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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,

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Speaker 2: Kathleen Ball with us here, Kathleen. The Templars were active

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Speaker 2: until thirteen twelve AD. What happened to them? What made

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Speaker 2: them stop?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, many people know that they were They

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Speaker 3: were literally attacked and rounded up after a propaganda you.

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Speaker 4: Know, by the King Philip.

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Speaker 3: The Fair in France spread a great deal of propaganda,

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Speaker 3: negative propaganda about the Templars prior to you know, trying

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Speaker 3: to splay public opinion before he went after the Templars.

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Speaker 3: And this took some time. But basically what happened in

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Speaker 3: twelve ninety two, you know, their goose is Penacook. They

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Speaker 3: they they lost Acker, they lost the Holy Land. All

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Speaker 3: the monarchs in your at that time were broke trying

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Speaker 3: to support these crusades, so they were all broke, the kings.

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Speaker 3: But the monarchs were pretty tired of this whole thing.

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Speaker 3: And the Templars came back and they really didn't fit,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, they had embedded themselves in the

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Speaker 3: monarchies and the administrative you know, workings of the monarchues.

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Speaker 4: But they were in a precarious position because they weren't

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Speaker 4: being utilized as a militia or a military force anymore.

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Speaker 3: Really, that wasn't their primary purpose anymore. They had become

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Speaker 3: bankers and landowners, and they loaned a great deal of

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Speaker 3: money to the monarchs. And many of the monarchs in

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Speaker 3: Europe were jealous for one thing.

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Speaker 4: They were jealous of.

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Speaker 3: The power, and the Catholic Church was most definitely jealous

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Speaker 3: of their power. And they did not approve of the

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Speaker 3: country Portugal if they had put together, you know, protecting

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Speaker 3: all of these people that the Church considered heretics. So

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Speaker 3: you know, all of this kind of came to a

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Speaker 3: head when King Philip's affair was broke. You know, he

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Speaker 3: was dead broke. His father left him with nothing, There

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Speaker 3: was nothing in the coppers, and so he first he

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Speaker 3: got he rounded up all the wealth of the Jewish people,

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Speaker 3: and you know, and he ran them out of France.

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Speaker 3: And then that wasn't enough. He wanted more, and so

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Speaker 3: he went after the templars to try to take all

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Speaker 3: of their possessions, which, as we know from history, they

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Speaker 3: did not. They did not get a fold of most

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Speaker 3: of the wealth of the Templars. They were able, they

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Speaker 3: had some kind of heads up. From what I understand

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Speaker 3: and from the research that I've done, it looks like

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Speaker 3: they knew in advance. I think Jacques Dumree was going

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Speaker 3: to still try to negotiate with the Pope and with

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Speaker 3: Philip Affair because he had been you know, he had

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Speaker 3: been working with this men for a very long time,

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Speaker 3: so he had every reason to believe that he could,

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Speaker 3: you know, talk the situation through. But he did send

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Speaker 3: just in case. He did send many of his Templars

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Speaker 3: to law Rochelle, and they did smuggle the most of

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Speaker 3: the gold, most of the wealth of the Templars had

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Speaker 3: in France outside of the country, and I believe that

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Speaker 3: they sent it both up into Scotland and also down

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Speaker 3: into Portugal, and I think that a lot of it

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Speaker 3: found its way into Tomar, which was it was really

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Speaker 3: the stronghold of the Templars. And you know, it's really

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Speaker 3: interesting because everybody has focused so much energy time research

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Speaker 3: on France at being the primary country where the Templars,

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Speaker 3: you know, had their strongholds. But from everything that I

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Speaker 3: have researched, it really looks like France was more of

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Speaker 4: Was really held.

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Speaker 3: Tomar, you know the templars in Tomar, you know, they

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Speaker 3: had vast lambs, absolutely, the templars in Portugal, just the

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Speaker 3: almost owned the country. They ran the country, certainly. And

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Speaker 3: you know, after finding that port in Tunish and finding

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Speaker 3: out that they had this whole naval base and they

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Speaker 3: were traveling freely to other countries including South America, you know,

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Speaker 3: it leads me to believe that that really truly was

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Speaker 3: their primary stronghold was actually Portugal. But you know, given

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Speaker 3: their numbers and everything they had going for them, it

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Speaker 3: was not enough to turn back the wheels of the

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Speaker 3: propaganda that King Philips affair had set up. And so

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Speaker 3: that were rounded up and there were sent sent to

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Speaker 3: then King Philip went after the other monarchs. He budied

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Speaker 3: pressure on the other monarchs to round up the Templars

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Speaker 3: and disband them in other countries as well. So you

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Speaker 3: destroyed an organization that at one time had probably close

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Speaker 2: Were they ever the guardians of the so called Arc

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Speaker 2: of the Covenant?

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Speaker 3: Yes, they are, and from what I understand again after

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Speaker 3: many conversations with Timothy Hogan, who's the Grand Master of

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Speaker 3: the Templars, currently, there are several arcs of the Covenant.

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Speaker 3: Now I believe that they excavated one of these in

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Speaker 4: And I believe and.

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Speaker 3: I also know that prior to going into the Holy Land,

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Speaker 3: the Templars traveled far and live. They went into Constantinople

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Speaker 3: which is now Istanbul. They were tracking down all of

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Speaker 3: the ancient esoteric belief systems and spiritual.

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Speaker 4: Culture and they were I believe.

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Speaker 3: Looking specifically for relics for the Arcs of the Covenant,

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Speaker 3: And from what I understand from Timothy, there are actually

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Speaker 3: ten arcs, and the Templars are aware of the location.

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Speaker 4: Of six of them.

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Speaker 2: They say, there's one in a church in Ethiopia. You've

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Speaker 2: heard about that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, that's one of the locations that

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Speaker 3: I intend to travel to as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: act soon. In Ethiopia. It's a small town and there

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Speaker 3: is a small temple there that has been protected by

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Speaker 3: a specific family for generations. One member of the family

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Speaker 3: each generation commits to protecting the arc that they say

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Speaker 3: is there, and they don't. They never leave the building,

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Speaker 3: with the people they spend They dedicate their entire life

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Speaker 3: it is also they move it when they feel that

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Speaker 3: it's in danger of you know, someone trying to take

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Speaker 3: it away from them. That it has been moved to

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Speaker 3: other locations periodically. So whether or not it's still in

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Speaker 3: that location, I really couldn't tell you. But that is

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Speaker 3: a location that I intend to to research myself. I'm

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Speaker 3: actually planning a trip to Theopia next year.

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Speaker 2: So did you say earlier that Jesus may have fathered

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Speaker 2: a child through Mary Magdalene.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it looks like they father he fathered two children

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Speaker 3: possibly from her marriage with John the Baptist. There are

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Speaker 3: three children from the research that.

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Speaker 2: I've uncovered, so there very well could be a bloodline

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Speaker 2: of Jesus on this planet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely potentially. You know, if you think about three children,

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Speaker 3: one of them is you know, rich you have been married,

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Speaker 3: reason to believe that that is true after traveling to

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Speaker 3: kings in France. For hundreds of years, they made pilgrimages

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Speaker 3: back and forth to Saint Baume to have Mary Magdalene

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Speaker 3: blessed the fertility of their marriage. So you know, that

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Speaker 3: seems like a tremendous amount of effort for a lot

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Speaker 3: was nothing to it. But again, you know, we don't

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Speaker 3: have access to those records, so we can't really prove anything.

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Speaker 3: But if that is the fact, and then there were

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Speaker 2: That's amazing and incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if there could be, there actually could be.

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Speaker 2: Tell us why England is so significant to the Templars agenda.

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Speaker 2: I beg your pardon England? Why is it so important?

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Speaker 3: Do I know of any specifically?

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Speaker 2: Why is England so important to the Templars agenda?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry, George, I'm not hearing you.

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Speaker 2: Why why is England so important to the Templars?

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Speaker 3: Wow, Well, you know, the Kaffers valued they had they

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Speaker 3: had very similar values belief systems to the Templars, and

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Speaker 3: they didn't specifically believe in the resurrection of Jesus. They believe,

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Speaker 3: actually came into Europe with Mary Nijelm. Others believe that

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Speaker 3: he died, he did, was crucified, but that he was

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Speaker 3: not resurrected. In other words, he was not a god.

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Speaker 3: They believed that he was a man.

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Speaker 2: So what's your take.

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Speaker 3: Well, my take is I think it's very possible, you know,

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Speaker 4: I know it's possible.

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Speaker 3: I know these things are possible. And it appears that

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Speaker 3: to be a rabbi you have to be married. So

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Speaker 3: They wanted to get them out of Holy Land.

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Speaker 4: So the stories that I.

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Speaker 3: been waiting for me for years, that she's learning a

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Speaker 3: me up into Saint Oh So to the resting place.

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Speaker 2: Very man, you are and you are convinced, so that

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Speaker 2: Jesus resurrected.

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Speaker 4: Do I believe that Jesus was resurrected?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I believe that he went to an initiation process

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Speaker 3: and near death experience.

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Speaker 4: That's what I believe.

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Speaker 2: He was put up on a cross, they took him down.

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Speaker 2: I think he died.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that he came very close to death.

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Speaker 3: He may even been given a potion that would simulate

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Speaker 3: death and was taken into the cave at that point

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Speaker 3: that I believe that he that he had a near death.

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Speaker 2: Experience but survived the crucifixion.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know miracles. I have seen many, many miracles.

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Speaker 3: Storage I've gone through one myself. I had a near

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Speaker 3: death experience myself, So you know, I know, and I

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Speaker 3: know many people. I've talked to many people who have

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Speaker 3: had near death experiences that have survived things that no

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Speaker 3: one should have survived. So it's very I think it's

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Speaker 3: highly possible that he survived.

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Speaker 2: If he survived, is there any record of his eventual death,

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Speaker 2: I mean, did he live until seventy or eighty?

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Speaker 4: That say that again, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: How late did he live?

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Speaker 4: How long did he live?

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Speaker 3: We don't know, you know, we really don't know.

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Speaker 4: But I think that he you know that he did.

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Speaker 3: I think it's very possible that he came into Europe

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Speaker 3: with Mary Magdalen and he lived out his life. I

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Speaker 2: Are there any records of him living out his life?

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Speaker 3: No, there's no records. The only thing that we do

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Speaker 3: have is ostaries that were discovered by the Knight's temper

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Speaker 3: highly suggest you have a conversation with Timothy Hoven because

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Speaker 3: he's been very enlightening as far as the research that

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Speaker 3: the Templars have possession of. That they do know where

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Speaker 3: the bones of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, the children they

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Speaker 3: were later taken back to the Holy Land and.

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Speaker 4: Placed in these awswere that.

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Speaker 3: Beared their names, and you know, so they I believe

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Speaker 3: they lived out a life in Europe, you know, and

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Speaker 3: they were returned to the Osturoys. Their bones were returned

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Speaker 3: to the Osuroys to lay them to rest.

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