WEBVTT - “MY FRIEND’S HUSBAND IS SUS”

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Welcome to the Therapy Gecko podcast. I am alive,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am here. And if you are conscious enough

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<v Speaker 1>to uh be listening to this right now, that means

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<v Speaker 1>you're alive, unless if you I wonder if anyone's ever

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<v Speaker 1>like been listening to the podcast and then it auto

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<v Speaker 1>plays a new episode, but they died while they were

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<v Speaker 1>listening to it, And and this is this is just

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<v Speaker 1>being my voice is being broadcasted into an empty room

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<v Speaker 1>with a dead person in it who died. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>dark thought, but it's not. I'm I don't. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel connected to the darkness in it in

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<v Speaker 1>this moment. I'm just exploring it as an idea. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on a lot of stimulants. I took some vibance,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great. I think I needed it. Do not recommend,

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't. Don't get it from the street, don't get

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<v Speaker 1>it from the silk road. But if there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>a dude who with a who went to school to

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<v Speaker 1>do stuff, and he tells you that you can have it,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's great. And I also have a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of celsius. Celsius is over the counter. You do not

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<v Speaker 1>need a doctor to obscribe you Celsius, although it should

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<v Speaker 1>be Celsius. Celsius should absolutely be. I love Celsius, I

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<v Speaker 1>endorse it, Celsius. If you're listening, I will gladly chill you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do it for free. Celsius should be a Schedule

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<v Speaker 1>two drug. What is marijuana? Marijuana is like Schedule one? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna look this up. Hold on, I'm gonna look

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<v Speaker 1>this up. This is going in the intro of the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Schedule one drugs. What are the Schedule one drugs? Okay, heroin, marijuana?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are heroin and marijuana on the same fucking thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the schedule two drugs? Okay? Schedule one drugs

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<v Speaker 1>are heroin, marijuana, cocaine, LSD, ecstasy, psilocybin. That's weird that

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<v Speaker 1>those are all in the same schedule. What's the Schedule

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<v Speaker 1>two drug What does the schedules even mean? Okay, Schedule

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<v Speaker 1>two is meth oxycotton, fentanyl. What's going on? Do I

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<v Speaker 1>dare even figure out what's going on on Schedule three?

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<v Speaker 1>Schedule three? Okay, these are drugs with moderate to low

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<v Speaker 1>potential for abuse and addiction. Wait a minute, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>if so, Schedule one is the most potential for addiction,

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<v Speaker 1>and then schedule two and then it goes down as

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<v Speaker 1>the number goes up. Wait, so what the fuck it?

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<v Speaker 1>Fentanyl is a Schedule two drug and marijuana is schedule one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fascinating. Although I guess I'm such an idiot. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting over here being like, what, marijuana is addictive and

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<v Speaker 1>I fucking smoke it every day? But yeah, celsius should

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<v Speaker 1>be at least scheduled. I'm gonna celsius should be at

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<v Speaker 1>least to schedule to substance. But it's great caffeine, it's nice,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets you going. I have a friend he's a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>and I ask I. I text him once a week

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<v Speaker 1>the same question. I have a friend who's a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>and once a week I text him the same question.

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<v Speaker 1>Once a week, I text my friend who's a doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Is celsius bad for you? Is it bad for me

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<v Speaker 1>to drink one every day? And once a week? He says,

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<v Speaker 1>He says the same thing. He says, you asked me

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<v Speaker 1>this last week, and the answer is it's probably fine,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't overdo it. But that's the question, is doing

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<v Speaker 1>it every day overdoing it? Don't get any medical don't

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<v Speaker 1>get any advice of any kind from this podcast. This

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is just this is a I am. I am

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<v Speaker 1>a man navigating the universe through talking to people and

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<v Speaker 1>drinking a lot of caffeine. And I am my own

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<v Speaker 1>little guinea pig boy just fucking slamming Celsius and white

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<v Speaker 1>Cheddar popcorn and frantically texting anyone who I think might

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<v Speaker 1>be an authority as to whether or not that will

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<v Speaker 1>kill me, while knowing deep in my gut that of

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<v Speaker 1>course it will. But I actually feel good right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel ready to talk to some people on the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's do that. Hello, Hi, what is your name?

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<v Speaker 1>What is your name?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go buy Olivia?

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia? What up, Olivia? How you doing today?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I need your advice. I have like

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<v Speaker 2>a crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Story for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll try. I'm I've been saying I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I've been saying this the whole time. I've been doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have very I have a narrow range of

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<v Speaker 1>things I actually feel as though unqualified to advise over.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll whatever this is, I can at least commit

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<v Speaker 1>to pondering it with you. It tell me what it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's like it's like not like I need an

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<v Speaker 2>expert opinion, it's definitely a pondering one because it's just

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<v Speaker 2>so odd. Okay, I think Okay, I went to my

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<v Speaker 2>friend's wedding this weekend, and I can explain the context

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<v Speaker 2>of why I think it's him. I went to my

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<v Speaker 2>friend's wedding this weekend. I left my wallet there. She

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<v Speaker 2>took it home for me. I think her new husband

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<v Speaker 2>took my credit my debit card information and tried to

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<v Speaker 2>add it to his Apple wallet.

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<v Speaker 1>What makes you think that?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I'll tell you first that like everyone swore up

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<v Speaker 2>and down, like she made sure my debit card got

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<v Speaker 2>home safe. I thought a notification like basically like the

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<v Speaker 2>next morning that someone added my debit card to their

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<v Speaker 2>Apple wallet. I checked her location. She was taking her

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<v Speaker 2>dogs for the daily walk, and it was like his

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<v Speaker 2>first time being home alone with the card. And then

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<v Speaker 2>like the context just is that like historically he's been

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<v Speaker 2>like really weird about money. He apparently has two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>K and credit card debt. Like I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>how you amass that number. There's like a gambling thing

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<v Speaker 2>going on. There's like a prison history, and like even

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<v Speaker 2>with her like like one time she had to stay

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<v Speaker 2>home from work for a week to take care of

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<v Speaker 2>his dog because his dog needed surgery, and so she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't able to make money that week, and so she

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, could you know we usually split the

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<v Speaker 2>chur like the bills fifty and this week, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>staying home to take care of your dog, could we

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<v Speaker 2>split it like seventy five twenty five? And he was

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<v Speaker 2>like absolutely not, Like that's not fair. I just feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, the whole thing is just it's

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<v Speaker 2>just been a lot. They got together after like nine

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<v Speaker 2>months of dating, and I've just always gotten a weird vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally like he's alone with my debit card

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<v Speaker 2>and it gets added to like someone's Apple wallet, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa Okay, so is so now are you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like I kind of want to be like, yo, hey

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<v Speaker 1>did your boyfriend do this? But that opens up a

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<v Speaker 1>can of worms of like how could you possibly accuse

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<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend of doing this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like her literal husband now like they just

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<v Speaker 2>got married, okay, like this is the groom?

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<v Speaker 1>Is your Okay? So all this shit you were telling

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<v Speaker 1>me about right, like your friend how ignorant? Is she

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<v Speaker 1>in the sense of like if you said this to her,

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<v Speaker 1>would she be like, how dare you accuse my husband?

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<v Speaker 1>Or which? Or on a scale of how dare you

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<v Speaker 1>accuse my husband to Yeah, that kind of sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>some shit he would do. Where where's she at?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like she's a five. That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we're out of five?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you really out of five?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I even told her like leading up to this, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think you should consider getting a prenup, like

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<v Speaker 2>he like they moved.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, they didn't get up. She didn't get a prenup.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she didn't get a prenup. And let me tell

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<v Speaker 2>you something like she inherited some like her house from

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<v Speaker 2>her grandmother, Like she lives in her grandmother's house. He

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<v Speaker 2>moved in with her a month after they started dating.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>By we're getting into territory that I don't know about.

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<v Speaker 1>But my understanding of a pre my understanding of how

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<v Speaker 1>marriage works is that, like I actually I'm curious about

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<v Speaker 1>this because I don't I don't I understand or how

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<v Speaker 1>marriage works is that like whatever assets you have before

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<v Speaker 1>you get married, you keep whether or not you have

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<v Speaker 1>a preno. But I don't know if that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's like that is what the prenup like creates.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I thought, like once you're married, everything's weard. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you get a prenup, it states like no, like

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<v Speaker 2>anything that I made before we got married is mine?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you inherit? I think that's the point of like,

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<v Speaker 1>like if they get divorced, do you can you can

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<v Speaker 1>inherit debts not not not not not inherent like you

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<v Speaker 1>can so like if so like like if she gets divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>does is he like all right in the divorce you

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<v Speaker 1>can have one hundred thousand dollars of my debt?

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<v Speaker 2>I like don't know because I'm like twenty five, but

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<v Speaker 2>like so is she?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>But like my understanding too is like like a prenup

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<v Speaker 2>can protect you from like medical debt or something like

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<v Speaker 2>like and I was I said to her, like, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>what if you got cancer all of a sudden and

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<v Speaker 2>then you passed away and then like he inherited, we

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<v Speaker 2>need to divorce a in the comments please, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to read the comments, I promise, But like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, and so I did I did what I

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<v Speaker 2>did do was I did call her and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>like my bank contacted me and said someone added my

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<v Speaker 2>debit card to their Apple wallet, and you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I and they asked me to explain why because

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<v Speaker 2>they want to contact law enforcement about this, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, did you see anything weird around my card?

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<v Speaker 2>She was like no, it was exactly where you had

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<v Speaker 2>left it, blah blah blah, like we had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like gotten ready in the same place. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, like they said, it happened at seven

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty in the morning, and she was like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>your card was alone with I'll just say Bob like

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<v Speaker 2>your no, like it was it was just Bob at

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<v Speaker 2>the house with your debit card. And she slowed down

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<v Speaker 2>for a second, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait this Okay, So there's like mounting like like evidence

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<v Speaker 1>she was out on the walk with the dog at

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<v Speaker 1>the time that the card was suspiciously added to Apple

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<v Speaker 1>pey correct, and she's a five on the scale of

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<v Speaker 1>how dare you too? Sounds like some shit he would do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>did you bring up did you say you did you

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<v Speaker 1>did you say to this did you say to your

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<v Speaker 1>friend like yo, he probably did this.

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<v Speaker 2>No, So like I'm like, like the route that I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of take with stuff like this is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>like I would never want like any one of my

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<v Speaker 2>friends to feel like they couldn't come to me about something,

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<v Speaker 2>God forbid they were in like an unsafe scenario, and

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<v Speaker 2>like none of my money ended up getting taken because

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<v Speaker 2>I blocked the transaction. So I just played stupid and

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<v Speaker 2>I said to her like, oh, then it must someone

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<v Speaker 2>must have written down my credit card information at a

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant and like just added it. At that same time,

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<v Speaker 2>like I gave her this, I was like, I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>tell my bank that someone wrote down my debit card

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<v Speaker 2>information and added it to their Apple. While at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'll just make up some story. I was like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I know he wouldn't do it, so I'll just say

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<v Speaker 2>this even though I think you would.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it, Yeah, well you wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know it that well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, well here's the thing is, well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the question is okay, well, okay, so you asked me

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<v Speaker 1>if I had advice, and I guess the thing is like, well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you supposed to do? Right, because like, well

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to like, what's the maybe, like, Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to like, what's like the problem here in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense of, like, all right, look you yeah you canceled

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<v Speaker 1>the card, right, yeah, so you're getting into you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>a new card shift, yes, okay, so that so you're

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of on that front. So that's not the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is the I'm trying to like, Okay, the

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<v Speaker 1>root problem is that your friend is dating this guy

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<v Speaker 1>who uh is is clear you know, does shit like this?

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<v Speaker 2>And you're concerned for your friend, yes, and even more so,

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<v Speaker 2>like she's now married to him, and we're like in

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<v Speaker 2>the annulment period and I'm like he just did the

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<v Speaker 2>crazy like and like so like I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>have this like like do I might have a very

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<v Speaker 2>critical piece of information that she might want to know?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also feel like I don't know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have evidence of it though, and I wouldn't want to, like,

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<v Speaker 2>while she's just married this man who could be totally

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<v Speaker 2>fine and maybe a changed guy since is past and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>How well do you like, Okay, this friend? How long

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<v Speaker 1>are you guys been friends for?

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<v Speaker 2>We've been friends for like three years, but we talk

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone very regularly, and I'd say, we're like

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<v Speaker 2>quite close, and.

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<v Speaker 1>She what's her deal with? What's the deal with her

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky? That they started they dated for like

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<v Speaker 1>nine months, so then got married.

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<v Speaker 2>They dated for nine months, got engaged, and then a

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<v Speaker 2>year later they got married. But like he gave her

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<v Speaker 2>a promise ring like two months in they got a

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<v Speaker 2>dog together, like a month into dating.

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<v Speaker 1>Well here's the thing, look the end. She also, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, I mean, yeah, go ahead, you go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>A month before she started dating, she had like years prior,

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<v Speaker 2>like hooked up with him once. And she said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>right before she started dating him, like she knew she

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<v Speaker 2>was going to see in that summer, she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to promise me you won't let me date him,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's bad news. You have to promise me, she

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<v Speaker 2>told you.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so she herself said, he's bad news. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to promise me that you won't let me date him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes and so, And part of that apparently was because

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<v Speaker 2>she thought he ghosted her or something. And so like

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<v Speaker 2>a month later I get a call. I two months later,

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<v Speaker 2>I talk to her on the phone because we're not

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<v Speaker 2>like constantly texting. We're more like phone people. And she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, he moved in with me and we got

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<v Speaker 2>a dog together. And so I straight up said, like,

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<v Speaker 2>is this not the guy who like you told me

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<v Speaker 2>to not let you date? Like he is this like

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<v Speaker 2>old prison cell number tattooed on him, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean? And like I also fully believe people can change,

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<v Speaker 2>but then like I don't know, also just like the

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<v Speaker 2>way he like treats her talks to sometimes, like I

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<v Speaker 2>have to take a little bit of issue with.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is like I mean, this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like when you like this issue, like when you boil

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<v Speaker 1>it down right, this is kind of a classic issue,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's this is like this is a very It's

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<v Speaker 1>a classic case of like my friend is dating somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who I know is like shitty for them, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>we're both adults and there's nothing I can really do

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<v Speaker 1>except be like yo, uh, well it's it's a tricky

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<v Speaker 1>subject in general, right because like you know, like we've

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<v Speaker 1>all we've all been we've all been in a situation

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<v Speaker 1>where like we have a friend, Like we have a

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<v Speaker 1>friend who's like dating somebody and we're like don't or

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<v Speaker 1>like they they'll say something to them and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't fucking know about that. But like in your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, we're both adults, Like what what am

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<v Speaker 1>I gonna do? You know, I can't not you. You

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<v Speaker 1>kind of as an adult, you have your own you

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<v Speaker 1>can decide to date, you know, whatever person you want

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<v Speaker 1>to fucking date. Although it's it's it's it is nice

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<v Speaker 1>to have. It is nice to have friends in people

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<v Speaker 1>in your core, you know. I you know, actually, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>rethinking actually a lot of the way that I think

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<v Speaker 1>about a situation like this, because I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>about it in like a hyper individualistic way, in like

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<v Speaker 1>a nothing you can do way, and there is a truth,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot there's a lot of truth to accepting

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<v Speaker 1>that there's nothing you can do.

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<v Speaker 3>But like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm thinking about in my I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about in my life, both because I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 1>been in a situation where like I've been like seeing

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<v Speaker 1>someone y dating somebody, and my friend is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about this person. And so I've also

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<v Speaker 1>experienced the opposite where like my friend is seeing someone

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<v Speaker 1>or dating someone and I'm like, yeah, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about this person from the perspective me personally in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>when I've been the friend of somebody dating someone where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't know about this person, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>in my gut always like I wish so badly I

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<v Speaker 1>could just go off, you know, I wish so bad,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish so bad that I could just go off.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also feel like I don't want to like

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<v Speaker 1>disrespect you, like I don't want to I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be like yo, this person is clearly a psychopath

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<v Speaker 1>and is clearly like abusive to you and clearly like whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, like I almost feel like I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>am I undermining my friend's intelligence or am I disrespecting

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<v Speaker 1>their Yeah? Like I guess, like disrespecting their intelligence to

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<v Speaker 1>make their own decisions. But I'll say this on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side, where I've like been, you know before in

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<v Speaker 1>my life seeing someone where my friends are like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking to someone where my friends are like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about this person. I appreciate it, I like,

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<v Speaker 1>because I have a deep love and respect for my

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<v Speaker 1>friends and the people close to me in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>and I I respect their opinions. I don't and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't take the opinions of them or the

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<v Speaker 1>opinion of anyone as like the word the God, the

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<v Speaker 1>Word of God and the Gospel as to how I

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<v Speaker 1>should make my decisions in my life. But I personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. That's just me. I appreciate I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know my good friends' opinions. I want to know

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<v Speaker 1>my good friend's opinions about my life decisions only because

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<v Speaker 1>they're my friends. Are people who's like intelligence I I

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<v Speaker 1>and I really respect. Yeah, not necessarily, I might. They

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<v Speaker 1>might say something to me and I'd be like, yeahy,

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably right, but I'm gonna go you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a classic right, You're like, yeah, you're probably right,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna just go do whatever the fuck I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna do anyway, you know, And that might happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So so so that's my ponder to you. As I was,

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to think about the situation from like

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<v Speaker 1>being on both sides of it. I don't have any advice,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's my ponder.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've received the ponder. And also like the way

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<v Speaker 2>you break it down too, Like it's helpful to be like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like what is the core problem? Like, what is the

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<v Speaker 2>main concern here? Yeah, that's the main you can tell

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going in ten different directions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's the main concern. Where like whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not I mean like you got your you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your your debit card's fine. This is mainly uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is This all boils down to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a classic issue. There's also a thing though, I

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<v Speaker 1>think here, okay, here's one thing though. Here, here is

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, and I think, like we all and again

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<v Speaker 1>I I this is something I feel like I've been

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides of and people can kind of relate to.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like all right, so like you know, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>like dating okay, like from okay, from both sides, Like

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<v Speaker 1>your friend constantly complains to you about their relationship at

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<v Speaker 1>a and you kind of talk it through with them.

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<v Speaker 1>At a certain point, you got to be like, yo, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't talk to me about this anymore because we've

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<v Speaker 1>done We've done this eighty thousand times. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if your friend is complaining to you about her.

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<v Speaker 3>Husband's she's not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually she's not at all. Okay, all right, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like a little protective of him almost sure, which

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<v Speaker 2>is why I give five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there's nothing you can It does all boil

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<v Speaker 1>down to there's nothing you can fucking do you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? True?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, just like how much do I want

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<v Speaker 2>to risk like the friendship in like expressing concern for her?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think there's an element of like I'm risking

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<v Speaker 2>my friendship for her when I us if and when

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<v Speaker 2>I express my concern because she might be offended that

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<v Speaker 2>I to accuse her new husband of something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, do I value our friendship more and

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<v Speaker 2>like continuing to maintain this connection and just being there

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<v Speaker 2>for her for like more of a safety concern or

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<v Speaker 2>am I like more immediately concerned right now and think

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<v Speaker 2>that this is the time I should say something.

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<v Speaker 3>Mmm.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just the thing to ponder.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it is a thing to put I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually I'm genuinely trying to think about that because

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a tough situation right there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess that one we look down to like

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<v Speaker 2>how deep is this? How deep is this one with

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<v Speaker 2>my debit card?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think look, I mean, look, if here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like if it helps you sleep better at night, to

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<v Speaker 1>just be like, h Yo, look homegirl, you told me

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you, I mean, I mean, fuck especially if this,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if she told you to tell her not to

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<v Speaker 1>she kind of get yo. She kind of gave you

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<v Speaker 1>a pass a little bit. She kind of gave you

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<v Speaker 1>a pass, and I think you can redeem it now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like she gave you a little cul. She gave you

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<v Speaker 1>a little you can talk shit about my boyfriend coupon

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<v Speaker 1>to hold on to, and I think you can. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's grandfathered into you can talk shit about

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<v Speaker 1>my husbands, and I think you I think it low

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<v Speaker 1>key sounds like she gave you a coupon you can redeem,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you can redeem that coupon and be like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>remember when you told me to tell you not to

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 1>date this guy? Okay, I kind of low Keith. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna lay out I'm gonna lay out the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that I have that he might have done this because

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<v Speaker 1>I have this information. I'm gonna lay out this information

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<v Speaker 1>to you and and what you choose to do with

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.359
<v Speaker 1>this information is up to you. But these are my

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.199
<v Speaker 1>personal conclusions about this information. You can form your own, uh,

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I have I have put myself out on the table

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<v Speaker 1>expressing concern as your friend. And that's it. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go to sleep. But here you go, take take this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you don't want to be You can't be

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<v Speaker 1>like fucking constantly, you know, pushing, but you can be

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm gonna throw I'm let me, let me just

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<v Speaker 1>let me just place this on the table, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just place this on the table.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that approach. Yeah, I like that because then

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<v Speaker 2>I could be like, hey, I like, I'm coming to

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<v Speaker 2>you as your friend. I'm expressing concern for you. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope this doesn't affect our friendship. I'm only saying this

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<v Speaker 2>because I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a that's a solid And by the way, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. If if your friend is like offended

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<v Speaker 1>by that and it makes her not want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you anymore, that's her thing. That's her like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's like that could totally happen, and then like a

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<v Speaker 1>year from now, they get divorced. He's stealing money from her.

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<v Speaker 1>She comes back to you table between the legs and goes, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. And then and then it's up to you

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not you want to be like you know, bitch,

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:25.959
<v Speaker 1>I told you so, or that's all right, we all

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 1>make mistakes, Like that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think that's a great point because at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, I'm like, OK, right, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if my gut healing is right, then at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, there's reality where we come back together,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Or you do, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you're describing the scenario I'm imagining now that

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<v Speaker 2>you say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, because if you throw it out there, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you throw it out there, yeah, Like I said,

0:25:55.600 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 1>your friend might get super defensive and like retreat in that.

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<v Speaker 1>That happens to people in like those kinds of relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if this person is truly your friend, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Like like if I had like yeah, like I like

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<v Speaker 1>if I like if I had a homie who like

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<v Speaker 1>I was telling that too, and they were like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica's amazing, She's never done anything bad. Whatever, And then

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<v Speaker 1>like a year later, I don't talk to them and

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 1>they come back and they're like, yeah, we you know,

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 1>she does this ship. I'd be like, sorry, you know, come,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the what did Jesus say? Jesus said something

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, you can't go Was it Jesus who said

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<v Speaker 1>you can't go too far without being able to come home?

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<v Speaker 1>That's some religious thing, do you know what? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I know what you're getting at. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know that's like Jesus's vibe, like the woman at the

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<v Speaker 2>well and everything, and like, yeah, the prodigal son. Yeah,

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 2>like the prodigal Son. That was that's that was a

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<v Speaker 2>teaching in church?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the way? Is that the story of the

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<v Speaker 1>prodigal Son. I've never read the Bible in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not Christian. I've never read the Bible of

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<v Speaker 1>my life, but I don't know. Lately I'm like, yo,

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>should I read the fucking it is that the prodigal son?

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on?

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<v Speaker 2>So the prodigal son is like, there's this family, like

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<v Speaker 2>one son goes off does his own thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, wait yes, oh sorry sorry sorry, Oh no,

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I just google it. No, this is the prodigal son.

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:25.199
<v Speaker 1>A young man squandered, a young man squanders his inheritance,

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<v Speaker 1>experienced hardship. Basically, all right, this kid fucks up a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of shit and does a bunch of stupid ship

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>and then he comes home with his tale between his

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 1>legs and he's welcomed back with open arms by his father.

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's it's like an allegory with you. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've become obsessed with God as an allegory for like

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<v Speaker 1>for like actual ship.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting though it's become it's lately become interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Catholic in like a chill way, like progressive, like hey,

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 2>like we should just be accepting of people and also

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<v Speaker 2>not use the Bible to like I don't know, condemn others,

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 2>like like I feel like in like it's a cool allegory.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's your friend. Your friend is the prodigal son,

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, going on basically get your friend. Your friend

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 1>is the prodigal son wandering through the woods, like meeting

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<v Speaker 1>with Swiper the fox from Dora, you know, and then

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 1>coming and then eventually she's like, oh, look, and then

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>she'll come back or or we're all or we're all

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and this guy is awesome and everything's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then and then you know what, hopefully we

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have to go prodigal son sniper no sliping

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<v Speaker 2>route in the first place, but yeah, hopefully hopefully everything

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 2>is fine and he's just like chill, reformed, super sweet guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, especially if your friends said that she's a five

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>on the skepticism scale, it sounds like she would be

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>receptive to this information, so you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, yeah, yeah, well I hope so too. This has

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<v Speaker 2>been so helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>To su down.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this has been a fun ponder. This has been

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>a fun ponder. I'm gonna re I think I'm gonna

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>rename the podcast. I'm gonna call it the Ponder Gecko,

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the gecko in the pond.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I feel like maybe I should feel like, oh,

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 2>like I need advice, but be like, yo, I need

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<v Speaker 2>to ponder something with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like a pond, I like punt. I'm not

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:41.479
<v Speaker 1>gonna rename I. I I have a journal from like

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>August of twenty twenty of me being like I need

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 1>to call I need to rename the podcast, and that

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>was five ish years ago. So I'm not gonna do

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that shit. I'm too I'm too baked into I'm too

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:58.719
<v Speaker 1>baked into the search engine optimization too. I'm locked in.

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<v Speaker 1>We're the therapy Gecko. But we're gonna ponder. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your name again? No, I don't think Gecko's going ponds.

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>All right, Gecko's going up, Jamie, Jamie, look that up

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>for me. Do geckos go in ponds? Oh wait, I forgot?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm alone? What's your name again?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going by Olivia tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia, Olivia? Olivia? Is there anything else you want to

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<v Speaker 1>say to the people of the computer before we go?

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<v Speaker 3>Gek bless you.

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<v Speaker 2>Alaska is a city, not of state. Great chatting with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a great day, you too, Great chatting with you too, Olivia.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, have a good one.

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Thank you too.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye, dude.

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, ever since I had an existential

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>crisis I've been.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna pretend like I read books. I don't.

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I never read books. I I I might be I

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>started reading a book. I started reading a book, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the best I usually get.

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<v Speaker 3>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I think just I think I have too much crazy

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 1>ADHD to read books. But I think my ADHD causes

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.239
<v Speaker 1>me to like I like I Usually I go on chat,

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>ChiPT and Wikipedia and Google, and I gather the main

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>ideas of various information. But I don't know why ever

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>since I had ever since I had an existential crisis.

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I've been like thinking about fucking God and shit. Uh again,

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>not in like a like a literal way, like like

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>like believing in like Catholic fucking God, but like the

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 1>story of the products like that. Yeah, like but like

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>shit like that. I'm like, oh, I understand why stories

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>like this have been passed on for forever because they're

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>just They're just fucking allegories. The hilarious thing I guess

0:31:54.160 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>about religion is people taking the allegories literally and using

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>it to say that, like you can't be gay or whatever. Yeah,

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know why I'm talking about this.

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>This is this is what bro this is what happens.

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 1>This is this is literally a side effect of vivance

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>is that you will start reading the Bible. They should

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 1>have that on the label of the fucking Celsius can

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>is that it is that you can't? Is that if

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you drink too much Celsius you start to think about Jesus?

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 1>It's too much? All right? What else? God? Okay, that's it,

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>all right, that's it. Let's move on. Let's take another call.

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I can't. I'm done. I'm let's take another call. Let's

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>do it okay, Hi, hey man, what's your name?

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 4>You can call me Pizza Pizza.

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Pizza house life, Dude.

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<v Speaker 4>I've had a crazy past couple of twelve hours. I've

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 4>had a real like adult a lot of adult shit

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 4>going on in like twelve hours. I gotta I got it.

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 4>I got a kiddy cat and I got home from

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 4>working all week. I was away from home for a week,

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 4>and my kitty cat was all messed up. I had

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 4>to take him to the emergency room and uh, they

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 4>had to put a what's it called. They charged me

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 4>eleven hundred dollars, dude, because he was he couldn't beee well,

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 4>man couldn't pee and uh, and so they drugged him up.

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 4>His name was perk thirty, by the way, I'll prow

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 4>that in there. And so they perked him up. They

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 4>sent him home on a ton of opioids. And I

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 4>wake up this morning and he wouldn't stand up, and

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 4>said to go take him to the vet. And now

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 4>they're charging me three grand to put a catheter in them.

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<v Speaker 4>Jesus Yeah, and they're telling me now that little man

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 4>might have to have his peepee cut off, so I

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 4>might have a transgender child in a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 3>Is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's like, there's such a thing as like pet insurance,

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>right do.

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 4>People get Apparently? So I've never I never thought about

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:31.479
<v Speaker 4>it until about twelve hours ago. And you know now

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 4>that I'm just like three thousand dollars less in my wallet,

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 4>I think that's probably a good idea of something to

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 4>invest into. Anybody who has a cat pay like five

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:42.839
<v Speaker 4>dollars a month.

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sorry, that was a very that was a very

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:51.720
<v Speaker 1>captain hindsight thing to say.

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 4>But no I was. I'm able to pay for it

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.800
<v Speaker 4>at least I make make decent money.

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 1>But cool, good, But yeah, I guess that's a I

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>guess this is a random cautionary tale to fucking get

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>pet insurance.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean they said that for most male cats

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 4>this is pretty common. And so they were cool at

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 4>the places rerecording me like five grand, so and I

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 4>got lucky going somewhere else and they only charged me

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:25.439
<v Speaker 4>at most three thousands. So if you got to yeah,

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 4>like I said, if you got a kiddie cat or

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 4>god forrid, you got two of them, you better want

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 4>you better want my ten grand and savings just for

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 4>him or something like that. I don't know.

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, aside from the money, how's the how's

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:37.839
<v Speaker 1>the fucking cat doing?

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 4>I literally just got home an hour ago. I was

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.760
<v Speaker 4>racing him to the hospital that was forty minutes away.

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 4>I just got following with the docs and he's waking

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 4>up from anesthesia and he's all he's doing pretty good

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 4>for the most part. They love his name. Everybody they

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.399
<v Speaker 4>loved his name too, so that was that's what it's

0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 4>all about.

0:35:58.040 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Really.

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:01.319
<v Speaker 4>But he's doing so so far, so.

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Good, pretty good, but pretty good.

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Well.

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>How's how's your life? Otherwise?

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 4>You know, life's life's pretty interesting. I'll I'll throw this

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 4>in there. I'm a crane operator, so it's kind of

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 4>unique and fun, but it does keep me away from

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 4>home quite a bit, so I have to like rely

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 4>on my roommates to, you know, take care of my cat.

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm like a I'm like a what's it called? You

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:35.359
<v Speaker 4>call it a I'm like a deadbeat father in a way,

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 4>but then I front the money when I have to.

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 4>But my life's going good. I'm working on a government

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 4>job that I can't talk about, so it's kind of

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 4>fun to say. I guess it's something too interesting. But

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:49.720
<v Speaker 4>just some sort of factory.

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you a dumb ask question?

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure?

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Are you good? Are you good at the crane game?

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 4>I dude, I just started, So I'm not that bad

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 4>for like I'm an apprentice, so like I'm learning, but

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty I just started actually like running the crane

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 4>for the first time, like after like a year and

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 4>a half of like learning how to build them and

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 4>operate them and uh, you know the technicalities behind everything. No,

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 4>I mean like I'm like, I'm actually not too bad you.

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean like like like like are you fucking it

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 1>up at the Chuck e Cheese? You know what I mean? Like,

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>are you are you drawing a crowd with the skills?

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Are you cleaning out all machine at the chuck e Cheese?

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 4>You could? You could say that sometimes it depends on

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 4>what I'm running. I mean, it depends on the crane.

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm running a little tiny crane right now, but a

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 4>couple of Like I've built several cranes, and probably the

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 4>coolest one is like I could say it's like a

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 4>luffer crane, but you would have no idea what I'm

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 4>talking about. Just a big cool crane and running one

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:52.879
<v Speaker 4>of those is pretty unique and expensive to build.

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 1>And the skill and the skills transfer into collecting the stuffed.

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 4>Animals and the stuff animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know? Are we on the are we? Is

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>there a disconnect in our conversation right now?

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Do you really?

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 4>I have no I have no idea what you're talking about.

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>You have no idea what I'm talking about.

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, I've got it together. Whoa, I've got figured out,

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 4>I've got I'm together now, I'm with you on this.

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 4>That ship is so rigged. It's all like I will,

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 4>I've used that. I try to use it on people

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 4>like hicks and stuff, and I'm like, oh yeah, like

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 4>I'll ring you the stuff in and I'm in a

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 4>bar and then it's all right, like you know, but

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 4>move a little bit this way or that way. And

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 4>I got like my crane operator hat on and and

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 4>then I just like a fool, So I can't really

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 4>use that one too much.

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Damn.

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 4>And I never win. I never win them. I can

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 4>shove this money as much money as I want in there,

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:45.720
<v Speaker 4>I'll never win them.

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 1>You hear that, folks? You can get crane operator. That's

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:53.959
<v Speaker 1>how rigged it is. You can get crane operator certified

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and you still can suck at the game.

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 4>It's it is true. It's I mean, it's all it's

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 4>it's all rigged. It's all just a big lie. So

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 4>but but yeah, it's been it's been a cool job.

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna be a programmer before I started doing this, so,

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was kind of a big jump from like,

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, sitting in an office desk to running cranes.

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 4>But I wouldn't ever turn back on it because I

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 4>don't see myself. I don't see it being taken over

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 4>by AI anytime soon, you know, things like that. And

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 4>also I've had to travel all around the state that

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 4>I live in. I'll just say I live in Michigan,

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.359
<v Speaker 4>and I also came to your show in Detroit. I

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 4>feel I feel like everybody. I feel like that Detroit show,

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 4>I feel like we did we did you a disservice.

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.360
<v Speaker 4>I feel like you you did such a good job there.

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:51.720
<v Speaker 4>I feel like we did you just like a diservice.

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 4>I feel like a lot of people left before that

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 4>rave last year. Did you ever hear a lot of

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 4>people with that RaSE?

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Are you taught? Hold on? I did two Detroit shows.

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I did one in twenty three at St. Andrews, and

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:04.800
<v Speaker 1>then I did one at the that that concert venue

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 1>that looked like a laser tag arena.

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what it was.

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 1>That you were at that one. Yeah, okay, you were

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>at that one. Yeah, that one was Uh that venue

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>was a fascinating place.

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 4>Why why would you say that because it was way

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 4>out Yeah.

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Well it was a very like old venue and it

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>was definitely it was clearly meant for like old school

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>like rock concerts. I had a great time. I thought

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 1>it was really cool. I thought it was cool to

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>uh do a place like that. But yeah, it was Uh. No,

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think people did uh to me at the service.

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people stayed for it was

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 1>a fun time. That was a that was cool. Yeah,

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>that was cool. Somebody else I.

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 4>Couldn't stay, so I couldn't. I couldn't stay, so I

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 4>wasn't sure. I thought. I thought there's a lot of

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 4>people left. So that's good to hear.

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Somebody, somebody actually who was at that show called into

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the podcast a few weeks ago or whatever and told

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 1>me that they saw me like standing outside in the

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>alley without my get go head on, like smoking my

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.320
<v Speaker 1>vape and it looked.

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.720
<v Speaker 4>Like, uh oh I remember I did? I do remember

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:09.320
<v Speaker 4>hearing about that?

0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was the same show. Yeah, okay, so Crane Operators.

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Wait so you think crane operation I've been thinking a

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:21.919
<v Speaker 1>lot about yeah, AI ship and like what's gonna still

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 1>be around and what's not Like I was watching a bro.

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen vo three?

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe explain it.

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>It's utterly dude, It's it's utterly insane. It's like completely insane.

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like Google's new like AI filmmaking tool, and it

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 1>makes no If you go on YouTube and you search

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 1>like Google VO three videos, you'll watch it and be like,

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>oh fuck, this is this is this is We're on

0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the I'm not inherently a doomer about all this. Somebody,

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:06.720
<v Speaker 1>somebody in the Spotify somebody in the Spotify comments called

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 1>me a doomer when it comes to a I'm not

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>a doomer. I'm actually I try my opinions about these

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 1>things are worthless because I don't know anything about computer science.

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:25.319
<v Speaker 1>These are just like, yeah, observations about like I don't

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>know humanity or just I guess, just me trying to

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>be optimistic. But anyway, I'm not a doomer. I'm not

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a doomer. I'm generally attempt I generally attempt to I

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 1>guess be optimistic about uh the future of shit. But yeah,

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:50.440
<v Speaker 1>no Vo three is crazy. But anyway, so crane people,

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 1>crane operators will not be replaced.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 4>You think, well, here's my thing. I'm this, I might

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 4>I might like implement a little bit of a doomer

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 4>on you here. But I thought I saw saying where

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 4>China they built like a whole I oh it was

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 4>a highway or a road or what it was, but

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.839
<v Speaker 4>it was all using AI. And it was like they

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 4>used no operators, like I'm talking like because because I'm

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 4>a I'm a union operator and I have the same

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 4>union as like the people who like run like the

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.880
<v Speaker 4>excavators and all like the equipment, and so they were

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:27.400
<v Speaker 4>doing that all with like AI. And then I'm sitting

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 4>here like, oh shit, because if we can't if I

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 4>can't do that, or if they're going to do AI

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:37.239
<v Speaker 4>with like equipment, then you know, what are they gonna

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 4>do here? You know what I mean? But the same

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 4>the cranes. Cranes are very they're very complicated, I think

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:48.359
<v Speaker 4>more than people would realize. It's all about like at

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 4>the same time like catching Like it's like it's like

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 4>literally like a having like a ball on a fishing pole,

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:54.879
<v Speaker 4>like you throw it around at swings. You's like we're

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 4>going to catch it and stuff, except for it's like

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, you're talking twenty thousand pound pieces or like

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 4>one hundred thousand pound pieces. But yeah, I don't know

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 4>how much. I'm just like I'm not. I'm I'm about

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm like optimistic if I'm a numer but I'm kind

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 4>of just like I'm just like put on my blinders

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 4>and just like going forward and just seeing what happens.

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>like I was so before I became, Before I I

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>truly stumbled and got lucky into like stumbling upon, you know,

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>doing this podcast and stuff. My my plan was that

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 1>I was going to start a business like making like

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>doing so making social media video for businesses like like law,

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>like local law firms and local dentists and ship like that.

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Like that was gonna be my plan was gonna try.

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>That was the business I was going to try to

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:07.439
<v Speaker 1>build out of college before like I stumbled into being

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>a gecko, and then once I saw the Google. Once

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I saw the Google VO three shit, I was like,

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.800
<v Speaker 1>oh no, if if if I had done that, I

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:26.320
<v Speaker 1>would be completely like all like commercial filmmaking or like

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 1>commercial video, like anytime you see like a prescription drug

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:33.439
<v Speaker 1>ad and there's like people running and frolicking or whatever,

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 1>like all that shit. I think all that shit is

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna be God. I was, yeah, I was thinking about that.

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I was like, damn, if I had started that business,

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I would be fucked.

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 4>I have a couple of friends who went in the

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 4>film school. I know you've talked about film school plenty

0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 4>of times, and they and they are not doing their

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 4>they can't find anything in their field. And I can't

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 4>imagine with you know, with all that AI stuff that

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:58.399
<v Speaker 4>you were just talking about with you said, VO three,

0:45:58.520 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 4>is that what.

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 3>It is called vo Yeah?

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. It's it's it's crazy, I think. And I

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>was talking to my friends like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna be anti Doomer for a second. I'm gonna be

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 1>antidomer because I because like when you look at VO three,

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh shit, this like basically it makes like

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 1>very like lifelike filmmaking. And you could look at it

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and be like, oh, this is going to have like

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 1>very negative implications on like the creation of art and that.

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I like, I think that like the the human spirit

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 1>of like creativity, I don't think will be impacted, like

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about like like like like you look

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 1>at the VO three ship and you're like, Okay, this

0:46:56.320 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>can generate the visual style of like south Park, Like

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 1>it could make a south It can make a South

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Park episode, right, but like, like what makes south Park

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 1>south Park is that like you know, Trey Parker and

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Matt Stone and the people that write the show, like

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>there is an inherent like brilliance and humanity and creativity

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>that and like whatever that is. I think we're probably

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 1>very far away from AI replacing that, you know, but

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I was I was watching right right, so like it

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 1>can like again, like you could, like you can go

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 1>into chat GPT and be like, write me an episode

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 1>of south Park. But it's not gonna it's not gonna

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 1>make the what the fucking thing is because you need

0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:56.360
<v Speaker 1>human creativity, and there will be a lot of like

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.360
<v Speaker 1>complete AI slop. There's gonna be a ton of it.

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Uh the completely yes, there already is. Yeah, yeah, but

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 1>there's still going to be things. I don't think that

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 1>like the human spirit of creativity and like people wanting

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to connect with the ideas that are being expressed and

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 1>created by humans is going away anytime soon. I just

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 1>think that like all the legit, like a lot of

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the logistics involved in expressing those ideas are going to

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:32.560
<v Speaker 1>get totally fucked up, you know.

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.080
<v Speaker 4>I feel like in a way too, like generational, Like

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 4>I feel like after maybe like maybe not people in

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 4>my generation, maybe people like down the line after like

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, TikTok or whatever comes next to or TikTok,

0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:49.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, like whatever would you know, whoever like comes

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 4>to people's minds or I should say that whatever you know?

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 4>Uh my god, what am I getting at here? I'm

0:48:59.160 --> 0:48:59.840
<v Speaker 4>going to doom around this?

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Now, go ahead. They expressed your truth.

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm trying to figure out trying to word it.

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 4>Like something's gonna like amplify like people like accepting like

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 4>AI to do everything for everybody, you know what I mean.

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 4>I feel like that's gonna be for sure, like in

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 4>in my opinion, down the line eventually. So I feel

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 4>like in a way, somebody somewhere or a group of

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.799
<v Speaker 4>people you would say or make so much money off

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 4>of it that they'll do whatever they can to you know,

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.719
<v Speaker 4>force that on the people. But who knows. I really

0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 4>don't know. I'm just a fucking construction worker. I'm kind

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 4>of a stupid ass.

0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 1>But no, I'm also also also kind of a stupid ass.

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Now, I have no.

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I really, I'm like, no, I've been watching because yeah,

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm I don't, I have no. I'm not a computer scientist.

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:51.360
<v Speaker 1>This is not like, uh, this is not like you know,

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the rambling these this podcast is not like I'm not

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 1>a computer scientist. These are just like, these are just

0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 1>observations that I'm having philosophic rambles. Yeah, these are just

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>philosophic rambles from just my own human experience and very literally,

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even going to say very little empirical knowledge.

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say zero empirical knowledge. But that's why

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:18.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm like I'm watching. I'll watch like Ted talks or

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 1>like I watched this video last night where this dude

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 1>was like breaking down the levels of AI and like

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.239
<v Speaker 1>if it is possible, I mean, this is like the

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:36.480
<v Speaker 1>classic thing of like is it possible for this ship

0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:43.720
<v Speaker 1>to gain consciousness? Because like, all right, my dad comes

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 1>in my mom and then that made an egg or whatever.

0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:48.879
<v Speaker 1>The I don't even I don't even know that shit works.

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Anything works. But somehow, somehow, my mom's egg and my

0:50:54.440 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 1>dad's come created within me consciousness as a human being.

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:06.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, is it possible for human beings two

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:12.879
<v Speaker 1>artificially recreate whatever was going on with my dad's come

0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to make me? And then if we argue that yes,

0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.120
<v Speaker 1>it is, I guess the idea is we create these

0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:24.799
<v Speaker 1>fucking robots who then become smarter than us that they

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:29.400
<v Speaker 1>figure out that they like study. They basically study, They

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:34.400
<v Speaker 1>very vigorously study my dad's come in a way and

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:40.480
<v Speaker 1>then figure out what inside my dad's come makes consciousness,

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:44.759
<v Speaker 1>so then they make it, and then they make conscious

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:50.360
<v Speaker 1>beings that are also immortal. Is how is how I

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 1>think this works. But it's it's definitely an oversimplification. That's

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:56.800
<v Speaker 1>why I'm curious with like actual No, I think I

0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:58.399
<v Speaker 1>think you hit the nail on the head there.

0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 4>I think that's pretty good.

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I don't know.

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if your dad's calm.

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but like what the fuck

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:11.360
<v Speaker 1>was I but I don't know if that's physically possible.

0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:14.880
<v Speaker 1>But also we do a lot of shit that, like,

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:18.480
<v Speaker 1>we do a lot of shit that, like in the

0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:22.360
<v Speaker 1>seventeen hundreds was like like the fact that you and

0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:26.479
<v Speaker 1>I could have this conversation over the phone, Yeah, would

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 1>be would be conceivably physically impoppus, the fact that we

0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:32.360
<v Speaker 1>fly airplanes. Like, there's a lot of shit that is

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:34.839
<v Speaker 1>conceivably impossible that we just fucking did.

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:39.400
<v Speaker 4>Like I was listening to what's it called, I listened

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 4>to a lot of Joe rogan be was from the

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 4>side here. It is kind of on topic. They were

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:47.560
<v Speaker 4>talking about how they were building a quantum computer and

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:50.479
<v Speaker 4>that it was and he was talking about this quantic

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 4>computer that was in a way somehow solving He explained

0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:58.719
<v Speaker 4>it to be something online. But but we got every

0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:02.359
<v Speaker 4>atom in the universe and put it together and into

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 4>a big computer and gave it this equation. The universe

0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 4>would blow up just like from overheating before it can

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:10.879
<v Speaker 4>solve it. But then this computer is solting this math

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 4>equation and they think it's like going into the multiverse,

0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 4>which sounds like super ridiculous and like sounds like like

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.719
<v Speaker 4>super Joe rogany of course, but like, yeah, that's so

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:24.120
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's not like he's not saying that, but

0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.600
<v Speaker 4>like that's what scientists are sending. They think that's that

0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 4>this computer that they're making is going into the multiverse.

0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:32.880
<v Speaker 1>You know. Can I tell you actually, you know, actually

0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 1>it's funny before you brought up Joe Rogan. Can I

0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 1>tell you a thought process I was having as we

0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>were having this conversation, Like, like, as I was talking

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.279
<v Speaker 1>this whole time, I was thinking in my head, I

0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 1>was like, because his whole his whole thing is like

0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm a dumb guy just exp like fucking saying a

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:54.279
<v Speaker 1>bunch of shit on a podcast. And I'm like, uh oh,

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:58.080
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, oh crap, I'm doing dumb guy right now.

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing dumb guys saying bunch of ship on a

0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:01.759
<v Speaker 1>podcast right now.

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:03.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. I'm not. I'm not having a

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm not. I'm like, oh fuck, am I am?

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I Is that bad to do dumb guy saying a

0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 1>bunch of shit on a podcast?

0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:23.279
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely not. I don't think so at all. I mean

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 4>I listened to you every day. I said I saw

0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean that would I don't know what that would

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 4>make me because I listened to you all the time,

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 4>so like.

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:34.400
<v Speaker 1>It would make us two I guess it would make

0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:38.760
<v Speaker 1>us two dumb guys just saying words and then listening

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to it's I guess it's a it's a man. See,

0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 1>this is why the computer. The computers are gonna not

0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:45.640
<v Speaker 1>even be dealing with any of this ship. They're gonna

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:48.080
<v Speaker 1>be doing crazy cool stuff.

0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying. And I just hope that they

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:53.320
<v Speaker 4>don't take over my crane job. I like doing the

0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 4>crane stuff.

0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, wait, this slug goes back to you. Didn't

0:54:56.800 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>you said that you don't think ay I is going

0:54:58.800 --> 0:54:59.600
<v Speaker 1>to take your frain job?

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 4>No, I said, I don't know. I suppose I started

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 4>from I was saying that Ai China was making uh

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:10.319
<v Speaker 4>equipment run on AI and build roads. Who I mean,

0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.440
<v Speaker 4>the roads could have been super shit, honestly, I don't know.

0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:14.320
<v Speaker 4>It could have been like a really shitty road, but

0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:16.839
<v Speaker 4>like it made a road, you know what I mean.

0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:23.799
<v Speaker 4>I never even thought about it like that. So yeah, yeah,

0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 4>are getting crans are getting very also technically advanced too,

0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:29.880
<v Speaker 4>to the point where they can like almost assist you

0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:31.960
<v Speaker 4>the whole time you're running it. Whether it's like the

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 4>old ones are kind of just like you push a

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 4>lever and that thing goes, or if you push it

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 4>so far it'll tip over. But I don't know things

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:44.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It's getting very like safety and technologically advanced.

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.440
<v Speaker 1>So I wonder sometimes, if you're listening to this podcast

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:50.440
<v Speaker 1>right now, don't don't get any of your information or

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 1>thoughts or ideas about AI from from me or this

0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:58.800
<v Speaker 1>caller or from Joe Rogan. Go find seriously, go like,

0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:02.279
<v Speaker 1>go find some like like uh, go find like some

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:05.840
<v Speaker 1>computer scientist, motherfucker, not like a not like a CEO

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 1>of a tech company. But go find some like computer

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:09.280
<v Speaker 1>scientist motherfucker.

0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:11.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know who.

0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Go find some computer scientist person who who made the stuff,

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Find some really boring computer scientist person and go listen

0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:27.600
<v Speaker 1>to them, and they'll start talking about stuff. I want

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to do more. I want to do more of that.

0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:31.840
<v Speaker 1>But again I'm too adhd. I'm too adhd, So I

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:33.400
<v Speaker 1>end up. You know what I ended up doing. I

0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:37.279
<v Speaker 1>end up going on chat GPT and being like I

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:39.359
<v Speaker 1>did I kind of I did the most hilarious thing

0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the other day. I went on chat GPT and I

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:46.439
<v Speaker 1>was talking to it and I was like, what safeguards

0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 1>are in place for like AI video so that you know,

0:56:55.600 --> 0:57:00.320
<v Speaker 1>people can't mistake it as uh as real. And I

0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:05.959
<v Speaker 1>I noticed the irony of like asking AI hey, so like, yeah,

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:13.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, you guys are gonna be cool, right, but yeah,

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:15.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what. I forget what it's it spit

0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:16.000
<v Speaker 1>back at me.

0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 3>It was like.

0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Something about how like Adobe, Well there's like clear, there's

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like legislation. I think that's happening, but it's uh, you know,

0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the technology and ship is progressing faster than it can be.

0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.080
<v Speaker 4>I think too, Like say, the same thing is, you

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 4>can do all the legislation you want, but it's still

0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:43.520
<v Speaker 4>like we get content from all around the world, you know,

0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:47.240
<v Speaker 4>so like what is legislation. Sure it's gonna do something,

0:57:47.320 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 4>but I mean, was it really gonna do if you

0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.240
<v Speaker 4>think about it, I don't know. That's the way. That's

0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:57.240
<v Speaker 4>what I think sometimes. But yeah, I don't listen to me.

0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:59.520
<v Speaker 4>I dropped that of I dropped out of computer programming

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.520
<v Speaker 4>in college two times, so like, I don't know fucking anything.

0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I have been having a lot of fun having this,

0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, two white guys doing mushrooms for the first time,

0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:11.520
<v Speaker 1>conversation with you.

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 4>It does feel like that.

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, I like I I I I guess it's

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 1>bleeding out into the podcast because I in my actual life,

0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I do enjoy uh. I think about this stuff. I

0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:30.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about it with my friends. It's been it's just

0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just been on my mind, especially after seeing the

0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the Vio ship. But I did want to I do

0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:47.640
<v Speaker 1>optimistically believe that like, like, uh, like, human people will

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 1>always still always like you know what is you know

0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 1>it is? Another thing is I think there will be

0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:58.560
<v Speaker 1>a there will probably be a large group of people

0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 1>who like go the opposite way. Like we're already like

0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing a movement. I think of people who like

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:09.360
<v Speaker 1>get clamshell phones and like delete their social media and

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 1>like people who are like going the other way.

0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:12.080
<v Speaker 3>And I.

0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Again, this is like I don't know if this is

0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:22.480
<v Speaker 1>like optimism or naivete, but I predict that that movement

0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:27.320
<v Speaker 1>will grow if people be like, you know, reject reject

0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:30.919
<v Speaker 1>modernity and fucking touch grass or whatever.

0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:34.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm laying in the grass right now in my backyard.

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 4>And I actually deleted Facebook and Instagram. I never had

0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:40.920
<v Speaker 4>I had to talk for a little bit. I deleted it.

0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 4>But I've Instagram was like my crack. I would always

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 4>go on it. But yeah, I deleted Instagram and Facebook

0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:50.080
<v Speaker 4>about like two months ago. And I feel like I

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:51.880
<v Speaker 4>remember you talking about some about this, like sitting on

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 4>the subway because you live in New York and you

0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:56.840
<v Speaker 4>said there and just like enjoy the moment. And that's

0:59:56.880 --> 0:59:59.120
<v Speaker 4>what I do. Like out of the vet today, I'm

0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:01.720
<v Speaker 4>sitting there and my phone. I'm just sitting there in

1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:05.360
<v Speaker 4>the moment, just like pondering and just like chilling, just

1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:07.040
<v Speaker 4>the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to clarify, just so we're on, just so everyone knows.

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<v Speaker 1>I do that about one out of every fifty times

1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I ride the subway. And it's so great because the

1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:23.320
<v Speaker 1>other forty nine times I'm on my phone on Instagram

1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:25.800
<v Speaker 1>like everybody else. But one out of every fifty times

1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I get to, you know, hold a pretend to read

1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:30.200
<v Speaker 1>a book and think I'm better than everyone else.

1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:31.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what's funny is I I do often

1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:39.120
<v Speaker 1>wonder because I do that, I've been like i'll, i'll,

1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:42.960
<v Speaker 1>i'll anytime I do like shut off my phone or

1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:45.160
<v Speaker 1>like read look at a book. I look up and

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I like you look and you like observe everyone being

1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 1>on their phone, and you observe like there's always at

1:00:50.120 --> 1:00:52.040
<v Speaker 1>least a couple of other people who are like not

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:54.480
<v Speaker 1>or they're like on on the books or whatever, and

1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I and I I want to I want to have

1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:02.040
<v Speaker 1>a moment. I I haven't had this moment yet, but

1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I want to have a moment where I catch somebody

1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:11.080
<v Speaker 1>else who's reading a book on the train looking up

1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:14.760
<v Speaker 1>doing what I'm doing, and I'm like, well, like we

1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:18.080
<v Speaker 1>lock eyes, and I'm like, are you also looking around

1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the train to have that moment where you're like everything, Yeah,

1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:24.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone's so addicted to their phones, but but not me.

1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm reading a book and I'm awesome.

1:01:26.560 --> 1:01:26.720
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, because that that that's not that's not an

1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:32.919
<v Speaker 1>original thought. And so I'm like, are the other people

1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:36.200
<v Speaker 1>reading the books on the train also having that thought?

1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>They for sure are. I mean I feel like I

1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:40.600
<v Speaker 4>do sometimes when I sit in like a waiting room

1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:43.120
<v Speaker 4>or somewhere and I'm not sitting on my phone. I mean, honestly, God,

1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:45.040
<v Speaker 4>I'll be so real. The only thing I do on

1:01:45.120 --> 1:01:47.480
<v Speaker 4>my phone right now is fucking play the Loatro. I'm

1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.520
<v Speaker 4>hooked to Balatro and I g awesome shot.

1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought Blatro's niggas. I thought Platro was like on

1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the Switch. I didn't know it was a phone game.

1:01:56.120 --> 1:02:00.080
<v Speaker 4>Dude, I'm a phone and I'm a computer. Yeah, so

1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:01.480
<v Speaker 4>if you played a lot and your switches on your

1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:05.320
<v Speaker 4>phone too, that's pretty cool. That game is the ship.

1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:13.400
<v Speaker 1>M hmm, what else? Is there anything else?

1:02:13.400 --> 1:02:15.800
<v Speaker 4>I don't know? Man, are you really?

1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I forgot? Oh wait, you're on the are you? Are

1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you really laying on the grass right now?

1:02:19.360 --> 1:02:21.640
<v Speaker 4>I just stood up? But yeah, I'm outside my backyard

1:02:21.720 --> 1:02:21.960
<v Speaker 4>right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn.

1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:26.959
<v Speaker 4>Usually I've I've had a pretty stressful morning, to be honest,

1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:28.680
<v Speaker 4>So I'm kind of just like staying out of my house.

1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:32.520
<v Speaker 4>So I thought my cat was gonna die. He still

1:02:32.600 --> 1:02:35.040
<v Speaker 4>might die. Sorry for the mood, but I don't know

1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:35.720
<v Speaker 4>if he will or not.

1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:39.040
<v Speaker 1>We started we talked about Ai too much. I forgot

1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:40.000
<v Speaker 1>about the cat thing.

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<v Speaker 4>That's okay, and that was that was like the banger

1:02:43.560 --> 1:02:46.840
<v Speaker 4>was Yeah, but he hopefully he pulled through per thories

1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:49.200
<v Speaker 4>and be all right. He's a sweet young man.

1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:51.080
<v Speaker 1>What is your name against sir?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Pizza.

1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Pizza, Pizza. This is this is a fun conversation.

1:02:59.320 --> 1:03:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I hope. I'm I hope it didn't sound like the

1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:05.360
<v Speaker 1>people listening. I hope it didn't sound like whatever crazy

1:03:06.320 --> 1:03:10.120
<v Speaker 1>person talk. But I I enjoyed. I enjoyed having it.

1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed having this conversation.

1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:14.840
<v Speaker 4>It maybe it made me forget about my morning. So

1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:16.640
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate you very much. I mean that you helped

1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:18.880
<v Speaker 4>me out the day when I'm running the cranes around

1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:22.320
<v Speaker 4>my equipment all the time, So I appreciate it.

1:03:22.840 --> 1:03:24.960
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, when you're running the crane, do you ever

1:03:25.160 --> 1:03:27.400
<v Speaker 1>do you ever have like intrusive thoughts of like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>I could just fuck up, I could like just just

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<v Speaker 1>car Yeah I'm sure, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, like I grind my teeth, I get so nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it that that's like a scary realization to like,

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<v Speaker 1>like everyone's human, and I think like intrusive thoughts are

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<v Speaker 1>like part of being a human. Like like when you

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<v Speaker 1>were in fourth grade, your and your teacher was like

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<v Speaker 1>writing maths on the board. They probably had one moment

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<v Speaker 1>where they were like, what if I pulled my pants

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<v Speaker 1>down and took a ship right now? What they probably

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<v Speaker 1>had they probably did, like if you like like like

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<v Speaker 1>like the older you, the older you get the more

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<v Speaker 1>you like look back on your childhood and you look

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<v Speaker 1>back on like like you're like like your your teachers

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<v Speaker 1>and parents and whatever, and you're like, oh, they were

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<v Speaker 1>they were humans just like me. They had all these

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<v Speaker 1>like thoughts and feelings that I have. And I'm yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh shit, does my dad am I ever

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<v Speaker 1>like at dinner with my dad and he's like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>what if I just punched my like when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a baby. Did my dad ever look at me and go,

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<v Speaker 1>what if I just took them and threw them on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh dude, for sure. Like I'll be up in the

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<v Speaker 4>cab sitting there and I'm like twelve feet above the

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<v Speaker 4>ground in a glass box. I'm like, what if I

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<v Speaker 4>just like start jerking off right now look at me?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they probably will. It'll probably be a show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, interesting, that's got it. Like I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's like a I don't think. I don't think in truth.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess like like severe intruth. I think you know

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<v Speaker 1>what this is all, this is all like pseudo whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>But like I think intrusive thoughts are probably like natural

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<v Speaker 1>to the human experience. And then like if you're mentally

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<v Speaker 1>ill to some degree, they just they just get way

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<v Speaker 1>worse and way more frequent.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I mean if

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<v Speaker 4>you're if you're a tower crane operator, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>like ship up there in a bucket and pissing a bottle.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm pretty sure you can jerk off if you're

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<v Speaker 4>in a tire crane. Nobody will see it anyway as

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<v Speaker 4>a tower crane operator or wants to be well, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what that's that's that's that's your experiment to undergo.

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<v Speaker 1>Should you should you feel, should you feel, did you

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<v Speaker 1>feel called to it?

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<v Speaker 4>I'll call you back and I'll let you know how

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<v Speaker 4>it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, please do pizza? Is there anything else you I

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<v Speaker 1>say the people of the computer before we.

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<v Speaker 4>Go, stay positive, treat others how you want to be treated,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's about it. I love you, Lyle. I'll talk

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<v Speaker 4>to you another another universe. Thank you, pizza crane jerking off.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you, hope, I you know, hopefully I'll look

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<v Speaker 1>up one day and I'll see a guy jerking off

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<v Speaker 1>in a tower crane and I'll and I'll shoot him

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<v Speaker 1>a smile.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Lyle, I'll see I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care pizza. Thank you man. All right, boy, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you guys have been enjoying this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Therapy Gecko Experience. Thus far from Casey. Hello, what's up,

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<v Speaker 1>Casey has life?

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<v Speaker 3>It's going good man. I was on the podcast probably

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<v Speaker 3>like a month and a half, a couple of months

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<v Speaker 3>ago at this point now about living on a fishing boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, you're the fucking Alaska guy. Yeah, oh fuck you? Okay, cool, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Actually this is sick. I'm glad we I'm actually glad

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<v Speaker 1>that you called back in because, uh, okay, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give some context real quick. Is that you called in,

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<v Speaker 1>uh to the podcast fucking I don't remember how long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, maybe like a month ago to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>your experience going insane on Alaskan fishing boats. And I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk more about it with you, but you

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<v Speaker 1>had to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was on my lunch breakout work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, So actually, you know what is you

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<v Speaker 1>know what's funny is, after the last call I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do I wanted to end with something simple, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to do that. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that because it's actually an actually it's perfect that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to you for a few reasons, is okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've been saying, I don't I'm not. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>read any books. I've only frantically researched things on Wikipedia.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've been doing I'm doing the same thing I

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<v Speaker 1>did in high school, which like, in high school, I

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<v Speaker 1>never read any fucking books. I just spark noted and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm doing that. I'm doing that again, except I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing it to actually learn instead of to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with the purpose of learning, instead of cheesing through school.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, so I'm doing the same thing I did

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<v Speaker 1>in high school, except I'm actually like, oh, this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we talked last, you talked about the myth

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<v Speaker 1>of Sisyphis, and you're talking about the myth of Sisyphus.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I think since we last talked, yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about like how like I went through a big,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad existential crisis. I don't know if it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's only been for the last ten days. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been feeling pretty stable and great. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>one Okay, so I had one night I had I

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<v Speaker 1>had a horrible, horrible night. Uh, maybe this is less

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<v Speaker 1>than a month ago. It was like three weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks ago. Whatever I took. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out the proper, my proper dosage of vivance, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I started on I started on thirty milligrams of vibance.

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<v Speaker 3>And.

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was awake for an entire night researching

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<v Speaker 1>existentialism and just like having a having like a full

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<v Speaker 1>on like insomnia, like panic about existentialism. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching this video about uh Camu, you know Camu and

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<v Speaker 1>his whole and his whole thing is that it's his

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing. Is one must imagine Sisyphis happy as happy

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<v Speaker 1>as happy, and I was, and I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get into it, and I was like, and I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>accept it. I was like, what the funk? What are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about? That's insane?

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<v Speaker 3>That?

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<v Speaker 1>How is that? How can that apply to everyone? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, anyway, so for okay, So for people who

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the myth, and you you actually read the book,

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<v Speaker 1>I just read the spark notes, so correct me on this.

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<v Speaker 1>But the the myth of Sisyphis is basically this fucking dude, Sisyphis.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna open I'm gonna oversimplify all this. This dude

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<v Speaker 1>Sisyphis like does some ship to mess with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of gods, so the gods condemn him to an eternity

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<v Speaker 1>of rolling a boulder up a hill, up the hill,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the.

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<v Speaker 3>Boulder he'll he'll get it right up to the top

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<v Speaker 3>and it'll go back down again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he'll get it right up to the top and

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<v Speaker 1>he'll go back down again. And is he condemned to

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<v Speaker 1>do this for eternity? Is he is sipus mortal? Or

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<v Speaker 1>does he? Or is he immortal?

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's mortal, but like his punishment gives him immortality

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<v Speaker 3>because he's stuck there for eternity.

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<v Speaker 1>He's wit. Really he does that for eternity?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's the uh. The idea of

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<v Speaker 3>the myth is that he like he's free once he

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<v Speaker 3>can get the boulder up the hill, but he never

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<v Speaker 3>gets it up the hill, so.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't even do it today. He's still so okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So in the myth he's he's so in the myth

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<v Speaker 1>he's immortal. So he actually is doing this for eternity.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't like do it until he's eighty and dies,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he can just be dead.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's he's he's immortal in the sense that at

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<v Speaker 3>least I'm pretty sure. It's been a really long times

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<v Speaker 3>since I've read the book, and I'm not super like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't have a bunch of knowledge on

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<v Speaker 3>Greek myths. But from what I understand or from what

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<v Speaker 3>I remember, is that he betrays the gods as a

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<v Speaker 3>mortal man, but he essentially through his punishment where he

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<v Speaker 3>rolls a boulder up a hill for eternity, he is

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<v Speaker 3>immortal in his punishment, but he is a mortal man

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<v Speaker 3>before he betrays the gods.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, so okay, he's a mortal man, betrays the gods,

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<v Speaker 1>and do the gods turn him immortal basically.

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<v Speaker 3>With the punishment. Yeah, I mean, it's it's not that

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<v Speaker 3>like he's immortal in a way that he's like omniscient, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>the way like a god is, but like he's immortal

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<v Speaker 3>in the fact that he lives forever just because he's

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<v Speaker 3>rolling a boulder up a hill forever and that's all

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<v Speaker 3>he does and that's his punishment. That's it's like going

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<v Speaker 3>to Hell forever, except he's just stuck in the doldrums.

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<v Speaker 1>So so in in a little bit of my eccidential crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, like, all right, so death can be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of spooky, but the op but like eternity is

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<v Speaker 1>also kind of spooky, and it's like and so, but

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<v Speaker 1>and so, how do you reconcile with that? And so

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<v Speaker 1>the idea is like, all right, you get this guy

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<v Speaker 1>Sissyphis is rolling the boulder up a hill, and this

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<v Speaker 1>guy Albert Camu is a philosopher. Yeah, I was up.

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was tweaking on vibe Ance at three

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning, watching a YouTube video about Albert

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<v Speaker 1>Camu talking about absurdism, which is the idea that Sisyphis

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<v Speaker 1>trapped in this eternal hell of rolling the boulder up

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<v Speaker 1>the hill, only for it to fall down again, which

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could consider is like, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>could consider that as an allegory for like a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of shit. And yet he and yet Camu's thing is

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<v Speaker 1>one must imagine Sisyphis is happy and actually, honestly, right now,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm like recounting all of this, I'm like, Camu,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck are you talking about? That sounds like hell,

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<v Speaker 1>how the fuck is he supposed to be happy? But

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<v Speaker 1>you seem like when I talked to you that you

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot out of it, and that resonate with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I ask you, what, what do you what is

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<v Speaker 1>your interpretation of that? Why do you think that Sisyphis

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<v Speaker 1>should be happy with his eternal punishments.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't really thought about it in a while, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna riff riff. But in the myths of Sispus,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the central ideas is that like the only

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<v Speaker 3>true choice that that we have, or one of them,

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<v Speaker 3>not like true choice, but like the ultimate power that

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<v Speaker 3>humanity has over himself that they can control. Is the

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<v Speaker 3>concept of suicide, is that we can kill ourselves. And

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<v Speaker 3>he claims it's these are not the words that he uses,

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<v Speaker 3>but he says this is it's like the ultimate philosophical leap,

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<v Speaker 3>or like a philosophical.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, or like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's like one of the brave like in a way,

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<v Speaker 3>not like brave in the traditional sense, but one of

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<v Speaker 3>the bravest things that we can do. And which is

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<v Speaker 3>why you know, it's it's a part of our consciousness

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<v Speaker 3>that we can we have the choice to think about that,

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<v Speaker 3>and we can not not necessarily the choice, but like

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's an option for humans, right M And I think,

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<v Speaker 3>should we not choose to make that act, then we

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<v Speaker 3>need to find a way to reconcile with what we

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<v Speaker 3>have in the present. But there's always that nagging option

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<v Speaker 3>or thought in the back of one's head. And with Sisyphis,

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't have that option. He's doing that forever. He

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<v Speaker 3>can't he can't just kill himself to stop rolling the

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<v Speaker 3>boulder up the hill. So if he if he is

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<v Speaker 3>stuck there for eternity, and if we choose not to

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<v Speaker 3>do the if we choose not to commit suicide, which

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<v Speaker 3>is our only way out besides the natural course of death,

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<v Speaker 3>then we have to envision ourselves like we can compare

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves in a way to Ciscis in our everyday lives.

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<v Speaker 3>But we have like in order to reconcile with that idea.

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<v Speaker 3>We we can't just see Sisyphus as you know, a whining, bitching, complainer,

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<v Speaker 3>because then we would be, you know, condemned to misery

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<v Speaker 3>for our entire lives. So we have to envision him

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<v Speaker 3>as happy despite the absurd circumstances that he's in. We

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<v Speaker 3>we are thrown into this world without a choice, and

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<v Speaker 3>we were we we deal with a lot of things

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<v Speaker 3>that make absolutely zero sense. You know, things don't turn

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<v Speaker 3>out the way it could.

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<v Speaker 4>So so we we have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Find a mentality or perspective that can elevate us through that,

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<v Speaker 3>so we can find you know, the humor and the

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<v Speaker 3>joy in existence.

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<v Speaker 1>But is one of like the like the philosophy of

1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:27.599
<v Speaker 1>absurdism is is anti suicide? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Well when he's not when he's talking about that,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not saying that it's a good thing, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>he's he sees it as like a kind of transcend

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<v Speaker 3>transcendental idea, a unique facet of human existence that has

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<v Speaker 3>a huge you know, has huge implications on our existence.

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<v Speaker 1>He was, he again, this is all just I have

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<v Speaker 1>I you know what, you know what I was in

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<v Speaker 1>a I was I was in a books I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to read. He has this book what the Stranger or

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<v Speaker 1>some ship? Okay, all right, so here's the thing I wanted. Okay,

1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:19.719
<v Speaker 1>So I was in a I was, I was home.

1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I was I was home in in uh. I was

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<v Speaker 1>home in Maryland with my family, and I was really

1:19:27.800 --> 1:19:31.280
<v Speaker 1>going through the like existential ship and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to read it, but I was like, I

1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:41.760
<v Speaker 1>think I'm too. Uh, I don't think I'm healthy enough

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<v Speaker 1>to read. I don't want to read this right now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like so because I was like, yeah, I

1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:49.479
<v Speaker 1>was like in a bookstore, like having a fucking like

1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:51.640
<v Speaker 1>panic attack, and I was like, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>read this right now, but I might go. But once

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<v Speaker 1>I start feeling like like like I'm actually in the past. Yeah,

1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the past like ten days for me have felt pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would I'd like to go back and read

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<v Speaker 1>it and approach it from like a more objective point

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<v Speaker 1>of view where I'm not like so deeply sucked into

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<v Speaker 1>it in like a weird unhealthy way, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so where you're not like where you're not as

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<v Speaker 3>intimately connecting with it in terms of your life at

1:20:25.000 --> 1:20:27.720
<v Speaker 3>that moment, but you're able to take sort of a

1:20:27.800 --> 1:20:29.320
<v Speaker 3>bird's eye view at it, right.

1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, so I might. I might. I might pick

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<v Speaker 1>that shit up at some point.

1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The strangers, right, can't recommend it enough?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>I also want I'm sure the YouTube comments will that

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<v Speaker 3>that is my It's been five four years since I've

1:20:47.520 --> 1:20:52.000
<v Speaker 3>read that, and I have not really explored philosophy for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years now, so I'm almost positive that

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<v Speaker 3>that's wrong. But that's kind of how I've been looking

1:21:00.800 --> 1:21:08.200
<v Speaker 3>at absurdism recently, at least through Como's lens. Yeah yeah,

1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:12.639
<v Speaker 3>people will correct, man, We'll have some interesting YouTube comments

1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:13.000
<v Speaker 3>to read.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh, I love reading the YouTube comments. You know

1:21:17.520 --> 1:21:21.320
<v Speaker 1>what bothered me is the fucking the the YouTube comments

1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:26.760
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. Not that I I honestly shouldn't read

1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the YouTube comments because I don't know if they I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if reading YouTube comment I don't know if

1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if reading YouTube comments provides me with

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<v Speaker 1>any value or is Like I mean, I like, I

1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:41.120
<v Speaker 1>enjoy it. I like, you know, I think if you

1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:43.040
<v Speaker 1>make something and put it on the internet, whether it's

1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:46.240
<v Speaker 1>a podcast or a photo or whatever, you want to

1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:50.400
<v Speaker 1>see that people actually listened to or whatever. But like

1:21:50.439 --> 1:21:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I was, I was kind of bummed out by the

1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I post the most recent podcast, the one where I

1:21:58.040 --> 1:22:01.160
<v Speaker 1>talk to the lady who is polyamorous. Like people just

1:22:01.720 --> 1:22:04.479
<v Speaker 1>I opened, I opened to the YouTube comments and somebody

1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:08.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, I am also disgusted by your polyamorous lifestyle.

1:22:08.680 --> 1:22:10.560
<v Speaker 1>And I literally put my phone down and I was like,

1:22:10.760 --> 1:22:14.640
<v Speaker 1>people are so fucking like this person did not remotely

1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:19.400
<v Speaker 1>understand what the fucking thing that we were talking about

1:22:19.439 --> 1:22:22.800
<v Speaker 1>in the podcast, Like was that bothered me the way?

1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:29.920
<v Speaker 1>But you also but you can't uh, I don't know,

1:22:30.040 --> 1:22:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you can't be mad at that shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, I mean people are always gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>look for the tiniest thing that might only be distantly

1:22:41.479 --> 1:22:44.120
<v Speaker 3>related to an entire conversation that you'll have on here,

1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:46.800
<v Speaker 3>and they're gonna latch their own biases to it and

1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:49.240
<v Speaker 3>get up thet about it. So yeah, that's their problem,

1:22:49.360 --> 1:22:49.920
<v Speaker 3>not yours.

1:22:50.280 --> 1:22:54.439
<v Speaker 1>No, I've gotten better at like when I read that

1:22:54.600 --> 1:22:57.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff just like I find it funny. I mean that

1:22:58.000 --> 1:23:03.160
<v Speaker 1>was frustrated. I was like a little bit frustrated at like, oh,

1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:07.760
<v Speaker 1>this person is not understood. This person is like not

1:23:09.040 --> 1:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>getting what I think we're trying to put out. But like, uh,

1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:21.240
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of stuff where But then I'll read

1:23:21.280 --> 1:23:23.080
<v Speaker 1>something where it's like you're fat and gay, and I'm like,

1:23:23.120 --> 1:23:28.479
<v Speaker 1>all right, you know that's that's fair, That's that's fair. Anyway.

1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Are you feeling less insane? Are you feeling where you

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<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about do you feel good?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? I thinks we're pretty crazy right now. But there's

1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:54.640
<v Speaker 3>been huge ups and huge downs. The huge up, I

1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:56.360
<v Speaker 3>don't know if this had happened. I don't think I

1:23:56.760 --> 1:23:58.719
<v Speaker 3>got the chance to tell you last time we talked,

1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:03.719
<v Speaker 3>but I got it into a mathematics PhD program.

1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, Okay, I remember this

1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:11.640
<v Speaker 1>conversation because you were red this conversation because you, uh,

1:24:12.520 --> 1:24:15.200
<v Speaker 1>your passion was math and I and I was like,

1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:18.160
<v Speaker 1>you got you got really lucky that your passion is math,

1:24:19.120 --> 1:24:25.519
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, like that's an applicable, you know thing that's

1:24:25.520 --> 1:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>an easier passion to pursue than a lot of other

1:24:27.720 --> 1:24:31.080
<v Speaker 1>people's passions are harder. Although I kind of actually actually

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, I take that back. I don't want to

1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>say easy to pursue. Maybe, like you know, there's I

1:24:37.040 --> 1:24:39.640
<v Speaker 1>guess a I mean, I don't know you would know

1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:41.519
<v Speaker 1>this more than I would. But like a linear path

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<v Speaker 1>if one chooses to pursue a career in mathematics as

1:24:45.280 --> 1:24:48.160
<v Speaker 1>opposed to like streaming Fortnite.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's I mean, the the biggest issue is that

1:24:53.720 --> 1:24:55.880
<v Speaker 3>just acade, Like I want to be a professor, and

1:24:56.000 --> 1:25:00.360
<v Speaker 3>academia is just insanely competitive. Right now, there's a lot

1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:03.360
<v Speaker 3>more PhDs being churned out than there are, you know,

1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:07.240
<v Speaker 3>teaching jobs. But I'm I'm I'm just taking it as

1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:09.800
<v Speaker 3>I go. Really, I just want to go back to school.

1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:10.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm tired of working.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool. Are you You're not still fishing?

1:25:13.760 --> 1:25:14.000
<v Speaker 4>Are you.

1:25:15.560 --> 1:25:17.920
<v Speaker 3>No? That that was That was a one time thing.

1:25:18.760 --> 1:25:21.120
<v Speaker 3>I'll do it again. I would like to do it

1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:24.400
<v Speaker 3>again at some point, but I'm not at that stage

1:25:24.439 --> 1:25:29.759
<v Speaker 3>of my life right now that that'll be an after

1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:34.800
<v Speaker 3>a big maybe, like an after a big accomplishment, like

1:25:34.840 --> 1:25:37.880
<v Speaker 3>if I made it, if I completed a PhD or

1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:40.920
<v Speaker 3>something like that, and I wanted to go find myself

1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:43.040
<v Speaker 3>for the next stage of my life.

1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:50.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, Alaska is is high up on my I

1:25:50.479 --> 1:25:52.480
<v Speaker 1>have a I have a whole list of like countries

1:25:52.600 --> 1:25:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and like places that I want to go to, like

1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:59.320
<v Speaker 1>interview people and make little videos, and Alaska is big

1:25:59.439 --> 1:26:02.559
<v Speaker 1>on there, so I might be at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>It's beautiful. Man. I can't recommend it enough. You definitely should.

1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:09.280
<v Speaker 3>I bet you could. I wonder if you could get

1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:13.320
<v Speaker 3>enough people to I bet you probably could get enough

1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:15.280
<v Speaker 3>people that if you did a show and anchorage and

1:26:15.360 --> 1:26:17.120
<v Speaker 3>I bet that would be a really interesting one.

1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that'd be fun. No, I've tried. I've tried to

1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:21.160
<v Speaker 1>do I've been trying to do. I've been trying to

1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:24.679
<v Speaker 1>do a live show and anchorage for for uh for years,

1:26:25.360 --> 1:26:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Like I like two years ago, I was like emailing

1:26:28.120 --> 1:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>fucking bars to try to do a thing and anchorage it.

1:26:32.120 --> 1:26:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it'll come together and I would like to. I

1:26:33.800 --> 1:26:35.720
<v Speaker 1>would like to do it, because again I don't know

1:26:35.800 --> 1:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>what I'm I don't know what's going on over there.

1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to know what's going on.

1:26:40.280 --> 1:26:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Your next one you're planning on is gonna be like

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<v Speaker 3>your next tour will be in like twenty twenty six, right.

1:26:46.400 --> 1:26:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so.

1:26:48.840 --> 1:26:49.680
<v Speaker 4>I was.

1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:53.519
<v Speaker 1>I've been kind of thinking about, uh yeah, what sort

1:26:53.560 --> 1:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of the My my focus right now is I want

1:26:57.880 --> 1:27:00.799
<v Speaker 1>to make I want to make more U two videos

1:27:01.320 --> 1:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>like uh, It's like I don't know, I've been I've

1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:09.880
<v Speaker 1>been putting out these like fairly you know, I'm putting

1:27:09.880 --> 1:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>out like podcasts for years, and I'm like, I want

1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>to kind of step it up and make like more

1:27:14.479 --> 1:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>like intentional videos and shit. So I'm kind of more

1:27:18.760 --> 1:27:22.800
<v Speaker 1>focused on that than like, uh, doing live shit. But

1:27:22.920 --> 1:27:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I do I think yeah, next next, next year, at

1:27:25.880 --> 1:27:28.880
<v Speaker 1>some point I'll go back to doing live shit.

1:27:29.040 --> 1:27:32.720
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, right now, we'll make make yeah, make sure

1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:35.280
<v Speaker 3>you put a stop in Albuquerque because I'll come when

1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:36.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm living out there.

1:27:36.479 --> 1:27:37.200
<v Speaker 4>So I happened yet.

1:27:37.240 --> 1:27:39.479
<v Speaker 3>I know you went to Denver in twenty twenty four,

1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:41.040
<v Speaker 3>but I missed out on that one.

1:27:41.760 --> 1:27:45.639
<v Speaker 1>Denver Rocks shout out, Uh yeah, shout out Denver, shout

1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>out Albuquerque shout out.

1:27:49.920 --> 1:27:50.200
<v Speaker 4>So there.

1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I think there are actually a lot of lizards in Albuquerque.

1:27:55.360 --> 1:27:58.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to. I want to visit to explore

1:27:58.200 --> 1:28:00.639
<v Speaker 3>the campus and stuff. And I actually saw on campus.

1:28:02.120 --> 1:28:02.800
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty sweet.

1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:08.679
<v Speaker 1>What is your name again? Fascinating, Casey, Casey. I'm glad

1:28:08.680 --> 1:28:12.120
<v Speaker 1>we got to talk again. Case I'm glad, Yeah, because yeah,

1:28:12.160 --> 1:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we got to talk about this Sissifus ship.

1:28:14.560 --> 1:28:16.400
<v Speaker 1>It's still it's still kind of spooky to think about,

1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>but uh yeah, at some point I'll read back more

1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:22.639
<v Speaker 1>into it. I like, I've been getting uh yeah, interested

1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>in Part of me wants to get more interested in philosophy,

1:28:26.320 --> 1:28:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and then part of me is like, is like, because

1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I think it does make you smarter to

1:28:32.760 --> 1:28:34.479
<v Speaker 1>like read up on all this ship. But then also

1:28:34.520 --> 1:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>part of me is like, nah, let's just watch South

1:28:38.160 --> 1:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Park and eat candy and uh, you know, just fucking

1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>just yeah, ignorance. Ignorance is bliss unknighily.

1:28:48.479 --> 1:28:52.280
<v Speaker 3>So you know what, you know what's been helping me

1:28:52.439 --> 1:28:55.760
<v Speaker 3>with my existential christ not not like full on, but

1:28:55.920 --> 1:29:00.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, the every day you know, not me and

1:29:01.880 --> 1:29:09.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, a torture of being a human being has

1:29:09.280 --> 1:29:18.000
<v Speaker 3>been like entertaining my inner child I've gotten back into.

1:29:18.600 --> 1:29:21.759
<v Speaker 3>So I haven't played video games in probably like eight years,

1:29:22.240 --> 1:29:27.120
<v Speaker 3>just because I've been too busy, like since like you know,

1:29:27.560 --> 1:29:30.120
<v Speaker 3>middle of high school on I just didn't really have

1:29:30.200 --> 1:29:35.360
<v Speaker 3>as much time as I used to. And I started

1:29:35.400 --> 1:29:41.680
<v Speaker 3>playing Pokemon games again and like after work after a

1:29:41.840 --> 1:29:46.360
<v Speaker 3>really long shitty day of work, like it it has been.

1:29:46.520 --> 1:29:51.680
<v Speaker 3>It has like been one of my cuist and like

1:29:52.120 --> 1:29:57.760
<v Speaker 3>hair free access to serotonin I've had and since I

1:29:57.840 --> 1:30:02.040
<v Speaker 3>can't even remember, like it's been absolutely amazing.

1:30:02.640 --> 1:30:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know what I'm gonna I actually love this casey.

1:30:06.160 --> 1:30:11.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take this from you because I've I feel

1:30:11.640 --> 1:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>like sometimes when I let myself play video games, I

1:30:14.320 --> 1:30:21.080
<v Speaker 1>feel guilty, especially because well especially like because like you know,

1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>to dive back into existential bullshit like you know, being like, oh,

1:30:27.080 --> 1:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>i have such finite amount of time on the earth

1:30:28.880 --> 1:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that I'm using it to play fucking video games. That

1:30:31.040 --> 1:30:33.040
<v Speaker 1>may you know it makes you feel guilty, but I'm

1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I love this for you. This is what a what

1:30:35.320 --> 1:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>beautiful framing you have introduced into my life. Casey, You're

1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>You're the You're the fucking therapy. Get go on this call, okay,

1:30:43.880 --> 1:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>because you you've introduced that's a beautiful framing. I like

1:30:46.880 --> 1:30:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that I am connecting with my inner child when I

1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>am playing you know, uh Red the Redemption two or

1:30:56.280 --> 1:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>like playing on the Switch, because I because I've always

1:30:58.920 --> 1:31:01.559
<v Speaker 1>grown up playing videos, loved video games, and and there

1:31:01.720 --> 1:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>is inherent that's an inherently productive thing to do to

1:31:05.640 --> 1:31:07.880
<v Speaker 1>connect with your inner child. So I like that framing.

1:31:08.040 --> 1:31:10.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna steal that from you. That's a good you.

1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>That was you therapy Gecko to me on that for sure.

1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:15.240
<v Speaker 3>Like that. I like that.

1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take that.

1:31:17.400 --> 1:31:20.879
<v Speaker 3>I think, like one of the things that I've realized

1:31:20.920 --> 1:31:24.560
<v Speaker 3>in the last few years is like, yes, it's important

1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:29.560
<v Speaker 3>to you know, mature as a person in terms of like,

1:31:30.280 --> 1:31:34.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, making the right decisions, being around the right people,

1:31:34.640 --> 1:31:40.040
<v Speaker 3>and so on. But I think just because you know,

1:31:40.160 --> 1:31:44.040
<v Speaker 3>we get older and we take on more responsibilities as

1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:46.920
<v Speaker 3>a human as we grow, it doesn't it doesn't mean

1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:51.839
<v Speaker 3>we have to, you know, solely just see ourselves as adults.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very important to make sure that you still have

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<v Speaker 3>that playful side of your nature because if if you

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<v Speaker 3>lose that, like, how can you find enjoyment in anything?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Casey, is there anything else you want to say to

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<v Speaker 1>the people of the computer before we go?

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me back on. I'm glad we got

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<v Speaker 3>the part two. I'll leave with a fun fact. There

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<v Speaker 3>are more numbers real numbers, so any type of like

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<v Speaker 3>decimal number between zero and one than there are counting

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<v Speaker 3>numbers going one, two, three up to infinity.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means there are infinite numbers between one and ten.

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<v Speaker 3>Between zero and one, or zero and one half or

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<v Speaker 3>zero on points zero zero, zero, zero, zero one. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>look up a video on it. It's called diagonalization.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what. I would look up that video, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've hit my quota on things that make

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<v Speaker 1>me think about infinity and existentialism, So I'm gonna probably

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<v Speaker 1>watch that video. Uh, I'm gonna probably watch a video

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<v Speaker 1>about defective. I'm gonna probably watch a video about old

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<v Speaker 1>school Nintendo candies instead of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you go, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Casey. You have a good rest of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, youtuboe man. Good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to talk to you, man. Bye bye. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a great well, that was a great episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I love it. I sometimes I sit down

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<v Speaker 1>to do this pod and and you know, you just

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<v Speaker 1>get you just get great calls. I'm this was this

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<v Speaker 1>was a banger. I enjoyed this. This was a great podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I'm gonna try to remember everyone's name is Casey,

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<v Speaker 1>Pizza and Olivia. How about that. I never remember fucking

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<v Speaker 1>people's names. I mean, I don't think any of those

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<v Speaker 1>are those people's real names. But three great calls, great pondering.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that was electric. I loved that. That was

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<v Speaker 1>It made me feel good. I hope, I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed listening to this. This is a This was a

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<v Speaker 1>fun podcast to do something.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have my ups and downs. I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>uh candid. I have my ups and downs making this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Over.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean over the past you know, five years of

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<v Speaker 1>making it. But like, yeah, I don't know. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times where I'm like, oh, that felt good,

1:34:34.439 --> 1:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>that was a good that was that was a good

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<v Speaker 1>recession of recording. I enjoyed those conversations. I feel better

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<v Speaker 1>as a person having had them. I hope that it

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<v Speaker 1>felt worth it to you to listen to them or

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<v Speaker 1>have them on in the background while you did something

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<v Speaker 1>else and anything. Do I have anything else to say?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna shut up. I'm gonna shut up, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to walk with dignity into my inevitable caffeine crash

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<v Speaker 1>that will be happening exactly twenty minutes from right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna walk into it with dignity and acceptance that

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<v Speaker 1>I brought it upon myself by drinking too much caffeine. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna yeah, whatever, I'll take a nap. Who cares?

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares about anything. I'm gonna go take a shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go take a nap. Actually, I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like taking a nap, but I will eventually. Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope this wasn't weird. I hope I didn't say

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<v Speaker 1>anything weird or crazy over the past hour and a

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<v Speaker 1>half or however long.

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<v Speaker 3>This was.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm gonna get off. I need to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm gonna stop. Okay, bye them repeat. Cat

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<v Speaker 1>goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night.

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<v Speaker 1>The repink goes doing his eye. He's teaching you to

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<v Speaker 1>hout ever your life, but he's not really an expert.