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Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.

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Speaker 2: But you're a guest to my home.

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Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no, guests,

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Speaker 1: your presences presence enough.

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Speaker 3: I already had too much stuff, So how did you

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Speaker 4: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. We're

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Speaker 4: in the backyard, naturally. The only different thing today is

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Speaker 4: that Stephen Ray Morris is here on ALSA and I

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Speaker 4: are in another one of our legendary fights, so they

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Speaker 4: aren't here to record, and we'll just have to put

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Speaker 4: that aside. Put that feeling aside. What's going on? I

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Speaker 4: woke up at seven thirty and did nothing for two hours.

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Speaker 4: I went to Jersey Mike's at about eleven twenty, which

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Speaker 4: I guess means I brunched at Jersey Mike's. Do I

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Speaker 4: reveal too much about my life on this podcast? Is

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Speaker 4: this too much of my private minute? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Let's get into it. I'm so excited about today's guest.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely love her. It's Lisa Hannah Wald. Hello, Lisa,

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Speaker 4: Welcome to, I.

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Speaker 2: Said, nok, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so happy you're here. How has your morning, Ben?

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Speaker 2: It's good. I also woke up at seven thirty, and

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Speaker 2: then I went right back to sleep and stayed in

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Speaker 4: Oh see, that's what I would have loved to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: what woke you up at seven thirty?

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Speaker 2: I think it was my dog. Every morning, at around

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Speaker 2: seven or seven thirty, she pulls open the curtain so

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Speaker 4: Oh that's very sweet. Yeah. My dog sleeps in bed

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Speaker 4: with me until about six thirty, and then she comes

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Speaker 4: which I can't deny. It's the sweetest thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: But both our dogs can talk.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they both can absolutely communicate with us, and I

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Speaker 4: appreciate that. But she's also like eighty pounds and doesn't

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Speaker 4: so that basically means I'm awake.

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Speaker 2: I wish my dog would sleep next to me and

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Speaker 4: How big is your dog?

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Speaker 2: She's about fifty pounds. Oh, what kind of cattle dog.

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, sure, but she does sleep in the bedroom

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Speaker 4: Oh interesting, I can't keep the dog out of the bed.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, no, she's an American bulldog. I'm sorry. Okay, yes

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Speaker 4: she will if we close the bedroom door, we'll knock,

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Speaker 4: she will open the door. There's no keeping her away.

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Speaker 4: So we've just kind of come to accept that she

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Speaker 4: sleeps in bed with us. Well, except for basically, when

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Speaker 4: So you walk up at seven point thirty and then

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Speaker 4: luxuriously went back to bed. Yeah, and walk up at

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Speaker 4: ten o'clock and then what else have you done with

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Speaker 2: Oh? My god? What else have I done? I just

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Speaker 4: Jeopardy early morning Jeopardy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam had it on my boyfriend Adam, and so

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Speaker 4: You know, was he watching on his laptop?

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Speaker 4: Okay, do you have a is your living room kind

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Speaker 2: Think you could be on Jeopardy?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good question. I mean I definitely could

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Speaker 2: Like a category on horses, and I'd be like, oh baby,

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Speaker 2: Yes, I started taking riding lessons. I was a cat person,

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, what about horses is not? I mean when

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Speaker 2: They're just like they're so flighty and scared of everything.

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Speaker 4: You spook? They get spooked?

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Speaker 4: So how long have you had your horse?

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Speaker 2: I got her four years ago. I found her in

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Speaker 2: No, I've belonged to some horse groups, so she just

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Speaker 4: Right right? And how old was she when you bought her?

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Speaker 2: She was twelve and now she's sixteen?

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Speaker 4: To ride them right away, very eager to hop on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's an animal you have to rent a

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Speaker 4: I've never considered that, but it is very much like

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Speaker 2: Transportation Easier to buy a horse than a car?

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Speaker 2: I mean she's the cutest horse I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: What's her name, let's name her so Juniper, Juniper. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Like she's like someone you're having an affair with or something. Juniper.

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Speaker 2: They do have long faces generally, but hers, it's just

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Speaker 4: It's something I learned about and I.

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Speaker 2: Love if I started talking about horses like ten seconds

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Speaker 4: This is your Horse Hour. And I had a lot

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Speaker 2: I was wondering what your opinions on horses were.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the last time I was on a horse

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Speaker 4: fourth grade. Yeah, I had a perfectly nice time.

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Speaker 2: Oh good. A lot of people have a bad experience,

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Speaker 2: do they really?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, my whole family was on horses. I don't

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Speaker 2: Sometimes. I was riding last night and I got a

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, why do I do this?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, you're taking JUNI for granted.

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Speaker 2: Well, then then, like you know, a half hour in,

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Speaker 4: That's what a life?

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Speaker 4: How long? We will definitely move beyond horses at some point,

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Speaker 4: It's a bad thing we do to ourselves.

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Speaker 4: How old your dog?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I can't relate in any way because I'm a

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Speaker 2: I love bad artists. I love when bad artists draw things,

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like art school improved your artistic ability

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Speaker 4: Well, that's an important skill. Yeah, I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's all about the pitch. It's not about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well a lucky person I am.

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Speaker 4: You've got a horse, you've got a dog, you can bullshit.

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Speaker 2: Oh great, now I did think that was rotten.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm in the wrong. This makes me sick. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Here comes Lisa up the driveway holding a bag with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was being a suck up.

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Speaker 4: That says to Bridger. Love Lisa has a picture of Edie.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, you can't reuse it.

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Speaker 4: I know this sucks for me absolutely because we're headed

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Speaker 2: They're screwed.

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Speaker 4: I've got to find somebody else name Bridger. I've changed

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, it is. I yeah, I guess I just

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Speaker 4: That's a nice justification.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also I thought this was perfect for

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, okay, so you're doubly rude. Yeah, doubly rude.

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Speaker 4: That's fine. Well should I open it here on the podcast?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Please, Okay, let's get into it. It's a red bag,

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Speaker 4: with the dog. With the dog, let me open, ok

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Speaker 4: I'm reaching in. Oh, I'm gonna have to put the

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Speaker 4: mic on my lap. It's a large box inside that

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Speaker 4: this I mean? Is this what I think it is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's in the box.

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Speaker 4: A Bochi ball. Is that how you pronounce baci? I

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Speaker 2: I also I've never played baci.

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Speaker 4: I okay, so it's literally, Oh my god, these are beautiful.

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Speaker 2: They're really pretty right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, these are. This is a gorgeous guy. Yeah, these are.

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Speaker 4: They're like wooden Bochie balls that are painted and beautiful colors.

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Speaker 4: And are all Botchi balls the same size? Or is

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I think it comes with several

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've played Bochi before. I feel like,

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Speaker 2: You know. One reason I'm regifting it is that I

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Speaker 4: Fully justifies my small patch of grass exactly. Okay, now we're.

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Speaker 2: All that's not your Bochi court seven.

444
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 3: You know.

445
00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,119
Speaker 2: You can go out it three in the morning and

446
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 2: play bochi.

447
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 4: Okay, So now, okay, we're kind of learning what bochi

448
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 4: is together, which I love.

449
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,640
Speaker 2: It looks like there's instructions on the side of this

450
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,639
Speaker 2: carry carry bag that you can keep your balls in.

451
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 4: Is bochi Italian? This feels like something by We're going

452
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 4: to be canceled by the Oh now, this is a

453
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 4: small silver ball in that, so that must be the jack.

454
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,119
Speaker 4: The jack which is the one you threw? Oh no,

455
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,160
Speaker 4: you are trying to knock it, Stephen, What do you think?

456
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 4: This is three adults who have absolutely no idea how

457
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 4: to play botchy.

458
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you can play it alone

459
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 2: or if you need like teams of people. I don't know.

460
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 4: I feel like, I mean, playing alone is just practice.

461
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah and solitary.

462
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,160
Speaker 4: Okay, there are four more boci balls down here, Okay,

463
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 4: so what we know? And I'm sure there are plenty

464
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 4: of Bachi enthusiasts listening right now.

465
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 2: And screamming absolutely stream.

466
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 4: Tearing their clothes and throwing glass objects or driving all

467
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 4: over the road. That's kind of the bachi enthusiast behavior.

468
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 4: Eight balls with a jack, Yeah, I mean, seeing these objects,

469
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 4: how would you imagine you play boci?

470
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 2: I think you throw one and then you throw the others,

471
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,719
Speaker 2: trying to hit it or get near it. I don't know,

472
00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: that's that's the rules for some games balls.

473
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 4: Right, That sounds about right to me.

474
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: I think curling maybe Is that how curling were? I

475
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 2: don't know.

476
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like the and that's kind of what I assumed.

477
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 4: But the jack or the silver ball, those of us

478
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 4: in the bachi community, you know, it's the jack that's

479
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 4: what's throwing me off right now, because I don't know

480
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 4: if that's to be thrown or knocked.

481
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's just for looks.

482
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe that's like a stressor you hold that while

483
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 4: playing the game.

484
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like David Bowie in the Labyrinth. That's just

485
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 2: like playing with us ball.

486
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 4: Stephen looks like he's just frantically looking up the rules

487
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 4: of boxing so that.

488
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 2: We can play right now. I know it's and I

489
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 2: have no patience for game rules at all.

490
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 4: Learn oh no. I recently connected with a friend over

491
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 4: when she had the same feeling when people start explaining

492
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 4: game rules. She just blacks out.

493
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: I want to cry. Yeah, it's awful.

494
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,959
Speaker 4: I have such a hard I don't know what that is.

495
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: Luckily, my partner Adam has a very good skill for explaining,

496
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 2: for like reading game rules and then you know, giving

497
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 2: that information to other people, and so it always it

498
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: always lands on him. It's always his responsibility, which he hates.

499
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 4: But he's what a power to have. I know, right,

500
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 4: that's something I could never do, explain to know how

501
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: a game is played and then.

502
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: Ex disseminate that information. Yeah, no, maybe he does like it,

503
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: he says he doesn't learning about him. Finally, he's such

504
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: a cipher.

505
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 4: No with games in general, someone that always starts explaining

506
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 4: and I just check out. Yeah, just knowing that I

507
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 4: will have to kind of catch up as.

508
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: You'll figure it out. Yeah, you need to play to learn, right.

509
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: So this was given to me by a TV network

510
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: as a thank you for making them a season of television.

511
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 2: This was it, This was it, and what you know,

512
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. I think that's a very funny kind of

513
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: gift given to you by like a lot large corporation,

514
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: because you know, someone's job to like pick.

515
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 4: Out the gifts and some poor assistance.

516
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just always think it's super funny. There's

517
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: always like kind of a disconnect between what you've done

518
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 2: and and then what you what you're getting. And I

519
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: think it's like a fun surprise.

520
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 4: This is something that, yeah, could be given to basically

521
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 4: anyone that's ever made a season of television.

522
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so this is like a this is

523
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: a crowd pleaser.

524
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 4: Right, It's just like, here's a thing that's kind of anonymous,

525
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 4: and you can apply this to your life in some way.

526
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 4: So this was given to you, and what was your

527
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 4: immediate reactions? Just like, Oh, here's a thing that's going

528
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 4: to fill my home.

529
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think i'd sound ungrateful if I I mean,

530
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: I I did.

531
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 4: Laugh beyond regifting it on a podcast.

532
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: I don't care. I laughed a lot.

533
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 4: I mean they didn't even know that you didn't have

534
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,959
Speaker 4: a long Yeah, So I mean, how well do they

535
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 4: know you?

536
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: Not very well?

537
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: I don't think very thoughtless.

538
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: Fine, it's fine. No, I'm not gonna hold it again.

539
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have these words in your mouth now. Lisa

540
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 4: hated the gift. It felt like a betrayal after all

541
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 4: of the hard work, pouring her blood and tears into

542
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 4: the show and suddenly she's got bochi ball. No one

543
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 4: wants you. You buy bochi ball? Yeah, you don't get

544
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 4: it as a gift.

545
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: You buy Botti, you don't give bachi.

546
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 4: And why am I calling it bochi ball? I'm a

547
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 4: bit of a jock. I'm a bit of a joke. Okay,

548
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: So Stephen, did you ever boil down the rules? Okay?

549
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 4: No one's ever gonna know. It's if it's well, I'll

550
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 4: find out eventually how to play this? Do you are

551
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 4: you like a croquet lover?

552
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: Uh?

553
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: No, you're not. No, I don't love croquet, although wait,

554
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: is polo kind of like croquet? You're trying to get

555
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: I am, but I I am thinking about trying polo.

556
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: I think it'd be really fun.

557
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 4: Is that how you play polo? Is it kind of

558
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 4: Do you have a mallet?

559
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: You have a mallet? Yeah, and there's little balls that

560
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: you hit.

561
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 4: From atop the horse.

562
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

563
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 4: That seems extraordinarily dangerous.

564
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 2: It does, doesn't it?

565
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: And are you moving quickly?

566
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: Very quickly?

567
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 4: But you're willing to try it?

568
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 2: I want to try it? Yeah, what do you do?

569
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 4: Sign up for the league.

570
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: There's a there's a club and they give lessons and

571
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 2: they even like, give you a pony to play on,

572
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: because I would love to try with my pony, But

573
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: I don't think she'd be very good at it. She's

574
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: not that, you know, quick of a turner. But yeah,

575
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: what and so?

576
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 4: But for me that seems like something as an adult,

577
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 4: like people who know how to play polo have been

578
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 4: playing it since they were eleven or something. Yeah, very intimidating.

579
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to discourage you.

580
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I'll be good at it, right,

581
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: But I think maybe it's a confidence booster if it's

582
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: a nice teacher.

583
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, right, And what if you're a natural?

584
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: What if? Probably not? I'm not very natural at anything sporty.

585
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 4: Have you ever have you ever watched a polo game?

586
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I've watched like online. I haven't been to

587
00:25:59,119 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: one in person.

588
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 4: I wonder how you would do that in person. I've

589
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 4: never heard of somebody going to it. You know, it

590
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: just feels like the atmosphere fancy, doesn't it. It's just

591
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: like something that I'll never even touch.

592
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: So I can only remember, wasn't there like a polo

593
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: game in Pretty Woman? Oh? Where's She's all dressed up

594
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: with like the hat and the polka do. Yeah, that's

595
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: my only reference.

596
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: Really, we're all kind of Julia Roberts in this situation,

597
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: just kind of the gal that. Yeah, I was trying

598
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: to impress Richard Gear. Does Richard Gear play the polo?

599
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: No? I think they're just at the game because they're fancy.

600
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 4: It's very much like movie fancy. Yeah, it's like not

601
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 4: even real person fancy.

602
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

603
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 4: Well, I hope that you get to give it a shot.

604
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: Thanks.

605
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 4: If I wear like a special outfit or I.

606
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: Don't know, I don't know.

607
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 4: Do you wear a helmet when you're riding a horse?

608
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Always? Yeah.

609
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: Isn't it interesting that there what a huge period of

610
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 4: time we all went through where helmets were not that necessary.

611
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and there's still a lot of people who

612
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: won't wear them and are very like stubborn about it.

613
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: And I just I don't know. My brains only have

614
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: I don't have anything else. If that goes, I got nothing.

615
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 4: What do they have to prove?

616
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: It just looks cooler if you don't wear you know,

617
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: it's more aesthetic.

618
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 4: I don't know that it is that much cooler unless

619
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: you need to wear a cowboy hat.

620
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean a lot of them wear a cowboy hat.

621
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 4: Oh they do.

622
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that looks sexy. Yeah.

623
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 4: I feel like Burbank is not the place for a

624
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 4: cowboy hat.

625
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: Oh it is. You haven't been to the Rancho. I

626
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: mean that's this is the neighborhood where the cowboys thrive.

627
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: You see a lot of cowboys over there.

628
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely interesting. Yeah.

629
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: Now are you putting on like a pair of wranglers

630
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: when you're going to see the horse?

631
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: Usually just riding pants. It's basically like yoga pants.

632
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah. And are you making friends among the horse people?

633
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: I am? Okay, Like yesterday I just made a friend.

634
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: Like I was just riding past her and I smiled

635
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: at her, and she was on her horse and I

636
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: was on mine, and I just smiled and then she

637
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: was like, is that a fjord? And then we started talking,

638
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: and then she rode with me, and you know, twenty

639
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: minutes later we exchanged information. It's very easy to make

640
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: friends when you're on horses. Always something to talk about.

641
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: Of course, you've got a giant thing you can talk about.

642
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: You can talk about breeds or colors or polo. It's great.

643
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 4: It's the only way to make friends as an adult

644
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 4: by a horse.

645
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, so, get really into a niche hobby.

646
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: I think is the way to go.

647
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 4: Oh, that reminds me the thing I wanted to ask

648
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: you about horses. I a friend recently went to I

649
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: think Iceland and there's a particular type of horse there

650
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 4: that like moves.

651
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 2: Different Icelandic pony and they TLT.

652
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 4: What is the what please explain to you.

653
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: It's like where they so you know, there's like a trot,

654
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: which is kind of like a jog, and then there's

655
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: a canter, which is more like a slow gallop. A

656
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: tult is like trotting at the speed of a canter.

657
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: That's my understanding of it. I might be incorrect, but

658
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: it's the Icelandic ponies that do it.

659
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: And it's just genetically different. That's how they look like evolved,

660
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: Is that I guess?

661
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: So I don't.

662
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, what a bizarre thing.

663
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of people think my horse is an

664
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: Icelandic because she has that kind of look to her.

665
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: Okay, but then they look at the way she's moving

666
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 4: and know.

667
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: Immediately, yeah, she doesn't TLT, right, but she is.

668
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 4: She's Scandinavian horse, I suppose.

669
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Norwegian.

670
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: Very interesting, very interesting. Okay, is there anything else we

671
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: need to say about bochi balls? That's the big question.

672
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 4: Do you play any sports?

673
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: Do I play any sports other than horsing? I roller skate?

674
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: Is that a sport?

675
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: As far as I'm concerned? Where are you roller skating?

676
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: I usually just try to find like an empty basketball court,

677
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: but then sometimes I go to the rink.

678
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 4: How long have you been roller skating?

679
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: I started during the pandemic. I started during like the

680
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: peak of roller skating being popular, when it was like

681
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: hard to even buy roller skates because there was such

682
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: a high demand for them. I chose the worst time,

683
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: and I'd never skated before then, and then I got

684
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 2: into it.

685
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: Had you rollerbladed or anything like?

686
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: Maybe once or twice as a kid?

687
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 4: Was it hard to pick up?

688
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: Super hard? And I still suck at it.

689
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: Roller Skating's very difficult.

690
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: Very difficult, really hard to look cool doing it. I

691
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 2: try so hard and I just am not a natural

692
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: at all, don't look good.

693
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: But when you do get good at it, you look incredible.

694
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: Maybe someday, no, probably never, I'm good. I probably. I

695
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 2: even tried taking lessons for a while, but it's from

696
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: this guy who's teaching. Like he was teaching like seven

697
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: year olds to do artistic skating and they were beautiful

698
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: and they'd be pirouetting around me, and I was just like, oh,

699
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: fuck these kids, Like I'll never being this guy. And

700
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: he was like, oh that that girl just flew in

701
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: from Italy. She's a champion, you know, And I'm like

702
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: falling on my ass. Oh it's so humbling.

703
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: She flew in from Italy to roller skates.

704
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rink and Glendale, Like, what are you doing here?

705
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: Why are you even taking lessons? You're already a champion.

706
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: Get away from me. I'm so mad at children who

707
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 2: are like really good at things I'm bad at.

708
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: I can't do. I can't deal with the child that's good,

709
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: good at anything. I think. It's really I still struggle

710
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: with everything.

711
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not it's not fair.

712
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 4: It's not fair to like for a child to be

713
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 4: committed and able to just like be good. Yeah, it's

714
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: not for me. It's sick, absolutely not for me. Why

715
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: is roller skating not an Olympic sport?

716
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: Great question, it should be.

717
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: We have ice skating, like we haven't an analog in

718
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: the winter sports. I don't understand and I hope there

719
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 4: aren't ice skaters out there that are screaming No ice

720
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 4: skating's class here.

721
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 2: Uh oh, it's very similar, and there's identical artistic skating.

722
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: Is it's like basically figure skating on roller skates. Right,

723
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: there's jumps, there's axles.

724
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: More room for fun music, yeah, a lot more disco.

725
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: I don't see.

726
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

727
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 4: I mean, the Olympics have a lot of problems. Let's

728
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: be honest.

729
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: Let's be honest. It's we're breaking that news here.

730
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 4: Were the first ones to say it. But I mean,

731
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: I think the at the top of the iceberg of

732
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: the Olympic problems is there's no roller skating.

733
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

734
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: I guess roller skaters need to stand up for themselves

735
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 4: or something.

736
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they're too chill, like they're two way back.

737
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 4: But you would say the same about snowboarders and they

738
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: broke in that's right.

739
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: And skateboarding was in the boarding for the first time.

740
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: Wow, something's happening, something Wow dark.

741
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: Experience.

742
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, something is wrong.

743
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: I don't want the Olympics to be in LA, but

744
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: if they are, I want roller skating to be at them.

745
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the only way they're allowed.

746
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: I will allow that compromise.

747
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 4: I will continue boycotting until they allow the roller skating

748
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: in and LA would be the perfect debut of roller

749
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: skating in the Olympics.

750
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's so many skaters in LA. There's a

751
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: really strong skating culture.

752
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: And we have the Midnight roller Rink or whatever the

753
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: hell it's called, the Rainbow roller Rink. What is that

754
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: thing called Moonlight Moonlight roller Way? Yeah, I think is

755
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: what it's called. I've heard that. Actually I won't reveal

756
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 4: the celebrity that goes there. That probably wouldn't.

757
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's John c Riley, right, Yes, Yeah,

758
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: he's always there.

759
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: Is that okay to say on a podcast?

760
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: So I think other people have talked about it enough, Okay,

761
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: I think you.

762
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: I mean, he's everybody. If I know, everybody must know

763
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: he's there, and she's a tall man. He's not hiding

764
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: it from anybody.

765
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: No, I think he. I think he enjoys being recognized.

766
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, maybe that's kind of the thrill for him.

767
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. My friend's on there the other night and she

768
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: took a picture and he was just like, you know,

769
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: doing a little he's signed at the camera like he

770
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: was totally posing.

771
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I've got to get introller skating. I want

772
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: to see him roller skating.

773
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: You're getting into it just for John c Ready. I

774
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: love the idea of picking up like a really hard

775
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: hobby just for a celebrity.

776
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: A celebrity that I'm marginally interested in.

777
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: He's not even your favorite. Which celebrity would you absolutely

778
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: pick up roller skating for?

779
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great question. I if I was guaranteed

780
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 4: to see a person roller skating.

781
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: Guaranteed access to them, like if you picked it up,

782
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: you'd be buddies with them.

783
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: I would probably say Lisa Kudro.

784
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: Oh, my god, amazing answer.

785
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: Who would you say?

786
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: Love her?

787
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: She's truly like it continues to not be appreciated for

788
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: how great she is. I mean, like just considering how

789
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: good she is at everything.

790
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: I love her so much. And I don't mean to brag,

791
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: but she did a voice on BoJack when I worked

792
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: at BoJack, and I designed a character for her who

793
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: was wand to the owl. And when I showed her

794
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: her character design, she's like, Okay, she did like a

795
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: Lisa Kudrow laugh.

796
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 4: Oh that's so great, but an honor.

797
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: She was so lovely. I loved her.

798
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 4: She's so smart, she's so funny, she's such a great actor.

799
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 4: She seems like a fun time to be around. Yeah,

800
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: and I can picture her roller skating.

801
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can too. Actually, I mean she'd be good

802
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: at it.

803
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: Was there a comeback where she's in roller skates?

804
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, God, the comeback? That was like the

805
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: best show that I feel like I could never watch again.

806
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: Why because you were so uncomfortable watching?

807
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just broke my heart. Every demostae devastating.

808
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: What celebrity would you Well, you're already roller skating?

809
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: But I'm absolutely panicked trying to think of an answer. Rihanna.

810
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 4: Rihanna was great because also Rihanna music is great for

811
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: roller skating.

812
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was just the first thing that

813
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: came to mind. I'm sure there's a better answer.

814
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: But isn't that a horrifying feeling when someone asks you

815
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: a question?

816
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nightmare.

817
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 4: It's truly my worst nightmare.

818
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: I'm already like questioning it, like Rihanna, what oh God.

819
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 4: I've I'm York, but particular with like uh, actors or

820
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: like music or movies, like when someone says, what's your

821
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: favorite thing? Full panic for me? My mind turns into

822
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 4: a black hole.

823
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: It's a mush. And then also there's the fear of

824
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: meeting them, and then they are meaner, they suck in

825
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: some way, and then fine, I mean, yeah.

826
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that has knock on wood. I don't think that

827
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: that's really happened with people that I respect yet, but

828
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 4: it happens all the time. Yeah. I. And speaking of

829
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: like getting asked questions, I have recently been thinking, why

830
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: don't I just write down my favorite things in the

831
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: notes app and then when someone asks me I have

832
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: an answer, take a small breath and look at the

833
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 4: app I did.

834
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: I should have pulled open my notes app and looked

835
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: at my list of favorite celebrities.

836
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 4: I haven't the most alarming possible, but have you heard

837
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 4: that Lisa has a list of her favorite celebrities. She's

838
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 4: out of her mind, She's dangerous. All she thinks about

839
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 4: is horses and her favorite celebrities.

840
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: And I'm constantly like reorganizing the list. You were knocked

841
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 2: down a few spaces Angelina Jolie for no reason, Just like.

842
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: No, I feel like Rihanna's an excellent answer. I feel

843
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: like Rihanna is a roller skater.

844
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: I feel like she'd be good at it. Probably she'd

845
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: just look really cool and you know everything. If she

846
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: even deigned to smile in my direction, I would melt.

847
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: You would tumble off off of your skates.

848
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh.

849
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: Rihanna, she's it seems like she's making a little return

850
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: to the state.

851
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I hope. So. I was really excited

852
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: she was going to release a new song. And then

853
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: she did and I was like, oh, it wasn't like

854
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: a dance song. I want it to be like a

855
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: pop song. You know, it was a ballad.

856
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: Never return with a ballad, No return with a banger.

857
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

858
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: I think that's what everyone that's common knowledge.

859
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 2: At this point. That's what we need right now.

860
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 4: You don't h Yeah, truly, no more slow songs after

861
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: the last two years. I truly am like, we can't

862
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 4: have any more sad things. Everything should be an absolute celebration.

863
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: If I can't dance to it, I don't want to

864
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: hear it.

865
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and especially when you're hot. I mean the trick

866
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: with this is when you start hyping. When you hype something,

867
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: it's gotta be a hype. Yeah, it can't be a

868
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: slow moving thing.

869
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. This was a misstep, Yes, and a rare mistake.

870
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: Talk to her PR team.

871
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: But also maybe it's like a lowering of expectations that

872
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: than her next song she blows people out of the water.

873
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: Oh god, I hope. So now my expectations are even high.

874
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 2: You can't.

875
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: She's trapped. She's absolutely trapped.

876
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: She's in a terrible place.

877
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: But then the other problem is is it was part

878
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: of a soundtrack, which also is like it's just like now,

879
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: it's part of a marketing cycle of something.

880
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: It's not original, ip right, and it's.

881
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: Like kind of written by the soundtrack person. It's like, Rihanna,

882
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: we love you. I think that everybody's allowed to make

883
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 4: a few a few, and it's not even a mistake.

884
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 4: She just made a move that people didn't want.

885
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Terrible mistake, I think.

886
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 4: And she'll be back. She's going to be back soon enough,

887
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 4: with songs of.

888
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: All kinds, bangers, an entire album of bangers.

889
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 4: I mean, Beyonce did that. Yeah, that album really just

890
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: knocked me off my socks.

891
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: It took me a while to get into it, and

892
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: now I'm really into it.

893
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: It's so good. It's good, and it's fun from beginning

894
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: to end. That's all over once. Yeah, Rihanna. I know

895
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: you're listening.

896
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: Take a lesson from Beyonce.

897
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 4: I don't want to pit you two against each other.

898
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: You're both great.

899
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: I do. I think their neck and neck at all times.

900
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: Fight to the deck.

901
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: He still wants to start a celebrity feud, I do.

902
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: It's been a while since we've had a really good one.

903
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 4: It has been a while. What was our last great

904
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: celebrity feud. I'm not the person to ask. Again, my

905
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: mind goes blank immediately. No, not great with celebrity gossip.

906
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I actually it's probably the whole movie that.

907
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 4: Don't worry Darling.

908
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: Oh that's what it was.

909
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 4: That was fun, and I think we talked that thing

910
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 4: to death, and that's why we've already forgot.

911
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that. I like celebrity gossip too much,

912
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: but I always I'm like, oh, it's it's research, it's

913
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: a it's a business thing that I'm doing.

914
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got to be on top of the entertainment industry. Exactly, Yes, absolutely,

915
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 4: yeah that I think that was the last big celebrity

916
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: story that we were.

917
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: All involved with, all of us, and I part.

918
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: We had no choice. I felt like we had kind

919
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 4: of been. We all kind of got dragged into it

920
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 4: at one point. It's like you can't not think about

921
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: this story. Yeah, and now it's gone, and hopefully the

922
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 4: salad dressing or whatever the final step in the vult

923
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: loved it. I think we should play a game. Okay,

924
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 4: I think we should play Gift or a curse? Yes,

925
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 4: could I have a number between one and ten from you.

926
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: Two?

927
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 4: Okay, I've got to do some light calculating. So right now,

928
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 4: you've got the microphone. You can recommend, promote, you really can.

929
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: You the canvas's blank, do whatever you want. I'll be

930
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: right back.

931
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I have something I could recommend. During the pandemic,

932
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: I got really into using fresh spices, like ordering them

933
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: and you using that instead of like the kind you'd

934
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: get at the grocery store. And it just it like

935
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: made food more interesting. You know. I was so bored

936
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: of like what I was cooking all the time, and

937
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: I was in a rut and I was depressed, and like,

938
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: getting these fresh spices and using them was just so great.

939
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: So I recommend that. And in doing this, you know,

940
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: I ordered from a bunch of different places. I learned

941
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: that there's this company called Pensies you can order spices from.

942
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: And there's also this competing company. I think it's called

943
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: the Spice House, and they're owned by a brother and sister, respectively,

944
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 2: who are estranged. And Penzy's is owned by the brother

945
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: and he's super super liberal and the Spice House is

946
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: owned by the sister and she's super conservative, and they

947
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: just like hate each other. I think it's really funny

948
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: that there's competing spice companies and that whatever your political leanings,

949
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: there's a fresh spice company for you.

950
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: How have we not been talking about this?

951
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I want it to be like a documentary.

952
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with it.

953
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: This is fascinating. Yeah, so who are you ordering from?

954
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: Which I'm ordering from? Penzi's. You know, he's the more

955
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: liberal one, but he does some kind of weird stuff,

956
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: like he sent out an email to everyone who subscribes

957
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: to the Penzi's newsletter telling them that they should rename

958
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior Day to like all Republicans are

959
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: Liar's Day.

960
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: Okay, just pick another day for that holiday.

961
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: Don't do that one. So a lot of people got mad,

962
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: but then a lot of people loved it, you know,

963
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: and I think it was all a wash.

964
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 4: But yeah, I've never You think about fresh herbs all

965
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: the time, but you never think about fresh spices. This

966
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 4: is a whole new category.

967
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like such a spice snob now I

968
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: can't go back. Like if you order fresh cuman and

969
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: then you compare it to like the grocery store kind

970
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: that tastes like dust, Like.

971
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: It's really I mean, and does it like feel different?

972
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 4: Does it look different?

973
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: Doesn't look that different, but yeah, the smell is it's

974
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: more fragrant and like, wow, you don't need quite as much,

975
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: you know, to flavor your food. And I don't know.

976
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: I mean I during the pandemic, I was just grabbing

977
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: for anything that introduced novelty in my life.

978
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 4: Well and like during the pandemic sensory experiences, that makes

979
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 4: perfect sense. You wanted something that felt new and enlivened

980
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 4: your senses totally. Oh wow, it also feels like something

981
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 4: that could I could easily be scammed with. They could

982
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: easily send me old, dried.

983
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: You wouldn't know, Yeah, yeah, maybe I just maybe I

984
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: think it's new and it's not. It's not fresh at all.

985
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: It's been sitting on a shelf for six months.

986
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: Right, so I just want to put that little bug

987
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 4: in your head.

988
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: Just think about seed of doubt and it's been planted.

989
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna play gift or a curse. I'm gonna

990
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 4: name three things. You're gonna tell me if there're a

991
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 4: gift or a curse and why, and then I'm going

992
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: to tell you if the if you're correct or not.

993
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: Because there are objectively correct answers, I have the truth

994
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: on my side.

995
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: It's gonna be really tough for me. I don't want

996
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: to yuck anyone's yum.

997
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 4: Well be prepared.

998
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

999
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: This first one comes from a listener named Nicolai. Gift

1000
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 4: or a curse. Waiters who sit at the table when

1001
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: taking your.

1002
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: Order, Oh my god, they sit down with you.

1003
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently they sit down with you. A curse and why.

1004
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: I'd be worried that they would join the meal and

1005
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: that they would be like, okay, and I've taken your order,

1006
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: and then I for myself, I'm going to order the burger.

1007
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: My shift's over, and now I'm going to join the meal.

1008
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just feels too familiar. It also

1009
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: feels like affected, you know, It's like they're trying to

1010
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: feel intimate, you know, and make you feel welcome. But

1011
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: it's it's sort of they do it with everyone, right.

1012
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: I don't like that. I want to be special, Lisa, wrong, Oh,

1013
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: right off the bat, failing.

1014
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: These people first of all. So let's just gift. I

1015
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 4: am calling a ceasefire on waiters on airplane staff. Let

1016
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 4: them do whatever they want. I don't care what sort

1017
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: of novelty behavior that's people have in mind. You can

1018
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: kneel at the table, you can sit, you can sit

1019
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 4: on my lap for all I care. I don't care anymore.

1020
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I assumed they weren't making this choice, and that

1021
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: this was like the restaurant owner was making them do this.

1022
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: The manager was like, okay, and now you're gonna sit

1023
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: down with these fucks whether you like them or not.

1024
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: So I didn't I like it for that reason.

1025
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure that's what's happening.

1026
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: That said, if it's their choice, I mean, that's interesting.

1027
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: I think it's completely a gift. It makes everybody slightly

1028
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 4: uneasy at the table. It alters the chemistry of the

1029
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: evening in a way that's neither I wouldn't say good.

1030
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: But if you look at it through the right lens.

1031
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: Not bad.

1032
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: It's something to talk about, that's nice.

1033
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: And you bring up this possibility of them just full

1034
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: out joining the dinner, which I love.

1035
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it depends, you know, it depends

1036
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: on them. There's a lot of context here that could change.

1037
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: If suddenly I'm enjoying dinner with the server and they're

1038
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: now and now another server has to come up to

1039
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 4: take our orders, and they just keep filling in the

1040
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: table until the restaurant has to close down. I'm on

1041
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: board with that.

1042
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: It'd be the best night of your life. Yeah, you've

1043
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: convinced me, but I can't change my answer.

1044
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: You definitely have gotten one wrong so far.

1045
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm already in the hole.

1046
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't let that shake your confidence. You have two left.

1047
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: This next one is from a listener named Sarah Ashley

1048
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 4: Gift You're a curse, referring to a piece of clothing

1049
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 4: as just a piece.

1050
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: A curse?

1051
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: And why just a piece? Yeah, Like you pull out

1052
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: a dress and you're like, this is just a piece.

1053
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: I think it's a curse to like see your wardrobe

1054
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: as like a collection that you're curating. I think that's

1055
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's kind of it's silly. Right, it's

1056
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: not a work of art. It's a shirt. You didn't

1057
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: make it, you didn't buy it from an artisan, You

1058
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 2: got it from Madewell or whatever.

1059
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 4: Lisa wrong. I love nothing more than when somebody thinks

1060
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: that their clothes, their clothing, is worth calling a piece

1061
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: a piece. I bought this piece wherever. I mean, I've

1062
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: never well, I probably have done it jokingly at some point.

1063
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: But it would be great to do that with like

1064
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: some underwear. You got it Target.

1065
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 4: I got this piece on the clearance racket. H and M. No,

1066
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 4: it's an absolutely a gift. I would love to get

1067
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 4: to the mindset where I'm referring to all of my

1068
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 4: clothing as a piece.

1069
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: I think you could pull that off. I'm gonna I

1070
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: think if I did it, it would seem really annoying.

1071
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 4: But it gives a new side to your personality that

1072
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: now everyone in your life has to deal with, which

1073
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 4: I like. Yeah, I think that that's a And you're

1074
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 4: always trying to surprise and shock, and I think everyone

1075
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 4: everywhere is always trying to surprise and shop.

1076
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm just trying not to stand out. I

1077
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: don't want anyone to pay attention.

1078
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 4: Lisa, I need you to start surprising and shocking people.

1079
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll try.

1080
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: Brainstorm some ideas on how you can do that. I mean,

1081
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 4: you're kind of surprising and shocking me and having gotten zero.

1082
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: So far, I knew this would happen.

1083
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: Final shot here to get even one point. Gift and

1084
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 4: this is from someone named Catherine. Catherine suggested gift or

1085
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: a curse. Close calls, so you know, just close calls

1086
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 4: like near death, near death whatever you think, absolutely a

1087
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: gift and why you almost something bad almost happened and

1088
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 4: then you got away?

1089
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what luck? And it's it like makes

1090
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: you reevaluate life and how much you value it. Well,

1091
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: you almost lost it. It makes you not take it

1092
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 2: for granted anymore. Who Yeah, of course.

1093
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: I mean you are a way to close this game.

1094
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 4: You had your own close call, you really had. This

1095
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: was not calculated for you to have a close call.

1096
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: But of course they're a gift. They get your heart racing.

1097
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: My heart's pounding.

1098
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, you've just had a beautiful close call

1099
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 4: where you could have completely failed the game. I would

1100
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: have shut the podcast down early and probably.

1101
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: Do it audio thrown these batty balls at my head.

1102
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: No, of course, close. How could close calls ever be

1103
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 4: a curse? Yeah, I mean the opposite of a close

1104
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 4: call is that things went wrong and you didn't get

1105
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 4: correct the situation.

1106
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: Or that just nothing happened at all and you had

1107
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: an eventless time.

1108
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: You had never had a story to tell. Yeah, your

1109
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 4: life was so dull up until the very last minute.

1110
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 4: So we all need a close call every now and

1111
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 4: again just to keep us alive, keep our hearts racing.

1112
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: Maybe not every day would be stressful, but once a.

1113
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 4: Week, once a week, I'm going to say once a quarter.

1114
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: For me, I can have one close close call well

1115
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 4: poorly played overall, I disagree you did. You did give

1116
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: it your best effort, and that's all we can really ask.

1117
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that I gave you my strongest opinion.

1118
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 4: This is the final segment of the podcast. This is

1119
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 4: called I said no emails people write into I said

1120
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 4: no gifts at gmail dot com. And my listeners have problems.

1121
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 4: We all. I mean, I think it's public knowledge at

1122
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: this point that I probably have the most listeners with

1123
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: the most problems. Yeah, A lot of podcasts have listeners

1124
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 4: that apparently they're just sailing through life, while my listeners

1125
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 4: are crawling. They're struggling, stumbling, struggling, failing. Yeah, and so

1126
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 4: we reach out. Well, they reach out first, unsolicited and

1127
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: give me their problems and then we help them. So

1128
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: will you help me? Answer?

1129
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 2: Sure?

1130
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 4: Okay, let me read an email. I'm getting into the

1131
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: doc we're scrolling. Okay, I'm seeing Christmas is the first

1132
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: word of this email. So this is a good seasonally

1133
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 4: appropriate thing. Dear Bridger and guest, Christmas is around the corner,

1134
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: and I'm anxious thinking about what to get from my

1135
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 4: parents this year. My sister and I are known for

1136
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 4: giving extremely thoughtful gifts, but this year I fear I'm

1137
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 4: reaching the end of my thoughtfulness. Okay. Last year we

1138
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: made a short film recreating some scenes from my mom's

1139
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 4: stand out film and theater roles throughout her career.

1140
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: This is Meryl Streep's daughter.

1141
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: What's her name? Gummy Shoesak? What is her name? I

1142
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 4: feel like the word gummy is.

1143
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: Involved, Mami Gummer.

1144
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 4: Maybe covered. I was very close. That was a good guest.

1145
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: My apologies to you named a character from the Grapes

1146
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: of Wrath.

1147
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 4: My mom. Okay, so we recreated some scenes from my

1148
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: mom's stand out film and theater roles throughout her career.

1149
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: We also transcribed, photographed, and pile a box of love

1150
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: letters sent between our grandparents during World War Two for

1151
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 4: my father.

1152
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what is happening in this family? My effort.

1153
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 4: As you can see, we are innovative and perfect children. Okay,

1154
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 4: back up, Lord, back off, sweetheart, Bridger and Guest. I'm

1155
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: exhausted by my stellar performance as a daughter and need

1156
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 4: a break from excellence here. I need a break from you.

1157
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 4: What can we gift my parents that won't terribly disappoint

1158
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 4: them after years upon years of masterful gifts? Please help? Sincerely, yours, Ayana.

1159
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 4: So it's not Memi Gamer, whatever her name is?

1160
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: Me me gamer?

1161
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 4: What is her name?

1162
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: Mami Gummer?

1163
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: Maymi Gummer, Maymi Gummer committing committing to memory, Maimie. My apologies, Merrill,

1164
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 4: My apologies, Streep family, My apologies. Okay, Leanna.

1165
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: I think I think she's got to disappoint her parents.

1166
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 2: I think she has to. She's set the bar way

1167
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: too high and now she's got to reset it at

1168
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: zero and just and you do the thing she's most

1169
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: afraid of, which is disappointing them and get them just

1170
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: like a cheeseboard, you know, which I think is a

1171
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: great gift, but it's like way less personal.

1172
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 4: Or toying this documentary or whatever.

1173
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then just kind of reset from there so

1174
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: that she doesn't have to keep upping the bar every year.

1175
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: It's impossible.

1176
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 4: This is a classic Hollywood reboot. Yeah, the franchise gets

1177
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 4: out of control, they lose sight of what the thing is,

1178
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 4: and then they start from basics. They go back to

1179
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: just a normal thing.

1180
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: A nice candle.

1181
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 4: I think this is great. I think I mean, I

1182
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 4: think the gift would be to just truly back off.

1183
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: I think her parents are like, oh, what do you

1184
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 4: think we are?

1185
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: You're being clean, You're obsessed with us, don't get them anything,

1186
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: disappear for a few months, yeah, forget, forget Christmas, and

1187
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: then apologize two months later for forgetting.

1188
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, this is not a sustainable pattern, Eanna, Like,

1189
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 4: you can't keep eventually, and this is going to lead

1190
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 4: to her killing her parents or something.

1191
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and unless growth is like really unhealthy for society

1192
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: and for personal relationships.

1193
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred percent.

1194
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just nowhere to go from here.

1195
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 4: Right, at some point it's going to it really will

1196
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 4: become dangerous and then like, I don't want to see

1197
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 4: what happens with that. Somebody really will be making a

1198
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 4: documentary about you, and.

1199
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will be a murder. It will be like

1200
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: a family Annihilation style of murder.

1201
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 4: That's a good name for a documentary, family Annihilation.

1202
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: I would watch that.

1203
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 4: That would be street number one streaming on Netflix. But yeah,

1204
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 4: I think a cheese board or just your your real

1205
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: basic Uh, maybe buy them a broom.

1206
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: Or something broom, but a nice broom.

1207
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a nice sturdy broom. You know, if you

1208
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: buy a cheap broom, you are going to get splinters.

1209
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 4: I bought a cheap room a little while ago. Bad idea. Yeah,

1210
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 4: you got to get a decent broom. Yeah, or the

1211
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 4: head is going to fall off or is that the

1212
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 4: head of a broom head?

1213
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, brush, don't get one made out of plastic. Get

1214
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: like a nice sturdy wooden Yeah, like a kind of

1215
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: witch would ride. Oh if only classic blue room.

1216
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 4: I'd love to have a classic broom. Yeah, I think

1217
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 4: it is a broom. I think the and your parents

1218
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 4: can unwrap it together and then they have to share

1219
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: and they can surprise each other by sweeping the house. Yeah,

1220
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 4: what a lovely thing to get for a Christmas.

1221
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: Try not to be there when they're opening it. That's

1222
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: like going to be too intense for you.

1223
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 4: I mean, your poor parents. What are they expecting this year? Yeah,

1224
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 4: they're probably like having to emotionally prepare for whatever Aana

1225
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 4: and sister have got cooked up this year. Yeah, and

1226
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 4: that's got to be stressful for the recipient.

1227
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: God, gift giving is so stressful.

1228
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 4: It really is. It freaks me out in a huge way.

1229
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: Me too.

1230
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 4: I'm so bad at it, are you? I'm terrible at it?

1231
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: Wow? I think I'm pretty bad too. Yeah.

1232
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 4: I mean occasionally I'll land on something that is a

1233
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 4: great gift, but it's a very rare and the person

1234
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 4: has to just constantly be talking about needing something.

1235
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, then they need to tell you.

1236
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 4: The right and I'm able to kind of catalog that

1237
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: and keep it a secret for a minute. I'm like

1238
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 4: getting online and looking.

1239
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: Up are you looking at guides and stuff to try

1240
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: to God? Oh God, it's always a yeah, you're never

1241
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: gonna find it in.

1242
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 4: There, right, You're gonna they're gonna be like, get them

1243
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: an iice wallet already have, right, just luxury product? Uh,

1244
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: the gift guides do nothing for me. And now i've

1245
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 4: do you have nieces or nephews? Uh?

1246
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: Do I? Yeah? I have a couple. Okay, I'll tell

1247
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: you what you don't start because then they'll expect it. Everything.

1248
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 4: It's very stressful, gets more and more stressful. And that's

1249
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 4: my problem now. So no one in my family will

1250
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 4: be getting an a on a level gift. Let's be honest.

1251
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 4: That's I can barely take care of myself. It's really

1252
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 4: a day to day struggle to keep myself alive and happy.

1253
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 4: But I you know, I try. Are you getting at

1254
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 4: them anything for Christmas?

1255
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Last Christmas we did a thing where we could

1256
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: only get each other a gift that was like either

1257
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: used or like a consumable.

1258
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 4: Oh great, and what did you get?

1259
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: What did I get? Uh? He got me like a

1260
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: gift certificate to get some massages. That was really nice.

1261
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 4: That's an excellent gift unless it's to a ratty salon.

1262
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: It was nice. It was nice. And then oh I

1263
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: think I got him. I don't remember if this was

1264
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: for Christmas or not, but I found on eBay like

1265
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: a Nintendo employee jacket.

1266
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god, and it was really cute.

1267
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: It's like red with like a plaid liner. It's like

1268
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: a bomber jacket. He loves Nintendo so much, so.

1269
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 4: He enjoyed that, and it was like a vintage jacket.

1270
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: Vintage.

1271
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great gift.

1272
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: It was the best gift I've ever gotten him.

1273
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 4: Well, now you've got yourself in your own little cycle here.

1274
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 4: Now what is he gonna expect this year?

1275
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: He better lowered those expectations because I got nothing.

1276
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: Stock something. No, Well, we answered the question perfectly, aona,

1277
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 4: you know, essentially just rode into brag, which is never

1278
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 4: a good look for anyone. Uh, You're obviously needs a spotlight.

1279
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 4: And I think parents need to obviously just need to

1280
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 4: pay her more attention. She's begging for their attention. Yeah,

1281
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 4: and now she's turning to podcasts sad. Oh, heartbreaking heart,

1282
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: especially during the holiday. Someone that alone, it's really a

1283
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 4: desperate situation. Lisa, Yes, I have my batchie. I'm so

1284
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 4: this is a genuinely good gift. You know, it's not

1285
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 4: like a usable item that I can now entertain people

1286
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 4: with or just stand out here weirdly on my own.

1287
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 4: I guess I do. I can't just leave them lying

1288
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 4: around the dog will swallow one.

1289
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got to watch out for the dogs.

1290
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: She will chew.

1291
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 4: Is something I'm now thinking about. This is maybe a

1292
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 4: bad gift.

1293
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: I take no responsibility, and nor will I help with

1294
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: the vet bills.

1295
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 4: Maybe I can.

1296
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: I hope you have insurance.

1297
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 4: I don't because she had a pre existing Oh yes,

1298
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 4: I know about that. Insurance is such a scam. What

1299
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 4: a horrible industry. We don't want to end on that note.

1300
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 4: I'll spray the balls with the like the bitter bitter

1301
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 4: apple or whatever, and she will she won't want anything

1302
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 4: to do with them. Thank you so much for the gift.

1303
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: Thank you for being here. I've had such a good time.

1304
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, my pleasure listener.

1305
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 4: It is the end of the podcast. We're here, you know.

1306
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 4: We get in the car at the beginning and kind

1307
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 4: of just drive along and then eventually I have to

1308
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 4: let you out. So that's what I'm going to do.

1309
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 4: I'm unlocking the doors. I'm signaling without signaling, and just

1310
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 4: hoping you'll get out and move on with your day.

1311
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 4: Go do something enjoyable for yourself. It really doesn't take much.

1312
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 4: I'll see you soon or you'll hear from me soon.

1313
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: I love you goodbye. I said, No Gifts is an

1314
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 4: exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Annalise Nelson,

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Speaker 4: and it's beautifully mixed by Leana Squilatchi. And we couldn't

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Speaker 4: do it without our guest booker, Patrick Coottner. The theme song,

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Speaker 4: of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Man.

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Speaker 4: You must follow the show on Instagram. At I said

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Speaker 4: no gifts, I don't want to hear any excuses. That's

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Speaker 4: where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous

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Speaker 4: gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures

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Speaker 4: of the gifts?

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Speaker 1: And I invited you hear.

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Speaker 4: Thought.

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Speaker 1: I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to

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Speaker 1: my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said,

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Speaker 1: no guests, you're our presences, presents.

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Speaker 3: And I already had too much stuff, So how do

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Speaker 2: You dare to survey me