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Speaker 1: Never told you. It's just about Thanksgiving here in the States,

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Speaker 1: and that means one of my favorite stories of her story,

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Speaker 1: the story of Anna Josepha Hale and how Thanksgiving became

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Speaker 1: a holiday. It's not quite as good as a Storybine

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Speaker 1: Mother's Day. That one's spectacular, but it's up there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: talk about persistence, and I know I'll be annoying all

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Speaker 1: of my family members with all the Thanksgiving facts this year.

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Speaker 1: And if you're interested, past host co host Kristen and

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Speaker 1: I used to make these dorky videos called Her Story,

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Speaker 1: and Kristen was amazing in them, of course, but we

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Speaker 1: did one about the history of Thanksgiving and Anna justefa Hale.

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Speaker 1: So you can find it on the YouTube's if you want.

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Speaker 1: But for for those of you preparing to push the

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Speaker 1: about why Americans celebrate this holiday on the third Thursday

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Speaker 1: of November, sit back and enjoy. Welcome to Stuff Mom

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Speaker 1: Never told You from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline,

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Speaker 1: And first off, I would like to say happy birthday

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Speaker 1: to Caroline because this is my Thanksgiving episode and your

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Speaker 1: birthday is on Thanksgiving this year. I love it. I

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Speaker 1: love this birthday cycle that I have where every couple

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Speaker 1: of years I get to pretend that the giant feast

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Speaker 1: and the pie that follows is just for me. Now,

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Speaker 1: will you have a special cake in addition to pies? Yep?

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Speaker 1: Okay yah, chocolate and chocolate. Man, I like your birthday style.

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Speaker 1: Thanks well, you have a woman to thank for this

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving slash birthday feast that you will be having. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about your mama, okay, okay, no offense

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Speaker 1: to Sally. I'm talking about Sarah Josepha Hale. Oh. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she is the mother of Thanksgiving. Yeah and uh much

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Speaker 1: like the mother of Mother's Day. Um and Jarvis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there we go, Anna Jarvis who stars in one of

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Speaker 1: our videos. Um. Sarah Hale had very particular ideas about

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Speaker 1: together of the Native Americans and the Pilgrims. Indeed, the

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Speaker 1: feast that's often sided as the First Thanksgiving, which was

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Speaker 1: dissenters was as Thanksgiving scholars, and yes there are Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: puritanical fasting and feasting tradition, right, and and so it

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Speaker 1: was not uncommon to have a Thanksgiving feast, a a

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Speaker 1: morsels and things. It was definitely not a scheduled ritual

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Speaker 1: that would have been presumptuous because they were These feasts

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Speaker 1: all this is based on my instinctive reaction from years

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Speaker 1: Although that show scared the poop out of me as

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Speaker 1: there's always missed. Like I said in that episode, why

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Speaker 1: from Mari talking about our diamond engagement ring episode. Um.

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Speaker 1: She says, I got engaged last year and my fiance

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Speaker 1: all possible. Unfortunately, you wouldn't believe how hard it is

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Speaker 1: to find loose sapphires that can be turned into traditional

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Speaker 1: and shape. She says, sapphires come in almost every color

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Speaker 1: in shape. Naturally, having chosen the right sapphire, I waited

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Speaker 1: didn't expect what if people shunned by non diamond engagement ring?

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Speaker 1: What if I was skipping out on the traditional engagement

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Speaker 1: see that those fears were born of the exact social

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Speaker 1: pressures that you two were discussing in your podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad I didn't let society change my mind because I

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Speaker 1: absolutely love my one of a kind sapphire engagement ring

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Speaker 1: and I get compliments on it all the time. Hurrah

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Speaker 1: for originality and pushing the social norms and Maury, my

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Speaker 1: mother also has a sapphire engagement ring slash wedding ring,

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Speaker 1: but she has diamonds on hers too, But so anyway,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the awesome story and congratulations on the

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Speaker 1: awesome ring and the wedding. Yeah, that ring sounds gorgeous,

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