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Speaker 1: Love Loved.

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Speaker 2: Love. Welcome back everyone to a new episode of Wide

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Speaker 2: Open with Ashlyn Harris.

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Speaker 3: This next guest You're gonna absolutely adore. I adore him.

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Speaker 3: He's funny as hell.

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Speaker 2: His social media is some of the best content I've

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Speaker 2: ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Watch witnessed.

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Speaker 2: Blakely introduce yourself to the viewers, to the listeners.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everyone, are you?

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Speaker 4: What have you?

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Speaker 3: What are you doing? Say all the things.

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Speaker 1: I'm Blakelee Thornton born in Dallas, Texas. I'm thirty nine

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Speaker 1: years young. Yehall, We're surviving like everybody else. I think

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Speaker 1: right now. Professionally, I would call myself a pop culture anthropologist.

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Speaker 4: It's primarily on.

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Speaker 1: Social but kind of expanding to soon like this, the

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Speaker 1: podcast world and hopefully other aspects of media. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just kind of professionally poking holes on life. Things are

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Speaker 1: the way they are right now. That is my current landscape.

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Speaker 3: You've literally done so much stuff.

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Speaker 2: I was reading through everything in your bio and what

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Speaker 2: led you here, and I was like, what has he

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Speaker 2: not done?

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Speaker 3: Is my question? Because you've you've walked so.

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Speaker 2: Many lives at this point, and you you have done

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Speaker 2: a lot in fashion and entertainment behind the camera and

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Speaker 2: now you're in front of it. Yes, now, hell you're acting, honey,

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Speaker 2: you're doing all these things, and you're really finding your way,

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Speaker 2: and you're changing the landscape of how we consume content

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Speaker 2: when it comes to politics, fashion, pop culture.

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Speaker 3: Like you are leading the charge.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, And I can't stop watching your

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Speaker 2: fucking content. It just like no one's safe. That's the best,

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Speaker 2: Like no one safe. It's like fuck around and find out.

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Speaker 1: Truly, truly, truly, truly, it really is. But I think

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Speaker 1: we need to have that in the culture. Think so

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Speaker 1: much of the reason we are where we are election

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Speaker 1: and media and fashion is because people are like scared

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Speaker 1: to say something because of like a future dollar. And

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Speaker 1: for me, I think I have the benefit of not

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Speaker 1: like these people don't pay my bills, so like when

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Speaker 1: you come in and they do, or if you're on

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Speaker 1: a network show or you have a radio show, you're

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Speaker 1: beholden to sponsors. But like I got to come in

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Speaker 1: through this little thing called social media, like thank you,

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Speaker 1: Daddy Zuckerberg, even though I kind of hate you half

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Speaker 1: the time too, and just be like what the fuck

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Speaker 1: is happening here? And I think what you find is

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Speaker 1: a lot of times all I'm doing is asking why,

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Speaker 1: and that's always been in my nature to some as

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Speaker 1: a child, Like when something is presenting to me, whether

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Speaker 1: it's music or a music video or an awards ceremony,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who is making it? Why do they make

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Speaker 1: it that way? Even who's reviewing it? Like looking at

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Speaker 1: movie reviews, like seventy percent of movie reviewers, or like

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Speaker 1: straight white men, so like that's why, like when women

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Speaker 1: win Oscars, it's always playing like a hooker or a

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Speaker 1: slave exactly, yes, because it reaffirms straight white men's place

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Speaker 4: So I'm always poking hole in the why of those things.

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Speaker 2: For people who don't follow you, which they need to

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Speaker 2: kind of run them through what you're doing by poking

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Speaker 2: holes into people's stories.

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing for me is a lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't interrogate the why, even within themselves, of

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Speaker 1: why they do what they do. So I think when

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Speaker 1: we're looking at a commercial or a fashion campaign, I'm like, okay, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you see a blonde, skinny, straight woman seventy percent

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Speaker 1: Why when you say, okay, she's luxurious? Why Why is

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Speaker 1: makes it says luxury? Or you're even interrogating, like going

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Speaker 1: to fashion with in the runways, why are there no

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Speaker 1: Why is there nobody seeing no like Asians on a

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Speaker 4: So I'm just asking, like why things are the way

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Speaker 1: And often when you peel back that first layer, it's

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Speaker 1: not always nefarious, but it kind of reveals people's biases.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is biased, Like I always kind of say too,

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Speaker 1: like I'm not objective, and people like you're my news,

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Speaker 1: I'm not your news. I'm an opinion based yes, And

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Speaker 1: I always say it's not v line, it's my line,

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Speaker 1: it would be a much better world.

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Speaker 4: Let's say, do.

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Speaker 2: You write everything before when you do your breakdowns?

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Speaker 1: I usually my process people always say what's the process. Normally, literally,

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Speaker 1: I wake up around my intrusive thoughts coming around four

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Speaker 1: forty five in the morning, and I'm like, oh, you're

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Speaker 1: awake now, yeah, you have an hour told sunrise. And honestly,

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Speaker 1: the first thing I usually do is good to people

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Speaker 1: a tool of the oppressor.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, hello, I have.

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Speaker 1: Not believed them when they said Blake Shelton was the

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Speaker 1: But when you look at people dot com, it literally

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Speaker 1: My process is usually looking at the news and being like,

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Speaker 1: And I think if that is what it distills down to,

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Speaker 4: Here's why. So that is the that is the look like,

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Speaker 2: But I want to talk about that because I always

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Speaker 2: this ability in sport to seize a moment, to separate

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Speaker 2: to make us and we're exactly who we are because

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Speaker 2: of the things we've gone through, and you have such

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love sports. I think sports are a big

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Speaker 1: I grew up a competitive tennis player in Texas, which

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like, you know, freak out because

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Speaker 1: It was the most homophobic and homo eerotic environment one

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Speaker 1: It's just like getting concussions for public Republican billionaires, or

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Speaker 1: But I was just psychotically competitive, and it was also

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Speaker 1: Like I'm fucking with that new Lady Gaga album so

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Speaker 1: So I also think that's kind of maybe who I

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Speaker 4: And the Ralphs because I.

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Speaker 1: Know the other aspect of that, I feel like I

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Speaker 3: So take me back there.

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Speaker 2: Everyone asked me this all the time about the difference

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Speaker 2: between being a queer woman, a queer woman in sports,

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Speaker 2: just like you're if you're not gay or identify as

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Speaker 2: It's just it's the culture is so fucking toxic.

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Speaker 4: It's truly and truly toxic.

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Speaker 2: And it's so sad because I would assume if you

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Speaker 3: Why are men so fucking weird?

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Speaker 1: I always think football is just an excuse for men

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Speaker 1: And I think like sports is kind of like a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my godless deeelers, Like, oh my who gives

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Speaker 1: This is like forty millionaires playing for a racist billionaire

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Speaker 1: And I think that attachment to sports teams, that attachment

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Speaker 3: But I'll say this, how did you How did you

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, honestly, this is another moment,

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Speaker 4: I was watching a Bulls.

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Speaker 4: But this was also nine teeny one. I was five.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no no no no.

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Speaker 1: So I am not a gold star by any means,

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Speaker 1: I think that was like, yeah, this is not for you,

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Speaker 1: like what I like French kiss Rihanna to this day, yes,

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Speaker 1: but like anything below the ways, i'd have to like

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Speaker 4: Tag him in.

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Speaker 2: This is wide open and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Where did all like, how did you decide to put

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Speaker 2: and jobs and you've been in the entertainment space, You've

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: with like being the best at something because it it

441
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Speaker 1: gives you something to distract yourself from. So it's like

442
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Speaker 1: like on the tennis court, I was like, I will

443
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Speaker 1: die before you can beat me. Like I loved it

444
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: to be one hundred and ten degrees and fucking sweltering,

445
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: because I was like, I will literally sit here and

446
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: watch you convols before I will lose to you, before

447
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 1: I will give you the image that I will lose

448
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Speaker 1: to you, because I could often just beat better players

449
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Speaker 1: because I was like it just I love tennis because

450
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: it's a mental boxing match, and I love it to

451
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: this day for that reason. But I was basically I

452
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: went and worked at Bloomberg Financial, hated it, hated everything

453
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Speaker 1: about banking culture, and then quit and then I ended

454
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Speaker 1: up working at Ralph Lauren right like around the time

455
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: I came out, and it's I was like, Oh, this

456
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 1: is what it's like to have like eclectic, creative, fun,

457
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Speaker 1: cool friends. And it was like they're still my friends

458
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: of this day. I was just st a wedding with

459
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: them in Palm Springs. But it was like, I realize

460
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: now that we were hired in that store for being

461
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Speaker 1: kind of like a Benetton version of me and having

462
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: the right pedigree because like, to this day, I cannot

463
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Speaker 1: fold a sweater. But it was like Blakely Christian, Lawrence

464
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: Linton and breckt and we went to like Harvard, Yale, Georgetown,

465
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Speaker 1: Brown and Penn and we just like looked the correct

466
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Speaker 1: part and we're like creative. And then I think everything

467
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,959
Speaker 1: I've done to this day kind of like has been

468
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: a conglomer, whether it be working at a fashion company,

469
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: working at an agency, in marketing as an MD kind

470
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Speaker 1: of like branding campaigns, being an influencer wrangler. I was

471
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Speaker 1: in charge of like picking influencers for campaigns and then

472
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 1: like writing out their contracts. So I've been on the

473
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: other side of it as well. I just think all

474
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Speaker 1: the knowledge I brought from my other lives professionally have

475
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: come together to kind of like poke at the veil

476
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Speaker 1: of this because I'm going to talk about like what

477
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: influencers being flown out to a premiere. I'm like, why

478
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: is it always like the same five like white girls

479
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: and guys that are straight when they don't have any

480
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: insight into the actual film. But I know it's because,

481
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: oh it's the pr girl who likes them, or they're

482
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: from the same prep school in Connecticut. Like I'm always

483
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: feeling back who's making the decision, And I think that's

484
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: been helpful, helpful to inform how I look at the

485
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: media landscape now and how I present myself in it,

486
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: whether that be in social media in the future, in

487
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: a podcast January twenty twenty five, and or I guess

488
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Speaker 1: now when this comes out.

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Speaker 4: And you know, in like TV and film kind of

490
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Speaker 4: to a certain.

491
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Speaker 3: Extent, Yeah, didn't it just come out? Weren't you acting recent?

492
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Speaker 4: It's offshoot. It's airing now TV in Canada.

493
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Speaker 1: You can find it on Roku, on Apple TV, and

494
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 1: I believe on Amazon. Although I hate you, Daddy Bezos,

495
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: I will always hate you, but it was just I

496
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: like being creative. It was very funny because I think

497
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Speaker 1: in the way I've talked about things in the like,

498
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: whether it's becoming friends with like you or Sophia, or

499
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: honestly a bunch of actors and actresses that kind of

500
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: like we've I guess strangely become friends. But Ryan Reynolds

501
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: actually asked me the most probing question, and he was like,

502
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: what do you want like in this world? Like what

503
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: is your thing that you want to present? What is

504
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: your purpose you think? Because we text and I was like,

505
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm very black and very gay, and I want the

506
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Speaker 1: people that are those things to feel more comfortable being them,

507
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: but also the people that are around those things to

508
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable being around them. And whether that's my

509
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: personal voice, whether that's a show I produce, like Queer

510
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: Sports on Vice, whether that's me acting, whether that's me

511
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: producing and writing, I want people to be more comfortable

512
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: with a presence like me in the world because I

513
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: feel like the more that you are used to me,

514
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: the more used to somebody that's gay, that's black, that's

515
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: a woman, can be smarter, can be faster, it can

516
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Speaker 1: be the person that's telling you what the fuck to do,

517
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Speaker 1: and it's not going to sugarcoat it. The less we

518
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: have this virulent reaction that we're having in society right now,

519
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: because I think that's based on, honestly, the fact that

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00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: people are viscerally averse on a cellular level to the

521
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: idea of a woman or a woman of color telling them.

522
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Speaker 4: What to do.

523
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yes, where they don't even know why.

524
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem is that all of media,

525
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 1: since you know the emancipacient proclamation or whatever that's slavery,

526
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: but or has been telling white men that you are

527
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: supposed to inherit the earth. When when somebody says he

528
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: looks like a leader, what does leader look like? Why

529
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: does leader look like a cis blonde, square john white man?

530
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: Does a leader have an opinion? One of the craziest

531
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Speaker 1: reactions I got online was when Chris Humminsworth was in

532
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: talks to be Prince Charming and I like rolled.

533
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 4: I didn't mean why, I just rolled my eyes out.

534
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: I said, like floral's spring, like where, and like I'm

535
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: talking more than the things I say about Trump than

536
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: the things about politics. The most virulent psychotic reactions wow

537
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: from the internet, fuck you should it be a lesbian

538
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: black midget. I was like, yes, yes, actually I would

539
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: love a trans black midget to play Prince Charming.

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Speaker 4: I would love it. Do it, let's do it.

541
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: But like then I realize, like, oh, everyone is their wound.

542
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: You are viscerally invested in the idea that charming means

543
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: a tall white man because it doesn't say Prince white

544
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: and blonde. It says Prince Charming. Anybody can be charming. Shit,

545
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: you should play Prince charming. If that's the case, you're

546
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: charming as fuck.

547
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: Like you know.

548
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh, people are viscerally invested in this,

549
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: and they're invested in it because they don't feel seen.

550
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: Because if I'm a white man and everything in media

551
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: tells me you're supposed to get a white picket fans

552
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: and a wife that loves you and make this money,

553
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: and that's not happening.

554
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: And all you see is like me, you and Beyonce

555
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 4: on the TV.

556
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: They're like, fuck these people, and they become wildly attached

557
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: to that. And I think, like that was a real

558
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: eye opener for me. I was like, oh my god.

559
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: I was like this, guys, this is imaginary. This is

560
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: an imaginary character.

561
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: That it's like and it's found.

562
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: It's found my way onto the in cell internet, and

563
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: I think that's I don't know. I'm always like looking

564
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: at why and I'm one of my other things I

565
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: always say is everyone is.

566
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: Their wound because the back good because the.

567
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 4: Backlash I get isn't about me.

568
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: Whereas I'm gonna go and look at like the background

569
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: of the popcorn slings of your house or like your

570
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 1: sistic acne were like that, you know. I literally was like,

571
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: I hope when I was talking about Dwayne Wade's statue

572
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't even racial. And someone was like, will you

573
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: all fucking look a like fuck you? And I was like,

574
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: it just doesn't look like him in the same way

575
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: Rinaldo's didn't. But I was like, I was like, I

576
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: hope when they do your statue they get your assistic

577
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: acne scars right, And they were like, I was like,

578
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: how dare you? I was like, if you want to play,

579
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: let's play like I'm a scorpio, so like I'm almost

580
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: sexually aroused by the idea of an enemy, and if

581
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: you give me an excuse to share the unhealed part

582
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: of myself with you, then baby, it's game on.

583
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 4: It's fucking Mortal Kombat.

584
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: Love it like, hurt my feelings, that's actually like my

585
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: love language.

586
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: And then I'm going to come back at you.

587
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to do research on you, on your father,

588
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: on your mother, on your pets, and I'm going to

589
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: like blast you. And they never lasted more than one round.

590
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: I've never met a quick witted bigot.

591
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh that's ever.

592
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: Facts never You're like, because you really have opened your

593
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 2: life up to receiving a lot of criticism because you

594
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: just fucking say it how it is.

595
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: You're not sure, you don't care.

596
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: You are just like living your life and your truth

597
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: and you're speaking your opinion about all the shitty people

598
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: and all the things they're doing wrong, and you expose them.

599
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so how hard is that now?

600
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: To open your life to this type of criticis because

601
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: people always have shit to say. People hate on anyone

602
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: doing and being exactly who they are and who they're

603
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: meant to be. How do you handle it? Because it

604
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: is a dark It's like the dark side of the Internet.

605
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: I think I'm always open to this is them, and

606
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 4: I love a debate.

607
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: So I've had friends being like, well, you have a

608
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: bias towards this, or you have a bias towards that,

609
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: or you love you know, a skinny, biracial girl in

610
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: a campaign.

611
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: I'm like I do. But it's also like, oh, well,

612
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 4: I guess if I'm looking at like.

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00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: Zindaiya, Lori har Laura Harrie, and Zoe Kravitz, I'm just

614
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: happy that they're black, but they're also a specific version

615
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: of a black woman that's also highly acceptable. So I'm like,

616
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: that's a conversation I will have. So if you're talking

617
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: about me and my biases with non violent language, always

618
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: open because I'm an opinion and I am also my

619
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: my biases too. But I find that ninety percent of

620
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: the stuff I get is like f slur or in slur,

621
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's lazy and boring and ultimately like

622
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: not actually about me. It's like you're just going to

623
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: the most. And also like being gay, being black, I

624
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: don't view them as pejoratives, so.

625
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: I don't care.

626
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you're calling me game black, Yeah, duk,

627
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: welcome the dollhouse, fucking idiot, Like okay, what's next.

628
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: So I think, like it's just.

629
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: Easy for me to ignore because like you're I firmly

630
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: view those things as positive towards my viewpoints. If you're

631
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: just saying them in a derogatory way, it's like it's

632
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: a rubber blue situation.

633
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: It's just like it's getting old too. It really it's

634
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 2: like exhausting. I will say this, what is it like

635
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: because you walk into rooms with a lot of a

636
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: list celebrities that you're literally shaming and talking shit about

637
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: and exposing what is it like when you walk into

638
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: these events and you've had you've literally roasted people on

639
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: how do they treat you?

640
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: What tell me a situation?

641
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: I need to fucking hear all the juice because like

642
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: I can't imagine a Kim Kardashian can handle your energy.

643
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't well, see, the thing is like it's been interesting,

644
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: but I've always said and I think the thing what

645
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: the internet is, like I stand tinto is fucking down

646
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: anything I say. I think anything you say on the internet,

647
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: she'd be willing to say to someone's face. So if

648
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: Kim came up to me, I also believe, like I'm

649
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: operating with a parasocial knowledge of you, there are things

650
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: you do that are fucking shitty. Would I sit down

651
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: with her and be like, why the fuck are you

652
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: posting Ivanka Trump teates for the election.

653
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: And I honestly want to hear her answer.

654
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm not here to be like you're the devil, because,

655
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: like I believe Kim and I don't know her is

656
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: just blind ambition, and she's ambition that's kind of insulated

657
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: from from criticism because we're not meant to get the

658
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: feedback of three hundred million people, So that one keeps

659
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: her saying, but two keeps me from hearing things she

660
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: needs to hear. So also like she could ignore me,

661
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: but it's okay. But also like if she came and said, like,

662
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: well I heard that, I'm like, yeah, bitch, I said it. Yeah,

663
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: you want to sit down and talk about it?

664
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: Okay?

665
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: If not, no, I think maybe the weirdest one and

666
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: I'll call out full tea on it. Like I met

667
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: Troy Savonne briefly at the Wicked premiere, oh recently.

668
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like yeah, I think, yeah, I saw Sophia there.

669
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like because if they didn't tell her where the

670
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: bar was, because I think they had like actors and influencers,

671
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: influencers to the goddamn bar immediately, and like I think

672
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: some of the actors would have wanted to go there

673
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: because it was three hours of like open bar and

674
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: meats and cheeses. But like, I know Troy has seen

675
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: the things I've said because he's not a natural dancer. Okay,

676
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: he's an Australian white man. He clearly his natural thing

677
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: is the one and the three. But his dance journey

678
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: has been incredible, has been cool, and he's gotten so

679
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: much better and him and Dualipa. I feel like a

680
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: proud aunt. Every time they like get through an eight

681
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: count without falling down, I'm like, you're doing so great

682
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: because I know it's not natural to them, and I

683
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: appreciate work. And as a child of the Jenna Jackson generation, baby,

684
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: if you don't come with fucking popping fresh dance moves,

685
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: you're not a pop star. Yeah, so like, and they're

686
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: both fucking doing it. But his energy was a little

687
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: bit cold. And also this is completely in my head.

688
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: He could not know me. He could be tired. But

689
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: also I'm like, he also could have seen the things

690
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: I say about how he dances and not want to

691
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: fuck me right now, which is perfectly okay. But if

692
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: he had said, yo, what the fuck, I'd be like,

693
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: maybe you can't dan, you can't dat, but your butt,

694
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: you're fucking great at it and your your.

695
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 4: Journey has been beautiful and I'm rooting for you.

696
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: And also if you don't want me to do if

697
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: he was like that hurts my feelings, please don't, I'd stop.

698
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: Would you?

699
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: I would? Because it's like it's I'm.

700
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: Not married to making fun of somebody's dancing, or if

701
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: it's really like a pinpoint and like some of those

702
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: things go viral, then yeah, I don't want to do that,

703
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: But in my mind, I'm rooting for you, like an

704
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: auntie that talks that real shit towards you. But also

705
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: like I am also aware that my entire interpretation of

706
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: the situation is in my head. He could have been

707
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: tired and not want to fucking talk to anybody, But

708
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: I also like you've probably seen the videos. You probably

709
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: clocked who it was, and maybe he didn't feel like

710
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: talking about it. But all I can do is take

711
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: up space, and if anybody has enough of a issue

712
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: with me to say something in person open to talking about.

713
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: It, I love it. I figured I just I feel

714
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: like there's such big eat.

715
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: Like when I walk into rooms with a lot of entertainers,

716
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: it's pretty split fifty to fifty. You can tell immediately

717
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: the fucking egos, the like literally the ones that are

718
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: walking on water and the ones that are like so

719
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: present and so willing to have conversation and be normal

720
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: because it's such a weird fucking culture in the entertainment space.

721
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: But I think that the people that have like I find,

722
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: the people that have a sense of humor about themselves.

723
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: I've oddly become like actual acquaintances are friends with Like

724
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: literally I talked to Chan and chanting taint him a lot,

725
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: but like I will literally if he looks stupid, I'll

726
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: he was running one day, he was wearing like a

727
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: rucksack and like cornier phones and a whole video.

728
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, this man looks stupid.

729
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: He looks like he is married to an ARII he

730
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: looks the most caucaaracter I've ever seen in my life.

731
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 4: And he like.

732
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Literally wrote back like a voice note, just like laughing

733
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: about it. So I'm like, I think people that have

734
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: a sense of humor about their self image, we've actually

735
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: ended up bonding in becoming friends.

736
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 4: Ryan Reynolds is also very funny.

737
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: I make funny his pockets because he would like I

738
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: was like, I know, your stylist does all this work.

739
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 4: You got your fucking pocket stuffed like.

740
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: You're a first grader, and like they like I think

741
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: people again, people that don't.

742
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: Have a serious.

743
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: Crazy ego, I find that they're actually like the most famous,

744
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: like people that are securing themselves that you know, are

745
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: making billion dollar films or like have kind of are

746
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: in like quote unquote a list echelon.

747
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 4: They're the people that will literally.

748
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: Laugh and write back while repostings about themselves like you

749
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: like a Heidi Clum, a Chanting Tatum, a Ryan Reynolds

750
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: like uh, James Marsden. Like when I make fun of

751
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: these people, they're like, that's fucking hilarious the joke. But

752
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: I think you have to be in on the joke

753
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: to have a sustained career for years, because you have

754
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: to have gone through the.

755
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: Ups and downs.

756
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: And also I think they're realizing that, like I'm talking

757
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: about an image of you, not you, and I think

758
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: that comes through with my humor. I'm not saying you're

759
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: a fucking terrible person. I'm saying your hair looks stupid

760
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: that day, or you look lost, or like why are

761
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: you eating that?

762
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 4: Or like you look confused.

763
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: But it's also often that picture is a metaphor for

764
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: something larger about society or the way we collectively feel.

765
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I think, yeah, people that like get

766
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: the humor of it and get that I'm not saying

767
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: you're a shitty person because I didn't like your shorts

768
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: that day exactly because your hair looks stupid, But like,

769
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm talking about Trump's cabinet. Then like

770
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: come fight me. Yeah, like come see me.

771
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: I mean it's I feel like you must be rubbing

772
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: off on Sofia because she has just sometimes now she's like,

773
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm burning it all to the ground. I'm exposing everyone

774
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: who writes me things. I'm just letting it rip. She's

775
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: very much so in her fuck around and find out as.

776
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: She should be.

777
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: I just don't think we should sit here and be

778
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: like a punching bag for someone.

779
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: I think this whole thing on the Internet where.

780
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: Like, oh, if you're in the public space, you're out

781
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: of like call me slurs or say abusive, disgusting, misogynist,

782
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: homophobic shit to me, because like I have a platform.

783
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well, I'm just putting up your picture

784
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: with the exact thing you said to me. And if

785
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people get mad at you about that,

786
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: welcome to my world. Because there are hundreds of thousands

787
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: to millions of you saying this shit to me, expecting

788
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: nothing back in return. And they're like, well, how could

789
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: you whiponize your fan base or whatever. I'm a micro

790
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: corner of the Internet. I don't have a quarter of

791
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: what you know Sophia has going on, but I'm like,

792
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: if you want to say some racial shit or some

793
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: massogynes or some homophobic shit, and I say, look at

794
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: here's a screensht of what you said.

795
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 4: Have out of internet. Yeah, like, welcome to my world, baby,

796
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: I'll drag you down to hell with me.

797
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 3: I love it because here's the thing.

798
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: So much of social media has made you right, but

799
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: there is such a like I'm the opposite. I have

800
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: my comments off. I can't be bothered by what you

801
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: think about me. That is your fucking issue.

802
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: Not mine.

803
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: And I just don't want to see it. Like I

804
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: just don't want to see it. I don't even want

805
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: to open that door up anymore to listen to your

806
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: trauma projected on me. And what I'll say is we

807
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: are queer community. I mean, crisis hotlines right now are

808
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: up seven hundred percent. We're so targeted on social media.

809
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: What is your view about it?

810
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: Because it is a really, really scary place when you

811
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: don't know yourself, when you are seeking that type of

812
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: I want people to like me and understand me, and

813
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: I want to be seen, which could be really toxic.

814
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: I think that is the value of coming into whatever

815
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm coming into at thirty nine years old, is like,

816
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm tired. I have my friends in LA that are

817
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: my good friends that have been my Like I have

818
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: my Lizzies, my Ashley's, my Yasmin's that have known me forever,

819
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: and I'm not looking to really, like, you know, make

820
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: new friends. So like anybody else I come upon that

821
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: is in entertainment, like there's a genuine connection. I always say,

822
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: I feel like whether it's again a Sophie or a

823
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: Channel or Oriyan or even like a Cynthia, they're internally

824
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: driven people. We are driven to make something and to

825
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: do something, and we generally connect based on like a

826
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: life viewpoint or a viewpoint on art that is agnostic

827
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: of the superfluous shit. So well, everybody is kind of

828
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: subject to wanting people to like them and wanting outset affirmation.

829
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I'm not, but I think the

830
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: people that I have connected with and the people they

831
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: end up like having their phone number or calling your

832
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: texting is almost about we would be fucking friends anyway.

833
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think people.

834
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: Who are a public facing any capacity, You're like, I

835
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: have people I like and I have people I don't like.

836
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: And I think when you connect with somebody you know,

837
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: you connect with them on those levels. And I think, again,

838
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: whether it's a Sofi year or the other people I've

839
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: connected with, it's because we fuck with each other on

840
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: like a real personal level.

841
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: And also I just you get to an age which

842
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: I am, like, I'm also the same age. So I

843
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: just turned thirty nine, and it's just it's such.

844
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 3: A freeing time.

845
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: I'm to live in a space where you've gone through

846
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: so many fucking seasons that have shaped you and you're

847
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: just like, I don't if I don't need it, I'm

848
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: fucking good.

849
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: I keep it pushing.

850
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: Exactly like if I don't want to go to dinner

851
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: with you one on one, I don't give a shit.

852
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 4: I don't care.

853
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: It's like and it's a it's also nice to have

854
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: other people you know, like a like at Wick or

855
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: what I'm like, so I know, but it's also like

856
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: if I don't want to have.

857
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 4: Like a four hour lunch with you, we just drink

858
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: coffee and talk shit about the.

859
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: World, then like that's the value that that has been

860
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: the cool part about this is meeting additional people that

861
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: fit in that space for me, regardless of what their

862
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: outset impact is because most of the people, honestly, friendship

863
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: is like just sending weird memes that you think of

864
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: towards each other or like this, like if you're like,

865
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: if you're comfortable enough with somebody to be like this

866
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: dumb thing, then you think of you then like that,

867
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: I value so much more than the idea of like

868
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: being in a film or writing together or whatever else.

869
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: You know.

870
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 5: We'll be right back after this, I.

871
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: Ask everyone, And there's this one moment in your life

872
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: that really changed it all, that split you wide open,

873
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: that made you peel back the layers and really realign.

874
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: And I want to know what moment in your life

875
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: changed it all? Like what was that path moment, idea, chance, loss?

876
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: What was it for you?

877
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: Hmm ooh, that's very interesting. Is it personally, professionally or both.

878
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: It's up to you. You can do both.

879
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 4: Ooh. I would say personally it was.

880
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: I broke up with my first major relationship of the

881
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: time on June first of twenty twenty, during like the

882
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: blacklack Lives Matter protests, where I just like something like snap,

883
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: where we'd been I'd been in like a semi toxic

884
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: relationship we weren't getting along really well. But also the

885
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: pandemic was a make or break time or like either

886
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: found you love that person, you don't like that person.

887
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: And I came back and I'd seen kind of like

888
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: all this misery in New York, especially death and just

889
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: the weird uprising what was happening. And then my boyfriend

890
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: sad something crazy out of line, and I was like,

891
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: we're done. I was like, I was just like okay,

892
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: and he was like, you don't get it.

893
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 4: We're over. I was like, Okay, pack your shit, go

894
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 4: to Miami, goodbye.

895
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll buy your planetic your cousins and

896
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: have them come and get to like I was like

897
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Erica by New call Tyrone, get your shit, goodbye.

898
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: And I think from then it was like, oh, I.

899
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: Don't have to deal with the idea of relationship that

900
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: I've invested two years with you and learning what I

901
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't and would and would not take. So now I

902
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: have a very clear stake in the ground of how

903
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: I want to be treated. And also like I realize

904
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: that I'm still looking for a partner, but also in friendships,

905
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: I require someone that is not disrespectful even when they

906
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: are angry, and I think that is a key through

907
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: line in my friendships and the relationships I have when

908
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: you are angry and that nobody's perfect, but I need

909
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: somebody who like can speak to me with respect, yes,

910
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: And I think everyone is deserving of that, And I

911
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: think I go through and I think that has become

912
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: a through line for me and the way I talk

913
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: to other people. What I'm talking about talking a non

914
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: violent language, which I'm not always one hundred percent with,

915
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: But like I think about even when I'm criticizing, I'm

916
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: trying to criticize based on facts. I'm trying to criticize

917
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: based on an action that you have taken that I

918
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: don't like, because.

919
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 4: I think there's a nuance in.

920
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: I can like you and not like everything you do,

921
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: and I think that's a nuance that we've lost with

922
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: the Internet. It's like I can disagree with with an outfit, choice,

923
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: with a political choice, with and action you have taken

924
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: in business and find it and have and criticize it.

925
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: But also that doesn't mean I hate you as a person,

926
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: which kind almost respected the Kim thing, like I'm just

927
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: like I don't like some of her choices, but like

928
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: if the bitch slaves on an outphit. Occasionally I'll say

929
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: you look good, yeah, because I don't. That's the world

930
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: we live in. So I think that moment and that

931
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: decision making, in that process of June first, twenty twenty

932
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: maybe really be like, okay, cool, what are your boundaries

933
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: personally and professionally? And also never treat anyone else the

934
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: way this person had treated you.

935
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: Perspective twenty twenty five. Ooh right, you make a living.

936
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: Off of pop culture, politics, art, fashion. I mean, I'm

937
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: scared shitless. I have no fucking idea what's about to happen.

938
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: I however, know it will change a lot of the

939
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: landscape in our community, our creative ability.

940
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: What what are your thoughts?

941
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: What are you scared about? What are you feeling? What's

942
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: your perspective?

943
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, as a person that currently makes my money

944
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: off of brand deals, I know it's not super trinny

945
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: to be black and gay anymore to be outspoken in

946
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: any capacity even thinking about Oh, like, I watched documentary

947
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: on It's called I Think Buy More on Netflix, and

948
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like, Asian name is fucking garbage, But

949
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: like Asian Name is paying people out to ask people

950
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: that I'm friends with do these campaigns like the Least

951
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: Brat Thing Charlie xcx day with this H and M campaign,

952
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: because it's disgusting in this bullshit and it's entrapment for

953
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: people who are lower income, and also like they are

954
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: polluting half of fucking Africa and Asia with their fucking stuff.

955
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: But people want to like people, but I get it,

956
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: but like, hey, Charlie, like that check is probably for

957
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: seven figures, So like, I don't know what I would do,

958
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: who knows, But I think it's hard for companies to

959
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: come at me when I'm coming at their bullshit a lot.

960
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: And we're also dealing with almost like four super companies

961
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: now it's like Amazon, Meta, Tesla, Slash x, Yes, and

962
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: like whatever else. So I feel like that's probably hard

963
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: when people do I'm critical of I'm critical of late

964
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: stage capitalism, but I make my money off of selling

965
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: things at this point, and that's an economy that I'm

966
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: aware of all the time. So I think for twenty

967
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: twenty five, I would like to get more into getting

968
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: paid for making organic content that is narrative, whether it's

969
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: whether it's podcasting, writing, acting, because I think my voice

970
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: is interesting and funny and entertaining, and being able to

971
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: do that, being able to do that in a semi

972
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: consistent manner without having to be actually hawking a product directly.

973
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: Hopefully we'll come into fruition.

974
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like you're gonna have an endless amount

975
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: of content because these fucking people are absolute clowns.

976
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: Oh, it's truly aout every day. I'm like, is this

977
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: a joke? Are we really here?

978
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: And I'm like, pinch me, we're fucking here, and I

979
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: don't see it getting any better.

980
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I'll exactly, I'll have an endless

981
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: supply to say, I just hope I will be able

982
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,479
Speaker 1: to like pay my rent and get food saying them

983
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: even just I feel like I do, even the inflation

984
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: we feel now, I'm like, how is everything thirty dollars?

985
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: Like if I sit down in a fast casual restaurant,

986
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: how did I pay twenty eight bucks for that? When

987
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we were making jokes about like twenty

988
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: dollars salads four years ago, And now I'd be like happy,

989
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: happy to get out of a sit down restaurant with

990
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: a sub twenty dollar bill.

991
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 3: It just won't happen.

992
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 4: It just doesn't happen. I went to speaking. I was like,

993
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: how how is this twenty nine bucks? Like sitting here?

994
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: Or like God forbid you order it? So you know?

995
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: So true though, I'm trying.

996
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 4: To figure out how that goes.

997
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: This younger generation I feel bad for I do. I'm like,

998
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: you can't buy fucking homes, you can't buy groceries, you

999
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: can't buy peace. I mean sure as hell can't buy

1000
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: that now, at least for people like us. I'm just

1001
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: like every day I'm waking up and I'm like, am

1002
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: I in a nightmare? I Am in a fucking nightmare?

1003
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do?

1004
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 4: Yeah? It's true, like what are we doing?

1005
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: And I'm just hoping I can focus my creativity on

1006
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: creating some kind of semblance of like financial and personal

1007
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: peace for myself. I also find a lot of peace

1008
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: in like Palm Springs because I just went.

1009
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 4: I love it.

1010
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: I just went with Sofia.

1011
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: I love it so much.

1012
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: It's just like I feel like after I have a

1013
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: very overstimulating aspect of like la, like whether it's like

1014
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: the Oscars or something crazy. I go there for like

1015
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: four to ten days because it's it's like it's metropolitan enough.

1016
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: It has a cool art museum. There's good shopping, but

1017
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: it's like looking at mountains. That's the ocean for me

1018
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: is mountains because I don't fuck with the ocean. That's

1019
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: like months again, like Megan's Stalleues that's monster soup. That's

1020
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: their home.

1021
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 4: I don't.

1022
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: But like waking up and like seeing a gorgeous sky

1023
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: and mountains and just kind of like a.

1024
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: Vaguely queer community. Every day is like it's a dream.

1025
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: Peaceful, it is, it is, and you have so many

1026
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: dimensions about you, and I think in a world that

1027
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: feels so dark and hopeless, it is really nice to

1028
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: have your content to give us some joy.

1029
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, that's one of the funniest things.

1030
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Like I was with my mom in Texas and got

1031
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: recognized and like and like the mall in like Dallas,

1032
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: and She's like, I think that was the first time

1033
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: she realized, like, oh, people know who you are a

1034
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: little bit, because I was like, yeah, it was in

1035
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: like an anthropology in like Plano, Texas.

1036
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1037
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: I honestly, until I met people in person, because it

1038
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: happens probably maybe like once a week in La, it

1039
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: was weirdly every day in Paris in London, but people

1040
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: are like, thank you because you bring me joy and

1041
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: giggles and like for me, I think because I'm not

1042
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: seeing that, I see numbers and I see comments. It

1043
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: feels like I'm just expressing how I feel and it's

1044
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: Catharthla for me to scream into the abyss and have

1045
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: those thoughts go into the world. But I think people

1046
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: have received them as a respite and as a laugh

1047
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: and as something that makes them feel good when they're

1048
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: feeling bad, And that honestly was not my intention. It

1049
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: was not expected. I was just authentically like, here's how

1050
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: I fucking feel, hopefully, and I think finding other people

1051
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: feel the same way and it makes them feel better

1052
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: has been like an unexpected but highly appreciated consequence.

1053
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's so true. I told you

1054
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: when you got here today it was so ironic. I'm

1055
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: in a group chat with a bunch of girls and

1056
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: they sent one of your breakdowns about Jack and Rose,

1057
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: and she was like, this is exactly ten out of ten, literally.

1058
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: This is how I feel in this moment.

1059
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 2: And we all started because we're all suffering and we're

1060
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 2: all finding community in a world that feels very unpredictable,

1061
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: especially for the queer community, for the black community, Like

1062
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: there's just so much and I'm raising two black children

1063
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: and I'm a gay woman.

1064
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is really a treat.

1065
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: But it is a nice moment of banter of joy

1066
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 2: to you connect us in a time that feels so

1067
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: unpredictable and so heavy. So you do you reach so

1068
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: many people with the job you choose to do every day,

1069
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: and I'm grateful for it because you're always in my chat,

1070
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: You're always in my group chats, and everyone just loves

1071
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: your personality and what you bring because it is so different.

1072
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't see anything like it on the internet, which

1073
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: is probably a great thing for you. It separates you

1074
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 2: from the rest of the pack.

1075
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: Well, I always say I'm happy that like my kind

1076
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: of like ethos is like there's universality and like specificity.

1077
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: So like the more specific I am and the more

1078
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: I can drill down into the exactly the way I'm feeling,

1079
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: that is my met as my guiding force, Like this

1080
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: is how this makes me feel, and hopefully someone else

1081
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: connects with that, like I've I've often had like TikTok

1082
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: or like Instagram, like here are the transfer creators. Here's this,

1083
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't give up up. I

1084
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: was like, this is not for me. I'm not going

1085
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Speaker 1: to dance. I'm not going to use trending something. I

1086
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: don't care how long or short you think the should be.

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00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: I was like, my world is spewing how I feel

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00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: the most accurate way possible, with sometimes a layer of

1089
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: like nineties pop culture laid over it and just shitting

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00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: into the world. Yes, yes, and like that is what

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00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: I want to do. And if people connect with it,

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00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: they do, and if they don't, they don't. And I

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00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: feel like, in a strange way, I think because I'm in,

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00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: I'm looped in with like influencers. Now they're like, here's

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00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: the trend.

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00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 4: Here's that. I don't care.

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00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't give a shit at all, but you're

1098
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 3: it's hard.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't want to use the word influencer because

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00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: to me, you're just you're.

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00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: It's different.

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00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of kids out here selling

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00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: this bullshit life of women and crashing cars and helicopters, and.

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00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: It's like, how do you have so much money in

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00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: like you're.

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00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: Twelve, right, what are we taking? What are you wrapping?

1107
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: In a jacuzzi with a grill on. This is the

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00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: content people are consuming. So I do think there's an

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00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 2: obligation in what we put out in the world. And

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00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: I think the way you do it, you're so smart

1111
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: and you're so intentional. Tell me what is next for you,

1112
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: because I only see bigger, better things, like you should

1113
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: be writing, you should be acting, you should have your

1114
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: own show, you should have.

1115
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 3: All the things.

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00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: And I'm speaking this into existence for you because I

1117
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 2: do think you're you move different.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I have.

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Speaker 1: I have a podcast called Immediately No Coming Out on

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00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: Coming on Q one of twenty twenty five.

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00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: We obviously have to come on, come on. I'm excited

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00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 4: for that.

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00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: Offshoots, I really thoroughly enjoyed acting, but I think that's

1124
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: from like being an athlete, like I'm highly coachable, I

1125
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: love a team environment, and like I love feedback like bigger, smaller, yes, no, cool,

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00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: and like it was really fun and people have said

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00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: that I feel I felt natural on it, and I'm like,

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00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: for me again, that's almost like a I love that

1129
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: moment of being on I don't really give a shit

1130
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: to look at it. I hate looking at it, but

1131
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you thought it was good. Cool, never

1132
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: going to see it, that's nice. So I have a

1133
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: couple of things brewing in the acting department with some

1134
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: of the people that I've previously mentioned, talking like em

1135
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: in talks for a couple of roles on like some sitcoms.

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00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: I have sent some pitches for like movies out where

1137
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: I could like, I don't think I'm a cynthiare, but

1138
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: I think I can make an affable version of myself

1139
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: from my view points for certain things. I was talking

1140
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: with Sophia about a sitcom called Am I Crazy? And

1141
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, Sometimes I'm like, like, let's leave

1142
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: it to the cynthia as with the world to make

1143
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: like soul piercing art. I just want to be on

1144
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: NBC for seven seasons, Mike cracking jokes.

1145
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 4: Of people that I like and like sometimes like is

1146
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 4: that simple?

1147
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: Is that simple? Sometimes it's like joy as revolutionary. So

1148
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: if I can have like two people on a show

1149
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: that I like being with every day and have like

1150
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, CBS pay for it, that's cool. But yeah,

1151
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: I think acting and writing and podcasting are really going

1152
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: to be heavy in twenty twenty five. I would also

1153
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: just like to do a campaign of some sort and

1154
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: like a real official capacity, like I would like to

1155
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: be on a billboard in some capacity for clothing. Not

1156
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: H and M obviously, but like you know, if Savage

1157
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: Finty wants to call a Potega Venetta, you know he's available.

1158
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: Call him, call my agent, call my people, have my

1159
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: people call your people, or I'll just do the call myself.

1160
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Speaker 2: Well, I look forward to many more dates together hanging out.

1161
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: I see nothing but great things coming from you, like

1162
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: you're an entertainer through and through.

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00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 3: I do think like it's an like it's a gift.

1164
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: I don't think everyone has it, and you have the

1165
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: special sauce. So I hope that for you, and I

1166
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: have no doubt you're going to be able to do it.

1167
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: But tell everyone where to actually find you.

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00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: On social you can find me on Blakelee Thornton on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok b l A k E l y

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Speaker 1: t h r N t O N.

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Speaker 4: Also I sat on it, thank God. On a media

1172
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 4: no pod you.

1173
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: Can find that as well, and then you can find

1174
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: me on offshoots on out TV.

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Speaker 4: I think we're going to be the next Shit's Creak,

1176
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 4: so please watch that.

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00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: So we can leak it to Netflix and then get

1178
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: that money, and yeah, I'll just be here and queer

1179
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: and there and everywhere, hopefully in the next few months.

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00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: I love this for you and you deserve it, and

1181
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm excited to keep you know. I have a front

1182
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: row seat to watch you do all these things, and

1183
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 2: I think you're going to be incredible and I'm excited

1184
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for.

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00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: Coming on Wide Open, and we're going to follow you

1187
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: every step of the way and we're rooting for you.

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00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thanksving Wide Open with Ashland Harris is an iHeart women's

1190
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Speaker 2: sports production. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app,

1191
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Our producers

1192
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: are Carmen Borca, Coreo, Emily Maronov, and Lucy Jones. Production

1193
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: assistance from Malia Aguidello. Our executive producers are Jesse Katz,

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00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Our editors are Jenny Kaplan

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Speaker 2: and Emily Rudder, and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris.