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Speaker 1: It's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe

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Speaker 1: with Lamar Rings and rating Winn and Jonas Knox on Radio.

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Speaker 2: What Up Sticks? Good morning? Oh man, good morning? You

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Speaker 2: got that gas going early? I got up, bro, Like

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Speaker 2: yesterday was like I couldn't get my uh what you

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Speaker 2: got in the oh yeah, Celsius, ye nits yeah, bruh.

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Speaker 2: I was feeling a certain type of way yesterday. I

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Speaker 2: sleep pattern change right like you got we got used

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Speaker 2: the show, I just felt like really really like in

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, I got to approach today a

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Speaker 2: bouncing around right now. And Celsius will have you on

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Speaker 2: some like like let's go because you got I'm on

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Speaker 2: some like let's go right now, like let's fing go, man, Hey,

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Speaker 2: what do they call it? A? Well? Then I didn't

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Speaker 2: want to go down that. Yeah, I don't even want

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Speaker 3: That joke will be told later, but nonetheless early we

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Speaker 3: are off and running here on this Thursday morning too.

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Speaker 2: We've got a fun.

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Speaker 3: Little follow up on a story that we talked about

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Speaker 3: last week here. So, the NFLPA filed an appeal of

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Speaker 3: a ruling by arbitrator Christopher Droni that there was sufficient

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Speaker 3: evidence of collusion by owners in contract negotiations with quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: following the fully guaranteed contract given to Deshaun Watson. Well,

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Speaker 3: of course they should appeal that, especially if there was

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Speaker 3: at least encouraged donors to try and ensure that there

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be fully guaranteed contracts handed out to quarterbacks following

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Speaker 3: the Deshaun Watson contract.

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Speaker 2: Of course they should.

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Speaker 3: Do that, and there did seem to be some evidence

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Speaker 3: when the findings came out. The problem is this should

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Speaker 3: and the only reason the NFLPA is appealing it now

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Speaker 3: is to save face because Pavlo Torre got ahold of

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Speaker 3: the transcripts.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the NFL and senior leaders of the NFL

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Speaker 3: Players Association, and this was found and released on ESPN yesterday.

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Speaker 3: They found that the NFL Players Association struck what they're

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Speaker 3: an arbitration decision from players, including a finding that league

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Speaker 3: executives had urged team owners to reduce guaranteed player compensation,

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Speaker 3: multiple sources told esp and in fact, also from ESPN,

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Speaker 3: some players told them that they were surprised by details

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Speaker 3: the NFLPA, upon seeing the transcripts from all this, and

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Speaker 3: at it, going wait, so you guys knew all this,

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Speaker 3: We had evidence of all this. This should have been

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Speaker 3: like Peter Ginsberg, who's represented many NFL players for decades.

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Speaker 3: He said he was stunned to hear about the confidentiality agreement.

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Speaker 3: He said, quote as the head of the union, and

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Speaker 3: by agreeing to a confidentiality agreement, the union purposely blocked

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Speaker 2: So it's almost like they're all in it together. But

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Speaker 3: And and the fact that they're getting aggressive with it

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Speaker 2: This ruling came out in January.

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Speaker 3: You had you had months, You had months to try

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Speaker 2: Just that's called espionage. I mean, there's all kas of

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Speaker 2: it's big business. There's big business here. The owners stand

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Speaker 2: we've heard Q say, listen, you do a fully guaranteed contract.

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Speaker 2: That contract apparently has to be placed in escrow. You

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Speaker 2: What if we're talking about these types of deals, they're

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Speaker 3: If I'm a player, I'm pissed. I'm looking at this

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Speaker 2: So you're being let down. You're not. You are being

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Speaker 2: You are the commodity that makes all of this work,

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Speaker 2: Like shouldn't you be on our side?

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Speaker 3: That would be my thought as a player, I'd be like,

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Speaker 3: is something we should have appealed, and you're conspiring with

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Speaker 2: I'm pissed. I'm looking around like it. As a former.

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Speaker 2: So what was going on back then? If I'm being honest,

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Speaker 2: I want to know what you're doing with my brand, Brett.

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Speaker 2: You could be I don't know what your markets are

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Speaker 2: I don't really know what you've done other than jersey

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Speaker 2: like it's really about. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: Demorris Smith, what is his representation to the football community?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, if you don't understand

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Speaker 3: So we were making the point last week when Demorris

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Speaker 3: How about the fact that they're bringing back the old

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Speaker 4: Terry's a dear friend. He's just a great young man,

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00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: a great leader.

435
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 2: You know.

436
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: You talk about intangibles. His intangibles and his value to

437
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 4: this football team are even more outweighed, should say than

438
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 4: his talent, which we know is extreme. He needs to

439
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 4: be paid. He needs to be paid right away. We

440
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 4: need to put this issue behind us as a football team.

441
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 4: He is one of the leaders and he's a guy

442
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 4: that you can always count on.

443
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: Now I agree with him about uh, Terry Macklin. I

444
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: think that Terry Macklin is an amazing football player, an

445
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: amazing person and should be compensated. I think he's a

446
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: major part of jayde and Daniel's success. So they got

447
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: to make sure they get Macklin's signed. Terry Macklin, Yeah,

448
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: I mean you didn't catch it though, did you catch it?

449
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: I did, just now, Yes, what I do? Did Macklin

450
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: look at your rundown? Oh, look at your rundown? Oh Jesus,

451
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: And you asked and you asked him earlier you asked

452
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: him earlier, did he have a knight? It was like,

453
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: there's no way.

454
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: LeVar thinks his last name is Macklin. No, Levart doesn't,

455
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 3: Lee does apparently based on the rundown and just Macklin

456
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: not not his first name, just Macklin whatever. I don't

457
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 3: think he's played in quite some time. Isn't that the

458
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: receiver from Missouri? He went to the Eagles and oh

459
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: Jeremy mack Yeah, I remember him. Yeah, he was part

460
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: of that. It was him and DeShawn Jackson. Yeah, yeah,

461
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 3: they were all part of the the same team back then.

462
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

463
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 4: No.

464
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 2: On a more serious note, I do agree with what

465
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: Thaisman is saying now. I think that unless unless you

466
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: were to pull off, which would be I don't know,

467
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: it would rank up there as one of the highest

468
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: like profile trades to take place. Unless there's that that

469
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: rumor of TJ. Watt a swap out for TJ. Watt

470
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: and Terry McLaurin, which I think would be a win

471
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: win for both of them. I don't think that it

472
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: would be a slight if I'm Terry McLaurin, if I

473
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: get the opportunity to go to Pittsburgh and play you

474
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: would become the easily the number two receiver there and

475
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: and maybe even challenge to be number one, and that

476
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: that would be a tremendous And now you're talking about

477
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: there are no excuses for Pittsburgh and Aaron Rodgers and

478
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: I have a good year outside of maybe their backfield.

479
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: But and then if the Washington Commanders were able to

480
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: add a talent like TJ. Watt, it would make them

481
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: one of the most formidable defensive fronts in all of football.

482
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: So it would be a win win Outside of a

483
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: scenario like that, I can't see why you would mess

484
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: around with this situation, agreed, And so you gotta go ahead,

485
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: and you gotta You're getting closer and closer to training camp.

486
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: I mean we're in July. You know, maybe you give

487
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: it a week or two. I don't know, But you

488
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: don't want this to be a holdout scenario. You got

489
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: too much great will, good will built up from last

490
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: season with the transition to the Harris ownership group. You

491
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: have a guy in Jane Daniels who can carry the

492
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: load as the anchor, star franchise quarterback going into his

493
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: sophomore season. You don't want to do anything to lose

494
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: that momentum. It's like that water primer, you know, getting

495
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: the water out of the well. You've primed it and

496
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: you've primed it, and you've primed it, and they've done

497
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: a great job of getting the water to come out

498
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: of you know, with the pump, you don't want to

499
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: stop pumping because if you stop pumping, then the water

500
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: starts coming out, then you got to start the process

501
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: all over again. Washington is in a good position. Don't

502
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: lose your momentum. Sign Terry McLaurin.

503
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: It just and that's the part that doesn't add up

504
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: to me, and it's why I think they're gonna get

505
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: a deal done. It's also why I think ultimately Pittsburgh's

506
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: going to get a deal done with TJ. Watt because

507
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: based on the direction of the organization, the plan of

508
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: the organization, this would be.

509
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: The opposite of that.

510
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: Washington has tried to stabilize the organization, set the foundation,

511
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: get first, you know, get new ownership in the restore

512
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: the faith and the fan base put together and build

513
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: a roster and sort of get this thing going from

514
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: the ground up. And the guy who who's been there

515
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: during the dark days of Washington when all that stuff

516
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: was happening is Terry McLaurin, and he's sort of the

517
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: the leader of the locker room, the veteran presence of

518
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: the locker room. To make all of this progress as

519
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: an organization only to not maintain Terry McLaurin just wouldn't

520
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: make any sense to me.

521
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: It almost seems.

522
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: Counter to everything that they've tried to build there over

523
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: the past several years.

524
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: It wouldn't make sense for the simple fact that you're

525
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: also talking about what are you what is your recourse

526
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: if you don't sign if you don't sign them back?

527
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: Like who are you using? Who are you using? And

528
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: that would be my biggest question is how do you

529
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: determine what direction you're going to go in? Like I

530
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: just find it to be curious that if you're if

531
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: you're intending to not pay two Mary McLaurin what he wants,

532
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: how are you looking at it? Are you viewing it

533
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: as the closer we get this is a game of chicken.

534
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: He's going to break break down and he's going, you

535
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: know him and his representation are going to do the deal.

536
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: Or are you looking at it like we're okay with

537
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: moving on from you know what we got going on.

538
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: It's interesting if you go to their depth chart on

539
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: ESPN or even to their site, it doesn't have any

540
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: skill positions outside of the quarterback listed on the depth chart,

541
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: which means they're fully aware. You gotta believe that you

542
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: can get a hold of depth charts pretty easily. They're

543
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: fully aware of what the situation is at the receiver's position.

544
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: They don't want people looking at their depth chart. So

545
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: it's either they got something in the wings that they

546
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 2: feel really good about and maybe they feel like they

547
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: can get a better value at the position and not

548
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: have to give Terry McLaurin that contract that he's seeking,

549
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: or you don't have anything at all, but it's still

550
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: a negotiation and you got to figure out how you

551
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: can get him at the best price that you can

552
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: get him for. And you gotta hold things close to

553
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: the vest till you get it done, or you're looking

554
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: at it as do we have enough value to move

555
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: them and bring in another another edition that's just as valued.

556
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: And again I gave you guys that that scenario of

557
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: how that could possibly play out, But keep in mind

558
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: the idea of that type of a trade taking place.

559
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: TJ Watt's gonna come in and he's gonna want to

560
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: get paid. Terry Mclaurin's gonna come into Pittsburgh and he's

561
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: gonna want to get paid. So why not just pay

562
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 2: what you have? Yeah? Why don't you pay for who

563
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: you have? And and Pittsburgh, of all teams, should be

564
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: the one that's thinking that way right now today.

565
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: Like Pittsburgh walking away or dealing TJ. Watt just it

566
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: just doesn't make any sense based on the moves that

567
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: they've made. Like every Pittsburgh's basically told everybody.

568
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you'd be able to justify it by

569
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: bringing in another weapon of the Caliberry McLaurin.

570
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: No, No, I'd rather have TJ.

571
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: Watt.

572
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: Terry mclaurin's a fine player that that's awesome, But I

573
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: feel like you need the anchor, you need the guy

574
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: on defense, and I'll take TJ. Watt Like I know

575
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: that that would load up the Steeler offense, but I

576
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: think you would lose too much defensively if you want from.

577
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that sentiment at all, but I

578
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: will say, if I'm going all in, and I'm saying

579
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: this is a one year, I'm putting all my chips

580
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: in the center of the table. I'm loading up the offense,

581
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: sticks picks, just saying I'm loading up to offense. And

582
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel any certain type of way about it. Wow.

583
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: And even if it was TJ.

584
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: Watt boy really really selling out the defensive side of

585
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: the ball, Huh, why has it got to be that?

586
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: Damn? I'm just saying, it's an offensive driven league. Pittsburgh

587
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: needs offense. They're going in on a legendary quarterback to

588
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: get one season out of them. Why would you not

589
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: load up? Why would you load up the skill players

590
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the ball. That's all I'm sad,

591
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: especially if you don't feel as though you can get

592
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 2: close enough to one another with what the you know,

593
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: what each side wants.

594
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: To have, you know, so you know, it's so disturbing

595
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: about this. Oh punk Satani LaVar Arrington grows up in Pittsburgh.

596
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: It's all about defense, baby, he loves the defense.

597
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: He loves Greg Lloyd, Levon, Kirkland, Carnel Lake, Rod Woodson,

598
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: Kevin Green, all those Pittsburgh Steelers defensive players.

599
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: Cheezel goes on.

600
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, to have one of the most illustrious college football

601
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: careers in the state of Pennsylvania on the defensive side.

602
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: Of the ball.

603
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: And then years later at four fifteen local time, here

604
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: on a Thursday morning in July.

605
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: Eight fifteen in Pittsburgh, maybe.

606
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: City seven fifteen, but three hours ahead seven fifteen.

607
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: Listen, thank you, Batman city would look for it to

608
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: be fifteen.

609
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: Sitting here, we'd be closer to don He's sitting here

610
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 3: next to a vampire in an Italia.

611
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: J yeah, shirt, yeah, stay. Didn't see the stay and

612
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: wasn't looking for that. And you're and you're sitting here

613
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: telling us down way too far on the coat.

614
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 3: You're sitting here telling us it's right there. You're sitting

615
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: there telling us, you know what, forget about all that.

616
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: Let's bring in more offense at the defense. F my roots,

617
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: forget the Pittsburgh Steeler defensive legacy. None of that matters.

618
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: Let's go more offense. That's a damn disgrace.

619
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I'm with you on that. I'm one

620
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: hundred percent with you, just so you know, I mean,

621
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: load up the defense, make sure they got a dope defense.

622
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: Get some some characters, some names on the defense side

623
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: of the ball. I'm all about it. Keep TJ wide,

624
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm all about it. But I'm just saying, why would

625
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: it not be Why would it not be justifiable? If

626
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: you're saying this is an all in year, putting it

627
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: all in, all on the line, right, I'm putting it

628
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: all on the line. I'm not saving anything for any

629
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: other season. It's all on the line for this season.

630
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: And I could add another weapon like that to the

631
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: arsenal of weapons that you've already tried to put and

632
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: play like if they still had pickings. It's not even

633
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: it's not even a question. I think the fact that

634
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: they traded out, they traded out, they swapped out receivers,

635
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: leaves the door wide open for the conversation of you

636
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: still don't have enough weapons for Aaron Rodgers to overcome

637
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: defense schemes in national football?

638
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: Do you if they send like Jordy Nelson or Alan

639
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: Lazard are available, like, let's just go that direct, good Jordy?

640
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: Why not?

641
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: You know? All I know is you hyped it about

642
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 2: the defense. But if if I'm going all in and

643
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: my job is on the line or things are on

644
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: the line for what we're going to do for this

645
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 2: one season, why would you not give him another receiver

646
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: on the other side of the ball. I mean, that's

647
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: what they did for Dak Prescott. Like it's one thing.

648
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: If you got rid of a player, bring in another player,

649
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 2: and your your addition, you're you're adding to it. You

650
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Speaker 2: did not add to what you're doing in Pittsburgh. You

651
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: did not. You just replaced. You did not upgrade. You

652
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: bring in Terry McLaurin. You can definitively say you've upgraded

653
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: your offense, and you've upgraded in a way where now

654
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: John news Smith and Pat Fryarmouth at at tight end,

655
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: you got depth at tight end, and now you have

656
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: a one to two punch where either one of those

657
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: guys can play a one receiver position. Like you don't

658
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: even have to say one to two on a receiving

659
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: cord that would have Terry McLaurin and DK metcalf. It

660
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: just makes all the sense in the world if you

661
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: were going to do it, if you're going to be

662
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 2: forced to spend the money, I'm gonna spend that money

663
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Speaker 2: knowing that my job is on the line, and we're

664
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Speaker 2: putting all our cards and our chips in the front.

665
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Speaker 2: And then today I'm showing my hand, put my chips in.

666
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: I'm showing my hand. Here's what we're going to do.

667
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't that make any Sense's that's how I see it. Yeah,

668
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: but that would be the only way that I don't

669
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: get a deal done with Scary Terry, And that'd be

670
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Speaker 2: the only way I don't get a deal done with TJ.

671
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: Watt is if I had the ability to be able

672
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: to swap out and add that type of value to

673
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Speaker 2: each each scenario. It's all about the money.

674
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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

675
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676
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677
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Speaker 3: By the way, can I tell you something. My son's

678
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: a bit of an a hole. So he's four years

679
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: old and he we played baseball literally every day. He's obsessed.

680
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: All he wants to do all day longest play baseball.

681
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: He wakes up, he gets into full uniform every single day,

682
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: and then we go out, we play ball, and then

683
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Speaker 3: we get back.

684
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Speaker 2: He rests for a little while and then he just

685
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Speaker 2: wants to.

686
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 3: Feel ground balls in the house. And then my wife

687
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: gets pissed because he knocks stuff off the shelves or

688
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: the ball goes side with like it's just you know,

689
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Speaker 3: he's obsessed.

690
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Speaker 2: But you know he's four years old.

691
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Speaker 3: So when I pitch to him, I'm pitching underhand, like

692
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm just tossing him the ball

693
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: so he can hit it, so he can get his

694
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Speaker 3: swings in. And then yesterday we get back and he goes,

695
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: you're not a very good pitcher. I'm like, oh yeah,

696
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: why is that? He goes, I hit bombs off you.

697
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 3: I'm like bombs, Like what am I supposed to do?

698
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: Throw him splitters, like go off speed like I'm serving it.

699
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you know that's not very nice, budd.

700
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, I'm better than you. I'm like, okay,

701
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: so now.

702
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Speaker 2: Today, yeah, oh yeah, he's getting it on. Give it

703
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 2: to him full.

704
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Speaker 3: Arsenal, give it to him, sladders, sniders, sinkers, I'll throw them,

705
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: a circle change, I'll throw I'm gonna brush him back

706
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 3: at least two three times.

707
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Speaker 2: Got hitting one time? Yeah, let him get uncomfortable.

708
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, like like me, like, this is batting practice,

709
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: all right. This is like the home run derby, which

710
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: is gonna be on Monday like this is I'm serving

711
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: these up to you so you can perform at a

712
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Speaker 3: high level. And then he throws me under the bus

713
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Speaker 3: afterwards and calls me out for it, So now he's

714
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Speaker 3: gonna get it.

715
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Speaker 2: Good for Drew for that, Yeah, bad for you for

716
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: thinking that he can handle your your heat and uh,

717
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: let's see how it all plays out. Like you were

718
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: giving him the underhand, he was he knocking bombs off.

719
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Speaker 2: You got to do this though here. You got to

720
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Speaker 2: find the healthy balance between the reality of him needing

721
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Speaker 2: to get better and understanding the process, and the gassing

722
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Speaker 2: him up and making him think and believe that he's

723
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Speaker 2: the greatest of all time. You have to find the

724
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Speaker 2: balance of it. And I tend to lean towards going

725
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Speaker 2: towards gassing them up into believing that they're the greatest

726
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Speaker 2: of all time, because I feel like if you make

727
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Speaker 2: them believers, I ultimately believe that the mind is such

728
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Speaker 2: a powerful tool that you will ultimately become what it

729
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Speaker 2: is that you believe you're going to become. So gass

730
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Speaker 2: him up, but you got to knock him down sometimes though,

731
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Speaker 2: so that he understands the reality of saying you're the best, Like,

732
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Speaker 2: you're not even better than me right now, So you

733
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: got to keep working serves as a tool to make

734
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Speaker 2: them continue to work harder so that they can be better.

735
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm definitely going to gas them up and make

736
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Speaker 3: him feel good about things. Right after he catches ninety

737
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Speaker 3: five in the rib there you go, right after.

738
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Speaker 2: That, Well, then then he's going to cry, he's going

739
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 2: to get the bruise. He's going to remember that moment

740
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Speaker 2: because that experience will represent a vulnerable moment for him.

741
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Speaker 2: And and and it's like a pivotal moment, like and

742
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: then that's where you come in and you got to

743
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Speaker 2: be the dad. And then you be like, you know

744
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: it hurt, didn't it. You know, you gotta be like

745
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: the rafiki. You know it's like, but it's in the past, Like,

746
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: but it still hurts. Yeah, it still hurts, but it's

747
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: in the past. But you can make things better.

748
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell them, like, listen, I know that that hurt,

749
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Speaker 3: but it doesn't hurt worse than having three layers of

750
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Speaker 3: sunblock on only to be told that you suck at

751
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Speaker 3: baseball afterwards because you're trying to help your kid out.

752
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Speaker 2: That it sounds like a youth thing right there. It

753
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Speaker 2: sounds like you made it about you, you.

754
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Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, that's what it sounds. Yeah, Well, one's going

755
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: to get away from me today and then we're going

756
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: to find out who sucks at baseball. That's what I

757
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 3: That's what I think is gonna happen. By the way, everybody,

758
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: it is Jonas Knox here at the home depot. It

759
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 3: is about time for pros to source the whole job

760
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: with one partner. Ask about all we can do for

761
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: you at the pro desk to the home depot pro.

762
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: It's about time.

763
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Speaker 3: So I was thinking about this because we were talking

764
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Speaker 3: earlier in the show about Michael Pennix Junior telling Michael

765
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Speaker 3: Vick that the success, the mark for success for the

766
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Speaker 3: Atlanta Falcons this year is to go to the playoffs.

767
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: And then you look at that division, you go, well,

768
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Speaker 3: you know they've probably been to the playoffs pretty recently. No, no,

769
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Speaker 3: absolutely not. It's been twenty seventeen since the Falcons have

770
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Speaker 3: been to the postseason. And I was thinking about this

771
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: with the season coming up, I have no idea who

772
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 3: I think is going to win the NFC because you

773
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: could go chalk and you could just say Philly, which

774
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: would be a safe bet. But if I don't want

775
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: to go Chalk, who else is there? Like I almost

776
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: was talking myself into the Cowboys again, and I thought, no,

777
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: that's not going to happen. Like it's the Cowboys and

778
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 3: there's no way that's going to happen. But you start

779
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: looking around the NFC and you go, all right, so

780
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: who are the real contenders? And you would think, well, Detroit,

781
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: you know, maybe they could take a next step. Lost

782
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: both their coordinators.

783
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Speaker 2: That's a major question.

784
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: And no team in NFL history has lost both coordinators

785
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 3: and gone to the Super Bowl the next year. You

786
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: start looking at Minnesota question mark with JJ McCarthy, the

787
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Speaker 3: Packers not.

788
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Speaker 2: I mean you can have positive, you know, positive feedback

789
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: on that. You can you can feel good that they'll

790
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: be competitive this year. That'd be in the mix. I

791
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: mean you would think, you would think, and then you

792
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: start looking around. You go the Niners.

793
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: But it's like, well, question, if we believe the Niners

794
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: window closed last year and now they're having to pay

795
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: Rock Party, which they weren't having to do before, is

796
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: this a bounce back even though they've got a really

797
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 3: favorable schedule. And I'm looking around going question marks. Maybe

798
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 3: it's the Rams, like, yes, that would be if it

799
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: would be one to go with, if you're not going

800
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: to go chalk with Philly. Maybe the Rams are the

801
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: team that you look at and go super Bowl pedigree

802
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: come back. You know they've drafted well, DeVonta Adams is there,

803
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: They've added pieces. Maybe the Rams are a team you

804
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: look at and go, all right, that's the team that's

805
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: going to be representing the NFC. If not Shock, if

806
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 3: you don't want to go boring and go Philly, I'm

807
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: struggling to find who I buy into.

808
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 2: In the NFC this year. Again, I think the NFC East,

809
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to continue to say it, the NFC East

810
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: is going to be crazy this year. You're going to

811
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: have potentially for really good teams, for competitive teams. I

812
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: think the New York Giants are going to take a

813
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: definitive step forward. They're going to be better. I think

814
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: Dallas is going to take a definitive step forward. They're

815
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: going to be better. I think the Eagles will continue

816
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: to be the Eagles. I look at this Washington Commander's

817
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: team and I think that they should be viewed as

818
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: the the one A or one B to the Eagles

819
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: being the one A. And that's because I saw a

820
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: team continue to improve. If you think about it, the

821
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: only real drop off you saw in play with the

822
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: Commanders last year is when he sustained the rib injuries.

823
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: When Jaydon Daniels sustained the rib injury, that was when

824
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: things got a little weird. So as long as Jaydon

825
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: Daniels is healthy, his understanding of the game is so

826
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: far ahead right now. His learning curve was so small

827
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: and he closed it down very quickly as a rookie.

828
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Speaker 2: It would be I think it would be a safe

829
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: bet to think that he's going to even be head

830
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: and shoulders better than what he was his rookie season.

831
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Speaker 2: And listen, I look at the Commanders. I think that

832
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: the Commanders, and I think that the NFC East because

833
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: for some strange reason, I think Rusk got I think

834
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: he's got magic in him maybe one more time. And

835
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 2: I really I'm really putting the pressure on the defense

836
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: to be what they need to be and and them

837
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: being able to get things done offensively with Russell Wilson.

838
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: If that doesn't work out, then you can put a

839
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: put a fork in the New York Giants and thinking

840
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: they're a dark horse. But there's another team, and they're

841
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: on the television right now. There's another team out there

842
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: that you got to say, there's a possibility that they

843
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 2: can improve to a level where they're competitive. Now again,

844
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: I think Detroit is vulnerable in the North because they

845
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: don't have their Their coordinators will have to see if

846
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: they're still the same team. Without that, you lose the

847
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: successful offensive coordinator to that dark horse team in the

848
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: same division, which is Ben Johnson to the Chicago Bears.

849
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: You're you know, people have been been hard on on

850
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams about his fingernail paint and not liking girls

851
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: but like being focused on football. But in reality, he's

852
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: been a leader, he's been a stand up guy. He's delivered,

853
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: he's delivered stats.

854
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: Can you add a little bit more context to that story,

855
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: because I didn't see that. Well, so that was a

856
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: report that apparently he would not go out with girls

857
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 3: because he was too focused on football or something along

858
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: those lines.

859
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 2: I mean, and you know, so what good for him?

860
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: People be shaming these cats like that man was focused

861
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: on his career. You want to make it into a thing.

862
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: Jaydeon Daniels is always with his mom. They want to

863
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: make it into a thing. You're talking about two of

864
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: the more successful players stable, Like, you don't hear about

865
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: about them having crashouts. You don't hear nothing about either

866
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: one of them other than fingernail polished and not be

867
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: interested in girls because of his career, Like, so, what

868
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: good for them? But anyway back to what I was saying,

869
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: because of that focus that he has on being a really,

870
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: really good football player, there's the strong possibility that the

871
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears could be a team to contend with this year.

872
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: You know, a couple things go the right way last year,

873
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: they probably have a better year. People feel a lot

874
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: better about them. But I think that this could be

875
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: a year, especially with Ben Johnson and hearing the things

876
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: that you know, Caleb had to say about being a

877
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: rookie and some of the things that he had to

878
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: deal with, and they're not being a real structure or

879
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: real approach to what his learning curve was going to be.

880
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: It sounded like he was having to figure that stuff

881
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: out on his own. And if he figured it out

882
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: on his own to the capacity and the degree that

883
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: he did last season, that's pretty commendable.

884
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: The problem is it's the Bears, and the Bears much

885
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 3: like the Jets and some of these other bottom feeders

886
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: and dysfunction organizations in the NFL, that they're the type

887
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: of person that they would win the lottery and accidentally

888
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: wipe their ass with the ticketan like.

889
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: It's just.

890
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 3: You've heard it so many right there, that little staying

891
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: right there, that's a one under there. You just you've

892
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: seen it so many times, drafted, so many players done.

893
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: And but that goes to the overall point of the

894
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: NFC feels wide open. Give me your top three, one

895
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: two three, give me your one two two right now,

896
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: one two three, three teams in the NFC. I trust

897
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: the most one two three in order. Philly, yeap the Rams, Okay,

898
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: you gotta do it. Go ahead, I'm going to flip

899
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: flop them, but go ahead. I'll take Philly the Rams.

900
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: Your heart want you to say, Chicago, no, no, no, But

901
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be fighting Chicago. They could be a factor,

902
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: but they're not going to be a top three. I'm

903
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: torn between Detroit and San Francisco. Oh, like, I'm torn.

904
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: Like because look, the talent is still there for the Lions,

905
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: but I can't help.

906
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: But wonder.

907
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 3: Look, you lost an NFC title game you probably should

908
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: have won, and then last year in the playoffs they

909
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 3: were annihilated by Washington. I mean that game really wasn't close,

910
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: and they could have won it. They could have won it.

911
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: They were in position to win it out. I don't point,

912
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't think. I think that game was

913
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: over by halftime. They looked shook. And but San Francisco's

914
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: got that favorable schedule and they've they've got a lot

915
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 3: of talent. So I feel Philly the Rams, and then

916
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: it's either Detroit or San Francisco. Lockank tang Okan would

917
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 3: it who's your top three?

918
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: Well, undoubtedly Philadelphia is number one. Until they are not

919
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: number one, you gotta put the Commander second. Because to me,

920
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: the Commanders had a really really strong year. Like I said,

921
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 2: the only slow up they had was when when jayde

922
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: Daniels got that injury. I think they'll be a better

923
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: team this year than what they were last year. I

924
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: thought that they had a pretty solid off season. And

925
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: then my third team is clearly I believe it's the

926
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: Rams Sticks. Thanks, and so with that being said, I mean,

927
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 2: you got two NFC East teams that I would say

928
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: are going to be one and two. And then again

929
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: the showing that the Rams had, I'm just going off

930
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: of what I saw last, what you've done for me lately.

931
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: That was a team that could have beat the Eagles.

932
00:51:54,280 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: The Commanders seemingly could have beat the Eagles, but it

933
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: didn't seem as though they looked as good against the

934
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: Eagles as the Rams did. And that could change this year.

935
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: I think that maybe the you know, you had a

936
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,479
Speaker 2: first year head coach, you had a lot of things

937
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: up in the air in Washington. I just think that

938
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: there's going to be more stability, there's going to be

939
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: more familiarity, there's going to be more continuity, and they

940
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: get an opportunity to show that it wasn't a one

941
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: year situation, that this is a team that actually can

942
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: be good in the foreseeable future. I think that that's

943
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: where the Commanders are because again, I think everybody involved

944
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: in the organization understands what's at stake because of everything

945
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: that's taking place there. And then you look at that

946
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: that Rams team, they flew under the radar. They have

947
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 2: this young, young core group of guys on the defense.

948
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: They're going to get better, so you see them being

949
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: very competitive. The NFC West is not to me. I

950
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: don't think that the San Francisco forty nine ers are

951
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: going to be this crazy world beating tea. I do

952
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: think that their window has closed, and if it has closed,

953
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: then they're not as good as they're supposed to be.

954
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: I would say the biggest threat in the West two

955
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: this this this La RAMS team would be the Arizona Cardinals.

956
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: They're They're a dark horse team that could give teams

957
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: problems if you're not paying attention.

958
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 3: The AFC just feels so much easier to try and forecasts,

959
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 3: like you know, going into it, all right, Kansas City

960
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: is going to be legit, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cincinnati. You would

961
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: assume like you would assume with the talent they've got there.

962
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: It just there's a lot more knowns than unknowns in

963
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 3: the a f C. Give us your one through three

964
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: in the AFC, YEP, Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, easy, one

965
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: two three, that's what you're doing, one two three, That

966
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: actually one two locks.

967
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: Bamn one two three. In the AFC, I will go.

968
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: Baltimore, yeap, Kansas City, Buffalo knocks flocks.

969
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna flip flop two and three. I'm gonna go Baltimore, Buffalo,

970
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: Kansas City.

971
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: But pretty easy, right, Like, you don't have to think,

972
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: Like the NFC just feels like everything's white cent Philly

973
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 3: and the AFC.

974
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: You kind of know who the teams are. But the

975
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: interesting thing is is that the wind blows how hard

976
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: it's at the top of the flagpole. So there could

977
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: be a fourth, fifth team that ends up going all

978
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: the way because of all of the bullets that they

979
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: got to absorb at the top of the total poles.

980
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: Cincinnati, it could be Cincinnati. It could Yeah, it just

981
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: could be Cincinnati.

982
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: There's a lot of but there's a lot of teams

983
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: out there that it could be, right, Like, I'm curious

984
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: to see how good the La LA Chargers are going

985
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: to be this year. There's something about a hardball lad

986
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: team and going into the second year of his tenure there,

987
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: that's a team to watch. That's a team to watch

988
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: for this year because he's now gotten his running backs

989
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: room in and play, he's got his offensive line built up,

990
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 2: he's got his defense built up. It's going to be

991
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: interesting to see because he is going to run the ball,

992
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: but he has a dynamic passer in Herbert, and it'll

993
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: be interesting to see if Herbert can take that next step,

994
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: and I think he can under Harball