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Speaker 1: for decades. If you read those, you knew Kabo was

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Speaker 1: going to fall. That's why it insurprised me at all

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Speaker 1: whenever it happened. The Soviet Afghan lesson is also instructive

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Speaker 1: the groups that we did was because they were the

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Speaker 1: most They were the sort of most ruthless, so that

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Speaker 1: made them the most effective in terms of our cause.

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Speaker 1: We also trusted the Pakistanis to tell us who we

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Speaker 1: should be funneling weapons to. But you know, I'm also

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Speaker 1: interested in the part of the documentary that they tease

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Speaker 1: there where they've got the guy saying he's not going

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Speaker 1: to tell you what type of unit he's in charge of.

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to know more about that guy.

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Speaker 1: I want to know more about what's going on there

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Speaker 1: and who exactly these weapons are going to. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's pretty extraordinary that this got pulled and there was

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Speaker 1: nary a peep about it. And this was a massive

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Speaker 1: expenditure of resources US News to put reporters on the

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Speaker 1: ground and get all this footage. Very dangerous. I mean, journalists,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure put their lives at risk in order to

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Speaker 1: get this footage. You could see it literally it was

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Speaker 1: in the line of fire. Anytime you have, you know,

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Speaker 1: journalists on the ground in a war zone, this is

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Speaker 1: not just you know, you're there on your own figuring,

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Speaker 1: and I know there's a whole team around you and

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Speaker 1: fixers that are involved. I mean, it was a very elaborate, costly,

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Speaker 1: dangerous process to gather this footage. And now it's disappeared,

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Speaker 1: and I wonder you think they're going to update it

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Speaker 1: and put it back up again. Now I get so

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Speaker 1: that is just dead for US. I do think they're

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Speaker 1: going to have to update it just because well, now

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Speaker 1: that we'll have done a segment on it, I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to assume some others we'll probably going to pick

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Speaker 1: up on it. But yeah, yeah, look it is certainly revealing.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 1: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal d We

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Speaker 1: do I don't know. We really had to describe the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the barrel to figure out what to talk

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Speaker 1: about today. No, I mean, honestly, guys, we had a

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Speaker 1: whole other show plan for you, and then lo and behold,

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Speaker 1: the FBI raids the former president's residence in Florida. So

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Speaker 1: rather than get into a big preamble here, let's just

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Speaker 1: jump straight into it. So yesterday evening we got this

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Speaker 1: news from the former president himself. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: put his statement up on the screen and I'll read

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Speaker 1: to you a good portion of this. We don't think

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Speaker 1: need to hear the whole thing, but with a little

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Speaker 1: flavor of it. He says, these are dark times for

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Speaker 1: our nation, as my beautiful home mar Lago in Palm Beach, Florida,

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Speaker 1: is currently under siege, rated and occupied by a large

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Speaker 1: group of FBI agents. Nothing like this ever happened to

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Speaker 1: a president of the United States before. That is true,

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Speaker 1: After working and cooperating with the relevant government agencies, this

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Speaker 1: unannounced rate on my home was not necessary or appropriate.

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Speaker 1: It is prosecutorial misconduct. The weaponization of the justice system

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Speaker 1: and an attack by radical left Democrats who desperately don't

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Speaker 1: want me to run for president in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: especially based on recent polls, and will likewise do anything

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Speaker 1: to stop Republicans and Conservatives in the upcoming midterm elections.

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Speaker 1: Such an assault could only take place in broken third

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Speaker 1: World countries. Sadly, America has now become one of those countries,

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Speaker 1: corrupt at a level not seen before they even broke

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Speaker 1: into my safe. What is the difference between this and Watergate,

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Speaker 1: where operatives broke into the Democrat and National Committee. Here

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Speaker 1: in reverse, Democrats that broke into the home of the

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Speaker 1: forty fifth president of the United States. So let me

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Speaker 1: just say at the top here that listen, we still

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Speaker 1: have precious few details about what they were looking for,

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Speaker 1: what exactly this was all about, What this is going

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Speaker 1: to lead to, what sort of information the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: and presumably the federal judge who signed off on this,

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Speaker 1: but they have access to that, none of us knows.

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Speaker 1: So we're just going to go through the facts as

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Speaker 1: we know them right now. In what is I mean,

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Speaker 1: He's right that this has never happened before in history.

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing we can say for certain is

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Speaker 1: this is an absolutely extraordinary turn of events. And I

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Speaker 1: do think it's important to have these sort of overall context,

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Speaker 1: which is that the president is subject to investigation on

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Speaker 1: any number of fronts. One over is you know there's

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Speaker 1: a DC grand jury too, actually DC grand juries that

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Speaker 1: are looking into his involvement on January sixth. There's Georgia

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Speaker 1: prosecutors looking into the fake elector scheme there and potentially

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Speaker 1: what Trump's involvement was with that scheme. There's a New

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Speaker 1: York investigation into his business, and there is also an

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Speaker 1: investigation into his handling of classified materials. And what we

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Speaker 1: have learned, according to reporting to the New York Times

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Speaker 1: and other places, is that this FBI search of mar

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Speaker 1: Lago had to do with that last piece, the handle

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Speaker 1: of classified documents. Let's go ahead and put Maggie Haberman

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Speaker 1: up on the screen here. So she had this. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it was a scoop, if she was

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Speaker 1: the first to get us, but she was one among

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Speaker 1: several to have this piece of information that the search

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Speaker 1: related to the fifteen boxes of material Trump took to

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Speaker 1: Mara a Lago last year, per three different sources, According

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Speaker 1: multiple people familiar with the investigation appeared to be focused

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Speaker 1: on that material that he brought with him to Mara

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Speaker 1: A Lago, his private club and residence when he left

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Speaker 1: the White House. Those boxes contained many pages of classified documents.

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Speaker 1: According to a person familiar with their contents, we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into a minute into all of the details

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Speaker 1: of what we know about those documents, and let me

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Speaker 1: just put this last piece up on the screen here

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Speaker 1: from Jonathan Lamier, who kind of has all of the

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Speaker 1: details that we know at this point that the focus

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Speaker 1: was on mishandled classified government documents, that the raid took hours. Actually,

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Speaker 1: the very first reporter to break this story was just

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Speaker 1: this like random Florida reporter. According to their sources. They

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Speaker 1: said the FBI had been at mar A Lago all day,

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Speaker 1: since the morning, and they actually were like, I, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, am not a strong enough reporter

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Speaker 1: to chase this down, but I promise it's real. And

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Speaker 1: of course it did turn out to be real. Trump

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Speaker 1: was not at mar A Lago. He could probably presume

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Speaker 1: that that was intentional. He was in New York at

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Speaker 1: the time, and the Biden Whitehouse apparently was not given

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Speaker 1: a heads up top aids learned about it on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and by news accounts, as we all did. The last

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Speaker 1: piece they have there is that potentially why this is

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Speaker 1: happening right now at this time is because we are

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Speaker 1: just about into ninety days before the election. Remember at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the week we were talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: one hundred days till the election just recently. So typically

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Speaker 1: ninety days out from an election, there's what's called a

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Speaker 1: quiet period where they don't want to have any big

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Speaker 1: actions like this that could impact the politics of the situation.

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Speaker 1: So soccer, that's basically what we Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's anything else to say except it's obviously

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary event. We don't appear to know all that

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Speaker 1: much currently. The focus appears to be on mishandled classified

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Speaker 1: government documents. Of course, it's an extraordinary event for the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice to sign off on a search warrant

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Speaker 1: to the former president of the United States in order

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Speaker 1: to raise his compound. It's even more extraordinary because an

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Speaker 1: a judge apparently reviewed the evidence and found evidence not

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Speaker 1: only that the search warrant would be aided to an investigation,

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Speaker 1: but that they had reasonable suspicion that they would find

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Speaker 1: something that would aid that investigation and push it even further.

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Speaker 1: And of course, as you and I have been discussing,

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Speaker 1: search warrants often turn up other materials or other things

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Speaker 1: that it could be in plane view or site which

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Speaker 1: could then be used in the investigation. We have had

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Speaker 1: nothing yet from the FBI, and I went back and

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Speaker 1: looked Christopher Ray, who of course was selected by President

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Speaker 1: Trump after he fire James Comey actually protestified before Congress

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Speaker 1: and said that if he were to conduct an investigation

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Speaker 1: into anybody's name, that he would do undo he would

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Speaker 1: take an extraordinary amount of course, again I'm just reiterating

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Speaker 1: what he said at the time was if I were

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Speaker 1: to investigate somebody of political prominence, I would go out

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Speaker 1: of my way and not to smirch their character, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the public sphere. He was at that time, he

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Speaker 1: was rebuking James Comy, because we'll remember that there was

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Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy stuff that happened in the Comy

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Speaker 1: investigation of Hillary Clinton, extraordinary amount of like almost public transparency,

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Speaker 1: Komy of course, getting press conferences, which at the time

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Speaker 1: was you know, extraordinarily out of the norm he was

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Speaker 1: actually even rebuked by Loretta Lynch for doing so. Everybody hated,

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Speaker 1: everybody hated the way it was horrific. And then beyond that,

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Speaker 1: you know, of course the political influence of Loretta Lynch

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Speaker 1: at the time. So of course Biden Whitehouse claims that

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Speaker 1: they did not know about this. Previous reporting does indicate

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Speaker 1: though Crystal, the President Biden had been very frustrated and

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Speaker 1: it made it known not necessarily to Merrick Garland, but

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Speaker 1: to other people around him and his Coacherie that he

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Speaker 1: was frustrated that Merrick Garland had not been investigating former

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Speaker 1: President Trump. So that appears to be the case. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as I was telling you this morning, having a lot

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Speaker 1: of flashbacks to Loretta Lynch, the bomb administration, the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice, the tarmac meetings and more. So, I think

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Speaker 1: everybody should just buckle up and get ready to learn

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Speaker 1: a hell of a lot about the Presidential Records Act,

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Speaker 1: about the constitutional education for today. Yes, I've spent the

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Speaker 1: last several hours reading about all this an expert, I

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Speaker 1: mean there is Look, there's so much to say about this.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I do want to underscore some of

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Speaker 1: the basic points here about what it takes to get

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Speaker 1: this type of warrant to conduct a search of anyone's home.

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Speaker 1: The idea is that you have to prove there is

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Speaker 1: a probable cause of a crime and that it is

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Speaker 1: likely you will turn up evidence of that crime in

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Speaker 1: the search. Obviously, you know the other option available is

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Speaker 1: a subpoena. The reason that you do a search instead

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Speaker 1: of or in conjunction with a subpoena. We don't know

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Speaker 1: whether a subpena is issued or not, is because you

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Speaker 1: fear that those documents are whatever you're looking for, might

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Speaker 1: be hidden, might be taken away. So the fact that

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Speaker 1: you know, you have the Department of Justice, and I

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Speaker 1: mean it's one hundred percent certain that Merrick Garland's signed

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Speaker 1: off on something of this sort of political significance, This

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Speaker 1: would have gone all the way to the top he

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Speaker 1: signs off on it. Then you have a federal judge saying, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think there's probable cause, and I think that you're

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Speaker 1: likely to turn up evidence in this search that is

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Speaker 1: incredibly extraordinary, as you're pointing out, just to underscore again,

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Speaker 1: while the search based on what we know, and I

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Speaker 1: do think it's important to put the caveat in there

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Speaker 1: of like reporting changes, and these are very early facts,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that we know it has to do

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Speaker 1: with the record saying doesn't necessarily completely rule out that

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Speaker 1: there are others. There were other things in the affidavit.

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Speaker 1: That's possible as well. But you know what Trump is saying,

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Speaker 1: is they really they searched his private residence, they searched

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Speaker 1: his office, they went into his safe, and anything that

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Speaker 1: they turn up in that, even if it's not directly

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Speaker 1: related to the classified records issue, could be potentially used

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Speaker 1: in other investigations. So really important to underscore that even

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Speaker 1: if the reporting is wrecked that the issue at hand

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Speaker 1: that allowed them to authorize this search had to do

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Speaker 1: with classified materials, that does not mean that it won't

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Speaker 1: potentially touch other ongoing investigations that we know are being

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Speaker 1: conducted right now. I think it's also important to note

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Speaker 1: some of the things that have come out in the

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Speaker 1: media recently. There has been significant reporting that there seemed

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Speaker 1: to be an escalation in terms of the sort of

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Speaker 1: heightened scrutiny and direct investigations into Trump. We talked to

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Speaker 1: you before about those DC grand juries who were being

647
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: presented evidence, and two of Mike Pence's aides came and

648
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: testified to them, and they were asking very specific questions

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Speaker 1: about what Trump knew, what those meetings were like, and

650
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Speaker 1: what his involvement was in the Actually the fake elector

651
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Speaker 1: scheme seemed to be war of what they were focused

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Speaker 1: on versus his sort of incitement around January sixth, So

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Speaker 1: that's important to keep in mind. Another thing that's important

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Speaker 1: to keep in mind is your recall Garland. Attorney General

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland recently gave a fairly rare interview to Lester

656
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Speaker 1: Hold of NBC News in which for the first time,

657
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: he said very clearly that you know, he would follow

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Speaker 1: the facts wherever they went and that no person was

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Speaker 1: above the law, seeming to open the door for look,

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Speaker 1: we could be potentially, you know, looking at indicting former

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Speaker 1: President Trump. And then the last piece that I'll add

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Speaker 1: to that sort of overall context is, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you saw this soccer, but former Attorney General Eric

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Speaker 1: Holder had been interviewed recently and he outright predicted that

665
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Speaker 1: given what we know in the public sphere, and I

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Speaker 1: assume that he's still pretty well connected in the Justice

667
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: Department in other places, he outright predicted that the president

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Speaker 1: would be indicted, given how extraordinary it is to have

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Speaker 1: I mean that this has never happened before. The President's

670
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Speaker 1: home being searched by the FBI. It's pretty hard to

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Speaker 1: imagine at this point that they go to that length

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Speaker 1: and don't ultimately end up with some sort of indictment

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Speaker 1: of the former president. It's hard to read the set

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Speaker 1: of facts otherwise. We will speak well also, and this

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Speaker 1: is possibly the case, we'll speaking with lawyer Bradley Moss.

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Speaker 1: He's actually a national security lawyer who specializes in classified litigation,

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Speaker 1: so we were speaking with him about that. But actually

678
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Speaker 1: I was speaking with him earlier when we were booking

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Speaker 1: him last night, and it's actually even possible that this

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Speaker 1: isn't even about Trump necessarily, but it's also about the

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Speaker 1: people around him. So we'll also get to the political ramifications,

682
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: which is I think just at the top will state this,

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00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: they better have the goods because if they don't, they

684
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: have unleashed Holy hell onto American politics. And that's probably

685
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: a good segue into the Fox News reaction because they

686
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: were very measured in nuanced. No, they immediately were you know,

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00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: went all in on which hunt deep state. I think

688
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: the News broke during while Jesse Waters was hosting, so

689
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: here is his immediate react. Let's take a listen. We

690
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: were told that the FBI wasn't going to get involved

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Speaker 1: in any politically charged search warrants, investigations, announcements, indictments before

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Speaker 1: an election. We were told that, I mean, remember what

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Speaker 1: they did with the crooked situation with the server. They

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Speaker 1: made all sorts of announcements, then they investigated the Trump campaign.

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Speaker 1: Then you saw what they did in October by covering

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Speaker 1: up the laptop, and now they're gonna send agents into

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Speaker 1: mar A Lago before the midterm election. This is not

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Speaker 1: what we were told the FBI was going to do,

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Speaker 1: especially data on the heels of what we just did

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Speaker 1: at the top of the show, when we just laid

701
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: out how you know Paul Pelosi sor uh suspiciously involved

702
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: in insider trading with the with the wife Nancy, and

703
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: then she takes her son too this Asian trip. Tries

704
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Speaker 1: to hide it while he's got lithium investments, he's got

705
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 1: ev battery investments all over these Asian countries. They're trying

706
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Speaker 1: to cover it up, and nothing gets done with Hunter.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to push that off, make it a little

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Speaker 1: just little tax thing. Make that go away. Meanwhile, we

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Speaker 1: have evidence that they were holding ten for the big guy.

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Speaker 1: Diamonds are being exchanged. There's like one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: flags from Treasury that there were suspicious wire transfers coming

712
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Speaker 1: from all these countries China, Russia, Ukraine into the Biden

713
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Speaker 1: family bank accounts that were all co mingled. And you're

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Speaker 1: sending agents to Marrow Lago. Did they get the address wrong?

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Speaker 1: Dana some fair Port Pullo c under VI the diamonds

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Speaker 1: exchanges there. Here's what I will say again about the

717
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: rush to judgment. Here. If your position is that no

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Speaker 1: president should ever face investigation, that they should just be

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Speaker 1: completely above which there are some people who hold that. You,

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Speaker 1: then you can you know, then yes, you know how

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Speaker 1: you feel about this. Right, you can say I don't

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Speaker 1: think that this approach to do to any president. But

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Speaker 1: of course Jesse doesn't take that tact. It's that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I do think presidents should be prosecuted. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: already absolve Trump of any sort of culpability and assume

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Speaker 1: the person who should be investigated. Yeah, I think the

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Speaker 1: absolution is the problem exactly. And that's the thing I

728
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Speaker 1: mean there is no disagreement. I think on this show, Chrystal,

729
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Speaker 1: that Hunter should be full investigated, I think to the

730
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Speaker 1: full extent of the law, based on anything we've seen

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Speaker 1: on the laptop, you know, et cetera. And if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't any connections, corrupt connections, especially corrupt connections to the

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Speaker 1: White House, foreign wire transfers and all that his own

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Speaker 1: personal life and degeneracy aside like in terms of what

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Speaker 1: actually had an impact. And look, I mean, it would

736
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Speaker 1: be a problem if there's selective application of the law,

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Speaker 1: and I'm almost certain of that will probably be the

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Speaker 1: main political controversy going forward. As you said, immediate rushes

739
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Speaker 1: and you know, denunciations thrown up there. Marjorie Taylor Green

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Speaker 1: putting a picture of the US flag literally upside down,

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Speaker 1: the Candice Owen's reaction. Let's go ahead and put that

742
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Speaker 1: up there as well. The FBI must be legally informed

743
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: to dissolve what happened to Trump is possibly studying a

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00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: markup unchecked government power. I will no longer recognize the

745
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Speaker 1: country I live in. We must all come together to

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00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: fight this evil. I mean, you and I were talking

747
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: to me. I could co sign that very first set.

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Speaker 1: This is the part where I'm extraordinarily conflicted because now

749
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Speaker 1: I say, we're about to get to this, you know,

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Speaker 1: talk about GP action. Everybody's calling for like an investigation,

751
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Speaker 1: a church committee, a dissolution of the FBI at the

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Speaker 1: top ranks. I'm like, well, you know, it wouldn't be

753
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: such a bad thing. I wouldn't mind actually seeing all

754
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: of these records just spilled forward. We've talked previously about

755
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Speaker 1: such all the sketchy things that have gone on in

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Speaker 1: terms of wiretaps, class in terms of I mean, think

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00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: about even the Carter Page FISA and like the high

758
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: jinks that that went to. And really it wasn't even

759
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: about Carter Page. That just revealed like how sketchy the

760
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: Flyser process is for thousands, hundreds of thousands of America.

761
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Speaker 1: We had the illusion of some like checking out. Exactly

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Speaker 1: it is just a complete rubbers And we've spoken I

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Speaker 1: think about the number of secret FBI informants and all

764
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: of that. So perhaps if there is one good thing

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Speaker 1: that comes from this and Republicans do take power in

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Speaker 1: House of Representatives, that we will get like a wholesale

767
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Speaker 1: transparency of every I mean, I'm really what I learned

768
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Speaker 1: more about from Russia Gate was just how shoddy the

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Speaker 1: top levels of the FBI operate at all times, not

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Speaker 1: just with the Hillary I mean, the thing that was

771
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Speaker 1: funny that I was pointing to is like you had

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, Candace Owens and a lot more besides,

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Speaker 1: who are immediately like literally writing out defund the FBI.

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Speaker 1: I like, you know what you said, anyway, forget it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we agree, We're like you want the FBI, I do it,

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Speaker 1: go for it. Actually, nice little horseshoe moment there. We're

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Speaker 1: all for it. Apparently Bannon's reaction to this we have

778
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Speaker 1: as well. He says, mister President, I've said this for months.

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Speaker 1: Ride now and ride hard. We need to stop laying

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Speaker 1: around and go full smash mouth. Announced for the presidency

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at mar A Lago. So we'll wait and see

782
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Speaker 1: if it's actually listens to. That would probably be the

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Speaker 1: most logical political conclusion. Well, this is I mean, this

784
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Speaker 1: is what a lot of people have been speculating for

785
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: a while. Is that part of his motivation not only

786
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: for announcing early, but actually for running for president again

787
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Speaker 1: at all, is to try to avoid some of the

788
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Speaker 1: legal jeopardy that he is. You know legitimately in right again,

789
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Speaker 1: not just on the presidential records thing, but fake electors

790
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: in Georgia, the DC grand Jury New York, also investigation

791
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: into his business. All of those things seemed to be

792
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: sort of heating up where it seemed very quiet and

793
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: very slow for a long time. We now have more

794
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: and more reporting about Okay, there seems to be real,

795
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, a narrow timeframe to reach an end, reach

796
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Speaker 1: a conclusion, and very possible, if not likely, that the

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Speaker 1: president ends up indicted. So he's not just facing problems

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Speaker 1: on this front, but he's facing problems on a number

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Speaker 1: of fronts. So it wouldn't surprise me if now Republicans

800
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: were reportedly like really not happy about the idea that

801
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: he might launch before the midterms because they don't want

802
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: the midterm election to be a rougherendum on Trump. They

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00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: want to keep the focus all on Joe Biden and

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00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: inflation and the problems there. So I've also seen some

805
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: sort of galaxy brain takes that actually, this is all

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Speaker 1: good for Trump. Listen, if there's tremendous overreach here and

807
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: there's back like if we go down that path, then maybe,

808
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: But in general, when the FBI raids, your home, your office,

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00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: You're safe and all the rest. It's as I think

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00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: Josh Barrow said this online, it's generally a good rule

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Speaker 1: of thumb. It's not good for you personally or politically.

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Speaker 1: And I think trying to concoct this like, oh, this

813
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: is actually all forty chess thing is a bit of

814
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Speaker 1: a stretch. Yeah, I think you're I mean, look, there's

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Speaker 1: two ways this goes. And I mean, look, given the

816
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Speaker 1: handling of Russia Gate and all that, and the idiocy

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Speaker 1: of the top levels of the DOJ, do we put

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Speaker 1: it past that they dramatically overreached. I don't put that

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Speaker 1: pass four second, which would be the greatest political boon

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump that has ever existed. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: should always remember. I'll never forget this. January of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: I believe I did a monologue and you and I

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Speaker 1: were discussing that at the height of impeachment, the height

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Speaker 1: was also coinciding with the largest amount of GOP identification

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Speaker 1: that we had seen in modern American history. And the

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Speaker 1: reason why was that the Democrats were making it all

827
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Speaker 1: about Russia Gate, all about Mueller, and all about what

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Speaker 1: was even impeachment. One like Ukraine Gate and the perfect

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Speaker 1: phone call. Right, So at that time, people cared so

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Speaker 1: little and the economy, look, I had many structural problems,

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00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: but let's be honest, like it was not bad at

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Speaker 1: the top, at least for the middle class and for

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00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: the upper class. People were basically saying, listen, the dams

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Speaker 1: are offering me only one alternative. I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: and identify as GOP. Now, obviously the coronavirus pandemic and

836
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: threw everything into a wrench with that. But that is

837
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Speaker 1: a very prescient lesson, which is that if you overreached

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Speaker 1: to the American public and Russia Gate became one of

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Speaker 1: those things which was a household joke, I mean outside

840
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Speaker 1: of MSNBC circles. Given ultimately what happened, if that is

841
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Speaker 1: a repeat of what we see here, which we cannot

842
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: put that out of the question. I mean, my god

843
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Speaker 1: like well, I can't even believe that they will have

844
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: inflicted that on us. Now, it's also possible that they

845
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: actually do have him dead to rights this time, that

846
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: they have learned some of these lessons and that politically

847
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: things will go completely the other way, that they will

848
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Speaker 1: make it so that you know, he legitimately has been

849
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: quote caught red handed. But I can't just help but

850
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: think of the twenty sixteen tweet, which we were laughing

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Speaker 1: about this morning. It's like, how's old Donnie going to

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Speaker 1: wriggle his way out of this one? He wriggles his

853
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: way out? Oh well, yeah. I mean, it's hard to

854
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Speaker 1: have covered all of these huxarious things and seen the

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Speaker 1: way they play out and not feel that way right,

856
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Speaker 1: not feel like this is another like oh, the walls

857
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: are closing in right moment, when the walls never actually

858
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: end up closing in. But one thing that's different he's

859
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: not the president anymore correct. Another thing, yeah, And another

860
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: thing that's different is, I mean, we never have had

861
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: actual federal investigations on multiple fronts. We never have had

862
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: an FBI raid of his home, So there are reasons

863
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: to think that maybe there is something this story will

864
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: end differently. I'll also say, I mean, I think there's

865
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: a couple things here. Him not having a perch on

866
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: Twitter and not having so much control of the media,

867
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: I think hobbles his attempt to really, you know, to

868
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: really respond in the way that he did when he

869
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: was president in the United States. And I also think that,

870
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: you know, the January sixth committee hearings all my you know,

871
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: issues with the focus on them and the things we've

872
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: said on the show before, which you can go back

873
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: and rewatch, I think they had been more impactful than

874
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: I expected, and even not that it has persuaded Republican

875
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: voters that oh, January sixth was really bad and Trump

876
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: is evil and awvel and whatever. But remember we played

877
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: that Fox News montage which was basically some like pro

878
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: DeSantis propaganda voters in Arizona. But what they were saying

879
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: was not like, oh, Donald Trump's ben I can't stand him.

880
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: They were basically like, listen, I like the guy, but

881
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: the reality is he's just too divisive for the country,

882
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: and I just you know, it sucks, but I feel

883
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: like we have to move on. So obviously that was

884
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: very cherry picked piece of propaganda that Fox News put together,

885
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: but it did signal to me that there is some

886
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: sentiment within the GOP base of like sort of, you know,

887
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: I wish it was different, and I wish that this

888
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: guy wasn't such a like divisive, polarizing figure, but it

889
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: is what it is, and so we need to look

890
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: to somebody else. I could see how this would continue

891
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: to fuel that sense of like, gosh, I wish it

892
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: wasn't this way, but we need to move forward. Yeah,

893
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: I mean, look again, all possible. There is one other

894
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: piece of the show in addition to our monologues. Our

895
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: monologues also predated the what did you call it? One

896
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: hundred megaton one hundred megaton event political event, which is

897
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 1: there was for our media block. There was a deep

898
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: interview with Rachel Maddow, who of course was and still

899
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: is the megaton or megawatt star at MSNBC, who signed

900
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: this gigantic new deal to basically not be on TV

901
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: every night anymore. And this was her first big sit

902
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: down with a writer for Vanity Fair who you know,

903
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: interviewed her. I think over a number of days about

904
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: how what she thinks about the world and what she

905
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: wants to do next and all of that, and you know,

906
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: I read through the whole thing. It's always just interesting

907
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: to get into the mind of someone like this. And

908
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: she has an unusual figure because, first of all, she

909
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: also is very not online, which makes her kind of

910
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: unique among the cable news punditry and host class. She

911
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: also had some very like favorable things to say about

912
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, which I think shocked a lot of people.

913
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: But the part we wanted to focus on is that,

914
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, and this does tie into like Trump and

915
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: his various scandals and all of that. She got pressed

916
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: a bit on her handling of Russiagate and how far

917
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: she went down the conspiracy rabbit hole. And this was

918
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: done in a relatively like you know, kid gloves friendly

919
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: kind of a way, but still continue to be quite reveally.

920
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put the first piece up on

921
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: the screen that we have here. This is what the

922
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair article looks like. This picture of Rachel in

923
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: the woods split splittin wood there says exclusive Rachel Maddow

924
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: gives her first interview as she steps back from the

925
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: nightly grind and revs up for her next act. Let's

926
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: go ahead and put the next piece up. Let's put

927
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: the third actually element that we have up on the

928
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: screen here. So this is where she was asked to

929
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: reflect on her coverage of the Steele dossier and no

930
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: joke she used the Dan Rather scandal over the Remember

931
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: this is really reaching back in the archives. There were

932
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: fabricated documents that they ran with that, Dan rather ran

933
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Speaker 1: with to, you know, call into question George W. Bush's

934
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Speaker 1: National Guard Service and say that they were basically but

935
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, it was falsified, and then he didn't really

936
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: serve and all of a sudden this turned out to

937
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: they were unable to authenticate it a gigantic scandal. He

938
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: lost her job, other people lost his job. There's actually

939
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: a documentary about the failings there. But let me read

940
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: to you specifically what she said. As she said, trying

941
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: to turn the Russian scandal into just the Steele dossier,

942
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: or trying to turn the dossier into the Russian scandal

943
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: is a revisionist history designed to intimidate people kind of

944
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: covering stories like that in the future, and to try

945
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: to obscure the seriousness of what Russia did with the

946
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: Trump campaign's relationship was with what Russia did. The reporter

947
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: suggested that Mattow's covers may have given viewers a false

948
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: sense of hope that Trump was about to be taken down,

949
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: not unlike how say viewers of newsbacks, and they've been

950
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: led to believe the twenty twenty election was about to

951
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: be overturned. At this point in the conversation, that's when

952
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: Mattow brings up the Dan Rather thing, and here's what

953
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: she says. Do you remember what the Dan Rather scandal

954
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: was about. There was a document that was involved. He

955
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: was reporting on, like how did George W. Bush avoid

956
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: going to Vietnam? How was his National Guard service arrange?

957
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: Why did he get this coveted spot in this group

958
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't going to be fighting. The story of George W.

959
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: Bush getting a sweet gig in the National Guard so

960
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: he didn't have to go fight in Vietnam was true.

961
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: Somebody giving Dan Rather a forged document, so we had

962
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: a screwed up news story about it. Is fascinating. It's

963
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: an interesting thing about CBS News. But it doesn't mean

964
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: that the National Guard thing about George W. Bush was

965
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 1: not true. It just it neutralized it, like it made

966
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: that go away and the whole thing became a Dan

967
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: Rather scandal. That's what's going on with the dossier. So

968
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: she struggles to directly defend her reporting and how far

969
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: out she went, how much she relied on the dossier

970
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: which ended up being completely collapsing, and one of the

971
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: main sources admitst to lying and all of these things.

972
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: She can't really directly defend it. So she tries to

973
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: do this roundabout defense of saying, well, focusing on the

974
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: parts of this fet were wrong is just a distraction

975
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: from her parts that were correct. What I would say

976
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: is she's actually not wrong that the fact that Dan

977
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: Rather and CBS News ran with this fake document ended

978
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: up distracting from what might have been the real story

979
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: about George W. Bush took reporters off of the path

980
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: of digging into that more. But that's exactly part of

981
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: the problem and why it was so irresponsible, And it's

982
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: not a productive, yes, for you to go so far

983
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: out here that, yes, you lose all credibility about any

984
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: other parts of the story that may have been consequential,

985
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: that may have been true. When you go beyond where

986
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: the facts and the evidence lead and you never apologize

987
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: and make it right and have accountability, then of course

988
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: people aren't going to trust you about the rest of

989
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: the story. That's actually exactly the problem here. Oh yeah,

990
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: that's correct, which is that a you and Dan also

991
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: have agency, which is that your screw ups are part

992
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: of why that political circumstance, and you know that that

993
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: circumstance happened in the first place. Yes, she's been harmed

994
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: to her own cause we we are truth exactly and

995
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: we went ahead and pulled. I think people need to

996
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: remember how unhinged these people were. Let's take a listen,

997
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: and that may be is the most important thing for

998
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: our purposes as US citizens here right we're all trying

999
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: to figure out what's just happened to our country. You know,

1000
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: what's going on with this incredible national security scandal that

1001
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: looms over our new presidency. How are we going to

1002
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this thing. What's most important

1003
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: to all of us about this is that if this

1004
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: guy did have a key role in that scheme, while

1005
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: he is in Moscow, he is out of reach of

1006
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: US investigators. And who are the US investigators? Right in

1007
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: terms of the investigation into what happened here? Something really

1008
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: important happened today That is not heartening at all. We

1009
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: all know the basic history of this dossier right. Reportedly,

1010
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: it had circulated around Washington, It had circulated among some

1011
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: journalists late last year. I never saw it before it

1012
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: was published. I had heard rumors about some of the

1013
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: things in it, but I am not one of the

1014
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: people who saw it, and I don't know many people

1015
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: who say they did see it before, but BuzzFeed published it,

1016
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: but it was apparently out there. In early January, it

1017
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: was reported by CNN that the FBI briefed Donald Trump

1018
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: and briefed President Obama on a list of allegations against

1019
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his campaign concerning Russia. That initial report

1020
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: from CNN didn't exactly say what these allegations were, But

1021
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours, BuzzFeed News published the dossier, this

1022
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: whole thirty five page dossier, and it was a huge uproar.

1023
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: At the time, everybody, including BuzzFeed, admitted the dossier was

1024
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: all uncorroborated information. But you know what, it didn't end there,

1025
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: So there you go. Christal. I mean, basically, none of

1026
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: what she floated there to millions of people ended up

1027
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: being true at all. She never coped with that, she

1028
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: never told the truth to her audience. She effectively retired,

1029
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: and now she's doing some podcasts about World War Two, which,

1030
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, more power to you, I guess, getting paid

1031
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars a year to do so. But the

1032
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: dan Rather thing actually is far more revealing whenever you

1033
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: consider that it wasn't just one report like dan Rather,

1034
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: it was two straight years of this shit on TV

1035
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: every single night, and it was the sun and the

1036
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: moon of American politics. You know, everything revolved around it.

1037
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: Thanks to them, they wasted so much more time. Harderwise

1038
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: should get that thirty million dollar paycheck because that means

1039
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: she had the top ratings people tuned in night after night.

1040
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: I thought the reporting that was done gently raised a

1041
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: very good parallel of like, you know, you did a

1042
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: disservice to your viewers by straining them along to believe

1043
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: that the walls were closing in and they were gonna,

1044
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: you know, do the raid on the White House at

1045
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: the time that you know now is actually happening at

1046
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: mar A Lago, when in reality, you know, if you

1047
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: would if you had stuck to what we knew and

1048
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: what the facts were, Yeah, I think that people would

1049
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: have come away with this more accurate sense of Listen,

1050
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: there wasn't maybe this direct collusion and the pings between

1051
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: the servers and Trump wasn't a Russian asset since nineteen

1052
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: eighty seven. But were they uncomfortably willing to, like, you know,

1053
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: certainly solicit Russia's help if they had the ability to

1054
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: do so. Yeah, And that was a gross thing and

1055
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: people should have known about that and should have been

1056
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: reported out, there's no doubt about it. But because they

1057
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: went so far, then ultimately when you get them all

1058
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: a report and it's not nearly the spy novel level

1059
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: allegations that had been floated night after night, year after

1060
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: a year, of course people are going to say you

1061
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: let us astray because frankly, you really did. Yeah, I

1062
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: think you're right, Crystal. Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We

1063
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: have an amazing show for everybody today when we have Crystal.

1064
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: Indeed we do. We have some new details starting to

1065
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: understand a few more of the pieces of what led

1066
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: up to that raid down at mar Lago, what the

1067
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: sort of whether there's a grand scheme or not. There

1068
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Speaker 1: appears not to be a grand scheme from the federal government,

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00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: how they got their infpreentiate, all that stuff. We're starting

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00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 1: to get the reporting on it, so we will break

1071
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: all of that down for you. And also some additional

1072
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: subpoenas a cell phone seised of a member of Congress,

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Speaker 1: some Pennsylvania fake elector types who also have received subpoena,

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Speaker 1: So get into all of those details and more. We

1075
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: also have new numbers on inflation which are potentially good,

1076
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: but of course the White House had to take that

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00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: and like completely gaslight and overplay their hand and all

1078
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: of that stuff. So we'll take you inside of these

1079
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: still mixed signals in terms of where the economy stands.

1080
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: We had some elections this week and very interesting tea

1081
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: leaves there yet another indication that the Democratic enthusiasm is

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00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: definitely up. This is a very different ballgame and landscape

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00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: than what we were looking at before the Dobs decision.

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00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: So we have those details for you, some new indications

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00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: of exactly who the GOP is still with. Of course

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00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: they all been the ney to Trump immediately, every one

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00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: of the supposed challengers contenders he was going to go

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00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: up against him. Now they all fell in line instantly.

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Speaker 1: There's also some big developments out of Ukraine, and we

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00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: have a new guest on the show to break down

1091
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: just how potentially dangerous this situation with China and Taiwan

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00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: is for us and for the world, and how Nancy

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00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: Pelosi's visit really exacerbated all of that. Before we dive

1094
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: in to the details of what is going on with

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00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: that FBI raid of mar A Lago though live show,

1096
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: Live show in Atlanta, reminder, let's put this up there

1097
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: on the screen, Live show, September sixteenth. We are coming

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00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, as I mentioned, so those large ticket purchases

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00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: that are going through, I've begun, so there is going

1100
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: to be very limited number of tickets that are left

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00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: for the general public. Highly advise you to go in

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00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: and buy those tickets so we can officially have our

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00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: sellout date one month ahead of the schedule, which right,

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00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,959
Speaker 1: we're happy next week it's going to be exactly one month,

1105
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: exactly one month. So link is down in the description.

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00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: We would love to see you guys there. We have

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00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: a great show. Yeah, it's going to be really fun. Okay,

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00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: So a pretty bombshell piece of reporting here, very significant

1109
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: in terms of understanding this raid and what led up

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Speaker 1: to it. A lot of details that I want to

1111
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: get into here. Let's go ahead and through this Newsweek

1112
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: tear sheet up on the screen, so they have the

1113
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: scoop exclusive and informer told the FBI what docs Trump

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00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: was hiding and where They say that the raid on

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00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: mar A Lago was based largely on information from an

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00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: FBI confidential human source who was able to identify what

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00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: classified documents former President Trump was still hiding, and even

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Speaker 1: the location of those documents. Two senior government officials told Newsweek,

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Speaker 1: as we speculated and many others had speculated at the time,

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Speaker 1: it was deliberately timed, according to this report, to occur

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Speaker 1: when the former president was away. And this is the

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Speaker 1: part that I mean, I just almost can't believe it,

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Speaker 1: except you should never underestimate the level of like bureaucratic

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00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: and competence in myopia and like bubble dwelling. They thought

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Speaker 1: this wasn't going to be a big deal. They thought

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Speaker 1: if they did it when Trump was away, then it'd

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00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: be like we ask just a low key rate of

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Speaker 1: the president's residents. I'm sure this won't cause a massive

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00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: political media explosion. So what they say is FBI decision

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00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: makers in Washington and Miami thought that denying the former

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00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: president a photo opportunity or a platform from which to

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00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: grand stand or to attempt to apport the raid would

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00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: lower the profile of the event. One of the sources

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00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: that they spoke to says they were seeking to avoid

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00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: any media circus. So even though everything made sense bureaucratically

1136
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: and the FBI feared that the documents might be destroyed,

1137
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: they also created the very firestorm they sought to avoid

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00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: in ignoring the fallout. I mean, I don't know how

1139
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Speaker 1: many people with level three IQs thought that this would

1140
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: not be a big deal, no matter how you went

1141
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Speaker 1: about it. The affidavit to obtain the search warrant the

1142
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: Intelligent Sources contained abundant and persuasive detail that Trump continued

1143
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: to possess relevant records and violation of federal law, and

1144
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: that investigators had sufficient information to prove that those records

1145
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: were located at mar Lago, including the detail that they

1146
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: were contained in a specific safe in a specific room.

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00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: So this goes back to they had depended heavily on

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Speaker 1: a confidential informant, must be someone who is fairly close

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: to Trump. A lot of speculation in Trump World right

1150
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: now about who that could be, But down to the

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00:59:55,160 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: specific room, specific safe where they expected these documents to

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01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: be held in violation. You know, it looks like Trump said, oh,

1153
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: we gave you everything, and didn't really give them everything.

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Speaker 1: Was lying to the feds. Theer's now reported that he

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01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: and his lawyers had met previously with the FBI about

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Speaker 1: these documents, and they had apparently good reason to believe

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01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: that he was still retaining and concealing additional documents that

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Speaker 1: should be part of the presidential record. Few more pieces

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Speaker 1: here In terms of who authorized the raid, they say

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01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: that FBI Director Christopher Ray ultimately gave his go ahead

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Speaker 1: to conduct the raid. They say it's really a case

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: of the bureau misreading the impact. They also suggest in

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Speaker 1: this piece that it may not have gone all the

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Speaker 1: way to Merrit Garland. Now that could be some sort

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01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: of ass covering or Merret Garland trying to keep him

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Speaker 1: separate from it. But you know what I really take

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01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: from all of this is there were some there was

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Speaker 1: some theorizing, and I thought, with good basis and good rationale,

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Speaker 1: that the documents were kind of a pretext to go

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Speaker 1: in and get what they were really interested in was

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Speaker 1: like the January sixth stuff That does not appear to

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Speaker 1: be the case. And I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: because this happened because you know Trump, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get to Trump pleating the fifth. On this other case,

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Speaker 1: you have the tax returns thing happen. You have this

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: congrementsman whose cell phone was seized all in the same week.

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Speaker 1: There was once again this sense of like there's a

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Speaker 1: grand scheme. Merrick Garland has this whole thing planned out.

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Speaker 1: This is step one of this massive grand plan to

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Speaker 1: ultimately indict and take down Trump, and that is not

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Speaker 1: the case. I mean, I believe it's now at current

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Speaker 1: indicate that. Yeah, I'm I'm fairly convinced. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: should usually bet on the side of the people in Washington.

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Speaker 1: Aren't some five D chess players, you know, with the

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: thinking ten moves ahead. They were sort of focused on

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Speaker 1: this one narrow issue where they feel felt very confident

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Speaker 1: that there was you know, wrongdoing. They thought, this is

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01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: the procedure we normally follow, so we're going to normally

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Speaker 1: follow this procedure. We'll give him the grace of being

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Speaker 1: out of town so we can do it while he's

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01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: away and hopefully avoid a media circus. As silly as

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Speaker 1: it is for them to have thought that that would

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Speaker 1: be the case, it looks to me like this truly

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01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: was narrowly focused on these records, and to the extent,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are other investigations going on, which we'll

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Speaker 1: get into. But I do actually think that they're separate

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Speaker 1: and this is not part of some grand federal government

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Speaker 1: plan to take down the trunt. Whenever you need to

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Speaker 1: bet on master plans by the FBI or bureaucratic incompetence.

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Speaker 1: I know which one I'm going to betting on. That

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01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: was my secret suspicion. But now we actually have a

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Speaker 1: decent amount of reporting in order to indicate that. You

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Speaker 1: also see in terms of the discussions from the Trump

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Speaker 1: lawyers themselves, they say that they have held discussions with

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Speaker 1: the Justice Department since the spring over these materials at

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Speaker 1: mar Lago, that they had actually searched through three to

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Speaker 1: two to three dozen boxes in the basement storage area

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Speaker 1: hunting for the documents. And also they said that currently

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Speaker 1: the DOJ had said, well, part of the problem is

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Speaker 1: not securing these properly. So they actually went ahead and

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Speaker 1: added again, accordingon Trump's lawyer, they added a lock there,

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Speaker 1: which was then breached by the FBI whenever they took it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if the reporting here is true and there's

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Speaker 1: no current, you know, there's not a lot of evidence

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Speaker 1: in order to dispute it. Nobody's coming out and saying

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Speaker 1: that this is some sort of master plan would certainly

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Speaker 1: indicate exactly as you said. I would also refer people

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Speaker 1: back to our interview with Bradley Moss, one of the

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Speaker 1: things he highlighted is they have to prove a selective

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Speaker 1: and willful want in order to violate the Presidential Records

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Speaker 1: Act for a prosecutorial case to be made and to

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Speaker 1: be made not only to indict before the grand jury,

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01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: but then you have to prove basically beyond a reasonable

1224
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Speaker 1: doubt in court that they willfully tried to circumvent this.

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Speaker 1: This also could be a matter of incompetence both on

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Speaker 1: the Trump team side and it could be a matter

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Speaker 1: of incompetence on the FBI side. So they have ignited

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Speaker 1: a massive political firestorm over what appears to be a

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Speaker 1: fight over presidential records. And we'll just be honest, like,

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Speaker 1: in terms of the political fallout, I don't think that

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Speaker 1: was worth it, you know whatsoever. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: also have no idea was in these documents, which ironically

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Speaker 1: we're almost certain to be learned, Like we're going to

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01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: learn the contours of this now. It's such a high

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Speaker 1: profile case, which would probably diminish the classification on it

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Speaker 1: in itself. I'm not saying that the rage isn't justified

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Speaker 1: on its own. Yeah, obviously, of course you have to

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Speaker 1: consider it in the political ramification. Yeah, I mean I

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01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: think the political piece, to me is debatable whether it's

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Speaker 1: quote worthored or not. There is some reporting that the

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Speaker 1: DJ is like like at the highest levels is like,

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Speaker 1: what were you thinking? And I do think the fact

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Speaker 1: that it was done apparently without really understanding how extraordinary

1244
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: this would be seen and what a nuclear bomb it

1245
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: would set off in terms of like the bat's focus

1246
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: on it, and the way Republicans would seize on it

1247
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: and all of those things. Look if you or I

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Speaker 1: took classified documents and then met with the FBI, and

1249
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: the FBI was like, you need to give those back,

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01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: and we're like totally, and we give you one of them,

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Speaker 1: and then continued to hide and conceal and lie about

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Speaker 1: the other ones. They would be busting down our door,

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01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: and they would be doing it a lot sooner, and

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01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: they would not give us the courtesy of like, let's

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01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: do it when you're away and try to downplay it. So,

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Speaker 1: based on what we know, and also just given what

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01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: we know about the sloppiness and like cavalier nature of

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Speaker 1: Trump and his relationship to the law, I have no

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01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: doubt that he is in violation of the law here.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very unlikely that he totally was in

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Speaker 1: the clear and followed the correct procedures and wasn't still

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Speaker 1: retaining any documents and wouldn't blatantly lie to the FBI.

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Speaker 1: There's also an irony here because because of the Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton email scandal, Trump himself signed into law making the

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Speaker 1: Presidential Records Act and making this a much more stringent

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Speaker 1: effect offense. He signed a law in twenty eighteen that

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Speaker 1: made it a felony to remove and retain classified documents.

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Speaker 1: So there's a great irony here too that he's now,

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Speaker 1: you know, in violation. It appears of the very law

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Speaker 1: that he's strengthened in this partisan like we're going to

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01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: go after Hillary Clinton thing. The politics of it and

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Speaker 1: whether it was quote unquote worth it, I think it

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: very much remains to be seen how this all plays out.

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Speaker 1: You know. I do think that there's some who are

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Speaker 1: very convinced this is going to innore to the Republican's benefit,

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: because you know, people are going to see it as

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Speaker 1: an overreach. I am not as con I am not

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Speaker 1: as convinced of that case, because I think if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the Republican base, yes, this solidifies his control

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Speaker 1: on the GOP. If you're talking about Normans who are

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Speaker 1: sick of like his bullshit and like it always being

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Speaker 1: some crisis and whatever. I don't know that it has

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Speaker 1: the same impact. It's possible, It's just hard to say

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Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I mean, I'm focusing a lot

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Speaker 1: about this on my monologue on Space. I think you'd

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Speaker 1: probably rewrite. But as we always know, there's going to

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Speaker 1: be massive overreach, and this will well not overreached just

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Speaker 1: by the FBI, I'm saying, also by the opponents MSNBC

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Speaker 1: trying to cast this as another thing and that actually

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Speaker 1: generally moves to Trump's benefit. So I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Yea on his face through reporting does indicate that that's

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Speaker 1: where they are. You also said this, let's put this

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: up there on the screen Axios, saying that Trump worlds

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01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: speculating that they do have a flipped aid after the

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01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: FBI search, likely as a result of the warrant, and

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Speaker 1: that is another thing which many people have been highlighting,

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Speaker 1: not just me Trump. I mean, look, this is in dispute.

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Speaker 1: Eric Trump gave an interview to Fox News where he

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Speaker 1: claims that the warrant was never given to them by

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Speaker 1: the FBI. That would be against standard procedure, We don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's true. Again, the FBI is not actually

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Speaker 1: said whether that's true or not. Standard procedure would say

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01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: that Trump and his lawyers did receive a copy of

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Speaker 1: that search warrant, and if that's true, they should release it.

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Speaker 1: They can make a public Yeah, exactly, release it, and

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Speaker 1: they would be able to show us very specifically what

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Speaker 1: the FBI was looking for, as you said and indicated

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Speaker 1: in a newsweek these specific areas. It would actually probably

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01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: it's possible that they're hiding it, because it would only

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Speaker 1: confirm that they do have a mole inside of their

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01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: organization or somebody very close to the president. But as

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Speaker 1: we have said, Trump could would also just release this

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01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow as if he did actually receive the search warrant,

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Speaker 1: and we would learn a hell of a lot more

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Speaker 1: about what actually happened. There's one other thing I want

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01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: to say about the you know, the politics of this

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01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: and whether not it was justified, whether it was a

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Speaker 1: good idea, whether it was just all of those things.

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Speaker 1: It is obviously political. It has political implications, the decision

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Speaker 1: to serve search warrant and raid mar A Lago, no

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01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: doubt about it. But it also is a political decision

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01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: to look at facts that clearly say there is a

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01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: clear violation of the law, and if it was an

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Speaker 1: ordinary citizen, we would treat it this way. But because

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Speaker 1: it's the present and because it's fraught, we're not going

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Speaker 1: to That is a less sort of media explosive political decision,

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Speaker 1: But that's also a political decision. So there's sort of

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Speaker 1: no avoiding making some sort of political decision here if

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Speaker 1: in fact they were very persuaded, which they appear to

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Speaker 1: have been, that he was in very clear and sort

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Speaker 1: of like intentional violation of this law. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's important to keep them of course. I mean one

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Speaker 1: of the things that always pissed me off about the

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Speaker 1: Hillary cases, I was like, look, any average citizen, you're

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01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: going to jail for what Hillary did that it was obvious,

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Speaker 1: Like it was just so clear. I'm like, if you

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Speaker 1: did this and you're a normal person. We talked previously

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Speaker 1: on our show about the Navy guy who took a

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Speaker 1: picture of the nuclear submarine. He didn't mean anything by it,

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Speaker 1: and he ended up in jail and or there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: reality winner, look at what happened to her. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she literally just photocopied some documents and sent it over

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01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 1: to the interest. She was in jail for like years.

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Speaker 1: So look, I'm generally in favor of equal application of

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Speaker 1: the law. I'm only speaking in terms of how this

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: is being politically coded and how the FBI ultimately came

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Speaker 1: to this decision. If it is true, they didn't think

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Speaker 1: it was going to have political ramifications, and then there's

1349
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of idiots, And I think that that is

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01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: really that I think you could always bet off. I

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: talked to someone who's very in the know with this,

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01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: who actually had some pieces of this report as well,

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01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: but could only get a single source, and what he

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: was saying to me is, you really can't understand how

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,799
Speaker 1: much of a bubble these people operating like they literally

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01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: work inside of a skiff, right, Like they're literally in

1357
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: a bubble, and so they're just looking at here's the

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: process that we follow and the National Archives requests us

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01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: to look into this, and we did it, and we

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: found this evidence, and we took it to a grand

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Speaker 1: jury and they said, yes, we believe it, and we

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Speaker 1: took it to like just following the steps chunk chunk

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Speaker 1: chunk and really not thinking about the political landscape. Now,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean ultimately they made the wrong decision, because again,

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Speaker 1: you know, I do believe in equal application. I was

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Speaker 1: very critical of Hillary on the email thing, so it's

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:40,839
Speaker 1: not like being inconsistent here. And you know, certainly people

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Speaker 1: who were very concerned about the Hillary thing at the time,

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Speaker 1: there are many of them who are now like Records

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Speaker 1: who cares no big deal. But I think at this point,

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Speaker 1: what we can what it looks pretty clear, is that

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Speaker 1: this is not step one of some grand plan to

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Speaker 1: take down Trump. That doesn't mean Trump's not going to

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Speaker 1: be indicted, It doesn't mean that there won't be charges

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Speaker 1: out of Georgia or out of the DC grand jury

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Speaker 1: with regards to January six. That is all still very

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: much on the table. And the next thing we're going

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01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: to talk about is some of the steps that they've

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Speaker 1: taken forward on that. But I am convinced at this

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Speaker 1: point that this was kind of a one off focus

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Speaker 1: just on this specific issue that wasn't connected to some

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Speaker 1: broader plan. Yeah, I mean, look, that's where all things

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Speaker 1: currently lead. All right, let's go and talk about inflation,

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01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: obviously always enormously politically consequential. We got some fascinating new

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Speaker 1: numbers yesterday on the month of July. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and put that up there on the screen. Inflation actually

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Speaker 1: dropped eight point five percent in July, down from nine

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Speaker 1: point one in June. The biggest decline was in gas

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Speaker 1: prices and in airfare, but grocery prices, rent, and electricity

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Speaker 1: are continuing to rise. And I think that this underscores

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Speaker 1: a lot of what is so difficult about talking about

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Speaker 1: inflation generally, which is that that top line or be

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Speaker 1: at eight point five, be at nine point one, It

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: is so driven by some few specific categories. So we

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01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: did see a seven percent reduction in July on gas

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Speaker 1: prices similar to production in airfare, similarly due to jet fuel.

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Speaker 1: But the problem there is that this is a single

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Speaker 1: commodity and it actually obscures the level of inflation people

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Speaker 1: are still seeing on grocery prices, rising rent, rising electricity.

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Speaker 1: It by no means means that people are out of

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01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: the woods and arguing over the top line figure can

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01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: just be really foolish. That being said, you know the

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Speaker 1: CPI number, Let's go ahead and put this up there.

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: You can see here that the overall one month percent

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: increase for all consumers seasonally adjusted. It's the first time

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Speaker 1: that we've had zero in over a year. Not a

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01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: terrible thing. The problem though, is, as you alluded to,

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Speaker 1: politically saying, yeah, look, it is a good thing. Today

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Speaker 1: we officially got the news that the national average of

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Speaker 1: gasoline has dropped low four dollars. It's three ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. I also think three ninety nine

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Speaker 1: is still way too high. I also think that the

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Speaker 1: fact that the grocery prices are up eighteen percent, twenty percent,

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Speaker 1: electricity continues to rise, natural gases a commodity, is going

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Speaker 1: to explode come wintertime. We still have all kinds of

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Speaker 1: massive warning signs in the economy. Well, the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: trying to embrace this as some sort of full fledged

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Speaker 1: victory and saying inflation itself is over, just like they've

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Speaker 1: said previously, like the best job market in World War two.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to how they reacted yesterday. What about

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Speaker 1: the news that came out today relative to the economy, Actually,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say a number zero. Today we

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Speaker 1: receive news that our economy had zero percent inflation in

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Speaker 1: the month of July. Zero percent. So yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: technically correct at the urban consumer CPI, but doing victory

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Speaker 1: laps like this on top line figures which do not

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Speaker 1: comport with the actual reality on the ground, is just

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01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: foolish because let's say it does go up next month,

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Speaker 1: or even if it shrinks by zero point five, but

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Speaker 1: electricity goes up by I don't even know how high,

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01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: or you still can't Okay, airfare may be down, but

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01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: you still can't catch a flight. I mean, I was

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01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: telling you about my experience I reached. I flew to

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Speaker 1: Portland over the weekends, Oregon, and more than half, more

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01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 1: than half of the departure board at Reagan was either

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: delayed or canceled. And I was, to be fair, there

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01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: were weather related problems. But I was speaking with some

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Speaker 1: of the crew and some of the air crew. What

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01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: they were telling me is the real issue is of

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01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: course weather is ever present. But when you have all

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01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: this chaotic mess and then you add weather, that's how

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01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: you have mass cancelations that happen all across the board.

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,799
Speaker 1: Society is still not functioning at a very very basic level.

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: So nothing to celebrate, in my opinion, and everybody just exaggerates,

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01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, one way or the other. I think the

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01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: bottom line is, you know, things are still not good.

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01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: Three nine to nine. Gas is still not great. Gas

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01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: is still five dollars a gallon in California, millions and

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01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: millions of Americans still paying well over four bucks. And

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01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: also there's no sign that this is nothing but a

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01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: temporary decrease post Memorial Day demand. Once people have to

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01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 1: start buying fuel oil, you know, middle distillates like diesel

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01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: and more natural gas in order to heat houses as

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01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: things get colder, price is probably just going to go

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01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: right back back. Well, we'll see what's going to happen.

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: I think politically, the messaging is, you know, it's very

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01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: simple to see what you want to say, like we're

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01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: encouraged by this news, but we're not satisfied. We know

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01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: that people are struggling. We want to do a lot more.

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01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: Here's a plan. Right. It's the same problem that Obama

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Speaker 1: got himself into, like overly celebratory of a very anemic

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01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: recovery that people just really weren't feeling. And as we've

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Speaker 1: said in the past, if he had like an actually

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01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: good candidate that he was up against rather than like

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01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: the epitome of plutocracy, Mitt Romney, he was very vulnerable

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Speaker 1: to being defeated, you know, specifically because of that, people

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: don't expect you to fix everything immediately, but they do

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01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: expect you to sort of understand the problem empathize with it.

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Speaker 1: Especially Joe Biden, one of the qualities people always loved

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Speaker 1: the most about him was his empathy for blue collar,

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Speaker 1: working class people. My big, the big question for me,

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Speaker 1: and I think what'll be most significant for how things

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Speaker 1: play out moving forward is how the FED interprets this es.

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Speaker 1: So you have a few contradictory things. You had a

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Speaker 1: jobs report which came in higher than expected, five hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty eight thousand jobs added. That number came out

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Speaker 1: last week on employment rate falls to three point five percent,

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01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: And you had weirdos like Jason Furman, who was an

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Speaker 1: Obama economist, being like this is uncomfortably hot, as if

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01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: it's a bad thing when we add jobs and the

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01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: unemployment rate goes down. But those are the sort of

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01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: numbers that the FED thinking about this as they do

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01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: in this sort of like sociopathic way of we've got

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01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: to make people pay, and we've got to slow down

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01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: the economy, and we need to hike up the unemployment rate,

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Speaker 1: Like Larry Summers said we need to have ten percent

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Speaker 1: unemployment for a year. May look at that and say

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Speaker 1: we got to continue the course, the DOSA, the tough medicine,

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01:16:55,920 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: hiking rates at this extraordinarily fast rate to gets under

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01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: control because it's not working yet. You aren't suffering enough yet.

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 1: So it's not working yet. Not to say you're not suffering,

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01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: but you're not suffering according to them enough. Now you

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01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: have this other actually two counter indicators came in. You

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01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: also had a projection of what consumers think inflation is

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01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: going to be that came in under expectations. So that

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01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: was another thing arguing against the Fed continuing to hike

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01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: rates at the pace that they've been doing. And then

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01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: now you have this inflation rapport which also came in,

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01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, lower than expected and with the zero percent

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Speaker 1: increase for the past month. So my plea to the

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01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: Fed is, guys, slow down. You know, it looks like

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01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: inflation is headed in the right direction. Of course, it

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01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: continues to be a mixed bag, but don't send us

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01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: to into a recession and make people pay even more. So.

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01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,839
Speaker 1: Not only do you have you know, high grocery bills

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01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: and high gas pump bills, but you also then lose

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01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: your job. There's no need to do that. Slow your

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01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: role and let's see where it's ultimately go, because at

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01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: least these are some positive indications that things are had

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Speaker 1: in the right direction, and they could make things so

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Speaker 1: much worse if they go too far, too fast,