Speaker 1: Welcome back to Good Mom's Bad Choices. I'm Erica and
Speaker 1: I'm Mila. And Happy Pride Month, y'all. Happy Pride Month.
Speaker 2: You know, from a by fun bitch and a former
Speaker 2: lesbian pansexual, we'd like to wish everyone a happy do
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you want month.
Speaker 1: Whether you're queer or fairy, it is.
Speaker 2: Your month to celebrate whatever the fuck makes you feel good.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling, Erica, I feel good. I'm good.
Speaker 3: I woke up, I said some affirmations to myself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I woke up on the right side of the bed.
Speaker 2: Today, amen, because nobody had time for the other side
Speaker 2: of the bed. I'm really excited. We have a special
Speaker 2: guest here today.
Speaker 1: Hi, ra Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Author Mama advocate throwing there Nigga Bitch of the Year.
Speaker 1: Niga Bitch of the Year. Yeah.
Speaker 3: She's also friends with one of our tribe members, Miss
Speaker 3: Wright's Way, Ashley. Listen to that episode, you know, Ashley
Speaker 3: said nigga bitch like a lot, and I was stressed.
Speaker 1: We were stress. I was stressed, literally my booty. She
Speaker 1: kept clenching every time. She said. I was like, look
Speaker 1: this is okay. Are you sure?
Speaker 3: And then Ra came in today and she said it,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, yeah, actually says that.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, I coined that term, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm humbled, grateful to be here, and yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the language should be, you know, fucked up like niga bitch.
Speaker 1: We're here mask identified women if you don't know, but
Speaker 1: you know what nigga bitch is like.
Speaker 2: But now I've evolved into pan sexual, which means I
Speaker 2: like people.
Speaker 1: So that's it. If you're a person, I might like you,
Speaker 1: I might be attracted to you.
Speaker 3: Beware, So on the topic of just you know it,
Speaker 3: be pride, What are your pronouns like? What should we
Speaker 3: properly be referring to you as?
Speaker 1: Thank you? She? They them, I do make it easy
Speaker 1: because and this is a very sensitive conversation piece for
Speaker 1: a lot of people that don't identify completely with the binary.
Speaker 1: But she I'm a mom. I love being a mom,
Speaker 1: a loving a woman. To be honest with you, I'm
Speaker 1: just fluid, very fluid in my lifestyle. So that's where
Speaker 1: the they and the them comes. But also I'm not
Speaker 1: sensitive about any of it. So if you were to
Speaker 1: mis ginger me, I wouldn't give a fuck. She keep
Speaker 1: calling me matter of fact, you want to call me,
Speaker 1: keep paying me, paying me, calling you call me the
Speaker 1: fuck you want to call it, saying like so you know,
Speaker 1: but not everybody is that way. It took a long
Speaker 1: time to get to this point.
Speaker 2: You know, thank you, because Erica and I are not
Speaker 2: professionals and we might fuck up, So bear with us
Speaker 2: if you're listening, if you are here, if you fuck
Speaker 2: it up. Erica's like in the bathroom, she's like, she
Speaker 2: came in and I said, hey, girl, hey, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, I'm my bitch.
Speaker 1: I told you no, bitches, let's just say hey.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know, just guide me, let
Speaker 3: me know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn.
Speaker 3: But it takes time because I've learned something else my
Speaker 3: whole life, and you know, I want to be intentional
Speaker 3: and I want to be you know, respectful, and not
Speaker 3: just use that as an excuse like, well this is
Speaker 3: what i've been now, so how fuck you? You know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like some people might do, but it is
Speaker 3: I feel like it is. I understand that there's such
Speaker 3: sensitivity in the pronouns. And even my friend, my friend Romo,
Speaker 3: she works in nonprofit and she has a good amount
Speaker 3: of trans employees and they get very upset. And she's
Speaker 3: really good about it now, obviously because she's been in
Speaker 3: the space for a long time. But she's like, it
Speaker 3: can get really really heated when kind of like navigating
Speaker 3: in that space and unlearning, you know, the way we've
Speaker 3: been taught to refer to people.
Speaker 1: So sure, absolutely, And I would never want to invalidate
Speaker 1: anybody's experience because some people truly struggle with this on
Speaker 1: a day to day I'm just not one of them,
Speaker 1: nigga bitches, you know. So with Abby and said, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that we all just need to be understanding.
Speaker 1: You can tell when somebody is trying to be understanding
Speaker 1: and open minded. And Ashley posted a video of me
Speaker 1: recently and that opened up a huge platform plethora of
Speaker 1: different conversations that people were having and the spectrum of
Speaker 1: you know, when people are trying to be ain't shit
Speaker 1: versus people like really like I want to know, Like
Speaker 1: I don't want to be disrespectful. I want to know
Speaker 1: and know what's going on.
Speaker 3: And wait, what was the video? I need to know
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 1: I did a ad for her a firm. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I've never shirt on and it freaks some niggas out.
Speaker 1: People thought there was a filter. People didn't know. And
Speaker 1: for people that don't know, I have double bilateral misectomy
Speaker 1: two years ago and not for cancer, but by choice.
Speaker 1: It was cosmetic. My insurance paid for it. I cut
Speaker 1: my titties off. I love it. My shirts fit the
Speaker 1: way I love to fit. And to me, it's a
Speaker 1: regular conversation piece, just as if a woman wanted to
Speaker 1: go get breast implants. Nobody's talking shit about a bitch
Speaker 1: putting silicon in her titties, you know, in her chest.
Speaker 1: But I cut them off and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're crazy and mental health and psychotic and all this
Speaker 1: other shit, and I'm like, okay, I love you too.
Speaker 1: What do you really want to say? Because I'm here
Speaker 1: and we can talk about it.
Speaker 3: Right Meanwhile, like you said, people are filling up their
Speaker 3: whole face, their bodies, their booties, all.
Speaker 1: Types of Nobody's blinking and they're fine. They're fine. They
Speaker 1: don't have nothing. There's no mental health. I could never
Speaker 1: imagine going out and going out my way to like
Speaker 1: say something negative to somebody that's changing their body. Like
Speaker 1: it's just so weird to me That's why when people
Speaker 1: say that I just like I get still and get grounded.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're suffering because I'm happy as fun. Like
Speaker 1: this flat chest is getting licked on and sucked on
Speaker 1: and all ties a while. You know what I'm saying matters.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know I gotta put that on a shirt.
Speaker 2: This flat chest is getting sucked on, the licked on. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'd like to get that shit. Okay, Well, before we
Speaker 2: start going into all the learning and unlearning that we
Speaker 2: have to do and all of the things that you're
Speaker 2: gonna share with us, let us do our daily tearot guards.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. And we've already pulled one. And I
Speaker 1: think it's six of cups. Six of six of cups,
Speaker 1: the six of cups.
Speaker 2: The gifts they bring are balance and harmony through the
Speaker 2: return to inner sources, sentimentality, kindness, memories, and innocence. Think
Speaker 2: of the simple, innocent pleasures in your life and feel blessed.
Speaker 2: The only difference between work and play is attitude. I
Speaker 2: know that's right. Live in the moment, remember the beautiful
Speaker 2: moments and lessons learned in the past.
Speaker 1: Dream of the future.
Speaker 3: This you know, I gotta go back to Biddy Taro
Speaker 3: because I feel like Biddy Taro is not paying us,
Speaker 3: but they should be at this point because.
Speaker 1: Or we should be paying them because we used to
Speaker 1: be used there. But I was like, I like Biddy.
Speaker 3: Tarot's description of this too, because I think it does
Speaker 3: you know, it comes. It's very close to what I
Speaker 3: think we're gonna be discussing today, which is, you know, parenthood, childhood,
Speaker 3: all the things. And according to Biddy, it says that
Speaker 3: the six of Cups upright is revisiting the past childhood
Speaker 3: memories in a sense and joy, and that the six
Speaker 3: of Cups is a card that takes you back, like
Speaker 3: you said, to the happy memories from your past, whether
Speaker 3: as a child, teenager, or young adult. You may simply
Speaker 3: be revisiting these memories in your mind, or you may
Speaker 3: travel back to your childhood home or reconnect with your
Speaker 3: childhood friends. You could go to a high school reunion,
Speaker 3: or reconnect with an old buddy, a teenage sweetheart, or
Speaker 3: a past lover may turn up again. These connections bring
Speaker 3: you a sense of joy and happiness as you reminisce
Speaker 3: over all the fun times you had together. Take this
Speaker 3: occasion to explore whether you still have a lot in
Speaker 3: common or if you wish to continue the relationship now.
Speaker 3: It sounds like a very positive card. Obviously, not everyone's
Speaker 3: childhood was positive, but I mean, hopefully they are positive
Speaker 3: experiences entangled within those moments, and even if they.
Speaker 2: Weren't positive, I think it's we're really a time of
Speaker 2: you know, my favorite, my favorite term right now, inner
Speaker 2: child healing. That was a Debbie you gotta do the
Speaker 2: inner child healing. And I think this is the season
Speaker 2: a lot of people are finding things come up in
Speaker 2: their adulthood that are really rooted in childhood and sometimes
Speaker 2: you have to And I really I had a conversation
Speaker 2: I don't know what episode about this, or maybe it
Speaker 2: was just private to Erica where I was feeling rejected,
Speaker 2: and I literally went in. I laid down, and I
Speaker 2: went into my mind and I visited my childhood home
Speaker 2: and I visited myself as a child, and I saw
Speaker 2: myself there and I have never done that before. I
Speaker 2: don't even know where that came from, but I did it.
Speaker 2: And I just feel like that card speaks to that.
Speaker 2: And if anyone who's listening is finding challenges in their
Speaker 2: adulthood right now, you may need to revisit your childhood
Speaker 2: self and feel, you know, feel the feels that maybe
Speaker 2: you've forgotten or you've pushed down and intention like your
Speaker 2: body's forgotten subconsciously, and maybe.
Speaker 1: Revisit and heal those things.
Speaker 2: Maybe talk to your parents, call your mom, tell her
Speaker 2: that shit she did that you didn't like. Amen, And
Speaker 2: today's affirmation of the day comes from our guest, Raw,
Speaker 2: what is our affirmation, Dear.
Speaker 1: Our affirmation? What do we say? We said we are
Speaker 1: grounded and rooted in a salad foundation.
Speaker 2: Sound grounded and rooted in a solid foundation. Before we started,
Speaker 2: we talked about again visualizing when you wake up out
Speaker 2: of bed and put your feet on the ground that
Speaker 2: you are a tree and you are growing.
Speaker 1: Roots to the ground.
Speaker 2: And so that throughout the day you can continuously have
Speaker 2: that visualization and remember, no matter what's going on, because
Speaker 2: we all know shit's gonna happen, you're rooted in whatever
Speaker 2: is happening and staying present.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I love that. Yeah, So, Raw, you are
Speaker 1: a mama that I am. You're a boy mom.
Speaker 2: We don't really Oh we did have a boy mom recently,
Speaker 2: but we have girls, so we're never like, we don't
Speaker 2: get that many boy moms on the show.
Speaker 1: I don't meet very many boy moms, So if anybody's
Speaker 1: looking for a twelve year old, sweet, shy, brilliant playdate, like,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely in the valley looking for that, because it's
Speaker 1: really hard to come by twelve year old thirteen year
Speaker 1: old boy mom.
Speaker 2: Right and good like good, I assume like other good boys,
Speaker 2: you know, like you don't want your kids hang out
Speaker 2: with fucking anybody.
Speaker 1: So no, mine's fucked up. So I'm just chucking, but no,
Speaker 1: for real though, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: Twelve and thirteen is a hard age that pubescent shit
Speaker 2: Like me and Erica just revisited some of our journals
Speaker 2: and the horrishness that we participated in our early teenage years.
Speaker 2: So I'm really scared to have a teenage child, but
Speaker 2: I feel like it may.
Speaker 1: Be a little bit easier for the boy mom. I've
Speaker 1: been blessed in that department. My kid is the most sweetest,
Speaker 1: genuine even like he would never fix his mouth to
Speaker 1: say something crazy to me, Like he's very opposite of
Speaker 1: who I was growing up, and I thought I just
Speaker 1: knew my karma was going to be crazy, but he
Speaker 1: is so sweet. He's a sweet boy, Oh, that's wonderful.
Speaker 1: What was it like growing up for you?
Speaker 3: I mean, I really want to talk about your book
Speaker 3: that you gifted us, which is amazing, Charlie's best work yet.
Speaker 3: And I think you said it was kind of loosely
Speaker 3: based on, you know, your childhood. Can you talk about
Speaker 3: your childhood? And I'm just curious to know, like did
Speaker 3: you always identify as like I mean, obviously I don't
Speaker 3: know if the even like we had the language language then, right,
Speaker 3: or even your parents had the language then to like
Speaker 3: really understand understand you, but like, can you walk us through,
Speaker 3: like what's.
Speaker 1: And your identity?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Your identity right off?
Speaker 2: Rip.
Speaker 1: I was adopted into a pastored household, so Church of
Speaker 1: God in Christ, Pentecostal parents, both pastors. They were not
Speaker 1: getting jiggy with that gay shit at all. And I've
Speaker 1: been gay since like ever, like five or six. I
Speaker 1: knew I was gay, and just innately just the attraction
Speaker 1: to women, which I can't explain other than just innately,
Speaker 1: just like I didn't have attraction to boys in that way.
Speaker 1: So growing up, I was very tomboyish and that's the
Speaker 1: only language that we knew to call. It was a tomboy,
Speaker 1: you know, played basketball, played sports, didn't play with dolls.
Speaker 1: So I think everybody kind of knew, but nobody was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember a turning point was in sixth grade,
Speaker 1: I was trying to wear boy clothes and my dad
Speaker 1: was not having it. And my mom was like, let
Speaker 1: you know, it's fine, this is not me her being gay,
Speaker 1: this is her expressing herself. And she was really vouching
Speaker 1: for me, you know. But no, that wasn't I was
Speaker 1: gay as fuck. So yeah, you were wrong, Ma, you
Speaker 1: knew that. Jesus didn't tell y'all niggas, but you know,
Speaker 1: Jesus told you yo, come on. So I officially came.
Speaker 1: I got outed and like at fifteen, sixteen years old
Speaker 1: by this girl from out here. Ironically, she was from
Speaker 1: La and came to, you know, my school, and I
Speaker 1: had already had a girlfriend. So I was like twelve,
Speaker 1: like on the low ski, I was doing everything twelve
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, girl everything, like everything twelve thirteen. So
Speaker 1: my first experience was with the girl. But my attraction
Speaker 1: to men is an even present, Like I can I'm
Speaker 1: physically attracted to men. I can appreciate a nice looking man.
Speaker 1: I actually appreciate masculine men. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I can appreciate a nice black masculine man. I just
Speaker 1: don't want to have sex with you. That's what it
Speaker 1: comes down to. I don't know what my road because
Speaker 1: every man that I've ever been intimate with was never
Speaker 1: like I never got anything from it was very like
Speaker 1: this again. I thought this was gonna be different this time.
Speaker 1: So that's my question too, is like, you know, you
Speaker 1: have a son. Did you carry I did?
Speaker 3: Okay, So was it planned then or was it you
Speaker 3: had sex with a guy and you got pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my baby daddy, Which is so wid to hear
Speaker 1: me say that, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, I just was doing a poll on Instagram
Speaker 3: today and asking people like what their thoughts are on
Speaker 3: like baby daddy, like the word baby daddy, baby mama,
Speaker 3: because we've been going back and forth with like merch
Speaker 3: and stuff and like wondering like because we're so like, yeah,
Speaker 3: baby mama, baby daddy, whatever the fuck, Like I'm a
Speaker 3: baby mama.
Speaker 1: I don't really think too deeply into.
Speaker 3: It, but I know that there is like a lot
Speaker 3: of comment there's a negative stigma around the words, especially
Speaker 3: as black women.
Speaker 1: Sure with the lack of marriage probably yeah, wed lock, no,
Speaker 1: so yeah, my baby daddy. I mean we were friends.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is like people were like because
Speaker 1: I was always gay in college and he would full
Speaker 1: football player. We both went to college together. He lived
Speaker 1: across the street from me. Like it was very convenient
Speaker 1: to get pregnant, I suppose, and I got pregnant. Oh
Speaker 1: there's that. And you know he was my homeboy, Like
Speaker 1: it was never like a romantic partner. Police believe I
Speaker 1: was gonna get pregnant by a nigga. I would have
Speaker 1: got somebody rich or like that. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm very well aware of what you're saying. Totally
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I can count on one hand how
Speaker 1: many guys I've been with.
Speaker 2: You know what was making you have sex with them?
Speaker 2: It's just like it's my homie, let's try it.
Speaker 1: First of all, we had sex once, so I get
Speaker 1: one time, one time, you got you. Yeah, I liked him.
Speaker 1: I liked him and he was just so different than
Speaker 1: any other guy. He didn't press upon me like he
Speaker 1: was just real sick. He took me out on a
Speaker 1: date and courted me like really on some like fairy
Speaker 1: tale type shit. I was like this, niggas not even
Speaker 1: like trying to like have sex with me for real,
Speaker 1: Like okay, you can stay around, You're safe. I have
Speaker 1: a girlfriend anyways, like you're safe and then no safe,
Speaker 1: not safe as fuck. But I didn't even know I
Speaker 1: was pregnant till I was like four months. Oh shit, yeah,
Speaker 1: because my period was already. Like you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: your nigga bitchin you know what I'm saying, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not the point about say ship might come next month,
Speaker 1: you know, like, and I'm like, titties hurt, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember my mom. Actually I think I was doing
Speaker 1: their insurance. So I wanted to go to the doctor.
Speaker 1: My mom took me or whatever, and that shit was wild.
Speaker 1: They told me right then and they're like, oh, do
Speaker 1: you want to hear the baby's heartbeat? I was like, bitch,
Speaker 1: what hold on? You're like what hold on? Wait? Wait
Speaker 1: I because this is like Grand Rapids, Michigan, the same
Speaker 1: kind of colleges, the same for you. I was like
Speaker 1: nineteen you were a baby, nineteen twenty with my mom
Speaker 1: going to get in the pap smear, just thinking I'm
Speaker 1: getting the pap smear and.
Speaker 3: At this point your mom. You were out at fifteen,
Speaker 3: so your mom always.
Speaker 1: At this point, my mom's like, you know, thinking like okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I knew it. I don't know you, Jesus, I knew
Speaker 1: she would come around. Jesus, I know it, taloy. What
Speaker 1: I told you, Well, the dresses out right right, right right,
Speaker 1: So I went. I took her out to like some
Speaker 1: mediocre ash like Applebe's or some show or Chili's and
Speaker 1: how I was like, I got something to tell you,
Speaker 1: and she was like, you're pregnant. And I was like, go,
Speaker 1: did you know? She was like, your titties ain't never
Speaker 1: been big like that on a table, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I guess it really is true. Your mama really do
Speaker 1: know when you problem.
Speaker 3: Mom must be knowing for real. So what I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously you always have it. There's always options. What was
Speaker 3: your reasoning for keeping well?
Speaker 1: I asked my mom. I said, what what am I
Speaker 1: supposed to do? And I'm adopted. I've been known I
Speaker 1: was adopted. I've have a very pretty good relationship with
Speaker 1: my mom as far as that aspect goes. So I
Speaker 1: knew that adoption wasn't going to be an option that
Speaker 1: would be too. I could never carry your mind. I
Speaker 1: cared you for that long. You're I'm getting taxes or
Speaker 1: something like. But also my mom said this was her
Speaker 1: word defining rich. She's like, whatever you decide to do,
Speaker 1: I support, but make sure that if you do bring
Speaker 1: that baby into this world, that you know that baby's first.
Speaker 1: It's no longer you anymore. It's that child first. And
Speaker 1: if you can't do that, then you let that baby
Speaker 1: go to heaven. Oh wow, wow, I mean that was
Speaker 1: very progressive question, mom. I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 1: good the heaven part was. She believed that all babies
Speaker 1: are innocent and then their soul is going to go
Speaker 1: to heaven. So if you're not, don't put that baby
Speaker 1: through hell when that baby can. It was a bit
Speaker 1: late though, anyway. Was it too late? I think I
Speaker 1: was like the first my trime match. I think she
Speaker 1: might have like one three days.
Speaker 2: I mean she had about three days, right, Yeah, So
Speaker 2: what was your process and trying to figure out we
Speaker 2: weren't going to do adoption?
Speaker 1: Like what was your process? Like you said you had
Speaker 1: a girlfriend at the time, girl, I don't know what
Speaker 1: was I was like this emoji with like the hands,
Speaker 1: like I didn't know, like I got pregnant, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the f. And the worst part was like I
Speaker 1: was thinking about being like shunned from my own community.
Speaker 1: That was probably the biggest pressure. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like the lesbian community.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was that also because because you sleeping with
Speaker 3: a man was definitely not something you're sharing blasphemous.
Speaker 1: Well, it's called them dick dikes. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: If you you know a former lesbian, break it down,
Speaker 2: break it down the former lesbian. I will say, the
Speaker 2: lesbian community is not always that inclusive.
Speaker 1: Dick decks, dykes. Okay, let me stop saying dikes. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: The Niga bitches, it's getting better, use the right term.
Speaker 2: Nika bitch just don't want to admit when they like dick,
Speaker 2: and there probably a lot of them are getting it
Speaker 2: on the low. Actually, you have a girlfriend, you know
Speaker 2: who the fuck you are? You little lying, stealing, little
Speaker 2: Nigo bitch bitch who was calling me a dick dick
Speaker 2: because I was bisexual, but also.
Speaker 1: Come to find out, I was getting dick on the side.
Speaker 3: So you are a hardcore lesbian.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I was, but I was a hardcore bisexual. At the time,
Speaker 2: bisexual was the term, and I was proud. I was like,
Speaker 2: I am a bisexual because just like raw, I knew
Speaker 2: when I was like five or six that I liked
Speaker 2: Niga bitches. I had a tomboyfriend and I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get over there.
Speaker 1: Just fuck with Asia.
Speaker 2: So when I knew I was bisexual, but I went
Speaker 2: to like I was in Atlanta, where the gayness was
Speaker 2: Oh lord Jesus. It took me from a little bit
Speaker 2: lesbian too full blown lesbian. But I remember going to
Speaker 2: this there used to be in like an LBGG a
Speaker 2: lesbian meeting at Spelman called I don't know why they
Speaker 2: call it Afrikiiti or some shit, but I remember being like,
Speaker 2: I'm a bisexual and I'm like and to them, it's
Speaker 2: like you want your cake and eat it too. Like
Speaker 2: the lesbian community don't really respect bisexuals, and they don't
Speaker 2: respect Dick's getting dick on the left.
Speaker 3: This reminds me of that Dave Schappelle's kit in the Car.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely so accurate. Oh no, you're completely accurate. It's
Speaker 1: been a lot, been very much progressive. But I can
Speaker 1: contest that bisexuals had no place in the lesbian community.
Speaker 1: It was like you had to pick where you had
Speaker 1: to and if you were a nigga bitch, you had
Speaker 1: to be like the most niggerish of nigga bitches, Like
Speaker 1: you had to have your Pelly pals s. I was
Speaker 1: forty two and you only wore a twenty eight. My
Speaker 1: nigga like you had to wear motherfucking times all year round,
Speaker 1: have a fucking like. It was a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: to be, like, to fit this binary that you supposedly
Speaker 1: are trying to, you know, get away from and coming
Speaker 1: into coming into no I mean, I'm like, I'm issy
Speaker 1: coming into rejecting these labels and finding myself because I've
Speaker 1: always been very fluid. Even with the nigga bitch in Detroit,
Speaker 1: I was still very like soft stem. I was a stem.
Speaker 2: A softer snigga bitch is called a stem and the
Speaker 2: better term for niggad bitches stud.
Speaker 3: I feel like on this episode, I just need like
Speaker 3: terms and the definitions got that David.
Speaker 1: Stem a nigga bitch that's soft, but the stems would
Speaker 1: get all the bitches because a stem was safe. A stem,
Speaker 1: you might have a little bring that stem home to
Speaker 1: your mama. She might not think anything. She might not
Speaker 1: know you fucking that stem know they're safe. I just
Speaker 1: got a lot of bitches in Detroit. I bet you
Speaker 1: did I look at I said, I could tell you
Speaker 1: I love a STEM. But coming into the link, I
Speaker 1: think becoming more acclimated, educated with the language, no realizing like,
Speaker 1: I'm not really like an ag or a stud either,
Speaker 1: because like is an aggressive which is a New York term.
Speaker 2: It's an aggressive female. So you can maybe show up
Speaker 2: looking more feminine, but you.
Speaker 1: Your role is more dominant. You're an ag. That's a
Speaker 1: New York term, like house like the balls, and that's
Speaker 1: and that's when I started learning those these terms. I
Speaker 1: was in a couple of houses actually, like around eighteen
Speaker 1: nineteen years old, which yeah, I was in a house
Speaker 1: of Da Vinci and I was also in element Houses
Speaker 1: are so like Poe so well, if you guys don't know,
Speaker 1: houses basically are a community of people that come together
Speaker 1: for gender fluid and gender not conforming, trans gay individuals.
Speaker 1: And it originated for people that didn't have any place
Speaker 1: to go, whether they're astracized by their families and they
Speaker 1: were out in the streets. So you have like a
Speaker 1: house mother, which often would be a trans woman, or
Speaker 1: like a house father would often be a trans male,
Speaker 1: whether they pre opter have actually had their surgery or not,
Speaker 1: and they were taking their children and it'd be a
Speaker 1: place for refuge, a community, peace, food shelter off the street.
Speaker 1: And then on Fridays they turn up and start, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Then they compete against each other's houses and weird categories
Speaker 2: like best athletic boy, face best.
Speaker 1: Like it's like all these weird categories.
Speaker 2: And then like walk, sex sirens, like all these beautiful
Speaker 2: costumes and face dress.
Speaker 1: I've been to a few of those. I'm dreaming of it.
Speaker 1: A lot of drugs there. It goes on all night,
Speaker 1: never ends, but it's really handsome here. I heard there's
Speaker 1: there's really good. Yeah we'll have to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah we should. I know, And I know
Speaker 1: a couple of people that are that walk, so I
Speaker 1: have not gone to any, but everything's opening about you. Walk.
Speaker 1: I did walk. I just posted I said if anybody
Speaker 1: has any pictures for me circa two thousand, two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, walking business stead with this big ass fucking
Speaker 1: Steve Harvey shoulder path take my booms down. No titties
Speaker 1: for real. So I was always had two sports bras
Speaker 1: and I and I was good but just looking ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It is an interesting culture, I'll say it is.
Speaker 2: When I first became a lesbian and I started going
Speaker 2: to gate clubs, I was like, can I.
Speaker 1: Sign up for this for the rest of my life?
Speaker 2: These bitches love to slow dance and karaoke to slow
Speaker 2: dam songs. I'm like, every time I went to a
Speaker 2: motherfucking lesbian party there was a performance. They weren't really
Speaker 2: performing though their lip syncing and they was body rolling,
Speaker 2: and I just wasn't sure if I could sign up
Speaker 2: for a lifetime of these type of party.
Speaker 1: New Windows in Detroit Palladium, Detroit. I used to perform
Speaker 1: and lip sync my life away to every Nelly song.
Speaker 1: I had abandoned all my motherfucker Could you see the
Speaker 1: Nelly a little bit I had abandoned on my motherfuck
Speaker 1: I I'm trying to tell you and me and my nigga,
Speaker 1: my other nigga, bitch Tay Freaky. They did usher and
Speaker 1: we had collas.
Speaker 3: We'd be out there like shit versus yes, and the
Speaker 3: bitches would go crazy for those performances.
Speaker 2: A few times in Atlanta, Miami. Yeah, I just want
Speaker 2: to shout out to Club Miami. If you are in
Speaker 2: the gay community at any point in the last fifteen years,
Speaker 2: you were there Club Miami.
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, so go back, because so you found out
Speaker 3: you were pregnant.
Speaker 1: Was this mama told you? Was told.
Speaker 3: She said either gonna be a mama or she gonna
Speaker 3: go to heaven or he gonna go to heaven. So
Speaker 3: then what was the process of you then telling your
Speaker 3: friend or your baby daddy, your girlfriend?
Speaker 1: Why not my girlfriend yet? No? Not this girl? Well
Speaker 1: the girlfriend right, but by the time I didn't have
Speaker 1: her until after I kicked under the curtain. So he
Speaker 1: was going through all types of shit. Mind you already
Speaker 1: had like two kids, and he was like going through
Speaker 1: like an eviction. I had to put a shit out there.
Speaker 1: But it's true, and so I try to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: help out and like look like I know the week
Speaker 1: at co parent, I do not want to be with you,
Speaker 1: but i'd also don't want to like see you like
Speaker 1: out on the streets. That's that's the pice he's in me.
Speaker 1: I'm an impact. Yeah, a bunch of water signs up here,
Speaker 1: and that's my my moon Okay. Yeah. So I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, nigga, like I have a two bedroom. You
Speaker 1: know you can stay with me. We can try to
Speaker 1: figure this shit out because at least I know where
Speaker 1: you're at, and when I'm also in college, you can
Speaker 1: help me out with the kid. This niggas ain't shit.
Speaker 1: Like just niggas creeped into my bed at night I'm
Speaker 1: pregnant and then creeped into my bed and violated like
Speaker 1: like me, like and gets in bed with me, and
Speaker 1: like I just felt like all my skin just crawl
Speaker 1: and I'm just and mind you I'm pregnant, and.
Speaker 3: Especially that too, I mean because for me, when I
Speaker 3: was pregnant, I was the last thing I wanted.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 3: I don't get the fuck away from me, Like my
Speaker 3: body is confused.
Speaker 1: I fee these little like feet running on the inside
Speaker 1: of my stomach if like some alien versus predator shit,
Speaker 1: Like I feel annoying, like and you're a nigga and
Speaker 1: I don't want you on me an you ain't got
Speaker 1: no money and I might out of this baby, so
Speaker 1: it's like, what the fuck are you doing? Bro? And
Speaker 1: that's when I was like Noah. And then when I
Speaker 1: put that boundary down, he got weird, he got super
Speaker 1: weird and super like you know, fella back and I
Speaker 1: wasn't about to beg or push anybody for any I said,
Speaker 1: I'm moving to LA in like ten months, so figure
Speaker 1: it out. If not, I'm out. And that's what I did,
Speaker 1: and we've been out here ever since. Do you guys
Speaker 1: have a good relationship now, I don't know what that means. Well,
Speaker 1: so I know where he's at. So he bet he's
Speaker 1: not a part of his son's life. No, absolutely no,
Speaker 1: So he's not shit? Well you know, no, you can't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, okay, so I can judge him, No,
Speaker 2: I can judge him at this present moment. If you
Speaker 2: ain't a part of your kid's life, if you listen
Speaker 2: and you ain't a part of your kid's life, you
Speaker 2: know where the fuck they at, and you ain't a
Speaker 2: part of him, You're not shit.
Speaker 1: Everyone's on a journey, you know. I know. And this
Speaker 1: is what I say to my son because this is
Speaker 1: a real conversation piece because I'm not like bitter with him.
Speaker 1: We never had anything. It was not romantic, so there's
Speaker 1: no like whatever, Like if you really wanted to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, come and pay me that twenty five grand
Speaker 1: of arrears that he owes me and like, you know,
Speaker 1: like jump back in and try to do something for sure,
Speaker 1: my nigga, Like let's have a conversation, like I know
Speaker 1: where you're at, you know where I'm at. It is
Speaker 1: what it is. But what I don't do is ever
Speaker 1: talk bad about him in front of myself. No, no like
Speaker 1: or even like, and even he might want to, because
Speaker 1: he's a conscious twelve year old that knows that dad
Speaker 1: is not there and has other children and he's looking
Speaker 1: at this situation like why why didn't he get it together?
Speaker 1: What's up with that? And having to have those conversations
Speaker 1: with him and be honest, I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: like I want you to forgive him, please, I need
Speaker 1: you to forgive him. And that's starting that now so
Speaker 1: that by the time he does get old and really proud,
Speaker 1: like how my mom told me I was adopted early on,
Speaker 1: where I didn't understand it, and then by the time
Speaker 1: I was in third grade, I was like, oh, I'm adopted,
Speaker 1: this normal versus being I'm adopted at seventeen years old,
Speaker 1: like I'm fucked up. You know. It's like maybe one
Speaker 1: day you guys will have a relationship, and I would
Speaker 1: love that because I braise you to be a brilliant
Speaker 1: young man. And if he wants to jump on the
Speaker 1: bandwagon and you can have a relationship with him. I
Speaker 1: know I did my job regardless, but you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of times because it is that
Speaker 1: it would be easy for me to be like that nigga.
Speaker 1: Shit fucked that nigga's little dick ass. Like you know what, Chazz,
Speaker 1: if you're watching this, pay me my money, nig and.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, God, bless you bro,
Speaker 2: God bless you Chas.
Speaker 1: She's a good woman. She wasn't even talking shit about
Speaker 1: you chat.
Speaker 3: What was your birthing experience? Like, did you have a
Speaker 3: natural birth? Sea section?
Speaker 1: It's so at a sea section and it was actually
Speaker 1: not expected because I wanted to have natural birth. I
Speaker 1: really thought I was gonna do like the no epidural.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm a nigga, bitch. We haven't we
Speaker 1: popping this baby. I'm natural, you got this, I'm you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was squat right, squatt push right,
Speaker 1: I'm little with the baby, gonna be little too, you
Speaker 1: know what? I'm saying, like little lowie I was doing
Speaker 1: cart was on the beach, like eight months pregnant. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I gained eleven pounds?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: How the fuck? One thirty one I'm pissed. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: thirty one was my Wow. I went in for my
Speaker 1: thirty How many pounds did you? Probably fourteen?
Speaker 2: No, I gained thirty thirty pounds, thirty to thirty five pounds.
Speaker 2: But literally after the six weeks was up, I was
Speaker 2: back to ninety eight. I was like ninety six. I
Speaker 2: had lost two pounds extra. It was literally just my
Speaker 2: belly musta literally weighed thirty pounds because how much was it,
Speaker 2: how much the baby was she was she came early.
Speaker 2: She was like five pounds twelve ounces, eleven or eighty.
Speaker 1: See how that works.
Speaker 3: Well, my daughter was six pounds eleven ounces, and I
Speaker 3: gained seventy pounds, So I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Seventy pounds. Oh yeah, girl. I was eating for four
Speaker 1: as you should. Shit, I would do it differently.
Speaker 3: I was in pain. Towards the end. I was just
Speaker 3: being just gluttonous. It was just a lot.
Speaker 1: Because at the end, it's just like fuck, my life.
Speaker 1: Are you coming? Are not? The end is not? Oh
Speaker 1: yeah that is not good. Yeah. He was taken early.
Speaker 1: Actually I was just full term thirty six weeks went in.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, let's do it aminosentisis. You're losing weight.
Speaker 1: And I said okay, and they're like, oh, there's joking.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take the night. I said, what bitch. So
Speaker 1: we went back and had like a little pizza party
Speaker 1: and monopoly thing at my house. Guess what you do
Speaker 1: when you about have a baby? What you had a
Speaker 1: pizza party? Yeah, we mean like my niggas and nigga
Speaker 1: bit just came over, so they supported, they rounded around.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure after they babies make everybody happy, right,
Speaker 1: that's true. Nobody can get nobody can really hate on
Speaker 1: a baby, even if you're pissed off or whatever. Like
Speaker 1: it's a baby. And I think I was like the
Speaker 1: pioneer of like the nigga bitches having babies. But even
Speaker 1: then I was very unapologetic about it, like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got pregnant, obviously, nigga like I fucked, I'd be fucking.
Speaker 1: I fucked one time.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, yeah, if we look at it, it's such
Speaker 2: a gift you know, like sometimes you look at the
Speaker 2: obstacles we go through kids and all this shit, and
Speaker 2: like how you were not expecting it, and you can
Speaker 2: look back and be like, damn, that was so intentional,
Speaker 2: so on purpose. Everything happens for a reason, even you
Speaker 2: and I. You know, when I think about my journey
Speaker 2: as a parent and like now I'm a single parent
Speaker 2: and I'm wearing my baby mama flag high, but all
Speaker 2: like what if if us didn't have a kid, there'd
Speaker 2: be no good moms, no true So there's so much
Speaker 2: like some.
Speaker 1: Divine I'd be in Japan somewhere fucking it up. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It sounds like something adventurous as fuck, though. No,
Speaker 1: I agree with you on Matt thousand percent. Like I
Speaker 1: told my mom when I was six years old, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to adopt a boy and move to California,
Speaker 1: and you manifested it. I did. I had no idea
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Speaker 1: is my spitting image your twins. Like I saw his picture.
Speaker 1: He's so beautiful, thank you, so beautiful. He's a good kid.
Speaker 1: Uh So I agree with you, like it's bigger than us.
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Speaker 1: So you had the baby, you had a scerian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I had and my mom was able to record
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Oh that was wild. So she came
Speaker 1: out for your birth my mom, uh huh. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: was the hospital the whole time. Yeah, I had all
Speaker 1: the support. To be honest with you, it was just
Speaker 1: my baby daddy that would just and even now he'd
Speaker 1: still be like, mm check it in check your temperature. Yes,
Speaker 1: he just texts. I'm like, what do you want, Jazz.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, maybe you could have send me
Speaker 1: some pictures. I'm like, Chazz has he ever spoken to him? No.
Speaker 2: Wow, so interesting that he still checks in occasionally but
Speaker 2: won't pick up the phone, like we'll type to you,
Speaker 2: but not be like give me his.
Speaker 1: Number, let me call. Well, he's not gonna he doesn't
Speaker 1: have access to call him, Like no, I means, say,
Speaker 1: can I want to call him through you? And I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't allow that because there's not enough stability there
Speaker 1: and you're not about to get my son hope, So
Speaker 1: you're yeah, that's not fair and I have to like
Speaker 1: be protective over that. And it's not even about the money,
Speaker 1: because I think his child support order is like embarrassing,
Speaker 1: embarrassingly like ninety eight dollars a month is what they
Speaker 1: give me. That's all they order him to pay. So
Speaker 1: it's not even like what So it's not even about that.
Speaker 1: It's like the principle like I could never imagine not
Speaker 1: wanting to be in my something I created.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know how that works, knowing that
Speaker 3: there's like a piece of you out in the world
Speaker 3: floating around and you have no clue concept if he's safe,
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 1: Like anything? Missing out on so many beautiful amazing moment
Speaker 1: I am and not to divulge into this, but I
Speaker 1: recently found my biological family. Oh wow, my mom is
Speaker 1: deported in Mexico and my dad just recently died in
Speaker 1: like Wisconsin. They were like pimps and like had his
Speaker 1: escorts like service all whoa stories is wild. And my
Speaker 1: uncle who's my dad's brother, is a retired like you
Speaker 1: know o G who lives in LA And so to
Speaker 1: that point is like you met him. I met every Yeah, everybody,
Speaker 1: I've met. Everybody's like both my parents, I met all
Speaker 1: their other children beautiful you know humans. And your mom
Speaker 1: was a pimp too, No, my mom My father was
Speaker 1: a pan okay, and my mom was like his main whatever.
Speaker 2: This is amazing, Like this nigga bitch has produced from
Speaker 2: a church family and a family of pimps.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like this nigga bitch really comes from
Speaker 1: my biological family. If I was like, oh it all
Speaker 1: makes sense, well, I'll be a street rat, I would
Speaker 1: have been in the streets. I already know my brother,
Speaker 1: like my biological brother, who was raised with both of them,
Speaker 1: you know, completely night and day, you know, and God
Speaker 1: bless them. But it's like he was acclimated in that
Speaker 1: culture right, and he saw things that you know that
Speaker 1: I didn't see. So seeing how kind of like what happened,
Speaker 1: how I kind of got safe some protection. Yeah, you're protected.
Speaker 1: Environment really does matter. Facts, absolutely, yeah. Facts.
Speaker 3: So how as you know a mother, how have you
Speaker 3: kind of I guess, shown your son and incorporated him
Speaker 3: and understanding you know, your life and your life and
Speaker 3: like who you are because obviously the world is going
Speaker 3: to show up and have opinions and tell him.
Speaker 1: What's supposed to be.
Speaker 3: But obviously speaking of just being you know, upfront about
Speaker 3: everything early like your mother was, and how you are, Like,
Speaker 3: how do you talk about like? I mean, I think
Speaker 3: this book too is such an amazing way for you know,
Speaker 3: children to really understand you know, binary and gender and
Speaker 3: all those things.
Speaker 1: But how do you do that as a parent, So
Speaker 1: just the same way that you would with heterosexual stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just that I just teach love, you know, and
Speaker 1: me and him are very transparent because I think we
Speaker 1: also with a lot of like single mom and boy dynamics,
Speaker 1: it's important to know what you're capable of and which
Speaker 1: you're not capable of. So I get out of my
Speaker 1: own way and I do make sure that he has
Speaker 1: got like a black male influence. I'd make sure he's
Speaker 1: got a trainer. You know, he's got that that because
Speaker 1: my son's more sensitive, and I know he's more sensitive
Speaker 1: because we are so open and loving and understanding. And
Speaker 1: so when it comes to like talks about like bullying,
Speaker 1: he's gonna cape for somebody before he bullies. He's going differences.
Speaker 1: Is somebody were to ever talk about me, He's gonna
Speaker 1: cape for me. He's like, it doesn't matter, you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't matter who. I asked him, what
Speaker 1: would you say if a little boy came to your
Speaker 1: school and want to wear a dress, what would you
Speaker 1: say to him? He's like, I'm not wearing the dress,
Speaker 1: so why does it matter? I wouldn't wear a dress.
Speaker 1: But if he wants to wear a dress, you can
Speaker 1: wear what he wants to wear. And so just kind
Speaker 1: of picking his brain. And at one point I did
Speaker 1: ask him, you know, like about his sexuality, because I
Speaker 1: feel like we should be able to have those conversations, right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, some girls like girls
Speaker 1: like mom, some boys like boys, you know, and what
Speaker 1: do you think about that? He's like about what I was, like,
Speaker 1: girls liking girls. He was like, what do you think
Speaker 1: about boys? Like? Boys?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Nah? Straight? Then that check? Well, I don't want him
Speaker 1: have to go through all the fucked up should I?
Speaker 1: Fucking and if he does change, decide to be gay? Whatever?
Speaker 1: Who fucking cares? Right? But you know, just having those
Speaker 1: regular we talked about masturbation early on. You're our type
Speaker 1: of mom. You're part of the tribe girl. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is this we gotta like neutralize these conversations.
Speaker 1: They're normal conversation. My sex talk with my mom, If
Speaker 1: you guys had a sex talk, mine was terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was rather non existent. And that's most people's most
Speaker 1: people's explanation of that. And I don't understand why that is,
Speaker 1: Like why is that so unnatural talk about sex?
Speaker 2: Like how do you think we all got here? And
Speaker 2: what do you think was gonna happen as soon as
Speaker 2: those motherfucking hormones?
Speaker 1: It? Well, my mom's mom told her that she was
Speaker 1: born from the cabbage patch, and she believed that though
Speaker 1: she was twenty two years out of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: My mom was a bird cabbage chit cabbage ye, No, no,
Speaker 1: that's how naive. Oh, my god, I went behind the ears.
Speaker 1: They were in Mississippi, right, you know.
Speaker 2: I think also a big misconception too, is like being
Speaker 2: a parent that's not gender conforming, or if you are
Speaker 2: gay or fluid or whatever your sexuality is, that raising
Speaker 2: a child and being transparent about your gender, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever your sexuality is, that your kid is automatically also
Speaker 2: going to be gay, And like, that's so dumb and stupid.
Speaker 1: You know, because straight people create gay kids all the time.
Speaker 1: Like that's a fact. You find gay kids their parents
Speaker 1: are just as fucking straight as fucking us faggots. We're
Speaker 1: not creating gay kids. We're creating sensitive, good human beings
Speaker 1: that are more understanding to the construct or the lack
Speaker 1: of construct of gender. So my son got a vocabulary
Speaker 1: about certain shit that the average kid is not going
Speaker 1: because mama cut her titties off. And he was right there, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: how is how did he feel about that? Was? Were
Speaker 1: you like, this is what I'm gonna do? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I never when I say nigga bit, she'd be like, mom, like,
Speaker 1: you can't say that. I'm not supposed to say that.
Speaker 1: He gets tickled, he's so tickled by my language he
Speaker 1: wasn't surprised. I don't know, maybe maybe because we were
Speaker 1: just so desensitized because everything is just so normal in
Speaker 1: my household, you know, except like talking back and like
Speaker 1: doing wild like white kid shit. But like as far
Speaker 1: as like I told him, Hey, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have the surgery because I want to feel better in
Speaker 1: my body. I want my clothes to fit the way
Speaker 1: that I want them to fit. And I work at
Speaker 1: this mediocre job and have great insurance and I want
Speaker 1: to use it. So like, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Diould do? What makes you happy? You know? Are you
Speaker 1: gonna be okay? What kind of surgery is it? You know?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 1: Is it that kids don't give a fuck? Fru No,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: You know when you give your kids like you have
Speaker 3: these honest conversations with them and you really just leave
Speaker 3: space for them, they are able to decide so much
Speaker 3: more for themselves, like him deciding that like yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I'm I mean he's still there's still it's still up
Speaker 3: for debate, like however he chooses to identify or whatever.
Speaker 3: But he's like, nah, that's not appealing to me, you know,
Speaker 3: And for someone who is like like you said, like
Speaker 3: these sis parents, they might be like, oh no, he's
Speaker 3: for sure going to be gay, Like absolutely, there's no
Speaker 3: point like she has, you know, these types of people
Speaker 3: around him.
Speaker 1: He's exposing him.
Speaker 3: To think she's exposing him to things that he never
Speaker 3: would have been exposed to. And now he knows too
Speaker 3: much because it's that's like the always the thing is
Speaker 3: like kids knowing too much. It's like, so we want
Speaker 3: them to know that little.
Speaker 1: We want them to know too little. Wait, what about
Speaker 1: the ones that like get like Noble preachpin is at
Speaker 1: like eight years old.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a big thing. I feel like in
Speaker 2: the black community that we hear a lot. I think
Speaker 2: there's such a taboo in talking about like shit like
Speaker 2: gender fluidity and like having you know your sexuality first
Speaker 2: of all, those things that are confused and bunched in a lot,
Speaker 2: like how you identify as a gender and what your
Speaker 2: sexuality is.
Speaker 1: But what do you say, because I had this conversation with.
Speaker 2: One of my friends recently, Orlando, what do you say
Speaker 2: about black people in the black community who think that Okay,
Speaker 2: first of all, do you think that these are topics
Speaker 2: that we should discuss in schools? Like, I think people
Speaker 2: as we become more progressive as a country or as
Speaker 2: a world, and we're having language for these things, they
Speaker 2: them she the pronouns are being pushed in all these
Speaker 2: other areas, like in school and maybe the images we
Speaker 2: see in TV and commercials, you may see two dads
Speaker 2: or two moms.
Speaker 1: What do you say about black people.
Speaker 2: Who think that there is a gay agenda being put
Speaker 2: on the black community, because you know, I hear that
Speaker 2: a lot, we all do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that all the time too, Like.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's something we should talk about
Speaker 2: in schools or they should like have in Disney movies
Speaker 2: or Disney shows.
Speaker 1: I just don't know where the agenda's coming from exactly,
Speaker 1: because gay people have been gay since the beginning of
Speaker 1: gaytum Like, seriously, we go into all cultures of where
Speaker 1: gay like and third genders predate anything from this generation
Speaker 1: little in colonialism, so it's like, you know, in Africa
Speaker 1: and ancient Africa, there's third genders that are praised for
Speaker 1: being and for men that look like women, and even
Speaker 1: they're even praised for being with other women. And because
Speaker 1: as long as it's fluid, it makes sense, and they're
Speaker 1: praising gun, It's like doesn't really matter. So all this
Speaker 1: like this language and construct of agendas is really just
Speaker 1: for me projection of their own insecurities of the conversation piece,
Speaker 1: because if it doesn't affect you, shouldn't really matter. For
Speaker 1: having a conversation about it doesn't affect you personally.
Speaker 3: I think like that from what I gather from this conversation,
Speaker 3: not our conversation, but from this conversation that you know,
Speaker 3: people in our community say, is that like it's already
Speaker 3: hard enough to be black, right, and then like now
Speaker 3: you want to now with there being so much access
Speaker 3: and so much information. And I would even say that,
Speaker 3: like I think that most people have the I think
Speaker 3: most people are bisexual in my opinion, I think that
Speaker 3: scientist no, I think that they are. I think that
Speaker 3: society has, you know, decided gender roles and decided what
Speaker 3: is appropriate, right, yeah, like you know, and people you
Speaker 3: know disagree and be like I there is no I
Speaker 3: have no interest in women. I have no interest in
Speaker 3: Then that very well may be true. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that the heterosexual like people don't exist like through
Speaker 3: and through without being told, Like we locked you in
Speaker 3: a room and you had no access to the internet,
Speaker 3: like you chose to be with them, like your son,
Speaker 3: you know, for example, like he has all the access
Speaker 3: to everything, and you know, we'll see, but maybe when
Speaker 3: he by the time he's really into you know, women
Speaker 3: or men or whoever like that, will know. But I
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 3: the fact that, like you know, in the black community,
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, they're saying like they say that obviously
Speaker 3: it's not they say, it's a fact that it is.
Speaker 1: Hard to be black. But like then also everyone in
Speaker 1: this it's kind of popular to be bisexual now, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's like a trend to be bisexual. Whereas I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think it's a trend. I think most people
Speaker 1: just have it in them and now they're kind of
Speaker 1: realizing that they have options. But then I also know
Speaker 1: that there's also people that just.
Speaker 3: Want to get on the bandwagon and be cool and
Speaker 3: think like, oh, I know, I I do like women
Speaker 3: and you know, but because of that, they're saying like
Speaker 3: that the youth having all these options.
Speaker 1: Are so easily impressions, are so easily.
Speaker 3: Impressionable, and it's ruining black people. It's ruining you know,
Speaker 3: us to already feel empowered enough to be black, but
Speaker 3: now you know, you're throwing in all these other things
Speaker 3: that are making it even harder or maybe diluting, Like
Speaker 3: I guess like that is why I feel like men
Speaker 3: would say it's like.
Speaker 1: Like the black man diluting the black man. And that's
Speaker 1: what I've heard even recently on on that post that
Speaker 1: I posted on because Ashley called me. She facetied me
Speaker 1: right after she posted the video and she's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here come the hotep niggas. How we gonna do what
Speaker 1: these hotep niggas like, what do you mean? And like
Speaker 1: the very mean things that they're saying, which is like,
Speaker 1: like I said, you look at and bring it back
Speaker 1: to them because it's not a personal attack. Secondly, I mean,
Speaker 1: who's they, you know, projecting the gay because if anything,
Speaker 1: people right now feel so proud to be transparent because
Speaker 1: they feel safe to be transparent about being gay. Nobody
Speaker 1: wants to just I'm speaking lightly, but nobody just fucking
Speaker 1: wants to be gay to make shit easy harder on themselves.
Speaker 1: No boy, no black boy in America's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just want to be a gay black male be
Speaker 1: called a faggot and be harassed all my fucking life.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants that. If anything, it's more like hey, like
Speaker 1: like women, though for girls it's different. It is unfortunately
Speaker 1: absolutely you know it's acceptable. Yeah, it's acceptible. But then
Speaker 1: even as okay, okay, So at what point do I
Speaker 1: put the line down and say, hey, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's cool that you're fetishizing me as a woman because
Speaker 1: you think it's cool to kiss a girl. And I've
Speaker 1: had that happen where women like, oh my god, you're
Speaker 1: so hot. I would totally like, bitch, you're not, and
Speaker 1: don't touch me. I'll beat your ass Like it's not
Speaker 1: cause it's like it's it's so acceptable now we're so
Speaker 1: cool and trendy, and it's like, bitch, get off me.
Speaker 1: Like last year you weren't fucking with me exactly, and
Speaker 1: I'm still not fucking with you. So it's like, let's
Speaker 1: let's have boundaries and say, like, my, I don't my
Speaker 1: sexuality be to fetishized because who I'm fucking has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with me being gay or not. It's still
Speaker 1: gonna be private whether I'm sis, straight, fluid, no titty
Speaker 1: or not. You're not gonna be fucking me. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about my sexuality all the time
Speaker 1: because it's just a small part of me. I'm a
Speaker 1: lot of other things other than being gay. So it's like,
Speaker 1: if that's what you see, what in your mind is
Speaker 1: being projected right now? Why do you? And that's a
Speaker 1: conversation piece. But as far as in the history and
Speaker 1: the schools, why not it's happening, It's gonna be empowering.
Speaker 1: If I have this book growing up, I would have
Speaker 1: had so much more sense of self growing up and
Speaker 1: filling validated with who I was as a kid, and
Speaker 1: probably would have finished school a lot faster. You know,
Speaker 1: I would have went right after. I'm a high school dropout.
Speaker 1: I dropped out because I did not have the community
Speaker 1: at sixteen years old. I have a PSA right now,
Speaker 1: bad council about me dropping out of high school because
Speaker 1: of how fucked up it was in the black community.
Speaker 1: The same people that you know are saying whatever, whatever, whatever, Like, no,
Speaker 1: they were not supporting me growing up. They were turning
Speaker 1: their backs on me. When I was in the pe
Speaker 1: room locker rooms. They thought I was like looking at them.
Speaker 1: The girls were I'm like, bitch, could over yourself, and
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down, sos. No, we need these conversations,
Speaker 1: but more importantly, we need these conversations with love where
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you don't understand what's going on. I
Speaker 1: get it. My negativeh is confusing as fuck. I misgender
Speaker 1: some people. Sometimes I be on on platforms where I'm
Speaker 1: talking to other trans you know, humans, where I have
Speaker 1: to like tell myself, okay, Cognitively, I know that I
Speaker 1: need to be right with this language. I would hate to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, disrespect anybody, and even as a fluid person,
Speaker 1: if I'm having these conversations with myself, shit, how am
Speaker 1: I supposed to expect the eighty year old black women
Speaker 1: in church to be like, call me they right, look
Speaker 1: at the fuck over yourself Like it's a new conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm happy we're having a conversation. I'm honored we're having it.
Speaker 1: But like to my they them's and my trans humans,
Speaker 1: who's valid and experience is completely validated, they ought to
Speaker 1: let loosen up a little bit and let these motherfucking
Speaker 1: conversations happen so we can be more progressive with this
Speaker 1: shit versus like always being so uptight and being mad
Speaker 1: somebody misgendered you like they're going to as long as
Speaker 1: you know it's it's a learning well.
Speaker 3: I think when you put like you know, when when
Speaker 3: you get immediately angry, for example, at an eighty year
Speaker 3: old woman or something, it immediately stops the conversation, right,
Speaker 3: you don't even get the opportunity to educate someone, to
Speaker 3: change someone's minds and let them understand you. And then
Speaker 3: it just creates boundaries in so many walls that like,
Speaker 3: we don't have to we don't have to have Do
Speaker 3: you don't?
Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself a transhuman?
Speaker 2: I don't because when I called Ashley, then I called
Speaker 2: her other friend, y'all, you know, our other tribe member, Jessica,
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, actually put.
Speaker 1: Us in touch with her mom friend who's trans and
Speaker 1: she's transgender. She's a mom and she was like, raw
Speaker 1: is not transgender. I'm like, look at Ashley game fucking
Speaker 1: me up. I'm gonna be fucking the labels up as
Speaker 1: soon as I meet her, because Ashley doesn't lie to me.
Speaker 1: But I think actually not incorrect in her thinking because
Speaker 1: a lot of people believe that non binary falls under
Speaker 1: the trans spectrum, but it doesn't, right, it can it
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily you know what, I let that for whoever
Speaker 1: the fuck is by being identified like scientifically biologically. I
Speaker 1: understand where that comes from, because if you have cis
Speaker 1: gendered scientifically and then you have transgender, anything that's not
Speaker 1: cis gendered would necessarily fall under the transender. For where
Speaker 1: I am, I believe cis gender's right here, trans is
Speaker 1: right here, and on that spectrum, I believe I'm right
Speaker 1: in the middle between the two, which is why I
Speaker 1: still go by she and they them is applicable as well.
Speaker 1: But I would never tell somebody that's non bindar that
Speaker 1: they're not trans if that's what they identify us, and
Speaker 1: that's very important for that language to be open for them.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us more about your book. I really
Speaker 3: want you know, our listeners to first of all, buy
Speaker 3: this book because I feel like this is such an
Speaker 3: important book to read to all kids. It should be
Speaker 3: in schools. I think this is so important. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think I haven't got a chance to read all
Speaker 3: of it was because you just gifted it to me.
Speaker 3: But I was skimming through it and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is this could change like someone's
Speaker 3: life in school and they read that and be like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, me too, or.
Speaker 2: How you even how a child approaches or sees someone
Speaker 2: and you know, inevitably in their life who they mean.
Speaker 3: Or understands their brother or their sister or or whoever
Speaker 3: you know. So, can you tell us about Charlie's best
Speaker 3: work yet?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? And amen, I receive that, and Jesus name me tried. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Charlie's best work yet is my newest book, loosely
Speaker 1: about a fifth grader finding empowerment in themselves. She is
Speaker 1: not trans or non binary necessarily, but you can tell
Speaker 1: from the dialogue she's androgynous. And she's kind of like
Speaker 1: a nigga bitch, like a town boy trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out. And I want I want to make sure
Speaker 1: the language was just that for everybody's experience to be included.
Speaker 1: You know, she's an artist, she's a painter. She's raised
Speaker 1: by her grandma, which I thought was important. Especially living
Speaker 1: out in California, I've noticed that grandma dynamic and grandparent
Speaker 1: dynamic is really prevalent out here. Her grandma empowers her
Speaker 1: to be herself, to be a painter. Every name in
Speaker 1: the book has a fluid name. Every person in the
Speaker 1: book is of color, except the Bully, which is Anglo.
Speaker 1: Of course name Angler. No, no, I'm the Bully's name
Speaker 1: is Ronnie, but he's an Anglo. Okay. I literally thought
Speaker 1: you named the bully Angle should have ship. That would
Speaker 1: have been I should have consulted with you guys. Listen.
Speaker 1: I think is a great name, yes, but doubt just
Speaker 1: following her path, her journey, you know, so to speak.
Speaker 1: And her best friend, her newfound best friend, which also
Speaker 1: a nigga bitch who also is really just me, Devin
Speaker 1: is me. That's my Starbucks name too. So Devin gives
Speaker 1: her empowerment and shows her Grace Jones and she's like,
Speaker 1: who the fuck is this Grace Jones? And it's like
Speaker 1: showing how great shows is the ship and like doesn't
Speaker 1: fit any construct and is amazing, and she's like inspired
Speaker 1: and now she's inspired to create this great, you know, masterpiece.
Speaker 1: And then I don't want to spoil the end, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really cool. Wow, that's amazing. Where can our listeners
Speaker 1: find this amazing book. You can find it Barnes and
Speaker 1: Noble dot com, Amazon dot com, Target dot com. When
Speaker 1: does it come out? That's out? Raw is Love dot
Speaker 1: com that's my website YA dot com. You can.
Speaker 2: That's so cool, it's so amazing, And we're going to
Speaker 2: put the details in the description of the episode so
Speaker 2: you can find the link there easily and gets your
Speaker 2: copy soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh yeah, so the book really transcribes for
Speaker 1: all ages. It'd be a perfect book for you to
Speaker 1: read to your daughters, for them to read to you,
Speaker 1: or even as an adult. The vocabulary is pretty extensive,
Speaker 1: but I did put a word bank in the back
Speaker 1: of the book to please give you because I mean,
Speaker 1: most kids probably never seen the word androgynists before, you know,
Speaker 1: But then just kind of like correct introducing the language
Speaker 1: as regular language as it should be, because this is
Speaker 1: happening every single day.
Speaker 2: And we see how limiting when our language is limited,
Speaker 2: how much how limited.
Speaker 3: The conversation is because you almost find your don't know,
Speaker 3: you don't even want to have it, because you just
Speaker 3: are like, I don't even know how to have the conversation.
Speaker 3: Let let me just not have it, and so then
Speaker 3: it just eliminates the opportunity to learn and to connect.
Speaker 3: And I think it's just so important that we do
Speaker 3: have the language and that you know, we try our
Speaker 3: best to especially we have six year olds, like our
Speaker 3: daughters are six, and it's such a tender age because
Speaker 3: they're so open right now, they really still they don't
Speaker 3: really have a lot of preconceived notions about people. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think obviously they do in some capacity understand gender
Speaker 3: or whatever society has, you know, just his schooling has
Speaker 3: taught them. I mean, I've had conversations with Iri where
Speaker 3: at this point she's not she understands, but do just
Speaker 3: remember we went to that we went to like a.
Speaker 1: Farmer's market, and there was a guy and he had
Speaker 1: a dress on. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Then Linda was like why it's yeah, it's like why
Speaker 2: is he wearing a dress? And I was like, why
Speaker 2: are you wearing what you have on? Because he wants
Speaker 2: to and he can do whatever he wants. And she
Speaker 2: was so confused. But it's crazy like even having parents
Speaker 2: like us, you know, like who are Also one time
Speaker 2: she was playing with barbies and I was like walking
Speaker 2: by and she only had to gobot girl Barbie and
Speaker 2: she was like mom. I'm like what She's like, can
Speaker 2: two girls get married? I'm like, yeah, get whatever you want.
Speaker 2: She's like, oh okay, and just kept playing Barbies and
Speaker 2: I think like something else came up more recently, and
Speaker 2: it came up like on TV or something, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I used to have a girlfriend, and she's
Speaker 2: like looked at me, and I'm like, yeah, I did,
Speaker 2: and I just.
Speaker 1: Kept it movement, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But like it's crazy hows as open as transparent as
Speaker 2: we are, and we like take every opportunity to it,
Speaker 2: like show our kids love and acceptance, because that's all
Speaker 2: that matters, is like the media and outside influences, like
Speaker 2: the gent, the binary, like hetero fucking normative shit is
Speaker 2: so deeply inserted into every fucking thing you don't even
Speaker 2: realize it.
Speaker 1: And so you have kids who are like boys over makeup.
Speaker 2: I'm like, who the fuck says so I want pink
Speaker 2: pink pap getting shit from I didn't teach you this shit,
Speaker 2: But it's just like Disney, all these things are so
Speaker 2: deeply ingrained in us, and it's like we have the
Speaker 2: opportunity to change it. And we have the opportunity to change,
Speaker 2: you know, like have that's I always say, like having
Speaker 2: a kids, having the opportunity to have one less asshole
Speaker 2: in the world. And I'm so happy for that, you know,
Speaker 2: opportunity is like one more loving human being that you
Speaker 2: could be.
Speaker 1: Like, everybody could do whatever the fuck.
Speaker 2: They want as long as they're staying in their lane
Speaker 2: and respecting each other.
Speaker 1: Super fucking simple facts. I think the shift of consciousness
Speaker 1: when you have a child, like when when dads have
Speaker 1: like girls, or when moms have boys, or vice version,
Speaker 1: moms have daughters and dads have sons. It's like if
Speaker 1: something doesn't shift in your mind with a bitch ass
Speaker 1: dish that you cannot presume or you know, contribute to anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you cannot, you can't.
Speaker 2: It just might be a sociopath if it doesn't shift,
Speaker 2: which I'll never like, I'll never understand.
Speaker 1: Like a racist mother. I'm like, bitch, if.
Speaker 2: You birth something out of your pussy, out of your body,
Speaker 2: you better love every motherfucking living creature.
Speaker 1: Prejudice. I don't understand discrimination when you have I was
Speaker 1: at my son's school and a little girl was like
Speaker 1: running across like the parking lot, and I jumped out
Speaker 1: my car and like trying to grab a little girls.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what if she were to get what happened to?
Speaker 1: Like us being a community in a try, Like isn't
Speaker 1: that normal, like I'm a mom, I see I say,
Speaker 1: any living thing, right, and but like the way she
Speaker 1: looked at me, probably like a little nigga bitch, But
Speaker 1: it's still my kid or run the over.
Speaker 3: She can't, you know, she can't have babies steal mine.
Speaker 1: So I take my kid to school. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you guys checking in? I was like, bitch, I'm
Speaker 1: an adult. Damon, Like god, damn, are you guys checking in?
Speaker 1: But no, it's you're right. Though we have kids, things
Speaker 1: should change shift and if.
Speaker 2: They don't, you have to take a real deep, fucking
Speaker 2: crazy look at yourself, because bitch, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: You're crazy. Well, one thing doesn't change.
Speaker 3: And that thing is being a no matter who you fuck,
Speaker 3: and you know it is still swetever June.
Speaker 1: So this again, slutever, whatever, whatever, whatever you want to do,
Speaker 1: just like coming is just like an intersection with lgbt
Speaker 1: Q I a month or it just happened to be
Speaker 1: ironic that it was just the same around the same time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's ironic.
Speaker 3: Actually we just you know, our last month we were
Speaker 3: it was masturbation. May we focus on masturbation?
Speaker 1: I read I heard that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we were doing like the dig talks thing,
Speaker 3: or you know, abstaining from you know, penetrative sex and
Speaker 3: then or sex in general and then.
Speaker 1: Or sex, okay, penetrative what about the penetrative.
Speaker 2: Sex and that's not really gender fluid or that's very
Speaker 2: I don't think you're supposed to say that. What will
Speaker 2: teach me, Well, I'm saying for you is you abstained
Speaker 2: for penetrative sex.
Speaker 1: But for someone who's pissy bumping, they're not. Well, there
Speaker 1: was a lesbian in oh yeah, yeah, she love penetrative
Speaker 1: sex in the household. Yeah, like they still get penetrated
Speaker 1: at all. I think it's a construct. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of like you said earlier about a lot of
Speaker 1: masculine and theified women that are out here, you know,
Speaker 1: sucking on and doing the whole hetero thing. A lot
Speaker 1: of masculine identified women. Also a lot of women parents
Speaker 1: like like penetration, Like a lot of them don't, but
Speaker 1: they won't even admit it, but they like it, whatever
Speaker 1: sex or all the sexes.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's why this month we are like whatever
Speaker 2: whatever ever.
Speaker 3: Out of it, and now we're sledding whatever that means.
Speaker 1: What does that mean for you?
Speaker 2: It's a slug We're just gonna be intentional about where
Speaker 2: we put our pussies. You know, if I put my
Speaker 2: pussy on you, hopefully it's enjoyable. I'ven't done it intentionally.
Speaker 2: And if it's you and you and you and you,
Speaker 2: lucky you and you and you, and if it's just me,
Speaker 2: lucky me, and it's whatever the fuck I want to do,
Speaker 2: and no one can tell me about it, you know.
Speaker 1: It's whatever, whatever, whatever, that's valid. You're valid as fun.
Speaker 3: But you know, we have a show. We have a segment. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we have a segment on our show called Horries where
Speaker 3: we ask our guests to share a hotel. And I
Speaker 3: was wondering if you would so graciously share one with us.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have so many hoe stories in
Speaker 1: my fucking bag of tricks. I was such a whore
Speaker 1: in Detroit, Michigan. Anybody that knows me knows I was
Speaker 1: a fucking whore. Yeah. It was a little cute, little
Speaker 1: nigga bitch on the scene, a little braids and shit,
Speaker 1: little beads on them. Double lineup. Shit, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the double line lineup. I'm surprised you got edges. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's a miracle and let that shit go.
Speaker 1: Have a running on joke with Ashley real quick. I
Speaker 1: was like, stop beating these bitch with lineups. It was
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I'm not dating bitch with lineups or
Speaker 1: to wear boxers. No more, Red Box, don't.
Speaker 2: Don't come for Ashley. You know she got a boot.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that boot got a lineup.
Speaker 1: No, No, they don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, good they don't. Because I would just let me
Speaker 2: stop right what I called Ashley the morning for your number.
Speaker 2: She was in the bed with her nigga bitch and
Speaker 2: because she's inappropriate with me all the time, I was like,
Speaker 2: let me meet your friend, and I showed her my titties.
Speaker 2: I was like, hi, Tity Tuesday, I'm Jamila.
Speaker 1: She was like oh okay, and like, anyway, let me
Speaker 1: speak to Ashley. This sounds so accurate, like accurate. I'm like,
Speaker 1: do you want to FaceTime me? Later's like no, we're
Speaker 1: just fucking okay.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I love how open she is. Whole story who stories.
Speaker 1: I was sixteen years old and I Joe from grandap Is, Michigan,
Speaker 1: Detroit in the rain for this fucking turn up party
Speaker 1: that I was supposed to be popping and I get
Speaker 1: down in there and I mind you we have we
Speaker 1: don't have phones then, so I had yea Google map.
Speaker 3: Print it, write it down, miss write some ship, last
Speaker 3: turn right.
Speaker 1: On the lodge. I ended up there at the party
Speaker 1: somehow with the map quest at night and it was
Speaker 1: this this female that I liked that I want to
Speaker 1: fuck right, I was gonna smash. She had a whole girlfriend,
Speaker 1: a whole big nigga bitch. Now when you a little
Speaker 1: nigga bitch, and it was like a big nigga bitch,
Speaker 1: like everything just kind of shrinks up because you just
Speaker 1: like can't really compete this nigga tall, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So like I'm cute, but it's like a
Speaker 1: like play basketball like overseas. So she still wanted to
Speaker 1: smash too, So she was like we're gonna go and
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave real quick, and I'm like okay, So
Speaker 1: I get in her car. She took me to like
Speaker 1: an abandoned house like on the lodge. My nigga like
Speaker 1: like her dad does real estate and was like trying
Speaker 1: to like sell them or some ship and had no lights.
Speaker 1: The bed was had like that fucking crinkly ship over
Speaker 1: like golden people's beds and ship fucked. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, like also, I didn't even like
Speaker 1: realize what her body or anything about her look like
Speaker 1: was all offline. So I was excited. I thought she
Speaker 1: was really cute, you know, but like she yeah, her
Speaker 1: body was like she can't fish you. She can't fished you.
Speaker 1: She catfished you kind of. I mean her face was cute,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, being with a lesbian is really intimate.
Speaker 1: It's not like a guy you could just like smash
Speaker 1: and keep it a guy keep pants on and just
Speaker 1: keep it going. Whatever. You got a big dick, good stroke,
Speaker 1: it's cool. Like girls were like loving and like you know,
Speaker 1: touching on everything intimate, and I was touching on her,
Speaker 1: and she had a lot of stuff going on. She
Speaker 1: she her body was just really bad. It was just
Speaker 1: really really bad. It was very unfortunate. It felt like
Speaker 1: like a really large like and I hate this because
Speaker 1: it's fucked up, but it was like an inflated like
Speaker 1: trash bagh. There were so many like folds and flaps,
Speaker 1: and she only had like one kid, so there was
Speaker 1: not a really a reason you couldn't see you just
Speaker 1: feel your way through it. And it was like fold
Speaker 1: after fold after fold after fold, and it with just
Speaker 1: like a lot of skin and like a lot of like, damn, bit,
Speaker 1: you're fat, low key like you low keya like seventy
Speaker 1: pounds of skin right here? No you U just no
Speaker 1: fucking none of the good. Can't fat? Shame wish she
Speaker 1: was fat and I didn't know. Okay, so she just
Speaker 1: trot off guard. She tricked you, she tricked me.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is a horror story because not only
Speaker 3: did she trick you, but she fucked you in an
Speaker 3: abandoned house on plast and there left.
Speaker 1: Me and went back to her basketball playing nigga bitch
Speaker 1: and I drove two and a half hours for this
Speaker 1: terrible experience. Did you go back to the party or
Speaker 1: you just went home after that? I don't remember. Oh damn.
Speaker 3: Also might have drugged you, right, And I.
Speaker 1: Ended up on the fucking in the hood of in Detroit.
Speaker 1: But that was very careless of me.
Speaker 3: Welcome to teenage years of sex. We were just having
Speaker 3: this conversation how teenagers just have sex and weird places,
Speaker 3: like you know, publicly in bolic bathrooms and public bathroom
Speaker 3: is a monkst Like yeah, like group with all your
Speaker 3: friends in one room.
Speaker 1: But like but it's because it's not because it's an orgy,
Speaker 1: it's because you don't have anywhere to go.
Speaker 3: Like we're all going to do in one room because
Speaker 3: this is the only room we know no one's gonna
Speaker 3: come into.
Speaker 1: Oh I think I have our adults making fuck freely. Amen. Whatever,
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