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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: kicks off right now. We are racked and stacked a

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Speaker 2: lot of news stories that we're already ready to dive

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Speaker 2: into with you. The hush money trial for Trump is

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Speaker 2: going to start next week. There was a motion by

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Speaker 2: Trump's lawyers, will break that down for you, trying to

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Speaker 2: get this thing delayed. Can Trump get a free, well

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Speaker 2: not free, a fair trial in New York City? That

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Speaker 2: was central to the argument, and they basically were like, well,

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Speaker 2: this guy can't get a fair trial.

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Speaker 1: Anywhere, so what difference does it make.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss that the Supreme Court is going to be

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Speaker 2: hearing about the presidential immunity argument for the federal case

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Speaker 2: coming up April twenty fifth. I think we'll start to

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Speaker 2: preview and discuss. That's a big deal. And the legal

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Speaker 2: analysts who were like this is frivolous are full of

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Speaker 2: it because the answer to the extent of presidential immunity

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Speaker 2: or what is the extent of presidential community is nobody

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Speaker 2: really knows, has not been tested. Supreme Court has not

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Speaker 2: ever decided on this issue, and it's kind of just

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Speaker 2: been we'll see, So I think that's important. Trump aftermath

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Speaker 2: of his video on the abortion issue and also IVF,

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Speaker 2: he came out very strongly in favor of IVF, you know,

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Speaker 2: he was fired up on that, but also then talked

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Speaker 2: about where he stands on abortion, said as a state's issue.

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Speaker 2: He had some very trumpy words for Lindsey Graham generally

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Speaker 2: a staunch Trump Ally. It's not a great day, I

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Speaker 2: think for Lindsey. We also have the this morning. They're

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Speaker 2: covering it on a lot of news stations, the sentencing

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Speaker 2: for the parents of the Michigan school shooter. Some very

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Speaker 2: gut wrenching victim impact statements aired this morning. This is

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Speaker 2: a case where really the the central legal issue has

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Speaker 2: to do with I think the precedent here. Everyone knows

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Speaker 2: who the school shooter was in this, everyone knows he's

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Speaker 2: guilty and he's gonna spend the rest of his life

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Speaker 2: in prison. But the parents facing substantial prison time is

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Speaker 2: something new.

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Speaker 1: So we have that.

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Speaker 2: And then also an update on the Morgan Wallen situation.

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Speaker 2: And I know who Morganwallen is. In fact, I even

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Speaker 2: suddenly I listened to some of his music this morning,

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Speaker 2: because I wanted to be fully aware have the full

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Speaker 2: context for his chair throwing off the rooftop not far

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Speaker 2: from where Clay lives. Clay was not within uh you know,

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Speaker 2: within the vicinity fortunately of the chair throwing incident, but

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Speaker 2: not too far off.

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Speaker 1: We owned a bar. You knew that right on I was.

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Speaker 2: I went to your bar. I had a stake at

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Speaker 2: your bar. It was pretty Yeah, Garth Brooks bought our bar.

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Speaker 2: So if you've been to downtown Nashville, Garth Brooks now

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Speaker 2: owns that bar, but we have that was like that

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Speaker 2: was a rooftop. That was a preview of the future. Wen'

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Speaker 2: even think there's me and Tommy Laren having steaks at

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Speaker 2: your bar. I don't even know how many years ago

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Speaker 2: we're going back before we were doing the show. Well

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Speaker 2: for sure, I think twenty nineteen. Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: We opened before. I remember it specifically, we opened our

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Speaker 2: bar when Nashville hosted the NFL Draft and then COVID happened,

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Speaker 2: and you can imagine that not the best time to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I remember what it was open Tommy and

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Speaker 2: I was sitting there and I was thinking to myself.

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Speaker 2: I was like, sportsball man has a fun bar with

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Speaker 2: good steak, the well done.

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Speaker 1: So it was it was a cool place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, and we also have I just want

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Speaker 2: to I know this isn't like top of the news everybody,

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Speaker 2: but I think this is I think this is just

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Speaker 2: kind of fun. All right, we had a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to dive into more eclipse stuff today.

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Speaker 2: Producer Greg, he's safe. My understanding is his cornea is

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Speaker 2: still very much intact, and he is on his way

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Speaker 2: home and he will be working on the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I think he drove seven hours, is that right? Seven hours?

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Speaker 2: It sounds miserable to me if you told me that

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Speaker 2: I went outside at the peak of the eclipse, which

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Speaker 2: have respect for producer Gregg's all in approach to eclipse

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Speaker 2: hear this. I've never seen any I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I've ever seen anybody dis excited on their wedding day.

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Speaker 2: He was watching the eclipse, he was on TV, and

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Speaker 2: it's just too much fun. This guy gets the prize

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Speaker 2: for the most excited about the eclipse playing.

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Speaker 1: It's no telling me.

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Speaker 3: This is just amazing. I can't believe I'm able to

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Speaker 3: the sun. The stars are starting to come out. This

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Speaker 3: is just an amazing sight. I just watch for a

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Speaker 3: the sight that I'm seeing right now.

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Speaker 2: I want to love any event the way this guy

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Speaker 2: loves the eclipse. Clay, I love TV guy saying sorry,

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Speaker 2: you just have to watch in silence. I don't have

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Speaker 2: the ability to control my own emotions right now, regardless

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Speaker 2: of what's going on. Maybe your job is to continue

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Speaker 2: to speak for your for your audience. That sounded like

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Speaker 2: me at WrestleMania. I I gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's anything more overrated than an eclipse.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Clay, the day after you're really throw

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Speaker 2: You're really throwing this one.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to move on today. Our email inbox is

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Speaker 1: just gonna be destroyed. I think, look where I live.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's gonna snow or not really interesting to me,

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Speaker 2: I'm I find it to be mostly uninteresting. The fact

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Speaker 2: back of a random person's pickup truck that Tennessee Valls

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Speaker 2: won a very big game after they beat Alabama. You

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Speaker 2: pronounce Valls correct, and I get it. Some of you

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Speaker 2: There's no way on earth that a grown man should

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Speaker 2: should say inexplicable by reason alone. Maybe of Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Like I I don't even see those as remotely similar

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Speaker 2: And if you and I would say I'm somewhat of

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I founded my own company.

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Speaker 2: Like, but they're so stand on the sideline unable to

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Speaker 2: We are sitting now six days from the start of

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Speaker 2: Maybe they've started it, but they haven't resolved it that

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Speaker 2: And we know they've already said that the position of

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Speaker 2: clay Anne Buck. You know Trump release. We talked about

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Speaker 2: because it is not a federal issue, and that the

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Speaker 2: puts us in this current circumstance. There are states, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of response, of course, to what

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Speaker 1: In some cases, some view it as.

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Speaker 2: Not nearly a strong enough stand for life, and others

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Speaker 2: This has cut one play it.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump just endorsed every single state ban on reproductive

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Speaker 4: He said it himself. He punished women who seek out

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Speaker 1: Clay, what do you make of it?

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Speaker 2: I don't think registers, Yeah, I don't think it hits

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Speaker 1: And then Roe v.

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Speaker 1: States you know, that.

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Speaker 2: Mike Pence is a and that's why he was selected

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Speaker 2: as VP. I think he sees abortion as maybe the

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Speaker 2: number one issue for him as a politician. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that's ever been in the top ten for Trump

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Speaker 2: and uh, and I mean that honestly, Like I just

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Speaker 2: I don't think for most people out there who identify Trump,

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Speaker 2: I don't think they see that as at the at

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Speaker 2: the top of his list of concerns.

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Speaker 1: And and so I think it's gonna be hard.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be hard for Biden to make

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Speaker 2: a lot of hey here, and I think that's why

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Speaker 2: he's kind of desperately flailing around looking for a reason

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Speaker 2: for people to vote for him. He also came out

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Speaker 2: with the student loan again. He's trying to just defy

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court and take on all the student loan obligations.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you have a Lindsey Graham who went

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Speaker 2: public with his disapproval of Trump's position on this. He

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Speaker 2: wrote that Trump's position will quote age about as well

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Speaker 2: as the red Scott decision. That's from Lindsay Graham or

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Speaker 2: he said this. I forget where he said it, but

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Speaker 2: he said this, and then Trump wrote. Trump wrote on

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Speaker 2: Truth Social Center, Lindsey Graham is doing a great disservice

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Speaker 2: to the Republican Party and to our country. I blame

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Speaker 2: myself for Lindsay Graham, because the only reason he won

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Speaker 2: in the great state of South Carolina is because I

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Speaker 2: endorsed him. And then he wrote that Lindsay should study

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Speaker 2: the Tenth Amendment and states rights. Here, here's what I need,

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Speaker 2: like the Lindsay Graham Lindsey Graham's position, and I made

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Speaker 2: sure I looked this up. As he wants a federal

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Speaker 2: ban at fifteen weeks. Right, he wants a federal ban

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Speaker 2: at fifteen weeks. A federal ban at fifteen weeks, signed

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Speaker 2: by a Republican president, votevoted for by Republicans in the

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Speaker 2: House and Senate, would be the legalization of abortion nationwide

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Speaker 2: for the first four months of the pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: It is the destruction of the pro life movement in

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Speaker 1: one fell swoop. I do not understand.

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Speaker 2: And people think that's the that's going to like save

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Speaker 2: more babies. First of all, it will never happen, but

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Speaker 2: the like so you'll never pass it, so as law

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Speaker 2: it's not even close to.

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Speaker 1: Being a reality.

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Speaker 2: And beyond that, why would that even be a good

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Speaker 2: idea if you could pass it?

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Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: Because in states like Tennessee that you have a federal

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Speaker 2: right to abortion until week fifteen. Well, I think probably

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Speaker 2: what the law, Yeah, I think what the law would

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Speaker 2: say is that the way that he would characterize it

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Speaker 2: is you can't have an abortion anywhere after fifteen weeks,

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Speaker 2: but states can't restrict it inside of fifteen weeks as

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Speaker 2: much as they want.

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Speaker 1: So again it's a complicated argument, but what he you

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Speaker 1: would say.

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Speaker 2: Once you've set the I see what you're saying. But

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Speaker 2: once you've set the federal line at fifteen weeks, then

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Speaker 2: that becomes you know, you've effectively.

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Speaker 1: Said, okay, everything up.

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Speaker 2: You're never going to be able to move that line

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Speaker 2: back if you pass a federal law that says fifteen weeks,

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Speaker 2: it's never going to happen. And right now, everywhere where

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Speaker 2: they vote on this on the state level.

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Speaker 1: They lose yes.

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Speaker 2: And I do think that it's worthy of pointing out

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Speaker 2: in at least some defense of fifteen weeks. Everybody talks

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Speaker 2: about how liberal many like France is right France in

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Speaker 2: its constitution and team in New York correct me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong on this, their right to abortion ends at

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Speaker 2: fifteen weeks. So people talk all the time about how

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Speaker 2: about how progressive places like France, are they actually have

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Speaker 2: a more restrictive cutoff than almost every blue state in

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Speaker 2: the United States does. And I think that surprises people

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Speaker 2: that even France. Remember when I think it was Jessica

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Speaker 2: Biel went to France and she posted something that went

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Speaker 2: viral on social media and it was like, I'm relieved

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Speaker 2: to be in France, where at least I could have

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Speaker 2: an abortion.

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Speaker 1: Now. First of all, she's married, and yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen year old me was a big fan when she

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Speaker 2: was seventeen, but not anymore. But what people like immediately

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Speaker 2: recognized was, wait a minute, France actually has way more

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Speaker 2: restrictive abortion procedures than Roe v. Wade permits. And again,

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Speaker 2: the team is diving into this, but I think the

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Speaker 2: problem is it's muddled. It's difficult to make an argument

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Speaker 2: on Trump's argument of hey, it's now the state decision.

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Speaker 2: Are there lots of women in California that are like,

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Speaker 2: I've gotta go vote now, Not that California matters as

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Speaker 2: a presidential state, but what state would abortion matter in?

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Michigan, maybe Wisconsin, maybe Pennsylvania in terms of

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Speaker 2: being able to decide things, Which is why I just

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Speaker 2: circle back around we're a little bit ahead of the

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Speaker 2: story on this. Nebraska needs to get their stuff together

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Speaker 2: and make the whole state of Nebraska a because I'm looking.

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Speaker 1: At winter take off in you take off college.

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Speaker 2: That's because, sir, if I were projecting right now, Buck,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a strong argument you could make that

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Speaker 2: whatever Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania do, all three are going

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Speaker 2: to go the same way. In other words, that that

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Speaker 2: there's not going to be that much of a variation.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be very, really tight. But if Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: votes for Biden, then Michigan and Wisconsin are probably likely

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Speaker 2: to do it too. Why do I bring that up.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump is going to win Georgia. I think

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Speaker 2: he's gonna win Arizona. I think he's got a really

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Speaker 2: good chance in Nevada. There's an art Glennaxio's talking about

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Speaker 2: how much better he's doing with Latino voters.

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Speaker 1: If that happens.

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Speaker 2: If he were to flip Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada, he

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Speaker 2: would lose potentially by one electoral vote because Omaha, Nebraska

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Speaker 2: is not rolled into the overall state of Nebraska. Can

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Speaker 2: you imagine that would be a tough one that would

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Speaker 2: be a tough one to take to say that. I'm

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Speaker 2: plic Party would have a rough day after that one. Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: The fate of the nation and whether we get four

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Speaker 2: more years of Joe Biden could come down to you guys. Now,

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Speaker 2: I have faith old school Cornhusker football. You guys used

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Speaker 2: to be able to get things done. College World Series

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Speaker 2: is amazing. I know we have a huge listenership in Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: I want you guys to be back in the days

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Speaker 2: of Tom Osborne. I want you to win football games again.

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Speaker 2: But I desperately want you to fix this. And I

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Speaker 2: think it's a real big deal. And again, you can

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Speaker 2: look at the math and this is not some crazy,

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Speaker 2: far fetched idea. I think there's a very good chance

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Speaker 2: that Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania all vote the same way,

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Speaker 2: and if.

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Speaker 1: Trump wins one, he's gonna win all three. And maybe

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Speaker 1: the race is not that close.

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Speaker 2: But if he loses one, I think he's gonna flip Nevada, Arizona,

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Speaker 2: and Georgia. That would be an unbelievable kick in the

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Speaker 2: teeth to lose that way. I'm just saying it is

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Speaker 2: eminently foreseeable as we sit here. Less than seven months

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Speaker 2: until actual election day. Right, we actually have some breaking

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Speaker 2: news here. The parents of the Michigan shooter have been

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Speaker 2: sentenced to ten to fifteen years ten to fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Let's get your reaction to that. I've got a pretty

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Speaker 1: strong take on it.

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Speaker 2: I think when we come back, both parents, husband and wife,

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Speaker 2: both sentenced in the last few minutes here from the

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Speaker 2: Michigan shooting their son at It was Oxford, Michigan, if

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Speaker 2: I remember correctly where that shooting took place. We got

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Speaker 2: a lot of listeners in southeast Michigan. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that when we come back. I already know what I'm

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Speaker 2: doing this weekend. I'm going to check out the new

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Speaker 2: movie Civil War, epic thriller from visionary filmmaker Alex Garland.

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Speaker 2: If you've been to watch The Last of Us, you're

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Speaker 2: You're gonna want to see it in a big screen where

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Speaker 2: you are. What would happen if we had a modern

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Speaker 2: day Civil war? Really fascinating question that is not diving

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Speaker 2: into the politics behind it, just what would this potentially

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Speaker 1: Produced by A twenty four.

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Speaker 2: the guys on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.

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Speaker 1: A new episode of Every Sunday.

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Speaker 2: your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate all of.

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Speaker 2: You hanging out with us as we are rolling through

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Speaker 2: the Monday edition of the program.

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Speaker 1: So you may have been watching, I know on Fox News.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they were showing it on CNN

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Speaker 2: or the other news and networks, but they have officially

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Speaker 2: sentenced the parents of the Michigan school shooter to ten

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Speaker 2: to fifteen years in prison. They were convicted of basically

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Speaker 2: negligent acts relating to the murderer of their son, who

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Speaker 2: was a school shooter at Oxford High School. It's about

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Speaker 2: forty miles north of Detroit. That kid, their son, has

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Speaker 2: been sentenced to life in prison. Prosecutors saw it ten

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Speaker 2: to fifteen years. I'm reading from the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 2: citing what they called a lack of remorse by the

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Speaker 2: sentencing they were convicted as, according to prosecutors, unconcerned about

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Speaker 2: their son's deteriorating mental state, failing to take him home

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Speaker 2: after a troubling meeting with school officials the day of

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Speaker 2: the shooting, failing to securely store the gun used in

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Speaker 2: the attack. They said they were unaware of their son's

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Speaker 2: mental health issues and didn't know about what was going

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Speaker 2: on here. I actually I may be in the minority here.

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Speaker 2: I think a huge part of much of these mass shootings,

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Speaker 2: particularly when they involved minors, is all directly connected to

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Speaker 2: parental failure. And I know we want to talk about

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Speaker 2: the FBI and what laws were violated by oftentimes these

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Speaker 2: kids getting guns, But when I look at this data,

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Speaker 2: it's very rare that somebody who goes out and commits

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Speaker 2: a mass shooting hasn't provided a huge laundry list of

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Speaker 2: potential clues that this was.

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Speaker 1: Going to happen.

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Speaker 2: And I think parents have to be responsible for their

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Speaker 2: minor kids when it comes to access to firearms, and

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Speaker 2: in this particular case, there's pretty clear evidence that this

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Speaker 2: kid was planning a mass shooting, and the parents just

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Speaker 2: seem to be kind of willfully blind. It's always concerning,

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Speaker 2: I think, when you have a situation that people are

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Speaker 2: being held responsible for the acts of another person that

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Speaker 2: they could have prevented in terms of the precedent that

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Speaker 2: it sets.

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Speaker 1: That's the part of this clay.

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Speaker 2: If we could trust that prosecutors in this country would

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Speaker 2: only act in situations like this where they're clearly these parents,

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Speaker 2: you know, they they are they fail as human beings, right,

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Speaker 2: they fail this parents is just the.

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Speaker 1: Way I would say it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like basically, well yeah, but both I'm saying they

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Speaker 2: there's clear failures, and it's not to in any way

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Speaker 2: mitigate or defend their conduct, but it's what is the

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Speaker 2: legal precedent that this then creates going forward. And you know,

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Speaker 2: you have to remember that there are people out there

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Speaker 2: who are already, as we were just talking about what's

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Speaker 2: going on with Trump, they wield the prosecutor's office as

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Speaker 2: a political and as a partisan tool, and that's become

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Speaker 2: holding people holding people to account. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: how do you think a far left wing progressive judge

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Speaker 2: start with that would view a parent who like refuses

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Speaker 2: to listen to the entreaty of you know, transgenderism and

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Speaker 2: then commit suicide.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, there.

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Speaker 2: Are you know, at that point you might say, well,

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Speaker 2: you know these parents, were they you know, was there

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Speaker 2: some kind of misconduct on their part because they didn't

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Speaker 2: believe that there should be gender surgery. I understand that's

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Speaker 2: an extreme example, but I just mean, what's the line here, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have conspiracy statutes, we have accessory statutes.

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Speaker 2: There are things where you can be held liable, criminally

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Speaker 2: liable where you didn't actually do the terrible thing, but

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Speaker 2: you were not stopping the terrible thing. That's this is new.

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Speaker 2: This is why we're talking about it. That's a new thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's a challenge.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't I don't disagree with the precedent

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Speaker 2: when it comes to violent acts that are committed by

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Speaker 2: minors outside of the home of the press. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, I would say, and I don't know that

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Speaker 2: this has occurred. But remember the Kansas City shooting that

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Speaker 2: everybody wanted to immediately call a mass shooting, and then

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Speaker 2: as soon as it turned into ganglay and violence, nobody cared.

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Speaker 2: If you're that like that, I think they found out

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Speaker 2: that there were teenagers involved in that shooting. But so

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Speaker 2: are we gonna start locking up the parents of carjackers

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Speaker 2: in DC who a lot of them are like sixteen,

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Speaker 2: seventeen years old. You're gona tell me those parents don't

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Speaker 2: know that the kids got a gun, don't know the

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Speaker 2: kids a problem, don't you know? Sometimes they end up

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Speaker 2: killing people during those carjackings. I mean, you know, this

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Speaker 2: is I just wonder where to line think. I think

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Speaker 2: it's interesting. I think more parental responsibility in general is

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Speaker 2: a good trend. You know, they'll they'll hold parents responsible

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Speaker 2: for kids who don't show up at school. Yeah, in

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Speaker 2: some jurisdictions, I think that's pushing it somewhat. But I

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Speaker 2: just really, again, if we're trying to restrict minor violence,

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Speaker 2: I think sending a message that parents have to be

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Speaker 2: responsible on some level is not is not about I

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Speaker 2: like the message. I just I'm consumed abuse the abuse

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Speaker 2: that the precedent sets up or future