can't zone out. 00:10:03 Speaker 4: It's like when you're like drifting down the freeway and you realize, like the last thirty minutes you aren't aware of He're like, oh, I was a danger toa You hate. 00:10:10 Speaker 2: It when that happens. Suddenly you're home. I'll get here. That happens on horseback too. Sometimes you just get back to the barn and you're like, what happened on my horse? You can't fully zone out? Or she will turn around and go the opposite way or oh okay, go faster or slower than you'd like. 00:10:26 Speaker 4: And where are you riding her? Is it along trails or is it just around the farm. 00:10:30 Speaker 2: It's on trails around Burbank and Coke Park. 00:10:33 Speaker 4: Okay, so she stays in Burbank. Yeah, okay, I was picturing somewhere way less convenient. 00:10:39 Speaker 2: No, it's very convenient. 00:10:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a short drive from here. 00:10:43 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:10:43 Speaker 4: And how often do you see her? 00:10:45 Speaker 2: About five times a week? Oh wow, when I'm in town. 00:10:47 Speaker 4: I mean that makes sense. She's your Do you consider a horse a pet or what do we say about a horse? 00:10:53 Speaker 2: I called her a pet on Instagram once, and someone in my comments was like, thought that was weird, and they were like offended that I referred to her as a pet. But I mean she kind of. 00:11:02 Speaker 4: Is when you own an animal. 00:11:03 Speaker 2: That she's like half pet half livestock, you know, because if she was truly a pet, I think she'd live in my house. 00:11:11 Speaker 4: That's true. I guess that's where the line is drawn. But live stock seems. 00:11:15 Speaker 2: So very distant. 00:11:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't love livestock. Livestock seems like the animals on its way to something else. 00:11:22 Speaker 2: That's how I describe her. When I'm feeling guilty about not spending enough time with her or like not taking good enough care of her, I'm like, she's live, yes, exactly, And she also has like some health problems that I feel guilty about sometimes like she's got this thing called mega esophagus, means she has like a really large esophagus. I'm in. I'm in like a Facebook support group for owners of horses with megaesophagus. That's how intense it is. 00:11:49 Speaker 4: Was she born with mega esophagus? 00:11:51 Speaker 2: I don't know, it just like cropped up like a couple of years into having her. Wow, so she can only eat soup. She can't have hair. 00:12:00 Speaker 4: I mean that to me sounds like she could eat whatever she wants. It seems like it's like a well you can throw things down. 00:12:05 Speaker 2: I know you would think, but no, she can only have like soup. 00:12:09 Speaker 4: Soup, poor soup. Yeah, what do they make the soup out of? 00:12:12 Speaker 2: We like soak pellets made from hay and it turns into like a sloppy soup. 00:12:18 Speaker 4: And then does she like lap it up or is it through a straw? 00:12:20 Speaker 2: She sucks it up. It's disgusting. 00:12:25 Speaker 4: The poor woman. That's terrible. 00:12:27 Speaker 2: I know. 00:12:27 Speaker 4: That's what a life? 00:12:28 Speaker 2: What a life? 00:12:29 Speaker 4: How long? We will definitely move beyond horses at some point, but I am curious what a horse lifespan is. 00:12:36 Speaker 2: They could live like thirty thirty five years. 00:12:38 Speaker 4: There's amazing. 00:12:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, they could look quite a while. 00:12:40 Speaker 4: Okay, I recently made the mistake of looking up the lifespan of my eating my dogs. Oh, don't do that, No, I spiraled so quickly. 00:12:49 Speaker 2: I know. That's really rough, the full. 00:12:51 Speaker 4: Twenty four hours. 00:12:52 Speaker 2: Of just worrying they don't live long enough. 00:12:54 Speaker 4: If they need at least three times this long. 00:12:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very children. 00:13:00 Speaker 4: It's a bad thing we do to ourselves. 00:13:02 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:13:03 Speaker 4: How old your dog? 00:13:04 Speaker 2: She is four? Almost? 00:13:07 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, just a baby. 00:13:08 Speaker 2: Just a baby. But I got her, like my last dog passed away of cancer a few years ago, and I thought I was going to take a break, and then within a month I got the puppy. Oh, like I could not last without a dog. Of course, life didn't make sense without a dog. 00:13:21 Speaker 4: And has your dog met your horse? 00:13:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, she hates her. She. I thought she'd be great with livestock because she's a cattle that's her job, I know. So I'm like, great barn dog, perfect, And then I brought her and she was like, I hate this thing. It's going to eat me. And my horse loves my dog, so she's always like hello and tries Oh my god. 00:13:39 Speaker 4: Oh that's heartbreak. Yeah, your dog has forgotten who she. 00:13:43 Speaker 2: Is, identity crisis. She's afraid of everything. 00:13:48 Speaker 4: I mean outside of horses. What anything else going on in your life? What's happened that's. 00:13:52 Speaker 2: Going on in my life? I don't know. 00:13:54 Speaker 4: What are you doing with your days? 00:13:57 Speaker 2: What am I doing? I've been painting? 00:13:59 Speaker 4: Oh, very very nice. You feel like that's probably a regular thing for you, right. 00:14:02 Speaker 2: I take long spans of time away from it where I'm mostly writing, and then I'm like, wait, I'm a painter. I'm an artist. I need to draw something, and then I get back into it. 00:14:11 Speaker 4: When you take long breaks from drawing or painting and you come back to it, do you feel bad at it or does it come naturally? 00:14:19 Speaker 2: I'm always afraid that I'll be really bad at it, and then it tends to come back real quick. 00:14:23 Speaker 4: Okay, I can't relate in any way because I'm a bad artist. 00:14:28 Speaker 2: I love bad artists. I love when bad artists draw things, cause it's like it's so it just looks great, like looks naturally fun and interesting, just to see how someone translates what they're seeing into what they're drawing. Whereas when I draw, it's like very self conscious, like I'm trying to. 00:14:45 Speaker 4: Be good and you know the rules and you've got sort of Yeah, how much training do you have as an artist? 00:14:51 Speaker 2: I mean I went to art school, but I wouldn't call that training. It was more like, you know, if you can you throw up anything on the wall or in the room, and if you can justify it in a critique, you know you right? 00:15:02 Speaker 4: Do you feel like art school improved your artistic ability or are you just good going in? And then I think. 00:15:08 Speaker 2: It improved my ability to bullshit about stuff about the reasons I'm doing things. 00:15:14 Speaker 4: Well, that's an important skill. Yeah, I mean, if you live in Los Angeles, that's all that matters. Absolutely, you don't need to be a good artist. 00:15:20 Speaker 2: No, it's it's all about the pitch. It's not about what you're actually delivered. 00:15:23 Speaker 4: One thousand percent. So you've kind of got it all. Yeah, you're set to go. 00:15:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, well a lucky person I am. 00:15:32 Speaker 4: You've got a horse, you've got a dog, you can bullshit. What else could you ask for? Well, I mean, speaking of art, speaking of just a variety of things. You agreed to be on this podcast in the last month or so, and I was so excited. I'm such a fan of you, and I thought, Lisa will come over, we'll have a good time. I will brainstorm a variety of horse questions that we'll get into and just talk, talk, talk about and then I'll let her go. And I imagine you haven't seen the horse today, so i've met yet. You would go see the horse, let me see her later, and I'm sure you still will. But unfortunately you had more in the works for me because this podcast, as you know it's called I said no gifts, right, and so Stephen comes over. He and I have some nice chat, We get everything set up. I didn't get you. I didn't even offer you a drink. And now i'm I do have a water bottle. That was very rude of me. 00:16:34 Speaker 2: Oh great, now I did think that was rotten. 00:16:37 Speaker 4: Now I'm in the wrong. This makes me sick. I mean, do you want to lacroix. I'm fine, okay, now I've asked, but you know, blah blah blah, we're all ready to go. Here comes Lisa up the driveway holding a bag with and again it has a beautiful drawing of my dog on it. 00:16:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was being a suck up. 00:17:02 Speaker 4: That says to Bridger. Love Lisa has a picture of Edie. It's I mean, truly a priceless bag. 00:17:07 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, you can't reuse it. 00:17:09 Speaker 4: I know this sucks for me absolutely because we're headed into the holidays and if I need a bag, this isn't going to anybody. 00:17:15 Speaker 2: They're screwed. 00:17:15 Speaker 4: I've got to find somebody else name Bridger. I've changed my name to Lisa. But I just have to ask, is this a gift for me? 00:17:24 Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, it is. I yeah, I guess I just feel like rules don't apply to me. 00:17:33 Speaker 4: That's a nice justification. 00:17:35 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also I thought this was perfect for you in a way. You know, I just thought you might enjoy it. I'm regifting it. 00:17:42 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, okay, so you're doubly rude. Yeah, doubly rude. That's fine. Well should I open it here on the podcast? 00:17:49 Speaker 2: Yes? 00:17:49 Speaker 4: Please, Okay, let's get into it. It's a red bag, and again it's got a beautiful illustration, which we'll have a photo of at some we've already taken a photo with the dog. With the dog, let me open, ok I'm reaching in. Oh, I'm gonna have to put the mic on my lap. It's a large box inside that can't be palmed by my tiny hands. Oh wait, is this I mean? Is this what I think it is? 00:18:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's in the box. 00:18:31 Speaker 4: A Bochi ball. Is that how you pronounce baci? I think so, I'm so, I just have no culture. It's humilia. 00:18:39 Speaker 2: I also I've never played baci. 00:18:42 Speaker 4: I okay, so it's literally, Oh my god, these are beautiful. 00:18:45 Speaker 2: They're really pretty right. 00:18:46 Speaker 4: Yes, these are. This is a gorgeous guy. Yeah, these are. They're like wooden Bochie balls that are painted and beautiful colors. And are all Botchi balls the same size? Or is it like a big one? 00:19:00 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I think it comes with several several balls and a jack, and I don't know what the jack is the jack and I don't know what you do with it. 00:19:09 Speaker 4: I feel like I've played Bochi before. I feel like, do you want to hold one? Steven? 00:19:14 Speaker 2: You know. One reason I'm regifting it is that I feel like you need a lawn to play Botchi and I don't have a lawn. You know, so I've got a long all right, exactly, I knew you did, so, I thought, okay, Bridger will appreciate this. 00:19:26 Speaker 4: Fully justifies my small patch of grass exactly. Okay, now we're. 00:19:30 Speaker 2: All that's not your Bochi court seven. 00:19:33 Speaker 3: You know. 00:19:35 Speaker 2: You can go out it three in the morning and play bochi. 00:19:39 Speaker 4: Okay, So now, okay, we're kind of learning what bochi is together, which I love. 00:19:44 Speaker 2: It looks like there's instructions on the side of this carry carry bag that you can keep your balls in. 00:19:51 Speaker 4: Is bochi Italian? This feels like something by We're going to be canceled by the Oh now, this is a small silver ball in that, so that must be the jack. The jack which is the one you threw? Oh no, you are trying to knock it, Stephen, What do you think? This is three adults who have absolutely no idea how to play botchy. 00:20:13 Speaker 2: And I don't know if you can play it alone or if you need like teams of people. I don't know. 00:20:17 Speaker 4: I feel like, I mean, playing alone is just practice. 00:20:20 Speaker 2: Yeah and solitary. 00:20:22 Speaker 4: Okay, there are four more boci balls down here, Okay, so what we know? And I'm sure there are plenty of Bachi enthusiasts listening right now. 00:20:30 Speaker 2: And screamming absolutely stream. 00:20:33 Speaker 4: Tearing their clothes and throwing glass objects or driving all over the road. That's kind of the bachi enthusiast behavior. Eight balls with a jack, Yeah, I mean, seeing these objects, how would you imagine you play boci? 00:20:50 Speaker 2: I think you throw one and then you throw the others, trying to hit it or get near it. I don't know, that's that's the rules for some games balls. 00:21:00 Speaker 4: Right, That sounds about right to me. 00:21:02 Speaker 2: I think curling maybe Is that how curling were? I don't know. 00:21:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like the and that's kind of what I assumed. But the jack or the silver ball, those of us in the bachi community, you know, it's the jack that's what's throwing me off right now, because I don't know if that's to be thrown or knocked. 00:21:21 Speaker 2: Or maybe it's just for looks. 00:21:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe that's like a stressor you hold that while playing the game. 00:21:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like David Bowie in the Labyrinth. That's just like playing with us ball. 00:21:31 Speaker 4: Stephen looks like he's just frantically looking up the rules of boxing so that. 00:21:35 Speaker 2: We can play right now. I know it's and I have no patience for game rules at all. 00:21:42 Speaker 4: Learn oh no. I recently connected with a friend over when she had the same feeling when people start explaining game rules. She just blacks out. 00:21:51 Speaker 2: I want to cry. Yeah, it's awful. 00:21:53 Speaker 4: I have such a hard I don't know what that is. 00:21:55 Speaker 2: Luckily, my partner Adam has a very good skill for explaining, for like reading game rules and then you know, giving that information to other people, and so it always it always lands on him. It's always his responsibility, which he hates. 00:22:09 Speaker 4: But he's what a power to have. I know, right, that's something I could never do, explain to know how a game is played and then. 00:22:20 Speaker 2: Ex disseminate that information. Yeah, no, maybe he does like it, he says he doesn't learning about him. Finally, he's such a cipher. 00:22:32 Speaker 4: No with games in general, someone that always starts explaining and I just check out. Yeah, just knowing that I will have to kind of catch up as. 00:22:40 Speaker 2: You'll figure it out. Yeah, you need to play to learn, right. So this was given to me by a TV network as a thank you for making them a season of television. This was it, This was it, and what you know, it's beautiful. I think that's a very funny kind of gift given to you by like a lot large corporation, because you know, someone's job to like pick. 00:23:02 Speaker 4: Out the gifts and some poor assistance. 00:23:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just always think it's super funny. There's always like kind of a disconnect between what you've done and and then what you what you're getting. And I think it's like a fun surprise. 00:23:15 Speaker 4: This is something that, yeah, could be given to basically anyone that's ever made a season of television. 00:23:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so this is like a this is a crowd pleaser. 00:23:23 Speaker 4: Right, It's just like, here's a thing that's kind of anonymous, and you can apply this to your life in some way. So this was given to you, and what was your immediate reactions? Just like, Oh, here's a thing that's going to fill my home. 00:23:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think i'd sound ungrateful if I I mean, I I did. 00:23:42 Speaker 4: Laugh beyond regifting it on a podcast. 00:23:45 Speaker 2: I don't care. I laughed a lot. 00:23:50 Speaker 4: I mean they didn't even know that you didn't have a long Yeah, So I mean, how well do they know you? 00:23:55 Speaker 2: Not very well? 00:23:56 Speaker 4: I don't think very thoughtless. 00:23:58 Speaker 2: Fine, it's fine. No, I'm not gonna hold it again. 00:24:01 Speaker 4: I'm gonna have these words in your mouth now. Lisa hated the gift. It felt like a betrayal after all of the hard work, pouring her blood and tears into the show and suddenly she's got bochi ball. No one wants you. You buy bochi ball? Yeah, you don't get it as a gift. 00:24:19 Speaker 2: You buy Botti, you don't give bachi. 00:24:21 Speaker 4: And why am I calling it bochi ball? I'm a bit of a jock. I'm a bit of a joke. Okay, So Stephen, did you ever boil down the rules? Okay? No one's ever gonna know. It's if it's well, I'll find out eventually how to play this? Do you are you like a croquet lover? 00:24:43 Speaker 3: Uh? 00:24:43 Speaker 2: No, you're not. No, I don't love croquet, although wait, is polo kind of like croquet? You're trying to get I am, but I I am thinking about trying polo. I think it'd be really fun. 00:24:58 Speaker 4: Is that how you play polo? Is it kind of Do you have a mallet? 00:25:00 Speaker 2: You have a mallet? Yeah, and there's little balls that you hit. 00:25:03 Speaker 4: From atop the horse. 00:25:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:25:05 Speaker 4: That seems extraordinarily dangerous. 00:25:08 Speaker 2: It does, doesn't it? 00:25:09 Speaker 4: And are you moving quickly? 00:25:10 Speaker 2: Very quickly? 00:25:12 Speaker 4: But you're willing to try it? 00:25:13 Speaker 2: I want to try it? Yeah, what do you do? 00:25:15 Speaker 4: Sign up for the league. 00:25:16 Speaker 2: There's a there's a club and they give lessons and they even like, give you a pony to play on, because I would love to try with my pony, But I don't think she'd be very good at it. She's not that, you know, quick of a turner. But yeah, what and so? 00:25:31 Speaker 4: But for me that seems like something as an adult, like people who know how to play polo have been playing it since they were eleven or something. Yeah, very intimidating. I'm not trying to discourage you. 00:25:41 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I'll be good at it, right, But I think maybe it's a confidence booster if it's a nice teacher. 00:25:47 Speaker 4: I don't know, right, And what if you're a natural? 00:25:49 Speaker 2: What if? Probably not? I'm not very natural at anything sporty. 00:25:53 Speaker 4: Have you ever have you ever watched a polo game? 00:25:56 Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I've watched like online. I haven't been to one in person. 00:26:00 Speaker 4: I wonder how you would do that in person. I've never heard of somebody going to it. You know, it just feels like the atmosphere fancy, doesn't it. It's just like something that I'll never even touch. 00:26:09 Speaker 2: So I can only remember, wasn't there like a polo game in Pretty Woman? Oh? Where's She's all dressed up with like the hat and the polka do. Yeah, that's my only reference. 00:26:18 Speaker 4: Really, we're all kind of Julia Roberts in this situation, just kind of the gal that. Yeah, I was trying to impress Richard Gear. Does Richard Gear play the polo? 00:26:30 Speaker 2: No? I think they're just at the game because they're fancy. 00:26:33 Speaker 4: It's very much like movie fancy. Yeah, it's like not even real person fancy. 00:26:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:26:38 Speaker 4: Well, I hope that you get to give it a shot. 00:26:41 Speaker 2: Thanks. 00:26:42 Speaker 4: If I wear like a special outfit or I. 00:26:44 Speaker 2: Don't know, I don't know. 00:26:45 Speaker 4: Do you wear a helmet when you're riding a horse? 00:26:47 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Always? Yeah. 00:26:48 Speaker 4: Isn't it interesting that there what a huge period of time we all went through where helmets were not that necessary. 00:26:54 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and there's still a lot of people who won't wear them and are very like stubborn about it. And I just I don't know. My brains only have I don't have anything else. If that goes, I got nothing. 00:27:06 Speaker 4: What do they have to prove? 00:27:08 Speaker 2: It just looks cooler if you don't wear you know, it's more aesthetic. 00:27:12 Speaker 4: I don't know that it is that much cooler unless you need to wear a cowboy hat. 00:27:16 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean a lot of them wear a cowboy hat. 00:27:17 Speaker 4: Oh they do. 00:27:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that looks sexy. Yeah. 00:27:21 Speaker 4: I feel like Burbank is not the place for a cowboy hat. 00:27:23 Speaker 2: Oh it is. You haven't been to the Rancho. I mean that's this is the neighborhood where the cowboys thrive. 00:27:31 Speaker 4: You see a lot of cowboys over there. 00:27:33 Speaker 2: Absolutely interesting. Yeah. 00:27:35 Speaker 4: Now are you putting on like a pair of wranglers when you're going to see the horse? 00:27:38 Speaker 2: Usually just riding pants. It's basically like yoga pants. 00:27:41 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah. And are you making friends among the horse people? 00:27:45 Speaker 2: I am? Okay, Like yesterday I just made a friend. Like I was just riding past her and I smiled at her, and she was on her horse and I was on mine, and I just smiled and then she was like, is that a fjord? And then we started talking, and then she rode with me, and you know, twenty minutes later we exchanged information. It's very easy to make friends when you're on horses. Always something to talk about. 00:28:03 Speaker 4: Of course, you've got a giant thing you can talk about. 00:28:05 Speaker 2: You can talk about breeds or colors or polo. It's great. 00:28:09 Speaker 4: It's the only way to make friends as an adult by a horse. 00:28:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, so, get really into a niche hobby. I think is the way to go. 00:28:16 Speaker 4: Oh, that reminds me the thing I wanted to ask you about horses. I a friend recently went to I think Iceland and there's a particular type of horse there that like moves. 00:28:25 Speaker 2: Different Icelandic pony and they TLT. 00:28:27 Speaker 4: What is the what please explain to you. 00:28:30 Speaker 2: It's like where they so you know, there's like a trot, which is kind of like a jog, and then there's a canter, which is more like a slow gallop. A tult is like trotting at the speed of a canter. That's my understanding of it. I might be incorrect, but it's the Icelandic ponies that do it. 00:28:43 Speaker 4: And it's just genetically different. That's how they look like evolved, Is that I guess? 00:28:48 Speaker 2: So I don't. 00:28:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, what a bizarre thing. 00:28:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of people think my horse is an Icelandic because she has that kind of look to her. 00:28:55 Speaker 4: Okay, but then they look at the way she's moving and know. 00:28:57 Speaker 2: Immediately, yeah, she doesn't TLT, right, but she is. 00:29:01 Speaker 4: She's Scandinavian horse, I suppose. 00:29:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, Norwegian. 00:29:04 Speaker 4: Very interesting, very interesting. Okay, is there anything else we need to say about bochi balls? That's the big question. Do you play any sports? 00:29:13 Speaker 2: Do I play any sports other than horsing? I roller skate? Is that a sport? 00:29:17 Speaker 4: As far as I'm concerned? Where are you roller skating? 00:29:19 Speaker 2: I usually just try to find like an empty basketball court, but then sometimes I go to the rink. 00:29:24 Speaker 4: How long have you been roller skating? 00:29:26 Speaker 2: I started during the pandemic. I started during like the peak of roller skating being popular, when it was like hard to even buy roller skates because there was such a high demand for them. I chose the worst time, and I'd never skated before then, and then I got into it. 00:29:41 Speaker 4: Had you rollerbladed or anything like? 00:29:43 Speaker 2: Maybe once or twice as a kid? 00:29:45 Speaker 4: Was it hard to pick up? 00:29:46 Speaker 2: Super hard? And I still suck at it. 00:29:48 Speaker 4: Roller Skating's very difficult. 00:29:50 Speaker 2: Very difficult, really hard to look cool doing it. I try so hard and I just am not a natural at all, don't look good. 00:29:56 Speaker 4: But when you do get good at it, you look incredible. 00:30:00 Speaker 2: Maybe someday, no, probably never, I'm good. I probably. I even tried taking lessons for a while, but it's from this guy who's teaching. Like he was teaching like seven year olds to do artistic skating and they were beautiful and they'd be pirouetting around me, and I was just like, oh, fuck these kids, Like I'll never being this guy. And he was like, oh that that girl just flew in from Italy. She's a champion, you know, And I'm like falling on my ass. Oh it's so humbling. 00:30:24 Speaker 4: She flew in from Italy to roller skates. 00:30:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, the rink and Glendale, Like, what are you doing here? Why are you even taking lessons? You're already a champion. Get away from me. I'm so mad at children who are like really good at things I'm bad at. 00:30:39 Speaker 4: I can't do. I can't deal with the child that's good, good at anything. I think. It's really I still struggle with everything. 00:30:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not it's not fair. 00:30:46 Speaker 4: It's not fair to like for a child to be committed and able to just like be good. Yeah, it's not for me. It's sick, absolutely not for me. Why is roller skating not an Olympic sport? 00:30:57 Speaker 2: Great question, it should be. 00:31:00 Speaker 4: We have ice skating, like we haven't an analog in the winter sports. I don't understand and I hope there aren't ice skaters out there that are screaming No ice skating's class here. 00:31:09 Speaker 2: Uh oh, it's very similar, and there's identical artistic skating. Is it's like basically figure skating on roller skates. Right, there's jumps, there's axles. 00:31:18 Speaker 4: More room for fun music, yeah, a lot more disco. I don't see. 00:31:23 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:31:24 Speaker 4: I mean, the Olympics have a lot of problems. Let's be honest. 00:31:27 Speaker 2: Let's be honest. It's we're breaking that news here. 00:31:31 Speaker 4: Were the first ones to say it. But I mean, I think the at the top of the iceberg of the Olympic problems is there's no roller skating. 00:31:39 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:31:39 Speaker 4: I guess roller skaters need to stand up for themselves or something. 00:31:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they're too chill, like they're two way back. 00:31:45 Speaker 4: But you would say the same about snowboarders and they broke in that's right. 00:31:48 Speaker 2: And skateboarding was in the boarding for the first time. 00:31:52 Speaker 4: Wow, something's happening, something Wow dark. 00:31:57 Speaker 2: Experience. 00:31:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, something is wrong. 00:32:00 Speaker 2: I don't want the Olympics to be in LA, but if they are, I want roller skating to be at them. 00:32:05 Speaker 4: Yes, that's the only way they're allowed. 00:32:07 Speaker 2: I will allow that compromise. 00:32:09 Speaker 4: I will continue boycotting until they allow the roller skating in and LA would be the perfect debut of roller skating in the Olympics. 00:32:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's so many skaters in LA. There's a really strong skating culture. 00:32:20 Speaker 4: And we have the Midnight roller Rink or whatever the hell it's called, the Rainbow roller Rink. What is that thing called Moonlight Moonlight roller Way? Yeah, I think is what it's called. I've heard that. Actually I won't reveal the celebrity that goes there. That probably wouldn't. 00:32:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's John c Riley, right, Yes, Yeah, he's always there. 00:32:39 Speaker 4: Is that okay to say on a podcast? 00:32:41 Speaker 2: So I think other people have talked about it enough, Okay, I think you. 00:32:44 Speaker 4: I mean, he's everybody. If I know, everybody must know he's there, and she's a tall man. He's not hiding it from anybody. 00:32:52 Speaker 2: No, I think he. I think he enjoys being recognized. 00:32:55 Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, maybe that's kind of the thrill for him. 00:32:58 Speaker 2: Yeah. My friend's on there the other night and she took a picture and he was just like, you know, doing a little he's signed at the camera like he was totally posing. 00:33:05 Speaker 4: I mean, I've got to get introller skating. I want to see him roller skating. 00:33:08 Speaker 2: You're getting into it just for John c Ready. I love the idea of picking up like a really hard hobby just for a celebrity. 00:33:17 Speaker 4: A celebrity that I'm marginally interested in. 00:33:19 Speaker 2: He's not even your favorite. Which celebrity would you absolutely pick up roller skating for? 00:33:25 Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great question. I if I was guaranteed to see a person roller skating. 00:33:31 Speaker 2: Guaranteed access to them, like if you picked it up, you'd be buddies with them. 00:33:35 Speaker 4: I would probably say Lisa Kudro. 00:33:38 Speaker 2: Oh, my god, amazing answer. 00:33:40 Speaker 4: Who would you say? 00:33:41 Speaker 2: Love her? 00:33:41 Speaker 4: She's truly like it continues to not be appreciated for how great she is. I mean, like just considering how good she is at everything. 00:33:49 Speaker 2: I love her so much. And I don't mean to brag, but she did a voice on BoJack when I worked at BoJack, and I designed a character for her who was wand to the owl. And when I showed her her character design, she's like, Okay, she did like a Lisa Kudrow laugh. 00:34:03 Speaker 4: Oh that's so great, but an honor. 00:34:05 Speaker 2: She was so lovely. I loved her. 00:34:07 Speaker 4: She's so smart, she's so funny, she's such a great actor. She seems like a fun time to be around. Yeah, and I can picture her roller skating. 00:34:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can too. Actually, I mean she'd be good at it. 00:34:16 Speaker 4: Was there a comeback where she's in roller skates? 00:34:18 Speaker 2: I don't know, God, the comeback? That was like the best show that I feel like I could never watch again. 00:34:22 Speaker 4: Why because you were so uncomfortable watching? 00:34:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just broke my heart. Every demostae devastating. 00:34:28 Speaker 4: What celebrity would you Well, you're already roller skating? 00:34:31 Speaker 2: But I'm absolutely panicked trying to think of an answer. Rihanna. 00:34:36 Speaker 4: Rihanna was great because also Rihanna music is great for roller skating. 00:34:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was just the first thing that came to mind. I'm sure there's a better answer. 00:34:44 Speaker 4: But isn't that a horrifying feeling when someone asks you a question? 00:34:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nightmare. 00:34:52 Speaker 4: It's truly my worst nightmare. 00:34:54 Speaker 2: I'm already like questioning it, like Rihanna, what oh God. 00:34:58 Speaker 4: I've I'm York, but particular with like uh, actors or like music or movies, like when someone says, what's your favorite thing? Full panic for me? My mind turns into a black hole. 00:35:09 Speaker 2: It's a mush. And then also there's the fear of meeting them, and then they are meaner, they suck in some way, and then fine, I mean, yeah. 00:35:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, that has knock on wood. I don't think that that's really happened with people that I respect yet, but it happens all the time. Yeah. I. And speaking of like getting asked questions, I have recently been thinking, why don't I just write down my favorite things in the notes app and then when someone asks me I have an answer, take a small breath and look at the app I did. 00:35:37 Speaker 2: I should have pulled open my notes app and looked at my list of favorite celebrities. 00:35:42 Speaker 4: I haven't the most alarming possible, but have you heard that Lisa has a list of her favorite celebrities. She's out of her mind, She's dangerous. All she thinks about is horses and her favorite celebrities. 00:35:58 Speaker 2: And I'm constantly like reorganizing the list. You were knocked down a few spaces Angelina Jolie for no reason, Just like. 00:36:10 Speaker 4: No, I feel like Rihanna's an excellent answer. I feel like Rihanna is a roller skater. 00:36:14 Speaker 2: I feel like she'd be good at it. Probably she'd just look really cool and you know everything. If she even deigned to smile in my direction, I would melt. 00:36:23 Speaker 4: You would tumble off off of your skates. 00:36:25 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh. 00:36:26 Speaker 4: Rihanna, she's it seems like she's making a little return to the state. 00:36:29 Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I hope. So. I was really excited she was going to release a new song. And then she did and I was like, oh, it wasn't like a dance song. I want it to be like a pop song. You know, it was a ballad. 00:36:39 Speaker 4: Never return with a ballad, No return with a banger. 00:36:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:36:43 Speaker 4: I think that's what everyone that's common knowledge. 00:36:45 Speaker 2: At this point. That's what we need right now. 00:36:47 Speaker 4: You don't h Yeah, truly, no more slow songs after the last two years. I truly am like, we can't have any more sad things. Everything should be an absolute celebration. 00:36:57 Speaker 2: If I can't dance to it, I don't want to hear it. 00:37:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, and especially when you're hot. I mean the trick with this is when you start hyping. When you hype something, it's gotta be a hype. Yeah, it can't be a slow moving thing. 00:37:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. This was a misstep, Yes, and a rare mistake. Talk to her PR team. 00:37:17 Speaker 4: But also maybe it's like a lowering of expectations that than her next song she blows people out of the water. 00:37:22 Speaker 2: Oh god, I hope. So now my expectations are even high. You can't. 00:37:26 Speaker 4: She's trapped. She's absolutely trapped. 00:37:28 Speaker 2: She's in a terrible place. 00:37:29 Speaker 4: But then the other problem is is it was part of a soundtrack, which also is like it's just like now, it's part of a marketing cycle of something. 00:37:37 Speaker 2: It's not original, ip right, and it's. 00:37:40 Speaker 4: Like kind of written by the soundtrack person. It's like, Rihanna, we love you. I think that everybody's allowed to make a few a few, and it's not even a mistake. She just made a move that people didn't want. 00:37:54 Speaker 2: Terrible mistake, I think. 00:37:55 Speaker 4: And she'll be back. She's going to be back soon enough, with songs of. 00:37:59 Speaker 2: All kinds, bangers, an entire album of bangers. 00:38:04 Speaker 4: I mean, Beyonce did that. Yeah, that album really just knocked me off my socks. 00:38:08 Speaker 2: It took me a while to get into it, and now I'm really into it. 00:38:11 Speaker 4: It's so good. It's good, and it's fun from beginning to end. That's all over once. Yeah, Rihanna. I know you're listening. 00:38:17 Speaker 2: Take a lesson from Beyonce. 00:38:19 Speaker 4: I don't want to pit you two against each other. You're both great. 00:38:23 Speaker 2: I do. I think their neck and neck at all times. Fight to the deck. 00:38:27 Speaker 4: He still wants to start a celebrity feud, I do. 00:38:30 Speaker 2: It's been a while since we've had a really good one. 00:38:32 Speaker 4: It has been a while. What was our last great celebrity feud. I'm not the person to ask. Again, my mind goes blank immediately. No, not great with celebrity gossip. I mean, I actually it's probably the whole movie that. Don't worry Darling. 00:38:47 Speaker 2: Oh that's what it was. 00:38:49 Speaker 4: That was fun, and I think we talked that thing to death, and that's why we've already forgot. 00:38:53 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that. I like celebrity gossip too much, but I always I'm like, oh, it's it's research, it's a it's a business thing that I'm doing. 00:39:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got to be on top of the entertainment industry. Exactly, Yes, absolutely, yeah that I think that was the last big celebrity story that we were. 00:39:09 Speaker 2: All involved with, all of us, and I part. 00:39:13 Speaker 4: We had no choice. I felt like we had kind of been. We all kind of got dragged into it at one point. It's like you can't not think about this story. Yeah, and now it's gone, and hopefully the salad dressing or whatever the final step in the vult loved it. I think we should play a game. Okay, I think we should play Gift or a curse? Yes, could I have a number between one and ten from you. 00:39:39 Speaker 2: Two? 00:39:39 Speaker 4: Okay, I've got to do some light calculating. So right now, you've got the microphone. You can recommend, promote, you really can. You the canvas's blank, do whatever you want. I'll be right back. 00:39:52 Speaker 2: Oh, I have something I could recommend. During the pandemic, I got really into using fresh spices, like ordering them and you using that instead of like the kind you'd get at the grocery store. And it just it like made food more interesting. You know. I was so bored of like what I was cooking all the time, and I was in a rut and I was depressed, and like, getting these fresh spices and using them was just so great. So I recommend that. And in doing this, you know, I ordered from a bunch of different places. I learned that there's this company called Pensies you can order spices from. And there's also this competing company. I think it's called the Spice House, and they're owned by a brother and sister, respectively, who are estranged. And Penzy's is owned by the brother and he's super super liberal and the Spice House is owned by the sister and she's super conservative, and they just like hate each other. I think it's really funny that there's competing spice companies and that whatever your political leanings, there's a fresh spice company for you. 00:40:51 Speaker 4: How have we not been talking about this? 00:40:52 Speaker 2: I mean, I want it to be like a documentary. I'm obsessed with it. 00:40:56 Speaker 4: This is fascinating. Yeah, so who are you ordering from? 00:40:59 Speaker 2: Which I'm ordering from? Penzi's. You know, he's the more liberal one, but he does some kind of weird stuff, like he sent out an email to everyone who subscribes to the Penzi's newsletter telling them that they should rename Martin Luther King Junior Day to like all Republicans are Liar's Day. 00:41:14 Speaker 4: Okay, just pick another day for that holiday. 00:41:19 Speaker 2: Don't do that one. So a lot of people got mad, but then a lot of people loved it, you know, and I think it was all a wash. 00:41:27 Speaker 4: But yeah, I've never You think about fresh herbs all the time, but you never think about fresh spices. This is a whole new category. 00:41:35 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like such a spice snob now I can't go back. Like if you order fresh cuman and then you compare it to like the grocery store kind that tastes like dust, Like. 00:41:44 Speaker 4: It's really I mean, and does it like feel different? Does it look different? 00:41:50 Speaker 2: Doesn't look that different, but yeah, the smell is it's more fragrant and like, wow, you don't need quite as much, you know, to flavor your food. And I don't know. I mean I during the pandemic, I was just grabbing for anything that introduced novelty in my life. 00:42:05 Speaker 4: Well and like during the pandemic sensory experiences, that makes perfect sense. You wanted something that felt new and enlivened your senses totally. Oh wow, it also feels like something that could I could easily be scammed with. They could easily send me old, dried. 00:42:19 Speaker 2: You wouldn't know, Yeah, yeah, maybe I just maybe I think it's new and it's not. It's not fresh at all. It's been sitting on a shelf for six months. 00:42:27 Speaker 4: Right, so I just want to put that little bug in your head. 00:42:31 Speaker 2: Just think about seed of doubt and it's been planted. 00:42:34 Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna play gift or a curse. I'm gonna name three things. You're gonna tell me if there're a gift or a curse and why, and then I'm going to tell you if the if you're correct or not. Because there are objectively correct answers, I have the truth on my side. 00:42:49 Speaker 2: It's gonna be really tough for me. I don't want to yuck anyone's yum. 00:42:54 Speaker 4: Well be prepared. 00:42:55 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:42:56 Speaker 4: This first one comes from a listener named Nicolai. Gift or a curse. Waiters who sit at the table when taking your. 00:43:03 Speaker 2: Order, Oh my god, they sit down with you. 00:43:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently they sit down with you. A curse and why. 00:43:12 Speaker 2: I'd be worried that they would join the meal and that they would be like, okay, and I've taken your order, and then I for myself, I'm going to order the burger. My shift's over, and now I'm going to join the meal. I don't know, it just feels too familiar. It also feels like affected, you know, It's like they're trying to feel intimate, you know, and make you feel welcome. But it's it's sort of they do it with everyone, right. I don't like that. I want to be special, Lisa, wrong, Oh, right off the bat, failing. 00:43:45 Speaker 4: These people first of all. So let's just gift. I am calling a ceasefire on waiters on airplane staff. Let them do whatever they want. I don't care what sort of novelty behavior that's people have in mind. You can kneel at the table, you can sit, you can sit on my lap for all I care. I don't care anymore. 00:44:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, I assumed they weren't making this choice, and that this was like the restaurant owner was making them do this. The manager was like, okay, and now you're gonna sit down with these fucks whether you like them or not. So I didn't I like it for that reason. 00:44:17 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure that's what's happening. 00:44:19 Speaker 2: That said, if it's their choice, I mean, that's interesting. 00:44:24 Speaker 4: I think it's completely a gift. It makes everybody slightly uneasy at the table. It alters the chemistry of the evening in a way that's neither I wouldn't say good. But if you look at it through the right lens. Not bad. 00:44:38 Speaker 2: It's something to talk about, that's nice. 00:44:40 Speaker 4: And you bring up this possibility of them just full out joining the dinner, which I love. 00:44:44 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it depends, you know, it depends on them. There's a lot of context here that could change. 00:44:49 Speaker 4: If suddenly I'm enjoying dinner with the server and they're now and now another server has to come up to take our orders, and they just keep filling in the table until the restaurant has to close down. I'm on board with that. 00:45:02 Speaker 2: It'd be the best night of your life. Yeah, you've convinced me, but I can't change my answer. 00:45:08 Speaker 4: You definitely have gotten one wrong so far. 00:45:10 Speaker 2: I'm already in the hole. 00:45:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't let that shake your confidence. You have two left. This next one is from a listener named Sarah Ashley Gift You're a curse, referring to a piece of clothing as just a piece. 00:45:25 Speaker 3: A curse? 00:45:27 Speaker 2: And why just a piece? Yeah, Like you pull out a dress and you're like, this is just a piece. I think it's a curse to like see your wardrobe as like a collection that you're curating. I think that's I don't know, it's kind of it's silly. Right, it's not a work of art. It's a shirt. You didn't make it, you didn't buy it from an artisan, You got it from Madewell or whatever. 00:45:55 Speaker 4: Lisa wrong. I love nothing more than when somebody thinks that their clothes, their clothing, is worth calling a piece a piece. I bought this piece wherever. I mean, I've never well, I probably have done it jokingly at some point. 00:46:17 Speaker 2: But it would be great to do that with like some underwear. You got it Target. 00:46:22 Speaker 4: I got this piece on the clearance racket. H and M. No, it's an absolutely a gift. I would love to get to the mindset where I'm referring to all of my clothing as a piece. 00:46:35 Speaker 2: I think you could pull that off. I'm gonna I think if I did it, it would seem really annoying. 00:46:41 Speaker 4: But it gives a new side to your personality that now everyone in your life has to deal with, which I like. Yeah, I think that that's a And you're always trying to surprise and shock, and I think everyone everywhere is always trying to surprise and shop. 00:46:57 Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm just trying not to stand out. I don't want anyone to pay attention. 00:47:04 Speaker 4: Lisa, I need you to start surprising and shocking people. 00:47:07 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll try. 00:47:08 Speaker 4: Brainstorm some ideas on how you can do that. I mean, you're kind of surprising and shocking me and having gotten zero. 00:47:15 Speaker 2: So far, I knew this would happen. 00:47:17 Speaker 4: Final shot here to get even one point. Gift and this is from someone named Catherine. Catherine suggested gift or a curse. Close calls, so you know, just close calls like near death, near death whatever you think, absolutely a gift and why you almost something bad almost happened and then you got away? 00:47:39 Speaker 2: Oh my god, what luck? And it's it like makes you reevaluate life and how much you value it. Well, you almost lost it. It makes you not take it for granted anymore. Who Yeah, of course. 00:47:53 Speaker 4: I mean you are a way to close this game. You had your own close call, you really had. This was not calculated for you to have a close call. But of course they're a gift. They get your heart racing. 00:48:05 Speaker 2: My heart's pounding. 00:48:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, you've just had a beautiful close call where you could have completely failed the game. I would have shut the podcast down early and probably. 00:48:13 Speaker 2: Do it audio thrown these batty balls at my head. 00:48:18 Speaker 4: No, of course, close. How could close calls ever be a curse? Yeah, I mean the opposite of a close call is that things went wrong and you didn't get correct the situation. 00:48:30 Speaker 2: Or that just nothing happened at all and you had an eventless time. 00:48:34 Speaker 4: You had never had a story to tell. Yeah, your life was so dull up until the very last minute. So we all need a close call every now and again just to keep us alive, keep our hearts racing. 00:48:45 Speaker 2: Maybe not every day would be stressful, but once a. 00:48:48 Speaker 4: Week, once a week, I'm going to say once a quarter. For me, I can have one close close call well poorly played overall, I disagree you did. You did give it your best effort, and that's all we can really ask. 00:49:09 Speaker 2: And I appreciate that I gave you my strongest opinion. 00:49:14 Speaker 4: This is the final segment of the podcast. This is called I said no emails people write into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. And my listeners have problems. We all. I mean, I think it's public knowledge at this point that I probably have the most listeners with the most problems. Yeah, A lot of podcasts have listeners that apparently they're just sailing through life, while my listeners are crawling. They're struggling, stumbling, struggling, failing. Yeah, and so we reach out. Well, they reach out first, unsolicited and give me their problems and then we help them. So will you help me? Answer? 00:49:51 Speaker 2: Sure? 00:49:51 Speaker 4: Okay, let me read an email. I'm getting into the doc we're scrolling. Okay, I'm seeing Christmas is the first word of this email. So this is a good seasonally appropriate thing. Dear Bridger and guest, Christmas is around the corner, and I'm anxious thinking about what to get from my parents this year. My sister and I are known for giving extremely thoughtful gifts, but this year I fear I'm reaching the end of my thoughtfulness. Okay. Last year we made a short film recreating some scenes from my mom's stand out film and theater roles throughout her career. 00:50:25 Speaker 2: This is Meryl Streep's daughter. 00:50:29 Speaker 4: What's her name? Gummy Shoesak? What is her name? I feel like the word gummy is. 00:50:35 Speaker 2: Involved, Mami Gummer. 00:50:37 Speaker 4: Maybe covered. I was very close. That was a good guest. 00:50:43 Speaker 2: My apologies to you named a character from the Grapes of Wrath. 00:50:52 Speaker 4: My mom. Okay, so we recreated some scenes from my mom's stand out film and theater roles throughout her career. We also transcribed, photographed, and pile a box of love letters sent between our grandparents during World War Two for my father. 00:51:04 Speaker 2: Oh my god, what is happening in this family? My effort. 00:51:07 Speaker 4: As you can see, we are innovative and perfect children. Okay, back up, Lord, back off, sweetheart, Bridger and Guest. I'm exhausted by my stellar performance as a daughter and need a break from excellence here. I need a break from you. What can we gift my parents that won't terribly disappoint them after years upon years of masterful gifts? Please help? Sincerely, yours, Ayana. So it's not Memi Gamer, whatever her name is? 00:51:33 Speaker 2: Me me gamer? 00:51:35 Speaker 4: What is her name? 00:51:36 Speaker 2: Mami Gummer? 00:51:37 Speaker 4: Maymi Gummer, Maymi Gummer committing committing to memory, Maimie. My apologies, Merrill, My apologies, Streep family, My apologies. Okay, Leanna. 00:51:49 Speaker 2: I think I think she's got to disappoint her parents. I think she has to. She's set the bar way too high and now she's got to reset it at zero and just and you do the thing she's most afraid of, which is disappointing them and get them just like a cheeseboard, you know, which I think is a great gift, but it's like way less personal. 00:52:09 Speaker 4: Or toying this documentary or whatever. 00:52:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then just kind of reset from there so that she doesn't have to keep upping the bar every year. It's impossible. 00:52:18 Speaker 4: This is a classic Hollywood reboot. Yeah, the franchise gets out of control, they lose sight of what the thing is, and then they start from basics. They go back to just a normal thing. 00:52:29 Speaker 2: A nice candle. 00:52:30 Speaker 4: I think this is great. I think I mean, I think the gift would be to just truly back off. I think her parents are like, oh, what do you think we are? 00:52:37 Speaker 2: You're being clean, You're obsessed with us, don't get them anything, disappear for a few months, yeah, forget, forget Christmas, and then apologize two months later for forgetting. 00:52:50 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, this is not a sustainable pattern, Eanna, Like, you can't keep eventually, and this is going to lead to her killing her parents or something. 00:52:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, and unless growth is like really unhealthy for society and for personal relationships. 00:53:05 Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred percent. 00:53:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just nowhere to go from here. 00:53:08 Speaker 4: Right, at some point it's going to it really will become dangerous and then like, I don't want to see what happens with that. Somebody really will be making a documentary about you, and. 00:53:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will be a murder. It will be like a family Annihilation style of murder. 00:53:23 Speaker 4: That's a good name for a documentary, family Annihilation. 00:53:25 Speaker 2: I would watch that. 00:53:27 Speaker 4: That would be street number one streaming on Netflix. But yeah, I think a cheese board or just your your real basic Uh, maybe buy them a broom. 00:53:36 Speaker 2: Or something broom, but a nice broom. 00:53:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, like a nice sturdy broom. You know, if you buy a cheap broom, you are going to get splinters. I bought a cheap room a little while ago. Bad idea. Yeah, you got to get a decent broom. Yeah, or the head is going to fall off or is that the head of a broom head? 00:53:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, brush, don't get one made out of plastic. Get like a nice sturdy wooden Yeah, like a kind of witch would ride. Oh if only classic blue room. 00:54:03 Speaker 4: I'd love to have a classic broom. Yeah, I think it is a broom. I think the and your parents can unwrap it together and then they have to share and they can surprise each other by sweeping the house. Yeah, what a lovely thing to get for a Christmas. 00:54:18 Speaker 2: Try not to be there when they're opening it. That's like going to be too intense for you. 00:54:22 Speaker 4: I mean, your poor parents. What are they expecting this year? Yeah, they're probably like having to emotionally prepare for whatever Aana and sister have got cooked up this year. Yeah, and that's got to be stressful for the recipient. 00:54:34 Speaker 2: God, gift giving is so stressful. 00:54:36 Speaker 4: It really is. It freaks me out in a huge way. 00:54:40 Speaker 2: Me too. 00:54:40 Speaker 4: I'm so bad at it, are you? I'm terrible at it? 00:54:43 Speaker 2: Wow? I think I'm pretty bad too. Yeah. 00:54:45 Speaker 4: I mean occasionally I'll land on something that is a great gift, but it's a very rare and the person has to just constantly be talking about needing something. 00:54:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, then they need to tell you. 00:54:55 Speaker 4: The right and I'm able to kind of catalog that and keep it a secret for a minute. I'm like getting online and looking. 00:55:02 Speaker 2: Up are you looking at guides and stuff to try to God? Oh God, it's always a yeah, you're never gonna find it in. 00:55:07 Speaker 4: There, right, You're gonna they're gonna be like, get them an iice wallet already have, right, just luxury product? Uh, the gift guides do nothing for me. And now i've do you have nieces or nephews? Uh? 00:55:21 Speaker 2: Do I? Yeah? I have a couple. Okay, I'll tell you what you don't start because then they'll expect it. Everything. 00:55:30 Speaker 4: It's very stressful, gets more and more stressful. And that's my problem now. So no one in my family will be getting an a on a level gift. Let's be honest. That's I can barely take care of myself. It's really a day to day struggle to keep myself alive and happy. But I you know, I try. Are you getting at them anything for Christmas? 00:55:51 Speaker 2: Yeah? Last Christmas we did a thing where we could only get each other a gift that was like either used or like a consumable. 00:55:59 Speaker 4: Oh great, and what did you get? 00:56:01 Speaker 2: What did I get? Uh? He got me like a gift certificate to get some massages. That was really nice. 00:56:08 Speaker 4: That's an excellent gift unless it's to a ratty salon. 00:56:12 Speaker 2: It was nice. It was nice. And then oh I think I got him. I don't remember if this was for Christmas or not, but I found on eBay like a Nintendo employee jacket. 00:56:22 Speaker 4: Oh my god, and it was really cute. 00:56:23 Speaker 2: It's like red with like a plaid liner. It's like a bomber jacket. He loves Nintendo so much, so. 00:56:29 Speaker 4: He enjoyed that, and it was like a vintage jacket. 00:56:31 Speaker 2: Vintage. 00:56:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great gift. 00:56:33 Speaker 2: It was the best gift I've ever gotten him. 00:56:35 Speaker 4: Well, now you've got yourself in your own little cycle here. Now what is he gonna expect this year? 00:56:39 Speaker 2: He better lowered those expectations because I got nothing. 00:56:42 Speaker 4: Stock something. No, Well, we answered the question perfectly, aona, you know, essentially just rode into brag, which is never a good look for anyone. Uh, You're obviously needs a spotlight. And I think parents need to obviously just need to pay her more attention. She's begging for their attention. Yeah, and now she's turning to podcasts sad. Oh, heartbreaking heart, especially during the holiday. Someone that alone, it's really a desperate situation. Lisa, Yes, I have my batchie. I'm so this is a genuinely good gift. You know, it's not like a usable item that I can now entertain people with or just stand out here weirdly on my own. I guess I do. I can't just leave them lying around the dog will swallow one. 00:57:32 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got to watch out for the dogs. She will chew. 00:57:35 Speaker 4: Is something I'm now thinking about. This is maybe a bad gift. 00:57:39 Speaker 2: I take no responsibility, and nor will I help with the vet bills. 00:57:42 Speaker 4: Maybe I can. 00:57:43 Speaker 2: I hope you have insurance. 00:57:44 Speaker 4: I don't because she had a pre existing Oh yes, I know about that. Insurance is such a scam. What a horrible industry. We don't want to end on that note. I'll spray the balls with the like the bitter bitter apple or whatever, and she will she won't want anything to do with them. Thank you so much for the gift. Thank you for being here. I've had such a good time. 00:58:04 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, my pleasure listener. 00:58:08 Speaker 4: It is the end of the podcast. We're here, you know. We get in the car at the beginning and kind of just drive along and then eventually I have to let you out. So that's what I'm going to do. I'm unlocking the doors. I'm signaling without signaling, and just hoping you'll get out and move on with your day. Go do something enjoyable for yourself. It really doesn't take much. I'll see you soon or you'll hear from me soon. I love you goodbye. I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Annalise Nelson, and it's beautifully mixed by Leana Squilatchi. And we couldn't do it without our guest booker, Patrick Coottner. The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Man. You must follow the show on Instagram. At I said no gifts, I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts? 00:59:10 Speaker 1: And I invited you hear. 00:59:14 Speaker 4: Thought. 00:59:15 Speaker 1: I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests, you're our presences, presents. 00:59:31 Speaker 3: And I already had too much stuff, So how do 00:59:37 Speaker 2: You dare to survey me