1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Last week, JD. Vance got into this whole kerfuffle from 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: an old video from twenty twenty one, where he said 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: this quote, the entire future of the Democrats is controlled 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: by people without children. How does it make sense We've 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: turned our country over to people who don't really have 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: a direct stake in it. He said the country was 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: being run by quote, a bunch of childless cat ladies 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: who are miserable at their own lives and choices that 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: they've made, and so they want to make the rest 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: of the country miserable too. I'm going to maybe write 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: about the politics of the comment and the way that 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Democrats attacked him for telling them how to live their lives, 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: as if they don't do that to all of us 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: all the time. But Vance went on the Megan Kelly 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: Show and said that people weren't addressing the substance of 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: what he said. So I want to do that here, 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: especially since I frequently talk about what a societal and 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: personal plus it is to have children. My thinking is 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: that Vance's comments are absolutely right on the macro level. 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Of course, society is better off with people having children. 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: Of course, people have more of a stake in society 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: if they have kids. It's crazy to believe otherwise. When 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: I worry about Europe or specifically Britain, because the rest 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: of the continent, you know, I feel less about But 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: I've always loved Britain. It's a large part because they're 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: not having kids. It does feel sort of shoulder struggy 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: about the future because their birth rate continues to drop. Yes, 29 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: they're not you know, super emotional people, stiff upper lip, 30 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: et cetera. But it feels very much like they're losing 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: their culture and society to unchecked immigration, and very few 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: feel like fighting back because what's the point. But on 33 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: a micro level, what Vance said is insulting, and I 34 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: fully understand that there are people who desperately want to 35 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: have children and can't. There are people who don't want 36 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: to have children but still care passionately about the country 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: that will live on after they're gone. Of course, all 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: of that's true. I can think of many examples in 39 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: my own life of people representing both of these things. 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: It's funny that people have brought up George Washington as 41 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: an example of someone who cared deeply for the country 42 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: despite not having children. I use George Washington as an 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: example for friends who are on the fence about having kids. 44 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: I wish we had George Washington's progeny around right now. 45 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Vance was trying to target Democrats for not being the 46 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: party of families, and sorry, I fully get that. It 47 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: was very obvious when Democrats did everything they could to 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: not open schools during the pandemic. Randy Weingarten was one 49 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: of the worst villains of that, and obviously she doesn't 50 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: have kids. But again back to the micro level, some 51 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: of my greatest allies in getting schools open were childless. 52 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: Of course, we can't just assume that people without kids 53 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: don't have a stake in the future. Vance is a 54 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: vice presidential candidate now, and his vision should be for 55 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: the whole country. I'd love for him to cut out 56 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: the micro. He insulted people who otherwise like him, and 57 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: that's a silly thing to do in politics. I'd love 58 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: to hear him speak more about the macro, about how 59 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: good it is for all of us to have kids, 60 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: about how our country needs people to have families, and 61 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: I'd love for him to get into the decline of 62 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: marriage rates, because look, while kids are important, I'm most 63 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: scared about the relationships that the younger generations just aren't 64 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: having and find so much harder to find. One thing 65 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: leads to another. Talk about the benefits of marriage and 66 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: kids will largely follow. Coming up next an interview with 67 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Justin Robert Young. Join us after the break. 68 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 69 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: guest today is Justin Robert Young, national politics reporter and 70 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: host of the Politics, Politics, Politics podcast. 71 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: Hi, Justin, so nice to have you on. 72 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 4: I'm very excited for a non political show. 73 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 5: I forced you to say politics four times in the 74 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 5: first three seconds. 75 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: Well, so I was going to say politics, politics, politics. 76 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: What's your podcast about? 77 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 5: Mostly model train building? You know, we try to diversify. 78 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 79 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 5: I came up with a name that was very memorable, 80 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 5: but possibly the worst SEO decision that I've ever made 81 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 5: in my entire life. 82 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: Hi, everybody's googling politics podcasts. 83 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, and that's the problem is that everything else 84 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 5: shows up before my podcast. 85 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 4: I should have. I should have. 86 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 5: My second name was the Carol Mark Wood Show. So 87 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 5: I'm glad that. 88 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: I used that because that would have been a problem. 89 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: So we recently met for the first time at the 90 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: southern border visit. 91 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: What do you think of that? 92 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 5: We're all great friendships begin Yes, a talent at the 93 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 5: southern US border. 94 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, the many. 95 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: Unfinished walls that you could just walk right around. 96 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: That was actually I feel like. 97 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: That's a story that doesn't get told enough. That all 98 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: of the walls are extremely easy to penetrate, Like, well, 99 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: the Trump Wall is like you literally could just walk 100 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: around it because it's not finished, and I don't know 101 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: how it could be finished because there's really nowhere they 102 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: could go, because they explained to us right that there's 103 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: nowhere that the wall can continue on to. 104 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was something, you know, it was. 105 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 5: It was a really interesting trip and I'm glad that 106 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 5: I did it because it showed that that problem is 107 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 5: so small faceted. When you look at the wall and McCallen, 108 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 5: you realize very quickly that America's number one trading partners Mexico, 109 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 5: So you kind of the wall makes a lot of 110 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 5: sense just to make sure that the money is coming 111 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 5: in in this direction, and then anybody who would want 112 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 5: to claim asylum would be going in another direction, which 113 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 5: just makes sense. It makes business sense for a lot 114 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 5: of different stakeholders. The larger issue I think that we 115 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 5: were explained and talked to a bunch of people is 116 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 5: just that we have a broken asylum system that has 117 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 5: been abused, and that's that's where I think we probably 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 5: have more of a political issue that will be dealt with, 119 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 5: you know, going. 120 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: Forward, we'll never be dealt with or won't. 121 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 5: And we'll just continue to have a problem and everybody 122 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 5: will raise money on it for the rest of time. 123 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: That sounds more plausible. 124 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, makes sense. 125 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: So how did you get into politics podcasting? 126 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 3: What was your background? 127 00:06:59,720 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: So? 128 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 5: I was a bright eyed young journalism student way back 129 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 5: in the day, and I got a degree in Syracuse 130 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 5: University at the new House School, and I was all 131 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 5: excited to begin my career. I was a crime reporter initially, 132 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 5: that's really what I wanted to do. And then looked 133 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 5: at the landscape of newspapers, which at that point we 134 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 5: were at like the final days of newspapers being a 135 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 5: relevant thing in. 136 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 2: The world because the timing. 137 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I graduate in two thousand and five, so 138 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 5: we are right. I'm super fired up by the Internet 139 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 5: and super fired up about blogging. 140 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 4: I look in the field and I'm like, eh, let's 141 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: give it a couple of years. 142 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 5: So I decided to go and try a few other 143 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 5: things in the meanwhile. And by the time that I 144 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 5: got back to a position that I wanted to maybe 145 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 5: re enter the matrix, everything was on fire. Newspapers were 146 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 5: not moving in the position that I wanted to, and 147 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 5: so at that point I pretty much began podcasting and blogging, 148 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 5: and that kind of started right out of college. It 149 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 5: was a horrifying financial decision for me. It certainly was 150 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 5: cool among. 151 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: Us didn't make that horrifying financial decision, you know. 152 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. 153 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: Pursuing our dreams. 154 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: We're so stupid exactly. 155 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 5: Now. The good news is is that now, as we 156 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 5: talk in twenty twenty four, it might be investing all 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 5: this time into the world of free entertainment on the 158 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 5: internet might have been the best way to invest my time, 159 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 5: as I can now make a living doing it. But boy, 160 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 5: in the moment, as I was paying off my student loans, 161 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 5: I really felt like a ding donk. 162 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, most expensive mistake I've ever made is going to 163 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: graduate school for politics. 164 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 3: You know, I what a huge error? Turned out nobody needed. 165 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 5: That, No, Yeah, thankfully I was. I was so disillusioned 166 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 5: with college. As soon as I got there, the concept 167 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 5: of finishing my undergraduate was was going to be an upset, 168 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 5: which did happen only because I started working at the 169 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 5: Daily Orange, which is a student paper that's independent of 170 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 5: the university. But I just spent my entire time there 171 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 5: actually learning how to you know, report and overseeing a 172 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 5: budget and overseeing a staff, you know, actual lessons that 173 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 5: were applicable to my life. If I had only gone 174 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 5: to class I, I really would have been a lot more. 175 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 4: Sad than I am now Now I'm happy, which is good. 176 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: So what do you consider your beat? 177 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: Like, what's what are you most covering? 178 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 4: Politics? Yeah? 179 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 5: So how did I get into politics? 180 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 4: I really kind of backed into it. 181 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 5: Politics was something that I have always been obsessed with. 182 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 5: It's always been something that I followed. It's, you know, to. 183 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 4: Give my my druthers. 184 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 5: If I'm re reading a book, if I'm reading newspaper coverage, 185 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 5: I'm always I've always been obsessed with politics and political history. 186 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 5: And so I'm doing a comedy show that then turns 187 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 5: into a one mic show. And I decided in the 188 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 5: twenty sixteen election that you want to know what this 189 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 5: is getting a little heated let me separate out the politics, 190 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 5: so I can everybody can, we can have fun with 191 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 5: this other thing, and I can just talk. 192 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 4: Politics on this other show. 193 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 5: I'll quarantine it, right, And it turned out that the 194 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 5: audience wanted me. There was a lot bigger audience for 195 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 5: me to talk about politics than there was for me 196 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 5: to talk about news of the of the day. Yeah, 197 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 5: and so it wound up becoming my main gig. 198 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: And I feel like you love politics, and I don't 199 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: mean so. A lot of people love politics. I love politics, 200 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: but I also hate politics. I feel like you don't 201 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 2: have like a love hate necessarily. 202 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 3: I think you really do love it. 203 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 5: I really do, mostly because I don't think that they're 204 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 5: are many things on the planet that are the same 205 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 5: sociological experiments that we do once every four years. 206 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 4: Specifically, here in America, we have raw crush it up. 207 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 5: And snort it fast, and the furious style first past 208 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 5: the post democracy on a level that nobody else in 209 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 5: the world has, And so. 210 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 4: It's interesting. 211 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 5: The strategies are interesting to me, The messaging is interesting 212 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 5: to me. And the competency of these gigantic machines that 213 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: sort of battle out in front of us is endlessly fascinating, 214 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 5: as is the history to it. 215 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: So a question that I ask everybody on this show 216 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: is what is our largest cultural problem? And so what 217 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 2: is it? And is it something that you cover on 218 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: your podcast. 219 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 4: I don't think it's anything that I cover. 220 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 5: I do think that it is something that is exploited 221 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 5: by politics, and that is fatalism. I think that America 222 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 5: has a real fatalism problem and it is. 223 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 4: Well, let me let me rephrase it. 224 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 5: America's self loathing complex, I think is its greatest strength, 225 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 5: especially strength. 226 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't think you're gonna say strength. 227 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, what as much as I've traveled around the world, Uh, 228 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 5: there's one thing that stands out, and that's America has 229 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 5: its own faults, very front and center in its mind, 230 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 5: and that goes across all political spectrums. We know what 231 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 5: the problem is and we want to address it immediately, 232 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 5: and that has been to our great benefit. I think 233 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 5: it's been to our great benefit economically, technologically, and socially. 234 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 5: We have we have benefited from our ability to identify 235 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 5: problems and go forward. The problem that I see is 236 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 5: that there's two ways that you can handle it. When 237 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 5: you identify a problem, fix it or wallow in it. 238 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 5: And I think that in our modern world, we've wallowed 239 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 5: in it a little bit more than I think is healthy. 240 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: And that's in politics. 241 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 5: You exploit that a lot because you need a problem 242 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 5: to solve, so you can get people to donate money 243 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 5: and go to. 244 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 4: The ballot box and hit a button. 245 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 5: But you should take some time off from that and 246 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 5: think of why, how far have we come have we 247 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 5: been working on this problem? 248 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 4: Look at that? 249 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 5: You know, I think we all see that in our 250 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 5: own lives that sometimes you got to take a breath 251 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 5: and you got to look at the road behind you 252 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 5: and say. 253 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 4: Wow, we've walked a long way. 254 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 5: We should feel good about that without sacrificing the idea 255 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 5: that we do have longer to walk. 256 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 257 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Markowitz Show. 258 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people think of Americans because 259 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: it's funny you said, you say that we're self loathing. 260 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: I just picture like people in Europe who think that 261 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: we're like so obsessed with ourselves, like, yeah, well we 262 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: are self loathing. We're constantly beerating ourselves and we're constantly 263 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: I think there's a sense in America that doesn't exist 264 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 2: in places like you're, for example, that when there's a problem, 265 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 2: it has to be solved, even if we don't end 266 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: up solving it, which we don't, we at least kind 267 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: of entertain that. 268 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 3: We should solve this problem. 269 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: And I don't. 270 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: I don't see that. 271 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: Some other countries necessarily have that. I lived in Britain 272 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: for a while. They're not looking to solve any. 273 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 5: No, and that's we have such a self loathing complex 274 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 5: that we go to other countries so if they can 275 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 5: complain about us, so we can agree with them, right, Like, that's. 276 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 4: That's that's it. It's a fascinating, a fascinating thing. 277 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, and it's hard to not 278 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 5: be obsessed with yourself when you're an American when you 279 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 5: go abroad and every news that you go to has 280 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 5: like a fifteen minute here's what happened in America today, Yes, right, 281 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: the way, that doesn't happen in America. 282 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: In America, it's fifteen minutes for the rest of you, 283 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: Like maybe maybe you get a little bit, but. 284 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 5: It's a gigantic, gigantic block in any Western country, Japan 285 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 5: or Japan not a Western country obviously, but a First 286 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 5: World country, Japan, England, Italy, Germany. 287 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 4: Any place that I have been, they all have the 288 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 4: same thing. 289 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 5: So at a certain point you do have to throw 290 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 5: your hair back and say, oh my god, why are 291 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 5: you so obsessed with me? 292 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 3: Was yours? The Mariah carry line? Though? Why are you 293 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: so obsessed with me? 294 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 5: Why? Yeah? 295 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 4: Subsessed? 296 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 5: Well that was my first thought when the UK announced 297 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 5: that they were having their elections on July fourth. 298 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 4: And I'm like, why are you so obsessed with us? 299 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: Like, God, it's been a while, you guys should really 300 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: get over it. 301 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so do you? 302 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: Another question that I asked all my guests is do 303 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: you feel like you've made it? You have a really 304 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: successful podcast, you talk about what you want to be 305 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: talking about your you know, self made right, It's it's 306 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: a big thing. 307 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 5: Uh, you know, it's it's funny as I've thought a 308 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 5: lot about you sent these questions, and so I've really 309 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 5: wrestled with this and them. 310 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you that I like that. I get 311 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: a lot of shocked faces of. 312 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: People being like, what where did It's all my email? Actually? 313 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I'm going to say yes because I do 314 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 5: believe that I have built something rare for now I 315 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 5: think that we will probably see stories like mine a 316 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 5: lot more common going forward. But I'm not a satisfied guy. 317 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 5: I'm not somebody that that tends to rest well on things, 318 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 5: and so there will always be a part of me 319 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 5: that wishes I had plugged into the matrix that I 320 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 5: had some buzzy you know, I had a a poster 321 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 5: a Times pick any of them like next to my 322 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 5: name at some point, just because those were the brands 323 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 5: that I was obsessed with growing up. But at the 324 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 5: same time, whenever I get into my head of like, well, 325 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 5: you know you can apply, like you know people that 326 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 5: work in these places, like you could you could go 327 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 5: work there, I'm like, yeah, yeah, but then I'd have 328 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 5: a boss and I probably wouldn't want to do the 329 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 5: things that they want me to do. 330 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 4: And so I talked myself out of it. 331 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 5: So on one level, I do think that I've got 332 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 5: miles to go. I do think that what I do 333 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 5: could be bigger and better, and I could apply myself 334 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 5: more and I could do X, Y and Z. So 335 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 5: I will, for motivational purposes say no, but to just 336 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 5: point out that you should also take stock of your 337 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 5: own life and appreciate what you have, I'll say, yes, 338 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 5: that's yeah. 339 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: I like that. 340 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: Do you are you open about your own political views 341 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: or do you just because I you know, I was 342 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 2: thinking about this, I just assumed you were a libertarian 343 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: because we were on a trip with a bunch of libertarians. 344 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 4: A bunch of libertarians here. 345 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know your political leanings. 346 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't identify myself as a conservative or a 347 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 5: liberal commentator. 348 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 4: I will say that. 349 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 5: Identifying yourself as a libertarian is probably the most sato 350 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 5: masochistic thing that you could do, because it just obligates 351 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 5: you to have a lot of conversations with libertarians about 352 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 5: what kind of libertarian you are, which, having just left 353 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 5: their convention two weeks ago, I think I'm full for 354 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 5: the next several decades of discussing exactly the font size 355 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 5: of the L. 356 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 357 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 5: I talk openly about my opinions on issues. But I 358 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 5: do think that there is a real worth that I 359 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 5: can give to people by not identifying as a political 360 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 5: as a conservative or liberal commentator, because what I want 361 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 5: to do. 362 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 4: Is just be correct on how I'm seeing the race. 363 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 5: And if I say, oh, here's my opinion on or 364 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 5: like I'm taking I'm looking at this from a conservative perspective. Right, 365 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 5: then I'm not providing to conservative listeners because conservative listeners 366 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 5: want when something crazy happens, they want to listen to 367 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 5: me and trust that I can read the polls, trust 368 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 5: that I can see what fundraising is and say, yeah, 369 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 5: this did matter, or I'm not If I say I'm liberal, 370 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 5: I'm not really serving my liberal listeners because when something happens, 371 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 5: they want to come to me and say, hey, does 372 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 5: this matter? Because that's the number one thing I get 373 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 5: from either side is thing happens? Does this matter? 374 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 4: And I want to preserve my ability to do that 375 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 4: for the listenership. 376 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: Because lots of podcasters, I would say that don't say 377 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: what their political leanings are. But then you just know. 378 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: And I find it interesting that I don't know yours. 379 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: Like again, I just assumed you were, you know, cookie libertarian. 380 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I I think. 381 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 2: You know, And I'm very i feel like I identify as 382 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: a conservative, but I'm very aligned with libertarians. 383 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 3: They are my people. I go to their parties. They 384 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: are a lot of fun. 385 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 4: So yes, you know, oh yeah and me too. 386 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 5: I I probably the closest I've ever come to identifying 387 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 5: is anything personally would have been a libertarian when I 388 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 5: was in my twenties and I was first reading Reason 389 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 5: magazine the way that everybody gets into the libertarian drug. 390 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 391 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 5: I will say also that one of my favorite memories 392 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 5: of that trip that we took down to the border 393 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 5: happened literally on the plane there where we were all 394 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 5: on the same flight down to McAllen and I was 395 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 5: with Andrew Heaton, who does the funny videos for Reason, 396 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 5: and you just pointed it, just said Brett Kavanaugh, Bret Cavanall. 397 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: He had no idea what I was talking about. 398 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: Like, so the joke is, you know, he had played 399 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: Brett Cavanaugh in a video. So I have I have kids, 400 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: they are fourteen, eleven, and eight, and like I want 401 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: to get them into politics or at least understanding like 402 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: political sides, and Reason makes it very easy. They have 403 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: a lot of these very funny videos that explain a 404 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: lot of issues very clearly. I don't always agree with them, 405 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: but in general I just enjoy their content. And so 406 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: my kids had seen him as Brett Kavanaugh for a 407 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: long time. We watched that video a few times. It's 408 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: really funny, but he doesn't identify himself as Brett kataw 409 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: He doesn't walk around being like I am Brett Kavanaugh, 410 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 2: but I see him, so he was like where. I 411 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: was like, Brett Kavanaugh is on my flight, and he 412 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 2: was like, where where is he? 413 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say that walking around the Libertarian convention 414 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: with Andrew Heaton is like walking around with Mickey. 415 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 3: Mouse as a superstar. 416 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 5: Right, Oh yeah, everybody, he might be the most popular 417 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 5: person there, and when you get more than ten Libertarians 418 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 5: in a group, one person being popular becomes a challenge 419 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 5: because there's constant infighting. 420 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 4: But everybody appreciates. 421 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 5: Heat and doing stuff for reasons, So it was definitely 422 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 5: very funny. 423 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 2: I went to conference a few years ago, nieces right, 424 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: I wasn't sure I was saying it right, but I 425 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 2: was with Michael Malice. Oh my god, that was like 426 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: being with I don't even know Taylor Swift. 427 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 3: He was like he was mobbed. I was like, you're famous. 428 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: Who even knew? 429 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, yeah, he's uh he is definitely he's got. 430 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 5: If he were there, he would have definitely had a 431 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 5: lot of a lot of attentions as well. But yeah, 432 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 5: I mean, like, i I'm very glad, I'm always very happy. 433 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 5: I'm secretly very happy when people can't peg where I 434 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 5: come from a politicistrating. 435 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 4: I think it is it's actively hindered my career. 436 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 5: Really will say that I do think that if I 437 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 5: were even if I just did exactly what I was doing. 438 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 5: But I said, I'm the conservative who believes X or 439 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 5: I'm the liberal who believes why that I probably would 440 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 5: do better. But I don't think I would feel good 441 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 5: because I don't really want to identify myself as either. 442 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: I have to tell you, in that graduate program that 443 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: is the most expensive. 444 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: Mistake I've ever made. 445 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 2: They told us that you can't be an independent, like 446 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: you have to be a Republican or Democrat. And I 447 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 2: was the only Republican leading person in my class. Obviously 448 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: it was NYU. 449 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: So but there was one liberty universe. Yeah, there was. 450 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 3: One girl and she was independent. 451 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: And they were like, you got to pick a stop Like, yeah, right. 452 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 4: Now, knock it off. There's there's no money there. 453 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 5: And that's that's the funny thing is, Yeah, I've talked 454 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 5: to a friend of mine who is flirted with the 455 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 5: idea of running for office, and she's very much an independent, 456 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 5: and I was like, well, you got to pick you 457 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 5: got to be the conservative leading Democrat or the liberal 458 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 5: leaning Republican or yeah whatever, you guys. 459 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 4: Know somewhere in the center. You got to pick one 460 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: because that's where. 461 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 5: The money comes in, that's where you get a ID, 462 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 5: that's where you know, and just nobody. 463 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: Has the time to figure out what you stand for. 464 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: I mean they barely. 465 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: People barely do it. Like with candidates that they that 466 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: they know everything about. They're not going to research an 467 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: independent candidate and see which issues which size. 468 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 5: It's just I will say that that's one of the 469 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 5: things that I very much have a a a very 470 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 5: serious opinion on. In terms of journalisms. They do think 471 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 5: that journalism is draft drifted into activism from a reporter level. 472 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 5: You know, columnists are always going to be bringing the spice. 473 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 5: That's fine, that's what there's there's a carved out niche 474 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 5: for it. But reporting has either gotten activists in that 475 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 5: you're searching out activist positions or lazy in that you 476 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 5: are just taking copy pasta from an activist. 477 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 4: Point of view and pretending that it's the news. 478 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 5: And that's one thing that I want to if I 479 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 5: do have a principled stand it is it's good to 480 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 5: be able to say you don't know where I'm coming from, 481 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 5: because at the very least you know that you can't 482 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 5: discount what I'm saying. And there's a real value of 483 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 5: that that I think has been eroded in journalism. 484 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 2: I really love that, and I think that everybody should 485 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: be listening to your podcast, Politics, Politics, Politics, and here 486 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: with your best tip for my listeners on how they 487 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: can improve their lives. This is a podcast about life 488 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: and not about politics. 489 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: Even though we. 490 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 2: Touched on it a little bit, touch, yeah, touch, it 491 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: veers this way sometimes, you know. 492 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 5: So I will say this, like many people, I hit 493 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 5: a certain level of rock bottom emotionally and physically during 494 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 5: the lockdowns. I was in I know, you're in Florida now, right, 495 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 5: but you're in New York. Similarly, I was in the 496 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 5: Bay Area. I was in Oakland, so places that were 497 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 5: very right. You know. It wasn't that you couldn't leave 498 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 5: your It was just that society had decided to shut down, 499 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 5: so even if you left your house, you couldn't really 500 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 5: go anywhere. 501 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 4: At that point. And I was. 502 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 5: Overweight, drinking way too much, and very very sad. I 503 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 5: had fallen off a scooter drunk and broken my hand. 504 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 5: I just felt like, all right, we got to start 505 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 5: making some decisions here that are going to like we 506 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 5: can control what we're doing. 507 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 4: Let's go forward. And the number one thing, the number 508 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 4: one thing that I found sleep. 509 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 5: If you are in a bad situation, any you want 510 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 5: to improve anything in your life, and you do not 511 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 5: go to bed at the same time and wake up 512 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 5: at the same time, Like. 513 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 4: That's what else? 514 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 5: Because that makes so I started working out more. But 515 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 5: before when I didn't have a set go to sleep, 516 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 5: wake up schedule, it's harder to work out because your 517 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 5: body doesn't know when everything. Everything gets built from the 518 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 5: foundation of sleep, diet, your exercise, your productivity, everything starts. 519 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 5: This is the ground level foundation of trying to get 520 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 5: better sleep. Now I'm talking to you now, my firstborn 521 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 5: daughter will arrive at some point in August. This will 522 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 5: probably be going out the window with Yeah, I will 523 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 5: probably not. 524 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 4: Be able to manage my sleep in the way that I. 525 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: Was comes back. 526 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: Scare you it really People make too much of a 527 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: deal about those early few months. Yes, you don't sleep 528 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: for a few months, but then it all kind of 529 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: evens out. 530 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm holding on loosely. 531 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 5: That's that's really my philosophy throughout everybody that I've talked to. 532 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 5: But yeah, sleep, sleep is the number one thing if 533 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 5: you If you can figure that out, you've gone a 534 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 5: long way toward making everything easier, making all the stuff 535 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 5: that we think of as hard, including diet and exercise 536 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 5: and productivity. 537 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 4: It makes it easier when you have your sleep on 538 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 4: a rail. 539 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: I'm going to go nap right after this. 540 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 2: So he is justin Robert Young his Politics, Politics, Politics podcast. 541 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: Where could people find your show? 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