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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Therapy Gecko podcast. I am alive,

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Speaker 1: and I am here. And if you are conscious enough

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Speaker 1: to uh be listening to this right now, that means

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Speaker 1: you're alive, unless if you I wonder if anyone's ever

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Speaker 1: like been listening to the podcast and then it auto

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Speaker 1: plays a new episode, but they died while they were

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Speaker 1: listening to it, And and this is this is just

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Speaker 1: being my voice is being broadcasted into an empty room

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Speaker 1: with a dead person in it who died. That's a

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Speaker 1: dark thought, but it's not. I'm I don't. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel connected to the darkness in it in

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Speaker 1: this moment. I'm just exploring it as an idea. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm on a lot of stimulants. I took some vibance,

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Speaker 1: which is great. I think I needed it. Do not recommend,

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Speaker 1: don't don't. Don't get it from the street, don't get

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Speaker 1: it from the silk road. But if there's like a

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Speaker 1: a dude who with a who went to school to

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Speaker 1: do stuff, and he tells you that you can have it,

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Speaker 1: then it's great. And I also have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of celsius. Celsius is over the counter. You do not

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Speaker 1: need a doctor to obscribe you Celsius, although it should

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Speaker 1: be Celsius. Celsius should absolutely be. I love Celsius, I

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Speaker 1: endorse it, Celsius. If you're listening, I will gladly chill you.

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Speaker 1: I'll do it for free. Celsius should be a Schedule

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Speaker 1: two drug. What is marijuana? Marijuana is like Schedule one? Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look this up. Hold on, I'm gonna look

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Speaker 1: this up. This is going in the intro of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Schedule one drugs. What are the Schedule one drugs? Okay, heroin, marijuana?

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Speaker 1: Why are heroin and marijuana on the same fucking thing.

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Speaker 1: What are the schedule two drugs? Okay? Schedule one drugs

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Speaker 1: are heroin, marijuana, cocaine, LSD, ecstasy, psilocybin. That's weird that

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Speaker 1: those are all in the same schedule. What's the Schedule

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Speaker 1: two drug What does the schedules even mean? Okay, Schedule

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Speaker 1: two is meth oxycotton, fentanyl. What's going on? Do I

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Speaker 1: dare even figure out what's going on on Schedule three?

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Speaker 1: Schedule three? Okay, these are drugs with moderate to low

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Speaker 1: potential for abuse and addiction. Wait a minute, okay, so

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Speaker 1: if so, Schedule one is the most potential for addiction,

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Speaker 1: and then schedule two and then it goes down as

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Speaker 1: the number goes up. Wait, so what the fuck it?

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Speaker 1: Fentanyl is a Schedule two drug and marijuana is schedule one.

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Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Although I guess I'm such an idiot. I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting over here being like, what, marijuana is addictive and

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Speaker 1: I fucking smoke it every day? But yeah, celsius should

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Speaker 1: be at least scheduled. I'm gonna celsius should be at

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Speaker 1: least to schedule to substance. But it's great caffeine, it's nice,

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Speaker 1: it gets you going. I have a friend he's a doctor,

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Speaker 1: and I ask I. I text him once a week

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Speaker 1: the same question. I have a friend who's a doctor,

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Speaker 1: and once a week I text him the same question.

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Speaker 1: Once a week, I text my friend who's a doctor.

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Speaker 1: Is celsius bad for you? Is it bad for me

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Speaker 1: to drink one every day? And once a week? He says,

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Speaker 1: He says the same thing. He says, you asked me

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Speaker 1: this last week, and the answer is it's probably fine,

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Speaker 1: just don't overdo it. But that's the question, is doing

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Speaker 1: it every day overdoing it? Don't get any medical don't

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Speaker 1: get any advice of any kind from this podcast. This

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Speaker 1: podcast is just this is a I am. I am

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Speaker 1: a man navigating the universe through talking to people and

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Speaker 1: drinking a lot of caffeine. And I am my own

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Speaker 1: little guinea pig boy just fucking slamming Celsius and white

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Speaker 1: Cheddar popcorn and frantically texting anyone who I think might

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Speaker 1: be an authority as to whether or not that will

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Speaker 1: kill me, while knowing deep in my gut that of

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Speaker 1: course it will. But I actually feel good right now.

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Speaker 1: I feel ready to talk to some people on the phone,

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Speaker 1: So let's do that. Hello, Hi, what is your name?

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Speaker 1: What is your name?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go buy Olivia?

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Speaker 1: Olivia? What up, Olivia? How you doing today?

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I need your advice. I have like

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Speaker 2: a crazy.

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Speaker 3: Story for you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll try. I'm I've been saying I feel like

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Speaker 1: I've been saying this the whole time. I've been doing this.

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Speaker 1: But I have very I have a narrow range of

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Speaker 1: things I actually feel as though unqualified to advise over.

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Speaker 1: But I'll whatever this is, I can at least commit

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Speaker 1: to pondering it with you. It tell me what it is?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's like it's like not like I need an

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Speaker 2: expert opinion, it's definitely a pondering one because it's just

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Speaker 2: so odd. Okay, I think Okay, I went to my

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Speaker 2: friend's wedding this weekend. I left my wallet there. She

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Speaker 2: took it home for me. I think her new husband

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Speaker 1: What makes you think that?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: Like, I'll tell you first that like everyone swore up

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Speaker 2: and down, like she made sure my debit card got

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Speaker 2: Apple wallet. I checked her location. She was taking her

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Speaker 2: dogs for the daily walk, and it was like his

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Speaker 2: first time being home alone with the card. And then

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Speaker 2: like the context just is that like historically he's been

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Speaker 2: like really weird about money. He apparently has two hundred

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Speaker 2: how you amass that number. There's like a gambling thing

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Speaker 2: going on. There's like a prison history, and like even

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Speaker 2: wasn't able to make money that week, and so she

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Speaker 2: was like, hey, could you know we usually split the

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Speaker 2: staying home to take care of your dog, could we

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Speaker 2: split it like seventy five twenty five? And he was

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Speaker 2: like absolutely not, Like that's not fair. I just feel

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Speaker 2: like I don't know, the whole thing is just it's

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Speaker 2: just been a lot. They got together after like nine

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Speaker 2: And then finally like he's alone with my debit card

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Speaker 2: and it gets added to like someone's Apple wallet, you know.

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Speaker 1: Whoa Okay, so is so now are you kind of

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Speaker 1: like I kind of want to be like, yo, hey

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Speaker 1: my boyfriend of doing this?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And it's like her literal husband now like they just

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Speaker 2: got married, okay, like this is the groom?

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Speaker 1: Is your Okay? So all this shit you were telling

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Speaker 1: me about right, like your friend how ignorant? Is she

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Speaker 1: in the sense of like if you said this to her,

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Speaker 1: Or which? Or on a scale of how dare you

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Speaker 1: accuse my husband to Yeah, that kind of sounds like

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Speaker 1: some shit he would do. Where where's she at?

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Speaker 2: I feel like she's a five. That's a great question.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we're out of five?

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Speaker 1: Where are you really out of five?

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Speaker 2: Because I even told her like leading up to this, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: like I think you should consider getting a prenup, like

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Speaker 2: he like they moved.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, they didn't get up. She didn't get a prenup.

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Speaker 2: No, she didn't get a prenup. And let me tell

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Speaker 2: you something like she inherited some like her house from

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Speaker 2: her grandmother, Like she lives in her grandmother's house. He

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Speaker 2: moved in with her a month after they started dating.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know.

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Speaker 1: By we're getting into territory that I don't know about.

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Speaker 1: But my understanding of a pre my understanding of how

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Speaker 1: you get married, you keep whether or not you have

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Speaker 1: a preno. But I don't know if that's true.

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Speaker 2: I think that's like that is what the prenup like creates.

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Speaker 2: Like I thought, like once you're married, everything's weard. But

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Speaker 2: if you get a prenup, it states like no, like

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Speaker 2: anything that I made before we got married is mine?

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Speaker 1: Can you inherit? I think that's the point of like,

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Speaker 1: like if they get divorced, do you can you can

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Speaker 1: inherit debts not not not not not inherent like you

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Speaker 1: can so like if so like like if she gets divorced,

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Speaker 1: does is he like all right in the divorce you

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Speaker 1: can have one hundred thousand dollars of my debt?

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Speaker 2: I like don't know because I'm like twenty five, but

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Speaker 2: like so is she?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: But like my understanding too is like like a prenup

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Speaker 2: can protect you from like medical debt or something like

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Speaker 2: like and I was I said to her, like, girl,

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Speaker 2: then you passed away and then like he inherited, we

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Speaker 2: need to divorce a in the comments please, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to read the comments, I promise, But like I

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Speaker 2: like my bank contacted me and said someone added my

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Speaker 2: debit card to their Apple wallet, and you know, like

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Speaker 2: you know, did you see anything weird around my card?

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Speaker 2: She was like no, it was exactly where you had

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Speaker 2: your card was alone with I'll just say Bob like

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Speaker 2: your no, like it was it was just Bob at

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Speaker 2: the house with your debit card. And she slowed down

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Speaker 1: Wait this Okay, So there's like mounting like like evidence

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Speaker 1: she was out on the walk with the dog at

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Speaker 1: the time that the card was suspiciously added to Apple

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Speaker 1: pey correct, and she's a five on the scale of

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Speaker 1: how dare you too? Sounds like some shit he would do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did you bring up did you say you did you

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Speaker 1: did you say to this did you say to your

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Speaker 1: friend like yo, he probably did this.

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Speaker 2: No, So like I'm like, like the route that I

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Speaker 2: kind of take with stuff like this is like, oh,

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Speaker 2: like I would never want like any one of my

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Speaker 2: friends to feel like they couldn't come to me about something,

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Speaker 2: God forbid they were in like an unsafe scenario, and

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Speaker 2: like none of my money ended up getting taken because

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Speaker 2: I blocked the transaction. So I just played stupid and

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Speaker 2: I said to her like, oh, then it must someone

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Speaker 2: must have written down my credit card information at a

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Speaker 2: restaurant and like just added it. At that same time,

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Speaker 2: like I gave her this, I was like, I'll just

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Speaker 2: tell my bank that someone wrote down my debit card

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Speaker 2: information and added it to their Apple. While at that time,

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Speaker 2: like I'll just make up some story. I was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: I know he wouldn't do it, so I'll just say

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Speaker 2: this even though I think you would.

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Speaker 1: Do it, Yeah, well you wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know it that well.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, well here's the thing is, well, I guess

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Speaker 2: I could be like, hey, I like, I'm coming to

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00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: you as your friend. I'm expressing concern for you. I

434
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: hope this doesn't affect our friendship. I'm only saying this

435
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: because I love you.

436
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a solid And by the way, honestly,

437
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If if your friend is like offended

438
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: by that and it makes her not want to talk

439
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: to you anymore, that's her thing. That's her like that.

440
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: Here's like that could totally happen, and then like a

441
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: year from now, they get divorced. He's stealing money from her.

442
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: She comes back to you table between the legs and goes, hey,

443
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: you're right. And then and then it's up to you

444
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: whether or not you want to be like you know, bitch,

445
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 1: I told you so, or that's all right, we all

446
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: make mistakes, Like that's fine.

447
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: I think I think that's a great point because at

448
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm like, OK, right, well,

449
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: if my gut healing is right, then at the end

450
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: of the day, there's reality where we come back together,

451
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or you do, Like I

452
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: feel like you're describing the scenario I'm imagining now that

453
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 2: you say it.

454
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, because if you throw it out there, yeah,

455
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: because if you throw it out there, yeah, Like I said,

456
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: your friend might get super defensive and like retreat in that.

457
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: That happens to people in like those kinds of relationships.

458
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: But you know, if this person is truly your friend, uh,

459
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: Like like if I had like yeah, like I like

460
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: if I like if I had a homie who like

461
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: I was telling that too, and they were like, you know,

462
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: Jessica's amazing, She's never done anything bad. Whatever, And then

463
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: like a year later, I don't talk to them and

464
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: they come back and they're like, yeah, we you know,

465
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: she does this ship. I'd be like, sorry, you know, come,

466
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: what is the what did Jesus say? Jesus said something

467
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: We're like, you can't go Was it Jesus who said

468
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: you can't go too far without being able to come home?

469
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: That's some religious thing, do you know what? Yeah?

470
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: I don't I know what you're getting at. And I

471
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: know that's like Jesus's vibe, like the woman at the

472
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: well and everything, and like, yeah, the prodigal son. Yeah,

473
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: like the prodigal Son. That was that's that was a

474
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: teaching in church?

475
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: Is that the way? Is that the story of the

476
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: prodigal Son. I've never read the Bible in my life,

477
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not Christian. I've never read the Bible of

478
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: my life, but I don't know. Lately I'm like, yo,

479
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: should I read the fucking it is that the prodigal son?

480
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: Hold on?

481
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: So the prodigal son is like, there's this family, like

482
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: one son goes off does his own thing.

483
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, wait yes, oh sorry sorry sorry, Oh no,

484
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: I just google it. No, this is the prodigal son.

485
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: A young man squandered, a young man squanders his inheritance,

486
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: experienced hardship. Basically, all right, this kid fucks up a

487
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: bunch of shit and does a bunch of stupid ship

488
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: and then he comes home with his tale between his

489
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: legs and he's welcomed back with open arms by his father.

490
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: So that's that's it's like an allegory with you. And

491
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: I've become obsessed with God as an allegory for like

492
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: for like actual ship.

493
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: I like that.

494
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: It's interesting though it's become it's lately become interesting to me.

495
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, so like.

496
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm Catholic in like a chill way, like progressive, like hey,

497
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: like we should just be accepting of people and also

498
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 2: not use the Bible to like I don't know, condemn others,

499
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: like like I feel like in like it's a cool allegory.

500
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's your friend. Your friend is the prodigal son,

501
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: you know, going on basically get your friend. Your friend

502
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: is the prodigal son wandering through the woods, like meeting

503
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: with Swiper the fox from Dora, you know, and then

504
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: coming and then eventually she's like, oh, look, and then

505
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: she'll come back or or we're all or we're all

506
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: wrong and this guy is awesome and everything's fine.

507
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then you know what, hopefully we

508
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: don't even have to go prodigal son sniper no sliping

509
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: route in the first place, but yeah, hopefully hopefully everything

510
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: is fine and he's just like chill, reformed, super sweet guy.

511
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: Well, especially if your friends said that she's a five

512
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: on the skepticism scale, it sounds like she would be

513
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: receptive to this information, so you.

514
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, well I hope so too. This has

515
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: been so helpful.

516
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: To su down.

517
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: No, this has been a fun ponder. This has been

518
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: a fun ponder. I'm gonna re I think I'm gonna

519
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: rename the podcast. I'm gonna call it the Ponder Gecko,

520
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: the gecko in the pond.

521
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like maybe I should feel like, oh,

522
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: like I need advice, but be like, yo, I need

523
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: to ponder something with you.

524
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like a pond, I like punt. I'm not

525
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: gonna rename I. I I have a journal from like

526
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: August of twenty twenty of me being like I need

527
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: to call I need to rename the podcast, and that

528
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: was five ish years ago. So I'm not gonna do

529
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: that shit. I'm too I'm too baked into I'm too

530
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: baked into the search engine optimization too. I'm locked in.

531
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: We're the therapy Gecko. But we're gonna ponder. So anyway,

532
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: what's your name again? No, I don't think Gecko's going ponds.

533
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: All right, Gecko's going up, Jamie, Jamie, look that up

534
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: for me. Do geckos go in ponds? Oh wait, I forgot?

535
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm alone? What's your name again?

536
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm going by Olivia tonight.

537
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: Olivia, Olivia? Olivia? Is there anything else you want to

538
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: say to the people of the computer before we go?

539
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: Gek bless you.

540
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: Alaska is a city, not of state. Great chatting with you.

541
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: Have a great day, you too, Great chatting with you too, Olivia.

542
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, have a good one.

543
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: Thank you too.

544
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: Bye, dude.

545
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why, ever since I had an existential

546
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: crisis I've been.

547
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: I don't.

548
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pretend like I read books. I don't.

549
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: I don't.

550
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 1: I never read books. I I I might be I

551
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: started reading a book. I started reading a book, which

552
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: is the best I usually get.

553
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: I have.

554
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: I think just I think I have too much crazy

555
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: ADHD to read books. But I think my ADHD causes

556
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: me to like I like I Usually I go on chat,

557
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: ChiPT and Wikipedia and Google, and I gather the main

558
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: ideas of various information. But I don't know why ever

559
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: since I had ever since I had an existential crisis.

560
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: I've been like thinking about fucking God and shit. Uh again,

561
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: not in like a like a literal way, like like

562
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: like believing in like Catholic fucking God, but like the

563
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: story of the products like that. Yeah, like but like

564
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: shit like that. I'm like, oh, I understand why stories

565
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: like this have been passed on for forever because they're

566
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: just They're just fucking allegories. The hilarious thing I guess

567
00:31:54,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: about religion is people taking the allegories literally and using

568
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: it to say that, like you can't be gay or whatever. Yeah,

569
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why I'm talking about this.

570
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: This is this is what bro this is what happens.

571
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: This is this is literally a side effect of vivance

572
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: is that you will start reading the Bible. They should

573
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: have that on the label of the fucking Celsius can

574
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: is that it is that you can't? Is that if

575
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: you drink too much Celsius you start to think about Jesus?

576
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: It's too much? All right? What else? God? Okay, that's it,

577
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: all right, that's it. Let's move on. Let's take another call.

578
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm done. I'm let's take another call. Let's

579
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: do it okay, Hi, hey man, what's your name?

580
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: You can call me Pizza Pizza.

581
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: What's going on? Pizza house life, Dude.

582
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: I've had a crazy past couple of twelve hours. I've

583
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: had a real like adult a lot of adult shit

584
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 4: going on in like twelve hours. I gotta I got it.

585
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: I got a kiddy cat and I got home from

586
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 4: working all week. I was away from home for a week,

587
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: and my kitty cat was all messed up. I had

588
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: to take him to the emergency room and uh, they

589
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: had to put a what's it called. They charged me

590
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: eleven hundred dollars, dude, because he was he couldn't beee well,

591
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: man couldn't pee and uh, and so they drugged him up.

592
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: His name was perk thirty, by the way, I'll prow

593
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 4: that in there. And so they perked him up. They

594
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: sent him home on a ton of opioids. And I

595
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: wake up this morning and he wouldn't stand up, and

596
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: said to go take him to the vet. And now

597
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 4: they're charging me three grand to put a catheter in them.

598
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: Jesus Yeah, and they're telling me now that little man

599
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 4: might have to have his peepee cut off, so I

600
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 4: might have a transgender child in a couple of days.

601
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: Is.

602
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like, there's such a thing as like pet insurance,

603
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: right do.

604
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: People get Apparently? So I've never I never thought about

605
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 4: it until about twelve hours ago. And you know now

606
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 4: that I'm just like three thousand dollars less in my wallet,

607
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 4: I think that's probably a good idea of something to

608
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 4: invest into. Anybody who has a cat pay like five

609
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 4: dollars a month.

610
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, that was a very that was a very

611
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: captain hindsight thing to say.

612
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: But no I was. I'm able to pay for it

613
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 4: at least I make make decent money.

614
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: But cool, good, But yeah, I guess that's a I

615
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: guess this is a random cautionary tale to fucking get

616
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: pet insurance.

617
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they said that for most male cats

618
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: this is pretty common. And so they were cool at

619
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 4: the places rerecording me like five grand, so and I

620
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: got lucky going somewhere else and they only charged me

621
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 4: at most three thousands. So if you got to yeah,

622
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: like I said, if you got a kiddie cat or

623
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 4: god forrid, you got two of them, you better want

624
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: you better want my ten grand and savings just for

625
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: him or something like that. I don't know.

626
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, aside from the money, how's the how's

627
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: the fucking cat doing?

628
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: I literally just got home an hour ago. I was

629
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 4: racing him to the hospital that was forty minutes away.

630
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 4: I just got following with the docs and he's waking

631
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 4: up from anesthesia and he's all he's doing pretty good

632
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 4: for the most part. They love his name. Everybody they

633
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 4: loved his name too, so that was that's what it's

634
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: all about.

635
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: Really.

636
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 4: But he's doing so so far, so.

637
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: Good, pretty good, but pretty good.

638
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well.

639
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: How's how's your life? Otherwise?

640
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 4: You know, life's life's pretty interesting. I'll I'll throw this

641
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 4: in there. I'm a crane operator, so it's kind of

642
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 4: unique and fun, but it does keep me away from

643
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: home quite a bit, so I have to like rely

644
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: on my roommates to, you know, take care of my cat.

645
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: I'm like a I'm like a what's it called? You

646
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 4: call it a I'm like a deadbeat father in a way,

647
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: but then I front the money when I have to.

648
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: But my life's going good. I'm working on a government

649
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 4: job that I can't talk about, so it's kind of

650
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: fun to say. I guess it's something too interesting. But

651
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 4: just some sort of factory.

652
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a dumb ask question?

653
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure?

654
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: Are you good? Are you good at the crane game?

655
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 4: I dude, I just started, So I'm not that bad

656
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: for like I'm an apprentice, so like I'm learning, but

657
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: I'm pretty I just started actually like running the crane

658
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: for the first time, like after like a year and

659
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: a half of like learning how to build them and

660
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 4: operate them and uh, you know the technicalities behind everything. No,

661
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 4: I mean like I'm like, I'm actually not too bad you.

662
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: No.

663
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: I mean like like like like are you fucking it

664
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: up at the Chuck e Cheese? You know what I mean? Like,

665
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: are you are you drawing a crowd with the skills?

666
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: Are you cleaning out all machine at the chuck e Cheese?

667
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: You could? You could say that sometimes it depends on

668
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 4: what I'm running. I mean, it depends on the crane.

669
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm running a little tiny crane right now, but a

670
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 4: couple of Like I've built several cranes, and probably the

671
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: coolest one is like I could say it's like a

672
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: luffer crane, but you would have no idea what I'm

673
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: talking about. Just a big cool crane and running one

674
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 4: of those is pretty unique and expensive to build.

675
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: And the skill and the skills transfer into collecting the stuffed.

676
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: Animals and the stuff animals.

677
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: Do you know? Are we on the are we? Is

678
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: there a disconnect in our conversation right now?

679
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: Do you really?

680
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: I have no I have no idea what you're talking about.

681
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: You have no idea what I'm talking about.

682
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 4: Oh no, I've got it together. Whoa, I've got figured out,

683
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: I've got I'm together now, I'm with you on this.

684
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 4: That ship is so rigged. It's all like I will,

685
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 4: I've used that. I try to use it on people

686
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: like hicks and stuff, and I'm like, oh yeah, like

687
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: I'll ring you the stuff in and I'm in a

688
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: bar and then it's all right, like you know, but

689
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: move a little bit this way or that way. And

690
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 4: I got like my crane operator hat on and and

691
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: then I just like a fool, So I can't really

692
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 4: use that one too much.

693
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: Damn.

694
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: And I never win. I never win them. I can

695
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 4: shove this money as much money as I want in there,

696
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 4: I'll never win them.

697
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: You hear that, folks? You can get crane operator. That's

698
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,959
Speaker 1: how rigged it is. You can get crane operator certified

699
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: and you still can suck at the game.

700
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: It's it is true. It's I mean, it's all it's

701
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: it's all rigged. It's all just a big lie. So

702
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 4: but but yeah, it's been it's been a cool job.

703
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: I was gonna be a programmer before I started doing this, so,

704
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 4: I mean it was kind of a big jump from like,

705
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: you know, sitting in an office desk to running cranes.

706
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't ever turn back on it because I

707
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: don't see myself. I don't see it being taken over

708
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: by AI anytime soon, you know, things like that. And

709
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: also I've had to travel all around the state that

710
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 4: I live in. I'll just say I live in Michigan,

711
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 4: and I also came to your show in Detroit. I

712
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: feel I feel like everybody. I feel like that Detroit show,

713
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: I feel like we did we did you a disservice.

714
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 4: I feel like you you did such a good job there.

715
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 4: I feel like we did you just like a diservice.

716
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of people left before that

717
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: rave last year. Did you ever hear a lot of

718
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: people with that RaSE?

719
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: Are you taught? Hold on? I did two Detroit shows.

720
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: I did one in twenty three at St. Andrews, and

721
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: then I did one at the that that concert venue

722
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: that looked like a laser tag arena.

723
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it was.

724
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: That you were at that one. Yeah, okay, you were

725
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: at that one. Yeah, that one was Uh that venue

726
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: was a fascinating place.

727
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 4: Why why would you say that because it was way

728
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: out Yeah.

729
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: Well it was a very like old venue and it

730
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: was definitely it was clearly meant for like old school

731
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: like rock concerts. I had a great time. I thought

732
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: it was really cool. I thought it was cool to

733
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: uh do a place like that. But yeah, it was Uh. No,

734
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: I didn't think people did uh to me at the service.

735
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people stayed for it was

736
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: a fun time. That was a that was cool. Yeah,

737
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: that was cool. Somebody else I.

738
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 4: Couldn't stay, so I couldn't. I couldn't stay, so I

739
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 4: wasn't sure. I thought. I thought there's a lot of

740
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: people left. So that's good to hear.

741
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: Somebody, somebody actually who was at that show called into

742
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: the podcast a few weeks ago or whatever and told

743
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: me that they saw me like standing outside in the

744
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: alley without my get go head on, like smoking my

745
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: vape and it looked.

746
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 4: Like, uh oh I remember I did? I do remember

747
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 4: hearing about that?

748
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the same show. Yeah, okay, so Crane Operators.

749
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: Wait so you think crane operation I've been thinking a

750
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: lot about yeah, AI ship and like what's gonna still

751
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: be around and what's not Like I was watching a bro.

752
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: Have you seen vo three?

753
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: No?

754
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe explain it.

755
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: It's utterly dude, It's it's utterly insane. It's like completely insane.

756
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: It's like Google's new like AI filmmaking tool, and it

757
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: makes no If you go on YouTube and you search

758
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: like Google VO three videos, you'll watch it and be like,

759
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: oh fuck, this is this is this is We're on

760
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: the I'm not inherently a doomer about all this. Somebody,

761
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: somebody in the Spotify somebody in the Spotify comments called

762
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: me a doomer when it comes to a I'm not

763
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: a doomer. I'm actually I try my opinions about these

764
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: things are worthless because I don't know anything about computer science.

765
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: These are just like, yeah, observations about like I don't

766
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: know humanity or just I guess, just me trying to

767
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: be optimistic. But anyway, I'm not a doomer. I'm not

768
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: a doomer. I'm generally attempt I generally attempt to I

769
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: guess be optimistic about uh the future of shit. But yeah,

770
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: no Vo three is crazy. But anyway, so crane people,

771
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: crane operators will not be replaced.

772
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 4: You think, well, here's my thing. I'm this, I might

773
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: I might like implement a little bit of a doomer

774
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 4: on you here. But I thought I saw saying where

775
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: China they built like a whole I oh it was

776
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: a highway or a road or what it was, but

777
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 4: it was all using AI. And it was like they

778
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: used no operators, like I'm talking like because because I'm

779
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: a I'm a union operator and I have the same

780
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: union as like the people who like run like the

781
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 4: excavators and all like the equipment, and so they were

782
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 4: doing that all with like AI. And then I'm sitting

783
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: here like, oh shit, because if we can't if I

784
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: can't do that, or if they're going to do AI

785
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 4: with like equipment, then you know, what are they gonna

786
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: do here? You know what I mean? But the same

787
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: the cranes. Cranes are very they're very complicated, I think

788
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 4: more than people would realize. It's all about like at

789
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 4: the same time like catching Like it's like it's like

790
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: literally like a having like a ball on a fishing pole,

791
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 4: like you throw it around at swings. You's like we're

792
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: going to catch it and stuff, except for it's like

793
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 4: you know, you're talking twenty thousand pound pieces or like

794
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand pound pieces. But yeah, I don't know

795
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: how much. I'm just like I'm not. I'm I'm about

796
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: I'm like optimistic if I'm a numer but I'm kind

797
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 4: of just like I'm just like put on my blinders

798
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: and just like going forward and just seeing what happens.

799
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because

800
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: like I was so before I became, Before I I

801
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: truly stumbled and got lucky into like stumbling upon, you know,

802
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: doing this podcast and stuff. My my plan was that

803
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: I was going to start a business like making like

804
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: doing so making social media video for businesses like like law,

805
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: like local law firms and local dentists and ship like that.

806
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: Like that was gonna be my plan was gonna try.

807
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: That was the business I was going to try to

808
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: build out of college before like I stumbled into being

809
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: a gecko, and then once I saw the Google. Once

810
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: I saw the Google VO three shit, I was like,

811
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: oh no, if if if I had done that, I

812
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: would be completely like all like commercial filmmaking or like

813
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: commercial video, like anytime you see like a prescription drug

814
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: ad and there's like people running and frolicking or whatever,

815
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: like all that shit. I think all that shit is

816
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: gonna be God. I was, yeah, I was thinking about that.

817
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, if I had started that business,

818
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: I would be fucked.

819
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

820
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: I have a couple of friends who went in the

821
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: film school. I know you've talked about film school plenty

822
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 4: of times, and they and they are not doing their

823
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 4: they can't find anything in their field. And I can't

824
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 4: imagine with you know, with all that AI stuff that

825
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 4: you were just talking about with you said, VO three,

826
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: is that what.

827
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: It is called vo Yeah?

828
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's it's it's crazy, I think. And I

829
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: was talking to my friends like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm

830
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna be anti Doomer for a second. I'm gonna be

831
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: antidomer because I because like when you look at VO three,

832
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: you're like, oh shit, this like basically it makes like

833
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: very like lifelike filmmaking. And you could look at it

834
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, this is going to have like

835
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: very negative implications on like the creation of art and that.

836
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: I like, I think that like the the human spirit

837
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: of like creativity, I don't think will be impacted, like

838
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking about like like like like you look

839
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: at the VO three ship and you're like, Okay, this

840
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: can generate the visual style of like south Park, Like

841
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: it could make a south It can make a South

842
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: Park episode, right, but like, like what makes south Park

843
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: south Park is that like you know, Trey Parker and

844
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: Matt Stone and the people that write the show, like

845
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: there is an inherent like brilliance and humanity and creativity

846
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: that and like whatever that is. I think we're probably

847
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: very far away from AI replacing that, you know, but

848
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: I was I was watching right right, so like it

849
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: can like again, like you could, like you can go

850
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: into chat GPT and be like, write me an episode

851
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: of south Park. But it's not gonna it's not gonna

852
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: make the what the fucking thing is because you need

853
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: human creativity, and there will be a lot of like

854
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: complete AI slop. There's gonna be a ton of it.

855
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: Uh the completely yes, there already is. Yeah, yeah, but

856
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: there's still going to be things. I don't think that

857
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: like the human spirit of creativity and like people wanting

858
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: to connect with the ideas that are being expressed and

859
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: created by humans is going away anytime soon. I just

860
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: think that like all the legit, like a lot of

861
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: the logistics involved in expressing those ideas are going to

862
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: get totally fucked up, you know.

863
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: I feel like in a way too, like generational, Like

864
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 4: I feel like after maybe like maybe not people in

865
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 4: my generation, maybe people like down the line after like

866
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: you know, TikTok or whatever comes next to or TikTok,

867
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 4: you know, like whatever would you know, whoever like comes

868
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 4: to people's minds or I should say that whatever you know?

869
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: Uh my god, what am I getting at here? I'm

870
00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 4: going to doom around this?

871
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: Now, go ahead. They expressed your truth.

872
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out trying to word it.

873
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 4: Like something's gonna like amplify like people like accepting like

874
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 4: AI to do everything for everybody, you know what I mean.

875
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 4: I feel like that's gonna be for sure, like in

876
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: in my opinion, down the line eventually. So I feel

877
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 4: like in a way, somebody somewhere or a group of

878
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 4: people you would say or make so much money off

879
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: of it that they'll do whatever they can to you know,

880
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: force that on the people. But who knows. I really

881
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm just a fucking construction worker. I'm kind

882
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 4: of a stupid ass.

883
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: But no, I'm also also also kind of a stupid ass.

884
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: Now, I have no.

885
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: I really, I'm like, no, I've been watching because yeah,

886
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm I don't, I have no. I'm not a computer scientist.

887
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: This is not like, uh, this is not like you know,

888
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: the rambling these this podcast is not like I'm not

889
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: a computer scientist. These are just like, these are just

890
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: observations that I'm having philosophic rambles. Yeah, these are just

891
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: philosophic rambles from just my own human experience and very literally,

892
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to say very little empirical knowledge.

893
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to say zero empirical knowledge. But that's why

894
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm watching. I'll watch like Ted talks or

895
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: like I watched this video last night where this dude

896
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: was like breaking down the levels of AI and like

897
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: if it is possible, I mean, this is like the

898
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: classic thing of like is it possible for this ship

899
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: to gain consciousness? Because like, all right, my dad comes

900
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: in my mom and then that made an egg or whatever.

901
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: The I don't even I don't even know that shit works.

902
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: Anything works. But somehow, somehow, my mom's egg and my

903
00:50:54,440 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: dad's come created within me consciousness as a human being.

904
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, is it possible for human beings two

905
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: artificially recreate whatever was going on with my dad's come

906
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: to make me? And then if we argue that yes,

907
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: it is, I guess the idea is we create these

908
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: fucking robots who then become smarter than us that they

909
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: figure out that they like study. They basically study, They

910
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: very vigorously study my dad's come in a way and

911
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: then figure out what inside my dad's come makes consciousness,

912
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: so then they make it, and then they make conscious

913
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: beings that are also immortal. Is how is how I

914
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: think this works. But it's it's definitely an oversimplification. That's

915
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: why I'm curious with like actual No, I think I

916
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: think you hit the nail on the head there.

917
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 4: I think that's pretty good.

918
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know.

919
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if your dad's calm.

920
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but like what the fuck

921
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: was I but I don't know if that's physically possible.

922
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: But also we do a lot of shit that, like,

923
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: we do a lot of shit that, like in the

924
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds was like like the fact that you and

925
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: I could have this conversation over the phone, Yeah, would

926
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: be would be conceivably physically impoppus, the fact that we

927
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: fly airplanes. Like, there's a lot of shit that is

928
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: conceivably impossible that we just fucking did.

929
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 4: Like I was listening to what's it called, I listened

930
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 4: to a lot of Joe rogan be was from the

931
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: side here. It is kind of on topic. They were

932
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: talking about how they were building a quantum computer and

933
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 4: that it was and he was talking about this quantic

934
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 4: computer that was in a way somehow solving He explained

935
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: it to be something online. But but we got every

936
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 4: atom in the universe and put it together and into

937
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 4: a big computer and gave it this equation. The universe

938
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 4: would blow up just like from overheating before it can

939
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 4: solve it. But then this computer is solting this math

940
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: equation and they think it's like going into the multiverse,

941
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 4: which sounds like super ridiculous and like sounds like like

942
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 4: super Joe rogany of course, but like, yeah, that's so

943
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like he's not saying that, but

944
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: like that's what scientists are sending. They think that's that

945
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 4: this computer that they're making is going into the multiverse.

946
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: You know. Can I tell you actually, you know, actually

947
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: it's funny before you brought up Joe Rogan. Can I

948
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: tell you a thought process I was having as we

949
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: were having this conversation, Like, like, as I was talking

950
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: this whole time, I was thinking in my head, I

951
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: was like, because his whole his whole thing is like

952
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm a dumb guy just exp like fucking saying a

953
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: bunch of shit on a podcast. And I'm like, uh oh,

954
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh crap, I'm doing dumb guy right now.

955
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm doing dumb guys saying bunch of ship on a

956
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: podcast right now.

957
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

958
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm not. I'm not having a

959
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: I know I'm not. I'm like, oh fuck, am I am?

960
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: I Is that bad to do dumb guy saying a

961
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: bunch of shit on a podcast?

962
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: No?

963
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I don't think so at all. I mean

964
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 4: I listened to you every day. I said I saw

965
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: I mean that would I don't know what that would

966
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: make me because I listened to you all the time,

967
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 4: so like.

968
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: It would make us two I guess it would make

969
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: us two dumb guys just saying words and then listening

970
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: to it's I guess it's a it's a man. See,

971
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: this is why the computer. The computers are gonna not

972
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: even be dealing with any of this ship. They're gonna

973
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: be doing crazy cool stuff.

974
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. And I just hope that they

975
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 4: don't take over my crane job. I like doing the

976
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: crane stuff.

977
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wait, this slug goes back to you. Didn't

978
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: you said that you don't think ay I is going

979
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: to take your frain job?

980
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 4: No, I said, I don't know. I suppose I started

981
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 4: from I was saying that Ai China was making uh

982
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 4: equipment run on AI and build roads. Who I mean,

983
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 4: the roads could have been super shit, honestly, I don't know.

984
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 4: It could have been like a really shitty road, but

985
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 4: like it made a road, you know what I mean.

986
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 4: I never even thought about it like that. So yeah, yeah,

987
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 4: are getting crans are getting very also technically advanced too,

988
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 4: to the point where they can like almost assist you

989
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 4: the whole time you're running it. Whether it's like the

990
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: old ones are kind of just like you push a

991
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 4: lever and that thing goes, or if you push it

992
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 4: so far it'll tip over. But I don't know things

993
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's getting very like safety and technologically advanced.

994
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: So I wonder sometimes, if you're listening to this podcast

995
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: right now, don't don't get any of your information or

996
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: thoughts or ideas about AI from from me or this

997
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: caller or from Joe Rogan. Go find seriously, go like,

998
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: go find some like like uh, go find like some

999
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: computer scientist, motherfucker, not like a not like a CEO

1000
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: of a tech company. But go find some like computer

1001
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 1: scientist motherfucker.

1002
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know who.

1003
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: Go find some computer scientist person who who made the stuff,

1004
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: Find some really boring computer scientist person and go listen

1005
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: to them, and they'll start talking about stuff. I want

1006
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: to do more. I want to do more of that.

1007
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: But again I'm too adhd. I'm too adhd, So I

1008
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: end up. You know what I ended up doing. I

1009
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: end up going on chat GPT and being like I

1010
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: did I kind of I did the most hilarious thing

1011
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: the other day. I went on chat GPT and I

1012
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 1: was talking to it and I was like, what safeguards

1013
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: are in place for like AI video so that you know,

1014
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: people can't mistake it as uh as real. And I

1015
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 1: I noticed the irony of like asking AI hey, so like, yeah,

1016
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are gonna be cool, right, but yeah,

1017
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I forget what it's it spit

1018
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: back at me.

1019
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: It was like.

1020
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: Something about how like Adobe, Well there's like clear, there's

1021
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: like legislation. I think that's happening, but it's uh, you know,

1022
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: the technology and ship is progressing faster than it can be.

1023
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 4: I think too, Like say, the same thing is, you

1024
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 4: can do all the legislation you want, but it's still

1025
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 4: like we get content from all around the world, you know,

1026
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: so like what is legislation. Sure it's gonna do something,

1027
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 4: but I mean, was it really gonna do if you

1028
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 4: think about it, I don't know. That's the way. That's

1029
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 4: what I think sometimes. But yeah, I don't listen to me.

1030
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 4: I dropped that of I dropped out of computer programming

1031
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 4: in college two times, so like, I don't know fucking anything.

1032
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: I have been having a lot of fun having this,

1033
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, two white guys doing mushrooms for the first time,

1034
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: conversation with you.

1035
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 4: It does feel like that.

1036
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I like I I I I guess it's

1037
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: bleeding out into the podcast because I in my actual life,

1038
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: I do enjoy uh. I think about this stuff. I

1039
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: talk about it with my friends. It's been it's just

1040
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: it's just been on my mind, especially after seeing the

1041
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: the Vio ship. But I did want to I do

1042
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: optimistically believe that like, like, uh, like, human people will

1043
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: always still always like you know what is you know

1044
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: it is? Another thing is I think there will be

1045
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: a there will probably be a large group of people

1046
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: who like go the opposite way. Like we're already like

1047
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: we're seeing a movement. I think of people who like

1048
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: get clamshell phones and like delete their social media and

1049
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: like people who are like going the other way.

1050
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: And I.

1051
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: Again, this is like I don't know if this is

1052
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: like optimism or naivete, but I predict that that movement

1053
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: will grow if people be like, you know, reject reject

1054
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: modernity and fucking touch grass or whatever.

1055
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm laying in the grass right now in my backyard.

1056
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 4: And I actually deleted Facebook and Instagram. I never had

1057
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 4: I had to talk for a little bit. I deleted it.

1058
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 4: But I've Instagram was like my crack. I would always

1059
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 4: go on it. But yeah, I deleted Instagram and Facebook

1060
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 4: about like two months ago. And I feel like I

1061
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 4: remember you talking about some about this, like sitting on

1062
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 4: the subway because you live in New York and you

1063
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 4: said there and just like enjoy the moment. And that's

1064
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 4: what I do. Like out of the vet today, I'm

1065
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 4: sitting there and my phone. I'm just sitting there in

1066
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 4: the moment, just like pondering and just like chilling, just

1067
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 4: the moment.

1068
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,479
Speaker 1: Just to clarify, just so we're on, just so everyone knows.

1069
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: I do that about one out of every fifty times

1070
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: I ride the subway. And it's so great because the

1071
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: other forty nine times I'm on my phone on Instagram

1072
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: like everybody else. But one out of every fifty times

1073
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: I get to, you know, hold a pretend to read

1074
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: a book and think I'm better than everyone else.

1075
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1076
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's funny is I I do often

1077
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: wonder because I do that, I've been like i'll, i'll,

1078
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Speaker 1: i'll anytime I do like shut off my phone or

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Speaker 1: like read look at a book. I look up and

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Speaker 1: I like you look and you like observe everyone being

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Speaker 1: on their phone, and you observe like there's always at

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Speaker 1: least a couple of other people who are like not

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01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: or they're like on on the books or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: I and I I want to I want to have

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Speaker 1: a moment. I I haven't had this moment yet, but

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01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: I want to have a moment where I catch somebody

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: else who's reading a book on the train looking up

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing, and I'm like, well, like we

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01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: lock eyes, and I'm like, are you also looking around

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Speaker 1: the train to have that moment where you're like everything, Yeah,

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01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: everyone's so addicted to their phones, but but not me.

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01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm reading a book and I'm awesome.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, because that that that's not that's not an

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01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 1: original thought. And so I'm like, are the other people

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Speaker 1: reading the books on the train also having that thought?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 4: They for sure are. I mean I feel like I

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Speaker 4: do sometimes when I sit in like a waiting room

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Speaker 4: or somewhere and I'm not sitting on my phone. I mean, honestly, God,

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Speaker 4: I'll be so real. The only thing I do on

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 4: my phone right now is fucking play the Loatro. I'm

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01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 4: hooked to Balatro and I g awesome shot.

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Speaker 1: I thought Blatro's niggas. I thought Platro was like on

1105
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: the Switch. I didn't know it was a phone game.

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Speaker 4: Dude, I'm a phone and I'm a computer. Yeah, so

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01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 4: if you played a lot and your switches on your

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01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: phone too, that's pretty cool. That game is the ship.

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Speaker 1: M hmm, what else? Is there anything else?

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Speaker 4: I don't know? Man, are you really?

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01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: I forgot? Oh wait, you're on the are you? Are

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01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: you really laying on the grass right now?

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Speaker 4: I just stood up? But yeah, I'm outside my backyard

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 3: Damn.

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Speaker 4: Usually I've I've had a pretty stressful morning, to be honest,

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01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of just like staying out of my house.

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01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 4: So I thought my cat was gonna die. He still

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01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 4: might die. Sorry for the mood, but I don't know

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Speaker 4: if he will or not.

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Speaker 1: We started we talked about Ai too much. I forgot

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01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: about the cat thing.

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Speaker 4: That's okay, and that was that was like the banger

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01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 4: was Yeah, but he hopefully he pulled through per thories

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01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 4: and be all right. He's a sweet young man.

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Speaker 1: What is your name against sir?

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Speaker 4: I'm Pizza.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Pizza, Pizza. This is this is a fun conversation.

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Speaker 1: I hope. I'm I hope it didn't sound like the

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Speaker 1: people listening. I hope it didn't sound like whatever crazy

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: person talk. But I I enjoyed. I enjoyed having it.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed having this conversation.

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Speaker 4: It maybe it made me forget about my morning. So

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you very much. I mean that you helped

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01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 4: me out the day when I'm running the cranes around

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01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 4: my equipment all the time, So I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, when you're running the crane, do you ever

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01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: do you ever have like intrusive thoughts of like, yo,

1139
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: I could just fuck up, I could like just just

1140
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: car Yeah I'm sure, yeah yeah.

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01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like I grind my teeth, I get so nervous.

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01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: Is it that that's like a scary realization to like,

1144
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: like everyone's human, and I think like intrusive thoughts are

1145
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: like part of being a human. Like like when you

1146
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: were in fourth grade, your and your teacher was like

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01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: writing maths on the board. They probably had one moment

1148
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: where they were like, what if I pulled my pants

1149
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: down and took a ship right now? What they probably

1150
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: had they probably did, like if you like like like

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01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: like the older you, the older you get the more

1152
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: you like look back on your childhood and you look

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01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: back on like like you're like like your your teachers

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01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: and parents and whatever, and you're like, oh, they were

1155
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: they were humans just like me. They had all these

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01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: like thoughts and feelings that I have. And I'm yeah,

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01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, does my dad am I ever

1158
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: like at dinner with my dad and he's like, Yo,

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01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: what if I just punched my like when I was

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01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: a baby. Did my dad ever look at me and go,

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01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: what if I just took them and threw them on

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Speaker 1: the ground?

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Speaker 4: Oh dude, for sure. Like I'll be up in the

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Speaker 4: cab sitting there and I'm like twelve feet above the

1165
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 4: ground in a glass box. I'm like, what if I

1166
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 4: just like start jerking off right now look at me?

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01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 4: You know, they probably will. It'll probably be a show.

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01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, that's got it. Like I don't know if

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01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 1: that's like a I don't think. I don't think in truth.

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01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: I guess like like severe intruth. I think you know

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01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: what this is all, this is all like pseudo whatever,

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01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: But like I think intrusive thoughts are probably like natural

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01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: to the human experience. And then like if you're mentally

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01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: ill to some degree, they just they just get way

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01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: worse and way more frequent.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I mean if

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Speaker 4: you're if you're a tower crane operator, you have to

1178
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 4: like ship up there in a bucket and pissing a bottle.

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01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 4: So I'm pretty sure you can jerk off if you're

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Speaker 4: in a tire crane. Nobody will see it anyway as

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01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 4: a tower crane operator or wants to be well, you.

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01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: Know what that's that's that's that's your experiment to undergo.

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01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: Should you should you feel, should you feel, did you

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01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: feel called to it?

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01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 4: I'll call you back and I'll let you know how

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01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:04,479
Speaker 4: it goes.

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01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, please do pizza? Is there anything else you I

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: say the people of the computer before we.

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Speaker 4: Go, stay positive, treat others how you want to be treated,

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01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 4: and it's about it. I love you, Lyle. I'll talk

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01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 4: to you another another universe. Thank you, pizza crane jerking off.

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01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: I'll see you, hope, I you know, hopefully I'll look

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01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: up one day and I'll see a guy jerking off

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01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: in a tower crane and I'll and I'll shoot him

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01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: a smile.

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Speaker 4: All right, Lyle, I'll see I love you.

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Speaker 1: Take care pizza. Thank you man. All right, boy, well,

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys have been enjoying this episode of

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Speaker 1: the Therapy Gecko Experience. Thus far from Casey. Hello, what's up,

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: Casey has life?

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Speaker 3: It's going good man. I was on the podcast probably

1202
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 3: like a month and a half, a couple of months

1203
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 3: ago at this point now about living on a fishing boat.

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01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: Oh wait, you're the fucking Alaska guy. Yeah, oh fuck you? Okay, cool, okay,

1205
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,919
Speaker 1: Actually this is sick. I'm glad we I'm actually glad

1206
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: that you called back in because, uh, okay, I'm gonna

1207
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: give some context real quick. Is that you called in,

1208
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: uh to the podcast fucking I don't remember how long ago,

1209
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, maybe like a month ago to talk about

1210
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: your experience going insane on Alaskan fishing boats. And I

1211
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: wanted to talk more about it with you, but you

1212
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: had to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was on my lunch breakout work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, So actually, you know what is you

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01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: know what's funny is, after the last call I wanted

1216
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: to do I wanted to end with something simple, but

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. We're not going to

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01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: do that because it's actually an actually it's perfect that

1219
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you for a few reasons, is okay,

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: Like I've been saying, I don't I'm not. I haven't

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01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: read any books. I've only frantically researched things on Wikipedia.

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01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: And I've been doing I'm doing the same thing I

1223
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: did in high school, which like, in high school, I

1224
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: never read any fucking books. I just spark noted and whatever.

1225
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: And I'm doing that. I'm doing that again, except I'm

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01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: doing it to actually learn instead of to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with the purpose of learning, instead of cheesing through school.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so I'm doing the same thing I did

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01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,839
Speaker 1: in high school, except I'm actually like, oh, this is interesting.

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Speaker 1: So when we talked last, you talked about the myth

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Speaker 1: of Sisyphis, and you're talking about the myth of Sisyphus.

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Speaker 1: And also I think since we last talked, yeah, I've

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01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: been talking about like how like I went through a big,

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: pretty bad existential crisis. I don't know if it's over.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's only been for the last ten days. Actually,

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01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: I've been feeling pretty stable and great. But I had

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01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: one Okay, so I had one night I had I

1238
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: had a horrible, horrible night. Uh, maybe this is less

1239
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: than a month ago. It was like three weeks ago,

1240
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Whatever I took. I was trying to

1241
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: figure out the proper, my proper dosage of vivance, and

1242
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 1: so I started on I started on thirty milligrams of vibance.

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Speaker 3: And.

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01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: I was I was awake for an entire night researching

1245
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: existentialism and just like having a having like a full

1246
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: on like insomnia, like panic about existentialism. And I was

1247
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 1: watching this video about uh Camu, you know Camu and

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: his whole and his whole thing is that it's his

1249
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: whole thing. Is one must imagine Sisyphis happy as happy

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: as happy, and I was, and I was trying to

1251
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: get into it, and I was like, and I wouldn't

1252
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: accept it. I was like, what the funk? What are

1253
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: you talking about? That's insane?

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 3: That?

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01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: How is that? How can that apply to everyone? Okay?

1256
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: So anyway, anyway, so for okay, So for people who

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01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: don't know the myth, and you you actually read the book,

1258
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: I just read the spark notes, so correct me on this.

1259
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: But the the myth of Sisyphis is basically this fucking dude, Sisyphis.

1260
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna open I'm gonna oversimplify all this. This dude

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01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: Sisyphis like does some ship to mess with a bunch

1262
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: of gods, so the gods condemn him to an eternity

1263
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: of rolling a boulder up a hill, up the hill,

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01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: and then the.

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01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 3: Boulder he'll he'll get it right up to the top

1266
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 3: and it'll go back down again.

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01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: Yes, he'll get it right up to the top and

1268
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: he'll go back down again. And is he condemned to

1269
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: do this for eternity? Is he is sipus mortal? Or

1270
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: does he? Or is he immortal?

1271
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 3: He's he's mortal, but like his punishment gives him immortality

1272
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 3: because he's stuck there for eternity.

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01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,520
Speaker 1: He's wit. Really he does that for eternity?

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01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's the uh. The idea of

1275
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 3: the myth is that he like he's free once he

1276
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 3: can get the boulder up the hill, but he never

1277
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 3: gets it up the hill, so.

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01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: He doesn't even do it today. He's still so okay,

1279
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: So in the myth he's he's so in the myth

1280
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: he's immortal. So he actually is doing this for eternity.

1281
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: He doesn't like do it until he's eighty and dies,

1282
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: and then he can just be dead.

1283
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 3: He's he's he's he's immortal in the sense that at

1284
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 3: least I'm pretty sure. It's been a really long times

1285
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 3: since I've read the book, and I'm not super like,

1286
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: you know, I don't have a bunch of knowledge on

1287
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 3: Greek myths. But from what I understand or from what

1288
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 3: I remember, is that he betrays the gods as a

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Speaker 3: mortal man, but he essentially through his punishment where he

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Speaker 3: rolls a boulder up a hill for eternity, he is

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Speaker 3: immortal in his punishment, but he is a mortal man

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Speaker 3: before he betrays the gods.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, so okay, he's a mortal man, betrays the gods,

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Speaker 1: and do the gods turn him immortal basically.

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Speaker 3: With the punishment. Yeah, I mean, it's it's not that

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Speaker 3: like he's immortal in a way that he's like omniscient, oh,

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Speaker 3: the way like a god is, but like he's immortal

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Speaker 3: in the fact that he lives forever just because he's

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Speaker 3: rolling a boulder up a hill forever and that's all

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Speaker 3: he does and that's his punishment. That's it's like going

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Speaker 3: to Hell forever, except he's just stuck in the doldrums.

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Speaker 1: So so in in a little bit of my eccidential crisis.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, all right, so death can be

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Speaker 1: kind of spooky, but the op but like eternity is

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Speaker 1: also kind of spooky, and it's like and so, but

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Speaker 1: and so, how do you reconcile with that? And so

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Speaker 1: the idea is like, all right, you get this guy

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Speaker 1: Sissyphis is rolling the boulder up a hill, and this

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Speaker 1: guy Albert Camu is a philosopher. Yeah, I was up.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was tweaking on vibe Ance at three

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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, watching a YouTube video about Albert

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Speaker 1: Camu talking about absurdism, which is the idea that Sisyphis

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Speaker 1: trapped in this eternal hell of rolling the boulder up

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Speaker 1: the hill, only for it to fall down again, which

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Speaker 1: I guess you could consider is like, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: could consider that as an allegory for like a ton

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Speaker 1: of shit. And yet he and yet Camu's thing is

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Speaker 1: one must imagine Sisyphis is happy and actually, honestly, right now,

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Speaker 1: as I'm like recounting all of this, I'm like, Camu,

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Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about? That sounds like hell,

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Speaker 1: how the fuck is he supposed to be happy? But

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Speaker 1: you seem like when I talked to you that you

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01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: got a lot out of it, and that resonate with you.

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Speaker 1: So I ask you, what, what do you what is

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Speaker 1: your interpretation of that? Why do you think that Sisyphis

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Speaker 1: should be happy with his eternal punishments.

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Speaker 3: I haven't really thought about it in a while, so

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna riff riff. But in the myths of Sispus,

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Speaker 3: one of the central ideas is that like the only

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Speaker 3: true choice that that we have, or one of them,

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Speaker 3: not like true choice, but like the ultimate power that

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Speaker 3: humanity has over himself that they can control. Is the

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Speaker 3: concept of suicide, is that we can kill ourselves. And

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Speaker 3: he claims it's these are not the words that he uses,

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Speaker 3: but he says this is it's like the ultimate philosophical leap,

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Speaker 3: or like a philosophical.

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Speaker 4: Like, or like.

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Speaker 3: It's it's like one of the brave like in a way,

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 3: not like brave in the traditional sense, but one of

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Speaker 3: the bravest things that we can do. And which is

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Speaker 3: why you know, it's it's a part of our consciousness

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Speaker 3: that we can we have the choice to think about that,

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01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 3: and we can not not necessarily the choice, but like

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Speaker 3: it's it's an option for humans, right M And I think,

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Speaker 3: should we not choose to make that act, then we

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01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 3: need to find a way to reconcile with what we

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Speaker 3: have in the present. But there's always that nagging option

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 3: or thought in the back of one's head. And with Sisyphis,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't have that option. He's doing that forever. He

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Speaker 3: can't he can't just kill himself to stop rolling the

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Speaker 3: boulder up the hill. So if he if he is

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01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 3: stuck there for eternity, and if we choose not to

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01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 3: do the if we choose not to commit suicide, which

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Speaker 3: is our only way out besides the natural course of death,

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01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:03,839
Speaker 3: then we have to envision ourselves like we can compare

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Speaker 3: ourselves in a way to Ciscis in our everyday lives.

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Speaker 3: But we have like in order to reconcile with that idea.

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01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 3: We we can't just see Sisyphus as you know, a whining, bitching, complainer,

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Speaker 3: because then we would be, you know, condemned to misery

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Speaker 3: for our entire lives. So we have to envision him

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Speaker 3: as happy despite the absurd circumstances that he's in. We

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01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 3: we are thrown into this world without a choice, and

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01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 3: we were we we deal with a lot of things

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01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 3: that make absolutely zero sense. You know, things don't turn

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01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 3: out the way it could.

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Speaker 4: So so we we have to.

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Speaker 3: Find a mentality or perspective that can elevate us through that,

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Speaker 3: so we can find you know, the humor and the

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Speaker 3: joy in existence.

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Speaker 1: But is one of like the like the philosophy of

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Speaker 1: absurdism is is anti suicide? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Well when he's not when he's talking about that,

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Speaker 3: he's not saying that it's a good thing, but it's

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Speaker 3: he's he sees it as like a kind of transcend

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01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 3: transcendental idea, a unique facet of human existence that has

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Speaker 3: a huge you know, has huge implications on our existence.

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Speaker 1: He was, he again, this is all just I have

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Speaker 1: I you know what, you know what I was in

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01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: a I was I was in a books I wanted

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01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: to read. He has this book what the Stranger or

1382
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: some ship? Okay, all right, so here's the thing I wanted. Okay,

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01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: So I was in a I was, I was home.

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Speaker 1: I was I was home in in uh. I was

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 1: home in Maryland with my family, and I was really

1386
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: going through the like existential ship and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: I wanted to read it, but I was like, I

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01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: think I'm too. Uh, I don't think I'm healthy enough

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01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: to read. I don't want to read this right now,

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01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, like so because I was like, yeah, I

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01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: was like in a bookstore, like having a fucking like

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01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 1: panic attack, and I was like, I don't want to

1393
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: read this right now, but I might go. But once

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01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: I start feeling like like like I'm actually in the past. Yeah,

1395
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: the past like ten days for me have felt pretty good.

1396
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: But I would I'd like to go back and read

1397
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: it and approach it from like a more objective point

1398
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 1: of view where I'm not like so deeply sucked into

1399
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: it in like a weird unhealthy way, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so where you're not like where you're not as

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01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 3: intimately connecting with it in terms of your life at

1402
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 3: that moment, but you're able to take sort of a

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01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 3: bird's eye view at it, right.

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01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so I might. I might. I might pick

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01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: that shit up at some point.

1406
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. The strangers, right, can't recommend it enough?

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01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm gonna.

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01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 3: I also want I'm sure the YouTube comments will that

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01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 3: that is my It's been five four years since I've

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01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: read that, and I have not really explored philosophy for

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01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 3: a couple of years now, so I'm almost positive that

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01:20:56,160 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 3: that's wrong. But that's kind of how I've been looking

1413
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: at absurdism recently, at least through Como's lens. Yeah yeah,

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01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 3: people will correct, man, We'll have some interesting YouTube comments

1415
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 3: to read.

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01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I love reading the YouTube comments. You know

1417
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: what bothered me is the fucking the the YouTube comments

1418
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Not that I I honestly shouldn't read

1419
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: the YouTube comments because I don't know if they I

1420
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: don't know if reading YouTube comment I don't know if

1421
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if reading YouTube comments provides me with

1422
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 1: any value or is Like I mean, I like, I

1423
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I like, you know, I think if you

1424
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: make something and put it on the internet, whether it's

1425
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: a podcast or a photo or whatever, you want to

1426
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: see that people actually listened to or whatever. But like

1427
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: I was, I was kind of bummed out by the

1428
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: I post the most recent podcast, the one where I

1429
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: talk to the lady who is polyamorous. Like people just

1430
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: I opened, I opened to the YouTube comments and somebody

1431
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: was like, I am also disgusted by your polyamorous lifestyle.

1432
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 1: And I literally put my phone down and I was like,

1433
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: people are so fucking like this person did not remotely

1434
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: understand what the fucking thing that we were talking about

1435
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: in the podcast, Like was that bothered me the way?

1436
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: But you also but you can't uh, I don't know,

1437
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: you can't be mad at that shit.

1438
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean people are always gonna, you know,

1439
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 3: look for the tiniest thing that might only be distantly

1440
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 3: related to an entire conversation that you'll have on here,

1441
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 3: and they're gonna latch their own biases to it and

1442
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 3: get up thet about it. So yeah, that's their problem,

1443
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 3: not yours.

1444
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: No, I've gotten better at like when I read that

1445
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: stuff just like I find it funny. I mean that

1446
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: was frustrated. I was like a little bit frustrated at like, oh,

1447
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: this person is not understood. This person is like not

1448
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: getting what I think we're trying to put out. But like, uh,

1449
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff where But then I'll read

1450
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: something where it's like you're fat and gay, and I'm like,

1451
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: all right, you know that's that's fair, That's that's fair. Anyway.

1452
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: Are you feeling less insane? Are you feeling where you

1453
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: how do you feel about do you feel good?

1454
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 3: Well? I thinks we're pretty crazy right now. But there's

1455
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 3: been huge ups and huge downs. The huge up, I

1456
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 3: don't know if this had happened. I don't think I

1457
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 3: got the chance to tell you last time we talked,

1458
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 3: but I got it into a mathematics PhD program.

1459
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, Okay, I remember this

1460
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 1: conversation because you were red this conversation because you, uh,

1461
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: your passion was math and I and I was like,

1462
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: you got you got really lucky that your passion is math,

1463
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: because yeah, like that's an applicable, you know thing that's

1464
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: an easier passion to pursue than a lot of other

1465
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: people's passions are harder. Although I kind of actually actually

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01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: hold on, I take that back. I don't want to

1467
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: say easy to pursue. Maybe, like you know, there's I

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01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 1: guess a I mean, I don't know you would know

1469
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: this more than I would. But like a linear path

1470
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: if one chooses to pursue a career in mathematics as

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01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: opposed to like streaming Fortnite.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, the the biggest issue is that

1473
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 3: just acade, Like I want to be a professor, and

1474
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 3: academia is just insanely competitive. Right now, there's a lot

1475
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 3: more PhDs being churned out than there are, you know,

1476
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 3: teaching jobs. But I'm I'm I'm just taking it as

1477
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 3: I go. Really, I just want to go back to school.

1478
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 3: I'm tired of working.

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01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 1: That's cool. Are you You're not still fishing?

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01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 4: Are you.

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01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: No? That that was That was a one time thing.

1482
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 3: I'll do it again. I would like to do it

1483
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 3: again at some point, but I'm not at that stage

1484
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:29,759
Speaker 3: of my life right now that that'll be an after

1485
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 3: a big maybe, like an after a big accomplishment, like

1486
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 3: if I made it, if I completed a PhD or

1487
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 3: something like that, and I wanted to go find myself

1488
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 3: for the next stage of my life.

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Speaker 1: You know, Alaska is is high up on my I

1490
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,480
Speaker 1: have a I have a whole list of like countries

1491
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: and like places that I want to go to, like

1492
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: interview people and make little videos, and Alaska is big

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01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: on there, so I might be at some point.

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01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. Man. I can't recommend it enough. You definitely should.

1495
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 3: I bet you could. I wonder if you could get

1496
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 3: enough people to I bet you probably could get enough

1497
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 3: people that if you did a show and anchorage and

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01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 3: I bet that would be a really interesting one.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be fun. No, I've tried. I've tried to

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01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: do I've been trying to do. I've been trying to

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01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: do a live show and anchorage for for uh for years,

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01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: Like I like two years ago, I was like emailing

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01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: fucking bars to try to do a thing and anchorage it.

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01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll come together and I would like to. I

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01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: would like to do it, because again I don't know

1506
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: what I'm I don't know what's going on over there.

1507
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: I want to know what's going on.

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01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 3: Your next one you're planning on is gonna be like

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01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 3: your next tour will be in like twenty twenty six, right.

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01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 4: I was.

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01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: I've been kind of thinking about, uh yeah, what sort

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01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: of the My my focus right now is I want

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01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,799
Speaker 1: to make I want to make more U two videos

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01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: like uh, It's like I don't know, I've been I've

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01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: been putting out these like fairly you know, I'm putting

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01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 1: out like podcasts for years, and I'm like, I want

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01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: to kind of step it up and make like more

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01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: like intentional videos and shit. So I'm kind of more

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01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: focused on that than like, uh, doing live shit. But

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01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: I do I think yeah, next next, next year, at

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01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: some point I'll go back to doing live shit.

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01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, right now, we'll make make yeah, make sure

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01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 3: you put a stop in Albuquerque because I'll come when

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01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm living out there.

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01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 4: So I happened yet.

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01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 3: I know you went to Denver in twenty twenty four,

1528
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 3: but I missed out on that one.

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01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: Denver Rocks shout out, Uh yeah, shout out Denver, shout

1530
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: out Albuquerque shout out.

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01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 4: So there.

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01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: I think there are actually a lot of lizards in Albuquerque.

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01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to. I want to visit to explore

1534
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 3: the campus and stuff. And I actually saw on campus.

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01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 3: That's pretty sweet.

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01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 1: What is your name again? Fascinating, Casey, Casey. I'm glad

1537
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: we got to talk again. Case I'm glad, Yeah, because yeah,

1538
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got to talk about this Sissifus ship.

1539
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: It's still it's still kind of spooky to think about,

1540
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, at some point I'll read back more

1541
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: into it. I like, I've been getting uh yeah, interested

1542
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: in Part of me wants to get more interested in philosophy,

1543
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 1: and then part of me is like, is like, because

1544
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: I think I think it does make you smarter to

1545
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: like read up on all this ship. But then also

1546
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: part of me is like, nah, let's just watch South

1547
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: Park and eat candy and uh, you know, just fucking

1548
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: just yeah, ignorance. Ignorance is bliss unknighily.

1549
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 3: So you know what, you know what's been helping me

1550
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 3: with my existential christ not not like full on, but

1551
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 3: you know, the every day you know, not me and

1552
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 3: you know, a torture of being a human being has

1553
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 3: been like entertaining my inner child I've gotten back into.

1554
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,759
Speaker 3: So I haven't played video games in probably like eight years,

1555
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 3: just because I've been too busy, like since like you know,

1556
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 3: middle of high school on I just didn't really have

1557
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 3: as much time as I used to. And I started

1558
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 3: playing Pokemon games again and like after work after a

1559
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 3: really long shitty day of work, like it it has been.

1560
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 3: It has like been one of my cuist and like

1561
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 3: hair free access to serotonin I've had and since I

1562
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 3: can't even remember, like it's been absolutely amazing.

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01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I'm gonna I actually love this casey.

1564
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this from you because I've I feel

1565
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: like sometimes when I let myself play video games, I

1566
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: feel guilty, especially because well especially like because like you know,

1567
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: to dive back into existential bullshit like you know, being like, oh,

1568
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: i have such finite amount of time on the earth

1569
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: that I'm using it to play fucking video games. That

1570
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: may you know it makes you feel guilty, but I'm

1571
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: I love this for you. This is what a what

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01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: beautiful framing you have introduced into my life. Casey, You're

1573
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: You're the You're the fucking therapy. Get go on this call, okay,

1574
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 1: because you you've introduced that's a beautiful framing. I like

1575
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: that I am connecting with my inner child when I

1576
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: am playing you know, uh Red the Redemption two or

1577
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: like playing on the Switch, because I because I've always

1578
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: grown up playing videos, loved video games, and and there

1579
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 1: is inherent that's an inherently productive thing to do to

1580
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: connect with your inner child. So I like that framing.

1581
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal that from you. That's a good you.

1582
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: That was you therapy Gecko to me on that for sure.

1583
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 3: Like that. I like that.

1584
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that.

1585
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,879
Speaker 3: I think, like one of the things that I've realized

1586
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:24,560
Speaker 3: in the last few years is like, yes, it's important

1587
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:29,560
Speaker 3: to you know, mature as a person in terms of like,

1588
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 3: you know, making the right decisions, being around the right people,

1589
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 3: and so on. But I think just because you know,

1590
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 3: we get older and we take on more responsibilities as

1591
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 3: a human as we grow, it doesn't it doesn't mean

1592
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:51,839
Speaker 3: we have to, you know, solely just see ourselves as adults.

1593
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 3: It's very important to make sure that you still have

1594
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 3: that playful side of your nature because if if you

1595
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 3: lose that, like, how can you find enjoyment in anything?

1596
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 3: You know?

1597
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: Casey, is there anything else you want to say to

1598
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go?

1599
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me back on. I'm glad we got

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01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 3: the part two. I'll leave with a fun fact. There

1601
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 3: are more numbers real numbers, so any type of like

1602
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,799
Speaker 3: decimal number between zero and one than there are counting

1603
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 3: numbers going one, two, three up to infinity.

1604
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: So that means there are infinite numbers between one and ten.

1605
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 3: Between zero and one, or zero and one half or

1606
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 3: zero on points zero zero, zero, zero, zero one. Well,

1607
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 3: look up a video on it. It's called diagonalization.

1608
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: You know what. I would look up that video, but

1609
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 1: I think I've hit my quota on things that make

1610
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: me think about infinity and existentialism, So I'm gonna probably

1611
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: watch that video. Uh, I'm gonna probably watch a video

1612
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: about defective. I'm gonna probably watch a video about old

1613
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: school Nintendo candies instead of that.

1614
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, there you go.

1615
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, Casey. You have a good rest of the day.

1616
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, youtuboe man. Good to talk to you.

1617
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, man. Bye bye. Oh wow,

1618
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: that was a great well, that was a great episode.

1619
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 1: Oh god, I love it. I sometimes I sit down

1620
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: to do this pod and and you know, you just

1621
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 1: get you just get great calls. I'm this was this

1622
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: was a banger. I enjoyed this. This was a great podcast.

1623
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm gonna try to remember everyone's name is Casey,

1624
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: Pizza and Olivia. How about that. I never remember fucking

1625
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 1: people's names. I mean, I don't think any of those

1626
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: are those people's real names. But three great calls, great pondering.

1627
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that was electric. I loved that. That was

1628
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,560
Speaker 1: It made me feel good. I hope, I hope you

1629
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 1: enjoyed listening to this. This is a This was a

1630
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: fun podcast to do something.

1631
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 3: Man.

1632
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have my ups and downs. I'm gonna be

1633
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:19,759
Speaker 1: uh candid. I have my ups and downs making this thing.

1634
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 4: Over.

1635
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean over the past you know, five years of

1636
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: making it. But like, yeah, I don't know. There's a

1637
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 1: lot of times where I'm like, oh, that felt good,

1638
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: that was a good that was that was a good

1639
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: recession of recording. I enjoyed those conversations. I feel better

1640
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: as a person having had them. I hope that it

1641
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,640
Speaker 1: felt worth it to you to listen to them or

1642
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: have them on in the background while you did something

1643
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 1: else and anything. Do I have anything else to say?

1644
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut up. I'm gonna shut up, and I'm

1645
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: going to walk with dignity into my inevitable caffeine crash

1646
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 1: that will be happening exactly twenty minutes from right now.

1647
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk into it with dignity and acceptance that

1648
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 1: I brought it upon myself by drinking too much caffeine. No,

1649
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna yeah, whatever, I'll take a nap. Who cares?

1650
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: Who cares about anything. I'm gonna go take a shit.

1651
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take a nap. Actually, I don't feel

1652
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 1: like taking a nap, but I will eventually. Okay, all right.

1653
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: I hope this wasn't weird. I hope I didn't say

1654
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: anything weird or crazy over the past hour and a

1655
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: half or however long.

1656
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 3: This was.

1657
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna get off. I need to stop.

1658
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna stop. Okay, bye them repeat. Cat

1659
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 1: goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night.

1660
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 1: The repink goes doing his eye. He's teaching you to

1661
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 1: hout ever your life, but he's not really an expert.