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Speaker 1: I want, I'll welcome in. I'm Doug Aliman. This is

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Speaker 1: all the all ball band we have. Um. We we

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Speaker 1: had a great, odd series. We have unbelievable pods lined

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Speaker 1: up that you're gonna love. Make sure you tell all

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Speaker 1: Former Grizzlies and Nick's head coach, his journey, what went

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Speaker 1: what happened with Eric Musselman when he got back into

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Speaker 1: the NBA with the Golden State where there's so much stuff, there,

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Speaker 1: so much stuff. You're gonna love this pod. You know,

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Speaker 1: I haven't done a pod since the National Championship Game.

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Speaker 1: You're like, Wow, that's kind of weird. Now. We we

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Speaker 1: just we had some in the can, and I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't love considering the timing and it has nothing

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Speaker 1: to it Tommy, Like I love to like Tommy. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't like Tommy's good guy. And I'm all four assistant

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Speaker 1: coaches getting opportunities instead of the classic retread. But that's

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Speaker 1: not a retread job. I felt like Damon stodomy Er

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Speaker 1: Miles Simon had equal or better experience, and they're part

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Speaker 1: of the basketball family, and that's supposed to be quote

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Speaker 1: a player's program. That's they call themselves players program. And

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Speaker 1: then you just shunned the players in that program because

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Speaker 1: a booster wanted Tommy Lloyd that that feels like a

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Speaker 1: hard set up for Tommy and a bad deal for

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Speaker 1: Damon and for Miles. That said, we haven't talked to

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Speaker 1: in the National championship game. Everyone knows my infatuation with

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Speaker 1: this Golenzaga team, and I gotta tell you I missed it.

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Speaker 1: And my coaching buddies, especially in the Big Twelve, had

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Speaker 1: it right and I had it wrong. They all said, like, look,

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Speaker 1: Baylor is as good or better at most positions. They're

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Speaker 1: crazy athletic, and while they might not be Gonzaga offensively

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Speaker 1: at times, there's so much better defensively. And we're dropping

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Speaker 1: this pod the day after chet Homegren, the number one

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Speaker 1: prospect in America, commits to play for the Zags probably

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Speaker 1: have drew Timmy back. We'll see what else they have

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Speaker 1: around them, and and look chat Homegren can defend the

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Speaker 1: That's reasonable twenty pounds in a year, considering he turns

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Speaker 1: nineteen years old here May first. So with that mind,

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Speaker 1: they'll be right there to be a favorite to to

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Speaker 1: get there and when the difference is This is the

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Speaker 1: big thing with Gonzaga and how I missed and what

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Speaker 1: I said about them forever up until this year. This year,

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Speaker 1: I was so taken by how they played, how connected

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Speaker 1: and with Jalen Suggs, that I missed it. Gonzaga has

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Speaker 1: never been to a place where they can change how

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Speaker 1: you play based upon their defense. They can't take you

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Speaker 1: out of what you want to do. Baylor could, Villanova

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Speaker 1: Roy Williams kind of similar to to Gonzaga, that's always

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Speaker 1: but they have found a way with traps and they

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Speaker 1: overdrafted because of it. I just look at it, and

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Speaker 1: where I missed was Gonzaga couldn't take you out of

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Speaker 1: Do I think that the U c l A game

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Speaker 1: they all had to guard at the other end. Baylor

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Speaker 1: We grew up, um, and we're not We weren't close friends.

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Speaker 1: my sit down with former Nicks and Grizzlies head coach

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Speaker 1: the show Snowfall is a great example of what l

427
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Speaker 1: A was like. Uh, you know, in that time. And

428
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: so for her to I don't know, navigate that working

429
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Speaker 1: two jobs, raising three kids, you know, and somehow us

430
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Speaker 1: staying safe and becoming in that environment, Uh, you know,

431
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Speaker 1: there's no way she's not a special person because of

432
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Speaker 1: how she did it. How did you how did you

433
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Speaker 1: come to us usd fit it? Just it felt right. Um.

434
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Speaker 1: My grandfather was a big part of my life, my

435
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Speaker 1: mom's dad, and we did all of my home visits

436
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: at uh at his house and obviously they recruited me

437
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: on the phone, and Great Randy Bennett and I, I

438
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: mean it was like immediate. Randy Bennett and I were

439
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: like connected. He's were so different in this that, but

440
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Speaker 1: just in talking to him and the way he would

441
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Speaker 1: allow you to be yourself and his presence and still

442
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Speaker 1: help you. And he was amazing that way. So we

443
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: connected and then Coach Egan and I really hit it off.

444
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: But then Coach Egan hit it off from my grandfather

445
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: and I mean some great coaches came to the house.

446
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: Carol Williams did Davy came to the house, you know, John,

447
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: all of them and people like that came to out.

448
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: You know, you was recruited by a lot of these

449
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: people and higher, but you're talking about high level coaches,

450
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: great people. This was when coaches like really had the

451
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: reputation of of who you know, they had solidified themselves

452
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys and so it was cool

453
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Speaker 1: for that for me to go through that process and

454
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Speaker 1: have my grandfather and my mother they're with me to

455
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Speaker 1: to figure it out. But it was easy, man. I

456
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Speaker 1: knew going to the visit I started on. My first

457
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Speaker 1: visit was us D. I didn't take another visit, I

458
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Speaker 1: know visit. So so you're in in the w c

459
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Speaker 1: C at that time. Okay, what people people need to

460
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Speaker 1: remember is, Okay, this is fresh off l m U

461
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Speaker 1: right and and there, and then going to going to

462
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Speaker 1: lead eight and playing a different style. Right, Pepperdine has dudes, right, Pepperdine.

463
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Speaker 1: Pepperdine has dudes. Doug Christie, Danda Jones who knocked us

464
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Speaker 1: out of the city championship at North Hollywood, who was

465
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: a hell of a player. They got that Lopez on

466
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Speaker 1: My god, I still have bad dreams about him. Gonzaga

467
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: wasn't even a player that they weren't really right. That

468
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Speaker 1: was it was good right, Santa Clara got That was

469
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: when they first got Nash and they been together. And

470
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: then what was the was the other guards who played

471
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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. They had uh At Don Woolerie from

472
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Speaker 1: l A who played at the b NBA Spurst with

473
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Speaker 1: me and since back court made his first two years

474
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Speaker 1: long defensive guard lefty, and then Marlon Garnett, who eventually

475
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Speaker 1: was the player of the Year in the w C

476
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Speaker 1: played in the back court with him after John graduated,

477
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Speaker 1: who went to Hamilton's High who now coaches for the

478
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Hawks, uh since behind a bench, and then obviously

479
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Speaker 1: you know who else played there. Lloyd Pierce was that

480
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: Santa Clara who was I remember the first time he

481
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: called a lie behind me, over me, whatever you wanna

482
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Speaker 1: call it, like somebody put a rocket up his ass.

483
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: Good grief. But yeah, they were loaded. They were good, yes,

484
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: and Dick Davey was the coach, so they were they

485
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: were phenomenal, right, And but like St. Mary's wasn't. It's

486
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: so weird, like how that whole thing has changed. St

487
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: Mary's wasn't good, but it came towards the end of

488
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: my time. St. Mary's became good because that's when they

489
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Speaker 1: got the big yes, sue sue people. The point guard

490
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: on that team end up wanted a tournament. Yes, crazy

491
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: ended up getting good. What was so you get there

492
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: and people forgett like back then, that was before the

493
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: slim gym you guys had that. You guys played in

494
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Speaker 1: a bad high school gym had a stage on one side,

495
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Speaker 1: a stage on one side, stands at your Division one

496
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: program in San Diego, stage on one side. And so

497
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Speaker 1: your first year you show up playing for Hank Egan,

498
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 1: what was like brutal, brutal, would not let me sniff

499
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Speaker 1: the court. I was too flashy, two pig headed his eyes.

500
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: This is how And he was probably right. And my

501
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: argument to him was every time I would win a drill,

502
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: or he would have to kick me out of practice

503
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: because I was telling somebody, I'm kicking your ass, was uh.

504
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: My argument him was you knew this about me already,

505
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: so you brought me here to and that was my attitude,

506
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: you know. And what I didn't realize what he was

507
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: trying to do was he was trying to take me

508
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: somewhere else. He was trying to chip away at things

509
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: that was probably gonna end up hurting me later and

510
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: and try to get me to think outside of that. Now,

511
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't always the most tactful way to do it,

512
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: because I really, you know, just to be really honest

513
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: about it, I just didn't deal with a white man

514
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: yelling at me. Well, good question, because one, I'm half white,

515
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: and my father left when I was a kid, and

516
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: all I was raised around was black men, and I

517
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: had this bravado and this ego about it that was,

518
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: you don't get to talk to me like that, or

519
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: you don't get to tell me what to do. Now,

520
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I have the same thing happened with my school culture

521
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: or a black coach. They can call me a piece

522
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: of crap and I would just take it. But for

523
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: whatever reason, that racial issue stood there with me and Hank.

524
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: Early on, I couldn't take it. And eventually, when I

525
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Speaker 1: think when they finally when the suffering got so much,

526
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: and I said, Uh, all right, this is how it's

527
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: gonna be. And I tried to go home and tell

528
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Speaker 1: my mom I wanted to transfer to UC Irvine with

529
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: Todd uh and Rod Baker and all of those guys.

530
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: My mom and me, like I had crap on my face,

531
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: and she was like, are you crazy. She's like, you

532
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna let you quit? She was like, you

533
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: committed to those people. They didn't say it was gonna

534
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: be easy. You're staying. And I stuck it out. I

535
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 1: went back the next year. My sophomore year started off

536
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: a little bumpy and lo and Behold by five or

537
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: six games into the season, I started and I never looked.

538
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Never was your first start against you? Remember? I don't

539
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: I think it was in I know what, I know

540
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: what triggered it. I just don't know the team that

541
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: it was, but I know it happened. We went to

542
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: New York for the Seaton Hall Tournament and it was

543
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: US Seaton Hall Stanford in Manhattan, and Uh I played

544
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: my tail off coming off the bench, and it just

545
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: got to a point where even the players was telling

546
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: coach so like, look, man, we gotta start this dude,

547
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: and we we want them, we want to follow him,

548
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: you know. And so that ended up being the thing

549
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: that that changed it. And you know, it was cool though,

550
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: because now I look back on that team and I

551
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: had a bunch of NBA guys playing right there next

552
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: to me. They didn't playing the league, but they ended

553
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: up coaching and GM and and you know all of

554
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So you know, it was fun

555
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: being a part of that leading with him. And then

556
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: Hank left me. Hank goes to the Spurs and he

557
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: turned into Pops top assistant and uh. And then I

558
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: had to start over with Brad Holland, which was okay, okay,

559
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: do you want to do you want to know the

560
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: game was? Which one? Was it? Okay? So you didn't

561
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: start the first ten games the games? There you go,

562
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: It started first ten games the year. So let me

563
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: County one to three, four or five, eight nine? Yea, Manhattan?

564
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: You beat Manhattan by by three and that was big, kay.

565
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: And then I think it was Drake at home, Yeah,

566
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: lost you lost a Weaver State. Oh yeah, lay Drake,

567
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: and that was your first start there. It is okay,

568
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: so so okay, let me test your memory on this.

569
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: Do you remember losing the Pepper nine in the tournament

570
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: championship to go to the n c A Tournament your

571
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: junior year, your sophomore yere, I bossed the shot, not

572
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: ready to take the big shot. I stlew up a brick.

573
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: We we we pushed it. It was it was a

574
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: three point game with the ball. They were up three,

575
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: we had the ball. I was running a high picking

576
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: roll with Brooks Barnhardt are picking pop big. He slipped

577
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: out and everybody went with him. And never in the

578
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: whole time of the time, out of my time, I

579
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: don't did I ever put it in my mind I

580
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: might have to take this shot. I had my mind

581
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 1: made up. I was getting off of it, and I

582
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: shot it and there was a brick and the game

583
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: was over. And it sticks with me to this day

584
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: about being present that It's always been a lesson I've

585
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: kept with me about you know, look at the moment,

586
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: from here, not from not from here, and uh, but yeah,

587
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: it was that that one stuck with me, uh for

588
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: a long time because too. You know what else was

589
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I always kind of my gut was Steve Nash and

590
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: what he did the year before Santa Clair. You know,

591
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: Steve took Santa Clair. He was a big part of

592
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: them going to the tournament and beating ariz Owner the

593
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: year brothers, and so I'm like, damn, I ain't barely

594
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: played my freshman year. Here is this guy I passed

595
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: on Santa Clair. This guy comes in, he does all

596
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: of this great stuff. He's like this big time player.

597
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta match this guy. I gotta get

598
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: there ensuring if I'm at the window of it and

599
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: it don't happen. And it was just like, oh my god.

600
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: I kept replaying. I can't tell you how many times

601
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: I watched that play. I dreamed that play over and

602
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: over again. So Brad comes in, Yeah, completely different dude

603
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: than get Oh, totally different, but because the same uh

604
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: basketball morals. I would say, the same basketball explain Well,

605
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: it just felt like, you don't cheat the game. You

606
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: don't cheat the game, you don't teach cheat your teammates,

607
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: you don't cheat the work. You you you it's bigger

608
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: than you. It was always that attitude. Uh, it's bigger

609
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: than you. Okay, but but but if you think about now, okay, so,

610
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: so look you had what you classical dad issues and

611
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: being yelled at by an older white dude. Now Brad,

612
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: it's much younger, like good looking guy, U c l

613
00:33:53,800 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: A confident, very confident. Right, So but it's your team, Like,

614
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: hey man, I just I'm I'm point guard your team.

615
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: What was that? What was that like? Right? So, nowadays

616
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: you would have left, you would I'm gonna go I'm

617
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: gonna go to s C. I'm gonna go. Do you

618
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: sell it? I'm a starting point guard. I'm gonna go

619
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: somewhere bigger, or I'm gonna go somewhere you know, I'm

620
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: a following assistant. See if Randy goes to Pepperdine, I'm

621
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: gonna go there or whatever. Okay, So but but back then,

622
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: so you guys butt heads? What what was what? What

623
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: was it like? It was? It was? I think it

624
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: was it was So if you go back to what

625
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: we talked about before, I had now felt an attachment

626
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: to go to again, Yes, because we went through that circle,

627
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: right and now I finally got to this place with

628
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: this guy where the mutual respect was there, the ground

629
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: was lafe for our relationship to really bloom and to

630
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: take off. The walls were down. Um, the understanding was there,

631
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: and now I had to go through that whole process again,

632
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: but with a more mm hmm, and had done more

633
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: and had much eat you know. On the NBA title.

634
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: Brad Holland was a big part of the Lakers winning

635
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: a title. Like he had big games in the finals

636
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: and so this, you know, and and he had his

637
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: way and he had you know, and so it was

638
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: like I never took a step back out of it

639
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: to empathize with his situation. He kept the whole staff,

640
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, not I'm older and understand what that means.

641
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: To keep the whole staff. He kept, Brandy kept Kyle Smith,

642
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: who was an awesome coach that we know up in

643
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: Washington State. Uh, you know, Mike Hopp who was a

644
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: big time high school coach at Saint Augustine and San Diego. Now,

645
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: all of those guys stayed on the staff. Brad didn't

646
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: bring his own guys. He didn't get into any of

647
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: that stuff. So he does He just basically pull threw

648
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: himself into an environment where it was already set up.

649
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: And I never gave him the benefit of the doubt

650
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: early on to you know, for or empathize with his

651
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: situation at all. All I can think about was me

652
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: in that situation and how this was gonna affect me.

653
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: And so it was it was early on. It was

654
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: it was a who who's right? Right, I'm trying to

655
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: show him I'm right, he's right, He's trying to put

656
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: his stamp on the program, so we will argue. It

657
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: got and it came to a head and uh, I

658
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: never forget it was at Denzada and right or wrong,

659
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: it don't matter. But we ended up running a play

660
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: out of Bounced, play baseline out of Bounce to tie

661
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: the game late to beat them, and they were really good, uh,

662
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean since stational and they and the play went

663
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: wrong and he went off on me about it, and

664
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: it was just I was I was pissed about the play.

665
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's pissed about play and it's just the timing of

666
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: it all. It just ended up and he grabbed my arm,

667
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: not and like I'm gonna hurt you, but just grabbed

668
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: me like and we just we was here. It just

669
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: reminded me so much, and that's why I thought I

670
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: was easy for me to help the way through that

671
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: time when him and spoke by the heads in the playoffs,

672
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: because I just remember that thing that just that straw

673
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back in that moment, and uh,

674
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,479
Speaker 1: I mean we was basically squared up in the locker

675
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: room out of the game. Randy Bennett had to pull

676
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: us apart, and uh, when it was over, we sat

677
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: down like normal human beings and we started talking through it.

678
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: And from that day on, Uh, it was just immediate love,

679
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: like immediate, like it was like we had to go

680
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: all the way to this boiling point to get to

681
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: a place where we started to understand each other and

682
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: love it. It's probably it's probably you know, you both

683
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: are like that. You're you're kind of wired the same way,

684
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: like just like but you need you needed somebody to

685
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: stand up to you, and he needed you to stand

686
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: up to him in order to respect right. Nobody wants

687
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: nobody wants to push up. And you gotta think about

688
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: like part of me being that, Okay, here's this guy

689
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: now who established himself as the team leader, the point guard,

690
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: all of that, and now as new guy's coming in,

691
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: it's like I gotta without knowing that he had to

692
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: go through this gauntlet of earning all of our respect,

693
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: right the staff, the players, And so he came in

694
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: like chest out, I'm Brad holland I'm this guy. You

695
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: should respect me because I just wanted Fullerton and you know,

696
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: I played in the league and U C l A.

697
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: And he had all of that and that's what he's right,

698
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: He had a freaking resume, you know, And so here

699
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I am trying to be the that guy that stands

700
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: up for the team almost and so like, and it

701
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: was just all the wrong way of going about it.

702
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: But you learned, you know, you learned to learn and

703
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: then it just ended up. You just don't know how

704
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: it goes in your life. The same I who I

705
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: was face to face within the locker room knows the nose,

706
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: hired me back from the Miami Heat when I was

707
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: an intern with Spoke, brought me back to us D

708
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: to be a coach on his staff and jump started

709
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: my coaching career. And so you just don't know in

710
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: these moments, Uh, who's gonna do what later on in

711
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: your life. But if you can eventually just kind of

712
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: see it for what it is and really realize, you know,

713
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: love of people for who they are and just end

714
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: up building good relationships. Stuff happens along the way that

715
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: you know you end up in a great place. Okay,

716
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: So you lose your last game to Portland, last game year, yep,

717
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: Dion Holton, he was in. He haunted my dreams, little

718
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: pitball from Long Beach. Uh. I'll never forget it. It

719
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: was brutal. Set in the the locker room for long time.

720
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: Mike Brown sat in the locker room with me for

721
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: a long time. He was there a scouting and this

722
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: is before he took off. He was just in into

723
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: the NBA. He was, you know, an intern with Bernie

724
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: in Denver and had started scouting for Washington. And he

725
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: sat back there with me and we talked and you know,

726
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: basically scooped me up off the ground because you know,

727
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: you went through it that last game and you don't know,

728
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: especially if you don't know if you're gonna get to

729
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: that next place. You know, Like for me, it was

730
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: even if you do, even if you do, even if

731
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: you do, even if you do right, it's just there's

732
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: this there's this speech that Bouschan Beckler gave one time

733
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: before the Ohig State game to Michigan, and he he

734
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: said all about the team. He said, so you'll never

735
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: be a part of another team. And well, I want

736
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: to get to this in a second with you, with

737
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: with the championship teams you're part of. But he said,

738
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, when you go professional, you're playing for your family,

739
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: you're playing for a contract, you're playing for yourself. This

740
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: is your last chance to be a part of a team.

741
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: And and I'm sure there were some there was some family.

742
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: And how Lebron did it made it as close to

743
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: the collegiate feel as you could. But you're still going

744
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: home to your wife and your kids, and it's still

745
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: not not the same. Whereas these people you lived around,

746
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: you grew up around, you earned their respect, they earned

747
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: your respect, you know, they were that was That's your family,

748
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: and that's why they hired you back, right because your family.

749
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: I just remember sitting in the locker room in Syracuse,

750
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: New York. We lost in lead eight, and I was

751
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: looking at Joe Atkins is from Oklahoma City, and you know,

752
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: and and Joe and I you know, he hated me

753
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: when I first got there because he thought like I was.

754
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: I came into play point and he was he was

755
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: a point guard and we played together three years. We

756
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: had a we had a we had an absolute like

757
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean I threw him into the chair. We had

758
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: like an absolute fight, like the first week of practice.

759
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: Like after that we were boys, your boys, and you know,

760
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: like if he was in trouble right now, I would

761
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: get on a plane and fly where every was to

762
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: help him out. Right. But I just remember looking around

763
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: the locker room like, man, I love these dudes. I

764
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: do not want to leave this place. It's just such

765
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: a devastating feeling. It was. Yeah, so you're what what next? What? What?

766
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: What happened next? So I still had two classes left

767
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: and the school was one I want me off the hook,

768
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: and so, uh, they said, we're gonna pay for it.

769
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: You stay on and coach with the staff. Uh, you know,

770
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: Coach Holand is gonna let you do volunteer work. So

771
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: I ended up working with the coaching staff that that

772
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: for a semester. Uh. And all of that time, I'm

773
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: practicing with the team as a coach because I'm trying

774
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: to get in shape to go play. I'm thinking I

775
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: want to still play. You know. It was just all

776
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: conference and I was top ten and assists in the country,

777
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, okay, um, I think I got a

778
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: chance to at least make some money at it. I

779
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to go into anything else, and uh ultimately

780
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: had to stop coaching with the team because I wasn't

781
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: in class anymore. I got my degree, and now the

782
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: second semester of the year, I'm literally working and this

783
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: is this is I still look back on. This is

784
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: probably one of the most fondest points of my life.

785
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: Is I'm living in a shack across the street from

786
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: the college in this area called the dog Patch. It's

787
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: like this little one and a half, one bath nothing.

788
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean, men that my boy time was paying like

789
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: five hundred a month total to live in this place.

790
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: It was this guy that just was a student at

791
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: U s D. He was just as cool cat and

792
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: I became friends with like jazz, you know, white cat,

793
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: cool as hell. So but he was responsible. I knew

794
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: he was gonna have a two fifty every month. You know.

795
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm living in this place. I'm working at the airport

796
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: for ups loading and unloading ups cargo packages out of

797
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: the planes. So I would get there for a third

798
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: I would ride my bike to the airport. I didn't

799
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: have a car. I got a degree. I don't have

800
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: a car. I ride my bike to the airport four

801
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning for conditioning, which was like an

802
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: hour ride. I get there, they always threw me in

803
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: the plane because I was the biggest dude there. I

804
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: would have to it will be eighteen or sold cargo holders,

805
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: which is like the exact same shape of the inside

806
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: of the plane, but it holds eight hundred pounds of packages.

807
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: And I would pull them off, slide them onto this thing,

808
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: they take them on, put them on the trucks, send

809
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: them on their way. Go home. After three or four

810
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: hours of that, making a little over minimum wage, eat,

811
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: take a nap, wake up, go to the school, lift UH,

812
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: work on my game play pick up, go back to

813
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: the airport for the evening and take the pack and

814
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: just off the truck, put him onto the plane for

815
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: to go out that evening. And that was my job.

816
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: And I did that for about six months, and I

817
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: got a deal to go to UH to play in Paris,

818
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: or in France and France Division two. And right when

819
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm about to leave, two of my boys came home

820
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: from got sent home from France. These dudes could flat

821
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 1: out score the ball. I mean I I couldn't score

822
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: Like that just was not my foe tag. You couldn't score. Score.

823
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: We could pass the hell out of it, we could guard,

824
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: we could run. The team couldn't score. So I'm like,

825
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, am I really about to go over here?

826
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: For like two weeks? Three weeks they realized I can't score.

827
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: Then I'm coming right back home and out of know where,

828
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: my phone rings. Mike Brown calls me. He says, I

829
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: don't know what you got going on. He goes, but

830
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: I got a buddy that's the video coordinator in Miami.

831
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: He just lost his intern. If you want to get

832
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: into coaching and doing kind of how I've gone about it,

833
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: you know, go through the video room and move into

834
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: the NBA coaching. He's like, this would be a great

835
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: opportunity to do it. He said, you can go back

836
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: and play after this if you don't like it. He

837
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: was like, but you might want to take a look

838
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: at this. I said, well, I'll talk to the guy.

839
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: I get on the phone with. What now we know

840
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: is Erik sposed to as a young twenty five year

841
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: old in the video room. He hits me up, we're

842
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: chatting it up, and I sit down and kind of

843
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: go through the take my ego out of it, and

844
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I can't just do this right

845
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: now and put you know, I can come back and

846
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: hoo lo and behold. I go to Miami and the

847
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: rest is history. I ended up bagging hooping and I

848
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: just went on the coaching route. So, okay, so you

849
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: showed Miami supposed in the video room. Okay. Who else

850
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: on the staff? The staff that year was stand Van

851
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: Gundy was the top assistant who I love deeply and dearly.

852
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: Uh Bob McAdoo who was on the staff even with

853
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: me for a long time, who was just like a

854
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: blood brother to me. And Jeff best Delic, who I

855
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: love the death, who's an incredible coach that we know

856
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: people that say in basketball circles know that Jeff best

857
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: Delik is one of the one of the best minds.

858
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: And uh, Tony Fierrantino, who did ended up doing TV

859
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: after that. Ye, and uh that was really it because

860
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: staffs were small. Keith Askins was on the team, Tim

861
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway, Senor, Zoe Dan Marley, P J. Brown, I

862
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: Austin but Leonard Um I'm know I'm forgetting somebody. Mark Strickland, Okay,

863
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: I need, I need, I need a couple of aboundations,

864
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: a couple of stories, Miami stories. Okay, then these are

865
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: these are these are these are ones that okay being broadcast? Right.

866
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: So I'm with the Lakers in summer league, or maybe

867
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: I would, I would go there. I did like three

868
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: different sins and like Vetmini Campos in their summer league

869
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: one year. I'll never forget, never forget that. I was like, yo,

870
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: young Buck, whatever you do, don't go to Miami. I

871
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: was like, what man. He's like, you get the training camp,

872
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: they take care of you, but you can't leave the gym.

873
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: It was like, what are you talking about. He's like,

874
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: pat sets up shot and you can't. You don't leave

875
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: the gym. You go like three a day. He's like,

876
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: best shape my life. Took years off my career, that's

877
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: what he said. Two years off my career because we

878
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: went so hard in that training camp. True or false,

879
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: A lot of truth. I don't agree with Austin that

880
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: it took years off his career. I think he saved

881
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: his career because he weighed about three fifty yes and

882
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: and patting them that's when weight and body fat became

883
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: a real thing, you know, conditioning tests and all of

884
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: that stuff. And so yeah, three a day. It was

885
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: probably something Pat would do every now and then because

886
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: he's crazy like that. But I also think that it's

887
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: a part of why we we recognize I Couston as

888
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: the player that he was too, is because Pat got

889
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: all that weight off of him and got him to

890
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: uh pete conditioning level where he could really show a

891
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: highlight his talent. You know. But yeah, what was not

892
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: messing around? What was that? Okay? Like, okay, by the way,

893
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed in the gym, so okay, So what

894
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: was you remember the first time? Remember you're from l

895
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: a A. Magic was the biggest thing on Earth and

896
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: pat Riley was probably the second biggest thing. It was

897
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: the planets. They were all they were their own planets, right, Okay.

898
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: So like you show up and you're a video dude

899
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: for pat Riley. Now here's the other story. Okay. So

900
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Buzz told me, he's like, you want to know what

901
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: the NBA is. Like I was like, yeah, tell me.

902
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: This is back when he was at Air Force. I think,

903
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: tell me a story. He said he remember being on

904
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: the team plane doing the advanced scout and uh, I

905
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: think Jeff was on the staff, maybe stands on the

906
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: staff whatever, you can't remember who else was. And he said,

907
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: I looked up from watching some video and taking notes

908
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: right and stuff down. I said, who do we play tonight?

909
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: And he's like, they were like, you know, we played Charlotte?

910
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: Did we win? Yeah? Who do we play? The mother

911
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: there like to play the nets? Are they He's like,

912
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: all right, what day is it? He's like he didn't

913
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: know who they played or what day it was. He

914
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: just knew he had the net scout and it better

915
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: be right and that was all that mattered. That was it.

916
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: That was his entire world. It was it was so

917
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: what's it like? He was the best at it, okay,

918
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: but what's it like? Is the video guy? Because you

919
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: can't screw it up because if you screw it up,

920
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: then he screws it up. So let me give you, so,

921
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: let me give you a great screw up, my one

922
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: and only screw up for my This my my idol,

923
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: pat Riley. So here it is this young kid from

924
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: l A, just like you, all of all the championships,

925
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: all the parades, so times, every do you think, do

926
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: you think people have a have a healthier respect for

927
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 1: how big that was? Right? Like because of the Last

928
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: Dance documentary the Jordan's era, we I think people start

929
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: to understand how big it was. I would tell you

930
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: that while Magic now may not be as big as

931
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: Jordan's obviously, but Magic and Bird were the league, and

932
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: pat Riley was the coach of the league like he was,

933
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: he was showtime. It was an electricity. It was it

934
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: was the only place you could watch a game. This

935
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: is how I described the Lakers. The Lakers look like

936
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: they played outside. That's good. One, that's good. I like that.

937
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: Go back and look at the form and how it

938
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: lit up, and the electricity in the building, and the

939
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: beautiful people and all the shiny and the it was

940
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: just like they were hoping at Venice Beach. It was

941
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: like the wind was blowing through the form. And I

942
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: swear it reminded me of It was perfection. It was

943
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: basketball beauty at its finest. And you had this unbelievably

944
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: charismatic winner that held the ball and the guy that

945
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: was leading them, and it was just this perfect. It

946
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: couldn't have came together better, right, It couldn't have asked

947
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: what the perfect formulation of two people with pat and

948
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: magic and their personalities and their pasona and what they

949
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: still for and how they wanted to play, and just

950
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: it was beautiful to grow up in that. And I

951
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: really believe, I deeply believe this. I believe you do

952
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: what you do and I do what I do. And

953
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: all of our crew of that group had a lot

954
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: of it has to do with what we witnessed from U. C.

955
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 1: L A growing up as kids, an understanding about John

956
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: Wooden and and Ultra really would it still for to

957
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: be a winner? And and the Lakers. They put something

958
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: in all of us as hoopers where we didn't just

959
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: settle for being like, no, we gotta win. We had

960
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: to win. It wasn't like just being a good hooper,

961
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: like we was going after each other every time we played.

962
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: It was always about pushing each other. It's always about

963
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: trying to achieve this incredible level. And so you know,

964
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: now here it is. I get moved into Miami. I'm

965
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: an intern, and I'm in the video room and my

966
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: job is to put videotapes and all of these VCRs

967
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: and record the games. All of these copies stands copy

968
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: pats copy Bob mcade, it says it don't. I make

969
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: the labels to put on the VHS and I put

970
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: them in and I hit the remote and boom record

971
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: the game. The live fee games over. I get the guys.

972
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: They take me. It's supposed to. You know, we're in

973
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: a video room grinding. We would never leave before midnight.

974
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: And uh, spose phone rings. This is ah. I think

975
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: Spoke had just gotten his first cell phone. None of

976
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: us had cell phones. And I hear and supposed face

977
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: drops and he turns and he looks at me and

978
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: he goes, Dude, we're in big trouble. And I'm like

979
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: what He's like, that was Pat, And I'm like, what happened?

980
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: He's like, you sent Pat home with a blank tape.

981
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: I can't even tell you how far this all fell

982
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: out of but like it was like everything dropped out

983
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: about butt like and I just was like, oh my god. Like,

984
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 1: first off, Pat did not even talk to me other

985
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: than what's up? Kid? You got that tape? That was

986
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: like the literally the extent of our dialogue that year

987
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: was a couple of those Hey where a spow at? Hey?

988
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: But make sure he gets me these tapes So this

989
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 1: is pat Riley, who I'm still like. He hasn't spoken

990
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: to me in a way that makes me feel at ease.

991
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: I've given him a blank tape. I have to take

992
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: the tape, the new tape, and drive it to his

993
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: house and the gables. And Spoke tells me he put

994
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: in his mailbox. He'll come out, and you know he'll

995
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: come get it right what I'm about to put it

996
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: in the mailbox, the big gate opus and he comes

997
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: walking out. What do you say it takes to take

998
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: from me? Put his hand on my shoulder. He goes, David,

999
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: It's okay. The stakes happen if you ever do it again,

1000
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: pack your ship, turns and walks back into this big

1001
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: old corner lot to stay in the gables. I jumped

1002
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: back and exupposed little red super rout station wagon, and

1003
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: I speed back to the video room and suppose like car,

1004
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: no car, I can't afford a car. I couldn't afford it.

1005
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: The one I had broke down in Cali. I had

1006
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: three regal and it held on until it couldn't And

1007
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: then what was I gonna do? Drive that from Cali

1008
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: to Miami? It was like, what can I do? I

1009
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: got around on the metro. Spoil drove me around, I

1010
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: rolled bikes. I figured it out. I figured it out.

1011
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: Sid a month, I made six hundred bucks a month. Uh.

1012
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: And I lived with a good friend of ours who

1013
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: gave me a room for just the cost of utilities,

1014
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: thank god. And and I had a little bitty room.

1015
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: And I literally just I made it work. I just

1016
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: made it work. And you know what they'll say in

1017
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: my life. The Heat had a card that they got

1018
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: from Hooters that gave you like fifty six off of everything.

1019
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: So I lived at Hooters. Basically none of the girls

1020
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: like me because I was broke and I was always

1021
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: pulling out this half off car. But I got to

1022
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: eat a lot of different stuff on the Hooters menu.

1023
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: So that was like my nutrition for that year. A

1024
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: spoke was right next to me because he was broken.

1025
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: The car he was driving was holding on for for

1026
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: for dear life. How did you get elevated when that happened?

1027
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: Say that again, when did you get elevated? So? Uh,

1028
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: I had a chance to stay with the Heat that year,

1029
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: and uh, I just knew I didn't want to do

1030
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: video no more. I just was like I learned a

1031
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: ton like I couldn't even tell you. It's like going

1032
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: to college. The education I got in one season. Uh.

1033
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: And then the relationship I built with the guy I

1034
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: was sitting next to every day. Uh, it was incredible.

1035
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: But I just knew, like immediately at the end of

1036
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: that year, I was like, God, I want to get

1037
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: it back onto the basketball floor. I want to get

1038
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: back on because it's dead. Was different than like, like

1039
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even go on the floor with stan Van

1040
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: Gundi when he would work out guys to rebound. Spoke

1041
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: was the bounder for hell. They kept it tight and

1042
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: they still keep it tight. They don't let you into

1043
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: just anybody coming the gym, and so I didn't ever

1044
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: got to even you know, exhaust that part of just

1045
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: wanting to be out on the court during that year.

1046
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I gotta get back on

1047
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: the court, and Brad called, uh Randy went to St. Mary's.

1048
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: I want to say, is what happened. I think that

1049
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: year once somebody left the staff, and then the third

1050
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: assist that opened up, and I went back to San

1051
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: Diego and I moved up. Every year we had a

1052
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: good staff, and every year somebody left, I moved up

1053
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: and the last year I was up at the top

1054
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: assistant UH Fresno State call and offered me a job there,

1055
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: and I felt like that was it was the right

1056
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: time to get out of my comfort zone and really

1057
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: recruit a whole different player. Because U s D you

1058
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: was pigeonholed into the kid had to be like a

1059
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: straight a student like you know, S A, T, A

1060
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Speaker 1: C T, top scores, all of this stuff. Where Fresno

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Speaker 1: you just had to have a pulse. So it was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I went, I jumped into a whole different

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Speaker 1: pool of kids j C kids, kids that had hard, hard,

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Speaker 1: you know, upbringing, like you know, kids that I could

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Speaker 1: actually grew up. That was much more who I was

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Speaker 1: on a on a cultural level, on on on how

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Speaker 1: I grew up level, like all of that stuff. So

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Speaker 1: that year was also a really good for me too

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Speaker 1: from a gross standpoint because I worked with uh Ray Lopes,

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Speaker 1: who was killing Samson's protege. But Bob Burton, who I know,

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Speaker 1: you know of it was, you know, great junior college coach,

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Speaker 1: great junior college coach, Kyle State Fullerton, the whole will

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Speaker 1: and then Andy Newman, who ended up being his assistant,

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00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: is a really close friend of mine who's out here

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Speaker 1: in cow Yeah, Pomona Pitzer, he's at one of these

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00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: schools out here. I always there up again, He's gonna

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Speaker 1: kill me. Sam Bernardino, That's where I think he's at

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Speaker 1: UM And they were just such unbelievable coaches and so

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Speaker 1: uh that progression ended up leading me there, and then

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Speaker 1: just out of nowhere, U s d Alum hit me

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Speaker 1: looking for player development guy. Eric Musselman, who we all

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Speaker 1: know very well now after what he just did this year,

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Speaker 1: Uh called me up and said, Fizz, you know, I

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01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: know we don't know each other well, but we were

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Speaker 1: brothers in the loans with TORRERODS, and I want you

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Speaker 1: to come up and interview for my player development job.

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Speaker 1: Think about that for a second. Okay, I think think

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01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: about this for a second. Us D who The only

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Speaker 1: year USD made determined was when my boy Jason Keep

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01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: was there right. Who I am, I'm Keep coming right

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01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: and and I'm and and keep by the way doing tattoos.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where he's doing tattoos Arizona. I think

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01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: I think Phoenix was the last place I saw. The

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01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: craziest ship is this this dude is doing tattoos out

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01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: of the people, and he showed up on campus at

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State with the worst tattoo in the history of tattoos.

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Speaker 1: So here, here's this, here's the story, and I'm he's

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01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: gonna have me on another pot. So, um it is

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Speaker 1: summer is this time of the year. It's like just

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Speaker 1: before May, probably April of maybe maybe first week in May.

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Speaker 1: And there's there's a weekend where we bring in recruits

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Speaker 1: because they have it's the Delta Dunk because a fraternity

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01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: has uh five on five tournament on dunk ball hoops

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01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: and it's fun. Now we don't get to play in it.

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01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: But and then sororities have like a beach volleyball tournament

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Speaker 1: and we played in that. So uh coach comes in

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's one of the assistants came in and

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Speaker 1: they like have like a one sheet on the player

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Speaker 1: who's coming in and hey, man, like you're gonna host

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Speaker 1: him and you guys all take him out. So like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we need we got a big dude coming in this

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Speaker 1: week from college in Northern Idaho. Now, coach had a

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Speaker 1: long time ago been at College of Southern Ido. We're

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Speaker 1: like Northern Ida's polar bear right, Like, now, this dude

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Speaker 1: is he's he's six and eleven, he's two hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty five two seventy pounds. He's Jack. He worked on

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Speaker 1: an oil rig. We're like, all right, I'm I'm kind

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01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: of in here, like I want to see this guy.

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Speaker 1: So this dude comes in shaved head, looks like America

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Speaker 1: History X right, and we're like, hey, we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: play in this volleyball tournament, Like you want to come,

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01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: come on and play, all right? So we started drinking

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Speaker 1: and miss Album Sun his girls. We all take off

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Speaker 1: our shirts. So dude takes off his shirt and he's

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Speaker 1: he's big and pretty Jack. And I was like, yo,

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Speaker 1: what's that on your arm? He's like, it's my signature.

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01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, you're missing a d It's a

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Speaker 1: big daity right d A d Y was the tattoo,

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01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: Like you know what, did you run out of money?

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Speaker 1: Did you? Did you not pay the guy? No? No No, no,

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Speaker 1: I wanted it that way. So I still we will

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Speaker 1: get to the bottom of the story. Because when he

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Speaker 1: got to us d I know, he got it covered

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Speaker 1: up with some other thing that looked terrible, but he

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Speaker 1: had the big daity tattoo, and here's the other connector

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Speaker 1: to it. So, uh, my favorite Jason keep story of

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01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: all time is he was like he came from a

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Speaker 1: tough upbringing obviously, and like immediately we were like family

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01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: to where he would he divulged way too many of

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Speaker 1: his personal secrets and demons to us. But it was

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Speaker 1: cool because you're in a small town like still Water.

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: It's like yes, no question, no question. So he Uh,

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01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: So we're playing Vegas for a second straight year. We

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Speaker 1: play on the road in Vegas and we're trailing at

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Speaker 1: the halftime and I think they still had Casper's camp

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01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: ball or whatever, but they're not very good. This is

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01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: after year after Sean Marian left, and our big guys

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01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: are just playing scared. So I'm walking in the locker

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Speaker 1: room and I told the coach like I got him. Coach.

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Speaker 1: He's like, all right, you got ten minutes. So I

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Speaker 1: go in there. I'm just motherfucking him up and down

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Speaker 1: all our big guys. It is on national TV. Is

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Speaker 1: embarrassing whatever, and I'm I'm yelling at Ryan Mott Noddy

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01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: is our starting for and Fred Sees are starting five

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Speaker 1: and Alex Weber, who's our backup five. And I'm not

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01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: yelling at Jason because Jason didn't play in the first half, right,

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Speaker 1: he just this is like his fifth college game or something, right,

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01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: and he was here, you big guys, you'll meet too

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01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: together and we just everybody just cut up laughing. We're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you didn't even get play. Ever ready's talking about right,

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01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: and uh he was. He was a trip. But that

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Speaker 1: was the only time us D goes to the tournament.

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Speaker 1: And he's the only guy. I think Brad didn't get

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Speaker 1: to graduate. Brad was there forever. Everybody graduated is really impressed,

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01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: except for David. But you think about it, USD that

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Speaker 1: had a high school gym produces you Brownie and muss

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01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: like three NBA head coaches. That's obscene. That's that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy when you think about I'm not done. I'm

1169
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: not done. James Barreko, Yes, is our four we've had now.

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Speaker 1: I don't even wanna keep going. But Chris gra It

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Speaker 1: was a general manager, played with me ust Bernie Bickerstaff.

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Speaker 1: Bernie Bickerstaff played and graduated and coached. He's the pipeline.

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Speaker 1: That's what people don't realize. Bernie is one of the

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Speaker 1: first He played at that's my connection to J. B.

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Speaker 1: Bickerstaff and the family. And Mike Brown's path to the

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Speaker 1: league was through Bernie. So Bernie was the first of

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Speaker 1: us to get in. When Mike graduated, he wanted to

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01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: get he wanted to get in the league. Bernie gave

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01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 1: him an internship in the video role, and then Neil

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01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: Meyer and Chris Grant came after that, and then all

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01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was just a flood of us.

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01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: And must really was separate from Bernie in his path

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01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: because and so you know, but it's just what you're

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01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: saying is incredibly right, because it's a special place because

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01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: you just for at school that didn't produce pro pap

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: basketball players, for a place that didn't embrace basketball on

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01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: the way obviously through the facilities, and and you know,

1188
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: as a this wasn't a big time programmer. For a

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Speaker 1: place to be like that, in this little place and

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01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: down to San Diego to produce that many basketball people,

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01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: it's amazing. We always laugh about it. We try to

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01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: help the next guy up. You know, Steve Kerr's kid

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01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: is one of us there, Nick, and uh, you know,

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01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: we got a bunch. It's a it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: us now who have who have made the jump? Well

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Speaker 1: that was great stuff for for part one. All right,

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Speaker 1: so listen, we'll we'll drop part two tomorrow the following

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Speaker 1: day or whatever I think you'll I think you'll really

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Speaker 1: really enjoy it. Uh. In the meantime, remember the Doug

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Speaker 1: Gotlip Show is daily I think three to six Eastern

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Speaker 1: twelve three Pacific on Fox Sports, Trader, the I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio app or wherever you download podcast, you can also

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01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: download that podcast as well. Um. In the meantime, tell

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Speaker 1: a friend about this, download subscribe ray um and and

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Speaker 1: write a review too. Why why wouldn't you? And if

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Speaker 1: you think this part of the pod was good, wait

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Speaker 1: to hear the next couple of parts. It's amazing. My

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