1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: We've got two rounds of the Moistline coming up next 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: hour at three twenty and three fifty, and we're on 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 2: from one to four and then after four o'clock every day. 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: If you missed anything, you get the podcast John Cobelt 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: Show on demand on the iHeart app. Going to get 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: right into this, we had Michael miche on USC professor 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. He had released quite the 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: study looked at fifty years of California gas prices, and 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: what he did is he released an analysis saying that 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: most of the excessive prices that we have to deal 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: with are from the state government. He said, it's largely 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: self inflicted. It's taxes, fees, regulations, policies, you know, like 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: climate change policies that provide a huge burden on oil 16 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: and gas refineries, and that there was not much evidence 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: of any widespread price gouging or price manipulation, which is 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: what Newsom was always claiming. And we went through that 19 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: and it was quite illuminating and confirmed all the suspicions 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 2: I'd ever had. And then we find out this week 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: that Valero is closing one of its refineries up in 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: northern California, in Benetia, and this is a major blow. 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: We once had about forty three refineries in California and 24 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 2: now we're down to around eight. And this Benetia complex 25 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: produced about eight to nine percent of the gasoline that 26 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: we use every every day. It's a big hit and 27 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: it's going to mean higher prices. Let's get Michael MChE 28 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: on you see, professor, how are you? 29 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: I'm terrific, John, How are you today? 30 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm good. 31 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 2: You wanted to talk about this closing of the refinery 32 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: by Valero up in Benetia. What is the significance of 33 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: it to the average person driving home from work today? 34 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: How's it going to affect their lives? 35 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: Well, I'm fred It's going to have a It's going 36 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: to affect their lives in a number of ways. Okay, 37 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: so it's not just Benetia that's closing. We're also losing 38 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: Phillip sixty six here in Los Angeles. So let's take 39 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: a look at those. We You know, we've, as you mentioned, 40 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: we've lost a whole lot of refineries over the years, 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: and so today we can refine about one point five 42 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: nine one point six million barrels of oil a day, 43 00:02:51,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: and we're losing Venetia and Los Angeles, so that's we're 44 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: going to lose about oh, eighteen percent of that capacity. However, 45 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: if you take a look of from twenty twenty three 46 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: to twenty twenty six, the schedule closing for Venetia will 47 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: be April twenty twenty six, we will be losing almost 48 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 3: twenty two percent of our capacity a day. Okay, so 49 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 3: what does that mean? That means about six point two 50 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: million gallons of gasoline a day. In shortfall, we consume 51 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: them in California about thirty three million gallons of gas 52 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: a day. We're going to lose about six point two 53 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: million gallons of gas a day. We're gonna have a 54 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: price increase. 55 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: How are they going to make up that amount of gasoline? 56 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: Well, that's a that's a that's a great question, and 57 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: it's a considerable amount to make up. Right, So, we 58 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: don't have any pipelines coming into the state, So I 59 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: if we had pipelines, we'll just go ahead and pump 60 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: gasoline through it. And pumping gas through pipeline is really 61 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: really inexpensive and extraordinarily efficient, so we'll have to bring 62 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: it into the state either on rail or most likely 63 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: on some type of maritime vessel ocean vehicle. So if 64 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 3: we did that, then we'd probably be looking at Washington State, 65 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: maybe Alaska as areas of sourcing for us, but it's 66 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: questionable whether or not they have the capacity to actually 67 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: provided an additional six million gallons of gas a day. 68 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 3: So the other alternative would be looking at Gulf Coast refineries. 69 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: In either case, we're going to have to ship the 70 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: gasoline in, probably on tankers, and you know, your average 71 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 3: tanker is going to hold about twelve about twelve point 72 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: five million gallons and gas. If we're you know, we'll 73 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: be we'll be bringing in a tanker every other day 74 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: to make up the shortfall. 75 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: Oh jeez. 76 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: And that's going to be collectively much more expensive than 77 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: the system we have now. 78 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: It's going to be considerably more expensive. Uh and you 79 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 3: and you already named it contributing factors. So in addition 80 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: to this, and believe me, there's there's probably three hundred 81 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: people working on this all over the all over the 82 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: country trying to figure out the cost of the shutdown 83 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: of these three refineries. 84 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: Today. 85 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 3: But you you know, we have the state excise tax 86 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: that goes up all automatically on July first, and that's 87 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 3: probably going to hit close to sixty three cents a gallon. 88 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 3: We're going to have an adjustment and cap and trade 89 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: that's going to go up considerably. And then you have 90 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: the as you mentioned that the low carbon fuel standard, 91 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: which I think the consensus among independent economists is around 92 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: sixty to sixty five cents a gallon, So all in all, 93 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: it could be as much as a dollar eighty a 94 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: gallon if these refineries shut down there and there is 95 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: an alternative, economically viable alternative. Remember, whoever makes this gasoline 96 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: is going to charge us for this gasoline. 97 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: A dollar eighty on top of the price we're paying. 98 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: Now quite possibly. 99 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: That's six dollars and sixty cents. 100 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: Well yes, but remember the twenty five percent of the 101 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: cap and trade is going to help pay for the 102 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: California High Speed Rail project, so you know, so you know, 103 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: probably and probably the same consultants as Karen Bass hired, 104 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: So you know, I mean, it's it's all good. In 105 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 3: the end. 106 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: I think we're going to be paid six sixty a 107 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: gallon and that's within a year, right, I mean, all 108 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: this stuff is going to happen over the course of 109 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: the next year. 110 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: If if if remedial action doesn't take place, or if 111 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: there's not an invention from Washington, d C. Then the 112 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 3: price of gas is going to go up, and it's 113 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: probably going to grow up considerably, because look, do you 114 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 3: really think reduction people are going to reduce their driving 115 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: by twenty two percent in the twelve months? 116 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: Now? 117 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: Do you really think that airlines are going to close? 118 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: You know, it's going to slow down? I mean, you know, yeah, 119 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: traffic is off at lax for all the reasons I 120 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: think you identified, But is it going to drop by 121 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: twenty two percent? So the answer is no, the supply 122 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: is dropping faster than to demand, and inevitably that's going 123 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: to increase the price just on pure economics. But then 124 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: you have the regulatory conflations that come in here, such 125 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: as l the LCSF, the Low Carbon Fruel Standard. They're 126 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: variable for cap and trade and in this huge unknown 127 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: as to where we're going to source the shortfall and 128 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: gasoline and honestly, who's going to pay for that? So 129 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: you know, the consumer pays for it. Ultimately, but who 130 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: pays for the initial acquisition of that gasoline? Is Sacramento 131 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: going to turn around to the surviving refineries and say, well, 132 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: you have to buy the gasoline from XYZ refineries and 133 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: ship it in here. You know who's going to actually 134 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: pay for that shortfall? And then there's a whole lot 135 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: of problems that appociated with the timing, the logistics. Is 136 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: it going to be summer blend? What do you do 137 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: about to switch over to winter bland. We're on a 138 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: different schedule than the rest of the country for the 139 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: seasonal blend switches and the ultimately you know, the low 140 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: carbon tool standard. When that hits, that's a different formulation. 141 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: So whoever makes this gas at whatever refinery out of 142 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: state is going to charge a premium for it. So 143 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: the cost will be just hired just to buy the 144 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: gasoline to sell to the public. 145 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: All right, Can you hang on for another segment because 146 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: I said, people probably are wondering why these refineries are 147 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: being Why are the oil companies shutting down so many 148 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: of the refineries that we had for so many years. 149 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: We're talking with Michael mcchey, he's a professor at USC. 150 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: He had the study just a couple of weeks ago 151 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: that said, much of the gas price situation here in 152 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: California is self inflicted by the state government with their 153 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: taxes and fees and regulations and policies and climate change 154 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: and all that. That's why we're paying, in some cases 155 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: over two bucks a gallon more than other states. And 156 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: there's not much evidence of oil company manipulation or price 157 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: gouging over the last fifty years. He looked, and now 158 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: you have more oil refineries closing and all those other 159 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: things happening, and you're looking at gas for six sixty 160 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: a gallon a year from now. 161 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 162 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 4: six forty. 163 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: We continue here with Michael mcche a professor USC. He 164 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: had the study out that we discussed on the air 165 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: with him about two weeks ago that after fifty years 166 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: of studying California gas prices, his conclusion is that the 167 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: reason we pay so much more than most other states is, well, 168 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: we pay a lot more than nearly all the states 169 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: is it's self inflicting. It's taxes and fees and policies 170 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: and regulations from the state of California. It's not oil 171 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 2: company manipulation or price gouging. He found a little evidence 172 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: of that. We're at four dollars and eighty four cents 173 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: a gallon today in California for regular The national average 174 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: is three sixteen three sixteen, so it's almost almost a 175 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: dollar seventy higher. Some states like Tennessee and Mississippi are 176 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: paying two sixty nine a gallon. There's twenty one states 177 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: paying under three dollars a gallon, and it's infuriating. And 178 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 2: now we're losing more refineries. There are refineries closing here 179 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles that Phillips sixty six owns. There's one 180 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: announced this week in Bensia in northern California that's owned 181 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: by Valera, and he's estimating that for various reasons, we're 182 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: looking to gas in my top six dollars and sixty 183 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: cents within the year. Let's get to Michael mcche back on, Michael, 184 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: Why are so many refineries closing, especially recently? 185 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: What's going on? 186 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: Obviously it's a I would guess a pure business decision. 187 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: No companies would lose money otherwise, is that it? Or 188 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: is there something else? 189 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: Well, there's a number of reasons. That's one of them. 190 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: I mean, it's UNI formerly recognized that California has the 191 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: most stringent regulatory environment in the United States. You know, 192 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: for example, we have something like five hundred and eighteen 193 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 3: state agency boards and commissions regulating business practices in California, 194 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: twenty five federal, state and local agencies overseeing oil and 195 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 3: gas production and and and are operating costs for refinery? 196 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: Is refinery operating costs and based based on the state's 197 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 3: own data, average anywhere from twenty five to thirty percent 198 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: higher in California than the rest of the country. So, 199 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 3: you know, taken as a whole, you know, if you're 200 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: a refiner, you have the twenty thirty five mandate. Uh 201 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 3: you know which which. 202 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: You know for this for the electric car mandate, right. 203 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: The electric car mandate right in total combustion cars. So 204 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 3: you're sitting there, you know, you have a refinery, and 205 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: you're asking yourself, well, g you know, is there any 206 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 3: future in California? And the uh, you know, I think 207 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 3: the overall conclusion is, well, if you own a refinery, 208 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 3: the sun is setting and isn't a future in California. 209 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: So as as more and more legislation gets laid on 210 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: these refineries, the only natural reaction is to systematically begin 211 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: to withdraw from the market. And again, you know, to 212 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: I think to a large extent that is that is 213 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: political an objective to force the market into the evs. 214 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: So you know, there's going to be a cost for 215 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: those survivors. But the consequences to California economy. What a 216 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: lot of people don't realize is that oil and gas 217 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: industry accounts for eight percent of California's three point nine 218 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 3: trillion dollar GDP, and so there's you know, there's an 219 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: awful lot of money involved here, and you can't run 220 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: a state without petroleum, So there are some significant strategic 221 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: implications to the state. There's national security importunity. 222 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: How do you manufacture anything without petroleum? How do you 223 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: transport anything without petroleum? I mean, all the products that 224 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: need petroleum just to exist when they're manufactured, let alone 225 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: running the factory itself. I mean, I just don't understand. 226 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: This seems like an economic suicide mission. We're just flying 227 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: the plane right onto the side of the mountain. 228 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: Yes, but we're doing so in the name of environmental 229 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: justice and clean air, and. 230 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: You know the green you know, the Green New Deal. 231 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So so that you know that's true. I mean, 232 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: you can't build asphalt without for example, without petroleum. You 233 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: can't make concrete without petroleum. There are hundreds of pharmaceutical products, 234 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: ingestible products that have a petroleum molecule in them. Uh, 235 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: you know, plastics, vinyls, there's pretty much everything is going 236 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: to have a pharmaceutical molecule associated with it, or of 237 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: petroleum molecule associated with it, or or petroleum is going 238 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: to get it from point A to point B. So 239 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: it would seem to me that, you know, rather than 240 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: pointing the guns at the at the refiners, which as 241 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: you mentioned there there is absolutely positively no economic evidence 242 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: over a fifty year period of these refiners manipulating prices 243 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: or price galgean. Were there periods of exceptional profits, yes? 244 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: Are there periods of exceptional losses? Yes, Those are associated 245 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 3: with the ups and downs of the spot oil market 246 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: and in demand. You know today right now the state 247 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: of California, which its state excise tax, makes more per gallon, 248 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: more more per gallon of gas than the gas station 249 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: owner and the refiner in terms of profit. So I 250 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: think confronted with that type of economic and political environment, 251 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: it's only natural that the refiners will begin to wind 252 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: down production. 253 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: I've never seen anything more abusive by a government than 254 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: the way California treats the oil and gas industry, and, 255 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: by extension, all of us because we're paying the bill 256 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: for all this. Mike, Michael, it was fascinating to talk 257 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: with you again, and I hope we can do this 258 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: more often, because you really seem to know more than 259 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: anybody else I've talked to about why this is going on, 260 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: and I think you're very accurate in pointing out what's 261 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: going to be happening in the state. 262 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: So thanks again for talking to you. 263 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: I appreciate that, John, and have a lovely weekend and anytime. 264 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: Okay, Michael, miche USC professor, Oh my god, so much there. 265 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: We'll talk to more. 266 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI. 267 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: We are on every day from one until four o'clock. 268 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: After four o'clock, John Cobelt's Show on demand. You demand 269 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: it and you'll get the show anytime in the day 270 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: or night anywhere. 271 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: In the world on the iHeartRadio app. 272 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: That's the podcast, so you can catch up on whatever 273 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: you missed. I just got to take a minute after 274 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: hearing I hope you're paying attention. 275 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: This is real. 276 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: Sometimes they feel like, maybe you think, is it possible. 277 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: He's just full of hyperbole, he's exaggerating. He's doing this 278 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: for effect. I go, no, You've got a gas pricing 279 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: apocalypse coming very soon. It's already here. You're paying forty 280 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 2: four a gallon in California. Other states are in the 281 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: two sixties. I mean, it's almost comical. We are likely 282 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: going to be in the six sixties. 283 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: Within a year. 284 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: There's several major events happening. There's a California Air Resources 285 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: Board sixty five cent low carbon fuel standard increase. That's 286 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: a mouthful. It's gonna sixty five cents because of this 287 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: new standard from carb And then you have a you 288 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: have a gas tax kicking in on the first of July. 289 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: And then you have all these refineries closing, two of 290 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: them by Phillips sixty six down in the Carson area 291 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: and one of them a big one in Benetia. We 292 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: are losing about twenty two percent of our gas supply 293 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: in a three year period. 294 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: There is six million gallons a day that's going. 295 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: To be missing, and so the price is going to 296 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 2: go up another dollar eighty within a year. If you 297 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: heard Michael MChE on the USC Professor and if you're 298 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: just joining us, that's the thing you listen to on 299 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 2: the podcast. And I'm looking at you know, Texas is 300 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: a two seventy two, Tennessee is two sixty nine, Mississippi 301 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: two sixty nine. 302 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: And you want to look at uh. 303 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: High tax states, they're much cheaper. New Jersey is two 304 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: ninety six, Massachusetts is two ninety four, New York is 305 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 2: three h nine. I mean, it's got nothing to do 306 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: with politics or whether you in a high tax state 307 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: or not. California stands by itself and there's there's forty 308 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: four states selling gas for three forty or less and 309 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 2: twenty one states selling it for under three dollars. And 310 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom's approval rating is at thirty three percent, which 311 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: is really low. That's lower than anything that Joe Biden 312 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: or Donald Trump ever had. Its thirty three percent here 313 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: in California. And he's gonna try to sell his wanna 314 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: be presidency on six dollars and sixty gas because by 315 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: time he's running, that's what it's gonna be. Can you imagine. 316 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 2: I mean, he is insane. There's something wrong with him. 317 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: He doesn't even do Usually politicians make drastic changes for 318 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: their own survival. He won't even do that. What a 319 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: weird cult, this climate cult is. It's had no effect 320 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: on the global climate. None. And I told you this, 321 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: We told you this ten twenty years ago. All it's 322 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: gonna do is drive up the cost in your life 323 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: for a gallon of gas, a tank full of gas 324 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: all year long, hundreds of dollars, thousands of dollars of 325 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 2: extra money to go wear. 326 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: It's just like six sixty a gallon. 327 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: And there is no way you can force people to 328 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: drive electric cars if they don't want to. There's no 329 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: way that they can afford them, and that you don't 330 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: have an electrical grid to power them. And every product 331 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 2: needs oil and gas, either in the manufacturing or the transportation, 332 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: or it's an ingredient in its very existence. I am 333 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: completely and utterly baffled by this. No other state's doing this, 334 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: No other state has this problem. There's only one state 335 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: within sixty cents of US, and that's Hawaii, and of 336 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 2: course you know it's three thousand miles out in the ocean, 337 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: so they got big transportation costs. You take the transportation 338 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: costs out and there's still thirty five cents behind us. 339 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 2: If this should be the defining issue of the governor's race, 340 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: I don't know how it's not. I mean, and a 341 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: few years ago, you remember the Yellow vest riots in Paris. 342 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 2: That was over a gas tax increase, and everybody took 343 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 2: to the streets and started setting fires and revolting. And 344 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: here we're just gonna pay six sixty a gown. There's 345 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 2: a several polls out and it seems like the uh, 346 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: the corpse of California voters, the corpse is starting to 347 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 2: stir a little bit. As I told you Newsome is 348 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: down to a thirty three percent approval rating. And now 349 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: there seems to be an increasing number of people who 350 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: are so fed up with homelessness. Get this, they want 351 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: to criminalize homelessness. 352 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: How about that? 353 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 2: Remember that used to be the comeback from all the 354 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: activists and the politicians and the homeless cult. Well, you 355 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 2: just want to criminalize homelessness. Yeah, I was the first 356 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: one onboard that train. Well, trade's getting crowded. Politico and 357 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: UC Berkeley they had a poll and there's thirty seven 358 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: percent who strongly support arresting homeless people if they refuse 359 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: to accept shelter, and another twenty four percent somewhat support. 360 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: It, so you got a pretty good majority. 361 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: Sixty one percent are willing to arrest homeless people if 362 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: they refuse shelter, and only thirty eight percent opposed the 363 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: idea because it's disgusting, it's no way to live. And 364 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 2: by the way, it was discussing ten years ago and 365 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 2: people bought into this idea that you can rehabilitate homeless 366 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: people just give them a free million dollar apartment, Like 367 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: can you imagine that they actually had been doing that 368 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles for ten years, building million dollar apartments. 369 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: And Karen Bass, who's really dumb, she is a dumb clock. 370 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: She's continued the policy million dollars for an apartment. 371 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: They're doing it in Santa Monica. Two. 372 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: Interesting This Politico UC Berkeley poll also pulled the state's 373 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: political elite, all the insiders who work in Sacramento, and 374 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: a higher percentage a pose using law enforcement to detain 375 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: people sleeping on sidewalks and other public spaces. That's what 376 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: I'm saying, there's a cult running Sacramento whose policy ideas 377 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: are far different than what the general public would impose. 378 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 2: If we could be in power. But you have to 379 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: stop electing these people. I don't know what to tell you, 380 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 2: but if you want to keep dealing with dangerous, maniacal 381 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 2: vagrants in the streets and you pay six dollars and 382 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: sixty cents a gallon for the privilege of driving past 383 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: their encampments, you've got to vote differently. You cannot keep 384 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 2: doing this. And I'm guessing people are waking up here. 385 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: Most of you know it's a democratic it's establishment almost entirely, 386 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: well entirely, it's an entirely democratic establishment. There's no Republicans 387 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: in charge anything, and they still are pushing voluntary offers 388 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: of shelter. Please, would you go into a drug treatment? Please? 389 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: Would you go into a mental health clinic? 390 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 2: And crazy people don't know they're crazy and don't care 391 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 2: that they're crazy. Drug addicts don't care that they're drug addicts. 392 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: This idea that you can fix people, whether it's the 393 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: insanity in the streets or the Menendez brothers, you can't. 394 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: Sometimes people are permanently severely damaged and there's nothing you 395 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: can do about it. But all this emotional manipulation, all right, 396 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 2: more coming up. 397 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 398 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 4: six forty. 399 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: Next hour, two rounds of the Moist Line, and we're 400 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 2: gonna talk with Alex Michaelson, who's going to be a 401 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: guest hosting the show on Monday, and we're gonna have 402 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: the complete rundown in. Just the most absurd story in 403 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: Washington this week is the obsession that Democratic politicians have 404 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: with Kilmore Abrego Garcia, the MS thirteen violent gang member 405 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: who was deported to El Salvador and put in that 406 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: supermax prison. He's now in a different place, and today 407 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: a Democratic senator who got to meet him, Chris van 408 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: Holland out of Maryland, was blubbering at a press conference. Well, meantime, 409 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: Fox News found more evidence that Abrego Garcia is a 410 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: very bad guy. Yesterday we found out that he's a 411 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: wife beater. Now you're going to find out what he 412 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 2: was involved in as a gang member. You know, they 413 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: have certain businesses that they run, these foreign gigs. We'll 414 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 2: tell you all about it. But this is a really 415 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 2: bad guy. You should be so happy he's locked in 416 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 2: a prison in El Salvador. 417 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: Now. 418 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: Yesterday and you know, I got to be honest, and 419 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 2: I think most people feel like this. There's so many 420 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 2: school shootings that people barely notice him anymore. Florida State 421 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: University had one Phoenix Ickner twenty years old. He killed 422 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 2: two and wounded six others. And I have noticed over 423 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 2: the years, and maybe this is what made me cynical, 424 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: is nearly all these school shooters were made at home. 425 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 2: Like the father and mother, the step parents, They created 426 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 2: the problem, and then once the kid was old enough 427 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: to get loose, he was going to get his revenge. 428 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 2: And that's what we have here. His name is Phoenix Ichtor. 429 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 2: That was not his birth name. His birth name was Christian, 430 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: but he renamed himself Phoenix. And it turns out when 431 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: he was eleven years old, his biological mother and Marie Erickson, 432 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: took the boy to Norway in March. 433 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: Of twenty fifteen. 434 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: In violation of the custody agreement that she had with 435 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: the dad, Christopher. So here you have another busted family, 436 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: broken family, broken marriage, and mom runs. 437 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: Off to Norway. 438 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: She lied to the father saying she was taking him 439 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: to South Florida for spring break, and instead for months 440 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: he was in Norway, and the dad only found out 441 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: when the eleven year old spilled the beans during a 442 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: phone call. Sounds like it happened by accident. Yeah, but 443 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: mom kidnapped him and eventually came back, and eventually the 444 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: mom was arrested. But the kid was troubled already. He 445 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: was on medication for several health and mental issues growth 446 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: hormone disorder ADHD, and mom kidnapping him caused a lot 447 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: of trauma. By time he gets to school at Florida State, 448 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: he got thrown out of a political roundtable club. 449 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: They had this. 450 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: Rule, a no Nazis rule, and may die Hi mean 451 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: literal Nazis, just people who had white supremacist views that 452 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: they were real enthusiastic about. Apparently he espoused so much 453 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 2: white supremacist rhetoric had we had to throw him out 454 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: of the club. Send one member in the politics class. 455 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: He had disturbing views about black people, far right conspiracy theories. 456 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: One guy got into arguments with him, a guy named 457 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: Lucas Lucietta, and he remembers thinking this man should not 458 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: have access to firearms, but he did because Ickner's stepmom 459 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: was a cop with the Leon County Sheriff's Department. She 460 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: was a sheriff's deputy, and he made a very clear 461 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: that he had guns, and one of the guns he used. 462 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: To shoot the eight people is believed to belong to 463 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: his mom. 464 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: But all this started when he was six, and probably 465 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: before he was six. It's wait, every time you have 466 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: one of these killers, every time you delve for thirty 467 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: seconds into the family background and you could see it coming. 468 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: The parents create these monsters, all right. When we return Kilmore, 469 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: Abrego Garsea. Unbelievable how the media, all the progressives and 470 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: politicians are literally crying. Oh, we had a senator today 471 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: practically in tears because one illegal alien gang member was 472 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: deported to his home country. Oh, but they didn't follow 473 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: the proper protocol. Whoa out. It turns out he's a 474 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: really bad guy. And we'll get into that two rounds 475 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: of the moist. Like Alex Michaelson coming on after three 476 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: point thirty. He's going to be filling in for me 477 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: on Monday as well. We'll talk to him for a 478 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 2: few minutes and in for Deborah Mark. 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