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Speaker 1: let's talk the final evidence of whether or not Gatsby

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Speaker 1: was a white passing black man. A slur written scrawled

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Speaker 1: on the front of his house. Yeah, that is that

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Speaker 1: is not uh, it is not revealed what that word was,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the few things that Nick seems

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Speaker 1: to call our attention to, like I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying what this is. Like he's really calling our attention

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Speaker 1: to the fact that he's not saying what it is.

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Speaker 1: Was there any other evidence in this last section.

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Speaker 2: His dad showing up and you know, like I said,

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Speaker 2: we're looking through this through through the whole lens of

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Speaker 2: him possibly being black, passing the fact that only one

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Speaker 2: of his parents showed up, just.

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Speaker 1: A dad, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know his his his dad. He's the

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Speaker 2: scribed as a white man. And I do think that

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Speaker 2: a white man, black wife would be way more acceptable

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Speaker 2: and safer than a black man white woman back in

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Speaker 2: that era, right, Like that's that something that I'll get

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Speaker 2: your lynch back.

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Speaker 1: Then.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying so so so the math

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Speaker 2: on that kind of checks out. So that was that

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Speaker 2: was that was you know, of course the slur and

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Speaker 2: only one of his parents showing up after he died,

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Speaker 2: was you know, have had the had the passing census tingling.

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Speaker 3: Did y'all read how his daddy talked that man was.

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Speaker 2: A moon Criakiye, Darrick Johnson?

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Speaker 1: What a quote?

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Speaker 2: Did y'all read?

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Speaker 1: Daddy talk heard one?

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Speaker 4: But uh?

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Speaker 3: Also I had to I had to catch up because

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Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't here in the last part. Uh,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know which sectionist was in.

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Speaker 2: I just I just read yes.

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Speaker 3: But so they're talking about the color of his skin

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Speaker 3: and the when he was, when he was uh before

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Speaker 3: he topped on the boat with old boy, and they

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Speaker 3: just finding it is brown. I've never seen a white

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Speaker 3: person who was tan that had brown skin. I've seen

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Speaker 3: darker skin, a red tinted darker skin, never seen browns.

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Speaker 3: That was interesting to me too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, remember that part of my tripping it was it

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Speaker 4: was the language, like his language changed from this he

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Speaker 4: had described his skin, which felt in addition to using

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Speaker 4: that word round, it felt specifically like why did you

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Speaker 4: described him differently than he did before.

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Speaker 3: What you chasing the jackal?

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Speaker 2: Though? That's crazy, that's what you.

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Speaker 1: Going to say.

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Speaker 2: That's what that might be working and counter to the theory.

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Speaker 3: I don't say, that's counter which is really fucked up.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: A man who would leave his family you go out

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Speaker 3: chasing one, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Nigga?

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Speaker 3: So hey, that's the addition to what we are to

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Speaker 3: the theory of mouth, for that's a different type of nigga.

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Speaker 3: You leave your family behind. Yeah, bro, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. You you move in a different.

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Speaker 1: Type of way. So let me so, let me present

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Speaker 1: a couple of things and then and then I want verdicts.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're going to fucking bang the gavel on

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Speaker 1: what you on what you ultimately think or not. What

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Speaker 1: do you think the word was that was scrawled on

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Speaker 1: his house? And if it was racial and it was

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Speaker 1: known that Gatsby or suspected that Gatsby might not have

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Speaker 1: been a white man, why do you think Nick does

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Speaker 1: not address that