Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noel.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben.
Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission
Speaker 4: control decand most importantly, you are here.
Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 4: Heads up, this episode is not for the tripophobes in
Speaker 4: the crowd. We remember that meme, right, the fear of small,
Speaker 4: densely placed holes.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a weird texture, not gonna lie. Even looking
Speaker 3: at it as a non trip of phobe sufferer, it
Speaker 3: does creep me out a little bit that I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same, It's just it's a weird look literally, uh
Speaker 4: and speaking weird things. In an earlier Listener mail program,
Speaker 4: conspiracy realists, cool Guy Uh hipped us to a story
Speaker 4: of Mel's hole, which which Noel, you brought unlist have
Speaker 4: brought to the class, brought to the show, and we
Speaker 4: realized as we're exploring this that Earth is absolutely riddled
Speaker 4: with mysterious caverns, drops, minds, pits, boreholes, scientific experiments, and
Speaker 4: so on. So what do you say, should we dive.
Speaker 3: In to the holes? A few of them? Okay, then
Speaker 3: let's plunk it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here are the facts. The world is full of holes,
Speaker 4: and it's kind of weird that billions of people have
Speaker 4: lived on Earth for what we would consider a long time.
Speaker 3: Uh. And there are still so.
Speaker 4: Many partially or holy holy unexplored subterranean environments out there,
Speaker 4: Like we're still finding enormous caves.
Speaker 3: Remember that Disney movie Holes from the early two thousands.
Speaker 3: This is called Holes I never saw. It's described of
Speaker 3: Wikipedia as a neo Western comedy drama based on a
Speaker 3: novel by Lewis Soccer from nineteen ninety eight, starring Sigourney Weaver,
Speaker 3: Patricia Arquette, Shia Labouf, and John Voight. A couple problematic
Speaker 3: figures in this Disney children's Yeah, it's about mysterious holes.
Speaker 4: That's pre Cannibal Shia, right, sorry, pre cannibal controversy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he said some odd things to some lady friends. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's right. Yeah, this is when he was a cute, little,
Speaker 3: cute little Disney kid.
Speaker 4: That's right. Okay, the nineties. So you know what, I'll
Speaker 4: put that on the list to either read the book
Speaker 4: or watch the film because I had no idea that existed.
Speaker 4: That would have been Yeah, okay, well we know in
Speaker 4: real life, people just recently, just a few years ago,
Speaker 4: found a enormous cave in British Columbia up in Canada.
Speaker 3: No one had any.
Speaker 4: Idea, at least officially, that it existed until now, like
Speaker 4: throughout human history, and they it's so new it doesn't
Speaker 4: have an official name yet. Its street name is the
Speaker 4: Sarlac Pit like in Star Wars.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sweet, yeah, it's huge, right, it was hidden for a
Speaker 2: long time they discovered it, which is weird to think
Speaker 2: about that humans could still stumble upon something like that
Speaker 2: because it's huge.
Speaker 4: Right, it's egregiously so, I mean, we always say humans
Speaker 4: are good at losing things, but we should be a
Speaker 4: little better at finding stuff too. Right in the Wells
Speaker 4: Gray Provincial Park, this Sarlac Pit may run for as
Speaker 4: long as five clicks, so that would be a little
Speaker 4: over three miles. And they we humanity only found it
Speaker 4: by accident. They were not looking for a cave. In
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, there are these people have a really interesting job.
Speaker 4: They hop on helicopters and they count cariboo every year.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what's the official measurement of a click kilometer? Okay?
Speaker 3: I've always just used a click as a stand in
Speaker 3: for just a kind of amorphous unit of measure. Hey,
Speaker 3: can you turn that up? Two clicks?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay? Can warn something new every day? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like notchez or you don't remember when in corporate America
Speaker 4: everybody was saying dial it up or dial it back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of miss that that trend, at least
Speaker 3: I just to ignore it. Yeah, it's a weird win.
Speaker 2: But so these folks were looking for cariboo. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they found a giant hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well the caribou fell in likely that's where they
Speaker 3: were all drawn to the hole.
Speaker 4: It's a happy accident, Bob Ross's style, because if these
Speaker 4: folks have been counting caribou on foot, or if they've
Speaker 4: been searching it the wrong time of year, they would
Speaker 4: have missed it. The helicopter pilot Ken Lanquour was the
Speaker 4: guy who said, oh, that's weird. We should probably tell
Speaker 4: someone just in case, you know, it hasn't been discovered yet.
Speaker 4: Because this is again a very very remote part of
Speaker 4: the world. And the Sarlac name comes from a biologist
Speaker 4: who was on the on the bird looking at caribou.
Speaker 4: His name's Bevin Ernst. And then they went back and
Speaker 4: they did research and they've got aerial photography from as
Speaker 4: far back as nineteen forty nine. And what they said is,
Speaker 4: we would have never found this except for climate change.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it was covered in snow and it
Speaker 2: took that snow to melt at least sufficiently enough for
Speaker 2: somebody to notice the depression and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: hold on, maybe there's something below that snow.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a climate change silver lining guys, right.
Speaker 4: Think of all the new caves, think of all the
Speaker 4: new holes will discover.
Speaker 3: There are actually.
Speaker 2: Several holes that we're going to be talking about today
Speaker 2: that appear to be at least somewhat assisted by ye
Speaker 2: old climate change.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this one Starlac pit here is just one example,
Speaker 4: right of a larger trend we're going to see. The
Speaker 4: entrance to the cave is three hundred and twenty eight
Speaker 4: feet long by one hundred and ninety seven feet wide,
Speaker 4: and in the BBC they described that they compare the
Speaker 4: size to a football field or a soccer field. So again,
Speaker 4: just knowing how large or small the average human is,
Speaker 4: this seems like it'd be something difficult to miss for
Speaker 4: so long. I mean, thank goodness, they've found it in
Speaker 4: a helicopter, not by walking on snow and falling it.
Speaker 3: And you'd have to repel down the cave wall to
Speaker 3: get inside. That would be the first step of the spullunk.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, just so, I mean we also we know
Speaker 4: that they still are not sure how deep the thing
Speaker 4: actually goes because a river runs through it, and that
Speaker 4: river creates mist as it falls, so when they're trying
Speaker 4: to they've got a team of people who have gone
Speaker 4: in in twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, and they're still working
Speaker 4: on it. But what this shows us is the issues
Speaker 4: that we're all describing here. Some are in some of
Speaker 4: these apertures in Earth or the middle of nowhere. Some
Speaker 4: are at the bottom of the ocean. You can easily
Speaker 4: overlook all of them. A lot of times, the first
Speaker 4: person who finds a cave dies because they found it
Speaker 4: by accident.
Speaker 3: You know, the old trope of the explorer discovering the
Speaker 3: previous explorer's bones, you know, with the crumbled up map
Speaker 3: its skeletal fist, and.
Speaker 4: We're we're lucky to live very close comparatively to the
Speaker 4: largest known caverns system or the longest known cavern system
Speaker 4: in the world, Mammoth Cave in Kentucky. And people are
Speaker 4: still finding new tunnels in Mammoth Cave. We don't know
Speaker 4: where it goes, you know what I mean, Like Soromon said,
Speaker 4: we shouldn't delve too deeply.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but we do know that tuberculosis patients were
Speaker 2: kept in there, and that place is haunted.
Speaker 3: Yikes. Well with a name like the Sarlac Pit, I
Speaker 3: sure hope they didn't discover any of those cannibalistic humanoid
Speaker 3: underground dwellers. Well they like in the film Chud, but
Speaker 3: also like in the films The Descent, which I think
Speaker 3: the first one is excellent and if you want to
Speaker 3: the terrifying splunk into the unknown, watch The Descent. But
Speaker 3: speaking of cave systems that are functional in nearby US,
Speaker 3: have you guys ever been to a concert of the caverns.
Speaker 3: Everyone's just screaming about it. It's apparently wonderful. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was going to go to see God Speed You
Speaker 4: Black Emperor. Yeah, that would have it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Ken Gizzard played there as well. But it's
Speaker 3: like a legitimate of concert venue in an underground cave
Speaker 3: and it looks absolutely fantastic, just up the way in
Speaker 3: Tennessee to Tennessee in Grundy County.
Speaker 4: And that's just the beginning. So join us tonight we
Speaker 4: ask what are the world's weirdest, most mysterious holes. Spoiler
Speaker 4: there are a lot. This may end up being a
Speaker 4: two parter. Will need your help, folks. Here's where it
Speaker 4: gets crazy. The race to be the weirdest hole is
Speaker 4: a surprisingly robust competition. There are tons of these. We're
Speaker 4: going to find mores. Technology improves as climate change continues,
Speaker 4: as more people are searching with better and better equipment,
Speaker 4: and frankly, as more people start to encroach into environments
Speaker 4: that humans historically did not visit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you said at the top, I guess
Speaker 3: probably a good place to start in terms of mysterious
Speaker 3: bizarro hole related we should go to Mel's Hole. Ben,
Speaker 3: you put it here here, a quick and dirty recap
Speaker 3: of Mel's Hole. And I'm just gonna take this as
Speaker 3: an opportunity to to titter a little bit, and then
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a grown up from here on out.
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna laugh anymore when we refer to holes.
Speaker 3: I'm all about it. I want to let's get weird
Speaker 3: with it. Let's make this it's weird, whether or not
Speaker 3: I am an immature child. But Mel's Hole, man, we
Speaker 3: definitely kind of did a little not a deep, not
Speaker 3: a deep spelunk, a you know, a surface kind of
Speaker 3: exploration of Mel's hole. But according well, let's we'll kind
Speaker 3: of give you the basics here up front. According to
Speaker 3: a man identifying himself as Mel Waters in a series
Speaker 3: of calls to Coast to Coast beginning in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 3: Mel's hole was is a bottomless pit. Which is an
Speaker 3: interesting term, right, like the idea of a bottomless pit.
Speaker 3: You hear it in literature a lot, like, especially in
Speaker 3: like kind of fantasy fiction type stuff, the idea of
Speaker 3: a bottomless pit. It's hyperbole too, yeah, hyperboldy. It is right,
Speaker 3: or it's in some way magical because unless it goes
Speaker 3: out the other side of the damn planet and knows
Speaker 3: this thing as a bottomless pit.
Speaker 2: I was imagining the possibility of someone thinking they've discovered
Speaker 2: a bottomless pit by finding some kind of shaft that
Speaker 2: goes down sufficiently long enough and then curves gradually and
Speaker 2: slowly to where when you dropped something, you wouldn't get
Speaker 2: that satisfying plunk, You would get like a for a
Speaker 2: long time, and then just kind of as it scrapes
Speaker 2: along a wall rather than just impacting.
Speaker 4: And it could also you know, we know that because
Speaker 4: especially things are formed by natural processes, they're going to
Speaker 4: have variances in you know, how wide or narrow they are,
Speaker 4: so you could think you're at the bottom, but then
Speaker 4: technically there might be a smaller part of the you know,
Speaker 4: the floor surface that just keeps going might just be
Speaker 4: at the lip of something deeper.
Speaker 3: And this alleged bottomless pit is meant to exist somewhere
Speaker 3: along the Manustache Ridge near Ellensburg, Washington, in Washington State.
Speaker 3: Of course, Water said the hole was on his property,
Speaker 3: which is like a rural kind of you know, I guess,
Speaker 3: homesteady kind of location, now, fourteen miles out of town, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And here are some of the kind of wider claims
Speaker 3: that he made about said hole.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, So first he said the hole
Speaker 4: has an unknown depth five right, all holes will have
Speaker 4: an unknown depth until you plunge those depths or being adults. Okay,
Speaker 4: he says that he did something similar to what Matt
Speaker 4: is describing. There he got a fishing line and he
Speaker 4: waited it at the end, and then he rolled out
Speaker 4: more and more feet of line, like eighty thousand feet
Speaker 4: of issue line. That's his claim that he had still
Speaker 4: not hit the bottom by the time he ran out
Speaker 4: a lie.
Speaker 3: Well, there was another one. Maybe it was this one,
Speaker 3: but there was another one or another person that claims
Speaker 3: they lowered down a packet of life savers, the candy
Speaker 3: and to see if they hit water, because it would
Speaker 3: have dissolved the life savers. Again, this is like some
Speaker 3: of this is very apocryphal, and there are multiple kind
Speaker 3: of varying stories about this and as well as we'll
Speaker 3: get to kind of what the what the likely reality
Speaker 3: of it is. But I thought that was interesting because
Speaker 3: that would be a smart way of seeing if you
Speaker 3: hit water, is to see if like something like that dissolved.
Speaker 2: I would use an alka selser tablet with the whole
Speaker 2: punched in.
Speaker 3: It and for the yeah, I would lower a child
Speaker 3: into it. Of course you would, you monster, I'm.
Speaker 4: Kidding but the so you're right, there are these other claims.
Speaker 4: I think one thing that excited all of us about
Speaker 4: the story and cool guy as well, were the more
Speaker 4: paranormal things like, oh, a black light emanates from a hole. Oh,
Speaker 4: my neighbor put a dead dog in the hole, and
Speaker 4: then the dog came back and frolicked in the woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was sort of a limp weird evil frolic though, right,
Speaker 3: very pet cemetery.
Speaker 4: And then he says so when he in later conversations,
Speaker 4: after his first conversation on Coast to Coast AM, which
Speaker 4: is just an amazing radio show, he says, after I
Speaker 4: went public with you, Art Bell, soldiers in hazmat suits
Speaker 4: rocked up to my property. They cordon did it off,
Speaker 4: and they said I had to sell it to them
Speaker 4: or they would find a drug lab on my land.
Speaker 4: So they hate him off. Seems a little bit. I
Speaker 4: don't know if they would say it, they would have
Speaker 4: said that.
Speaker 3: Is that an eminent domain situation where you were sort
Speaker 3: of like forced to sell your land to the government.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Usually they would just say eminent domain. They wouldn't
Speaker 4: say you are going to be framed for operating a
Speaker 4: meth lab.
Speaker 3: Be a shame if somebody found her secret drugs lab.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so secret that Mel didn't know about it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then they said Mel, you got to get out
Speaker 2: of here, and he said, cool, help me get to
Speaker 2: Australia and.
Speaker 4: They said done' that's the story and people.
Speaker 3: Turns out the whole led to Australia. All we had
Speaker 3: to do is hop in and then he bopped out
Speaker 3: the other side.
Speaker 4: And in two thousand and two, inspired by this growing
Speaker 4: local lore, a guy named Gerald Osborne and a crew
Speaker 4: of about twenty nine other people said we're going to
Speaker 4: go try to find a whole. There was a lot
Speaker 4: of discourse about this on a website called melshole dot com,
Speaker 4: which I don't think is active anymore. But they did
Speaker 4: a really diligent effort to find it. Unfortunately, they came
Speaker 4: up with no dice. Waters never specifically revealed the location
Speaker 4: past the vague language that we gave you from the call.
Speaker 4: And he did, however, have a ton of stories about this.
Speaker 4: For someone who thought their life may have been threatened
Speaker 4: by the Feds, he was pretty forthcoming about different things.
Speaker 4: He said, you know, everybody in our area used the
Speaker 4: hole as a dump. Basically as a landfill. It's where
Speaker 4: we put our old refrigerators and dead cows and stuff.
Speaker 3: Dead cows just thrown in there for good measure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do also like the idea that there's so many
Speaker 3: fun little paranormal tidbits in here, that like animals avoided it,
Speaker 3: that dogs somehow had a spidey sense of something sinister
Speaker 3: lurking in there. I believe he even referred to the
Speaker 3: idea of hearing some sort of creature, you know, lurking
Speaker 3: and hulking around down there. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Heard a lot of again apocryphal stories, but what great
Speaker 4: stories these are, especially when we look at the meta
Speaker 4: version of this. Mel Waters have himself may be a story.
Speaker 4: There is no historical record of anybody named Melwaters or
Speaker 4: anything like Melwaters living in this area.
Speaker 3: Ever, I just feel like that is the perfect ending
Speaker 3: for one of those like Scholastic book fair scary stories,
Speaker 3: kind of like collections, you know, and there was and
Speaker 3: it turns out there was no Melwaters and he maybe
Speaker 3: he lives in the hole. I don't know. We gotta
Speaker 3: do some work shopping here, but I do feel like
Speaker 3: there's an opportunity here for a good scary story where Melwaters.
Speaker 3: Is this like maybe he was and he was dead
Speaker 3: all along and then his head fell off.
Speaker 2: I think about some callers who would call into Coast
Speaker 2: to Coast, callers who would call into this show who
Speaker 2: give themselves a moniker, a nickname, something else that's different.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that could be a situation where there
Speaker 2: is a real shoeman that had this thing. It's just
Speaker 2: his name was completely different.
Speaker 3: Finite, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I agree with you because the you know, we ask
Speaker 4: you on this show to use a cool nickname. Your
Speaker 4: g man name is fine too, if you're comfortable with that.
Speaker 4: But it would make sense if someone's trying to hide
Speaker 4: their identity in some way. However it does sound, we
Speaker 4: do know there was a real person calling in, an
Speaker 4: actual human being. They Melwaters is probably not the real name.
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like they're using voice modification software of
Speaker 4: any sort. So now we have just enough of a
Speaker 4: grain of truth. There is a person involved for these
Speaker 4: legends to grow, and experts their opinions on this range
Speaker 4: from amusement to like collegiate irritation. Because geologists, the vast majority,
Speaker 4: will say a hole like this in this region as
Speaker 4: described is geologically impossible.
Speaker 2: That's what makes it so great, because some.
Speaker 3: Dark mystic powers holding it up. Because then correct me if
Speaker 3: I'm wrong. You know, we talked about the way these
Speaker 3: kinds of deep holes can taper, but a whole of
Speaker 3: the depth being described by mister Mel here would likely
Speaker 3: collapse in on itself, you know, due to its own
Speaker 3: weight and structural you know.
Speaker 2: Instability, unless it was bored by someone or something.
Speaker 3: Not stop it with technology that we have lost predecessors,
Speaker 3: y'all spooking me out.
Speaker 4: Knock it off a predecessor civilization. Shout out HB. Lovecraft.
Speaker 2: That get gets into another set of like at least
Speaker 2: one particular hole we're going to talk about later about
Speaker 2: deep holes in places that are currently, at least at
Speaker 2: the time the hole is built inhospitable.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 4: And just like Mel's hole, the existence of some of
Speaker 4: these things is unknown or unproven. The locations are often
Speaker 4: kept secret even when authorities know about them, to preserve
Speaker 4: these unique ecosystems with it, because there are living things
Speaker 4: in a lot of these places, and still the legends persist.
Speaker 4: We're gonna take a break for word from our sponsors,
Speaker 4: and then we're gonna get even weirder with it.
Speaker 3: There's a hole at the bottom of the sea. There's
Speaker 3: a hole at the bottom of the sea. There's a whole.
Speaker 3: There's a whole. There's a whole at the bottom of
Speaker 3: the sea. Remember that from Family Guy or Stewie just
Speaker 3: sings that joke and sings that song like over and
Speaker 3: over and over again. You know that Family Guy bit
Speaker 3: where they just go on and on and on. I
Speaker 3: know the birds the word is it like that?
Speaker 2: I don't know the bottom of the sea.
Speaker 3: There's a hole the bottom of the sea. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: apparently it's a children's song, So this apparently is such
Speaker 3: a thing that deserves it's in tune.
Speaker 2: I know there's a pineapple at the bottom of the sea.
Speaker 3: There it is. I know that.
Speaker 4: I know that SpongeBob taught me the US dollars supported
Speaker 4: by imagination. Sorry for texting you guys.
Speaker 3: That just kind of why would you apologize for texting
Speaker 3: as fire memes?
Speaker 4: So, uh, maybe we'll we'll get we'll get it on
Speaker 4: our social media. But just okay, well, great setup. Because
Speaker 4: more recent mysterious holes are not on the land surface,
Speaker 4: they're underwater, and right now as we record, just off
Speaker 4: the coast of Big sur California. There's a weird landscape
Speaker 4: that's the size of Los Angeles, thousands and thousands of
Speaker 4: small round divots or we're larger ones, varying size, and
Speaker 4: animals have started taking like making these into natural shelters.
Speaker 4: So there's you could call it an undersea suburb of California.
Speaker 4: It's just fish and other wildlife live there.
Speaker 2: It's really weird to look at some of the imagery
Speaker 2: from high up above, or at least illustrations that try
Speaker 2: and show like what the region looks like, because it
Speaker 2: really does look like I don't know how to I mean,
Speaker 2: they call it pockmarked for a reason, sure, because it
Speaker 2: really does just look like someone grated over it with
Speaker 2: some nephilim sized machine that makes you know these.
Speaker 3: Like they rated the yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but on a massive scale.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they call it the Sir Pockmark Field as you are,
Speaker 4: although Sir pock Mark is a funny name for later, okay.
Speaker 4: And we owe a lot of the research to the
Speaker 4: scientists at the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute or MBARI,
Speaker 4: and the umbarians found found tons and tons of holes,
Speaker 4: and at first they had no idea what these things
Speaker 4: were how they came to be. They just knew they
Speaker 4: were the hottest real estate for local maritime life, and
Speaker 4: for decades people weren't sure what it was. One of
Speaker 4: the first initial guesses was methane gas, you know, methane venting,
Speaker 4: and that could maybe explain it, but they don't look
Speaker 4: like methane vents. They sent some robots down to check
Speaker 4: there were no signs or what they've described as there
Speaker 4: was scant evidence that there would be fluids involved or
Speaker 4: methane gas. Instead, what they said is, hang on, this
Speaker 4: suburb may have been a long time in the making
Speaker 4: because it looks like it's based on a slope, right.
Speaker 4: The photographs from above may appear to be you know,
Speaker 4: a relatively even horizontal surface, but because they're on this
Speaker 4: continental slope, it looks like sediment flows down it every
Speaker 4: so often, like on the rate of thousands of years.
Speaker 3: More like a trench kind of.
Speaker 2: It's weird. I've seen these holes described in well they
Speaker 2: try and give averages. Right, so the majority of the
Speaker 2: holes are fairly small, but there's another set of like
Speaker 2: five two hundred at least according to Science Alert, that
Speaker 2: average five hundred and seventy feet wide and sixteen feet deep.
Speaker 2: So there are some like again, it's like varying sizes, right,
Speaker 2: We're staying average on purpose here. Some are huge, some
Speaker 2: are small, and especially the larger ones where the sediment
Speaker 2: Ben's talking about here flows down hits like the center
Speaker 2: of these holes and causes a tiny bit of erosion
Speaker 2: every time on each one of those holes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and some of them are some of them are
Speaker 4: little guys, and then some of them are kaiju. And
Speaker 4: the last big sediment flow they believe occurred fourteen thousand
Speaker 4: years ago, maybe due to an earthquake or some other
Speaker 4: tecton or some other shift right in the land.
Speaker 2: But we're talking a major event, right, not like you
Speaker 2: know the earthquakes that La experiences all the time.
Speaker 3: That they expect at this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So with this erosion, we see that the mystery
Speaker 4: appears to have been solved without know ancient civilization or Atlantis.
Speaker 4: It's a bummer, but stick with us because it's weirder.
Speaker 4: Did you guys see the thing about those holes out
Speaker 4: by the azoris they look like we may have even
Speaker 4: talked about some of these. They look like someone took
Speaker 4: a a serrated pizza cutter and just rolled it across
Speaker 4: the ocean floor.
Speaker 2: Whoa yeah, or like some kind of giant craft landed
Speaker 2: and scraped.
Speaker 3: To the bottom. You were on fire today, Matt, or
Speaker 3: something like.
Speaker 4: It has a what is it a snout of some
Speaker 4: sort with just a single long row of teeth.
Speaker 3: And it just keeps going suffs.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, no, speaking of aeration, that's exactly what it
Speaker 2: looks like, like a sing if you had a single
Speaker 2: blade rator.
Speaker 3: Is that a thing?
Speaker 2: No, But if you had one, that's what it would
Speaker 2: look like.
Speaker 3: Your beer pizza cutter. Analogy I think holds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a serrator.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, we could single blade arrator. I wonder
Speaker 4: if that's the thing. I wonder if that's one of
Speaker 4: those inventions we can make. Well, you know, like when
Speaker 4: you only want a strip of grass.
Speaker 2: Well, though it would be like a planting strip, it
Speaker 2: would be like a planter. Those exist where they punch
Speaker 2: holes at a certain distance apart from each other, but
Speaker 2: in a singular line.
Speaker 4: And this this is weird because our pals that Noah
Speaker 4: have on their website a couple of fascinating statements about this,
Speaker 4: and they say, they say, look, a scientist hypothesize that
Speaker 4: the raised sediment may indicate excavation by an organism living
Speaker 4: in the sediment, or digging and removal, perhaps via a
Speaker 4: feeding appendage of a large animal on the sediment surface. Well,
Speaker 4: shadows of Cthulhu, right.
Speaker 3: M hm, saying out down there, he's got a heat,
Speaker 3: he's got to dig for sea truffles.
Speaker 4: I just want, I want a large, previous, unknown maritime
Speaker 4: animal to be discovered right in the modern day past
Speaker 4: the colossal squid, I get it. I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: be spoiled about it, but it'd be great to have
Speaker 4: another one too.
Speaker 3: It can be squid like, right, it can certainly have
Speaker 3: tentacles and perhaps demonic wings and giant glowing red eyes.
Speaker 2: Well, I have a feeling that's gonna happen sooner than
Speaker 2: we may think, and like absolutely is gonna happen, because
Speaker 2: I'm sure we haven't talked about it openly, I don't think.
Speaker 2: But the vast majority of the focus in the future
Speaker 2: on UAP is planning to be underwater, so like usos
Speaker 2: are the unidentified some merged objects. So I really do
Speaker 2: feel like as more and more eyes are on the
Speaker 2: bottom of the ocean in different places and far flung
Speaker 2: places that humans don't generally go to or feel like
Speaker 2: they need to research because there's not gonna be some
Speaker 2: to undersee mining in those regions or something. We're gonna
Speaker 2: discover stuff.
Speaker 4: We talked about this a little bit with Amua Mua
Speaker 4: and the research in Papua New Guinea which continues today. Right, Also,
Speaker 4: the FEDS are showing a strange amount of interest in
Speaker 4: the Galileo project, and I don't love it well. Which
Speaker 4: one is that the Galileo Project is the one out
Speaker 4: of Harvard that is trying to search for technological signatures
Speaker 4: from other civilizations. But the people, a lot of the
Speaker 4: people who are associated with Galileo are also increasingly focused
Speaker 4: on this underwater USO search, right, Unidentified submerged object or
Speaker 4: trans medium object.
Speaker 3: You guys, A quick quick minor de realm and not
Speaker 3: really And I'll definitely keep this in the back pocket
Speaker 3: for strange news. But did you read about that Harvard
Speaker 3: study that suggests that aliens might be living among us
Speaker 3: in disguise, either underground or on the moon. What? Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Human Flourishing Program of Harvard University also said that
Speaker 3: UFOs might be alien spaceships that are visiting to meet
Speaker 3: their alien friends living on Earth. So I don't know
Speaker 3: much about this human flourishing product. Even like Giant, you know,
Speaker 3: well respected Ivy League universities could have programs that would
Speaker 3: seem fringy, but that, yeah, it's going to be one
Speaker 3: that might rather be a Harvard. I'm fascinating. I want
Speaker 3: to read more, but I just wanted to mention that,
Speaker 3: especially given the underground aspect of these findings, what they
Speaker 3: call them, crypto terrestrials. We'll get into it. They did it.
Speaker 4: You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember hearing this is Yes,
Speaker 4: this is great for strange news. We also know that
Speaker 4: the exploration of these weird underwater holes we just gave
Speaker 4: you two examples, there are many, many more, and given
Speaker 4: the sheer vastness of the seas, it is statistically inevitable
Speaker 4: that there's more stuff out there we do not know about.
Speaker 4: You know, creature that lie dead yet dreaming, right, waiting,
Speaker 4: estivating for their opportunity to consume the minds of the
Speaker 4: surface world, sunk in cities, hidden caverns that go on
Speaker 4: and on for unlit miles. I'm feeling it. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: hope we find more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are bro I'm loving it, thanks man.
Speaker 4: We also know that there are so many different types
Speaker 4: of mysterious holes. It may be surprising for some of
Speaker 4: us in the audience today to learn that some of
Speaker 4: the more mysterious ones are made by people. We know
Speaker 4: exactly when they were made, we know ostensibly why they
Speaker 4: were made, and in a few cases there are rumors
Speaker 4: about why they were actually sealed back up after spending
Speaker 4: you know, the equivalent of billions dollars.
Speaker 2: But yeah, come on, now, we got to know how
Speaker 2: deep this thing goes. We got all these egg heads
Speaker 2: telling us what's at the center of this thing we
Speaker 2: call Earth. Why not drill down there and see for ourselves.
Speaker 4: Memory back to the space race in the Cold War,
Speaker 4: and someone, maybe in a boardroom or at a meeting
Speaker 4: in Soviet Russia, says, well, if the Americans are going
Speaker 4: to try to beat us to the moon, why don't
Speaker 4: we race to the bottom. They built the cola super
Speaker 4: deep borehole. This was in response to another weird hole
Speaker 4: the US was building. But it's from the late sixties
Speaker 4: the early nineteen nineties. They built the deepest artificially created
Speaker 4: hole on Earth, and then they sealed it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what will they find down there?
Speaker 3: Oh man, you know, we'll get the official version.
Speaker 4: It's weird because it's like the race to build the
Speaker 4: highest skyscraper. Are people just running toward hyperbole? But there
Speaker 4: is a lot of science involved.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It does teach us a lot about geology. The end
Speaker 4: goal is to reach Earth's mantle. Everything that humans have
Speaker 4: done is terms of digging into the surface. We have
Speaker 4: never dug a hole deep enough to get to the mantle.
Speaker 4: Where's still just a bunch of crusty folks because we're
Speaker 4: in the crust, the crust of the hole.
Speaker 3: Stop it will continue to please. Fine, this is making
Speaker 3: my day really quickly. Are we about to leave the sea?
Speaker 3: Are we leaving the sea? Yeah? We're in the man
Speaker 3: made holes as we leave the sea. The song that
Speaker 3: verages at the top of the segment the hole in
Speaker 3: the bottom of the sea is what they call a
Speaker 3: It's like an escalating song. So the last verse is
Speaker 3: there's a smile on the flea, on the fly, on
Speaker 3: the war on the frog, on the bump on the
Speaker 3: log in the hole on the bottom of the sea.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it goes verse by verse adding it another
Speaker 3: dumb thing, and it's been done many many different ways
Speaker 3: by many many different children's performers. So perhaps there could
Speaker 3: be a sinister aspect to the Hole in the Bottom
Speaker 3: of the Sea song. If anyone out there in conspiracy
Speaker 3: Land wants to write one up, send it our way.
Speaker 3: That seriously at iHeartRadio dot com.
Speaker 2: Sounds like it speaks to the fractal nature of the universe. Guys,
Speaker 2: it gets as bigger as it gets smaller.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Oh, wheels within worlds within worlds, all the universe and
Speaker 4: a grain of sand. No wow, Yeah, so this also
Speaker 4: you could tell we've got Friday energy here today, folks.
Speaker 3: We hope you enjoy it. Effie. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The mantle of Earth is forty percent or more of
Speaker 4: the planet. There's radius of four thousand miles.
Speaker 3: It is. It just it's right like a layer cake.
Speaker 4: It's right under the crust, and it sort of heaves
Speaker 4: up and down. Picture it kind of breathing or rotating.
Speaker 4: Because Earth is very much alive. Shout out to the
Speaker 4: Gaya superorganism hypothesis, and the crust, the part that humans
Speaker 4: are mainly concerned with. It's uneven and it's just a
Speaker 4: little tiny portion. It's like the crust on a krim brewlay.
Speaker 4: It's three to twenty five miles thick.
Speaker 3: Are you all picturing those infographics from your middle school
Speaker 3: textbooks right now? The kind of bisected earth you know,
Speaker 3: with like the different layers labeled than the the me
Speaker 3: your mints and all of that stuff. It's boom, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's burned into my memory.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a dummy. I need someone to
Speaker 2: write in or call us to explain how humanity understands
Speaker 2: that the mantle is one eight hundred miles thick and
Speaker 2: understands what is deeper than that mantle right towards the course, right,
Speaker 2: But we're saying the deepest hole here that we've ever
Speaker 2: dug is an attempt to reach the mantle, right, and
Speaker 2: we we I guess we failed, or maybe they were
Speaker 2: successful to hit the mantle and that's why they stopped
Speaker 2: because the mantle is something different.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Officially, so yes, geologist fulcanologists, we want to hang out
Speaker 4: with you. Officially, the hole took about twenty years to
Speaker 4: reach a depth of around seven and a half miles.
Speaker 4: But when you're hearing this right, you might be thinking
Speaker 4: of the wrong kind of this is just not when
Speaker 4: it gets down to the business. It's just nine inches
Speaker 4: in diameter because of all the pressure from the rock
Speaker 4: right increasing temperature. The Americans had their own thing, Project
Speaker 4: Mohole in nineteen fifty eight, but they quit in sixty six,
Speaker 4: and the Russians just kept going. Man, that that seven
Speaker 4: point five miles or so, that is at best maybe
Speaker 4: halfway to the mantle, probably less o.
Speaker 3: Ooh, guys, quick point of scientific clarification. The a lot
Speaker 3: of mantle studies and just in general the bisection of
Speaker 3: the layers of the earth are but through the study
Speaker 3: of seismic waves. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, and vibrations.
Speaker 3: So it's like learning to cover up. Yeah. I also
Speaker 3: that that's not convinced.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not that I'm not convinced, it's just yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's this this feeling that we really know,
Speaker 2: we really understand. I keep thinking back to my the
Speaker 2: science textbooks from elementary school, middle school, even college that
Speaker 2: are just so, yeah, this is exactly what the Earth
Speaker 2: is made up of. These are the elements that may
Speaker 2: make it up.
Speaker 4: And sometimes they turned out to be confidently incorrect.
Speaker 2: How much have we learned about things like particle physics
Speaker 2: that were just fully wrong back then or absolutely often
Speaker 2: enough to where it changes our understanding of all the
Speaker 2: stuff we learned as kids.
Speaker 3: Well, but think about all of the materials that are
Speaker 3: extruded by the Earth during different seismic events, you know,
Speaker 3: like rocks that have risen due to convection and things
Speaker 3: like that. Like, that's another way they can study it too.
Speaker 3: It's like, maybe we spits up every now.
Speaker 4: Maybe we've only been focusing on the bad volcanoes. Maybe
Speaker 4: there are volcanoes that erupt nod magma stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: like flower flowers. I don't know, you know, it'd be
Speaker 4: cool if there was a volcano that erupted and in
Speaker 4: chocolate volcano, a chocolate volcano, or a secret a secret
Speaker 4: civilization of underground folks who are just like, hey, we're
Speaker 4: not sinister. It took us a while to find the.
Speaker 3: Door at the center of the Bubba Gub Kingdom. I
Speaker 3: love this world.
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to think that I, or Re
Speaker 2: or anybody here is saying that we just don't believe
Speaker 2: the science. I think it's more it's tough for me
Speaker 2: to believe that we have such a full understanding of
Speaker 2: some of these things at this moment rather than saying,
Speaker 2: to our best knowledge, this is what the makeup of
Speaker 2: the earth and layers are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we also know that the science has to continue.
Speaker 4: And again, what defeats the human mind and a lot
Speaker 4: of these pursuits is just the immensity of scale. It's
Speaker 4: just the sheer size difference here.
Speaker 3: And we know.
Speaker 4: Okay, so these incredibly ambitious, brilliant people in Russia build
Speaker 4: the world's deepest hole and eventually, okay, here's the legend.
Speaker 4: The modern legend is just like the dwarves and morea,
Speaker 4: the Soviets dug too deep in pursuit of eldritch powers,
Speaker 4: and they found mysterious fossils, and then, without hesitation, they
Speaker 4: sealed up the hole and vowed never to reopen it
Speaker 4: lest the world be imperiled.
Speaker 2: They found an iPhone down there, they found it's.
Speaker 3: A future hole.
Speaker 4: They found a box of old playboys. Right, No, no,
Speaker 4: we've got to keep.
Speaker 3: This for us. Oh no, Matt, my picture when you
Speaker 3: say they found an iPhone down there that they found
Speaker 3: like it shouldn't. There shouldn't be an iPhone down there.
Speaker 3: No man has ever been down there.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety seven or whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's what I thought you were getting hit
Speaker 3: And it was some sort of portal. Yes, thank you,
Speaker 3: just making sure we're on the same page.
Speaker 4: We're on the same page. They did find really weird,
Speaker 4: unexpected things. Four miles down they found two billion year
Speaker 4: old fossils of microscoptic planked And that part is true.
Speaker 3: It also stumbled upon the microscopic plant. Yeah, they're just
Speaker 3: like paper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they said, oh crap, it's a rock. So
Speaker 4: we also know that the hole is sealed. That part
Speaker 4: is also arguably true. But the real reason for sealing
Speaker 4: it up, the official one at least comes from the
Speaker 4: Smithsonian has a great summation of it. They say, quote,
Speaker 4: the Cola hole was abandoned in nineteen ninety two when
Speaker 4: drillers experienced higher than expected temperatures three hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: six degrees fahrenheit instead of the two hundred and twelve
Speaker 4: degrees that they had mapped up to that point. So
Speaker 4: what that means is, again, because this is a living,
Speaker 4: dynamic environment, it's changeable, that it means maybe things could
Speaker 4: have gone wrong quickly. What does that higher temperature indicate.
Speaker 3: I love the way they put it. It's such a
Speaker 3: visual thing. The idea of the surrounding materials were so
Speaker 3: hot and essentially almost liquid. I guess you know that
Speaker 3: the temperature would absolutely annihilate their equipment. It was dangerous
Speaker 3: as hell to occupy. The more liquid the environment became,
Speaker 3: the harder it was to maintain that that drill. And
Speaker 3: the thing I liked with the Smithsonian said was it's
Speaker 3: like trying to keep a pit in the center of
Speaker 3: a pot of hot soup. Because I got immediately picture
Speaker 3: trying to do that. It would require constant churning, you know,
Speaker 3: and the moment you stop it just you know, closes
Speaker 3: in on itself.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a hard stance here, guys, I say
Speaker 2: you you do stop and then you put new equipment
Speaker 2: down there that's soup based rather than rock based.
Speaker 3: Yeah, laterle you switched to it like a latter situation.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Come on, man, a straw you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Super beat straw beat soup.
Speaker 2: Or at least something that could get through that more
Speaker 2: easily to continue on its journey down that's weighted. I
Speaker 2: don't know, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 4: We're calling Russia and that soup quote comes to us
Speaker 4: courtesy of Benjamin Andrews, who's the curator for the National
Speaker 4: Rock and Work Collection at the National Museum in Natural History.
Speaker 4: So he does know what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he also does. It makes all of his He
Speaker 3: does all of his science explaining through soup metaphors, which
Speaker 3: I think is really powerful because that's something we could
Speaker 3: all get behind.
Speaker 2: Dude, I had carrot soup last night.
Speaker 3: It's so good. Did you make it yourself? No, it's
Speaker 3: not hard. You just you know, pure the crap out
Speaker 3: of the carrots and then add some nice cream a little.
Speaker 4: Oh, of course, of course I put garlic in everything. Actually,
Speaker 4: all the stereotypes are true.
Speaker 3: Indian spices go really well, and a carrot soup. I
Speaker 3: made a carrot and coriander soup one time. It was fabulous.
Speaker 3: And well.
Speaker 4: All the experts, of course, agree on this Russian super
Speaker 4: boor story.
Speaker 3: Uh, just like it.
Speaker 4: The temperature makes way more sense than the idea of
Speaker 4: an Eldritch conspiracy. But the Eltritch love crafting conspiracy story
Speaker 4: is so tantalizing that it's just too good not to
Speaker 4: not to contemplate. And we have to ask, would it
Speaker 4: be a would it be possible to cover us up
Speaker 4: something of that magnitude.
Speaker 3: If so, what would you cover up? And why have
Speaker 3: you guys seen the new kind of reboots of the
Speaker 3: Godzilla Kong universe. I believe Legendary Pictures is responsible for
Speaker 3: Hollow Earth. Yeah, the Hollow Earth thing. And there's like
Speaker 3: the idea of these these creatures living in this like past,
Speaker 3: the land that time forgot that exists deep, deep, deep,
Speaker 3: deep deep within the earth. I think that's you know, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, certainly inspired by this type of thinking. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also that great TV show Land of the Lost.
Speaker 3: In the Land of the Lost, yeah, banging theme song,
Speaker 3: Yeah the Loss. Maybe, Well, nostalgia is a heck of
Speaker 3: a drug.
Speaker 4: As we explored in some other episodes, We're going to
Speaker 4: take a break for word from our sponsors and we're
Speaker 4: gonna hit you with some even crazier news. Not all
Speaker 4: mysterious holes are on Earth. You know, you ever meet
Speaker 4: someone you're like, Wow, your holes are out of this world.
Speaker 3: One time, it's a really good pickup line, man, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna try that. Oh really, did you know? The Land
Speaker 3: of the Loss is get created by the same team
Speaker 3: that did hr puffin stuff, Sid and Marty Croft. As
Speaker 3: it's now that I think back on it. It's very
Speaker 3: puppet based, just like Puff and Stuff was, but lots
Speaker 3: of crazy dinosaur puppets and things. But I want to
Speaker 3: go back on what There was a Will Ferrell movie
Speaker 3: reboot of it, but the show from the I believe
Speaker 3: the seventies is gonna be a fun, fun revisit.
Speaker 4: I like the Slee Stack. I love a villain. The
Speaker 4: slee Stacks were the the reptilian humanoid creatures, all right,
Speaker 4: shout out Slee Stacks.
Speaker 3: Oh. It reminds me of the time Machine, the HG.
Speaker 3: Wells novel where you had the Murlocks and the Eloys
Speaker 3: or whatever, and which was the Murlocks were the underground
Speaker 3: dwellers that like really couldn't hang in the sun.
Speaker 4: The yeah, the Morlocks were they can.
Speaker 3: They come and snatch up the Eloy's animal.
Speaker 4: Industrial class who became the Rulers and HG. Wells a
Speaker 4: whole other bag of badgers. But just this week, you
Speaker 4: guys news broke about weird holes on the planet Mars.
Speaker 4: Strange pits are being discovered there. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: Martian news that's pretty interesting. Some water actually froze on
Speaker 4: there right pretty recently.
Speaker 3: But now this isn't just your average crater, right. You know,
Speaker 3: we think of the surface of Mars is you know,
Speaker 3: pocked with these craters, but those are more what's the
Speaker 3: word superficial then what you're talking about, Ben, Right, Well,
Speaker 3: we yeah, we don't know how deep they go.
Speaker 2: But the exciting part is they might go really deep
Speaker 2: because they're on the side of a ginormous extinct volcano.
Speaker 2: And if they do go really deep, there's some cool
Speaker 2: implications for us humans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, picture this fellow would be astronauts. Your new home
Speaker 4: on Mars. Why it's not a mobile home. It's not
Speaker 4: a split level condo. No, your very own lava tube.
Speaker 4: It's like a new kind of shotgun house because.
Speaker 3: It might need to work on the brand.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm imagining it like lava tube apartment complexes, right,
Speaker 2: I mean this is it's a real build.
Speaker 3: Floors into the structure, right, it's like a silo. You
Speaker 3: think of it like that.
Speaker 2: But it's a stark outlook.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends on it's definitely not going to be
Speaker 4: a pleasant life for the pioneers, and it also depends
Speaker 4: on the size of the lava tube. I mean it's
Speaker 4: an esthetic choice. Would you personally want to have the
Speaker 4: privacy of your own smaller lava tube or do you
Speaker 4: want to share a gigantic one and have a studio apartment.
Speaker 3: That's what it would be. You'd get like one loft
Speaker 3: type floor. Because how wide are we talking? And the
Speaker 3: depth I understand various, But are they of uniform width
Speaker 3: or is that pretty all over the place too?
Speaker 4: You know what, Noel, actually don't have that handy, but
Speaker 4: we know this indicates it's probably there are probably more
Speaker 4: than one pits of this nature, and if they go
Speaker 4: down farough, then they could be the new home for
Speaker 4: future human astronauts. Not because of the pleasant decor, but
Speaker 4: because they will solve one of the biggest problems with
Speaker 4: humans on Mars. The first one is getting people tomorrow safely.
Speaker 4: The second is keeping them alive on that planet. And
Speaker 4: one of the big problems with keeping them alive is
Speaker 4: the radiation. You are a smacked bad on Mars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know you mitigate that with you know,
Speaker 3: a suit of some kind of guys. Are we also
Speaker 3: thinking that this might indicate there are cave systems on Mars.
Speaker 2: That's the hope, right, I guess. So the hope is, oh,
Speaker 2: and by the way, the hole that was seen by
Speaker 2: the Mars Or Coronassance orbiter was only a few meters
Speaker 2: across according to popular mechanics.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's like enough. That's not enough for a dwelling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be just an entrance, right, it might
Speaker 4: be really big in the beginning, right, Like have you
Speaker 4: ever walked into I love the homes that have that
Speaker 4: mysterious appearance, you know, you you open a door and
Speaker 4: it seems to be a tiny structure. I was in
Speaker 4: a place one time. No, it was definitely a bunker.
Speaker 4: I was called a nice I was gonna call a
Speaker 4: secret house for some reason. It's definitely bunker. You know,
Speaker 4: one person, like a little door you would open and
Speaker 4: all their all you see there is a steep incline
Speaker 4: of stairs, and when you got downstairs, it was like
Speaker 4: an entire actually really nice house.
Speaker 3: You know. It's interesting. A lot of the big houses
Speaker 3: in Hollywood or like in like Malibu and stuff. Like
Speaker 3: from the street view, the facade or the front part
Speaker 3: of the house that you see looks like a pretty
Speaker 3: modest home, but the whole the rest of the house
Speaker 3: is built on the back of this cliff and it
Speaker 3: just goes down, down, down, down, and continues jutting out,
Speaker 3: you know, over the sea, and they're insane, but like,
Speaker 3: if you actually just go out of the street, it
Speaker 3: looks like a meager, little kind of bungalow.
Speaker 4: We're hoping, we're hoping that the humble appearance belies a
Speaker 4: greater interior, and we're hoping it leads to a cavern system.
Speaker 4: Like you're saying that it's a radiation from space on Mars.
Speaker 4: Due to the thin atmosphere, it's forty to fifty times
Speaker 4: higher than anything you will experience in an environment here
Speaker 4: on Earth. And this also has a bigger question because
Speaker 4: it's not just about humans these environments. If the stuff
Speaker 4: we know about cave systems is similar to what we
Speaker 4: know about Mars, they could have been the perfect place
Speaker 4: for maybe a form of Martian life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because we don't know how far back the
Speaker 2: potential for life goes. We do because we estimate how
Speaker 2: old Mars is right in relation to the star that
Speaker 2: we all orbit around.
Speaker 4: Again, how confident are we in that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Pretty confident?
Speaker 3: I hope. I wait, so you don't have geology.
Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is I hope. I'm I feel
Speaker 2: so dumb because I don't. No, I do. I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I think I get all jumbled up because it just
Speaker 2: the confidence of knowing how long a star has been
Speaker 2: around makes sense to me in a weird way that
Speaker 2: the center of the Earth doesn't. Because we've observed we
Speaker 2: can actually observe the star. We cannot observe the center
Speaker 2: of the Earth. We can get hints of it through things,
Speaker 2: as you're saying, like what.
Speaker 3: It's actions and effects.
Speaker 2: What sounds, what waves it makes? Right, But we can
Speaker 2: look out there at the star and we can go
Speaker 2: kind of spend time backwards in a lot of ways
Speaker 2: with our models. But just sorry, I'm just still thinking
Speaker 2: about Mars and this radiation thing. Yeah, because the fact
Speaker 2: that that planet doesn't have a magnetosphere, and we just
Speaker 2: experienced a major coronal mass ejection that hit the Earth,
Speaker 2: and the only reason why we didn't have major problems
Speaker 2: is because our planet has that handy magnetosphere that that
Speaker 2: stops things from happening, and that creates that stops the
Speaker 2: radiation in these bursts from hitting us.
Speaker 3: Freaking Goldilock zone stuff. It's wild that these conditions are
Speaker 3: just so perfectly conducive. Does not frying or dying of
Speaker 3: radiation point.
Speaker 2: But we're like, yeah, man, let's get to this rock
Speaker 2: that's not shielded at all and hopefully we can be
Speaker 2: okay and these maybe volcanoes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well doubt what we get there. Did you know
Speaker 3: you can get a whole hazarmat soup for just one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty bucks. Ah, the price went down, I guess.
Speaker 3: So now I will say I was sort of taken
Speaker 3: a little bit aback because the image on the site
Speaker 3: mirror safety dot com includes a really dope respirator mask
Speaker 3: that is not included that is two fifty on its own.
Speaker 4: Ah. Yeah, the mask one of the key parts. We
Speaker 4: also know that there are pits like this on the
Speaker 4: Moon as well, or similar things, right, And just like that,
Speaker 4: it's difficult to explore a cavern here on Earth when
Speaker 4: you can get actual boots on the ground. It's even
Speaker 4: more difficult to explore something so very far away. But
Speaker 4: the Moon pit temperatures get this estimated around sixty three
Speaker 4: degrees fahrenheit, so actually very amenable for human presence. If such,
Speaker 4: if similar conditions could exist on Mars, then it would
Speaker 4: go a long long way to making the dream of
Speaker 4: second human planet a reality or you know, you pick
Speaker 4: your poison returning to the original planet.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's gonna ben. I think you're right, dude.
Speaker 3: What was it? Bray, who wrote Hindline wrote Red Planet, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Red Planet. It's just I don't know, I haven't read
Speaker 3: it in a long time, but it is a I
Speaker 3: do recall it being a really cool, uh highline novel
Speaker 3: about colonizing Mars, and I'm pretty sure there are some
Speaker 3: cave situations and when they kind of get into exploring
Speaker 3: the you know, the it's a little bit more of
Speaker 3: a Mars. I think that's been terraformed and that has
Speaker 3: you know, actual life. It's able to support life to
Speaker 3: some degree. But probably worth a revisit thinking about this stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, one of the most recent books about
Speaker 4: Mars that I really enjoyed was The Strange by Nathan ballingrud.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to spoil it, man, I'm not
Speaker 4: even sure what genre it is. Nathan uh who I've
Speaker 4: spoke with over a few years. Nathan is very much
Speaker 4: considered a horror writer. Like he he had several things
Speaker 4: adapted from from his previous anthologies. But I wouldn't call
Speaker 4: The Strange a horror novel. God, I want to know
Speaker 4: if anybody else has read that one, because it stays
Speaker 4: with me. It's like kind of a Western all right,
Speaker 4: you know what that sounds great?
Speaker 3: No, I've I have pledged y'all sit right here out
Speaker 3: laugh for all to hear, to read a book this year.
Speaker 3: By end of the year's time, I will have read
Speaker 3: a book. Damn you. Maybe that'll be the one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So the brief, the brief backstory I want
Speaker 4: to keep us too long on this is that uh there,
Speaker 4: it's an altered universe. But people live on Mars now
Speaker 4: and the project to get humans to Mars has lost steam,
Speaker 4: it has failed. It's dying civilization and the stressful planet.
Speaker 4: So I think that kind of Ah, it's so good.
Speaker 4: I might read it again. Yeah, but as we're speaking of,
Speaker 4: you know, we've been going for a while now. We
Speaker 4: said this might end up being two parter. There's several
Speaker 4: other places we have to go or at least shout out.
Speaker 4: One of them is the son Dong Cave in Vietnam.
Speaker 4: It is the largest cave in the world is also
Speaker 4: the most unexplored. It is super difficult to get in.
Speaker 4: Only one thousand people per year can visit, and it's
Speaker 4: three grand per person just for the tour. And this thing,
Speaker 4: despite its huge size, it wasn't discovered till nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3: Dudes, bro, that's less than the Star Wars Galaxy Star Cruiser,
Speaker 3: Hotel Debacle situation, fake spaceship five thousand dollars a person
Speaker 3: for two days. I think you've outlined a pretty solid
Speaker 3: bargain there, my friend, dude.
Speaker 4: Look, please, please, folks, if you have not heard of
Speaker 4: this before, it's spelled son spaceed doo n G cave,
Speaker 4: please check out the videos or the three D tours.
Speaker 3: It is probably the.
Speaker 4: Closest thing humanity is found to a underground world or
Speaker 4: a hollow earth. The scale is a mint. I want
Speaker 4: to go so bad.
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite parts about the parts of
Speaker 3: elden Ring that I did finish, where you'll find some
Speaker 3: well and then you hit a lever and you just
Speaker 3: go down, down, down, down down for ages, and then
Speaker 3: you're in this like I think maybe it's one place
Speaker 3: in particular, but I bet it happens more than the ones,
Speaker 3: and you're just in this underground thing where it like
Speaker 3: has a night sky. It's unbelievable, the scale of it,
Speaker 3: and then it's inhabited by these like weird crystally people
Speaker 3: that murder you instantly with impunity. Yeah, you gotta get
Speaker 3: your levels right, You sure do, buddy, And I never
Speaker 3: quite got the balance hit that figure. Get good, as
Speaker 3: they say, Yeah, yeah, I never. I never got good.
Speaker 3: I stayed bad, oh man bad, like Michael Jack. Well,
Speaker 3: we can't say that anymore. Bad to the boat. Skyrim
Speaker 3: is much more on my speed. It's a little it's
Speaker 3: a little more forgiving.
Speaker 2: They also have one of those places, a cave that
Speaker 2: seems to almost have a sky because of the mycelium and.
Speaker 3: Sky re blackreach. I don't think i've gotten there yet.
Speaker 3: I don't think i've seen it in any of my playthroughs.
Speaker 3: So that's exciting because I love that. I just started
Speaker 3: the Dawn Guard and it gives you a whole other
Speaker 3: set of environments which kick butt. So I love discovering
Speaker 3: new things because that game can't get a little samy
Speaker 3: if you're just fast traveling between the villages to sell
Speaker 3: your stuff. I like it. I love everything about it.
Speaker 3: It's a great game.
Speaker 4: I kept my old PS four entirely because I have
Speaker 4: one hundred percent play through in there, and sometimes I'll
Speaker 4: just turn it on and it's weird.
Speaker 3: RPG that turned into the SIMS.
Speaker 4: Now, I just like walk around and I kid you,
Speaker 4: not soup, you know, I find I go grocery shopping
Speaker 4: in this fate whatever, what's your.
Speaker 3: Go to soup? I like to make a vegetable stew
Speaker 3: or vegetable stew's good. Yeah, yeah, it's just got good stats.
Speaker 3: But Ben, I mean, was it Fallout four? They kind
Speaker 3: of sim fives the hell out of that game. It's
Speaker 3: sort of pissed some people off with all of the
Speaker 3: settlement buildings and stuff like. It's kind of annoying. It's
Speaker 3: something that I've really ever gotten into. But I love
Speaker 3: the idea of just exploring the world you've built for yourself. Ben.
Speaker 4: It's a weird one, but it's better spending money right
Speaker 4: going outside. So we also know, all right, there are
Speaker 4: so many other things we have to get to that
Speaker 4: will may they may have to be in a second episode.
Speaker 4: But this cave in Vietnam first got explored in two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, and people still don't know how far
Speaker 4: it goes or where it goes. And then they've got
Speaker 4: the stories of the burning pits like Centralia, Pennsylvania, the
Speaker 4: Mouth of Hell, or the Gate to Hell, the Darvaza
Speaker 4: gas creator in Turkmenistan. Those I don't think are mysterious.
Speaker 4: We know human error created them. But the biggest mystery
Speaker 4: is when are they going to stop burning? Even now
Speaker 4: we're not entirely sure.
Speaker 3: I mean that sounds like hell to me. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just constantly on fire, yeah, all the time. I mean,
Speaker 3: give me a break.
Speaker 4: We also we also have to go back to a
Speaker 4: great hobby horse of ours over the years, Antarctica. I
Speaker 4: don't know why I said it, like that Antarctica stuff
Speaker 4: like the ice cube, neutrino observatory down there in the street.
Speaker 3: You say observatory to match your pronunciation of Antarctica. I
Speaker 3: love it. I love it. But I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: We're great, But we remember the ice cube, the neutrino observatory, right,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: Know if I do, but that's I mean, it sounds fancy.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: The neutrino is a real serious, tiny particle, right.
Speaker 2: It's literally a giant cube of a bunch of different sensors.
Speaker 3: Oh, I got a ray of Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2: And there's a particular individual whose name I cannot think
Speaker 2: of right now, who is a you know, self styled
Speaker 2: whistleblower who says he was working there and believes that
Speaker 2: it is not just an observatory, it's these are not
Speaker 2: just detectors in the ice. These are also things that
Speaker 2: can work together to emit some type of energy.
Speaker 4: Then Bob Blazar, definitely he's talking about a different thing.
Speaker 4: I know, I remember what you're talking about. That they
Speaker 4: were making energy.
Speaker 3: Like a sonic we like a sonic weapon like or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 2: An energy weapon similar to the ones alleged to exist
Speaker 2: at HARP.
Speaker 3: HARP is what was coming to mind, right right.
Speaker 2: You can find this, but I've never seen it substantiated
Speaker 2: by anybody else.
Speaker 4: I know. It's Eric Hecker Raytheon contractor, and he claimed that,
Speaker 4: similar to earlier HARP theories, that the ice cube neutrino
Speaker 4: observatory actually created some earthquakes.
Speaker 2: Yes, and at least do other weird energy.
Speaker 3: Could be harnessed, you know, intentionally if if if the
Speaker 3: mood struck them. So that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Check out our episodes on that. You can also check
Speaker 4: out What's beneath the Antarctic ice that was that was
Speaker 4: a groovy one for us. In our video days as well,
Speaker 4: we were talking a little bit off here about just
Speaker 4: how how weird Antarctica is. We foreshadowed this a little bit.
Speaker 4: This is a great time for Antarctic science because of
Speaker 4: climate change. Right, it will ultimately lead to large scale
Speaker 4: disasters as the ice sheets, as the ice sheets start
Speaker 4: transforming away from being ice sheets.
Speaker 3: But sure it's not a Chinese hoax though, ben ice
Speaker 3: climate change.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, okay, because I'm fifty to fifty on ice.
Speaker 3: That would be a great campaign to mount ice. Isn't real?
Speaker 3: Show me? The show proved me wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, if you want another thing to search about Antarctic
Speaker 2: ice and Arctic ice, you can look up a thing
Speaker 2: that is known as the moud rise m a U
Speaker 2: d ri i s E paulinya, which is spelled p
Speaker 2: o l y n y a. It is just an
Speaker 2: interesting thing about well, this one, the moud rise one
Speaker 2: is a specific hole that opens up periodically in the
Speaker 2: Antarctic ice pretty near the shore of Antarctica, and scientists,
Speaker 2: for a long time we're trying to figure out why
Speaker 2: the heck this thing opens and kind of closes and
Speaker 2: again this isn't an ice sheet. So if you imagine
Speaker 2: ice on the sea forming right as a sheet, and
Speaker 2: then this hole opens up, the thing is the hole
Speaker 2: is sometimes the size of New zealand sometimes the size
Speaker 2: of Maine.
Speaker 3: It's huge. It's the scale again. So when are we going.
Speaker 3: Let's just I got to hit up Arii first and
Speaker 3: get some spelunking gear. But I'm down.
Speaker 2: Well, let's do We got to do it in the
Speaker 2: winter time, so I don't know what winter is in Antarco.
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't it kind of per moment? Does it really change? Yes? Much?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ice sheet forms and like goes juts out
Speaker 2: into the sea and then recedes back.
Speaker 3: I see, I see, I see, I make I see. Uh.
Speaker 4: So the uh the slight discoursion here. It is so fascinating.
Speaker 4: We also had an episode on how murder is handled
Speaker 4: in Antarctica for crime in general, and it's a.
Speaker 3: Gray area kind of right, like it's yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4: Well, who gets jurisdiction, right, because there's so many of.
Speaker 3: Those research stations that are under different national whatever. Technically
Speaker 3: it's like an embassy or something, right.
Speaker 4: Right, And despite the earlier ambitions of New Swabia, there
Speaker 4: is no government that owns Antarctica. And I got so
Speaker 4: close to being able to travel there, not once, but twice.
Speaker 4: It's still on the list. It's just kind of uh,
Speaker 4: you know, not selling cheap skate. It's a little pricey.
Speaker 3: But I gotta say, though, Ben, you're quite the adventurer.
Speaker 3: You've had some adventure Tarctic. We gotta go, man. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, yeah, you to your list. You'll be up
Speaker 3: there with like a Teddy Roosevelt esque kind of you know,
Speaker 3: naturalists type figure. You know.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, well, let's let's all go. Let's Antarctica.
Speaker 3: Paul.
Speaker 4: I'm going to assume you're in, so I'll just venmo
Speaker 4: you for the tickets.
Speaker 3: I'll just bring my puffy coat. I'll probably just and Matt,
Speaker 3: sorry Matt to suffer through that riffing there.
Speaker 2: But what I'm bringing my ice climbing stuff so I
Speaker 2: can get over this ice wall that everybody.
Speaker 3: Sp spiky shoes, and what about those those picks, those
Speaker 3: like pyth looking things, those are sick. Yeah. The carabineers, well,
Speaker 3: Carbiners is the little clickie boys that connect those for
Speaker 3: the rope. You gotta have kidding you think We're not
Speaker 3: going to bring garbineers all the way out here. We
Speaker 3: forgot the Caribean. How will I clip my keys to
Speaker 3: my belt? I'll certainly lose them in the Arctic tundra.
Speaker 4: I will pitch that I don't love reality TV, but
Speaker 4: I will pitch this for us as a documentary, as
Speaker 4: a limited series documentary on Netflix.
Speaker 3: It rival of the North. Dude.
Speaker 2: No, it'll be the It will be the biggest thing
Speaker 2: to hit Discovery since ice road truckers. It'll be ice
Speaker 2: wall climbers.
Speaker 3: Yes, there it is amateurs, not even amateur, like what's
Speaker 3: what's below amateur?
Speaker 4: Our qualifications include enthusiasm.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, that's enthusiasm, naked, frozen, and afraid. Oh man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, we also know their deep, deep water
Speaker 4: filled sinkholes like Elzaton.
Speaker 3: Gravity to it, doesn't it looks a beautiful Yeah, the
Speaker 3: blue hole out there in the water. Man.
Speaker 4: We think though, that the most out there question is
Speaker 4: something we can answer a little bit.
Speaker 3: It could there be something like a hollow earth.
Speaker 4: Science again seems pretty certain about the nature of the
Speaker 4: planet's interior, so a fully hollow earth feels like something
Speaker 4: that either doesn't make sense or we would have heard
Speaker 4: about before.
Speaker 2: But what about eight miles deep?
Speaker 3: Exactly? All right?
Speaker 4: We never got there about what about a huge, absolutely
Speaker 4: locked off, self contained subterranean environment that is miles and
Speaker 4: miles miles and miles long enough or wide enough. The
Speaker 4: breadth of it is such that if you are a
Speaker 4: human sized human walking around in there, you'll think, holy smokes,
Speaker 4: there is a hollow earth.
Speaker 3: I'm in it. Even if it's like the size of U.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to pick a really big one the
Speaker 4: size of New Hampshire hm, or forget it, the size
Speaker 4: of you'd be like, wow, this is real, dude.
Speaker 2: What if there's a Texas sized dome that is covered
Speaker 2: in some kind of heat resistant mineral that formed over
Speaker 2: millions and millions of years.
Speaker 3: And it's so on board, dude.
Speaker 2: They're down there and they're just like, uh, well, we're
Speaker 2: the most people and actually life's pretty great. And the
Speaker 2: moment that they encounter humanity.
Speaker 3: Yes, instant porn addiction, you know, like, well, they probably
Speaker 3: have their own kind of predilection. That's a good point.
Speaker 4: They probably would be like, no, we call ourselves the people, yeah,
Speaker 4: because that's how those things work.
Speaker 3: We actually we call you the dirt walkers. Oh, that's right,
Speaker 3: because their language would definitely immediately resemble ours one to one.
Speaker 4: Right, And you know, the the real question is the
Speaker 4: size and scale. It's then therefore possible we could even say,
Speaker 4: plus that there are undiscovered subterranean areas like we're describing,
Speaker 4: big enough for humans to consider them another world, you know, unless,
Speaker 4: of course, there's something they don't want you to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and undiscovered countries of sorts. Shout out to Max
Speaker 3: Williams for the Star Trek.
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