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Speaker 1: Live from Indianapolis. This is continuing coverage of the NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Good morning, everyone, Welcome today

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Speaker 1: three of our coverage from the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Dult with you from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Steelers

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Speaker 1: Radio Network, joined for the next two hours by Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson Steelers Nation Radio. Matt, good morning, and yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: starting to starting to get exciting, at least across the

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Speaker 1: street when they start doing some drills. We're still waiting

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Speaker 1: to get our hands on the measurements, the heights, waits,

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Speaker 1: hand size. You know. Kenny Pickett was asked about it

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Speaker 1: yesterday and he just kind of giggled and laughed it off,

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Speaker 1: because if you could do every combine, But the reality

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Speaker 1: is it doesn't deter or is Bill to say, tier

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Speaker 1: teams from taking guys that they you know, the they

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Speaker 1: like regard their hand size. Yeah, it's nice and I

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Speaker 1: always used, but I always used the Baker Mayfield, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know situation a couple of years ago where if

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Speaker 1: he didn't have the smallest hand size of all quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: he had among the smallest hand size. His general general

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Speaker 1: manager at the Times, John Dorsey said, yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: big factor in Northeast small hands, and yet he went

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Speaker 1: there for one anyhow, Yeah, I understand. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you saw this, and I didn't even know,

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Speaker 1: but with all this pike at hand size and they

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Speaker 1: referenced a tweak that Joe Burrows sent out about this

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Speaker 1: time of year because he just got his hands measured.

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Speaker 1: It was slightly over nine I think, which is small.

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Speaker 1: And he's kind of a cocky dude, as we've we

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Speaker 1: found out, a rather confident young man and said, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess nobody should draft me. My hands are too small. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: right right, right, First overall, you know, Joe Burrow, he

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Speaker 1: was the epitome of confidence. Uh went here on you know,

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Speaker 1: on the podium, and the course was Baker Mayfield, who

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Speaker 1: was very confident but cocky, almost arrogant even then to

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Speaker 1: find Yeah, but I mean it was, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was kind of entertaining. I think his into the effect

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Speaker 1: that um um, I'm the guy who can turn this

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Speaker 1: the guy, or something to that effect. And that's that's

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Speaker 1: the way he was then that's the way he still is. Now,

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Speaker 1: all those things are hard for me to decipher. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 1: when you have these players into your your building for

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Speaker 1: the day and it can really spend time with them,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot more to take away personality wise, leadership, confidence,

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Speaker 1: all those things. Because the guy that I like better

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Speaker 1: maybe than Borrow is Herbert And the big knock on

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Speaker 1: the above. I mean, I think he's as special as

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Speaker 1: anyone out there, still, Yeah, And the big knock on

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Speaker 1: him this time of his his process was well, he's

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Speaker 1: kind of quiet. I don't know what kind of leader

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Speaker 1: to have confidence even in himself. I get a lot

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Speaker 1: of that from Kenny Pickett. Yeah, I can see what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, right, and it doesn't everyone. I mean, Eli

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Speaker 1: is kind of a dead fish. And boy, he was

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Speaker 1: confident when the time mattered, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, um uh, you get something. That's why. That's

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Speaker 1: why kind of Baker Mayfield was so refreshing at the time,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of times, you know, even like I

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Speaker 1: think I think Kenny Picckott was asked yesterday, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think I'm confusing him with one of the other guys,

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Speaker 1: one of the other quarterbacks. You know, would you be

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Speaker 1: willing to go somewhere we have to sit here or

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Speaker 1: too well, I just you know, I just want to

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Speaker 1: nice age. You know, Agent taught him that pretty well

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Speaker 1: from the early eight hald was having none of that,

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Speaker 1: just and you just saw that swagger and that cockiness,

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Speaker 1: and that's what makes him, you know, despite his not

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Speaker 1: not a lack of not a lot of lack of

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Speaker 1: height and small hands, that's what makes him as the

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Speaker 1: leader that he is. Although still debating in Cleveland what

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Speaker 1: Tony GROSSI and talked about you know, Baker quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: And I think they, I mean, I flat outside it

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Speaker 1: Browns to sign this guy to a long term, big

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Speaker 1: I don't compare him to this player anymore, but just

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Speaker 1: funny to me to you know, how we started this

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Speaker 1: You know, guys like Herbert and Baker and all these guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's easy to stand up at the podium

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Speaker 1: and act tough. But as Mike Tyson said, you know,

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Speaker 1: You are punch um? You know, Uh, the U where

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Speaker 1: I think the Browns have to end this is overreacting

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Speaker 1: the season. Matt last I thought the Browns had best team,

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Speaker 1: the best roster in the division. And then subsequently we saw,

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Speaker 1: right about what it looked like. Yeah, and I thought

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Speaker 1: average year to overreact, in my opinion, to Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: and we kind of talked about that, you know, yesterday

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Speaker 1: so Baker doesn't hold all the cards and the negotiations.

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Speaker 1: At least I have a plan B in the building.

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Speaker 1: And I wasn't a massive Baker believer coming out of school.

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Speaker 1: And he's flashed, don't get me wrong, but I don't

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Speaker 1: And you know what in mean, Um, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: me is even brings up the Ravens, you know, like

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Speaker 1: They got destroyed with injuries last year, and they have

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Speaker 1: another thing that the Bengals avoided for the most part. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did look at at Baltimore and think, boy, don't

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Speaker 1: cut the organization out whatever you have. I'm with you, ye, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I still look at teams, owner, GM, front office, coach, quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and the last piece of the puzzle for the Steelers

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Speaker 1: you know. Uh, I was talking about this last night

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Speaker 1: the point we were talking about Baker and I said, uh,

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Speaker 1: the most impressive interview I've ever seen at the Combine

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Speaker 1: by a quarterback was Andrew Luck on the field. We

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Speaker 1: the COMMA. Interesting. You know, we were actually at a

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Speaker 1: we were talking about top quarterbacks and I brought up

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence him and he said, I love Lawrence, but

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Speaker 1: he wasn't Luck coming out like every he was, you know,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned RG three to be nine out of ten years,

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Speaker 1: on back, I don't know, getting somebody to fire up

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Speaker 1: forty nine reps? Right? And you only know that because

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Speaker 1: I saw yesterday, do you imagine? And we were talking

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Speaker 1: I guess it was yesterday morning was the first time

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Speaker 1: I ever met Max in person. We've done videos together

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, those short, stocky

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Speaker 1: at a and m uh, well, you know they called

427
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Speaker 1: they had to throw every other time, right, I mean

428
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Speaker 1: there there was that the rate attack there rate or whatever,

429
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know it was it was a tough

430
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Speaker 1: transition for Cedric, you know when it was uh and

431
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Speaker 1: if they can you know, and then you go for

432
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Speaker 1: a couple of years and I think what was the difference, Well,

433
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Speaker 1: games changed, yeah, dramatically. Um brought me to a question

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Speaker 1: about Chase. I mean, he didn't struggle too much as

435
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Speaker 1: a rookie that's he's an unbelievable talent. And you guys

436
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 1: have had some really good receivers Jad Johnson, Whosman's Audo Green.

437
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Speaker 1: Of course, you know Tee Higgins a hack a player.

438
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Speaker 1: Where does Chase rankin just tools? Well, really impressive. I'll

439
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: tell you t Higgins just to say to Higgins would

440
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Speaker 1: be a number one receiver. That's But the thing about Chases,

441
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Speaker 1: I mean he runs, he runs, wrote the guy. He

442
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: runs Hall of Fame roads. He runs brought to the

443
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Speaker 1: guy who's been in the league eight years. I mean

444
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: he ran bro I mean he ran a bench road

445
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 1: against Nashville. I mean down and down in Nashville against

446
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Speaker 1: the Titans, and the next the last snap to set

447
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Speaker 1: up the winning field. I mean that was he ran

448
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Speaker 1: now it out on a ten year veteran Geno's Jenkins

449
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: jack Rabbit, Jenkins jack rabbit, and I mean he had

450
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Speaker 1: separation like that and that was pure rout running in

451
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. You know, everybody talked about Jalen Ramsey.

452
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Speaker 1: I don't know if Jalen Ramsey ever covered. I mean,

453
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Speaker 1: I mean, and Jalen Ramsey's the best cornerback hy I

454
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Speaker 1: have Hi Ramsey, But it looked like he was struggling

455
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Speaker 1: against I mean and I and that's that says more

456
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Speaker 1: about Jason I mean, I mean, I don't think I

457
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Speaker 1: said hi regard for Ramsey. We were talking earlier about

458
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks who have come through the combine and how

459
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Speaker 1: they've handled themselves. And we were talking about Joe Burrow

460
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Speaker 1: and how confident he seemed and poised last year. And

461
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Speaker 1: we're talking about Baker Mayfield, who was confident, cocky when

462
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Speaker 1: he was here. And you know, we heard Joe Burrow

463
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Speaker 1: during the year, especially after they beat the Steelers, where

464
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Speaker 1: he said, you know, uh, you know, you could correct

465
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Speaker 1: me on exactly on what it was, but he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we aspired to more than just beating

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Speaker 1: the people, like especially in Pittsburgh. Whoa I mean, no,

468
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Speaker 1: the hex he think he is. And then later on

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Speaker 1: in the year after I think maybe after the Steeler

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Speaker 1: game again or one of the other games, maybe after

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Speaker 1: the playoff game, he said, this isn't the icing, this

472
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Speaker 1: isn't the icing on. This is just a cake, right,

473
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Speaker 1: But that was the confidence this guy had. Yeah, that's

474
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Speaker 1: no shot at the Steelers, the right trying to be

475
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Speaker 1: like the Steelers, you know, and it's a you know

476
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Speaker 1: everybody talks about, uh, you know when the Steelers have

477
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Speaker 1: a great way of carrying themselves. You know, you know

478
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Speaker 1: when you go out there, there a great team with

479
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Speaker 1: a lot of traditions, no matter what their record is,

480
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Speaker 1: you know, and they gotta I think the coach is

481
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Speaker 1: a personification of that. You know. They have, they have

482
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Speaker 1: an identity, they have a label on. Tomlin has been

483
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Speaker 1: terrific at them, putting him that in his own in

484
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Speaker 1: his own image, you know, And uh, you have and

485
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Speaker 1: in order to do that, you have to have some

486
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Speaker 1: skins in the wall and you have to and when

487
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Speaker 1: that comes confidence. And I think that's what Joe was

488
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Speaker 1: talking about. You gotta you gotta do it. You know,

489
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Speaker 1: you get and when you do what, you gotta do

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Speaker 1: it again. And so I think that, Uh, I mean

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Speaker 1: he's a perfect leader. I mean he is as much

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Speaker 1: as we talk about. You know, he's the a f

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Speaker 1: C passing champion. He broke every major's single season Bengals

494
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Speaker 1: passing record, right But the most impressive thing it's how

495
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: he left his stamp on that locker when he did

496
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Speaker 1: it right away, and he did it right away. His

497
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Speaker 1: his personality is magnetic for what he has to do.

498
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Speaker 1: Very said, I mean he changed things immediately, and um

499
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Speaker 1: Steelers and the Ravens, you know, Jerry and never talking

500
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Speaker 1: about last segment, sustained excellence in the division for a

501
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Speaker 1: really stretch. Obviously this time last year everyone's picking the

502
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Speaker 1: Browns and contender didn't quite go that way. You know,

503
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Speaker 1: what's your level of confidence that the Bengals can sustain it?

504
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Speaker 1: I mean, I how can you be confident of this division?

505
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Speaker 1: I mean I mean every I mean everyone. I mean

506
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrows owing three against Baker Mayfield, you know what,

507
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So so, I mean, you

508
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Speaker 1: know it's it's a uh, you know, you know you

509
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Speaker 1: gotta go. I said, it's Tom. Tom want to make him,

510
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Speaker 1: you know, right around the corner, you know, to do

511
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Speaker 1: it again in this division, which that's the Steelers. I mean,

512
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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be uh it really, it literally is

513
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Speaker 1: the uh. I think it's you know, and it's probably

514
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Speaker 1: because we covered all the time, but I can't imagine

515
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Speaker 1: that in this century there's been any division better. I mean,

516
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Speaker 1: you know, we get you know, we get ripped for

517
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Speaker 1: you know, we had that stretch of the last couple

518
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Speaker 1: of last like five or six years, you can go

519
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and you know, it's the same old

520
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: stuff here about the Bengals. You know, if you start

521
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Speaker 1: from where the state he was built in two thousands,

522
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: it's been a pretty kind of a vision. I'm talking.

523
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Speaker 1: We're talking with Jeff Hobson of Bengals dot com. You know, uh, Jeff, uh,

524
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Speaker 1: you look at the way the Bengals are built. As

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Speaker 1: I said though with you know, the ability to throw

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Speaker 1: the ball. Three really good, very good receivers, one one

527
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Speaker 1: maybe another one near great one. The ability to run

528
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Speaker 1: the ball. It wasn't it wasn't anything flukey. That's a

529
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Speaker 1: solid offense that you have then. But but the other

530
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: thing too, and we've mentioned this earlier, um and this

531
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Speaker 1: is always a big factor. Was especially a guys stayed

532
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Speaker 1: away from major injuries and you you didn't have a

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Speaker 1: big COVID issue at all. And that's that's part of it.

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Speaker 1: That's part of it anymore. You gotta stay healthy. I

535
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: tipped my hat to Zach Taylor. He had to manage

536
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: that some teams couldn't do. He did it. You gotta

537
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: go to the head coach and obviously the people around them,

538
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: the head coach, the administration, the security people, whoever had

539
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Speaker 1: to get it done, the trainers. My hat to them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but again, the league is so tight. I

541
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Speaker 1: think what you just said, it comes down to injuries

542
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Speaker 1: and flags. You know, if you can stay on the

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Speaker 1: r I mean, you know this thing, you know we're

544
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Speaker 1: talking about the blip of the blip of a fag

545
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: can change everything. We saw that in the Super Bowl

546
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Speaker 1: with Logan Wilson. The Bengals were the benefit of some

547
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Speaker 1: flags late, you know, so honestly, that's that's what the

548
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: It's injuries and penalties. If you had the penalty. The

549
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: Bengals were the least penalized team in the league. Can

550
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: they do can they Can they do that again? And

551
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: can they stay away from Heaven? You know? They they're

552
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Speaker 1: they're three great receivers, right, they all out of a

553
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Speaker 1: total of like forty nine a total a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, seventeen times Three's that fit? Yeah? Forty nine

555
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: games those guys played to Higgins missed two with a shoulder.

556
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Speaker 1: Can they do that again? One of those was against

557
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: the Steelers? Well that's right, yeah, I think yeah he did.

558
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: He missed the first game against the Steelers, So you know,

559
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: can they do that again? You know, can mix and

560
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: play another seventeen? I mean, can Burrow play another side?

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00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: We saw what happened last year with Joe Burrow. This

562
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: year different but still so. I mean, it's so it's

563
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: so continued on injury, you know. So that's why the

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Speaker 1: bank will want to be there. Yeah, I think they will.

565
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Speaker 1: Being The big thing is that we know they'll be

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Speaker 1: in contention for the next several years in December. But

567
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: beyond that, I mean, and to me, that's the ultimate

568
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: in this league. Beyond that, you can't say anything else.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you it's to me, if

570
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: you get to the playoffs in this league, it's it's

571
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: it's it's gravy. I mean, yeah, you gotta want you

572
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: to win the big one. You have to win the

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Speaker 1: If you don't win it, I don't think it means

574
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Speaker 1: you suck or you're not trying. Just being competitive year

575
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: after years that's hard enough. But the biggest key of all.

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Speaker 1: You got the franchise quarterback. That's the key of all.

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Speaker 1: And you know that there's no issue whether he had

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Speaker 1: a good year. No, no, he didn't have a good years.

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Speaker 1: He's a great player. That's the and you know, look

580
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: at the teams what you guys did with Ben, you

581
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: know Whatlan did with Bread. You gotta have one of them.

582
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Speaker 1: If you don't mean it's hard to you know, it's

583
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: hard to win, uh and it was. And there's some

584
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks, but they don't win Super Bowls, you know.

585
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's uh, defense can only I mean offense.

586
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: You need defense, but it just seems like you need

587
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: that guy to get you over the time. Where did

588
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: the Bengals going to draft. I think, you know, obviously

589
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but I think it's more than that.

590
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: They got to look at cornerback and I think they

591
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: have to look at that. They got to get some

592
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: depth for that wide receiver room. I mean, they got

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00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: three great ones, but it was the fourth guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't have one because I didn't take and it's

595
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: probably on his way, so you gotta get a fourth.

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Speaker 1: And expected love Tyler. Boys. They can't pay him to

597
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: much though, yeah, I mean, but you know you gotta

598
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: pay him, so I mean, you know, yeah, it's the

599
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: best slot receiver in the league. True. It doesn't look

600
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: like he's slowing down either, you know, So that's the

601
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: stuff you have to start dealing with now is right,

602
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: and you've got to decide about Okay, if you pay

603
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Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd that, then where where do you value Tee Higgins?

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Speaker 1: And of course you know what do you put to

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Speaker 1: what value do you put on Jamaar Chase? I mean,

606
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Speaker 1: how much part are they gonna doll out and back

607
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: to back gens with borrowing Chase? Right? That's right, you

608
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: probably that's what happens, right because success, But it was

609
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: going to be the first fifty million dollar yea quarterback perhaps,

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Speaker 1: if not the first one of the first I would

611
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Speaker 1: imagine that's gonna get done pretty quick. Mike Brown never

612
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Speaker 1: hesitates and pains like, oh so you think they'll read

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Speaker 1: they'll rip them up right away? Here? I think I

614
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Speaker 1: would think. I think if I think they, I don't know.

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00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: It's a good question. They did with Carson Palmer the

616
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Speaker 1: first shot they had to, but who knows. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's a different era at different time. It's it couldn't

618
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Speaker 1: have been a better fit two years and a week ago, right,

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Speaker 1: we all came here up here to the combine and

620
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Speaker 1: everybody wanted to know Joe there was just this it

621
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Speaker 1: just doesn't want to go to the Bengals. Remember that

622
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Speaker 1: he came up there and he shot that right right,

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Speaker 1: He said I could get and he said I could

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Speaker 1: get home dinner. Right? What what? What's what's hometown again? Athens, Ohio?

625
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you're right. Look what they've done since

626
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: two years and a week ago, since they made right

627
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: there is stable and is there is stable and a

628
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: and a and as good as any really team in

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Speaker 1: the league. And they have they have a lot of

630
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: cap space, are set up for, you know, a future success.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's really interesting that the defense was built

632
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: mostly from outside the organization over two off seasons. The

633
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: off seasons almost entirely homegrown. But the obviously these offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the aggressive and at a few

635
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Speaker 1: pieces on the offensive line outside the organization. I think

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Speaker 1: they'll be aggressive, but I don't think they're gonna put

637
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Speaker 1: a big number on a guy and I don't think

638
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Speaker 1: they're gonna go after a guy with who's long in

639
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: the tooth. If you go back at that defense, they

640
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: didn't sign a guy over the age. They were all

641
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: second contract. That's the way the Steelers have always viewed

642
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: free age. They want to get a guy who's going

643
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: into his second car on tractor, who's played a little.

644
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: They feel that the upside possible. And the thing is,

645
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: the one thing this offseason that they didn't have in

646
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: the previous two don't have a franchise. You know, they're

647
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: probably gonna if they don't use the Chise tag on

648
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: Jesse Bates, they'll sign into a long term deal. Either way,

649
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: there's going to be a big internal number that they

650
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: didn't have the plast two years, so they will let

651
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Speaker 1: him hit the no. I don't think I would think

652
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: that he's one of the best safeties in the league. Uh,

653
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: DJ Reader though they didn't have a you know, they

654
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: didn't have that issue. They made DJ Reader the highest

655
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: paid nose tackle and the other guy played very well

656
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: and and and deservedly so. And then the next year

657
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: was Trey Henderson deservedly so broke every I mean, you

658
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: can two better free agent signings. Have there been better ever?

659
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Henderson and Reader? I mean we you know, we were

660
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: talking yesterday and let I'll let you go. I um,

661
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: I mentioned I want to ask Kevin Colbert, and I

662
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: know he won't do it, but I'm gonna ask him.

663
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: Give me your top five free agent signings since he's

664
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: been here, and we were going through some of the

665
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: top ones. James are your Ryan Arc and one of

666
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: our your favorite players. A Chimo von Offen was one

667
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, yeah, because he came in like oh

668
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: three or something. My Kilton was going to be in

669
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: our top Yeah, oh absolutely, think absolutely absolutely. Jeff always

670
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: good shotting with you. Same here, guys, always great being one.

671
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: Make sure that guy knows my name. Now you next,

672
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: That's Jeff Hobson of Bengals dot Com. We're gonna take

673
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: a break and we'll be back with more of our

674
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Speaker 1: Combine coverage is presented by First National Bank. Let's get star.

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Speaker 1: Remember f d i C. You're listening to ESPN Pittsburgh

676
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: and Steeler Nation Radio live from Indianapolis. This is continuing

677
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: coverage NFL Radio. Yeah, it's day three of our radio

678
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: coverage here from the NFL Combine were the Indiana Convention

679
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: Center just across the street from Lucas Oil Stadium. Mark

680
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: or Combine coverage is presented. I first get started member

681
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: f d i C and met for as many years

682
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: as I've been coming here, or certainly as long as

683
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium has been standing, and every day I

684
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: drive in and I look at it. I just really

685
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: love the look of the facility. I did for the

686
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: first time I saw it. You know, it's not a dome, um,

687
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a warehouse structure, you know, the

688
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: roof free tracks, um. And it's just it's just marvelously done.

689
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: It might be my favorite facility in the NFL. Okay,

690
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: strangely enough, people be shocked. I haven't been to that many,

691
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, like I might what every Sunday, I'm on

692
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: my couch trying to in ining every game I possibly

693
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: can on TV. You're right, it is beautiful. I mean

694
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: even just walking around the town and all the glass

695
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: in the front of it too. It's a really good,

696
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: cool environment. Yeah, there's a certain architectural architectural uh kind

697
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: of quality or fingering on this town where I don't

698
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: know what it is. And and and you know, I

699
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: don't want to say all the buildings look the same,

700
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: but all the buildings, uh professional corporate buildings or you know,

701
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: the restaurants whatever, to a degree, they all have this

702
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: kind of and I don't know what it is, this

703
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: this Indianapolis stone like quality about them, whether there's some

704
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: whether it's some points and not not that I'm any

705
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: expert in architectural design said not exactly my wheelhouse, Jared, right,

706
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: But it's just something about the town um that um

707
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very distinctive. And I I think

708
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: we talked about the chef. There's no better town in

709
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: America for a Final Four or a Super Bowl because

710
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: everything's right here. All the hotels down downtown, all the restaurants,

711
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: the grid here, it's a six block grid. Every it's

712
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: just one big rope it off and it's for three,

713
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: four or five days. It's a big party. It's just

714
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: a great atmosphere for both. Yeah, everything's flat, everything's walkable.

715
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: I mentioned yesterday we parked a jeep on one day.

716
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: We won't touch it again until Saturday, you know, I

717
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: mean everything's got a blister on my finger on my

718
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: foot actually from from walking. But we're just walking around

719
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: convention Center. You'll got it. Yeah, just going back and forth.

720
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: But it's all very accessible though. And I do agree

721
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: with you how the town looks too. It's not this

722
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: building here. This one doesn't look like this one. They

723
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: all kind of drive together pretty. It's a cool environment.

724
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: They all miss pretty well, you know. Uh, in the

725
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: next hour, we're gonna talk with the Jeremy Feller of ESPN.

726
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: He's going to join us at the top of the hour.

727
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: Jeremy for several years covered the Steelers for ESPN, so

728
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: he spent a lot of time in Pittsburgh. Now he's

729
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: now with the ESPN National. He's so two rooms downs,

730
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: yeah right, yea, yeah, he's up in Connecticut now. But

731
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: Jeremy is a good dude. He's going to join us

732
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: at the top of the hour. And one of the

733
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: things I want to talk about with him. Uh, matt

734
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: and I saw um several which is yesterday, heard him

735
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: talking about this because of one you know, let's face it,

736
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: it is a copycat leag But what the Rams have

737
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: done trading away number one picks. They don't have another

738
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: one till they haven't had one for several years. But

739
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: the last first round pick was Jared Gonne, I know,

740
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: I know, and they traded him the big trade for

741
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. Um you said, you know, bringing in Jalen Ramsey.

742
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: Now they drafted Aaron Donald. Um. But the moves that

743
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: they made, you know, bringing in von Miller, Um, their

744
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: philosophy was we're gonna go get established players now, guys

745
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: that we think can help us win, and they want

746
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: and there will be teams, especially I think with quarterbacks UM,

747
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: who will think, Okay, you know, we have to make

748
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: that move, try to make that trade. Maybe we have

749
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: to give up to first round, maybe we have to

750
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: give up three, just swap one and give away to UM.

751
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see a little bit more of

752
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: that this year. Yeah, it's one of my favorite subjects,

753
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, So stop me if I

754
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: get long here. What they do is very unique, and

755
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: first of all, I think a lot of it is

756
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: the town that they play in. They kind of want

757
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: to be the showtime Lakers. You know, they need Aaron

758
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: Donald on the because they're not the number one game

759
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: in town, right, you know. And they don't want to

760
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: just a bunch of pretty good players. I think they

761
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: want star quality. But by doing that, as you mentioned,

762
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna go unprecedented number of years picked. Jared Goff

763
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: was drafted a long time ago. He was and they're

764
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: not picking one this year either. And they gave way

765
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: seconds and thirds for von Miller. And but it's really

766
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: interesting to me about the whole process is they're so

767
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: smart in that they still make a lot of draft picks.

768
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: So they let a lot of guards and safety's and

769
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: non essential positions in their opinion, leaving free agents, and

770
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: they get tons of compics in return. So even though

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00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: they don't have top picks, they still make eight or

772
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: nine picks again a year, and they throw a bunch

773
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: of stuff at a fan and if a third fourth

774
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: round pick Cooper couples the third round pick hits, they're set.

775
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: And so they have a lot of cheap talent non

776
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: essential positions guard, center, safety, linebacker. Because they have so

777
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: much star power. It's a real balancing act, but it's

778
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: very impressive. You know, you look at guys like Cooper Cup.

779
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: You look at the Adam Thiley in Minnesota. Uh, you know,

780
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: the obviously not the types of receivers that we see

781
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: taken in the first round of of NFL drafts, um,

782
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: but man, are they productor and Cooper Cup is he's

783
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: just incredible what he's been able to do this year.

784
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: That final drop, uh in the Super Bowl was really impressive.

785
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: When now shame on the Bengals for playing zone first

786
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: point right, but nonetheless they you you know he's going

787
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: to get the ball. You know, Matthew Stafford's gonna target him.

788
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: And yet even like on the touchdown catch. But you know,

789
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: his moves, his running, his speed, his toughness. I mean,

790
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, you're seeing those guys become a little more valued.

791
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: And after what he uh this year with the with

792
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: the triple Crown of receiving man oh Man, you know,

793
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: I think he's going to to um bring a little

794
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: bit more attention in the draft to those types of

795
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: the separators, the route runners. And we had just had

796
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: a good conversation a couple minutes ago about how wide

797
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: receivers are coming the league immediately an impact in the game.

798
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: And Jamaar Chase is the best people I can't even

799
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: think of, and frankly, he's the best when you go

800
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: back to a year before, justin Jefferson, there's a number

801
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: of guys who are coming in there and and anyone

802
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: in this room could scout Jamar Chase be like, that's

803
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: pretty special player. That doesn't take great, great talent, But

804
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: if you look, some mistakes are made in wide receiver

805
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: scouting the last five years or so with the first rounders,

806
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: the guys that blaze great forties. Uh, you know we're

807
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna take him high. You know, Bengals took Ross a

808
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: couple of years ago ninth overall, it didn't deserve pick

809
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: at all because of speed. Because of speed, but really

810
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: speeds in the aspect of receivers scouting and and as

811
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: a result, some of the absolute best receivers in the

812
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: league or second and third round picks. And I think

813
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: the Steelers know that better than anyone, you know, not

814
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't use a first rounder on a receiver,

815
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: but it's so deep and you know, Michael Thomas, Davante Adams,

816
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: you can go on and on. Cup. Like we mentioned,

817
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: some of the best guys aren't super early picks when

818
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: you look. Of course, nobody would ever team an end.

819
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: Tonio Brown would have been a sixth saying about Tom

820
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: Brady and Antonio Brown didn't have a sprinters for speed.

821
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: But what Antonio Brown had that he worked on and

822
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: developed was his ability to separate, which made him the

823
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: best receiver in the league. And so it's it's your

824
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: route running and your ability to breaks that separate these

825
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: guys who get open. Now, you gotta make sure you

826
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: have the quarterback who can put it in there. But

827
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: but you know, Antonio Brown, speed's never open anybody's eyes. Um,

828
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: But you know, it's those other things that that made

829
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: him at the time the best receiver in the league,

830
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: certainly the most productive. I think separation is the number one.

831
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: That sounds very obvious, But how do you go about

832
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: getting that separation? Like the the USC kid this year,

833
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: Drake London, he's six four or six five to ten

834
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 1: to fifteen. It seems to be better than Michael Pittman. See,

835
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: that's my concern with London though all his catches, somebody's

836
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: on his hip, you know, like he boxes him out

837
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: and he's got this great hey ends, but the corners

838
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: are gonna be a little taller, a little faster, much

839
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: more skilled. You know, if you're not getting consistent separation

840
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: even though you're highly productive, scares me a little. That's

841
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: what's happening with Chase Claypole. Doesn't separate. When do you

842
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: see him open right right other than you know, the

843
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: quick four yards slant or if they're laying off them.

844
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: But beyond that, that's what he doesn't do. And so

845
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: I think that that that I'm not saying it's underappreciated.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is by NFL scouts. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: overestimate some of the other things like speed that you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: but it's one of the questions that the ant developed.

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Speaker 1: It's allowed him to be as productive despite all his drops.

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Speaker 1: He's not Antonio Brown. He is the one receiver on

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Speaker 1: the Steeler team who gained separation. I think he's one

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Speaker 1: of the better separators in Everyone kills him for his

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Speaker 1: hands and his drops. I think that gets a little overblown,

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Speaker 1: so do I. When you're target lot, you're gonna drop passes,

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Speaker 1: and when you throw the ball, you're gonna get intercepted.

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Speaker 1: Phil Sims told me that years ago. He's not worried

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Speaker 1: who can put the ball in the end zone. He

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Speaker 1: goes when you're throwing a lot of quarterbacks that would

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Speaker 1: be intercepted. He said, it's overrated. Yeah. I mean, two

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Speaker 1: or three receivers in the league get more targets per

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Speaker 1: game than Deonte because he's earned them, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, because he gets open and frankly, they Wes Welker,

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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman, they were always at the top of the

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a different, different kind of cats. And

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Speaker 1: they got a safety closing in on Parners are bumping

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Speaker 1: them out of bounds, you know. I mean it's a

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Speaker 1: big deal. And you know lately with the Steeler shot

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Speaker 1: passing game, Johnson is doing a lot of those type

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Speaker 1: of things to contested catches and the danger zone. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: a couple, uh, the guy from a high state, Cristal

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Speaker 1: not the not the six three guys. Uh, they're smaller

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Speaker 1: in size but very fast. Johan Dotson maybe the best

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Speaker 1: hands and it's apple see. Yeah, we'll see where they go,

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Speaker 1: uh in the draft. When we in our hour to

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, we'll join us, Matt and I

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Speaker 1: will be with you until noon and then we will

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Speaker 1: turn it over to West Euler Dale Lawley and Max Starks.

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Speaker 1: At that time they will take you up until two pm.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We're gonna come back with

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Speaker 1: more of our NFL Combine coverage. Just present my first

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Speaker 1: national bank. Let's get started. Remember f D I see

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Speaker 1: Jerry Duack along with Matt Williamson at the Indiana Convention Center.

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