1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Wind Down and Radio podcast and Sarah Scratch Good Morning, Ballaltimore. 2 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: I just watched a musical I'm really feeling it Sprays 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: based in Baltimore. Um, yeah you never seen Yeah, I've 4 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: never seen it. But okay, okay, um great? Oh my god. 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: I love musicals, though, really I just cannot get behind 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: I could never get behind John Travolta being the mom 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: what it's complicated. He dresses up like a woman. Yeah. 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: I just couldnt get behind it. I just feel like 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: there's so many other talented women. Yeah, I could play 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: a woman. Yeah, but that's kind of the thing about 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: the character. It's always been played by a guy. Yeah, 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: I know. It was Harvey fire Steen on Broadway. It's 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: just John. It's just John. What's your favorite musical? Okay, 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: so here we go. Um so my first favorite was 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: To Get Right But that's okay, fine, really quickly. Um. Greece, 16 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: no question, Mamma Mia, no question. I've never seen any 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: of them besides Greece on the movies. Was that Grease? 18 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: What what like? You saw? That was all on Broadway? 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've only been I've only been to 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: one Broadway show. Just talking about Broadway, Well, those are 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: those are on Broadway and they're also films, Okay, films, right, 22 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Across the Board, Okay. And my favorite 23 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean like I could watch them on repeat, you know, 24 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: because sometimes favorite are like I don't know what do 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 1: you mean by favorite? Like I could watch Greece hundred 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: times in a row. Lad Um, this is not going 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: to be This is not gonna be a popular But 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Wow, we couldn't get through the 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: first five minutes true story twice twice. I haven't And 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't know why I haven't seen it. It's like, 31 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: give me five minutes before you start jump into thinking. 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. While the Land it might be like this, 33 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: but like my attraction to musical, so like my dream 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: is to be in like the end main sequence. So 35 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: is there like a lot of like like I love 36 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: the theatrics. I think that was in the very of it. 37 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: And that's where like in Hair Spray the Last you 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: can't serve the motion in the ocean. I'll tell you 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: there's a great climactic song in La La Land. Oh 40 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: it's your thing, and you haven't seen it. I know, 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why. I just didn't happen. You know 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: what I actually did like was pitch Perfect, Oh phenomenal perfect. 43 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: I love those. I love that. I haven't seen any 44 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: of those. I didn't see three, but I love the 45 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: most at Musical Girl. But I will say I did 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: like rocket Man because I was bummed when I went 47 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: so went sout in theaters and then they started singing, 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, it's one of these. 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: Do you don't want them to sing? No, not like that, 50 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: like I like. I like um Rhapsody, that kind of thing. 51 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: They're just I can't don't even get me going. Do 52 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: you like it? I can't even talk. They're not they're 53 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: not they're not. He's not singing, but like talking, that's 54 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: that's hard. Yeah, I know. I just love to sing along. 55 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: I love to sing along. So if it was a 56 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: slee Dion, um, hey, I would I would watch Maybe 57 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: you could play her um never that's like adult um 58 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: honorable mention would have to be um Jersey boys. Never said. 59 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: I saw that on Broadway. Loved it. I'm like an 60 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: old woman. I like old music. That's so interesting. 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I just related to them so much. 106 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: I mean, like blue collar queens New York and the 107 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: fact that the stories, like the way they talked to 108 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: each other was so real and not that nice. So 109 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean and Kevin, they were just both so funny 110 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: and funny. Yeah, they were. They had a chemistry that 111 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have. You'd like, take that 112 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: for granted. How is Kevin as a person. I've always 113 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: been a big fans. I was just curious. But if 114 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: she was like, he's a huge dick, just like, um, 115 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: he was really funny. That means it was a really 116 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: funny guy. That's that is tough, though, when you meet 117 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: someone that you're so excited to meet and then they're 118 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: not great. Because that's happened a couple of times were 119 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: even you know, just from being out in the road 120 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: or movies. It's it's shocked when they don't live up 121 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: to the expectation that you want them to live up to. 122 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: And it's so sad because it's oh, it's so sad. 123 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: They're really good actors though, Yeah, they act really well. 124 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: You know who's really nice is Ray Romano. He was 125 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: on the show. He's a really sweet guy. He's so nice. 126 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: I actually funny story about Ray was what, yeah, well Vegas, 127 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: so well, that's a really funny story. I don't even 128 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: remember that. I was like, oh, I wasn't at all. 129 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: We we got like pulled into his comedy thing in 130 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: Vegas one time because well, he was saying something he 131 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: was performing. We went to because David Spade is a 132 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: friend of our producer, and so we were all, you know, 133 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: going to the show, and then Ray said something about 134 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean, who would get married in Vegas? And I 135 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: was like, well I didn't those like member, yeah I was. 136 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: And then then then he like he's like he picked 137 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: us apart. It was so funny. But he's like the 138 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: nice student over. My story though, was I met him 139 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: on the Asian Incabo and he was these kids and 140 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: he was just the nicest dude was bothering him. But 141 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: when someone did come up to him, he's like, oh hey, yeah, 142 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: what's up. Like he was so nice and he stayed. 143 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: But back to you though, I mean, how long have 144 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: you been writing for um twenty years. I've been in this, 145 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 1: doing this for twenty years. Yeah. Do you know Rachel Specter, 146 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: She writes on Crazy Ex Girlfriends. She's had a few 147 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: pilots picked up from c W. She as a writer. 148 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: She worked on Okay, my friend at the W and 149 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: developed that show. Okay, so we So I was on 150 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: a show called One Tree Hill and she was one 151 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: of the writers on the show. But I'm curious because 152 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: I from you know, being a friend and hearing all 153 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: the stories about being a woman in a writer's room, 154 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: which is primarily a very male driven room. Is that changing? 155 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: How is that? Because I mean, I know, I mean 156 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: she our our creator of One Trail went down from 157 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: the stuff that he did, from some of the things. 158 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: Even he was horrible when he was bad to us, 159 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: He was bad to the writers, and he was terrible 160 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: and they one of the rs you know, her and 161 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: Audrey and Audrey and Rachel were the ones that also 162 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: were the start of like taking him down essentially because 163 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: he was so bad. But I mean just the stories 164 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: that I heard of how he the creator was talking 165 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: to the women in that room as in sexual or 166 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: just mean and actual, but also demeaning too. Yeah, that's 167 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: the thing where I feel like men are just like 168 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: they'll laugh at some of the guy's comments. Within the 169 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: girls are like, oh, that's cute, what a cute line, 170 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: but she's like, no, this is like a way better 171 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: than what he just wrote. But then you're laughing at 172 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: the guy's joke. There's so understand the female show. Yeah, 173 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: there's so much of that. And um, first of all, 174 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: there's like a quota of women that have to be 175 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: in a room, So there's always a thing or is 176 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: that there's always been like less comedy, less females in 177 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: a room. And it's like, now you know you have 178 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: to hire a certain amount of every kind of person, 179 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: but it's there's always less women in a room, and 180 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: women are deemed less funny. And I've worked with some 181 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: really bullying, um, some really bullying showrunners and um there 182 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: were ones that make you stay late at night because 183 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: they don't want to go home. There was one that 184 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: I worked for the drank a lot and he used 185 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: to come in smelling like you've waked. Every time I 186 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: was in the room with him, I would hear the 187 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: song closing Time in my head, and it was like 188 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: working in a like it was like working in a 189 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: brad house, like after the party, like an after morning. Yeah, 190 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: after hours when the lights are on and you have 191 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: to come up with jokes. But did you have kids 192 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: at this time? Yes, and I little kids, and I 193 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: want to go home to or I want to go anywhere. Yeah, 194 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to yoga or something, or I 195 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: didn't want it. I would did not want to stay there. 196 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: So and you're a prisoner. You're totally held captive because 197 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: they don't want it, they want to hold cord or 198 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: they don't get enough respect at home, so this is 199 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: their you know, forum. And then those are the people 200 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: who always complain about other show runners who did the 201 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: same thing to them. So it's so um the cycle 202 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: of abuse. But this one showrunner, so I said to 203 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: the producer, one of the producers, I said, you know, 204 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: he reeks of alcohol, and she was like, well, he 205 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: drinks a lot of wine at night, so he comes 206 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: and smelling like that. And I was like, I eat 207 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: a lot of cool whip at night and I don't 208 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: come in smelling like that. I mean, maybe I do, 209 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: but it was so it was just awful. And then 210 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: because it's a guy, a woman could never get away 211 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: with that, she would never come back. I mean, this 212 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: person is so successful now. It really is such a 213 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: double standard still, but the rooms have changed because of 214 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: the me too stuff where everyone will be like do 215 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: you feel safe? You feel safe? And it's not as 216 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: fun in a way in a certain but the bullying 217 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: still stays and that's not called out as much. So 218 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad about that. About One Tree Hill, I mean, yeah, 219 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: I did not know that. That's wild. It happened on 220 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Mike and Molly where the first showrunner was was um fired? 221 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: That was like pre me too? And he was fired 222 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: and everyone went to HR. It started with one person 223 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: on the set and then everyone was called into HR 224 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: and he got fired. But how can we stop the 225 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: bullying though? Or is that just was topped tire? That's 226 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: always gonna It's just gonna happen. Well, I wrote something 227 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: in the book about that, about how that happened to me, 228 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: And finally I just stood up and was like, because 229 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: because you have this, like it's a trade off for 230 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: working in this business. And I remember someone saying, well, 231 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: he bought your house, and then me thinking, yeah, he 232 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: bought my house, he bought my house, that's true. I 233 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: have to put up with this. And then I was like, no, 234 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: I bought my house, and I don't have to take 235 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: this because it's so it's just so punishing and damaging 236 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: and you don't have to. So I wrote about it 237 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: and then someone said someone who read an early copy 238 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: was like, that took guts, and I changed the names. 239 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: And then they said that took guts and I was like, 240 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't have guts. What do you mean it took guts? 241 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: I woke up in the middle of the night. I 242 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: was like, no, no no, no, I don't have guts. You 243 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: knew who that was. And she was like, I was 244 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: really brave of you. I'm like, no, I'm not brave. 245 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm not brave. But then you have to be. And 246 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: then I thought if I could help like younger writers 247 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: and younger women and people you know, not have you 248 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to be in that atmosphere. And there's a 249 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: lot of bullying so and there's a lot of ego, 250 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of narcissism, and it's just so unnecessary. 251 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: Do with the bullying. Do men get Do men writers 252 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: get bullied as well? Sometimes yes, from female show unders, 253 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: No but exactly, I've not seen that note and unless 254 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: the Shawonda Rhimes is like, I mean, I don't but 255 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: she's pretty powerful, right, Yeah, I don't know her at all. Okay, 256 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: but i'd be afraid of her. But in a but 257 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: I would be afraid of her for sure. I guess 258 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: my my question around that is, I mean, naturally, I 259 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: can I can't imagine that women do get bullied more 260 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: than men, and maybe they don't take your word as 261 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: heavy as men do. But if just for just to 262 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: defend males, I guess this is for all the men 263 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: out there. No, no, no no, no, no. All I'm saying 264 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: is if if it is equal, if men are getting 265 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: bullied too, and women writers are getting bullied and men 266 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: writers are getting bullied, then that's just part of equality. Right. 267 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying any bullying is right, I'm not saying 268 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: any of that, but but I'm just saying, if it 269 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't be fair, if okay, everyone's ever sensitive. You can't 270 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: say anything quote unquote mean to a woman, but then 271 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: to the men you can call them whatever you want 272 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: and degrade him or whatever, and they just have to 273 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: take it. No, I don't think so at all, right, 274 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: But that's where that's the trend that some places are 275 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: going where it's like, if you're doing a bad job, 276 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: can someone say, hey, you let up? Is that bullying? 277 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: That's different? So yeah, that's different, and actually that's fine, 278 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: that's that's a whole different thing. It's just that I 279 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: worked on one show that I the only show I 280 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: ever left at sixteen, was that there were men who 281 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: were who claimed to be so equal, and they were 282 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: such misogynists and they would not listen when any woman 283 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: said a thing. And I was like, I could be home. 284 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: This is such a waste of my time. I have 285 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: to get out of here. Like everything you say, they 286 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: just it was just these old, archaic men just running 287 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: the show and not listening to a word any women said. 288 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: And it was very obvious. And I think that's the 289 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: problem right now in a lot of the writer's rooms 290 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: is because of that, where it's like, I mean I 291 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: remember walking into the little trailer here and all the 292 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: writers and they were just like you know, Audrey and 293 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: Rachel just sitting there, all these like older guys, and 294 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: it's just I mean you could just feel that they're 295 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: just getting pushed her out. That's everywhere, right that's any 296 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: kind of because it's I still think that, you know, 297 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: the girls have the best jokes or the best this, 298 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: or the best that's in any industry, and that's not 299 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: right at all. But it's like the whole Madman era, 300 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or it's just like that's 301 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: that's how it is, and it's just going to take 302 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: more time for that to change. That's why, Like do 303 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: you think maybe now, like going forward, like as like 304 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: you know these let's just say like millennials or or 305 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: people men in their thirties right now or forties as 306 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: they grow up, do you think it could change? Because, 307 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: like you said, these men are so archaic and like 308 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: the way that they look at everything, Like, do you 309 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: think there's room for the next era to be a 310 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: little bit more open and equal? And I do because 311 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: these men that I worked with were I thought I 312 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: was in a fever dream where it was people whose 313 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: credits I saw. I thought everyone in there had died 314 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: and I was in some kind of and then there 315 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: was one comedian, this like famous comedian who was in 316 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: the room with us too, who I love, and I 317 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: was like, okay, he'd be in that dream because I 318 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: that's normal to have a dream with like a weird star, 319 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: and then the rest of them were just dead people 320 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: that I thought weren't around anymore. And they were very 321 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: popular in the eighties. They worked in the eighties during 322 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: that time, and they completely have not evolved, So there 323 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: definitely is a change. But the me too stuff. Everyone 324 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: is so careful now in comedy rooms. It's not as 325 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: fun and to your point about it's not being as 326 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: fun even being on set, like I it's it's fun, 327 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: not saying it's okay to flirt, it's not, but it's 328 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: just it's fun to do the banter. But it's like 329 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: if everyone's so careful what they say now, I'm like, Okay, 330 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: I know I call babe to everybody. Might not have 331 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: to call this person a babe. He thinks they're all like, 332 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, just like joke around. I don't think, yes, 333 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think that. It's like, come on, 334 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: like someone got fired from a show for saying, like ladies, 335 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: it was crazy like that just what you mean, just 336 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: like you know, the ladies something or calling someone a lady. 337 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: I don't even know exactly what I want contact, but like, um, ladies, 338 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: would you like like I mean, I call everyone girl. 339 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: I mean I call man girl. I'm like, what's up, girl? 340 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: Like I don't actually, yeah, like I don't even and 341 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: and they're fine with that, but you have to be 342 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: so sensitive. But someone said something about ladies and I'm 343 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: sorry that I don't have the exact story. I forgot, 344 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: but it was so crazy and then careers are ruined. 345 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 1: So everyone's so hyper sensitive. But the other side of 346 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: that is that the bullying of even like so if 347 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm a woman and a man is gay and he 348 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: harasses me not in a sexual way, or he bullies 349 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: people the whole me too era has, they're they're exempt 350 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: from that, like like if I had a boss, If 351 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 1: I had a boss, that was it's the same thing 352 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: as having a bossh as a woman, who's who's mean? 353 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm not making sense, But the bullying thing is not 354 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 1: included in the me too stuff, and it should be like, 355 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: that's emotional abuses, and that sometimes is even for lack 356 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: of better words, it's the emotional abuse that's that's just 357 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: as bad, but it's totally overlooked and it's so stupid 358 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: because it could be so much fun, and it usually 359 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: is fun. But there are men that were bullied I 360 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: saw get like completely diminished, just like everyone else. Do 361 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: you think your example about you know someone who's a 362 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: homosexual that is bullying or maybe mean they're untouchable, because 363 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: then it becomes about people are insensitive to their sexuality, 364 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: and it becomes about you're only saying this is on 365 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: this way it could be. And also it's that they're 366 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: not sexually harassing you. So if you're a woman, so 367 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: they're so how seals. But the emotional stuff is just 368 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: as bad. So there's like all kinds of shaming. But 369 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: it's fun for them. I mean, I'm still doing in 370 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: a room and laughing. I love my job. I love 371 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: being in a room and laughing. It's such a privilege 372 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: to get to do it, to be on a set 373 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 1: and laugh all day. I mean, to wear sweatpants and 374 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 1: put my feet up on a table and eat snacks 375 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: all day and laugh. I mean, it's the best. And 376 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: I grew up watching so much TV that all I 377 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: wanted to do is be in that world, and then 378 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: getting to do it is amazing. It's amazing to write 379 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: jokes for people that you always look up to. It's fantastic. 380 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: Did you always know you wanted to be on this 381 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: side of it or did you ever want to be 382 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: in front of the camera? Did want to be? I 383 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: used to do commercials in my mirror growing up all 384 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: the time, and I would do like the the ones 385 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: with the soap on half your face, like the deodorant 386 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: soap on half your face, and then the like dove 387 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: on the other side, and then like half my face. 388 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: I would be like, the dove side is smooth, the 389 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: zest side is stinging really badly, and the bleating, and 390 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: I would just look like a half my face was 391 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: like a burn victim. But I used to do news 392 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: reports in my mirror, like always wanted to be on TV. 393 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: But then what was the change? I just don't First 394 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: of all, I couldn't act, and also I'm such a 395 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to be in a corner just writing, like 396 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I like to be under a table behind the scenes, 397 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: not looked at stuff like that. But I did stand 398 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: up for a little while. And I do like storytelling 399 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: and stuff like at this cabaret. So what shows are 400 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: you currently doing right now? I'm developing my own stuff now, 401 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: So you like developing anything? Yes, yes, yes, And I'm 402 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: going to develop the book at some point. Yeah, so 403 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to like get my own stuff really cool 404 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: and like then you're the boss of it. That's what's 405 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: so cool, you know, because you're able to take their 406 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: reins and then you can change how you want the 407 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: rooms to be and take control of it. Yes, completely, 408 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: And I want to like get in and get out, 409 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: like you want to like go You're decisive and you 410 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: want to go home, and how do you My son 411 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: just turned twelve and the girl, the girls turning ten 412 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: and two weeks. Um she has been easier in the way. 413 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: He has a lot of um unpacking, as the head 414 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: of his school said, his principle, he has a lot 415 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: of emotional unpacking. He has every world. Yes, I was like, 416 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: it's um, it's so the boy has my son has 417 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: a lot of um like A D, D, A D, H, 418 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: D O, C D every letter just like write the 419 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: alphabet and I'll tell you what to cross out. He 420 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: has all the letters. So and that's crazy because I'm 421 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: not I'm not laughing, you can I have such And 422 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: he's a really old soul. Like when he was born, 423 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: he looked around like I just died. Oh, Like I 424 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: why am I back here? What am I wearing me 425 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: back here? He picked his head up right away and 426 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: then he put it back down, but he never smiled 427 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: as a baby. He's like, I can't believe I like, 428 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: I just had a heart attack in eight miles and 429 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm back. They never gave him one of my friends 430 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: as they never gave him that shot that makes you 431 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: a new soul. So he's worried about chafing since he's 432 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: like seven. He was obsessed with Elton John when he 433 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: was eight, and he would constantly have to be listening 434 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: to Elton John and carry around an iPad and I 435 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: would be in my driveway screaming, you cannot bring Elton 436 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: John to a sleepover party. You are ruining Elton John 437 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: for everyone. And he was eight, yes, yes, completely, And 438 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: whenever he was anxious, he would say he would like 439 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: he would be like Alexa shuffle songs by Elton John, 440 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: and he was I loved it too. But then you know, 441 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: like one night he was like, mom, I was leaving 442 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: his room and it was playing and he was like, yeah, 443 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: I go, do you know what someone saved my life 444 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: tonight is about I'm like what, and he said Elton 445 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: John was about to marry a woman who was using 446 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: him for his own money. I think he was seven, 447 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: who was using him for his money, and his best 448 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: friend told him that and and he didn't marry her. 449 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: And then um, I was like, okay, good night. Do 450 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: you want to read good night Moon? So then recently 451 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: we were in the song in the car and I 452 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: was singing rocket Man, and I was like, rocket Man 453 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: burning on the fumes of heaven long, like I've been 454 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: singing it like that for forty years. And he's in 455 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: the back seat and he just goes burning on the 456 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: fuse up here alone. And then I was like, the 457 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: touchstone brings me round, I get to your ball, and 458 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: he's like, the touchdown brings me round. I get to 459 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: find learn the lyrics just he was eleven. Yes, so 460 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: he's a very old soul and a lot of stuff 461 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: like from your from your side, I think from me. Well, 462 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: it's funny because his anxiety when we went to like 463 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: therapy for him, the therapist that I don't need to 464 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: see him, I need to see you. And I was like, 465 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm not the one with ANSI so heat, but I am, 466 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: but he gets it from me. So I feel really 467 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: bad because a lot of it is my own stuff 468 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: that I like genetic, like I'm so anxious. I have 469 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: a d h D for sure, just undiagnosed and not 470 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: makes sense. And I definitely have like O c D. 471 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: Like if they if something happens on one side of 472 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: my body, it has to happen on the other. So 473 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: my god, that's oh my god. If I don't, so 474 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: if I'm rubbing his right foot, he'll be like, okay, 475 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: do my laugh and then no, I'm done. It's like 476 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm done. I get super serious. I might 477 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: know you have to do have to we can't do 478 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: it ourselves. It's the same pressure. So my daughter even 479 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: this morning and she knews hard. You know. Now, I'm 480 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: like this, and it's hard to discipline someone when you're 481 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: like tapping both shoulders. But um, you're like, go to bed, 482 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: get in your room. But um, this morning she stepped 483 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: on my foot and I screamed, your daughter, my daughter. 484 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: And then I was popping around going step on the 485 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: other one, step on the other one, and I'm trying 486 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: to step on the other one. And I had to 487 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: wear a shoe. I had to find a sneak or 488 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: like it's crazy, but they know they'll just leave me hanging. 489 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: So anyway, so his stuff comes from me. She is 490 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: she is so strong willed and so because she was 491 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: like the quote unquote easier one, but she's not because 492 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: she's so dramatic. And also she wants attention for bad things, 493 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: like she'll wear a finger because he always got that, 494 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: like if she wrote a book, it would be my 495 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: life in waiting rooms, I know, but not as much anymore. 496 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: But um, she she's getting she's she has an educational therapist, 497 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: so it's she'll be fine. She has her own problems, 498 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: but she speak therapy like yes, just yesterday and I 499 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: was just said, I took her the to the doctor, 500 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: the old she's three and a half and I went 501 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: there and I think she's bipolar. And my daughter's like, no, 502 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: she's just three. I'm like no, Like I genuinely I did, 503 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: because I was very concerned because it's it's one minit 504 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: to the next second. I mean, she's when I took 505 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: her to get the nails on the other day, she 506 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: was losing her mind and I was like, Julie, I can't. 507 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: She keep saying to Michael and I two minutes, two minutes, 508 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: what baby like? And she doesn't know how to really 509 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: talk very well. But then two seconds later there she's 510 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: like I'm happy, and yes, the same thing I used 511 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: to say she was in Manila. But yeah, she does 512 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: the same thing. She will if she will cry her 513 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: eyes out and scream and then be fine. And I 514 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: was like, that's Oscar Award win it if she could 515 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: turn it on and off like that. Well she don't. 516 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: They don't even cry. But then when I do cry afterwards, 517 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, so, what's on Bravo? Well she also normal 518 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: at nine o'clock at night, like if she's it's usually 519 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: she turns into a bad drunk. Like she doesn't drink obviously, 520 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: but her attitude like she turns into like Dorinda from 521 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: the York House after like and tonics, Like she is 522 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: exactly like her a sudden funny Yes she'll just yes, 523 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: she'll just get but she'll get mean and she'll start 524 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: falling down and like she's turning tenn care about my 525 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: life and then yeah, get into bed like she just 526 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: like she just will scream and she turns. And we 527 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 1: were at Nordstroom one night like nine o'clock and I 528 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: was like over like the whole department I was like, 529 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: she's turning, and she's like stop it, like she just 530 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: gets mean. But she starts out as like happy and 531 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: very affectionate, so I know she's about to turn. So 532 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 1: I'm like, she's turning. Get her in bed, get her 533 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: in bed. There is a letter, get her home. There 534 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: is really a limit where it's like, if we don't 535 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: go home now, we're going to like watch like an 536 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: exorcist happen awful, it's terrible. And she starts out like Diranda, 537 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: like touchy feely, like so open and nice, and then 538 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden she makes it nice and then 539 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: she makes the turn. So the turn, because that's why 540 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: you yell. Yeah, see I beg and I yell, and 541 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: then I apologize. I have no they have no like 542 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: even my dogs, I have no respect for me. I'm 543 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: like at the bottom of the pack. I mean, I'm 544 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: just like she'd I scream and yell and then she's say, 545 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: can you sit in my chair? I mean, I'm still 546 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: sitting in their chairs at night. They both have their 547 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: they're like, so my son, we couldn't sleep train because 548 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: he kept making himself throw up. So he's still in 549 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: our bed and he's twelve. No judgment. I'm just I 550 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: have so much judgment. I'm just like, well, it's how 551 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: do we work this out of your bed? I don't 552 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: even like where where dude and your husband sex um 553 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: not obviously not while he's not no, not a ton 554 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm just no not. It's hard once you've seen someone 555 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: doing like being a parent. He just looked at Mike 556 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: and gave him like hard, like it's really hard, but 557 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: it's also well there. They left for Sleepway camp this morning, 558 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: so what does that mean? So will be First of all, 559 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: I was like a little sad and my daughter was 560 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: sobbing and I started screaming at her again because I 561 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: feel like she just wants me to send her things. 562 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: She always ends it with will you send me presents? Camp? 563 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: They went to camp like where they stay and I'm 564 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 1: not allowed to call them overnight camp. Oh it's the 565 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 1: best I went my whole life. Oh I've never been 566 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: to a kimp like, oh my god. My son has 567 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: not has gone for like, he's gone Sleepway camp like 568 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: four times, four different sessions. So should we start and 569 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: not sleeping there when he comes back. He's yes, but 570 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: he sleeps so his dove soap. The bird is still 571 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: carved in the soap. I've sent him with the same 572 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: bar of soap for two years in a row, like 573 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: four camps. And last year he didn't even know the 574 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: They lost his bag with his towels and stuff in 575 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: it and his sheets. So he wrote us a letter 576 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: because he's ninety, and he was like, I'm having an 577 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: amazing I'm having a great time at camp. However you 578 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: forgot to pack. The following he was tent and he 579 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: said sheets, towels, soap, and I was like, it's in 580 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: your laundry bag, and they didn't give it to him. 581 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: So we showed up and he was using like he was. 582 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: He didn't care. He's like mom, I didn't shower once. 583 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: He loved it. He's disgusting. Boys are gropes. My little 584 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 1: boy right now is the most part. He's well does 585 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: he eight months? So jealous? They're still cute. The love 586 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: of my life. Oh my god, boys are better. He's amazing. Yeah, 587 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: the stinky stage that I'm not ready for. This is deodorant. 588 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: Use it. I try, I try, and here's well, she 589 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: doesn't smell great either. I'll tell you what she cares more. 590 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: I got her I've gotten her facials already. She has 591 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: like pores and I'm I made her do tob Or strips, 592 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: which is my favorite, but he obsessed. I love it 593 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: so much. When my husband and I get into an 594 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: argument and he knows he's wrong, his way of apologizing 595 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: is just coming out of the bathroom with the Bory strips. 596 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: FI years. Especially with the industry that you're in and 597 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: two kids, that is very crazy. I know. He's so supportive. 598 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: We actually did um. I wrote this pilot called Poor Todd. 599 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: His name is Todd and it's about us, and he 600 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: directed it. He's it was for his real try and direct. 601 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: Actually Two Broke Girls came back again. We were going 602 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: to have him direct because this pilot came out, so 603 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: I didn't. So I wrote the script and I said, 604 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: why don't we produce it and he can shoot it? 605 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: And he's so I expected to be like stick figures 606 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: and like and because I don't really know what he does, 607 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: and because I don't listen to the entire because the 608 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: h I don't listen. So and also he works in 609 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: post production, which is after what the writers do. So 610 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: I always he's like, you don't even know what I do? 611 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: And I say, writers don't know what the post people do. 612 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: And he's like, but you're married to one. That doesn't matter. Yeah, 613 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: like that's your like after is your problem. But anyway, 614 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: so he directed it and then it won and I 615 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: was very hands off. I didn't go to the set. 616 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: I was working, and he directed in four days and 617 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: the actors did it for free and they all got 618 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: worked out of it and stuff and um it won 619 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: the New York Pilot Festival and the l A Comedy Festival. 620 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: So it was good. Yeah, and then what happened though 621 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: something it hangs over a marriage, like a like a 622 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: very expensive cloud. No, it's good it you know, it's hard. 623 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can say this, but it's 624 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: hard for a white guy who's forty to get directing 625 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: work an acting job. That is what it is. So 626 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could say it is. And 627 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: that I was talking to to talk about that, that's 628 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: a big No, it's it's huge. Because I was talking 629 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: to my agent. I call her the day and I 630 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: was like, hey, like, what's going on, Like I'm about 631 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: to lose my SAG insurance, Like I have not worked 632 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: in a year. She's like, well, you're pregnant. La. I 633 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: was like, it does not know. I was like, I've 634 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: tested every single pilot season. I didn't test once last 635 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: years and it's so crazy. I was like, what, I 636 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: can't even get in the freaking room anymore. She was honestly, 637 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: it's reverse discriminations. And I was like, well, that's not fair. 638 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, we can't say anything. And I'm going to 639 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: get for probably saying this now on here because people 640 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,479 Speaker 1: are going to be like, well, you know, I'm like, 641 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: come on, just like we all have a fair equal opportunity. 642 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: It's not a fair thing. So he's if he was 643 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: doing this, so if he got frustrating, it's going to 644 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, and it's his too. It's all he wants 645 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: to do and he hasn't got into programs because he's 646 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: a white Like he's also if he being a white 647 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: female is great right now, but not in if you're 648 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: directing world but not a male. And people said to me, 649 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: people said to him, if your wife directed this, then 650 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: it would have been bought and she would have had 651 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: a directing career. Isn't that crazy? So he thought he 652 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: got like twenty five meetings with agents off of this 653 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: thing and producers and they were like, I can't take 654 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,239 Speaker 1: that on. So we were he would have gotten an 655 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: age and if like two Broke Girls came back and 656 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: he was on Supernatural for he like did all of 657 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: their posts for twelve years and they were going to 658 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: let him direct, and then they didn't because of the 659 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: same thing. It's really I have like a quota, and 660 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: it's the same thing in the writer's room. It's the 661 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: same thing, like you can't hire so many people I 662 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: know haven't gotten jobs, even like even white like girls 663 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: like you have to like sorry, I had you know, 664 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: I have a quota, and it's this it is total 665 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: reverse discrimination and if but it's also like if you 666 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: weren't considering these people before, then we wouldn't have this problem. 667 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: Like if you weren't considering diversity before, then it's the 668 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 1: same thing as women. But there's a woman quota too. 669 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: Women are definitely more. I think in drama there are 670 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,959 Speaker 1: more female writers, but in comedy there aren't as many. 671 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: So but the diversity thing, I mean, it just sucks 672 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: for him. So now he works at ABC in post. 673 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: But the directing thing is it definitely like it it 674 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: bothers me a little bit because I feel like he doesn't. 675 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't like bust is. He does bust his ass, 676 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: but he's not as neurotic as I am. So I 677 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: could tell this story. So one night, my husband, um my, 678 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: my I was out or something and my daughter. I 679 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: came home and my daughter was saying she didn't feel 680 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: well and I was like, you're fine, go to bed, 681 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I hear this gurgling 682 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: like plumbing backing up and she has a loft bed 683 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: and she just like threw up everywhere, like all like splashing. 684 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: And my husband was like holding a glass of like 685 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: scotch or something, so he was just holding it away, 686 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: and then I was cleaning it up, and I was like, oh, 687 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: Phoebe tried peppers. I'm so proud of you. And she 688 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: was like an anyway, so um and she's still throwing 689 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: up and she was and I'm like, oh and you had, 690 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: And I go, where did you get dinner from? And 691 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: Todd's like Grandville And I go, I go, is that 692 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: you got the chicken? And he goes yeah, because I 693 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: was cleaning it up and he goes he goes yeah, 694 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: And I go, Todd, we don't have grand chicken money anymore. 695 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: I go, I'm not two broke curls is over. I'm like, 696 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: you can't. And then I was like, you bought her 697 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: like the thirty dollar chicken. And then I'm like, did 698 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: you get me my the salad that I like? And 699 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: he goes no. I'm like you couldn't even you couldn't 700 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: even get me the salad and he's like no, And 701 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: I go, what's happening with your directing career? Like immediately, 702 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: like I don't know how I went from thirty dollar 703 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: chicken to like scrubbing the floor, Like are you gonna 704 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: do anything with that? Is like port just is that 705 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: just it? It's over? Or you're just not going to 706 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: try like I just went on. But it always comes 707 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: back to the directing, is what I'm saying. Like even 708 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: my daughter throwing up Grandville Chicken, which by the way, 709 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 1: I love Grandville. I was just mad about the salad. 710 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: He didn't get me a salad. Um. Everything goes back 711 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: to the it was. But I also understand his side 712 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: of it because he really couldn't catch a break and 713 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: he couldn't get into any programs. Even though people love 714 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: the pilot, They're like, we can't take that on that 715 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: we have a quote, you know, it's it's interesting. I 716 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: was just watching I love that show, Comedians and Cars 717 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: getting Coffee, Like god, I love it so much. My 718 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: god to that had a new season come out, and 719 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm just it's I can't wait. Is it out so funny, 720 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: It's hilarious, It's just perfect, it's just so good. It's 721 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: so him and Norm McDonald's. I was watching Norm McDonald's. 722 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: Did you see that one that was early on? And 723 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: Barack Obama what a great guy, I mean, amazing, But anyway, 724 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: go on. I love is like you're literally your Bravo moment. Yeah, 725 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: this is my moment. But I was watching the one 726 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: with Jamie Fox actually on the plane this morning, and 727 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: Jamie Fox was talking about something um that Chris Rock 728 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: and him and him had talked about, and it's kind 729 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: of about the reverse racism or reverse discrimination where it's like, 730 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, Chris Rock made the reference of you know, 731 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: for all the generations has been all like white people, 732 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, kind of running everything. He's like, the thing 733 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: is they have all that competition because there's so many 734 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: of them. He's like, there's only ten black guys, right, right, right. 735 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: It's the same thing with women. Though in comedy there's 736 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: only like I like, like maybe fifteen or ten of 737 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: or five of us that are there's not that many. 738 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: It's the same. So it's so it's like your husband, 739 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: it's like Janna, it's like, yes, we understand, everyone has 740 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: a quota, everyone should have their opportunity. Yes, but it 741 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: is hard because there's so many pretty white girls out there, 742 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: like Jenna going out for There's only so many you know, 743 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: Indian or whatever ethnic you know, actors or actresses that 744 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: are going out for these parts. Right, but if they 745 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: included them to begin with, then it wouldn't have been that. 746 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 1: It wouldn't be initially for sure. Now it's our forefathers. 747 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: Forefathers just left us up. You know. It is interesting 748 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: though when you go back to because Michael and I 749 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: will sometimes have agreements about this where, you know, because 750 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: we're very you know, I can tell if you're very 751 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: passionate too, and Michael is too. But sometimes how we 752 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: go about our work obligations or I'm like, let's do 753 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: this and then come on like call this person and 754 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: he's just like, oh you do, Like they're just more 755 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: and I'm just like let's go like because I don't 756 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: know when the next checks coming in or this, and 757 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: like so we have to let's be a little bit 758 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: more like but and we try to talk about where 759 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: it's not we have the same work ethic, but it's 760 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: not the same work plan. It's completely true. And also 761 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: worry about Yeah, I'm so neurotic. And I'm also worried 762 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: that like it's going to run out when he say 763 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: to him, even if we get like if we get 764 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: an email from our school that you know, they need 765 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: to see us about something, I will go to a 766 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: place of like we have to move because we're shamed. 767 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: Now I'll be looking at houses and military schools and 768 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: right now and I'm freaking out, and I'm like, we 769 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: are We're going to jail. Someone's going to jail here. 770 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,479 Speaker 1: And then I'll look over at my husband and he's 771 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: watching like a guinea pig dressed as a prince eating 772 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,399 Speaker 1: cheese on Facebook. Is true. I'm like, did you read 773 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: that email from the preschool that they just thought about 774 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: the cars being like we're going too, and he's like, 775 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: we're talking about yeah, it just doesn't just watching like 776 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: a funny like a like a squirrel like water skiing 777 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: on Facebook and like, what are you worried? And then 778 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: he said, I'll worry when there's something to worry about. 779 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: How do you I'm like, how do you live like that? 780 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: You don't worry? Now, worry up until there is there 781 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: isn't something to worry about, and then worry after all 782 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: the way up until the next thing to worry about. 783 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: Your ahead of having a great life. It's amazing. I 784 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't know any other way that I am happy. I'm like, 785 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: I just can't chay us. This is good. I do too. 786 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like my life going on. Janna creates it. 787 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: Something isn't here, he said here at eight, and it 788 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: just creates this whole thing. I'm not just like it 789 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: just keeps me. I'm like, oh, I just came up 790 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: with another great idea for like another show or this 791 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: or that, and then I go create something. I have 792 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: to ruin everything for myself too, Like I have to 793 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: sabotage every single thing that happens, like if my well, 794 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: if my husband. One time, my husband took my kids 795 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: away to Minneapolis for the weekend and I was going 796 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: to get to be alone, and I had to write 797 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: a script and and I got went to yoga. I 798 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: came out and my laptop was gone. So I called 799 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: my husband. I was like, I have to get a 800 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: new laptop today and I have to download everything. And 801 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: I lost my entire script. I lost the whole script. 802 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: I don't back anything up. There was no cloud. It 803 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: was like a few years. I didn't know about the cloud, 804 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: and um, there was nothing back up. There's no like 805 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: thumb drive, finger zip, nothing. And I was like, I 806 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: don't have anything discs and I freaked out. I ruined 807 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: the whole weekend for myself, downloading like different programs and 808 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And then I had the 809 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: worst weekend trying to remember my script and rewrite it. 810 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: I canceled all my plans. And then um, also we 811 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: had this dog, this our beloved lab who he he 812 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't let her up on the bed anymore because she 813 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: couldn't get down, and I disagreed, so I let her 814 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: on the bed and she wouldn't get down, couldn't get down, 815 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: and she had to and she was circling and circling 816 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: and circling, and I was like, oh, please please, And 817 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: I was like, spent the whole night, like making a 818 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: ramp out of couch cushions and dragging her down like 819 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: it was just and while my computer was like reloading 820 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: every like I was reloading a new computer. And then 821 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: like a few weeks later, it was the worst weekend. 822 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: A few weeks later, I stopped short and my laptop 823 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: slides out from under my front seat. I had just 824 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 1: it had ball. It slid. It wasn't stolen, So like 825 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: I had to ruin, ruin myself, like I have to, 826 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 1: I have to ruin everything. Another time they went away, 827 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: I forgot to feed my son's get and it was 828 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: get Go number I think it was. We had we 829 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: had replaced his get Go three times and so I was. 830 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: But then he found the third one dead. It was 831 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: terrible because he has a d h D. And it 832 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 1: was the one week that like we weren't on him 833 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: to water her and feed her, and he just it 834 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: was horrible. But anyway, so I forgot to feed her 835 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: and I was hysterically crying and racing home, and I 836 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: had a friend's husband come over to look for her 837 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: under a rock and then she was shriveled up but alive. 838 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: And then I stayed up for like two nights just 839 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: watching her. But they don't close their eyes. They just 840 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: have open eyes, so you don't know if they're dead 841 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: or alive. So I was just like hello, hello, yeah. 842 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: Every time it would move like the dogs and I 843 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 1: were like just what they wanted to eat her, but 844 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: they were just so it was it just was. I 845 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: had to ruin it. I have to ruin everything. Well, 846 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: but you know what you're not ruining though? What is 847 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: your amazing book? Because it's out now it's called Don't 848 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: Wait Up, Um okay, Elevator Pitch, Like, what is what's 849 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: the elevator story? The elevator story is that I grew up. 850 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: I'm estranged form my mother mother my biological mother, and 851 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: so no I was raised by my stepmother and my dad. 852 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: But um, she left when I was five. I have 853 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: memories of her, and she was horrible and very rstable. 854 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: She did come back and she she left when I 855 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: was five and then she like kidnapped me but it 856 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: was like botched And then I have more questions for 857 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: you too about Okay, so my mom was very awful 858 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: and did not take care of us and then um 859 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: and so I and I remember everything for or worse 860 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: I remember like things when I was five and four 861 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: and six and whatever, and then, um, she tried to 862 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: kidnap you. She did kidnap me, but she um, but 863 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: but she was so horrible. So I was basically I 864 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: have like the maternal instincts of a hot dog. So 865 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: all the stories are about my childhood and also about 866 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,399 Speaker 1: now being a mother and being I stay at work 867 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 1: because I'm afraid to go home and I'm afraid to 868 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: be with them. But then when I am, I'm always 869 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: amazed by how much I show up for them, Like 870 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: my son couldn't have all these issues and I wouldn't 871 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: think that, Like I'm always even shocked at how affectionate 872 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: I am and how like I show up for everything. 873 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: But I'm always shocked by it. Like my son needs 874 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: deep pressure to be calm. He used to so I 875 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: used to like press down on his head and things 876 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 1: like that, Like he's just so. But I couldn't imagine 877 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: him with my mother. She he would be a disaster. 878 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: So it's like things like that. So it's humor essays, 879 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: but it's also like it's a memoir, and it's a 880 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,959 Speaker 1: lot of like childhood serious stuff. And then I also 881 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: was a heavy kid. I wasn't as heavy as my 882 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: dad and stepmother told me I was. But um, they 883 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,919 Speaker 1: sent me to fat camp. So there's stuff about that 884 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: which was like prison. So that is such a thing. 885 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: Fat camp. It's a thing. Oh my god, Yes, it's 886 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: a thing. I just saw that one movie. That's the 887 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: only thing that Yeah, yeah, a future about it because 888 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: it was like, first of all, you learned to be 889 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: a criminal. You become a criminal that way, like you 890 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: learned to like score fudge. So two things. First of all, 891 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: they have bunk bed I was not and I was 892 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: really skinny the second summer, but you don't learn anything. 893 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: You go home and like you'll see each other in 894 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: September and you'll be like thin and you're like, I'm 895 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: going to regular camp next year. And then like as 896 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: the year goes on and then it's like March and 897 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: you're like busting out of your clothes and you're like, 898 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 1: I'll see you in July and then um, back the camp. 899 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: And it was called Camp Shane, which sounds like shame. 900 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: And then also there were bunk beds, which is ridiculous. 901 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: I slept under a girl her nick and was Bubba, 902 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: and she know she was like at least like two 903 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: d and fifty pounds, And I was terrified every creek. 904 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't even roll over. I was so nervous every 905 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: I was just up all night every night, but like 906 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: just scaring a spring, why would you have bunk that night? 907 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: And then also they would make us you didn't just 908 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 1: like swim. You had to you couldn't use the ladder 909 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: in the pool. You had to like hoist yourself like 910 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: just onto the pavement. He's like like young whales, and 911 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 1: then run to the other side of the pool. And 912 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: then if we played soccer and none of us would 913 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: have to run around the soccer field, and that we 914 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: had to do like run around the soccer field nine 915 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,840 Speaker 1: times and then play socceruld. And then when other camps 916 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: would come to play like sporting events with us, they 917 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: would always wear food on their shirts like they were 918 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: like a Hershey's kisses like and things like that, or 919 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: like it was on. It goes on. This camp is 920 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 1: still around Camp Shane Kiss, but then tests to change 921 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: the name. Also I know and it means beautiful please. 922 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: But meanwhile, also parents would if you got a package, 923 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: which I really didn't, but if you got a package 924 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,879 Speaker 1: and there was a stuffed animal in it. They would 925 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 1: just like rip the head off the stuffed animal to 926 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: search it for contraband. And by the way, parents would 927 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: send their kids candy, and my parents used to send 928 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: me candy and they would take it away. And I 929 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 1: truly think that's why I'm still addicted to this day 930 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: because but it wasn't like, yeah, it would kill me. 931 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 1: I'd watched them open my package and take my s 932 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: hours out and I'm like, what when, Oh, so you 933 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: went to sleep By camp. Yeah, oh that's at every camp, though. 934 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: I think you're not allowed to have like candies and stuff, 935 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: really are We always? We did in regular you know 936 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: what I think, because you're like in a bunk and 937 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: they don't want bugs and animals like creeping in. Oh yeah, 938 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: that was like the worst part about camp, but I 939 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,919 Speaker 1: got over it. We had and then the counselors would 940 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,760 Speaker 1: go out and like feet donuts and have like like 941 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: like breathe on us and stuff. That was so mean. 942 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: So do talk about fat camp and your by? Do 943 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: I talk about one trip to an amusement park that 944 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: we made where we were all going to can I 945 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: say we're all because people try camp? I talk about 946 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: my sentencings to back camp by my parents, which was 947 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: a little bit cruele. And then I talked about, Um, 948 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: I talk about one story about a trip to an 949 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: amusement parks, but there are so many stories, and you 950 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: were almost murdered. We went, um, no, we thought we 951 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: were going to be murdered. Um. When I was on 952 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 1: last man standing a bunch of us woman, it was 953 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 1: in so when can you said Tim Allen? Well, Tim 954 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: Allen's from Michigan. Hopefully it wasn't like we went to 955 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: Colorado where he grew up. Inn We went to Denver. 956 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: We had to look at his old house for some 957 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: reason where he grew up. No, yes, yes, I mean no, 958 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,319 Speaker 1: he's not nice. Can I say that he's not? But 959 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: he was nice to us that weekend, which was what 960 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 1: was so crazy. I thought we were going to be killed. 961 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: I was like, well, we're definitely going there to be 962 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 1: murdered because he is very rich and has nothing better 963 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: to do. I mean, why else would he want us there? 964 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,359 Speaker 1: And then, um, we weren't murdered. We were just led 965 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: to believe that. Like we were out on his boat 966 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: and he was like, this is where I throw the 967 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: bodies and I was like, I don't want fish touching me. 968 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: Can't you kill me? One swar dry Lands, and like 969 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 1: we were also joking that at one point I was 970 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: going to be running through the forest in a wedding dress. 971 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I was like, I hope 972 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: it fits um and then yeah, and then he wound up. 973 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: He wound up not feeling us. Obviously, it's kinds fine, 974 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: but he's not. That's that's one of the Cadians who's 975 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 1: not like he's I'm so shocked that show is still on. 976 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 1: He didn't even want to do it. Shocking. You know. 977 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 1: He's great comedian, which meant Bob Saggett. Oh, he's really nice, 978 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: actually genuinely really funny. He's funny, he's nice. His wife 979 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: Kelly is amazing because we had him on the podcast. 980 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 1: He's so sweet and then we did um something for 981 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: him and his wife. But yeah, I mean they're so like, 982 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: he's a good guy. So because I've actually I just 983 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: saw an interview with Tom Hanks and Tim Allen recently 984 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: about Tour Story four and I just got that vibe 985 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: from though from Tim, I just was like it kind 986 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 1: of seems like, yeah, really tied him the toll Man Taylor, 987 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:08,160 Speaker 1: but just interviews. Now, he's not. When we were in Colorado, 988 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: I remember, first of all, we went to like some 989 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: mountain that I thought he was going to throw us 990 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: off of, and I was like, I don't want to 991 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: be like in the bushes. Can we like do this 992 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: at home? Um? But anyway, so he said to this kid, 993 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: someone said that s Buzz Lightyear, and this kid just 994 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: looked at him and just started like crying. And then 995 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: we were Buzz, you're not good. No, because it was him. 996 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:34,919 Speaker 1: Because it's him, It's like, yes, it's a mean guy. 997 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: So also we weren't allowed to know where we were 998 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,399 Speaker 1: going or where we were staying the address, so he's 999 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 1: undisclosed location. It was crazy. It was so crazy. But 1000 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: then so we went to this like Delhi and we 1001 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: show up there and there's no one in the deli. 1002 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: There's just a guy outside on his sponge. And then 1003 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm sitting with him at a table and his back 1004 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: is to the door and he was like, here they come. 1005 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,439 Speaker 1: And then all these people came in and some woman 1006 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,319 Speaker 1: came up to him and and said I hate to 1007 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: bother you, and he goes Andy, Yet, oh, I know 1008 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: and then I said, well, wouldn't it be worse? I go, 1009 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: what would what would be worse than no humming or 1010 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: no one coming. He's like, that's true. It's funny because 1011 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: I feel like that's always the thing. It's like, Okay, 1012 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 1: you're annoyed that people bother you, but I would you 1013 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: feel if no one you knew who you were exactly? 1014 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 1: Hate it? Hate it? Like that's the trade off, you know. 1015 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: Darius record saided the best. Now. I always take it 1016 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 1: from him because Um, when I was I toured the 1017 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: music and he um, someone asked for his photo and 1018 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,720 Speaker 1: he looked at me and he goes, always take photos 1019 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,959 Speaker 1: with your fans and they come up to you because 1020 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 1: one day, no one's gonna ask you for a photos. True. 1021 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: And so every time I'm like, yes, of course I'm 1022 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: because one day you're not going to ask me. And no, guys, 1023 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: not right now. So my son was going to this camp, 1024 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,240 Speaker 1: this day camp, and we went to the bus stop 1025 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: and I was in like I just gave up, and 1026 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,880 Speaker 1: I was in pajamas and I was actually holding a 1027 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 1: coffee mug. It was a real like low for me 1028 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 1: and um, and I was We're at the bus up 1029 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: and when Stefani walks up and it's just me and 1030 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,359 Speaker 1: she looks adorable and stunning, and she's like decked out 1031 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,880 Speaker 1: at eight o'clock in the morning and it's just us 1032 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,319 Speaker 1: at the bus stop. And I was like trying to 1033 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,560 Speaker 1: make conversation with my son and I was like, you know, 1034 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: who's here? And then I immediately regret it. He goes, 1035 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,759 Speaker 1: who's here? And I go, no, one, forget it. He 1036 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 1: was mom, who's here? And I go, no one, Jesse, 1037 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,400 Speaker 1: stop it. And he goes, Mom, who's here? Are you 1038 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 1: trying to here? And I'm like, we're here, we're here, 1039 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 1: shut up here, I'm taking your snack money, stop it. 1040 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,319 Speaker 1: And he's like mom. And because he doesn't let anything 1041 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 1: go because he's eighty, and he was like, who is here? 1042 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, we are here, shut up. So then 1043 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,600 Speaker 1: he got the bus. I pushed on the bus and 1044 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: then um and then she took pictures with fans, like 1045 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 1: girl teenage girls came up and whatever. And then he 1046 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 1: gets on the bus and I'm shuffling away with my 1047 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,239 Speaker 1: coffee mugs so embarrassed. And then yeah, he calls me 1048 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: from the window and he's like mom, and I'm like yeah, 1049 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 1: and he's like, who's here, and I just was like, 1050 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 1: not me, so anyway, I know, so embarrassing, I know. 1051 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: And then he was saying that his friend Zuma at 1052 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: camp has his dad has a maserati and I was like, 1053 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: and then, you know, that's nice. Here's the thing though, 1054 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: You're like, you're killing it. You really truly are, and 1055 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 1: you know that right, like no, thank you, no, but 1056 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 1: you are. And here's at the end of the day, 1057 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: like to I'm like, sometimes I feel like I got 1058 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,479 Speaker 1: really upset with Joli the other day and it's hard, 1059 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: but at the same time, like we're doing the best 1060 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: that we had. We are that is all you can do. 1061 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,240 Speaker 1: We're working to give them a great lights and sometimes 1062 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: like I cried knowing that we're I'm here in l 1063 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,239 Speaker 1: A today, not with the kids back to Nashville. It's 1064 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: it's hard, but we are doing what we have to 1065 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,319 Speaker 1: do for a family. But and then's a good place 1066 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 1: to live to dash, Yeah, it's the best. Do you like, 1067 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,719 Speaker 1: it's like so nice and normal af what we have. 1068 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: They're here, we're here for two and a half years, 1069 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,840 Speaker 1: and we'd justust me back a couple months ago to Nashville. 1070 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,920 Speaker 1: Were just and since everything like is you would come 1071 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 1: back here. You would come back oh yeah, for work 1072 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,640 Speaker 1: of course, but audition wise, it was it's so different 1073 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: how it was ten years ago. I lived here. People 1074 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: don't even want you in the rooms anymore. It's all 1075 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: why am I here? Yeah? Why am I like? Paying 1076 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 1: these taxes and living in this renting this house? And 1077 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,839 Speaker 1: we don't even have to be here anymore. It really is. 1078 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 1: It's like deuces. We live in the valley, so so 1079 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: do we? Yeah, studios, that's where we live. Sort of terminal. Okay, 1080 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: well you're you're you've been my favorite guests. That's far 1081 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 1: really really but Liz is really fun. Everyone get her book. 1082 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 1: Don't wait up? Are you on Instagram or anything? Liz 1083 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,479 Speaker 1: Astrofstroff and I have a website liz astroff dot com 1084 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,319 Speaker 1: that I don't know why I have, but I buy 1085 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: the book there and why not? See you're awesome. I 1086 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 1: like you. Do you drink wine? I do? Face for 1087 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,919 Speaker 1: sure I do. She would have been like I do, 1088 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:59,879 Speaker 1: I like white wine? Oh is that bad wine? It's fine? 1089 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 1: We can still be good. All good, Okay, y'all give 1090 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:15,279 Speaker 1: it up for list. I loved her I knew you did, 1091 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 1: and you're not lying, like I can tell you were. Really. 1092 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 1: I almost stopped like halfway through. It was like I 1093 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 1: almost was like, you're amazing, Like this has been one 1094 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: of our best shows. Yeah, I could tell you were. 1095 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 1: And we could have gone in so many different directions 1096 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: and dove even deeper and stuff. Yeah, there wasn't enough time. 1097 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 1: Well I think there was. Yeah, it was awesome. It 1098 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,120 Speaker 1: was just so cool. And you know, I like having 1099 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,360 Speaker 1: a guess that we can just feel. I mean, we 1100 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 1: just basically filled up our entire podcast. And I love 1101 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,359 Speaker 1: when I feel like you guys are on the same 1102 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,680 Speaker 1: like she gets it, like yeah, and it's interesting wise 1103 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,799 Speaker 1: well that and like being in the room because it 1104 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,480 Speaker 1: kind of just brings me back to all the One 1105 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,480 Speaker 1: Tree Hill stuff with the creator. I don't know any 1106 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, i'd like to deep deep I don't 1107 00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 1: know whatever, deeper deep dip No, I mean he was, yeah, 1108 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,840 Speaker 1: he went down and all that me too stuff. And 1109 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,920 Speaker 1: One Tree Hill was the reason why like all the 1110 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,719 Speaker 1: girls kind of banded together. And but it started with 1111 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,719 Speaker 1: the writers Audrey and Rachel because they just had just 1112 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,839 Speaker 1: her so much trastment in the writing room. But I mean, 1113 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,319 Speaker 1: here's the sad thing about it though, too. I mean 1114 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: he was so inappropriate with me, and I just said 1115 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,080 Speaker 1: and there would be things. And I remember showing Sophia 1116 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 1: at texts being like, look at Mark just texted me, 1117 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,799 Speaker 1: and I was like, I just I just laughed. I 1118 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: would I feel like that's normal. I think a lot 1119 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,879 Speaker 1: of times I'm a series regular on TV, I don't 1120 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,399 Speaker 1: want to lose my job. I can't be like Mark 1121 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 1: that was inappropriate, but I wish I could. At the 1122 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: same time, I'm like, I wanted to keep my job. No, 1123 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,879 Speaker 1: that's a normal thing that you always hear from girls. 1124 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,759 Speaker 1: They're like, this is my how I make my living, 1125 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,480 Speaker 1: Like what was I gonna do? Which is sad to 1126 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,239 Speaker 1: think that you. I thought that it was crazy that 1127 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 1: you would stick up to him, Like what am I 1128 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,440 Speaker 1: to him? That's the craziest thing because when I was 1129 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: doing the show, a little juice here, but you know, 1130 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,799 Speaker 1: he was super inappropriate, and he he was basically like, hey, 1131 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,319 Speaker 1: when we go out to do the season regular shots, like, 1132 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, let's have some fun in New York together. 1133 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 1: And I'm like ha ha yeah, because I'm like, again, 1134 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,120 Speaker 1: what am I going to say? Like it's your boss 1135 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 1: it and I'm like, this is my first series regular gig. 1136 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say, but I texted my 1137 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,400 Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time, Jonathan, Julie's husband, and I said, 1138 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,440 Speaker 1: I need you to come to New York with me 1139 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: because if he shows up in my hotel room and 1140 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 1: I know this is so skewed thinking, but and then 1141 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,000 Speaker 1: this is what's so left up. And I don't even 1142 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 1: want to say this, but I I won't. I don't 1143 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,280 Speaker 1: know if I would have been able to not let 1144 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,560 Speaker 1: him come in because I was wanted to keep my job. No, 1145 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know if that doesn't make me, if 1146 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 1: that makes me weak or no. I think that's I mean, 1147 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,440 Speaker 1: there's like this, there's the scandals going on right now 1148 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: with photographers and models and like all the very into it, 1149 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,040 Speaker 1: but all of the girls are That's literally what they said. 1150 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,280 Speaker 1: They were like, first of all, this was someone I 1151 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: highly respected, like I didn't ever imagine like whatever happened 1152 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 1: was going to happen. And second of all, like it 1153 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,040 Speaker 1: was my job, like I didn't I you never really 1154 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 1: think that line is gonna get crossed until it happens. 1155 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,320 Speaker 1: Here's one of the things one of the girls that 1156 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,120 Speaker 1: I didn't sleep with him got fired of course, of course, 1157 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,080 Speaker 1: and so that was a rumor that I had heard, 1158 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,320 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, but he's married, and it was 1159 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,680 Speaker 1: just it was very I mean I that's why I 1160 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,200 Speaker 1: was like, I need and I was like, John, you 1161 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 1: need to come out to New York. And he did 1162 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,960 Speaker 1: so that I didn't have to have that conversation. And 1163 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,800 Speaker 1: so when he texted me, He's like, hey, what room 1164 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 1: are you And I was like, my my boyfriend's here. 1165 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god. He surprised me and had to play 1166 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:51,320 Speaker 1: it off like that and I was just, yeah, canceled. 1167 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 1: So when I found and and when the whole me 1168 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,960 Speaker 1: too stuff was happening, I'm like, man, I wonder if 1169 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,320 Speaker 1: Mark is going to go down. I was never going 1170 00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,960 Speaker 1: to say anything because and I know people are like, well, 1171 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you want to say something, But I don't 1172 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 1: really want to. It's like, you know what, maybe he 1173 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,440 Speaker 1: was going through a bad time in his life. I 1174 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,320 Speaker 1: can just wash your hands. You don't want to, Like, 1175 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to judge someone for what they were. 1176 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I think that's bad because then 1177 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,560 Speaker 1: when I want to stop that for the next thing. 1178 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,480 Speaker 1: But all I know now is I'd be a lot 1179 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 1: stronger in my conviction of if someone said, hey, you 1180 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,360 Speaker 1: want this role, we'll have stuck. I'd be like now, 1181 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,080 Speaker 1: now me and my thirties, I'd be like, off, I 1182 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 1: don't need it that bad. No, I'm good. Oh, Michael, 1183 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 1: your look quite over there? What's just letting your things? 1184 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's an uneasy feeling, like thinking about my 1185 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: wife in that situation. Honestly it is. Yeah, it's it's sickening. 1186 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:50,760 Speaker 1: It's uneasy. Yeah, unfortunate. But I see why when everything 1187 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,680 Speaker 1: was coming out, why you wouldn't be like on the 1188 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:57,840 Speaker 1: forefront is you know, because this isn't minimizing, but this 1189 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,680 Speaker 1: is putting it on the spectrum of me two issues. 1190 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,280 Speaker 1: When it came down to it, it was words right 1191 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,200 Speaker 1: that he that he said to you. It wasn't right. 1192 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,840 Speaker 1: I stopped it. That he was he was saying words. 1193 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,800 Speaker 1: You never said anything to stop. But he's also walking 1194 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,480 Speaker 1: a careful line. Yeah, very careful. He's saying, hey, let's 1195 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: have some fun in New York. If he went to 1196 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,280 Speaker 1: the bosses at the cub and said that, he said that, 1197 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:30,600 Speaker 1: they'd be like, Okay, you know, like, but the words themselves, 1198 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,760 Speaker 1: out of context aren't damaging to him. But I knew 1199 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,400 Speaker 1: exactly what he was doing. I mean, and that's a 1200 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,040 Speaker 1: part of this, and that what he talks about. You know, 1201 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,640 Speaker 1: he was with another girl on the show. People just 1202 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,840 Speaker 1: want to say it's always sleep with me or your fight, 1203 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,840 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's so much more than There's so 1204 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,160 Speaker 1: much more than that, just like rape. But would always say, oh, 1205 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,840 Speaker 1: it's in a back alley and that's a person you 1206 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: don't know. No, it's a massive spectrum of things that 1207 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,919 Speaker 1: fall into the category of rape or sexual harassment. Yeah, yeah, 1208 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,440 Speaker 1: so I see why you wouldn't come out in the 1209 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:06,520 Speaker 1: forefront with your me too flag. But it's just like 1210 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,200 Speaker 1: we've all been at one point in time probably subject 1211 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 1: to that. And also I think there needs to have 1212 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,720 Speaker 1: a little maybe. I just always think what were they 1213 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,760 Speaker 1: going through at the time they're alive, because people change. 1214 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,960 Speaker 1: I'm a different person than I was when I was twenty. 1215 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,120 Speaker 1: You're a different person when you know the past couple 1216 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,760 Speaker 1: of years. I think everyone has and maybe they were 1217 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,760 Speaker 1: going through a hard time. Again, I'm not minimizing anything. 1218 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm not saying what he did was Okay, I'm not 1219 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,840 Speaker 1: saying what this person did was. Okay, I'm not saying 1220 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,080 Speaker 1: what that person it is. Okay. I'm just saying sometimes 1221 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,400 Speaker 1: people maybe just go through seasons and maybe they're not 1222 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 1: good seasons, but that we shouldn't try to ruin their 1223 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,680 Speaker 1: lives because of a bad season. I understand that. Does 1224 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,040 Speaker 1: that make sense? Okay? All right, Well on that note. 1225 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:59,919 Speaker 1: Wow that that was then next Monday,