Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Therapy Gecko podcast. I am alive,
Speaker 1: and I am here. And if you are conscious enough
Speaker 1: to uh be listening to this right now, that means
Speaker 1: you're alive, unless if you I wonder if anyone's ever
Speaker 1: like been listening to the podcast and then it auto
Speaker 1: plays a new episode, but they died while they were
Speaker 1: listening to it, And and this is this is just
Speaker 1: being my voice is being broadcasted into an empty room
Speaker 1: with a dead person in it who died. That's a
Speaker 1: dark thought, but it's not. I'm I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't feel connected to the darkness in it in
Speaker 1: this moment. I'm just exploring it as an idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm on a lot of stimulants. I took some vibance,
Speaker 1: which is great. I think I needed it. Do not recommend,
Speaker 1: don't don't. Don't get it from the street, don't get
Speaker 1: it from the silk road. But if there's like a
Speaker 1: a dude who with a who went to school to
Speaker 1: do stuff, and he tells you that you can have it,
Speaker 1: then it's great. And I also have a little bit
Speaker 1: of celsius. Celsius is over the counter. You do not
Speaker 1: need a doctor to obscribe you Celsius, although it should
Speaker 1: be Celsius. Celsius should absolutely be. I love Celsius, I
Speaker 1: endorse it, Celsius. If you're listening, I will gladly chill you.
Speaker 1: I'll do it for free. Celsius should be a Schedule
Speaker 1: two drug. What is marijuana? Marijuana is like Schedule one? Right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look this up. Hold on, I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: this up. This is going in the intro of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Schedule one drugs. What are the Schedule one drugs? Okay, heroin, marijuana?
Speaker 1: Why are heroin and marijuana on the same fucking thing.
Speaker 1: What are the schedule two drugs? Okay? Schedule one drugs
Speaker 1: are heroin, marijuana, cocaine, LSD, ecstasy, psilocybin. That's weird that
Speaker 1: those are all in the same schedule. What's the Schedule
Speaker 1: two drug What does the schedules even mean? Okay, Schedule
Speaker 1: two is meth oxycotton, fentanyl. What's going on? Do I
Speaker 1: dare even figure out what's going on on Schedule three?
Speaker 1: Schedule three? Okay, these are drugs with moderate to low
Speaker 1: potential for abuse and addiction. Wait a minute, okay, so
Speaker 1: if so, Schedule one is the most potential for addiction,
Speaker 1: and then schedule two and then it goes down as
Speaker 1: the number goes up. Wait, so what the fuck it?
Speaker 1: Fentanyl is a Schedule two drug and marijuana is schedule one.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Although I guess I'm such an idiot. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting over here being like, what, marijuana is addictive and
Speaker 1: I fucking smoke it every day? But yeah, celsius should
Speaker 1: be at least scheduled. I'm gonna celsius should be at
Speaker 1: least to schedule to substance. But it's great caffeine, it's nice,
Speaker 1: it gets you going. I have a friend he's a doctor,
Speaker 1: and I ask I. I text him once a week
Speaker 1: the same question. I have a friend who's a doctor,
Speaker 1: and once a week I text him the same question.
Speaker 1: Once a week, I text my friend who's a doctor.
Speaker 1: Is celsius bad for you? Is it bad for me
Speaker 1: to drink one every day? And once a week? He says,
Speaker 1: He says the same thing. He says, you asked me
Speaker 1: this last week, and the answer is it's probably fine,
Speaker 1: just don't overdo it. But that's the question, is doing
Speaker 1: it every day overdoing it? Don't get any medical don't
Speaker 1: get any advice of any kind from this podcast. This
Speaker 1: podcast is just this is a I am. I am
Speaker 1: a man navigating the universe through talking to people and
Speaker 1: drinking a lot of caffeine. And I am my own
Speaker 1: little guinea pig boy just fucking slamming Celsius and white
Speaker 1: Cheddar popcorn and frantically texting anyone who I think might
Speaker 1: be an authority as to whether or not that will
Speaker 1: kill me, while knowing deep in my gut that of
Speaker 1: course it will. But I actually feel good right now.
Speaker 1: I feel ready to talk to some people on the phone,
Speaker 1: So let's do that. Hello, Hi, what is your name?
Speaker 1: What is your name?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go buy Olivia?
Speaker 1: Olivia? What up, Olivia? How you doing today?
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need your advice. I have like
Speaker 2: a crazy.
Speaker 3: Story for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll try. I'm I've been saying I feel like
Speaker 1: I've been saying this the whole time. I've been doing this.
Speaker 1: But I have very I have a narrow range of
Speaker 1: things I actually feel as though unqualified to advise over.
Speaker 1: But I'll whatever this is, I can at least commit
Speaker 1: to pondering it with you. It tell me what it is?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like it's like not like I need an
Speaker 2: expert opinion, it's definitely a pondering one because it's just
Speaker 2: so odd. Okay, I think Okay, I went to my
Speaker 2: friend's wedding this weekend, and I can explain the context
Speaker 2: of why I think it's him. I went to my
Speaker 2: friend's wedding this weekend. I left my wallet there. She
Speaker 2: took it home for me. I think her new husband
Speaker 2: took my credit my debit card information and tried to
Speaker 2: add it to his Apple wallet.
Speaker 1: What makes you think that?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Like, I'll tell you first that like everyone swore up
Speaker 2: and down, like she made sure my debit card got
Speaker 2: home safe. I thought a notification like basically like the
Speaker 2: next morning that someone added my debit card to their
Speaker 2: Apple wallet. I checked her location. She was taking her
Speaker 2: dogs for the daily walk, and it was like his
Speaker 2: first time being home alone with the card. And then
Speaker 2: like the context just is that like historically he's been
Speaker 2: like really weird about money. He apparently has two hundred
Speaker 2: K and credit card debt. Like I don't even know
Speaker 2: how you amass that number. There's like a gambling thing
Speaker 2: going on. There's like a prison history, and like even
Speaker 2: with her like like one time she had to stay
Speaker 2: home from work for a week to take care of
Speaker 2: his dog because his dog needed surgery, and so she
Speaker 2: wasn't able to make money that week, and so she
Speaker 2: was like, hey, could you know we usually split the
Speaker 2: chur like the bills fifty and this week, like I'm
Speaker 2: staying home to take care of your dog, could we
Speaker 2: split it like seventy five twenty five? And he was
Speaker 2: like absolutely not, Like that's not fair. I just feel
Speaker 2: like I don't know, the whole thing is just it's
Speaker 2: just been a lot. They got together after like nine
Speaker 2: months of dating, and I've just always gotten a weird vibe.
Speaker 2: And then finally like he's alone with my debit card
Speaker 2: and it gets added to like someone's Apple wallet, you know.
Speaker 1: Whoa Okay, so is so now are you kind of
Speaker 1: like I kind of want to be like, yo, hey
Speaker 1: did your boyfriend do this? But that opens up a
Speaker 1: can of worms of like how could you possibly accuse
Speaker 1: my boyfriend of doing this?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: And it's like her literal husband now like they just
Speaker 2: got married, okay, like this is the groom?
Speaker 1: Is your Okay? So all this shit you were telling
Speaker 1: me about right, like your friend how ignorant? Is she
Speaker 1: in the sense of like if you said this to her,
Speaker 1: would she be like, how dare you accuse my husband?
Speaker 1: Or which? Or on a scale of how dare you
Speaker 1: accuse my husband to Yeah, that kind of sounds like
Speaker 1: some shit he would do. Where where's she at?
Speaker 2: I feel like she's a five. That's a great question.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're out of five?
Speaker 1: Where are you really out of five?
Speaker 2: Because I even told her like leading up to this, like, hey,
Speaker 2: like I think you should consider getting a prenup, like
Speaker 2: he like they moved.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they didn't get up. She didn't get a prenup.
Speaker 2: No, she didn't get a prenup. And let me tell
Speaker 2: you something like she inherited some like her house from
Speaker 2: her grandmother, Like she lives in her grandmother's house. He
Speaker 2: moved in with her a month after they started dating.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: By we're getting into territory that I don't know about.
Speaker 1: But my understanding of a pre my understanding of how
Speaker 1: marriage works is that, like I actually I'm curious about
Speaker 1: this because I don't I don't I understand or how
Speaker 1: marriage works is that like whatever assets you have before
Speaker 1: you get married, you keep whether or not you have
Speaker 1: a preno. But I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 2: I think that's like that is what the prenup like creates.
Speaker 2: Like I thought, like once you're married, everything's weard. But
Speaker 2: if you get a prenup, it states like no, like
Speaker 2: anything that I made before we got married is mine?
Speaker 1: Can you inherit? I think that's the point of like,
Speaker 1: like if they get divorced, do you can you can
Speaker 1: inherit debts not not not not not inherent like you
Speaker 1: can so like if so like like if she gets divorced,
Speaker 1: does is he like all right in the divorce you
Speaker 1: can have one hundred thousand dollars of my debt?
Speaker 2: I like don't know because I'm like twenty five, but
Speaker 2: like so is she?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: But like my understanding too is like like a prenup
Speaker 2: can protect you from like medical debt or something like
Speaker 2: like and I was I said to her, like, girl,
Speaker 2: what if you got cancer all of a sudden and
Speaker 2: then you passed away and then like he inherited, we
Speaker 2: need to divorce a in the comments please, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to read the comments, I promise, But like I
Speaker 2: don't know, and so I did I did what I
Speaker 2: did do was I did call her and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: like my bank contacted me and said someone added my
Speaker 2: debit card to their Apple wallet, and you know, like
Speaker 2: I'm I and they asked me to explain why because
Speaker 2: they want to contact law enforcement about this, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, did you see anything weird around my card?
Speaker 2: She was like no, it was exactly where you had
Speaker 2: left it, blah blah blah, like we had, you know,
Speaker 2: like gotten ready in the same place. And so I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, like they said, it happened at seven
Speaker 2: to fifty in the morning, and she was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: your card was alone with I'll just say Bob like
Speaker 2: your no, like it was it was just Bob at
Speaker 2: the house with your debit card. And she slowed down
Speaker 2: for a second, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Wait this Okay, So there's like mounting like like evidence
Speaker 1: she was out on the walk with the dog at
Speaker 1: the time that the card was suspiciously added to Apple
Speaker 1: pey correct, and she's a five on the scale of
Speaker 1: how dare you too? Sounds like some shit he would do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you bring up did you say you did you
Speaker 1: did you say to this did you say to your
Speaker 1: friend like yo, he probably did this.
Speaker 2: No, So like I'm like, like the route that I
Speaker 2: kind of take with stuff like this is like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I would never want like any one of my
Speaker 2: friends to feel like they couldn't come to me about something,
Speaker 2: God forbid they were in like an unsafe scenario, and
Speaker 2: like none of my money ended up getting taken because
Speaker 2: I blocked the transaction. So I just played stupid and
Speaker 2: I said to her like, oh, then it must someone
Speaker 2: must have written down my credit card information at a
Speaker 2: restaurant and like just added it. At that same time,
Speaker 2: like I gave her this, I was like, I'll just
Speaker 2: tell my bank that someone wrote down my debit card
Speaker 2: information and added it to their Apple. While at that time,
Speaker 2: like I'll just make up some story. I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I know he wouldn't do it, so I'll just say
Speaker 2: this even though I think you would.
Speaker 1: Do it, Yeah, well you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know it that well.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well here's the thing is, well, I guess
Speaker 1: the question is okay, well, okay, so you asked me
Speaker 1: if I had advice, and I guess the thing is like, well, well,
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do? Right, because like, well
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like, what's the maybe, like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to like, what's like the problem here in the
Speaker 1: sense of, like, all right, look you yeah you canceled
Speaker 1: the card, right, yeah, so you're getting into you're getting
Speaker 1: a new card shift, yes, okay, so that so you're
Speaker 1: taking care of on that front. So that's not the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem is the I'm trying to like, Okay, the
Speaker 1: root problem is that your friend is dating this guy
Speaker 1: who uh is is clear you know, does shit like this?
Speaker 2: And you're concerned for your friend, yes, and even more so,
Speaker 2: like she's now married to him, and we're like in
Speaker 2: the annulment period and I'm like he just did the
Speaker 2: crazy like and like so like I feel like I
Speaker 2: have this like like do I might have a very
Speaker 2: critical piece of information that she might want to know?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But I also feel like I don't know, like I
Speaker 2: don't have evidence of it though, and I wouldn't want to, like,
Speaker 2: while she's just married this man who could be totally
Speaker 2: fine and maybe a changed guy since is past and everything,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: How well do you like, Okay, this friend? How long
Speaker 1: are you guys been friends for?
Speaker 2: We've been friends for like three years, but we talk
Speaker 2: on the phone very regularly, and I'd say, we're like
Speaker 2: quite close, and.
Speaker 1: She what's her deal with? What's the deal with her
Speaker 1: in the sky? That they started they dated for like
Speaker 1: nine months, so then got married.
Speaker 2: They dated for nine months, got engaged, and then a
Speaker 2: year later they got married. But like he gave her
Speaker 2: a promise ring like two months in they got a
Speaker 2: dog together, like a month into dating.
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing, look the end. She also, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I mean, yeah, go ahead, you go ahead.
Speaker 2: A month before she started dating, she had like years prior,
Speaker 2: like hooked up with him once. And she said to me,
Speaker 2: right before she started dating him, like she knew she
Speaker 2: was going to see in that summer, she was like,
Speaker 2: you have to promise me you won't let me date him,
Speaker 2: Like he's bad news. You have to promise me, she
Speaker 2: told you.
Speaker 1: Wait, so she herself said, he's bad news. You have
Speaker 1: to promise me that you won't let me date him.
Speaker 2: Yes and so, And part of that apparently was because
Speaker 2: she thought he ghosted her or something. And so like
Speaker 2: a month later I get a call. I two months later,
Speaker 2: I talk to her on the phone because we're not
Speaker 2: like constantly texting. We're more like phone people. And she's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, he moved in with me and we got
Speaker 2: a dog together. And so I straight up said, like,
Speaker 2: is this not the guy who like you told me
Speaker 2: to not let you date? Like he is this like
Speaker 2: old prison cell number tattooed on him, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And like I also fully believe people can change,
Speaker 2: but then like I don't know, also just like the
Speaker 2: way he like treats her talks to sometimes, like I
Speaker 2: have to take a little bit of issue with.
Speaker 1: Well, this is like I mean, this is kind of
Speaker 1: like when you like this issue, like when you boil
Speaker 1: it down right, this is kind of a classic issue,
Speaker 1: Like it's this is like this is a very It's
Speaker 1: a classic case of like my friend is dating somebody
Speaker 1: who I know is like shitty for them, and yet
Speaker 1: we're both adults and there's nothing I can really do
Speaker 1: except be like yo, uh, well it's it's a tricky
Speaker 1: subject in general, right because like you know, like we've
Speaker 1: all we've all been we've all been in a situation
Speaker 1: where like we have a friend, Like we have a
Speaker 1: friend who's like dating somebody and we're like don't or
Speaker 1: like they they'll say something to them and be like,
Speaker 1: you don't fucking know about that. But like in your mind,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, we're both adults, Like what what am
Speaker 1: I gonna do? You know, I can't not you. You
Speaker 1: kind of as an adult, you have your own you
Speaker 1: can decide to date, you know, whatever person you want
Speaker 1: to fucking date. Although it's it's it's it is nice
Speaker 1: to have. It is nice to have friends in people
Speaker 1: in your core, you know. I you know, actually, I'm
Speaker 1: rethinking actually a lot of the way that I think
Speaker 1: about a situation like this, because I think I think
Speaker 1: about it in like a hyper individualistic way, in like
Speaker 1: a nothing you can do way, and there is a truth,
Speaker 1: there's a lot there's a lot of truth to accepting
Speaker 1: that there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 3: But like.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm thinking about in my I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about in my life, both because I feel like I've
Speaker 1: been in a situation where like I've been like seeing
Speaker 1: someone y dating somebody, and my friend is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know about this person. And so I've also
Speaker 1: experienced the opposite where like my friend is seeing someone
Speaker 1: or dating someone and I'm like, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: about this person from the perspective me personally in my life,
Speaker 1: when I've been the friend of somebody dating someone where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know about this person, I feel
Speaker 1: in my gut always like I wish so badly I
Speaker 1: could just go off, you know, I wish so bad,
Speaker 1: I wish so bad that I could just go off.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like I don't want to like
Speaker 1: disrespect you, like I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 1: to be like yo, this person is clearly a psychopath
Speaker 1: and is clearly like abusive to you and clearly like whatever,
Speaker 1: because you know, like I almost feel like I'm like,
Speaker 1: am I undermining my friend's intelligence or am I disrespecting
Speaker 1: their Yeah? Like I guess, like disrespecting their intelligence to
Speaker 1: make their own decisions. But I'll say this on the
Speaker 1: other side, where I've like been, you know before in
Speaker 1: my life seeing someone where my friends are like, you're
Speaker 1: talking to someone where my friends are like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know about this person. I appreciate it, I like,
Speaker 1: because I have a deep love and respect for my
Speaker 1: friends and the people close to me in my life,
Speaker 1: and I I respect their opinions. I don't and I
Speaker 1: don't I don't take the opinions of them or the
Speaker 1: opinion of anyone as like the word the God, the
Speaker 1: Word of God and the Gospel as to how I
Speaker 1: should make my decisions in my life. But I personally,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. That's just me. I appreciate I want
Speaker 1: to know my good friends' opinions. I want to know
Speaker 1: my good friend's opinions about my life decisions only because
Speaker 1: they're my friends. Are people who's like intelligence I I
Speaker 1: and I really respect. Yeah, not necessarily, I might. They
Speaker 1: might say something to me and I'd be like, yeahy,
Speaker 1: you're probably right, but I'm gonna go you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a classic right, You're like, yeah, you're probably right,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna just go do whatever the fuck I
Speaker 1: was gonna do anyway, you know, And that might happen.
Speaker 1: So so so that's my ponder to you. As I was,
Speaker 1: I was trying to think about the situation from like
Speaker 1: being on both sides of it. I don't have any advice,
Speaker 1: but that's my ponder.
Speaker 2: No, I've received the ponder. And also like the way
Speaker 2: you break it down too, Like it's helpful to be like, okay,
Speaker 2: like what is the core problem? Like, what is the
Speaker 2: main concern here? Yeah, that's the main you can tell
Speaker 2: I'm going in ten different directions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the main concern. Where like whether
Speaker 1: or not I mean like you got your you know,
Speaker 1: your your debit card's fine. This is mainly uh yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is This all boils down to kind
Speaker 1: of a classic issue. There's also a thing though, I
Speaker 1: think here, okay, here's one thing though. Here, here is
Speaker 1: one thing, and I think, like we all and again
Speaker 1: I I this is something I feel like I've been
Speaker 1: on both sides of and people can kind of relate to.
Speaker 1: Is like all right, so like you know, like you're
Speaker 1: like dating okay, like from okay, from both sides, Like
Speaker 1: your friend constantly complains to you about their relationship at
Speaker 1: a and you kind of talk it through with them.
Speaker 1: At a certain point, you got to be like, yo, listen,
Speaker 1: you can't talk to me about this anymore because we've
Speaker 1: done We've done this eighty thousand times. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if your friend is complaining to you about her.
Speaker 3: Husband's she's not at all.
Speaker 1: Actually she's not at all. Okay, all right, So that's
Speaker 1: a different thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a little protective of him almost sure, which
Speaker 2: is why I give five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's nothing you can It does all boil
Speaker 1: down to there's nothing you can fucking do you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? True?
Speaker 2: And it's like, just like how much do I want
Speaker 2: to risk like the friendship in like expressing concern for her?
Speaker 2: Because I think there's an element of like I'm risking
Speaker 2: my friendship for her when I us if and when
Speaker 2: I express my concern because she might be offended that
Speaker 2: I to accuse her new husband of something like that.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, do I value our friendship more and
Speaker 2: like continuing to maintain this connection and just being there
Speaker 2: for her for like more of a safety concern or
Speaker 2: am I like more immediately concerned right now and think
Speaker 2: that this is the time I should say something.
Speaker 3: Mmm.
Speaker 2: But that's just the thing to ponder.
Speaker 1: I guess it is a thing to put I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm genuinely trying to think about that because
Speaker 1: that's that's a tough situation right there.
Speaker 2: And I guess that one we look down to like
Speaker 2: how deep is this? How deep is this one with
Speaker 2: my debit card?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think look, I mean, look, if here's the thing,
Speaker 1: like if it helps you sleep better at night, to
Speaker 1: just be like, h Yo, look homegirl, you told me
Speaker 1: to tell you, I mean, I mean, fuck especially if this,
Speaker 1: especially if she told you to tell her not to
Speaker 1: she kind of get yo. She kind of gave you
Speaker 1: a pass a little bit. She kind of gave you
Speaker 1: a pass, and I think you can redeem it now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like she gave you a little cul. She gave you
Speaker 1: a little you can talk shit about my boyfriend coupon
Speaker 1: to hold on to, and I think you can. Really,
Speaker 1: I think it's grandfathered into you can talk shit about
Speaker 1: my husbands, and I think you I think it low
Speaker 1: key sounds like she gave you a coupon you can redeem,
Speaker 1: and now you can redeem that coupon and be like, yo,
Speaker 1: remember when you told me to tell you not to
Speaker 1: date this guy? Okay, I kind of low Keith. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna lay out I'm gonna lay out the evidence
Speaker 1: that I have that he might have done this because
Speaker 1: I have this information. I'm gonna lay out this information
Speaker 1: to you and and what you choose to do with
Speaker 1: this information is up to you. But these are my
Speaker 1: personal conclusions about this information. You can form your own, uh,
Speaker 1: I have I have put myself out on the table
Speaker 1: expressing concern as your friend. And that's it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to sleep. But here you go, take take this.
Speaker 1: You know you don't want to be You can't be
Speaker 1: like fucking constantly, you know, pushing, but you can be
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna throw I'm let me, let me just
Speaker 1: let me just place this on the table, you know,
Speaker 1: just place this on the table.
Speaker 2: I like that approach. Yeah, I like that because then
Speaker 2: I could be like, hey, I like, I'm coming to
Speaker 2: you as your friend. I'm expressing concern for you. I
Speaker 2: hope this doesn't affect our friendship. I'm only saying this
Speaker 2: because I love you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a solid And by the way, honestly,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If if your friend is like offended
Speaker 1: by that and it makes her not want to talk
Speaker 1: to you anymore, that's her thing. That's her like that.
Speaker 1: Here's like that could totally happen, and then like a
Speaker 1: year from now, they get divorced. He's stealing money from her.
Speaker 1: She comes back to you table between the legs and goes, hey,
Speaker 1: you're right. And then and then it's up to you
Speaker 1: whether or not you want to be like you know, bitch,
Speaker 1: I told you so, or that's all right, we all
Speaker 1: make mistakes, Like that's fine.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's a great point because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm like, OK, right, well,
Speaker 2: if my gut healing is right, then at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, there's reality where we come back together,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or you do, Like I
Speaker 2: feel like you're describing the scenario I'm imagining now that
Speaker 2: you say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, because if you throw it out there, yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you throw it out there, yeah, Like I said,
Speaker 1: your friend might get super defensive and like retreat in that.
Speaker 1: That happens to people in like those kinds of relationships.
Speaker 1: But you know, if this person is truly your friend, uh,
Speaker 1: Like like if I had like yeah, like I like
Speaker 1: if I like if I had a homie who like
Speaker 1: I was telling that too, and they were like, you know,
Speaker 1: Jessica's amazing, She's never done anything bad. Whatever, And then
Speaker 1: like a year later, I don't talk to them and
Speaker 1: they come back and they're like, yeah, we you know,
Speaker 1: she does this ship. I'd be like, sorry, you know, come,
Speaker 1: what is the what did Jesus say? Jesus said something
Speaker 1: We're like, you can't go Was it Jesus who said
Speaker 1: you can't go too far without being able to come home?
Speaker 1: That's some religious thing, do you know what? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't I know what you're getting at. And I
Speaker 2: know that's like Jesus's vibe, like the woman at the
Speaker 2: well and everything, and like, yeah, the prodigal son. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like the prodigal Son. That was that's that was a
Speaker 2: teaching in church?
Speaker 1: Is that the way? Is that the story of the
Speaker 1: prodigal Son. I've never read the Bible in my life,
Speaker 1: and I'm not Christian. I've never read the Bible of
Speaker 1: my life, but I don't know. Lately I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: should I read the fucking it is that the prodigal son?
Speaker 1: Hold on?
Speaker 2: So the prodigal son is like, there's this family, like
Speaker 2: one son goes off does his own thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, wait yes, oh sorry sorry sorry, Oh no,
Speaker 1: I just google it. No, this is the prodigal son.
Speaker 1: A young man squandered, a young man squanders his inheritance,
Speaker 1: experienced hardship. Basically, all right, this kid fucks up a
Speaker 1: bunch of shit and does a bunch of stupid ship
Speaker 1: and then he comes home with his tale between his
Speaker 1: legs and he's welcomed back with open arms by his father.
Speaker 1: So that's that's it's like an allegory with you. And
Speaker 1: I've become obsessed with God as an allegory for like
Speaker 1: for like actual ship.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: It's interesting though it's become it's lately become interesting to me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so like.
Speaker 2: I'm Catholic in like a chill way, like progressive, like hey,
Speaker 2: like we should just be accepting of people and also
Speaker 2: not use the Bible to like I don't know, condemn others,
Speaker 2: like like I feel like in like it's a cool allegory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's your friend. Your friend is the prodigal son,
Speaker 1: you know, going on basically get your friend. Your friend
Speaker 1: is the prodigal son wandering through the woods, like meeting
Speaker 1: with Swiper the fox from Dora, you know, and then
Speaker 1: coming and then eventually she's like, oh, look, and then
Speaker 1: she'll come back or or we're all or we're all
Speaker 1: wrong and this guy is awesome and everything's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then you know what, hopefully we
Speaker 2: don't even have to go prodigal son sniper no sliping
Speaker 2: route in the first place, but yeah, hopefully hopefully everything
Speaker 2: is fine and he's just like chill, reformed, super sweet guy.
Speaker 1: Well, especially if your friends said that she's a five
Speaker 1: on the skepticism scale, it sounds like she would be
Speaker 1: receptive to this information, so you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, well I hope so too. This has
Speaker 2: been so helpful.
Speaker 3: To su down.
Speaker 1: No, this has been a fun ponder. This has been
Speaker 1: a fun ponder. I'm gonna re I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: rename the podcast. I'm gonna call it the Ponder Gecko,
Speaker 1: the gecko in the pond.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like maybe I should feel like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I need advice, but be like, yo, I need
Speaker 2: to ponder something with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like a pond, I like punt. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna rename I. I I have a journal from like
Speaker 1: August of twenty twenty of me being like I need
Speaker 1: to call I need to rename the podcast, and that
Speaker 1: was five ish years ago. So I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: that shit. I'm too I'm too baked into I'm too
Speaker 1: baked into the search engine optimization too. I'm locked in.
Speaker 1: We're the therapy Gecko. But we're gonna ponder. So anyway,
Speaker 1: what's your name again? No, I don't think Gecko's going ponds.
Speaker 1: All right, Gecko's going up, Jamie, Jamie, look that up
Speaker 1: for me. Do geckos go in ponds? Oh wait, I forgot?
Speaker 1: I'm alone? What's your name again?
Speaker 2: I'm going by Olivia tonight.
Speaker 1: Olivia, Olivia? Olivia? Is there anything else you want to
Speaker 1: say to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: Gek bless you.
Speaker 2: Alaska is a city, not of state. Great chatting with you.
Speaker 1: Have a great day, you too, Great chatting with you too, Olivia.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, have a good one.
Speaker 2: Thank you too.
Speaker 3: Bye, dude.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, ever since I had an existential
Speaker 1: crisis I've been.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pretend like I read books. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I never read books. I I I might be I
Speaker 1: started reading a book. I started reading a book, which
Speaker 1: is the best I usually get.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: I think just I think I have too much crazy
Speaker 1: ADHD to read books. But I think my ADHD causes
Speaker 1: me to like I like I Usually I go on chat,
Speaker 1: ChiPT and Wikipedia and Google, and I gather the main
Speaker 1: ideas of various information. But I don't know why ever
Speaker 1: since I had ever since I had an existential crisis.
Speaker 1: I've been like thinking about fucking God and shit. Uh again,
Speaker 1: not in like a like a literal way, like like
Speaker 1: like believing in like Catholic fucking God, but like the
Speaker 1: story of the products like that. Yeah, like but like
Speaker 1: shit like that. I'm like, oh, I understand why stories
Speaker 1: like this have been passed on for forever because they're
Speaker 1: just They're just fucking allegories. The hilarious thing I guess
Speaker 1: about religion is people taking the allegories literally and using
Speaker 1: it to say that, like you can't be gay or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why I'm talking about this.
Speaker 1: This is this is what bro this is what happens.
Speaker 1: This is this is literally a side effect of vivance
Speaker 1: is that you will start reading the Bible. They should
Speaker 1: have that on the label of the fucking Celsius can
Speaker 1: is that it is that you can't? Is that if
Speaker 1: you drink too much Celsius you start to think about Jesus?
Speaker 1: It's too much? All right? What else? God? Okay, that's it,
Speaker 1: all right, that's it. Let's move on. Let's take another call.
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm done. I'm let's take another call. Let's
Speaker 1: do it okay, Hi, hey man, what's your name?
Speaker 4: You can call me Pizza Pizza.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Pizza house life, Dude.
Speaker 4: I've had a crazy past couple of twelve hours. I've
Speaker 4: had a real like adult a lot of adult shit
Speaker 4: going on in like twelve hours. I gotta I got it.
Speaker 4: I got a kiddy cat and I got home from
Speaker 4: working all week. I was away from home for a week,
Speaker 4: and my kitty cat was all messed up. I had
Speaker 4: to take him to the emergency room and uh, they
Speaker 4: had to put a what's it called. They charged me
Speaker 4: eleven hundred dollars, dude, because he was he couldn't beee well,
Speaker 4: man couldn't pee and uh, and so they drugged him up.
Speaker 4: His name was perk thirty, by the way, I'll prow
Speaker 4: that in there. And so they perked him up. They
Speaker 4: sent him home on a ton of opioids. And I
Speaker 4: wake up this morning and he wouldn't stand up, and
Speaker 4: said to go take him to the vet. And now
Speaker 4: they're charging me three grand to put a catheter in them.
Speaker 4: Jesus Yeah, and they're telling me now that little man
Speaker 4: might have to have his peepee cut off, so I
Speaker 4: might have a transgender child in a couple of days.
Speaker 3: Is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like, there's such a thing as like pet insurance,
Speaker 1: right do.
Speaker 4: People get Apparently? So I've never I never thought about
Speaker 4: it until about twelve hours ago. And you know now
Speaker 4: that I'm just like three thousand dollars less in my wallet,
Speaker 4: I think that's probably a good idea of something to
Speaker 4: invest into. Anybody who has a cat pay like five
Speaker 4: dollars a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, that was a very that was a very
Speaker 1: captain hindsight thing to say.
Speaker 4: But no I was. I'm able to pay for it
Speaker 4: at least I make make decent money.
Speaker 1: But cool, good, But yeah, I guess that's a I
Speaker 1: guess this is a random cautionary tale to fucking get
Speaker 1: pet insurance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they said that for most male cats
Speaker 4: this is pretty common. And so they were cool at
Speaker 4: the places rerecording me like five grand, so and I
Speaker 4: got lucky going somewhere else and they only charged me
Speaker 4: at most three thousands. So if you got to yeah,
Speaker 4: like I said, if you got a kiddie cat or
Speaker 4: god forrid, you got two of them, you better want
Speaker 4: you better want my ten grand and savings just for
Speaker 4: him or something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, aside from the money, how's the how's
Speaker 1: the fucking cat doing?
Speaker 4: I literally just got home an hour ago. I was
Speaker 4: racing him to the hospital that was forty minutes away.
Speaker 4: I just got following with the docs and he's waking
Speaker 4: up from anesthesia and he's all he's doing pretty good
Speaker 4: for the most part. They love his name. Everybody they
Speaker 4: loved his name too, so that was that's what it's
Speaker 4: all about.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 4: But he's doing so so far, so.
Speaker 1: Good, pretty good, but pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 1: How's how's your life? Otherwise?
Speaker 4: You know, life's life's pretty interesting. I'll I'll throw this
Speaker 4: in there. I'm a crane operator, so it's kind of
Speaker 4: unique and fun, but it does keep me away from
Speaker 4: home quite a bit, so I have to like rely
Speaker 4: on my roommates to, you know, take care of my cat.
Speaker 4: I'm like a I'm like a what's it called? You
Speaker 4: call it a I'm like a deadbeat father in a way,
Speaker 4: but then I front the money when I have to.
Speaker 4: But my life's going good. I'm working on a government
Speaker 4: job that I can't talk about, so it's kind of
Speaker 4: fun to say. I guess it's something too interesting. But
Speaker 4: just some sort of factory.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a dumb ask question?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 1: Are you good? Are you good at the crane game?
Speaker 4: I dude, I just started, So I'm not that bad
Speaker 4: for like I'm an apprentice, so like I'm learning, but
Speaker 4: I'm pretty I just started actually like running the crane
Speaker 4: for the first time, like after like a year and
Speaker 4: a half of like learning how to build them and
Speaker 4: operate them and uh, you know the technicalities behind everything. No,
Speaker 4: I mean like I'm like, I'm actually not too bad you.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I mean like like like like are you fucking it
Speaker 1: up at the Chuck e Cheese? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: are you are you drawing a crowd with the skills?
Speaker 1: Are you cleaning out all machine at the chuck e Cheese?
Speaker 4: You could? You could say that sometimes it depends on
Speaker 4: what I'm running. I mean, it depends on the crane.
Speaker 4: I'm running a little tiny crane right now, but a
Speaker 4: couple of Like I've built several cranes, and probably the
Speaker 4: coolest one is like I could say it's like a
Speaker 4: luffer crane, but you would have no idea what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about. Just a big cool crane and running one
Speaker 4: of those is pretty unique and expensive to build.
Speaker 1: And the skill and the skills transfer into collecting the stuffed.
Speaker 4: Animals and the stuff animals.
Speaker 1: Do you know? Are we on the are we? Is
Speaker 1: there a disconnect in our conversation right now?
Speaker 3: Do you really?
Speaker 4: I have no I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: You have no idea what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I've got it together. Whoa, I've got figured out,
Speaker 4: I've got I'm together now, I'm with you on this.
Speaker 4: That ship is so rigged. It's all like I will,
Speaker 4: I've used that. I try to use it on people
Speaker 4: like hicks and stuff, and I'm like, oh yeah, like
Speaker 4: I'll ring you the stuff in and I'm in a
Speaker 4: bar and then it's all right, like you know, but
Speaker 4: move a little bit this way or that way. And
Speaker 4: I got like my crane operator hat on and and
Speaker 4: then I just like a fool, So I can't really
Speaker 4: use that one too much.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 4: And I never win. I never win them. I can
Speaker 4: shove this money as much money as I want in there,
Speaker 4: I'll never win them.
Speaker 1: You hear that, folks? You can get crane operator. That's
Speaker 1: how rigged it is. You can get crane operator certified
Speaker 1: and you still can suck at the game.
Speaker 4: It's it is true. It's I mean, it's all it's
Speaker 4: it's all rigged. It's all just a big lie. So
Speaker 4: but but yeah, it's been it's been a cool job.
Speaker 4: I was gonna be a programmer before I started doing this, so,
Speaker 4: I mean it was kind of a big jump from like,
Speaker 4: you know, sitting in an office desk to running cranes.
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't ever turn back on it because I
Speaker 4: don't see myself. I don't see it being taken over
Speaker 4: by AI anytime soon, you know, things like that. And
Speaker 4: also I've had to travel all around the state that
Speaker 4: I live in. I'll just say I live in Michigan,
Speaker 4: and I also came to your show in Detroit. I
Speaker 4: feel I feel like everybody. I feel like that Detroit show,
Speaker 4: I feel like we did we did you a disservice.
Speaker 4: I feel like you you did such a good job there.
Speaker 4: I feel like we did you just like a diservice.
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of people left before that
Speaker 4: rave last year. Did you ever hear a lot of
Speaker 4: people with that RaSE?
Speaker 1: Are you taught? Hold on? I did two Detroit shows.
Speaker 1: I did one in twenty three at St. Andrews, and
Speaker 1: then I did one at the that that concert venue
Speaker 1: that looked like a laser tag arena.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: That you were at that one. Yeah, okay, you were
Speaker 1: at that one. Yeah, that one was Uh that venue
Speaker 1: was a fascinating place.
Speaker 4: Why why would you say that because it was way
Speaker 4: out Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it was a very like old venue and it
Speaker 1: was definitely it was clearly meant for like old school
Speaker 1: like rock concerts. I had a great time. I thought
Speaker 1: it was really cool. I thought it was cool to
Speaker 1: uh do a place like that. But yeah, it was Uh. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't think people did uh to me at the service.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people stayed for it was
Speaker 1: a fun time. That was a that was cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was cool. Somebody else I.
Speaker 4: Couldn't stay, so I couldn't. I couldn't stay, so I
Speaker 4: wasn't sure. I thought. I thought there's a lot of
Speaker 4: people left. So that's good to hear.
Speaker 1: Somebody, somebody actually who was at that show called into
Speaker 1: the podcast a few weeks ago or whatever and told
Speaker 1: me that they saw me like standing outside in the
Speaker 1: alley without my get go head on, like smoking my
Speaker 1: vape and it looked.
Speaker 4: Like, uh oh I remember I did? I do remember
Speaker 4: hearing about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the same show. Yeah, okay, so Crane Operators.
Speaker 1: Wait so you think crane operation I've been thinking a
Speaker 1: lot about yeah, AI ship and like what's gonna still
Speaker 1: be around and what's not Like I was watching a bro.
Speaker 1: Have you seen vo three?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe explain it.
Speaker 1: It's utterly dude, It's it's utterly insane. It's like completely insane.
Speaker 1: It's like Google's new like AI filmmaking tool, and it
Speaker 1: makes no If you go on YouTube and you search
Speaker 1: like Google VO three videos, you'll watch it and be like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, this is this is this is We're on
Speaker 1: the I'm not inherently a doomer about all this. Somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody in the Spotify somebody in the Spotify comments called
Speaker 1: me a doomer when it comes to a I'm not
Speaker 1: a doomer. I'm actually I try my opinions about these
Speaker 1: things are worthless because I don't know anything about computer science.
Speaker 1: These are just like, yeah, observations about like I don't
Speaker 1: know humanity or just I guess, just me trying to
Speaker 1: be optimistic. But anyway, I'm not a doomer. I'm not
Speaker 1: a doomer. I'm generally attempt I generally attempt to I
Speaker 1: guess be optimistic about uh the future of shit. But yeah,
Speaker 1: no Vo three is crazy. But anyway, so crane people,
Speaker 1: crane operators will not be replaced.
Speaker 4: You think, well, here's my thing. I'm this, I might
Speaker 4: I might like implement a little bit of a doomer
Speaker 4: on you here. But I thought I saw saying where
Speaker 4: China they built like a whole I oh it was
Speaker 4: a highway or a road or what it was, but
Speaker 4: it was all using AI. And it was like they
Speaker 4: used no operators, like I'm talking like because because I'm
Speaker 4: a I'm a union operator and I have the same
Speaker 4: union as like the people who like run like the
Speaker 4: excavators and all like the equipment, and so they were
Speaker 4: doing that all with like AI. And then I'm sitting
Speaker 4: here like, oh shit, because if we can't if I
Speaker 4: can't do that, or if they're going to do AI
Speaker 4: with like equipment, then you know, what are they gonna
Speaker 4: do here? You know what I mean? But the same
Speaker 4: the cranes. Cranes are very they're very complicated, I think
Speaker 4: more than people would realize. It's all about like at
Speaker 4: the same time like catching Like it's like it's like
Speaker 4: literally like a having like a ball on a fishing pole,
Speaker 4: like you throw it around at swings. You's like we're
Speaker 4: going to catch it and stuff, except for it's like
Speaker 4: you know, you're talking twenty thousand pound pieces or like
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand pound pieces. But yeah, I don't know
Speaker 4: how much. I'm just like I'm not. I'm I'm about
Speaker 4: I'm like optimistic if I'm a numer but I'm kind
Speaker 4: of just like I'm just like put on my blinders
Speaker 4: and just like going forward and just seeing what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 1: like I was so before I became, Before I I
Speaker 1: truly stumbled and got lucky into like stumbling upon, you know,
Speaker 1: doing this podcast and stuff. My my plan was that
Speaker 1: I was going to start a business like making like
Speaker 1: doing so making social media video for businesses like like law,
Speaker 1: like local law firms and local dentists and ship like that.
Speaker 1: Like that was gonna be my plan was gonna try.
Speaker 1: That was the business I was going to try to
Speaker 1: build out of college before like I stumbled into being
Speaker 1: a gecko, and then once I saw the Google. Once
Speaker 1: I saw the Google VO three shit, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, if if if I had done that, I
Speaker 1: would be completely like all like commercial filmmaking or like
Speaker 1: commercial video, like anytime you see like a prescription drug
Speaker 1: ad and there's like people running and frolicking or whatever,
Speaker 1: like all that shit. I think all that shit is
Speaker 1: gonna be God. I was, yeah, I was thinking about that.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, if I had started that business,
Speaker 1: I would be fucked.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I have a couple of friends who went in the
Speaker 4: film school. I know you've talked about film school plenty
Speaker 4: of times, and they and they are not doing their
Speaker 4: they can't find anything in their field. And I can't
Speaker 4: imagine with you know, with all that AI stuff that
Speaker 4: you were just talking about with you said, VO three,
Speaker 4: is that what.
Speaker 3: It is called vo Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's it's it's crazy, I think. And I
Speaker 1: was talking to my friends like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be anti Doomer for a second. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: antidomer because I because like when you look at VO three,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh shit, this like basically it makes like
Speaker 1: very like lifelike filmmaking. And you could look at it
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, this is going to have like
Speaker 1: very negative implications on like the creation of art and that.
Speaker 1: I like, I think that like the the human spirit
Speaker 1: of like creativity, I don't think will be impacted, like
Speaker 1: I was thinking about like like like like you look
Speaker 1: at the VO three ship and you're like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: can generate the visual style of like south Park, Like
Speaker 1: it could make a south It can make a South
Speaker 1: Park episode, right, but like, like what makes south Park
Speaker 1: south Park is that like you know, Trey Parker and
Speaker 1: Matt Stone and the people that write the show, like
Speaker 1: there is an inherent like brilliance and humanity and creativity
Speaker 1: that and like whatever that is. I think we're probably
Speaker 1: very far away from AI replacing that, you know, but
Speaker 1: I was I was watching right right, so like it
Speaker 1: can like again, like you could, like you can go
Speaker 1: into chat GPT and be like, write me an episode
Speaker 1: of south Park. But it's not gonna it's not gonna
Speaker 1: make the what the fucking thing is because you need
Speaker 1: human creativity, and there will be a lot of like
Speaker 1: complete AI slop. There's gonna be a ton of it.
Speaker 1: Uh the completely yes, there already is. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: there's still going to be things. I don't think that
Speaker 1: like the human spirit of creativity and like people wanting
Speaker 1: to connect with the ideas that are being expressed and
Speaker 1: created by humans is going away anytime soon. I just
Speaker 1: think that like all the legit, like a lot of
Speaker 1: the logistics involved in expressing those ideas are going to
Speaker 1: get totally fucked up, you know.
Speaker 4: I feel like in a way too, like generational, Like
Speaker 4: I feel like after maybe like maybe not people in
Speaker 4: my generation, maybe people like down the line after like
Speaker 4: you know, TikTok or whatever comes next to or TikTok,
Speaker 4: you know, like whatever would you know, whoever like comes
Speaker 4: to people's minds or I should say that whatever you know?
Speaker 4: Uh my god, what am I getting at here? I'm
Speaker 4: going to doom around this?
Speaker 1: Now, go ahead. They expressed your truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out trying to word it.
Speaker 4: Like something's gonna like amplify like people like accepting like
Speaker 4: AI to do everything for everybody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's gonna be for sure, like in
Speaker 4: in my opinion, down the line eventually. So I feel
Speaker 4: like in a way, somebody somewhere or a group of
Speaker 4: people you would say or make so much money off
Speaker 4: of it that they'll do whatever they can to you know,
Speaker 4: force that on the people. But who knows. I really
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm just a fucking construction worker. I'm kind
Speaker 4: of a stupid ass.
Speaker 1: But no, I'm also also also kind of a stupid ass.
Speaker 3: Now, I have no.
Speaker 1: I really, I'm like, no, I've been watching because yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I don't, I have no. I'm not a computer scientist.
Speaker 1: This is not like, uh, this is not like you know,
Speaker 1: the rambling these this podcast is not like I'm not
Speaker 1: a computer scientist. These are just like, these are just
Speaker 1: observations that I'm having philosophic rambles. Yeah, these are just
Speaker 1: philosophic rambles from just my own human experience and very literally,
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to say very little empirical knowledge.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say zero empirical knowledge. But that's why
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm watching. I'll watch like Ted talks or
Speaker 1: like I watched this video last night where this dude
Speaker 1: was like breaking down the levels of AI and like
Speaker 1: if it is possible, I mean, this is like the
Speaker 1: classic thing of like is it possible for this ship
Speaker 1: to gain consciousness? Because like, all right, my dad comes
Speaker 1: in my mom and then that made an egg or whatever.
Speaker 1: The I don't even I don't even know that shit works.
Speaker 1: Anything works. But somehow, somehow, my mom's egg and my
Speaker 1: dad's come created within me consciousness as a human being.
Speaker 1: And it's like, is it possible for human beings two
Speaker 1: artificially recreate whatever was going on with my dad's come
Speaker 1: to make me? And then if we argue that yes,
Speaker 1: it is, I guess the idea is we create these
Speaker 1: fucking robots who then become smarter than us that they
Speaker 1: figure out that they like study. They basically study, They
Speaker 1: very vigorously study my dad's come in a way and
Speaker 1: then figure out what inside my dad's come makes consciousness,
Speaker 1: so then they make it, and then they make conscious
Speaker 1: beings that are also immortal. Is how is how I
Speaker 1: think this works. But it's it's definitely an oversimplification. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm curious with like actual No, I think I
Speaker 1: think you hit the nail on the head there.
Speaker 4: I think that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if your dad's calm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but like what the fuck
Speaker 1: was I but I don't know if that's physically possible.
Speaker 1: But also we do a lot of shit that, like,
Speaker 1: we do a lot of shit that, like in the
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds was like like the fact that you and
Speaker 1: I could have this conversation over the phone, Yeah, would
Speaker 1: be would be conceivably physically impoppus, the fact that we
Speaker 1: fly airplanes. Like, there's a lot of shit that is
Speaker 1: conceivably impossible that we just fucking did.
Speaker 4: Like I was listening to what's it called, I listened
Speaker 4: to a lot of Joe rogan be was from the
Speaker 4: side here. It is kind of on topic. They were
Speaker 4: talking about how they were building a quantum computer and
Speaker 4: that it was and he was talking about this quantic
Speaker 4: computer that was in a way somehow solving He explained
Speaker 4: it to be something online. But but we got every
Speaker 4: atom in the universe and put it together and into
Speaker 4: a big computer and gave it this equation. The universe
Speaker 4: would blow up just like from overheating before it can
Speaker 4: solve it. But then this computer is solting this math
Speaker 4: equation and they think it's like going into the multiverse,
Speaker 4: which sounds like super ridiculous and like sounds like like
Speaker 4: super Joe rogany of course, but like, yeah, that's so
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like he's not saying that, but
Speaker 4: like that's what scientists are sending. They think that's that
Speaker 4: this computer that they're making is going into the multiverse.
Speaker 1: You know. Can I tell you actually, you know, actually
Speaker 1: it's funny before you brought up Joe Rogan. Can I
Speaker 1: tell you a thought process I was having as we
Speaker 1: were having this conversation, Like, like, as I was talking
Speaker 1: this whole time, I was thinking in my head, I
Speaker 1: was like, because his whole his whole thing is like
Speaker 1: I'm a dumb guy just exp like fucking saying a
Speaker 1: bunch of shit on a podcast. And I'm like, uh oh,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh crap, I'm doing dumb guy right now.
Speaker 1: I'm doing dumb guys saying bunch of ship on a
Speaker 1: podcast right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm not. I'm not having a
Speaker 1: I know I'm not. I'm like, oh fuck, am I am?
Speaker 1: I Is that bad to do dumb guy saying a
Speaker 1: bunch of shit on a podcast?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I don't think so at all. I mean
Speaker 4: I listened to you every day. I said I saw
Speaker 4: I mean that would I don't know what that would
Speaker 4: make me because I listened to you all the time,
Speaker 4: so like.
Speaker 1: It would make us two I guess it would make
Speaker 1: us two dumb guys just saying words and then listening
Speaker 1: to it's I guess it's a it's a man. See,
Speaker 1: this is why the computer. The computers are gonna not
Speaker 1: even be dealing with any of this ship. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing crazy cool stuff.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. And I just hope that they
Speaker 4: don't take over my crane job. I like doing the
Speaker 4: crane stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wait, this slug goes back to you. Didn't
Speaker 1: you said that you don't think ay I is going
Speaker 1: to take your frain job?
Speaker 4: No, I said, I don't know. I suppose I started
Speaker 4: from I was saying that Ai China was making uh
Speaker 4: equipment run on AI and build roads. Who I mean,
Speaker 4: the roads could have been super shit, honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It could have been like a really shitty road, but
Speaker 4: like it made a road, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I never even thought about it like that. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: are getting crans are getting very also technically advanced too,
Speaker 4: to the point where they can like almost assist you
Speaker 4: the whole time you're running it. Whether it's like the
Speaker 4: old ones are kind of just like you push a
Speaker 4: lever and that thing goes, or if you push it
Speaker 4: so far it'll tip over. But I don't know things
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's getting very like safety and technologically advanced.
Speaker 1: So I wonder sometimes, if you're listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: right now, don't don't get any of your information or
Speaker 1: thoughts or ideas about AI from from me or this
Speaker 1: caller or from Joe Rogan. Go find seriously, go like,
Speaker 1: go find some like like uh, go find like some
Speaker 1: computer scientist, motherfucker, not like a not like a CEO
Speaker 1: of a tech company. But go find some like computer
Speaker 1: scientist motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know who.
Speaker 1: Go find some computer scientist person who who made the stuff,
Speaker 1: Find some really boring computer scientist person and go listen
Speaker 1: to them, and they'll start talking about stuff. I want
Speaker 1: to do more. I want to do more of that.
Speaker 1: But again I'm too adhd. I'm too adhd, So I
Speaker 1: end up. You know what I ended up doing. I
Speaker 1: end up going on chat GPT and being like I
Speaker 1: did I kind of I did the most hilarious thing
Speaker 1: the other day. I went on chat GPT and I
Speaker 1: was talking to it and I was like, what safeguards
Speaker 1: are in place for like AI video so that you know,
Speaker 1: people can't mistake it as uh as real. And I
Speaker 1: I noticed the irony of like asking AI hey, so like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are gonna be cool, right, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I forget what it's it spit
Speaker 1: back at me.
Speaker 3: It was like.
Speaker 1: Something about how like Adobe, Well there's like clear, there's
Speaker 1: like legislation. I think that's happening, but it's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the technology and ship is progressing faster than it can be.
Speaker 4: I think too, Like say, the same thing is, you
Speaker 4: can do all the legislation you want, but it's still
Speaker 4: like we get content from all around the world, you know,
Speaker 4: so like what is legislation. Sure it's gonna do something,
Speaker 4: but I mean, was it really gonna do if you
Speaker 4: think about it, I don't know. That's the way. That's
Speaker 4: what I think sometimes. But yeah, I don't listen to me.
Speaker 4: I dropped that of I dropped out of computer programming
Speaker 4: in college two times, so like, I don't know fucking anything.
Speaker 1: I have been having a lot of fun having this,
Speaker 1: you know, two white guys doing mushrooms for the first time,
Speaker 1: conversation with you.
Speaker 4: It does feel like that.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I like I I I I guess it's
Speaker 1: bleeding out into the podcast because I in my actual life,
Speaker 1: I do enjoy uh. I think about this stuff. I
Speaker 1: talk about it with my friends. It's been it's just
Speaker 1: it's just been on my mind, especially after seeing the
Speaker 1: the Vio ship. But I did want to I do
Speaker 1: optimistically believe that like, like, uh, like, human people will
Speaker 1: always still always like you know what is you know
Speaker 1: it is? Another thing is I think there will be
Speaker 1: a there will probably be a large group of people
Speaker 1: who like go the opposite way. Like we're already like
Speaker 1: we're seeing a movement. I think of people who like
Speaker 1: get clamshell phones and like delete their social media and
Speaker 1: like people who are like going the other way.
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 1: Again, this is like I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: like optimism or naivete, but I predict that that movement
Speaker 1: will grow if people be like, you know, reject reject
Speaker 1: modernity and fucking touch grass or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm laying in the grass right now in my backyard.
Speaker 4: And I actually deleted Facebook and Instagram. I never had
Speaker 4: I had to talk for a little bit. I deleted it.
Speaker 4: But I've Instagram was like my crack. I would always
Speaker 4: go on it. But yeah, I deleted Instagram and Facebook
Speaker 4: about like two months ago. And I feel like I
Speaker 4: remember you talking about some about this, like sitting on
Speaker 4: the subway because you live in New York and you
Speaker 4: said there and just like enjoy the moment. And that's
Speaker 4: what I do. Like out of the vet today, I'm
Speaker 4: sitting there and my phone. I'm just sitting there in
Speaker 4: the moment, just like pondering and just like chilling, just
Speaker 4: the moment.
Speaker 1: Just to clarify, just so we're on, just so everyone knows.
Speaker 1: I do that about one out of every fifty times
Speaker 1: I ride the subway. And it's so great because the
Speaker 1: other forty nine times I'm on my phone on Instagram
Speaker 1: like everybody else. But one out of every fifty times
Speaker 1: I get to, you know, hold a pretend to read
Speaker 1: a book and think I'm better than everyone else.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's funny is I I do often
Speaker 1: wonder because I do that, I've been like i'll, i'll,
Speaker 1: i'll anytime I do like shut off my phone or
Speaker 1: like read look at a book. I look up and
Speaker 1: I like you look and you like observe everyone being
Speaker 1: on their phone, and you observe like there's always at
Speaker 1: least a couple of other people who are like not
Speaker 1: or they're like on on the books or whatever, and
Speaker 1: I and I I want to I want to have
Speaker 1: a moment. I I haven't had this moment yet, but
Speaker 1: I want to have a moment where I catch somebody
Speaker 1: else who's reading a book on the train looking up
Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing, and I'm like, well, like we
Speaker 1: lock eyes, and I'm like, are you also looking around
Speaker 1: the train to have that moment where you're like everything, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone's so addicted to their phones, but but not me.
Speaker 1: I'm reading a book and I'm awesome.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, because that that that's not that's not an
Speaker 1: original thought. And so I'm like, are the other people
Speaker 1: reading the books on the train also having that thought?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: They for sure are. I mean I feel like I
Speaker 4: do sometimes when I sit in like a waiting room
Speaker 4: or somewhere and I'm not sitting on my phone. I mean, honestly, God,
Speaker 4: I'll be so real. The only thing I do on
Speaker 4: my phone right now is fucking play the Loatro. I'm
Speaker 4: hooked to Balatro and I g awesome shot.
Speaker 1: I thought Blatro's niggas. I thought Platro was like on
Speaker 1: the Switch. I didn't know it was a phone game.
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm a phone and I'm a computer. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: if you played a lot and your switches on your
Speaker 4: phone too, that's pretty cool. That game is the ship.
Speaker 1: M hmm, what else? Is there anything else?
Speaker 4: I don't know? Man, are you really?
Speaker 1: I forgot? Oh wait, you're on the are you? Are
Speaker 1: you really laying on the grass right now?
Speaker 4: I just stood up? But yeah, I'm outside my backyard
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 4: Usually I've I've had a pretty stressful morning, to be honest,
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of just like staying out of my house.
Speaker 4: So I thought my cat was gonna die. He still
Speaker 4: might die. Sorry for the mood, but I don't know
Speaker 4: if he will or not.
Speaker 1: We started we talked about Ai too much. I forgot
Speaker 1: about the cat thing.
Speaker 4: That's okay, and that was that was like the banger
Speaker 4: was Yeah, but he hopefully he pulled through per thories
Speaker 4: and be all right. He's a sweet young man.
Speaker 1: What is your name against sir?
Speaker 4: I'm Pizza.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Pizza, Pizza. This is this is a fun conversation.
Speaker 1: I hope. I'm I hope it didn't sound like the
Speaker 1: people listening. I hope it didn't sound like whatever crazy
Speaker 1: person talk. But I I enjoyed. I enjoyed having it.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed having this conversation.
Speaker 4: It maybe it made me forget about my morning. So
Speaker 4: I appreciate you very much. I mean that you helped
Speaker 4: me out the day when I'm running the cranes around
Speaker 4: my equipment all the time, So I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, when you're running the crane, do you ever
Speaker 1: do you ever have like intrusive thoughts of like, yo,
Speaker 1: I could just fuck up, I could like just just
Speaker 1: car Yeah I'm sure, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like I grind my teeth, I get so nervous.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is it that that's like a scary realization to like,
Speaker 1: like everyone's human, and I think like intrusive thoughts are
Speaker 1: like part of being a human. Like like when you
Speaker 1: were in fourth grade, your and your teacher was like
Speaker 1: writing maths on the board. They probably had one moment
Speaker 1: where they were like, what if I pulled my pants
Speaker 1: down and took a ship right now? What they probably
Speaker 1: had they probably did, like if you like like like
Speaker 1: like the older you, the older you get the more
Speaker 1: you like look back on your childhood and you look
Speaker 1: back on like like you're like like your your teachers
Speaker 1: and parents and whatever, and you're like, oh, they were
Speaker 1: they were humans just like me. They had all these
Speaker 1: like thoughts and feelings that I have. And I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, does my dad am I ever
Speaker 1: like at dinner with my dad and he's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what if I just punched my like when I was
Speaker 1: a baby. Did my dad ever look at me and go,
Speaker 1: what if I just took them and threw them on
Speaker 1: the ground?
Speaker 4: Oh dude, for sure. Like I'll be up in the
Speaker 4: cab sitting there and I'm like twelve feet above the
Speaker 4: ground in a glass box. I'm like, what if I
Speaker 4: just like start jerking off right now look at me?
Speaker 4: You know, they probably will. It'll probably be a show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, that's got it. Like I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's like a I don't think. I don't think in truth.
Speaker 1: I guess like like severe intruth. I think you know
Speaker 1: what this is all, this is all like pseudo whatever,
Speaker 1: But like I think intrusive thoughts are probably like natural
Speaker 1: to the human experience. And then like if you're mentally
Speaker 1: ill to some degree, they just they just get way
Speaker 1: worse and way more frequent.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I mean if
Speaker 4: you're if you're a tower crane operator, you have to
Speaker 4: like ship up there in a bucket and pissing a bottle.
Speaker 4: So I'm pretty sure you can jerk off if you're
Speaker 4: in a tire crane. Nobody will see it anyway as
Speaker 4: a tower crane operator or wants to be well, you.
Speaker 1: Know what that's that's that's that's your experiment to undergo.
Speaker 1: Should you should you feel, should you feel, did you
Speaker 1: feel called to it?
Speaker 4: I'll call you back and I'll let you know how
Speaker 4: it goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please do pizza? Is there anything else you I
Speaker 1: say the people of the computer before we.
Speaker 4: Go, stay positive, treat others how you want to be treated,
Speaker 4: and it's about it. I love you, Lyle. I'll talk
Speaker 4: to you another another universe. Thank you, pizza crane jerking off.
Speaker 1: I'll see you, hope, I you know, hopefully I'll look
Speaker 1: up one day and I'll see a guy jerking off
Speaker 1: in a tower crane and I'll and I'll shoot him
Speaker 1: a smile.
Speaker 4: All right, Lyle, I'll see I love you.
Speaker 1: Take care pizza. Thank you man. All right, boy, well,
Speaker 1: I hope you guys have been enjoying this episode of
Speaker 1: the Therapy Gecko Experience. Thus far from Casey. Hello, what's up,
Speaker 1: Casey has life?
Speaker 3: It's going good man. I was on the podcast probably
Speaker 3: like a month and a half, a couple of months
Speaker 3: ago at this point now about living on a fishing boat.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, you're the fucking Alaska guy. Yeah, oh fuck you? Okay, cool, okay,
Speaker 1: Actually this is sick. I'm glad we I'm actually glad
Speaker 1: that you called back in because, uh, okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give some context real quick. Is that you called in,
Speaker 1: uh to the podcast fucking I don't remember how long ago,
Speaker 1: but yeah, maybe like a month ago to talk about
Speaker 1: your experience going insane on Alaskan fishing boats. And I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk more about it with you, but you
Speaker 1: had to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was on my lunch breakout work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, So actually, you know what is you
Speaker 1: know what's funny is, after the last call I wanted
Speaker 1: to do I wanted to end with something simple, but
Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. We're not going to
Speaker 1: do that because it's actually an actually it's perfect that
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you for a few reasons, is okay,
Speaker 1: Like I've been saying, I don't I'm not. I haven't
Speaker 1: read any books. I've only frantically researched things on Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: And I've been doing I'm doing the same thing I
Speaker 1: did in high school, which like, in high school, I
Speaker 1: never read any fucking books. I just spark noted and whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm doing that. I'm doing that again, except I'm
Speaker 1: doing it to actually learn instead of to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the purpose of learning, instead of cheesing through school.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so I'm doing the same thing I did
Speaker 1: in high school, except I'm actually like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 1: So when we talked last, you talked about the myth
Speaker 1: of Sisyphis, and you're talking about the myth of Sisyphus.
Speaker 1: And also I think since we last talked, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been talking about like how like I went through a big,
Speaker 1: pretty bad existential crisis. I don't know if it's over.
Speaker 1: I mean it's only been for the last ten days. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've been feeling pretty stable and great. But I had
Speaker 1: one Okay, so I had one night I had I
Speaker 1: had a horrible, horrible night. Uh, maybe this is less
Speaker 1: than a month ago. It was like three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Whatever I took. I was trying to
Speaker 1: figure out the proper, my proper dosage of vivance, and
Speaker 1: so I started on I started on thirty milligrams of vibance.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: I was I was awake for an entire night researching
Speaker 1: existentialism and just like having a having like a full
Speaker 1: on like insomnia, like panic about existentialism. And I was
Speaker 1: watching this video about uh Camu, you know Camu and
Speaker 1: his whole and his whole thing is that it's his
Speaker 1: whole thing. Is one must imagine Sisyphis happy as happy
Speaker 1: as happy, and I was, and I was trying to
Speaker 1: get into it, and I was like, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: accept it. I was like, what the funk? What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? That's insane?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: How is that? How can that apply to everyone? Okay?
Speaker 1: So anyway, anyway, so for okay, So for people who
Speaker 1: don't know the myth, and you you actually read the book,
Speaker 1: I just read the spark notes, so correct me on this.
Speaker 1: But the the myth of Sisyphis is basically this fucking dude, Sisyphis.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna open I'm gonna oversimplify all this. This dude
Speaker 1: Sisyphis like does some ship to mess with a bunch
Speaker 1: of gods, so the gods condemn him to an eternity
Speaker 1: of rolling a boulder up a hill, up the hill,
Speaker 1: and then the.
Speaker 3: Boulder he'll he'll get it right up to the top
Speaker 3: and it'll go back down again.
Speaker 1: Yes, he'll get it right up to the top and
Speaker 1: he'll go back down again. And is he condemned to
Speaker 1: do this for eternity? Is he is sipus mortal? Or
Speaker 1: does he? Or is he immortal?
Speaker 3: He's he's mortal, but like his punishment gives him immortality
Speaker 3: because he's stuck there for eternity.
Speaker 1: He's wit. Really he does that for eternity?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's the uh. The idea of
Speaker 3: the myth is that he like he's free once he
Speaker 3: can get the boulder up the hill, but he never
Speaker 3: gets it up the hill, so.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even do it today. He's still so okay,
Speaker 1: So in the myth he's he's so in the myth
Speaker 1: he's immortal. So he actually is doing this for eternity.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like do it until he's eighty and dies,
Speaker 1: and then he can just be dead.
Speaker 3: He's he's he's he's immortal in the sense that at
Speaker 3: least I'm pretty sure. It's been a really long times
Speaker 3: since I've read the book, and I'm not super like,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't have a bunch of knowledge on
Speaker 3: Greek myths. But from what I understand or from what
Speaker 3: I remember, is that he betrays the gods as a
Speaker 3: mortal man, but he essentially through his punishment where he
Speaker 3: rolls a boulder up a hill for eternity, he is
Speaker 3: immortal in his punishment, but he is a mortal man
Speaker 3: before he betrays the gods.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, so okay, he's a mortal man, betrays the gods,
Speaker 1: and do the gods turn him immortal basically.
Speaker 3: With the punishment. Yeah, I mean, it's it's not that
Speaker 3: like he's immortal in a way that he's like omniscient, oh,
Speaker 3: the way like a god is, but like he's immortal
Speaker 3: in the fact that he lives forever just because he's
Speaker 3: rolling a boulder up a hill forever and that's all
Speaker 3: he does and that's his punishment. That's it's like going
Speaker 3: to Hell forever, except he's just stuck in the doldrums.
Speaker 1: So so in in a little bit of my eccidential crisis.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, all right, so death can be
Speaker 1: kind of spooky, but the op but like eternity is
Speaker 1: also kind of spooky, and it's like and so, but
Speaker 1: and so, how do you reconcile with that? And so
Speaker 1: the idea is like, all right, you get this guy
Speaker 1: Sissyphis is rolling the boulder up a hill, and this
Speaker 1: guy Albert Camu is a philosopher. Yeah, I was up.
Speaker 1: I was. I was tweaking on vibe Ance at three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, watching a YouTube video about Albert
Speaker 1: Camu talking about absurdism, which is the idea that Sisyphis
Speaker 1: trapped in this eternal hell of rolling the boulder up
Speaker 1: the hill, only for it to fall down again, which
Speaker 1: I guess you could consider is like, I mean, you
Speaker 1: could consider that as an allegory for like a ton
Speaker 1: of shit. And yet he and yet Camu's thing is
Speaker 1: one must imagine Sisyphis is happy and actually, honestly, right now,
Speaker 1: as I'm like recounting all of this, I'm like, Camu,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about? That sounds like hell,
Speaker 1: how the fuck is he supposed to be happy? But
Speaker 1: you seem like when I talked to you that you
Speaker 1: got a lot out of it, and that resonate with you.
Speaker 1: So I ask you, what, what do you what is
Speaker 1: your interpretation of that? Why do you think that Sisyphis
Speaker 1: should be happy with his eternal punishments.
Speaker 3: I haven't really thought about it in a while, so
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna riff riff. But in the myths of Sispus,
Speaker 3: one of the central ideas is that like the only
Speaker 3: true choice that that we have, or one of them,
Speaker 3: not like true choice, but like the ultimate power that
Speaker 3: humanity has over himself that they can control. Is the
Speaker 3: concept of suicide, is that we can kill ourselves. And
Speaker 3: he claims it's these are not the words that he uses,
Speaker 3: but he says this is it's like the ultimate philosophical leap,
Speaker 3: or like a philosophical.
Speaker 4: Like, or like.
Speaker 3: It's it's like one of the brave like in a way,
Speaker 3: not like brave in the traditional sense, but one of
Speaker 3: the bravest things that we can do. And which is
Speaker 3: why you know, it's it's a part of our consciousness
Speaker 3: that we can we have the choice to think about that,
Speaker 3: and we can not not necessarily the choice, but like
Speaker 3: it's it's an option for humans, right M And I think,
Speaker 3: should we not choose to make that act, then we
Speaker 3: need to find a way to reconcile with what we
Speaker 3: have in the present. But there's always that nagging option
Speaker 3: or thought in the back of one's head. And with Sisyphis,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have that option. He's doing that forever. He
Speaker 3: can't he can't just kill himself to stop rolling the
Speaker 3: boulder up the hill. So if he if he is
Speaker 3: stuck there for eternity, and if we choose not to
Speaker 3: do the if we choose not to commit suicide, which
Speaker 3: is our only way out besides the natural course of death,
Speaker 3: then we have to envision ourselves like we can compare
Speaker 3: ourselves in a way to Ciscis in our everyday lives.
Speaker 3: But we have like in order to reconcile with that idea.
Speaker 3: We we can't just see Sisyphus as you know, a whining, bitching, complainer,
Speaker 3: because then we would be, you know, condemned to misery
Speaker 3: for our entire lives. So we have to envision him
Speaker 3: as happy despite the absurd circumstances that he's in. We
Speaker 3: we are thrown into this world without a choice, and
Speaker 3: we were we we deal with a lot of things
Speaker 3: that make absolutely zero sense. You know, things don't turn
Speaker 3: out the way it could.
Speaker 4: So so we we have to.
Speaker 3: Find a mentality or perspective that can elevate us through that,
Speaker 3: so we can find you know, the humor and the
Speaker 3: joy in existence.
Speaker 1: But is one of like the like the philosophy of
Speaker 1: absurdism is is anti suicide? Right?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, Well when he's not when he's talking about that,
Speaker 3: he's not saying that it's a good thing, but it's
Speaker 3: he's he sees it as like a kind of transcend
Speaker 3: transcendental idea, a unique facet of human existence that has
Speaker 3: a huge you know, has huge implications on our existence.
Speaker 1: He was, he again, this is all just I have
Speaker 1: I you know what, you know what I was in
Speaker 1: a I was I was in a books I wanted
Speaker 1: to read. He has this book what the Stranger or
Speaker 1: some ship? Okay, all right, so here's the thing I wanted. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I was in a I was, I was home.
Speaker 1: I was I was home in in uh. I was
Speaker 1: home in Maryland with my family, and I was really
Speaker 1: going through the like existential ship and I wanted to
Speaker 1: I wanted to read it, but I was like, I
Speaker 1: think I'm too. Uh, I don't think I'm healthy enough
Speaker 1: to read. I don't want to read this right now,
Speaker 1: you know, like so because I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like in a bookstore, like having a fucking like
Speaker 1: panic attack, and I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: read this right now, but I might go. But once
Speaker 1: I start feeling like like like I'm actually in the past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the past like ten days for me have felt pretty good.
Speaker 1: But I would I'd like to go back and read
Speaker 1: it and approach it from like a more objective point
Speaker 1: of view where I'm not like so deeply sucked into
Speaker 1: it in like a weird unhealthy way, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so where you're not like where you're not as
Speaker 3: intimately connecting with it in terms of your life at
Speaker 3: that moment, but you're able to take sort of a
Speaker 3: bird's eye view at it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so I might. I might. I might pick
Speaker 1: that shit up at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The strangers, right, can't recommend it enough?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: I also want I'm sure the YouTube comments will that
Speaker 3: that is my It's been five four years since I've
Speaker 3: read that, and I have not really explored philosophy for
Speaker 3: a couple of years now, so I'm almost positive that
Speaker 3: that's wrong. But that's kind of how I've been looking
Speaker 3: at absurdism recently, at least through Como's lens. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: people will correct, man, We'll have some interesting YouTube comments
Speaker 3: to read.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I love reading the YouTube comments. You know
Speaker 1: what bothered me is the fucking the the YouTube comments
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Not that I I honestly shouldn't read
Speaker 1: the YouTube comments because I don't know if they I
Speaker 1: don't know if reading YouTube comment I don't know if
Speaker 1: I don't know if reading YouTube comments provides me with
Speaker 1: any value or is Like I mean, I like, I
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I like, you know, I think if you
Speaker 1: make something and put it on the internet, whether it's
Speaker 1: a podcast or a photo or whatever, you want to
Speaker 1: see that people actually listened to or whatever. But like
Speaker 1: I was, I was kind of bummed out by the
Speaker 1: I post the most recent podcast, the one where I
Speaker 1: talk to the lady who is polyamorous. Like people just
Speaker 1: I opened, I opened to the YouTube comments and somebody
Speaker 1: was like, I am also disgusted by your polyamorous lifestyle.
Speaker 1: And I literally put my phone down and I was like,
Speaker 1: people are so fucking like this person did not remotely
Speaker 1: understand what the fucking thing that we were talking about
Speaker 1: in the podcast, Like was that bothered me the way?
Speaker 1: But you also but you can't uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you can't be mad at that shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean people are always gonna, you know,
Speaker 3: look for the tiniest thing that might only be distantly
Speaker 3: related to an entire conversation that you'll have on here,
Speaker 3: and they're gonna latch their own biases to it and
Speaker 3: get up thet about it. So yeah, that's their problem,
Speaker 3: not yours.
Speaker 1: No, I've gotten better at like when I read that
Speaker 1: stuff just like I find it funny. I mean that
Speaker 1: was frustrated. I was like a little bit frustrated at like, oh,
Speaker 1: this person is not understood. This person is like not
Speaker 1: getting what I think we're trying to put out. But like, uh,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff where But then I'll read
Speaker 1: something where it's like you're fat and gay, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, you know that's that's fair, That's that's fair. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Are you feeling less insane? Are you feeling where you
Speaker 1: how do you feel about do you feel good?
Speaker 3: Well? I thinks we're pretty crazy right now. But there's
Speaker 3: been huge ups and huge downs. The huge up, I
Speaker 3: don't know if this had happened. I don't think I
Speaker 3: got the chance to tell you last time we talked,
Speaker 3: but I got it into a mathematics PhD program.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, Okay, I remember this
Speaker 1: conversation because you were red this conversation because you, uh,
Speaker 1: your passion was math and I and I was like,
Speaker 1: you got you got really lucky that your passion is math,
Speaker 1: because yeah, like that's an applicable, you know thing that's
Speaker 1: an easier passion to pursue than a lot of other
Speaker 1: people's passions are harder. Although I kind of actually actually
Speaker 1: hold on, I take that back. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say easy to pursue. Maybe, like you know, there's I
Speaker 1: guess a I mean, I don't know you would know
Speaker 1: this more than I would. But like a linear path
Speaker 1: if one chooses to pursue a career in mathematics as
Speaker 1: opposed to like streaming Fortnite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, the the biggest issue is that
Speaker 3: just acade, Like I want to be a professor, and
Speaker 3: academia is just insanely competitive. Right now, there's a lot
Speaker 3: more PhDs being churned out than there are, you know,
Speaker 3: teaching jobs. But I'm I'm I'm just taking it as
Speaker 3: I go. Really, I just want to go back to school.
Speaker 3: I'm tired of working.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Are you You're not still fishing?
Speaker 4: Are you.
Speaker 3: No? That that was That was a one time thing.
Speaker 3: I'll do it again. I would like to do it
Speaker 3: again at some point, but I'm not at that stage
Speaker 3: of my life right now that that'll be an after
Speaker 3: a big maybe, like an after a big accomplishment, like
Speaker 3: if I made it, if I completed a PhD or
Speaker 3: something like that, and I wanted to go find myself
Speaker 3: for the next stage of my life.
Speaker 1: You know, Alaska is is high up on my I
Speaker 1: have a I have a whole list of like countries
Speaker 1: and like places that I want to go to, like
Speaker 1: interview people and make little videos, and Alaska is big
Speaker 1: on there, so I might be at some point.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. Man. I can't recommend it enough. You definitely should.
Speaker 3: I bet you could. I wonder if you could get
Speaker 3: enough people to I bet you probably could get enough
Speaker 3: people that if you did a show and anchorage and
Speaker 3: I bet that would be a really interesting one.
Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be fun. No, I've tried. I've tried to
Speaker 1: do I've been trying to do. I've been trying to
Speaker 1: do a live show and anchorage for for uh for years,
Speaker 1: Like I like two years ago, I was like emailing
Speaker 1: fucking bars to try to do a thing and anchorage it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll come together and I would like to. I
Speaker 1: would like to do it, because again I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm I don't know what's going on over there.
Speaker 1: I want to know what's going on.
Speaker 3: Your next one you're planning on is gonna be like
Speaker 3: your next tour will be in like twenty twenty six, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I've been kind of thinking about, uh yeah, what sort
Speaker 1: of the My my focus right now is I want
Speaker 1: to make I want to make more U two videos
Speaker 1: like uh, It's like I don't know, I've been I've
Speaker 1: been putting out these like fairly you know, I'm putting
Speaker 1: out like podcasts for years, and I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: to kind of step it up and make like more
Speaker 1: like intentional videos and shit. So I'm kind of more
Speaker 1: focused on that than like, uh, doing live shit. But
Speaker 1: I do I think yeah, next next, next year, at
Speaker 1: some point I'll go back to doing live shit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, right now, we'll make make yeah, make sure
Speaker 3: you put a stop in Albuquerque because I'll come when
Speaker 3: I'm living out there.
Speaker 4: So I happened yet.
Speaker 3: I know you went to Denver in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: but I missed out on that one.
Speaker 1: Denver Rocks shout out, Uh yeah, shout out Denver, shout
Speaker 1: out Albuquerque shout out.
Speaker 4: So there.
Speaker 1: I think there are actually a lot of lizards in Albuquerque.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to. I want to visit to explore
Speaker 3: the campus and stuff. And I actually saw on campus.
Speaker 3: That's pretty sweet.
Speaker 1: What is your name again? Fascinating, Casey, Casey. I'm glad
Speaker 1: we got to talk again. Case I'm glad, Yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got to talk about this Sissifus ship.
Speaker 1: It's still it's still kind of spooky to think about,
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, at some point I'll read back more
Speaker 1: into it. I like, I've been getting uh yeah, interested
Speaker 1: in Part of me wants to get more interested in philosophy,
Speaker 1: and then part of me is like, is like, because
Speaker 1: I think I think it does make you smarter to
Speaker 1: like read up on all this ship. But then also
Speaker 1: part of me is like, nah, let's just watch South
Speaker 1: Park and eat candy and uh, you know, just fucking
Speaker 1: just yeah, ignorance. Ignorance is bliss unknighily.
Speaker 3: So you know what, you know what's been helping me
Speaker 3: with my existential christ not not like full on, but
Speaker 3: you know, the every day you know, not me and
Speaker 3: you know, a torture of being a human being has
Speaker 3: been like entertaining my inner child I've gotten back into.
Speaker 3: So I haven't played video games in probably like eight years,
Speaker 3: just because I've been too busy, like since like you know,
Speaker 3: middle of high school on I just didn't really have
Speaker 3: as much time as I used to. And I started
Speaker 3: playing Pokemon games again and like after work after a
Speaker 3: really long shitty day of work, like it it has been.
Speaker 3: It has like been one of my cuist and like
Speaker 3: hair free access to serotonin I've had and since I
Speaker 3: can't even remember, like it's been absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I'm gonna I actually love this casey.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this from you because I've I feel
Speaker 1: like sometimes when I let myself play video games, I
Speaker 1: feel guilty, especially because well especially like because like you know,
Speaker 1: to dive back into existential bullshit like you know, being like, oh,
Speaker 1: i have such finite amount of time on the earth
Speaker 1: that I'm using it to play fucking video games. That
Speaker 1: may you know it makes you feel guilty, but I'm
Speaker 1: I love this for you. This is what a what
Speaker 1: beautiful framing you have introduced into my life. Casey, You're
Speaker 1: You're the You're the fucking therapy. Get go on this call, okay,
Speaker 1: because you you've introduced that's a beautiful framing. I like
Speaker 1: that I am connecting with my inner child when I
Speaker 1: am playing you know, uh Red the Redemption two or
Speaker 1: like playing on the Switch, because I because I've always
Speaker 1: grown up playing videos, loved video games, and and there
Speaker 1: is inherent that's an inherently productive thing to do to
Speaker 1: connect with your inner child. So I like that framing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal that from you. That's a good you.
Speaker 1: That was you therapy Gecko to me on that for sure.
Speaker 3: Like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that.
Speaker 3: I think, like one of the things that I've realized
Speaker 3: in the last few years is like, yes, it's important
Speaker 3: to you know, mature as a person in terms of like,
Speaker 3: you know, making the right decisions, being around the right people,
Speaker 3: and so on. But I think just because you know,
Speaker 3: we get older and we take on more responsibilities as
Speaker 3: a human as we grow, it doesn't it doesn't mean
Speaker 3: we have to, you know, solely just see ourselves as adults.
Speaker 3: It's very important to make sure that you still have
Speaker 3: that playful side of your nature because if if you
Speaker 3: lose that, like, how can you find enjoyment in anything?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Casey, is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me back on. I'm glad we got
Speaker 3: the part two. I'll leave with a fun fact. There
Speaker 3: are more numbers real numbers, so any type of like
Speaker 3: decimal number between zero and one than there are counting
Speaker 3: numbers going one, two, three up to infinity.
Speaker 1: So that means there are infinite numbers between one and ten.
Speaker 3: Between zero and one, or zero and one half or
Speaker 3: zero on points zero zero, zero, zero, zero one. Well,
Speaker 3: look up a video on it. It's called diagonalization.
Speaker 1: You know what. I would look up that video, but
Speaker 1: I think I've hit my quota on things that make
Speaker 1: me think about infinity and existentialism, So I'm gonna probably
Speaker 1: watch that video. Uh, I'm gonna probably watch a video
Speaker 1: about defective. I'm gonna probably watch a video about old
Speaker 1: school Nintendo candies instead of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Casey. You have a good rest of the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, youtuboe man. Good to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, man. Bye bye. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: that was a great well, that was a great episode.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I love it. I sometimes I sit down
Speaker 1: to do this pod and and you know, you just
Speaker 1: get you just get great calls. I'm this was this
Speaker 1: was a banger. I enjoyed this. This was a great podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm gonna try to remember everyone's name is Casey,
Speaker 1: Pizza and Olivia. How about that. I never remember fucking
Speaker 1: people's names. I mean, I don't think any of those
Speaker 1: are those people's real names. But three great calls, great pondering.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that was electric. I loved that. That was
Speaker 1: It made me feel good. I hope, I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed listening to this. This is a This was a
Speaker 1: fun podcast to do something.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have my ups and downs. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: uh candid. I have my ups and downs making this thing.
Speaker 4: Over.
Speaker 1: I mean over the past you know, five years of
Speaker 1: making it. But like, yeah, I don't know. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of times where I'm like, oh, that felt good,
Speaker 1: that was a good that was that was a good
Speaker 1: recession of recording. I enjoyed those conversations. I feel better
Speaker 1: as a person having had them. I hope that it
Speaker 1: felt worth it to you to listen to them or
Speaker 1: have them on in the background while you did something
Speaker 1: else and anything. Do I have anything else to say?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut up. I'm gonna shut up, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to walk with dignity into my inevitable caffeine crash
Speaker 1: that will be happening exactly twenty minutes from right now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk into it with dignity and acceptance that
Speaker 1: I brought it upon myself by drinking too much caffeine. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna yeah, whatever, I'll take a nap. Who cares?
Speaker 1: Who cares about anything. I'm gonna go take a shit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take a nap. Actually, I don't feel
Speaker 1: like taking a nap, but I will eventually. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: I hope this wasn't weird. I hope I didn't say
Speaker 1: anything weird or crazy over the past hour and a
Speaker 1: half or however long.
Speaker 3: This was.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna get off. I need to stop.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna stop. Okay, bye them repeat. Cat
Speaker 1: goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night.
Speaker 1: The repink goes doing his eye. He's teaching you to
Speaker 1: hout ever your life, but he's not really an expert.