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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission

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Speaker 4: control decand most importantly, you are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: Heads up, this episode is not for the tripophobes in

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Speaker 4: the crowd. We remember that meme, right, the fear of small,

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Speaker 4: densely placed holes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a weird texture, not gonna lie. Even looking

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Speaker 3: at it as a non trip of phobe sufferer, it

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Speaker 3: does creep me out a little bit that I'm not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, same, It's just it's a weird look literally, uh

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Speaker 4: and speaking weird things. In an earlier Listener mail program,

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Speaker 4: conspiracy realists, cool Guy Uh hipped us to a story

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Speaker 4: of Mel's hole, which which Noel, you brought unlist have

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Speaker 4: brought to the class, brought to the show, and we

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Speaker 4: realized as we're exploring this that Earth is absolutely riddled

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Speaker 4: with mysterious caverns, drops, minds, pits, boreholes, scientific experiments, and

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Speaker 4: so on. So what do you say, should we dive.

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Speaker 3: In to the holes? A few of them? Okay, then

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Speaker 3: let's plunk it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here are the facts. The world is full of holes,

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Speaker 4: and it's kind of weird that billions of people have

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Speaker 3: Uh. And there are still so.

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Speaker 4: Many partially or holy holy unexplored subterranean environments out there,

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Speaker 4: Like we're still finding enormous caves.

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Speaker 3: Remember that Disney movie Holes from the early two thousands.

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Speaker 3: This is called Holes I never saw. It's described of

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Speaker 3: Wikipedia as a neo Western comedy drama based on a

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Speaker 3: novel by Lewis Soccer from nineteen ninety eight, starring Sigourney Weaver,

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Speaker 3: Patricia Arquette, Shia Labouf, and John Voight. A couple problematic

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Speaker 3: figures in this Disney children's Yeah, it's about mysterious holes.

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Speaker 4: That's pre Cannibal Shia, right, sorry, pre cannibal controversy.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he said some odd things to some lady friends. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's right. Yeah, this is when he was a cute, little,

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Speaker 4: That's right. Okay, the nineties. So you know what, I'll

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Speaker 4: That would have been Yeah, okay, well we know in

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Speaker 4: real life, people just recently, just a few years ago,

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Speaker 3: No one had any.

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Speaker 4: Idea, at least officially, that it existed until now, like

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Speaker 4: throughout human history, and they it's so new it doesn't

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Speaker 4: have an official name yet. Its street name is the

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Speaker 4: Sarlac Pit like in Star Wars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sweet, yeah, it's huge, right, it was hidden for a

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Speaker 2: long time they discovered it, which is weird to think

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Speaker 4: Right, it's egregiously so, I mean, we always say humans

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Speaker 4: by accident. They were not looking for a cave. In

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Speaker 4: They hop on helicopters and they count cariboo every year.

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Speaker 3: can you turn that up? Two clicks?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay? Can warn something new every day? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Like notchez or you don't remember when in corporate America

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Speaker 2: But so these folks were looking for cariboo. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well the caribou fell in likely that's where they

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Speaker 4: His name's Bevin Ernst. And then they went back and

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it was covered in snow and it

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a climate change silver lining guys, right.

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Speaker 4: Think of all the new caves, think of all the

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Speaker 2: Several holes that we're going to be talking about today

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this one Starlac pit here is just one example,

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Speaker 3: You know, the old trope of the explorer discovering the

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Speaker 4: We're we're lucky to live very close comparatively to the

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but we do know that tuberculosis patients were

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Speaker 3: Yikes. Well with a name like the Sarlac Pit, I

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Speaker 3: sure hope they didn't discover any of those cannibalistic humanoid

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Speaker 3: Everyone's just screaming about it. It's apparently wonderful. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And that's just the beginning. So join us tonight we

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Speaker 4: ask what are the world's weirdest, most mysterious holes. Spoiler

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Speaker 4: there are a lot. This may end up being a

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Speaker 4: two parter. Will need your help, folks. Here's where it

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Speaker 4: gets crazy. The race to be the weirdest hole is

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Speaker 4: a surprisingly robust competition. There are tons of these. We're

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Speaker 4: and frankly, as more people start to encroach into environments

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you said at the top, I guess

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Speaker 3: probably a good place to start in terms of mysterious

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Speaker 3: bizarro hole related we should go to Mel's Hole. Ben,

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Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna laugh anymore when we refer to holes.

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Speaker 3: I'm all about it. I want to let's get weird

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Speaker 3: definitely kind of did a little not a deep, not

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Speaker 3: Mel's hole was is a bottomless pit. Which is an

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Speaker 3: interesting term, right, like the idea of a bottomless pit.

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Speaker 2: I was imagining the possibility of someone thinking they've discovered

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Speaker 3: And this alleged bottomless pit is meant to exist somewhere

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Speaker 3: Of course, Water said the hole was on his property,

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Speaker 3: Dead cows just thrown in there for good measure. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think about some callers who would call into Coast

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Speaker 3: Not stop it with technology that we have lost predecessors,

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Speaker 4: Knock it off a predecessor civilization. Shout out HB. Lovecraft.

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Speaker 2: That get gets into another set of like at least

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Speaker 4: And just like Mel's hole, the existence of some of

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Speaker 3: There's a hole at the bottom of the sea. There's

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Speaker 4: I know that SpongeBob taught me the US dollars supported

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Speaker 2: It's weird. I've seen these holes described in well they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and some of them are some of them are

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Speaker 2: But we're talking a major event, right, not like you

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Speaker 4: Did you guys see the thing about those holes out

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Speaker 4: talked about some of these. They look like someone took

437
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 4: a a serrated pizza cutter and just rolled it across

438
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 4: the ocean floor.

439
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: Whoa yeah, or like some kind of giant craft landed

440
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: and scraped.

441
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: To the bottom. You were on fire today, Matt, or

442
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 3: something like.

443
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: It has a what is it a snout of some

444
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: sort with just a single long row of teeth.

445
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: And it just keeps going suffs.

446
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: Oh dude, no, speaking of aeration, that's exactly what it

447
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: looks like, like a sing if you had a single

448
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: blade rator.

449
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: Is that a thing?

450
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: No, But if you had one, that's what it would

451
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: look like.

452
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: Your beer pizza cutter. Analogy I think holds.

453
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a serrator.

454
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, we could single blade arrator. I wonder

455
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 4: if that's the thing. I wonder if that's one of

456
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: those inventions we can make. Well, you know, like when

457
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: you only want a strip of grass.

458
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: Well, though it would be like a planting strip, it

459
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: would be like a planter. Those exist where they punch

460
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: holes at a certain distance apart from each other, but

461
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: in a singular line.

462
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 4: And this this is weird because our pals that Noah

463
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: have on their website a couple of fascinating statements about this,

464
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: and they say, they say, look, a scientist hypothesize that

465
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 4: the raised sediment may indicate excavation by an organism living

466
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 4: in the sediment, or digging and removal, perhaps via a

467
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 4: feeding appendage of a large animal on the sediment surface. Well,

468
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 4: shadows of Cthulhu, right.

469
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: M hm, saying out down there, he's got a heat,

470
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: he's got to dig for sea truffles.

471
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: I just want, I want a large, previous, unknown maritime

472
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: animal to be discovered right in the modern day past

473
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: the colossal squid, I get it. I'm not trying to

474
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 4: be spoiled about it, but it'd be great to have

475
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 4: another one too.

476
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: It can be squid like, right, it can certainly have

477
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: tentacles and perhaps demonic wings and giant glowing red eyes.

478
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, I have a feeling that's gonna happen sooner than

479
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: we may think, and like absolutely is gonna happen, because

480
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure we haven't talked about it openly, I don't think.

481
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: But the vast majority of the focus in the future

482
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: on UAP is planning to be underwater, so like usos

483
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: are the unidentified some merged objects. So I really do

484
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: feel like as more and more eyes are on the

485
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: bottom of the ocean in different places and far flung

486
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: places that humans don't generally go to or feel like

487
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: they need to research because there's not gonna be some

488
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: to undersee mining in those regions or something. We're gonna

489
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: discover stuff.

490
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: We talked about this a little bit with Amua Mua

491
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 4: and the research in Papua New Guinea which continues today. Right, Also,

492
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 4: the FEDS are showing a strange amount of interest in

493
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 4: the Galileo project, and I don't love it well. Which

494
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 4: one is that the Galileo Project is the one out

495
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: of Harvard that is trying to search for technological signatures

496
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 4: from other civilizations. But the people, a lot of the

497
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 4: people who are associated with Galileo are also increasingly focused

498
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: on this underwater USO search, right, Unidentified submerged object or

499
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: trans medium object.

500
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Speaker 3: You guys, A quick quick minor de realm and not

501
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: really And I'll definitely keep this in the back pocket

502
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: for strange news. But did you read about that Harvard

503
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: study that suggests that aliens might be living among us

504
00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: in disguise, either underground or on the moon. What? Yeah.

505
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: The Human Flourishing Program of Harvard University also said that

506
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: UFOs might be alien spaceships that are visiting to meet

507
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: their alien friends living on Earth. So I don't know

508
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: much about this human flourishing product. Even like Giant, you know,

509
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: well respected Ivy League universities could have programs that would

510
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: seem fringy, but that, yeah, it's going to be one

511
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: that might rather be a Harvard. I'm fascinating. I want

512
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: to read more, but I just wanted to mention that,

513
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: especially given the underground aspect of these findings, what they

514
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: call them, crypto terrestrials. We'll get into it. They did it.

515
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember hearing this is Yes,

516
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: this is great for strange news. We also know that

517
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: the exploration of these weird underwater holes we just gave

518
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: you two examples, there are many, many more, and given

519
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: the sheer vastness of the seas, it is statistically inevitable

520
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: that there's more stuff out there we do not know about.

521
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: You know, creature that lie dead yet dreaming, right, waiting,

522
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: estivating for their opportunity to consume the minds of the

523
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: surface world, sunk in cities, hidden caverns that go on

524
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: and on for unlit miles. I'm feeling it. Yeah, I

525
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: hope we find more.

526
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are bro I'm loving it, thanks man.

527
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 4: We also know that there are so many different types

528
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Speaker 4: of mysterious holes. It may be surprising for some of

529
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 4: us in the audience today to learn that some of

530
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Speaker 4: the more mysterious ones are made by people. We know

531
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Speaker 4: exactly when they were made, we know ostensibly why they

532
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: were made, and in a few cases there are rumors

533
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 4: about why they were actually sealed back up after spending

534
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 4: you know, the equivalent of billions dollars.

535
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, come on, now, we got to know how

536
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: deep this thing goes. We got all these egg heads

537
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: telling us what's at the center of this thing we

538
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: call Earth. Why not drill down there and see for ourselves.

539
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: Memory back to the space race in the Cold War,

540
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: and someone, maybe in a boardroom or at a meeting

541
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: in Soviet Russia, says, well, if the Americans are going

542
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 4: to try to beat us to the moon, why don't

543
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: we race to the bottom. They built the cola super

544
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: deep borehole. This was in response to another weird hole

545
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 4: the US was building. But it's from the late sixties

546
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 4: the early nineteen nineties. They built the deepest artificially created

547
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: hole on Earth, and then they sealed it up.

548
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what will they find down there?

549
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 3: Oh man, you know, we'll get the official version.

550
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: It's weird because it's like the race to build the

551
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 4: highest skyscraper. Are people just running toward hyperbole? But there

552
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: is a lot of science involved.

553
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: You know.

554
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 4: It does teach us a lot about geology. The end

555
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: goal is to reach Earth's mantle. Everything that humans have

556
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: done is terms of digging into the surface. We have

557
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: never dug a hole deep enough to get to the mantle.

558
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 4: Where's still just a bunch of crusty folks because we're

559
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: in the crust, the crust of the hole.

560
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: Stop it will continue to please. Fine, this is making

561
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: my day really quickly. Are we about to leave the sea?

562
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: Are we leaving the sea? Yeah? We're in the man

563
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: made holes as we leave the sea. The song that

564
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: verages at the top of the segment the hole in

565
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: the bottom of the sea is what they call a

566
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Speaker 3: It's like an escalating song. So the last verse is

567
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: there's a smile on the flea, on the fly, on

568
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: the war on the frog, on the bump on the

569
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Speaker 3: log in the hole on the bottom of the sea.

570
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, it goes verse by verse adding it another

571
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: dumb thing, and it's been done many many different ways

572
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: by many many different children's performers. So perhaps there could

573
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: be a sinister aspect to the Hole in the Bottom

574
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: of the Sea song. If anyone out there in conspiracy

575
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: Land wants to write one up, send it our way.

576
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: That seriously at iHeartRadio dot com.

577
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: Sounds like it speaks to the fractal nature of the universe. Guys,

578
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: it gets as bigger as it gets smaller.

579
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

580
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 4: Oh, wheels within worlds within worlds, all the universe and

581
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 4: a grain of sand. No wow, Yeah, so this also

582
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 4: you could tell we've got Friday energy here today, folks.

583
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Speaker 3: We hope you enjoy it. Effie. Yeah.

584
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: The mantle of Earth is forty percent or more of

585
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: the planet. There's radius of four thousand miles.

586
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: It is. It just it's right like a layer cake.

587
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: It's right under the crust, and it sort of heaves

588
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 4: up and down. Picture it kind of breathing or rotating.

589
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: Because Earth is very much alive. Shout out to the

590
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 4: Gaya superorganism hypothesis, and the crust, the part that humans

591
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: are mainly concerned with. It's uneven and it's just a

592
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 4: little tiny portion. It's like the crust on a krim brewlay.

593
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: It's three to twenty five miles thick.

594
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: Are you all picturing those infographics from your middle school

595
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: textbooks right now? The kind of bisected earth you know,

596
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: with like the different layers labeled than the the me

597
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: your mints and all of that stuff. It's boom, Yeah,

598
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: it's burned into my memory.

599
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a dummy. I need someone to

600
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: write in or call us to explain how humanity understands

601
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: that the mantle is one eight hundred miles thick and

602
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: understands what is deeper than that mantle right towards the course, right,

603
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: But we're saying the deepest hole here that we've ever

604
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: dug is an attempt to reach the mantle, right, and

605
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: we we I guess we failed, or maybe they were

606
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: successful to hit the mantle and that's why they stopped

607
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: because the mantle is something different.

608
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

609
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 4: Officially, so yes, geologist fulcanologists, we want to hang out

610
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: with you. Officially, the hole took about twenty years to

611
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 4: reach a depth of around seven and a half miles.

612
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 4: But when you're hearing this right, you might be thinking

613
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: of the wrong kind of this is just not when

614
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: it gets down to the business. It's just nine inches

615
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: in diameter because of all the pressure from the rock

616
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 4: right increasing temperature. The Americans had their own thing, Project

617
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: Mohole in nineteen fifty eight, but they quit in sixty six,

618
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: and the Russians just kept going. Man, that that seven

619
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 4: point five miles or so, that is at best maybe

620
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: halfway to the mantle, probably less o.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, guys, quick point of scientific clarification. The a lot

622
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Speaker 3: of mantle studies and just in general the bisection of

623
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Speaker 3: the layers of the earth are but through the study

624
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: of seismic waves. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, and vibrations.

625
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: So it's like learning to cover up. Yeah. I also

626
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 3: that that's not convinced.

627
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's not that I'm not convinced, it's just yeah,

628
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's this this feeling that we really know,

629
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: we really understand. I keep thinking back to my the

630
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: science textbooks from elementary school, middle school, even college that

631
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: are just so, yeah, this is exactly what the Earth

632
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: is made up of. These are the elements that may

633
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 2: make it up.

634
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: And sometimes they turned out to be confidently incorrect.

635
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: How much have we learned about things like particle physics

636
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: that were just fully wrong back then or absolutely often

637
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: enough to where it changes our understanding of all the

638
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: stuff we learned as kids.

639
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 3: Well, but think about all of the materials that are

640
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: extruded by the Earth during different seismic events, you know,

641
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: like rocks that have risen due to convection and things

642
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: like that. Like, that's another way they can study it too.

643
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: It's like, maybe we spits up every now.

644
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 4: Maybe we've only been focusing on the bad volcanoes. Maybe

645
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 4: there are volcanoes that erupt nod magma stuff, you know,

646
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 4: like flower flowers. I don't know, you know, it'd be

647
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: cool if there was a volcano that erupted and in

648
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 4: chocolate volcano, a chocolate volcano, or a secret a secret

649
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: civilization of underground folks who are just like, hey, we're

650
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 4: not sinister. It took us a while to find the.

651
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: Door at the center of the Bubba Gub Kingdom. I

652
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: love this world.

653
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Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to think that I, or Re

654
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Speaker 2: or anybody here is saying that we just don't believe

655
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: the science. I think it's more it's tough for me

656
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: to believe that we have such a full understanding of

657
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: some of these things at this moment rather than saying,

658
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: to our best knowledge, this is what the makeup of

659
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: the earth and layers are.

660
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, we also know that the science has to continue.

661
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: And again, what defeats the human mind and a lot

662
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 4: of these pursuits is just the immensity of scale. It's

663
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: just the sheer size difference here.

664
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: And we know.

665
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: Okay, so these incredibly ambitious, brilliant people in Russia build

666
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: the world's deepest hole and eventually, okay, here's the legend.

667
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 4: The modern legend is just like the dwarves and morea,

668
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: the Soviets dug too deep in pursuit of eldritch powers,

669
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 4: and they found mysterious fossils, and then, without hesitation, they

670
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: sealed up the hole and vowed never to reopen it

671
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: lest the world be imperiled.

672
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: They found an iPhone down there, they found it's.

673
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: A future hole.

674
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: They found a box of old playboys. Right, No, no,

675
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: we've got to keep.

676
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: This for us. Oh no, Matt, my picture when you

677
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: say they found an iPhone down there that they found

678
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: like it shouldn't. There shouldn't be an iPhone down there.

679
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: No man has ever been down there.

680
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety seven or whatever.

681
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's what I thought you were getting hit

682
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: And it was some sort of portal. Yes, thank you,

683
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: just making sure we're on the same page.

684
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: We're on the same page. They did find really weird,

685
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: unexpected things. Four miles down they found two billion year

686
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: old fossils of microscoptic planked And that part is true.

687
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: It also stumbled upon the microscopic plant. Yeah, they're just

688
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 3: like paper.

689
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they said, oh crap, it's a rock. So

690
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: we also know that the hole is sealed. That part

691
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 4: is also arguably true. But the real reason for sealing

692
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 4: it up, the official one at least comes from the

693
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: Smithsonian has a great summation of it. They say, quote,

694
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 4: the Cola hole was abandoned in nineteen ninety two when

695
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: drillers experienced higher than expected temperatures three hundred and fifty

696
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 4: six degrees fahrenheit instead of the two hundred and twelve

697
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 4: degrees that they had mapped up to that point. So

698
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: what that means is, again, because this is a living,

699
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 4: dynamic environment, it's changeable, that it means maybe things could

700
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 4: have gone wrong quickly. What does that higher temperature indicate.

701
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: I love the way they put it. It's such a

702
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: visual thing. The idea of the surrounding materials were so

703
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: hot and essentially almost liquid. I guess you know that

704
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: the temperature would absolutely annihilate their equipment. It was dangerous

705
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: as hell to occupy. The more liquid the environment became,

706
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: the harder it was to maintain that that drill. And

707
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: the thing I liked with the Smithsonian said was it's

708
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: like trying to keep a pit in the center of

709
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: a pot of hot soup. Because I got immediately picture

710
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 3: trying to do that. It would require constant churning, you know,

711
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: and the moment you stop it just you know, closes

712
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: in on itself.

713
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a hard stance here, guys, I say

714
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: you you do stop and then you put new equipment

715
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: down there that's soup based rather than rock based.

716
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, laterle you switched to it like a latter situation.

717
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, Come on, man, a straw you know

718
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: what I mean?

719
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: Super beat straw beat soup.

720
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: Or at least something that could get through that more

721
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: easily to continue on its journey down that's weighted. I

722
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: don't know, right.

723
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great.

724
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: We're calling Russia and that soup quote comes to us

725
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: courtesy of Benjamin Andrews, who's the curator for the National

726
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: Rock and Work Collection at the National Museum in Natural History.

727
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 4: So he does know what he's talking about.

728
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he also does. It makes all of his He

729
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: does all of his science explaining through soup metaphors, which

730
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: I think is really powerful because that's something we could

731
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: all get behind.

732
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: Dude, I had carrot soup last night.

733
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 3: It's so good. Did you make it yourself? No, it's

734
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: not hard. You just you know, pure the crap out

735
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: of the carrots and then add some nice cream a little.

736
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 4: Oh, of course, of course I put garlic in everything. Actually,

737
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 4: all the stereotypes are true.

738
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: Indian spices go really well, and a carrot soup. I

739
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 3: made a carrot and coriander soup one time. It was fabulous.

740
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: And well.

741
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 4: All the experts, of course, agree on this Russian super

742
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 4: boor story.

743
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: Uh, just like it.

744
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 4: The temperature makes way more sense than the idea of

745
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: an Eldritch conspiracy. But the Eltritch love crafting conspiracy story

746
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: is so tantalizing that it's just too good not to

747
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 4: not to contemplate. And we have to ask, would it

748
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 4: be a would it be possible to cover us up

749
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 4: something of that magnitude.

750
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: If so, what would you cover up? And why have

751
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: you guys seen the new kind of reboots of the

752
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: Godzilla Kong universe. I believe Legendary Pictures is responsible for

753
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: Hollow Earth. Yeah, the Hollow Earth thing. And there's like

754
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: the idea of these these creatures living in this like past,

755
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: the land that time forgot that exists deep, deep, deep,

756
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: deep deep within the earth. I think that's you know, uh,

757
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: you know, certainly inspired by this type of thinking. Yeah.

758
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: Also that great TV show Land of the Lost.

759
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: In the Land of the Lost, yeah, banging theme song,

760
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah the Loss. Maybe, Well, nostalgia is a heck of

761
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: a drug.

762
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 4: As we explored in some other episodes, We're going to

763
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: take a break for word from our sponsors and we're

764
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: gonna hit you with some even crazier news. Not all

765
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 4: mysterious holes are on Earth. You know, you ever meet

766
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: someone you're like, Wow, your holes are out of this world.

767
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: One time, it's a really good pickup line, man, I'm

768
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: gonna try that. Oh really, did you know? The Land

769
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: of the Loss is get created by the same team

770
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 3: that did hr puffin stuff, Sid and Marty Croft. As

771
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 3: it's now that I think back on it. It's very

772
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 3: puppet based, just like Puff and Stuff was, but lots

773
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: of crazy dinosaur puppets and things. But I want to

774
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: go back on what There was a Will Ferrell movie

775
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: reboot of it, but the show from the I believe

776
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 3: the seventies is gonna be a fun, fun revisit.

777
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: I like the Slee Stack. I love a villain. The

778
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: slee Stacks were the the reptilian humanoid creatures, all right,

779
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: shout out Slee Stacks.

780
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: Oh. It reminds me of the time Machine, the HG.

781
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: Wells novel where you had the Murlocks and the Eloys

782
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: or whatever, and which was the Murlocks were the underground

783
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: dwellers that like really couldn't hang in the sun.

784
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 4: The yeah, the Morlocks were they can.

785
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: They come and snatch up the Eloy's animal.

786
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 4: Industrial class who became the Rulers and HG. Wells a

787
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 4: whole other bag of badgers. But just this week, you

788
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 4: guys news broke about weird holes on the planet Mars.

789
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 4: Strange pits are being discovered there. There's a lot of

790
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 4: Martian news that's pretty interesting. Some water actually froze on

791
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: there right pretty recently.

792
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: But now this isn't just your average crater, right. You know,

793
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: we think of the surface of Mars is you know,

794
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 3: pocked with these craters, but those are more what's the

795
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 3: word superficial then what you're talking about, Ben, Right, Well,

796
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: we yeah, we don't know how deep they go.

797
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 2: But the exciting part is they might go really deep

798
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: because they're on the side of a ginormous extinct volcano.

799
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: And if they do go really deep, there's some cool

800
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: implications for us humans.

801
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, picture this fellow would be astronauts. Your new home

802
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: on Mars. Why it's not a mobile home. It's not

803
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 4: a split level condo. No, your very own lava tube.

804
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 4: It's like a new kind of shotgun house because.

805
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: It might need to work on the brand.

806
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, I'm imagining it like lava tube apartment complexes, right,

807
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: I mean this is it's a real build.

808
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: Floors into the structure, right, it's like a silo. You

809
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: think of it like that.

810
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: But it's a stark outlook.

811
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends on it's definitely not going to be

812
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 4: a pleasant life for the pioneers, and it also depends

813
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 4: on the size of the lava tube. I mean it's

814
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: an esthetic choice. Would you personally want to have the

815
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 4: privacy of your own smaller lava tube or do you

816
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 4: want to share a gigantic one and have a studio apartment.

817
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 3: That's what it would be. You'd get like one loft

818
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: type floor. Because how wide are we talking? And the

819
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: depth I understand various, But are they of uniform width

820
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: or is that pretty all over the place too?

821
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: You know what, Noel, actually don't have that handy, but

822
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 4: we know this indicates it's probably there are probably more

823
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 4: than one pits of this nature, and if they go

824
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: down farough, then they could be the new home for

825
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 4: future human astronauts. Not because of the pleasant decor, but

826
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 4: because they will solve one of the biggest problems with

827
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: humans on Mars. The first one is getting people tomorrow safely.

828
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: The second is keeping them alive on that planet. And

829
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 4: one of the big problems with keeping them alive is

830
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 4: the radiation. You are a smacked bad on Mars.

831
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know you mitigate that with you know,

832
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 3: a suit of some kind of guys. Are we also

833
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: thinking that this might indicate there are cave systems on Mars.

834
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: That's the hope, right, I guess. So the hope is, oh,

835
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: and by the way, the hole that was seen by

836
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: the Mars Or Coronassance orbiter was only a few meters

837
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: across according to popular mechanics.

838
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: Okay, it's like enough. That's not enough for a dwelling.

839
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be just an entrance, right, it might

840
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 4: be really big in the beginning, right, Like have you

841
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 4: ever walked into I love the homes that have that

842
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: mysterious appearance, you know, you you open a door and

843
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 4: it seems to be a tiny structure. I was in

844
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 4: a place one time. No, it was definitely a bunker.

845
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: I was called a nice I was gonna call a

846
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 4: secret house for some reason. It's definitely bunker. You know,

847
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 4: one person, like a little door you would open and

848
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 4: all their all you see there is a steep incline

849
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 4: of stairs, and when you got downstairs, it was like

850
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: an entire actually really nice house.

851
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: You know. It's interesting. A lot of the big houses

852
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: in Hollywood or like in like Malibu and stuff. Like

853
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: from the street view, the facade or the front part

854
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: of the house that you see looks like a pretty

855
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: modest home, but the whole the rest of the house

856
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: is built on the back of this cliff and it

857
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: just goes down, down, down, down, and continues jutting out,

858
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: you know, over the sea, and they're insane, but like,

859
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: if you actually just go out of the street, it

860
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: looks like a meager, little kind of bungalow.

861
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: We're hoping, we're hoping that the humble appearance belies a

862
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 4: greater interior, and we're hoping it leads to a cavern system.

863
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 4: Like you're saying that it's a radiation from space on Mars.

864
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 4: Due to the thin atmosphere, it's forty to fifty times

865
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 4: higher than anything you will experience in an environment here

866
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: on Earth. And this also has a bigger question because

867
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: it's not just about humans these environments. If the stuff

868
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 4: we know about cave systems is similar to what we

869
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 4: know about Mars, they could have been the perfect place

870
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 4: for maybe a form of Martian life.

871
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because we don't know how far back the

872
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: potential for life goes. We do because we estimate how

873
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: old Mars is right in relation to the star that

874
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 2: we all orbit around.

875
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 4: Again, how confident are we in that?

876
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

877
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 2: Pretty confident?

878
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: I hope. I wait, so you don't have geology.

879
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is I hope. I'm I feel

880
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: so dumb because I don't. No, I do. I don't know, man,

881
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: I think I get all jumbled up because it just

882
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: the confidence of knowing how long a star has been

883
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: around makes sense to me in a weird way that

884
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: the center of the Earth doesn't. Because we've observed we

885
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: can actually observe the star. We cannot observe the center

886
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: of the Earth. We can get hints of it through things,

887
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: as you're saying, like what.

888
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: It's actions and effects.

889
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: What sounds, what waves it makes? Right, But we can

890
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: look out there at the star and we can go

891
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: kind of spend time backwards in a lot of ways

892
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: with our models. But just sorry, I'm just still thinking

893
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: about Mars and this radiation thing. Yeah, because the fact

894
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: that that planet doesn't have a magnetosphere, and we just

895
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: experienced a major coronal mass ejection that hit the Earth,

896
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: and the only reason why we didn't have major problems

897
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: is because our planet has that handy magnetosphere that that

898
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: stops things from happening, and that creates that stops the

899
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: radiation in these bursts from hitting us.

900
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: Freaking Goldilock zone stuff. It's wild that these conditions are

901
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 3: just so perfectly conducive. Does not frying or dying of

902
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: radiation point.

903
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: But we're like, yeah, man, let's get to this rock

904
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: that's not shielded at all and hopefully we can be

905
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 2: okay and these maybe volcanoes.

906
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, well doubt what we get there. Did you know

907
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: you can get a whole hazarmat soup for just one

908
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: hundred and forty bucks. Ah, the price went down, I guess.

909
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 3: So now I will say I was sort of taken

910
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: a little bit aback because the image on the site

911
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: mirror safety dot com includes a really dope respirator mask

912
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: that is not included that is two fifty on its own.

913
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 4: Ah. Yeah, the mask one of the key parts. We

914
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 4: also know that there are pits like this on the

915
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 4: Moon as well, or similar things, right, And just like that,

916
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 4: it's difficult to explore a cavern here on Earth when

917
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 4: you can get actual boots on the ground. It's even

918
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: more difficult to explore something so very far away. But

919
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 4: the Moon pit temperatures get this estimated around sixty three

920
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 4: degrees fahrenheit, so actually very amenable for human presence. If such,

921
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: if similar conditions could exist on Mars, then it would

922
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: go a long long way to making the dream of

923
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: second human planet a reality or you know, you pick

924
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 4: your poison returning to the original planet.

925
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: Hey, it's gonna ben. I think you're right, dude.

926
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: What was it? Bray, who wrote Hindline wrote Red Planet, right, Yeah,

927
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: Red Planet. It's just I don't know, I haven't read

928
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: it in a long time, but it is a I

929
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: do recall it being a really cool, uh highline novel

930
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: about colonizing Mars, and I'm pretty sure there are some

931
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 3: cave situations and when they kind of get into exploring

932
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: the you know, the it's a little bit more of

933
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: a Mars. I think that's been terraformed and that has

934
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: you know, actual life. It's able to support life to

935
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 3: some degree. But probably worth a revisit thinking about this stuff.

936
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, one of the most recent books about

937
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: Mars that I really enjoyed was The Strange by Nathan ballingrud.

938
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 4: I don't even want to spoil it, man, I'm not

939
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 4: even sure what genre it is. Nathan uh who I've

940
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 4: spoke with over a few years. Nathan is very much

941
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 4: considered a horror writer. Like he he had several things

942
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 4: adapted from from his previous anthologies. But I wouldn't call

943
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 4: The Strange a horror novel. God, I want to know

944
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: if anybody else has read that one, because it stays

945
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 4: with me. It's like kind of a Western all right,

946
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 4: you know what that sounds great?

947
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: No, I've I have pledged y'all sit right here out

948
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 3: laugh for all to hear, to read a book this year.

949
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: By end of the year's time, I will have read

950
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: a book. Damn you. Maybe that'll be the one.

951
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So the brief, the brief backstory I want

952
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 4: to keep us too long on this is that uh there,

953
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 4: it's an altered universe. But people live on Mars now

954
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: and the project to get humans to Mars has lost steam,

955
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 4: it has failed. It's dying civilization and the stressful planet.

956
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 4: So I think that kind of Ah, it's so good.

957
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: I might read it again. Yeah, but as we're speaking of,

958
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 4: you know, we've been going for a while now. We

959
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: said this might end up being two parter. There's several

960
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 4: other places we have to go or at least shout out.

961
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 4: One of them is the son Dong Cave in Vietnam.

962
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 4: It is the largest cave in the world is also

963
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 4: the most unexplored. It is super difficult to get in.

964
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 4: Only one thousand people per year can visit, and it's

965
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 4: three grand per person just for the tour. And this thing,

966
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 4: despite its huge size, it wasn't discovered till nineteen ninety one.

967
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: Dudes, bro, that's less than the Star Wars Galaxy Star Cruiser,

968
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 3: Hotel Debacle situation, fake spaceship five thousand dollars a person

969
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 3: for two days. I think you've outlined a pretty solid

970
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 3: bargain there, my friend, dude.

971
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 4: Look, please, please, folks, if you have not heard of

972
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 4: this before, it's spelled son spaceed doo n G cave,

973
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 4: please check out the videos or the three D tours.

974
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: It is probably the.

975
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 4: Closest thing humanity is found to a underground world or

976
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 4: a hollow earth. The scale is a mint. I want

977
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 4: to go so bad.

978
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite parts about the parts of

979
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 3: elden Ring that I did finish, where you'll find some

980
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: well and then you hit a lever and you just

981
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: go down, down, down, down down for ages, and then

982
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: you're in this like I think maybe it's one place

983
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: in particular, but I bet it happens more than the ones,

984
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: and you're just in this underground thing where it like

985
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 3: has a night sky. It's unbelievable, the scale of it,

986
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 3: and then it's inhabited by these like weird crystally people

987
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: that murder you instantly with impunity. Yeah, you gotta get

988
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: your levels right, You sure do, buddy, And I never

989
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: quite got the balance hit that figure. Get good, as

990
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: they say, Yeah, yeah, I never. I never got good.

991
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 3: I stayed bad, oh man bad, like Michael Jack. Well,

992
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 3: we can't say that anymore. Bad to the boat. Skyrim

993
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: is much more on my speed. It's a little it's

994
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 3: a little more forgiving.

995
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: They also have one of those places, a cave that

996
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: seems to almost have a sky because of the mycelium and.

997
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 3: Sky re blackreach. I don't think i've gotten there yet.

998
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: I don't think i've seen it in any of my playthroughs.

999
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: So that's exciting because I love that. I just started

1000
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 3: the Dawn Guard and it gives you a whole other

1001
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: set of environments which kick butt. So I love discovering

1002
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 3: new things because that game can't get a little samy

1003
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 3: if you're just fast traveling between the villages to sell

1004
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: your stuff. I like it. I love everything about it.

1005
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: It's a great game.

1006
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 4: I kept my old PS four entirely because I have

1007
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: one hundred percent play through in there, and sometimes I'll

1008
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: just turn it on and it's weird.

1009
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: RPG that turned into the SIMS.

1010
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 4: Now, I just like walk around and I kid you,

1011
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 4: not soup, you know, I find I go grocery shopping

1012
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 4: in this fate whatever, what's your.

1013
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 3: Go to soup? I like to make a vegetable stew

1014
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 3: or vegetable stew's good. Yeah, yeah, it's just got good stats.

1015
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: But Ben, I mean, was it Fallout four? They kind

1016
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 3: of sim fives the hell out of that game. It's

1017
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 3: sort of pissed some people off with all of the

1018
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 3: settlement buildings and stuff like. It's kind of annoying. It's

1019
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 3: something that I've really ever gotten into. But I love

1020
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: the idea of just exploring the world you've built for yourself. Ben.

1021
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 4: It's a weird one, but it's better spending money right

1022
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 4: going outside. So we also know, all right, there are

1023
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 4: so many other things we have to get to that

1024
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: will may they may have to be in a second episode.

1025
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 4: But this cave in Vietnam first got explored in two

1026
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, and people still don't know how far

1027
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: it goes or where it goes. And then they've got

1028
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: the stories of the burning pits like Centralia, Pennsylvania, the

1029
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 4: Mouth of Hell, or the Gate to Hell, the Darvaza

1030
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 4: gas creator in Turkmenistan. Those I don't think are mysterious.

1031
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: We know human error created them. But the biggest mystery

1032
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 4: is when are they going to stop burning? Even now

1033
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 4: we're not entirely sure.

1034
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 3: I mean that sounds like hell to me. You know,

1035
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: it's just constantly on fire, yeah, all the time. I mean,

1036
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 3: give me a break.

1037
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 4: We also we also have to go back to a

1038
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 4: great hobby horse of ours over the years, Antarctica. I

1039
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 4: don't know why I said it, like that Antarctica stuff

1040
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 4: like the ice cube, neutrino observatory down there in the street.

1041
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 3: You say observatory to match your pronunciation of Antarctica. I

1042
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 3: love it. I love it. But I'm sorry.

1043
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 4: We're great, But we remember the ice cube, the neutrino observatory, right,

1044
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 4: I don't.

1045
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: Know if I do, but that's I mean, it sounds fancy.

1046
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 4: I know.

1047
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 3: The neutrino is a real serious, tiny particle, right.

1048
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: It's literally a giant cube of a bunch of different sensors.

1049
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: Oh, I got a ray of Yeah, I got you.

1050
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: And there's a particular individual whose name I cannot think

1051
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: of right now, who is a you know, self styled

1052
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: whistleblower who says he was working there and believes that

1053
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: it is not just an observatory, it's these are not

1054
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: just detectors in the ice. These are also things that

1055
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: can work together to emit some type of energy.

1056
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 4: Then Bob Blazar, definitely he's talking about a different thing.

1057
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 4: I know, I remember what you're talking about. That they

1058
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 4: were making energy.

1059
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 3: Like a sonic we like a sonic weapon like or

1060
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: something like that.

1061
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: An energy weapon similar to the ones alleged to exist

1062
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: at HARP.

1063
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: HARP is what was coming to mind, right right.

1064
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 2: You can find this, but I've never seen it substantiated

1065
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: by anybody else.

1066
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 4: I know. It's Eric Hecker Raytheon contractor, and he claimed that,

1067
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 4: similar to earlier HARP theories, that the ice cube neutrino

1068
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 4: observatory actually created some earthquakes.

1069
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and at least do other weird energy.

1070
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: Could be harnessed, you know, intentionally if if if the

1071
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: mood struck them. So that's the thing.

1072
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 4: Check out our episodes on that. You can also check

1073
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 4: out What's beneath the Antarctic ice that was that was

1074
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 4: a groovy one for us. In our video days as well,

1075
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 4: we were talking a little bit off here about just

1076
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 4: how how weird Antarctica is. We foreshadowed this a little bit.

1077
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 4: This is a great time for Antarctic science because of

1078
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 4: climate change. Right, it will ultimately lead to large scale

1079
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 4: disasters as the ice sheets, as the ice sheets start

1080
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 4: transforming away from being ice sheets.

1081
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 3: But sure it's not a Chinese hoax though, ben ice

1082
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: climate change.

1083
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, okay, because I'm fifty to fifty on ice.

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Speaker 3: That would be a great campaign to mount ice. Isn't real?

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Speaker 3: Show me? The show proved me wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want another thing to search about Antarctic

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Speaker 2: ice and Arctic ice, you can look up a thing

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Speaker 2: that is known as the moud rise m a U

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Speaker 2: d ri i s E paulinya, which is spelled p

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Speaker 2: o l y n y a. It is just an

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Speaker 2: interesting thing about well, this one, the moud rise one

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01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: is a specific hole that opens up periodically in the

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Speaker 2: Antarctic ice pretty near the shore of Antarctica, and scientists,

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Speaker 2: for a long time we're trying to figure out why

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Speaker 2: the heck this thing opens and kind of closes and

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Speaker 2: again this isn't an ice sheet. So if you imagine

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Speaker 2: ice on the sea forming right as a sheet, and

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Speaker 2: then this hole opens up, the thing is the hole

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Speaker 2: is sometimes the size of New zealand sometimes the size

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Speaker 2: of Maine.

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Speaker 3: It's huge. It's the scale again. So when are we going.

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Speaker 3: Let's just I got to hit up Arii first and

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Speaker 3: get some spelunking gear. But I'm down.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's do We got to do it in the

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Speaker 2: winter time, so I don't know what winter is in Antarco.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't it kind of per moment? Does it really change? Yes? Much?

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01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ice sheet forms and like goes juts out

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01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 2: into the sea and then recedes back.

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Speaker 3: I see, I see, I see, I make I see. Uh.

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Speaker 4: So the uh the slight discoursion here. It is so fascinating.

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Speaker 4: We also had an episode on how murder is handled

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Speaker 4: in Antarctica for crime in general, and it's a.

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Speaker 3: Gray area kind of right, like it's yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 4: Well, who gets jurisdiction, right, because there's so many of.

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Speaker 3: Those research stations that are under different national whatever. Technically

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01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 3: it's like an embassy or something, right.

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Speaker 4: Right, And despite the earlier ambitions of New Swabia, there

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Speaker 4: is no government that owns Antarctica. And I got so

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Speaker 4: close to being able to travel there, not once, but twice.

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Speaker 4: It's still on the list. It's just kind of uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, not selling cheap skate. It's a little pricey.

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Speaker 3: But I gotta say, though, Ben, you're quite the adventurer.

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Speaker 3: You've had some adventure Tarctic. We gotta go, man. I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying, yeah, you to your list. You'll be up

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Speaker 3: there with like a Teddy Roosevelt esque kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: naturalists type figure. You know.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, well, let's let's all go. Let's Antarctica.

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Speaker 3: Paul.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to assume you're in, so I'll just venmo

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Speaker 4: you for the tickets.

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Speaker 3: I'll just bring my puffy coat. I'll probably just and Matt,

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01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 3: sorry Matt to suffer through that riffing there.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm bringing my ice climbing stuff so I

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01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: can get over this ice wall that everybody.

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Speaker 3: Sp spiky shoes, and what about those those picks, those

1136
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:51,919
Speaker 3: like pyth looking things, those are sick. Yeah. The carabineers, well,

1137
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 3: Carbiners is the little clickie boys that connect those for

1138
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 3: the rope. You gotta have kidding you think We're not

1139
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 3: going to bring garbineers all the way out here. We

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01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 3: forgot the Caribean. How will I clip my keys to

1141
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: my belt? I'll certainly lose them in the Arctic tundra.

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Speaker 4: I will pitch that I don't love reality TV, but

1143
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 4: I will pitch this for us as a documentary, as

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01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 4: a limited series documentary on Netflix.

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01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 3: It rival of the North. Dude.

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Speaker 2: No, it'll be the It will be the biggest thing

1147
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: to hit Discovery since ice road truckers. It'll be ice

1148
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 2: wall climbers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there it is amateurs, not even amateur, like what's

1150
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 3: what's below amateur?

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Speaker 4: Our qualifications include enthusiasm.

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01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, that's enthusiasm, naked, frozen, and afraid. Oh man.

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, we also know their deep, deep water

1154
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 4: filled sinkholes like Elzaton.

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Speaker 3: Gravity to it, doesn't it looks a beautiful Yeah, the

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01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 3: blue hole out there in the water. Man.

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Speaker 4: We think though, that the most out there question is

1158
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 4: something we can answer a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It could there be something like a hollow earth.

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Speaker 4: Science again seems pretty certain about the nature of the

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Speaker 4: planet's interior, so a fully hollow earth feels like something

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01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 4: that either doesn't make sense or we would have heard

1163
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 4: about before.

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Speaker 2: But what about eight miles deep?

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01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 3: Exactly? All right?

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Speaker 4: We never got there about what about a huge, absolutely

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01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 4: locked off, self contained subterranean environment that is miles and

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Speaker 4: miles miles and miles long enough or wide enough. The

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01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 4: breadth of it is such that if you are a

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Speaker 4: human sized human walking around in there, you'll think, holy smokes,

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Speaker 4: there is a hollow earth.

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Speaker 3: I'm in it. Even if it's like the size of U.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to pick a really big one the

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01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 4: size of New Hampshire hm, or forget it, the size

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01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,479
Speaker 4: of you'd be like, wow, this is real, dude.

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01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: What if there's a Texas sized dome that is covered

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 2: in some kind of heat resistant mineral that formed over

1178
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: millions and millions of years.

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Speaker 3: And it's so on board, dude.

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Speaker 2: They're down there and they're just like, uh, well, we're

1181
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: the most people and actually life's pretty great. And the

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01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: moment that they encounter humanity.

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Speaker 3: Yes, instant porn addiction, you know, like, well, they probably

1184
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 3: have their own kind of predilection. That's a good point.

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Speaker 4: They probably would be like, no, we call ourselves the people, yeah,

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01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 4: because that's how those things work.

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Speaker 3: We actually we call you the dirt walkers. Oh, that's right,

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Speaker 3: because their language would definitely immediately resemble ours one to one.

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Speaker 4: Right, And you know, the the real question is the

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Speaker 4: size and scale. It's then therefore possible we could even say,

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Speaker 4: plus that there are undiscovered subterranean areas like we're describing,

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01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 4: big enough for humans to consider them another world, you know, unless,

1193
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 4: of course, there's something they don't want you to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and undiscovered countries of sorts. Shout out to Max

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Speaker 3: Williams for the Star Trek.

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Speaker 4: Ref And as we said earlier, this is probably going

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Speaker 4: to be a continuing series for us. We would love

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Speaker 4: your help, fellow conspiracy realist. We come to you hat

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1203
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Speaker 4: like the tuberculosis camp.

1204
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1205
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,439
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1206
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,840
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