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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly
Speaker 2: newscast covering what is happening in the White House, the
Speaker 2: crumbling world what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis.
Speaker 2: This episode, I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Tout, and
Speaker 2: Robert Evans. We're covering the week of July thirtieth August seventh. Robert,
Speaker 2: what is Texas?
Speaker 3: So the original root word of the state's name is Tejas,
Speaker 3: which means friendship, a thing that no one in Texas
Speaker 3: has ever known, because it's the angriest meana state in
Speaker 3: the country. That's that's Texas.
Speaker 2: Garrison up for some stiff competition these days, up for
Speaker 2: some stiff competition, but it's still it's still holding out,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 3: Everything's bigger in Texas, Garrison's It's famed as being the
Speaker 3: second or third worst state that borders New Mexico, so
Speaker 3: you know, rarefied company. Really it can compete with all
Speaker 3: of the states bordering New Mexico except for Colorado. The
Speaker 3: state's bordering New Mexico except for Colorado are Oklahoma and
Speaker 3: Arizona and Texas, so not high bars.
Speaker 4: Texas has some of the finest abt and breakfasts that
Speaker 4: I've ever stayed in, that's right, including one with a
Speaker 4: deeply disturbing basement.
Speaker 3: Okay, just because they had one torture basement, James. So
Speaker 3: we're talking about Texas right now because a bunch of
Speaker 3: the Democratic state legislators just fled the state for Illinois,
Speaker 3: I believe, is how the name of the state has pronounced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's French.
Speaker 1: It's French.
Speaker 2: It's French fact check for real Illinoian wrong.
Speaker 4: Disposed fact checks by real Illinoyance.
Speaker 3: So when you've got a legislature of pretty much any type,
Speaker 3: at least in the US, I'm sure there's other countries
Speaker 3: that don't do it this way, but you need what's
Speaker 3: called a quorum in order to actually do anything, which
Speaker 3: means of the total number of elected members of the legislature,
Speaker 3: you need a certain number of them. Otherwise you can't
Speaker 3: like do anything because there's not enough people there in
Speaker 3: order to to actually have it be a valid vote.
Speaker 3: And I probably don't have to explain the reasonings why.
Speaker 3: There's some pretty obvious reasons why you'd want it to
Speaker 3: work this way. But there are, however, some downsides to it.
Speaker 3: You know, potentially you can be depending on whether or
Speaker 3: not your side is doing it. It's a downside or
Speaker 3: an upside, right, which is that if you have a
Speaker 3: side that is the minority in the government and they
Speaker 3: don't want a vote to go through, they can just bounce.
Speaker 3: And if they bounce at the right time, before the
Speaker 3: legislature has been called and like no one's there, then
Speaker 3: you can't get a quorum and nothing can get done.
Speaker 3: And this is big news right now because in order
Speaker 3: to stop a redistricting vote, a bunch of Democratic legislators
Speaker 3: have fled. But this is a thing that has been
Speaker 3: going on for well over a century, and it is
Speaker 3: a thing that both sides of the aisle have engaged
Speaker 3: in with substantial regularity. I'm not an expert on any
Speaker 3: of this. The earliest example I can find of anyone
Speaker 3: doing this is in Texas, and I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: means it's the earliest example of anyone in the US
Speaker 3: doing this, But the earliest example I found in my
Speaker 3: research was from eighteen seventy. So there's an article on
Speaker 3: this in that by the Texas State Historical Association called
Speaker 3: Understanding the Rump Senate of the twelfth Texas Legislature and
Speaker 3: the rump Senate is a term applied to the fifteen
Speaker 3: radical Republican members of the twelfth Texas Legislature who fled
Speaker 3: in eighteen seventy to stop a vote on a militia bill.
Speaker 3: And this bill gave the governor power to declare martial law.
Speaker 3: It gave him the power to establish a state police force.
Speaker 3: It increased the appointed power of the governor, a bunch
Speaker 3: of stuff that's not all that interesting to us today
Speaker 3: because governors, like every state does this today, right, Like
Speaker 3: there's state police everywhere. Every state governor has the power
Speaker 3: to call a militia, you know, a national guard or whatever.
Speaker 3: Like this is not controversial today, but it was back then.
Speaker 3: And it's important that I note that while it was
Speaker 3: fifteen radical Republicans who fled in eighteen seventy, those were conservatives, right,
Speaker 3: Like the radical Republicans were conservatives in eighteen seventy, right,
Speaker 3: So this is kind of a reverse if you're just
Speaker 3: sort of looking at things from a liberal or conservative
Speaker 3: point of view, This is kind of a reversal of
Speaker 3: what's happening right now in Texas, although it's happened a
Speaker 3: lot of other times since right, So this is eighteen seventy,
Speaker 3: and I should note it didn't succeed right. This is, however,
Speaker 3: one of the fairly rare times when this kind of
Speaker 3: thing happens. If it goes on long enough, every time,
Speaker 3: the governor basically will declare an arrest warrant for the
Speaker 3: legislators who have left. And as a general rule, this
Speaker 3: does nothing, right, Like, the governor has the ability to
Speaker 3: find them a certain amount per day, and it has
Speaker 3: the ability to call out an arrest warrant, but it's
Speaker 3: not like a real arrest warrant. Like if you murder
Speaker 3: a guy and then lead to another state, an arrest
Speaker 3: warrant will be issued that law enforcement in that state
Speaker 3: has to abide by. Right, because you murdered somebody, this
Speaker 3: is not a real crime. Basically, if you flee back,
Speaker 3: if you wind up back in the state that you left,
Speaker 3: you can be taken into custody by law enforcement in
Speaker 3: the state, but they can't leave the state to get you.
Speaker 3: And almost I would say, like ninety percent of the
Speaker 3: time when something like this happens, nobody actually gets arrested. However,
Speaker 3: in eighteen seventy, several Conservative members were held under arrest
Speaker 3: for like three weeks until the Senate could.
Speaker 1: Pass the legislation.
Speaker 3: So, as is usually the case whenever stuff like this happens,
Speaker 3: it only succeeded in kind of delaying the inevitable. It
Speaker 3: didn't succeed in actually stopping things. And this has happened
Speaker 3: a number of times in Texas. Most recently Texas Democratic
Speaker 3: lawmakers broke quorum in twenty twenty one. And I want
Speaker 3: to quote here from an article in ABC News, quote
Speaker 3: Texas state lawmakers left Brookquarman twenty twenty one when Democratic
Speaker 3: House representatives fled Texas to prevent measures restricting voting options.
Speaker 3: The measures eventually passed after internal democratic fissures led to
Speaker 3: enough representatives returning to form a quorum. And this is
Speaker 3: the kind of thing where Governor Abbott allowed the sergeant
Speaker 3: of Arms, or commanded this target of arms to arrest
Speaker 3: the members within Texas. Weirdly enough, a couple of them
Speaker 3: did return. The first was Philip Cortes, who like briefly
Speaker 3: came back to Austin to handle personal business and there
Speaker 3: was a civil arrest warrant signed, but then he fled
Speaker 3: the state again before he could be arrested. There were
Speaker 3: warrants signed for the fifty two remaining absent legislators, but
Speaker 3: law enforcement didn't arrest or detain anybody. Eventually, enough Democratic
Speaker 3: legislators came back into the state for like personal reasons.
Speaker 3: Some of them had like shit to handle, like in
Speaker 3: their own life. Some of them had other things they
Speaker 3: wanted to push through in terms of like legislature, and
Speaker 3: so they were like, I guess I'll come back and
Speaker 3: let this happen. And eventually the House reached quorum and
Speaker 3: this past Democrats did not face the five hundred dollars
Speaker 3: a day fine that they'd been threatened by the governor,
Speaker 3: and nobody was arrested. Now, I've been talking about Texas here,
Speaker 3: but this happens all over the place. In fact, when
Speaker 3: this story first broke, the immediate thing I thought back
Speaker 3: on was what happened very recently in the state of Oregon,
Speaker 3: and has happened a couple of times in the state
Speaker 3: of Oregon.
Speaker 2: You know mine too. They do this all the time,
Speaker 2: they do this a lot.
Speaker 3: But yes, this is a common thing in Oregon. It
Speaker 3: has started, and this is both parties have done this.
Speaker 3: I should note, right, both Democrats and Republicans in Oregon,
Speaker 3: as in Texas have done walkouts.
Speaker 2: They don't even have to leave the state. They don't
Speaker 2: even have.
Speaker 3: To leave the state, although they have recently. This seems
Speaker 3: to have started an Oregon I think in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 3: There's actually a really good article that's hit like an
Speaker 3: overview of a bunch of different states history of doing
Speaker 3: this in Oregon Central Oregon Daily News. Although it's an
Speaker 3: ap press article, so I guess Central Oregon Daily just
Speaker 3: is licensing this thing. But anyway, in Oregon, the most
Speaker 3: recent case of this happening was in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: after Republican staged a six week boycott, which is the
Speaker 3: longest so far in Oregon legislature history, over a rule
Speaker 3: a law of the Democratic Party was pushing to protect
Speaker 3: abortion rights the right to gender firming care for transgender people.
Speaker 3: This again did not succeed. This was passed in the
Speaker 3: legislature and there were actually some consequences, although it hasn't
Speaker 3: been enough time to see how serious there will be.
Speaker 3: Because there was a different GOP walkout over climate change
Speaker 3: legislation which also failed in twenty twenty two, and as
Speaker 3: a result of that twenty twenty two walkout, voters approved
Speaker 3: an amendment to the state constitution in Oregon which barred
Speaker 3: lawmakers from getting re elected if they had more than
Speaker 3: ten unexcused absences in a single annual legislative session, and
Speaker 3: as a result of the walkout the next year over
Speaker 3: abortion rights in gender firming care, ten Oregon Republican lawmakers
Speaker 3: were barred from seeking re election again. As I stated,
Speaker 3: this is something that very rarely actually does anything. There's
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty one case in New Hampshire where Democrats
Speaker 3: walked out in protest of an anti abortion bill. The
Speaker 3: Republican House speaker locked the doors to maintain a quorum.
Speaker 3: I'm going to quote from the Central Ark and Daily article,
Speaker 3: sucking the doors right now so that everybody in the
Speaker 3: chamber will stay in the chamber. Shout at House Speaker
Speaker 3: Sherman Packard, who later refused to let Democrats back in
Speaker 3: to vote on the bill. It's just fucking like representative
Speaker 3: politics is just snol children shouting at each other. I
Speaker 3: want them to fight with canes. They should be fighting
Speaker 3: with King.
Speaker 4: Agreed, give them nerfs, give them give them all enough,
Speaker 4: let them fight it out.
Speaker 3: I would say ninety percent of the time nothing is,
Speaker 3: at least from the reading I've done, nothing is achieved
Speaker 3: except for a delay, which is not to say that
Speaker 3: that's nothing. And also I do believe, like in the
Speaker 3: case of the Democratic Party, I don't think what the
Speaker 3: Texas Democrats are doing will stop the redistricting. Like the
Speaker 3: Republicans are going to win this fight. It's worth fighting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm glad they're fighting it. However, very rarely is the
Speaker 3: actual law stopped or is anything but a delay achieved.
Speaker 3: One of the rare cases in which something more was
Speaker 3: achieved is in twenty eleven, in Wisconsin, Democratic state senators
Speaker 3: fled to Illinois as a protest against Governor Scott Walker.
Speaker 3: He was attempting stript public workers of their union rights. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and this, you know, this walkout was staged at the
Speaker 3: same time as a mass pro union demonstration at the capitol,
Speaker 3: and after several weeks they won a partial victory. Republicans
Speaker 3: weakened the legislation, which is like significant, right, like the
Speaker 3: fact that they actually got concessions over this, and sometimes
Speaker 3: the delay can be significant. The same year that that
Speaker 3: all went down in Wisconsin, Indiana Democrats also left for.
Speaker 4: For whatever reason ILLINOI is where you go if you're
Speaker 4: doing this, No on wants to come get you know,
Speaker 4: wants to go. No one's coming to Illinois.
Speaker 3: It's I'd been to fuck Illinois and sorry, Illinois is
Speaker 3: the hero of this story.
Speaker 1: We love you Illinois.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chicago's five, Chicago's fied for whatever reason. This is
Speaker 3: the state you go to if you're a Democrat doing
Speaker 3: this in the modern era.
Speaker 4: If you're in Wisconsin, it's not a far away I guess.
Speaker 3: Well, this is Indiana too, and also not very far away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also not far Yeah, they couldn't make it
Speaker 4: to California.
Speaker 3: You know, it's further now that Texans are doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but Indiana Democrats left in two that an eleven to
Speaker 3: prevent Republican law that would have stopped unions from levying
Speaker 3: mandatory fees on union members, which would kind of make
Speaker 3: could potentially make it impossible to do a union because
Speaker 3: nobody wants to pay for a union. But everyone wants
Speaker 3: won right, Yeah, every worker does.
Speaker 1: You want the union protecting you.
Speaker 3: You don't want to have to give up your money,
Speaker 3: So it's the kind of thing you could I think
Speaker 3: the Republican plan was use the natural greed that people
Speaker 3: have in order to hamstring unionizing efforts.
Speaker 2: Many such cases, and.
Speaker 3: The Democrats left, which left the House short of its quorum,
Speaker 3: and threatened to stay in the other states until they
Speaker 3: were promised that the bills would not be called. Republicans
Speaker 3: successfully passed the bill, but they had to wait until
Speaker 3: the next year. So again, every now and then you
Speaker 3: ECO win out here or the site doing this eeks
Speaker 3: out a win, and everyone does it, and everyone has
Speaker 3: been doing it for more than one hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 3: Nothing about this is new, with the exception of the
Speaker 3: fact that they actually look to be pushing some serious
Speaker 3: legal consequences. The most I've been able to find in
Speaker 3: the history of this is what happened in eighteen seventy
Speaker 3: where a number of people were arrested and held in
Speaker 3: custody for a few weeks. Usually no one is arrested,
Speaker 3: and usually the fines aren't even actually levy. Right now,
Speaker 3: this does cost money. The last Texas walkout, Texas Democrats
Speaker 3: were spending like ten grand a day on food and board,
Speaker 3: you know, paying for their hotels or whatever, which was
Speaker 3: I think Beato Ol'roor raised most of the money through
Speaker 3: his pack, which is what.
Speaker 2: Covered it a few hundred grand, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like six hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So you know this does cost money to do because
Speaker 3: you've got to put these people up. But generally you're
Speaker 3: not really hiding them. And generally the legal consequences are
Speaker 3: more of a threat than a reality.
Speaker 2: Right, and that might not be true in this most
Speaker 2: recent year.
Speaker 3: Yes case, yes, and we're going to throw to you, Garrison,
Speaker 3: but first, you know who does force serious life changing
Speaker 3: legal consequences on people.
Speaker 4: Jay Pritzk.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the products and services that support this podcast,
Speaker 3: which are entirely we're actually backed entirely by JB.
Speaker 2: Pritzker from your mouth to God's ears, Robert not like
Speaker 2: knowingly I stole his debit card, and boy, that guy
Speaker 2: has a high daily spending let me tell you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he has a lot of shadow companies.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Thanks JB. Please don't change your password to your
Speaker 3: online bank. Garrison, Hi, we're back.
Speaker 2: So, as Roberts said, Republicans in the Texas legislature are
Speaker 2: trying to jerrymander Texas to increase their total power over
Speaker 2: the state, proposing a redistricting map that would add five
Speaker 2: more Republican seats and in an effort to prevent or
Speaker 2: delay this. This past Sunday, sixty two Texas Democrats have
Speaker 2: fled to Illinois to deny quorum in the Texas House,
Speaker 2: and only twelve need to return in order for the
Speaker 2: redistricting to go through, with the main goal right now
Speaker 2: being trying to stay out of the state until November.
Speaker 2: In terms of consequences, new House rules adopted back in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three after the twenty twenty one quorum, I
Speaker 2: can impose a five hundred dollars fine per day for
Speaker 2: missing lawmakers, not just from the governor.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: On Monday, the Texas House Republicans voted to issue civil
Speaker 2: arrestaurants for the lawmakers, empowering the Sergeant of Arms and
Speaker 2: the Texas State Troopers to locate, apprehend, and transport the
Speaker 2: rogue legislators back to the capitol. Governor Greg Abot announced
Speaker 2: he had mobilized the Texas Department of Public Safety to
Speaker 2: return the Democrats to the chamber. Now, these warrants really
Speaker 2: only apply within state lines. These are civil warrants. They're
Speaker 2: not facing criminal charges though. Back in twenty and three,
Speaker 2: during a similar quorum break due to gerrymandering efforts, federal
Speaker 2: resources were used to track planes with suspect did rogue
Speaker 2: Democrat lawmakers, and Abbott has already proposed trying to declare
Speaker 2: their House seats vacant if they do not return, a
Speaker 2: tactic which would probably prompt some lengthy legal battles and
Speaker 2: require new special elections to take place to fill the seats.
Speaker 2: So that still would like delay this process. That's not
Speaker 2: a quick solution. But there has been some breaking news
Speaker 2: as of this morning recording Thursday. On Thursday morning, Texas
Speaker 2: Senator John Corbin announced that the FBI would now be
Speaker 2: investigating and working to locate the Texas House Democrats, saying
Speaker 2: in a press release, quote, I thank President Trump and
Speaker 2: Director Patel for supporting and swiftly acting on my call
Speaker 2: for the federal government to hold these supposed lawmakers accountable
Speaker 2: for fleeing Texas. We cannot allow these rogue legislators to
Speaker 2: avoid their constitutional responsibilities unquote. So the extent of the
Speaker 2: FBI's involvement in tracking, down, locating, or apper the Democrats
Speaker 2: is currently unknown. The FBI has declined to comment, but
Speaker 2: this is something that's going to develop in the next week, which.
Speaker 1: They always do when ongoing case is.
Speaker 3: Like sure if you email or whatever the FBI about
Speaker 3: any ongoing case.
Speaker 1: This is what they do, period. It's been their policy
Speaker 1: for forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it doesn't tell you anything, just saying that
Speaker 2: in terms of, like, we do not know what the
Speaker 2: extent of their involvement is going to be at this point, right, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and they might not even know either. Yeah. This could
Speaker 2: just be a tech cashpitel TikTok.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a good chance they're internally scrambling to like,
Speaker 3: what are we gonna do?
Speaker 2: Like, this would be unprecedented sending a federal law enforcement
Speaker 2: arm to physically apprehend and return lawmakers. That is certainly
Speaker 2: an escalation from using like federal resources to track planes
Speaker 2: like they did in twos and three. This would be
Speaker 2: a whole new ballgame.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As I noted, it's uncommon for them to be arrested
Speaker 3: inside the state by the sergeant at arms.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, I mean, like arrest just means you know,
Speaker 2: you'd like accompany them back to the capital or force
Speaker 2: them to return to the capital.
Speaker 1: You're staying here, You're not going to leave to the state.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got a guy called Sogant Arms involved. It's
Speaker 4: not serious, but even that's purely uncommon.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I like most corm breaks fail because legislators just
Speaker 2: choose to return, whether to do personal business, whether to
Speaker 2: do political business. It takes a lot of discipline to
Speaker 2: not return to your home for a period of like
Speaker 2: three to six months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get stuff to do.
Speaker 3: Most people, a lot of people have what are called
Speaker 3: familize famali's something like.
Speaker 4: That for media.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's a new concept. Yeah, we're still working
Speaker 3: at kool Zone to get a handle on it. We'll
Speaker 3: have a report on whatever that is.
Speaker 1: So don't worry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've got to get back to the policule or whatever.
Speaker 4: But they haven't violated a federal law right lately.
Speaker 2: No, so federal, they'ven't violated a Texas law.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's not a law.
Speaker 3: It is literally the governor saying I'm sending guys for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is some old timey parliamentarian shit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like you know, as I was saying, it's
Speaker 6: like again, it is on. This could just be a
Speaker 6: cash hotel TikTok op.
Speaker 1: But also I hate the way that sounds.
Speaker 4: I what a fucking way to describe our federal law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a hinge.
Speaker 6: This is genuinely okay, I'm gonna take a very very
Speaker 6: slight detour, which I said this before. But also, like,
Speaker 6: the thing that gives me the most hope about all
Speaker 6: of this is that, like, look, they found the right
Speaker 6: winger to put in charge of the American secret police,
Speaker 6: and he doesn't want to do his job because he
Speaker 6: just wants to be a podcaster.
Speaker 3: Hey, understand, you make me director the FBI, and I
Speaker 3: promise to be more or less the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But you know, but if this is actually a thing
Speaker 6: right and federal agents is only grabbing lawmakers out of Illinois.
Speaker 3: That is that's a big deal. Yeah, it's a massive escalation.
Speaker 2: And that's why, as people fully supported by pritz Chris
Speaker 2: private militia, we will be on the frontline defending the
Speaker 2: Texas lav makers. That's right, saluting the Chicago flag.
Speaker 7: M hm.
Speaker 3: Yes, As as Governor, Pritzker recently stated blood for the
Speaker 3: blood gods, skulls for the skull throne.
Speaker 1: Classic Pritzker.
Speaker 6: And did you need to do some Pritzker not even
Speaker 6: slander here, So just fuck you, tiny bit of fuck
Speaker 6: you Pritzker news, which I was gonna talk about a
Speaker 6: little bit anyways later, but U Pritzker has basically allowed
Speaker 6: a bunch of hospitals in Chicago to stop covering gender
Speaker 6: firmacare for minors, even though it's like illegal under Illinois
Speaker 6: state law.
Speaker 2: So fuck him for that, eat shit.
Speaker 6: Yeah we we we will unfortunately oppose the Kannie of
Speaker 6: the Great Plains.
Speaker 3: And what's the reasoning there? Has he given any.
Speaker 2: He was just like, oh, well they're gonna lose funding.
Speaker 3: Ah, oh no, it is over yeah, okay, yeah, it's so,
Speaker 3: it is over the threats.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, a number.
Speaker 3: Of states have been have been something similar is brewing
Speaker 3: in Oregon right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've we've yeah, this has been happening Oregon. We
Speaker 6: we just had an episode about people resisting this in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6: This will be a continuing and ongoing struggle. But I
Speaker 6: fuck you Pritzker, eat shit.
Speaker 2: Like I do have two science stories for this middle
Speaker 2: segment here. First one, I'm gonna call on everyone's I
Speaker 2: don't know, probably my least favorite Kennedy RFRF Wow controversial. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of bad Kennedy's.
Speaker 8: After reviewing the science and consulting top experts at NIH
Speaker 8: and FDA, HHS has the termine that mRNA technology poses
Speaker 8: more risks than benefits for these respiratory viruses. That's why,
Speaker 8: after a extensive review, BARTA has begun the process of
Speaker 8: terminating these twenty two contracts totaling just under five hundred
Speaker 8: million dollars to replace the troubled mRNA programs, we're prioritizing
Speaker 8: the development of the Sayer broader VACS strategies.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure thing, sure thing, mister Kennedy. Oh Jesus fucking Christ.
Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds true, and not like we're throwing away
Speaker 3: a holy grail of medical miracles.
Speaker 2: Literally won the Nobel Price. Yeah yeah, yeah, So this
Speaker 2: is this is some devastating news where he is is
Speaker 2: removing twenty two contracts researchers and universities that are developing
Speaker 2: new mRNA vaccine technology. And earlier in that video, so
Speaker 2: I'm not going to play because it's just him basically lying,
Speaker 2: but he was lying about how mRNA technology has been
Speaker 2: ineffective against upper respiratory infections because it only targets a
Speaker 2: single protein which not only becomes obsolete due to mutations,
Speaker 2: but actually accelerates the mutation process and prolongs pandemics. This
Speaker 2: is not true. You can know no, it's not true.
Speaker 2: This is not true. And one of the most unique
Speaker 2: aspects of m RNA technology is that the vaccines can
Speaker 2: be developed at a much faster pace to be deployed
Speaker 2: against mutations. And if a vaccine is not does not
Speaker 2: one hundred percent prevent an infection, that doesn't mean they
Speaker 2: still won't, like decrease the severity of symptoms. He is
Speaker 2: trying to cote his his decades decades long like anti
Speaker 2: vaccine advocacy in this like scientific language while actually just
Speaker 2: like stripping away all of the funding and removing access
Speaker 2: to two vaccines. And this is stuff that he promised
Speaker 2: not to do. In his confirmation hearings. He said that
Speaker 2: he would not take away vaccines yep. And he would
Speaker 2: not change who's on the vaccine advisory panels. He has
Speaker 2: done both of those things so far. Two months ago,
Speaker 2: he fired all seventy members of the advisory panel. I
Speaker 2: talked with Cave about this, and he replaced them with
Speaker 2: eight anti vaxxers. And not only did he remove a
Speaker 2: multi billion dollar contract from Deurna to continue mRNA vaccine research,
Speaker 2: he now canceled these twenty two other contracts totally five
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars of technology. People are going to die
Speaker 2: and get sick because of these changes, yes, yeah, which
Speaker 2: doesn't just affect like COVID and the flu, so it
Speaker 2: also affects all of the other ways that mRNA technology
Speaker 2: can be utilized. A lot of these research projects are
Speaker 2: about expanding the possible use of this technology beyond upper
Speaker 2: respiratory infections. So this sucks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is real bad ITV.
Speaker 2: I am very nervous about the development of the HIV
Speaker 2: vaccine and cancer vaccines, things that we were getting so
Speaker 2: close to now being put into jeopardy because this fucking
Speaker 2: clown is in charge of Health and Human Services.
Speaker 4: A ton of this is wor I've done at the
Speaker 4: salkans Gean San Diego, Achile.
Speaker 2: It was reported earlier this week that some Republicans and
Speaker 2: Trump himself might actually not be happy about this. And
Speaker 2: Trump has a meeting scheduled with RFK Junior today to
Speaker 2: discuss these cancelations, so we'll see where that goes. In
Speaker 2: some other science news, Sean Duffy, interm NASA administrator who
Speaker 2: also is the Secretary of Transportation, who directed his employees
Speaker 2: to prioritize funding in grants towards towards demographics with high
Speaker 2: marriage rates. He announced that he was expediating plans to
Speaker 2: launch and operate a one hundred kilowatt nuclear reactor for
Speaker 2: the Moon.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 3: Look, there's a lot of people living on the Moon
Speaker 3: and power outages have been a constant problem there, Garrison,
Speaker 3: if this science fiction novel from the nineteen sixties is accurate.
Speaker 2: I talk with a friend of mine who is an
Speaker 2: anonymous NASA contractor. She gave a quote, quote I need
Speaker 2: a cigarette unquote.
Speaker 1: Great, because he just got fucked.
Speaker 6: It's also worth noting that all of this is coming
Speaker 6: in the context of the largest really like the largest
Speaker 6: cuts in the history of American science across the board
Speaker 6: to anything that's actually like I'm gonna get's remotely doing science,
Speaker 6: Like yeah, sorry, I just I just want to go on.
Speaker 2: Especially space science, like Duffy's trying to manufacture this new
Speaker 2: space race and prioritize like manned Moon, all while cutting
Speaker 2: at least fifty percent all NASA science missions and just
Speaker 2: like absolutely crippling NASA's capacity to actually develop technology. Now,
Speaker 2: Duffy said at a press conference, and seeing this new
Speaker 2: directive on Tuesday, quote we are in a race to
Speaker 2: the moon, a race with China to the moon, and
Speaker 2: to have a base on the moon, we need energy. Unquote.
Speaker 2: Is that fucking nineteen fifty talk? What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: And that's the time when the greatness happened to Garrison.
Speaker 4: They want to get back to that.
Speaker 2: The NASA contractor I spoke with said quote, NASA is
Speaker 2: already down at least twenty percent of its workforce and
Speaker 2: behind on its previously announced to lunar missions and objectives
Speaker 2: see the Lunar Gateway and Artemis three. I just don't
Speaker 2: immediately see a world where NASA does this successfully, even
Speaker 2: if they go the route of contracting it out. If
Speaker 2: the success, specifically the lack thereof of the commercial Lunar
Speaker 2: Payload Services Program and the commercial LEEO Destinations program, has
Speaker 2: any indication for how this will go, it will be
Speaker 2: mirrored in failure and many years behind schedule at best. Unquote.
Speaker 2: This new NASA directive from Shan Duffy calls for a
Speaker 2: fission Surface Power Program executive to be named by the
Speaker 2: end of August, whoill then implement yes, yes, who will
Speaker 2: then impleant and oversee the project while reporting directly to
Speaker 2: the NASA Administrator. The directive reads, quote, since March twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, China and Russia have announced, on at least
Speaker 2: three occasions a joint effort to place a reactor on
Speaker 2: the Moon by the mid twenty thirties. The first country
Speaker 2: to do so could potentially declare a keepout zone, which
Speaker 2: would significantly inhibit the United States from establishing a planned
Speaker 2: Artemis presence if not their first unquote. And this is
Speaker 2: I think a big part of why Duffy is wanting
Speaker 2: to do this, and the contractor I spoke to said quote,
Speaker 2: If they're able to extend some quote unquote exclusion zone
Speaker 2: around a reactor on the surface where other countries aren't
Speaker 2: allowed to land, it's not difficult to imagine that they
Speaker 2: may try to use this to de facto claim areas
Speaker 2: of the Moon for the United States unquote.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, we have colonized the Moon.
Speaker 2: And there is even more troubling use cases. Part of
Speaker 2: the directive reads that this would quote encourage dual use
Speaker 2: civil and defense operational architectures, Yes, for deployed fission surface
Speaker 2: power systems in coordination with interagency partners.
Speaker 4: Moon base unquote. Space force finally getting its moment in
Speaker 4: the sun on the Moon.
Speaker 6: I guess this really is just like the pure unspeakable
Speaker 6: tragedy is unspeakable first version of colonialism, because it's like
Speaker 6: the moon is the one place that is actually Tyrannullis
Speaker 6: and there's nothing there and there's nothing to gain from
Speaker 6: being there.
Speaker 2: There's just nothing. But you know, we got to colonize it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the sun ever sets on the American Empire
Speaker 4: if you've got the moon on it as well, so
Speaker 4: you got that going for you.
Speaker 2: It's just just it's just a pure drive of colonialism
Speaker 2: detached from its actual like material motives.
Speaker 4: Having failed to gain Greenland, we will pivot and take
Speaker 4: the Moon instead.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the Moon and Greenland are both
Speaker 3: similarly habitable territories, so.
Speaker 4: It's true, but you can't do backflips in Greenland.
Speaker 2: So like, this is the plot of despicable meat.
Speaker 6: Like that's what we're doing here, We're doing the plant
Speaker 6: of despicable meat.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Many science fiction movies have predicted this, Please send them
Speaker 4: all to us.
Speaker 3: Yes, as was noted by Robert Heinland, the moon is
Speaker 3: indeed a harsh mistress.
Speaker 1: Wait, what is that I hear? Is that the tariff songs.
Speaker 10: Jazz, rock jazz po sorry, rocking.
Speaker 3: Jazz, ah god, every time, every time, it's good.
Speaker 2: Let's talk tariff tariffs. There are so many of them.
Speaker 6: The tariffs have gone into effect, So all right, we're
Speaker 6: gonna do a full episode about this on Monday, because
Speaker 6: there is so much tariff bullshit that it quite frankly
Speaker 6: needs its own actual episode in which we're gonna be
Speaker 6: talking about shit like, for example, the US has maybe
Speaker 6: on accident, maybe on purpose, recognized the junta me and
Speaker 6: mar is a legitimate government.
Speaker 2: Do the tariffs stuff.
Speaker 6: We'reking about that on Monday because we don't have time
Speaker 6: for that, Shita.
Speaker 2: What we instead have time for is.
Speaker 6: The just massive array of tariffs on a list of
Speaker 6: countries so long that we just genuinely can't read them.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 6: Okay, this is a very very confusing raft of tariffs.
Speaker 6: In a lot of ways, it's simpler than the other ones.
Speaker 6: But okay, so so Persian And if the US runs
Speaker 6: a trade deficit with you and you're not also in
Speaker 6: one of the other special categories where we have imposed
Speaker 6: a really high tariff on you, it's like fifteen percent.
Speaker 6: If we have a trade surplus with the country we
Speaker 6: imposed a ten percent tariff.
Speaker 2: This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 6: Sure, Okay, So it's like in terms of the state
Speaker 6: of motives of the tariffs, it doesn't make any sense
Speaker 6: except in terms of like raising money, which these raised
Speaker 6: very little actual money relative to like the amount of money.
Speaker 2: The US spends.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Right wing commentators have stated that the end goal of
Speaker 2: this massive tariff program is to abolish income tax because
Speaker 2: we can fund the government through tariffs. Actually great, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just know that. No, you can't like this, No, this.
Speaker 4: Is just yeah. At the same time, it said driving
Speaker 4: the deficit into the fucking sky, like yeah.
Speaker 6: And we've talked about the sort of riffs that this
Speaker 6: has caused, with like the sort of true believer deficit
Speaker 6: hawks versus these just completely unhinged fund the government with
Speaker 6: tariff weirdos. But Comma, there have been a huge number
Speaker 6: of countries. Then now we have fifteen percent tariffs on
Speaker 6: we've also gotten a formal like announcement of the one
Speaker 6: hundred percent tariffs on semiconductors unless you invest do some
Speaker 6: kind of certificant investment in the US. It's deeply unclear
Speaker 6: what the fuck that means. Uh, Apple hasn't pledged to
Speaker 6: invest one hundred billion dollars in the US. There's this
Speaker 6: very very weird thing on the right where like they
Speaker 6: just they think that you can make iPhones here. You can't.
Speaker 6: You just simply cannot. We you don't have the labor force,
Speaker 6: you do not have the technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Tim Cook did just bribe Trump with a.
Speaker 4: Nice plate of gold in the iPhone, a big old
Speaker 4: ingot of gold.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a gold iPhone.
Speaker 2: There was some glass involved as well, No, it was
Speaker 2: it was it was a plate that was on like
Speaker 2: a gold like brick base. I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the way we do it. Now, we're exactly
Speaker 4: decided under the radar.
Speaker 6: Cool.
Speaker 2: You have to bribe the supreme ruler by giving gifts
Speaker 2: of gold to grand good favor.
Speaker 4: Oh god, it's like fucking smoke whatever. Like it has
Speaker 4: this pile of gold that he's going to be sitting on.
Speaker 4: It's going to be Scrooge mcducking in that ship by
Speaker 4: the end of four years.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't get us started on ducktails. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no cure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll really inflate the length of this episode.
Speaker 4: That's what they call a layup in in sports ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the tear us up to?
Speaker 6: They're calling me the fucking Wembin y'all, fucking a fucking
Speaker 6: inflation shop blocking Fuck this we're talking about. We're talking
Speaker 6: about ship infrastructure. People have been trying to develop like
Speaker 6: the infrastructure developed ships for a long time now. The
Speaker 6: Biden administration did this. The Chinese government isn't boring a
Speaker 6: bunch of money into it. And it's basically impossible to
Speaker 6: actually develop domestic ship infrastructure other than the kinds of
Speaker 6: infrastructure that he US already has. Because the really short
Speaker 6: version of it is that it's not just a technological problem,
Speaker 6: and it is it's really hard to actually develop the technology.
Speaker 6: This is why almost all of the direct production stuff
Speaker 6: there trying to replicate basically just happens in Taiwan. It's
Speaker 6: not just a problem of the technology is really hard.
Speaker 6: It's a problem of the machines to make. The machines
Speaker 6: that you need to make these things exist in like
Speaker 6: one place in the world, in Switzerland, right. So in
Speaker 6: order to actually scale up production of this, which is woild,
Speaker 6: is in theory what these one hundred percent imported semi
Speaker 6: conductor tariffs are supposed to do. Right, You have to
Speaker 6: go up three layers of the supply chain, you have
Speaker 6: to make the machines that make the machines that make
Speaker 6: the machines that make the semi conductors.
Speaker 2: Right, that's like the simplest way to explain it. We don't.
Speaker 2: We can't fucking do that. Like Apple could throw a
Speaker 2: fucking hundred billion dollars that what that would do?
Speaker 1: Shit?
Speaker 6: Right, So they're chasing just a ghost. But you know,
Speaker 6: our entire sort of like trade policy is just being
Speaker 6: run by the just weird, fascist, miasmic phantoms of all
Speaker 6: of these trade policy people. Now, it's also worth noting
Speaker 6: that there's been you know, another I guess kind of
Speaker 6: that's been enacted. Other than hilariously, the countries that tried
Speaker 6: to negotiate what Trump got worse rates than the ones
Speaker 6: who just waited until he imposed fifteen percent rate.
Speaker 4: Generally, that's kod it's funny.
Speaker 6: But also so Trump has been threatening anyone who buys
Speaker 6: oil from Russia and also I think Venezuela, though it
Speaker 6: has been less for US on that with fifty percent tariffs.
Speaker 6: Right now he's threatening India with fifty percent tariffs because
Speaker 6: India has been buying oil from Russia that India's tariffs
Speaker 6: are currently a twenty five percent. He is also just
Speaker 6: straight up imposed to fifty percent tariff on Brazil for
Speaker 6: refusing to release Bolsonaro. There's been some updates on that
Speaker 6: front where Lula is just straight up refusing to do
Speaker 6: direct talks at the US. Lula had an exclusive interview
Speaker 6: with Reuters where he said, quote, we had already pardoned
Speaker 6: the US interventions in the nineteen sixty four coup, said Lula,
Speaker 6: who got his political striders. Listen, listen to the Lula
Speaker 6: episodes we did, They're very good. More more Lula quote,
Speaker 6: but this is now not a small intervention. It's the
Speaker 6: president of the United States thinking he can dictate rules
Speaker 6: for a sovereign country like Brazil. It's unacceptable. It's worth
Speaker 6: noting that this is actually a pretty massive change for
Speaker 6: like Lula specifically relations with the US. Lula actually had
Speaker 6: very good relations with George Bush. But he is writing
Speaker 6: a massive tide of of Brazilian anti American nationalism, and
Speaker 6: he's attempting to spread this tide elsewhere.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 6: He's been specifically saying that he's calling on organized resistance
Speaker 6: from particularly India and China, but the rest of bricks,
Speaker 6: which is a well, okay, bricks was originally a category
Speaker 6: of assets that's now kind of a vaguely a political
Speaker 6: alliance who's made members are Brazil, Russia, India, China, and
Speaker 6: South Africa. It's unclear if this will happen, I kind
Speaker 6: of I don't know, but Lula's the first person really
Speaker 6: really seriously trying to organize resistance to this outside of
Speaker 6: the EU. The EU's also under a thread of thirty
Speaker 6: percent tariffs if they don't just sort of like see
Speaker 6: the Trump's demands. But like you know, again, India also
Speaker 6: negotiated ill with the US and then immediately got their tariffs,
Speaker 6: like is now being threatened with fifty percent tariffs, so
Speaker 6: you can't negotiate with him to escape this. So I
Speaker 6: don't know, Lula, maybe this is the beginning of sort
Speaker 6: of organized, like large scale organized terraff resistance to the
Speaker 6: US being framed in this sort of like collective struggle
Speaker 6: versus the US thing. That's an interesting political trend that
Speaker 6: will be following as all of us continues. Okay, and
Speaker 6: the rest of the unhinged amount of tariff news we're
Speaker 6: going to be covering Monday, I will make a brief
Speaker 6: note that the Yale Budget Lab is estimating like like
Speaker 6: a twenty four hundred dollars increase for the average family
Speaker 6: just in terms of like inflation prices for this especially
Speaker 6: on things like clothing. They are specifically I think there's
Speaker 6: a sane article puls so they're specifically talking about running
Speaker 6: shorts and shoes and anything any goods from South Asia
Speaker 6: massively increasing in price. You're talking thirty percent increases very quickly.
Speaker 6: So yeah, Now, obviously all of this news is I
Speaker 6: don't know, the stock market has kind of like accustomed
Speaker 6: itself to tariff news. Yeah, but Comma, we've got a
Speaker 6: really really bad job support last month.
Speaker 2: And well actually, well well I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 2: I think the jobs report could be completely faked. Yeah,
Speaker 2: who can say, Jesus, if the president says it, it
Speaker 2: has to be true.
Speaker 4: A Biden did you have a Biden appointee?
Speaker 2: All crazy crazy The auto pen is issued to this
Speaker 2: job's report.
Speaker 6: So yeah, Trump, Trump has fired the Commission of the
Speaker 6: Bureau of Labor Statistics for releasing this report. We are
Speaker 6: just we are just truly fully into the deep end
Speaker 6: of shit.
Speaker 2: Now, Like the report just showed that we didn't have
Speaker 2: very positive job growths, and like anyone who's trying to
Speaker 2: get a job right now can confirm that it's like
Speaker 2: a nightmare.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we're just like we're just like fully going
Speaker 6: to be in Like, you know, it's unclear exactly how
Speaker 6: fast American data collection capacity is going to degrade. It
Speaker 6: is worth noting this is the thing that kind of
Speaker 6: happens at the end of dictatorships when they really start
Speaker 6: going to shit, is that they lose the ability to
Speaker 6: trust their own cistical apparatus.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, like anything that happens that Trump just doesn't like,
Speaker 2: you can claim it's fake and rigged, whether that's losing
Speaker 2: an election, whether that's his good close personal friend Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 2: or if that's a Bureau of Labor Statistics job report,
Speaker 2: it's all rigged. It's all a hope.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But to tie this back to Lula for a second,
Speaker 6: I think it's actually really a really interesting historical parallel
Speaker 6: that's worth noting that Lula's rise to political prominence came
Speaker 6: off of a series of strikes that was held because
Speaker 6: because a bunch of economists that were working with the
Speaker 6: inside the Brazilian labor unions figured out the military dictatorship
Speaker 6: of Brazil had been faking their inflation numbers, and like,
Speaker 6: this is one of the things that caused the end
Speaker 6: of the dictatorship. So you know, you can only lie
Speaker 6: about the inflation rate for so long before like someone
Speaker 6: goes like, hey, you've been lying about this the whole time,
Speaker 6: and I don't know this.
Speaker 2: This, this has brought down military kidder just before. And
Speaker 2: that's why we have to hold archive of our own
Speaker 2: accountable for faking those inflation numbers.
Speaker 1: I agree with you entirely, Garrison.
Speaker 11: I don't get paid enough for this. You've lost me
Speaker 11: not following and yeah, that has been terriff talk. You
Speaker 11: know what will continue to be available to our listeners
Speaker 11: at an excellent price despite tariffs.
Speaker 2: The products and services that support this podcast.
Speaker 4: That's absolutely correct, Garrison, Well done. All right, we're back,
Speaker 4: so bad And also back is the United Kingdom, where
Speaker 4: a poll shows that more than half of Britain's think
Speaker 4: there are more migrants in the UK illegally than legally.
Speaker 2: This isn't true, No, but feelings matter way more than facts.
Speaker 4: Je failings matter. They yes, they do. The actual data
Speaker 4: even at the highest estimate of undocumented people shows that
Speaker 4: this around ten times more foreign people who are in
Speaker 4: the UK with documents. This is indicative of a broader issue,
Speaker 4: right that the discussions having around immigration are nearly all
Speaker 4: based on massive amounts of misinformation. Misinformation by a mission
Speaker 4: was extremely common in legacy media until very recently, right like,
Speaker 4: there was simply not people covering immigration in a serious fashion,
Speaker 4: Like even in the Biden administration, the reporting that was
Speaker 4: done was atrocious. This comes as the Labor government's disapproval
Speaker 4: rating in the UK hit sixty seven percent in a
Speaker 4: Yugo of pol which I think is very indicative like
Speaker 4: what Labor did, right was try to adopt right wing
Speaker 4: culture war positions to get people to vote for them,
Speaker 4: and it does not work and it is not working
Speaker 4: for them. You can look at their policies towards trans
Speaker 4: people right there, and it's not buying them to favor
Speaker 4: they wanted to moving back to the United States. Yon
Speaker 4: sou Go, she's called Sue by her friends. It has
Speaker 4: been released by Ice after being detained at a routine hearing.
Speaker 4: A twenty year old young woman as a Korean national
Speaker 4: South Korean evidently right and the daughter of a priest
Speaker 4: so she's here on a visa as a dependent of
Speaker 4: a religious worker. There are religious worker visas, and she's
Speaker 4: here as a dependent. She is I believe in the
Speaker 4: process of transitioning to a student visa. She had the
Speaker 4: hearing her case wasn't like dismissed or evoked. She had
Speaker 4: another hearing set for October. I claim that she overstayed
Speaker 4: her visa, Her lawyer says, I claim, it's not true.
Speaker 4: I'm particularly interested in this case because of the intervention
Speaker 4: of the diocese, the Episcopalian Diocese of New York, and
Speaker 4: so it was the Episcopalian Diocese of New York's legal
Speaker 4: team who fought for her release. She was very quickly
Speaker 4: moved to Louisiana. We know that is likes so do
Speaker 4: this right. It likes to move people to places where
Speaker 4: it feels like it has a favorable circuit court. The
Speaker 4: Dioceit offical team was able to secure her release, but
Speaker 4: they are still working on the release of a fifty
Speaker 4: nine year old ProView and asylum seeker who has been
Speaker 4: detained after having her court date moved up. So in
Speaker 4: her CASEY said, hey, we've got a hearing that's opened up.
Speaker 4: When don't you come in on Thursday and then detained her,
Speaker 4: which is just reprehensible. It is really good. I think
Speaker 4: that these big religious organizations are getting involved directly in
Speaker 4: these cases, that they are taking on responsibility, that they're
Speaker 4: using their pulpits as a place to oppose this. I
Speaker 4: think that's good. I think, regardless of your stance, aren't
Speaker 4: organized religion, you should be happy about that. These are
Speaker 4: institutions that have power in this country. Talking of institutions
Speaker 4: that have power, detainees in Florida's Alligator Alcatraz are being
Speaker 4: denied their right to file court documents because federal courts
Speaker 4: are claiming they're not under federal jurisdiction. State courts are
Speaker 4: claiming they're not under state jurisdiction, which is fairly reasonable
Speaker 4: given that they have not been charged with or accused of,
Speaker 4: in many cases, any crimes in the state of Florida.
Speaker 4: Right then, they're not being held. They were not detained
Speaker 4: by well, sometimes they were detained the Florida law enforcement,
Speaker 4: I guess, but only in their capacity to enforce federal
Speaker 4: immigration law.
Speaker 2: Yes, with the special deputized NAT.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's yeah, it's deputies, which we're about to talk
Speaker 4: about there have been some very funny outcomes of that.
Speaker 4: This isn't it like I've seen it report as a loophole.
Speaker 4: It's not a loophole. It's extremely fucking clear that they
Speaker 4: were detained by the federal government for immigration reasons, and
Speaker 4: they have every right to representation in immigration court right
Speaker 4: that this is not a loophole. They're just denying people
Speaker 4: their rights, and I think reporting it as a loophole
Speaker 4: is entirely ridiculous. A judge has ordered a document showing
Speaker 4: who is contracted by whom at the facility be produced
Speaker 4: as part of a civil rights lawsuit. So what that
Speaker 4: will do woul obviously document them. The fatal government it's
Speaker 4: paying some of this. I know rich DeSantis had wanted
Speaker 4: to use FEMA money for some of this breaking news.
Speaker 4: So federal Judge Kathleen Williams has ordered that construction new
Speaker 4: construction halt. They won't be allowed to do any new filling, paving,
Speaker 4: or infrastructure building for the next fourteen days temporary pause.
Speaker 4: They can still continue to hold people right, this is
Speaker 4: not going to stop those people being denied their rights,
Speaker 4: which is what sort of stake here. So we talked
Speaker 4: a little bit about those Florida deputies right who have
Speaker 4: been I guess secondid to ICE orgs. They've been crossworn
Speaker 4: to do ICE work. ICE is recruiting very heavily right now.
Speaker 4: I'm offering fifty thousand dollars sign on bonuses. It has
Speaker 4: reduced a minimum age and it seems to have no
Speaker 4: maximum age cap. From what I can tell, this Border
Speaker 4: Patrol has been issuing all kinds of waivers for years, right,
Speaker 4: for all kinds of things that it's supposed to have
Speaker 4: as like standard for its recruiting. This isn't particularly new.
Speaker 4: ICE has been known for a while. It's kind of
Speaker 4: if you want to be a FED and go around
Speaker 4: and carry a gun, and you can't get hired to
Speaker 4: do gun stuff for the Fed to other agencies, ICE
Speaker 4: is probably the place you're going to end up, right,
Speaker 4: Like their standards are lower than other agencies.
Speaker 2: And now they're like specifically selecting for the most like
Speaker 2: online unhinged right wing free to join their agency as
Speaker 2: like a national police force. Yes, and that's like what
Speaker 2: they're doing in their messaging online. And also some news
Speaker 2: this week Dean Kane has has joined ICE. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's most likely in like a promotional capacity. But still
Speaker 2: worth noting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you might get chased by middle aged superman. So
Speaker 4: let's talk about what ICE is doing to recruit a festival.
Speaker 4: It is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on big trucks.
Speaker 4: We know Donald Trump himself, it's found a big truck,
Speaker 4: so many pictures of him enjoying big trucks. Over the years,
Speaker 4: Ice has spent one hundred and ninety six thousand dollars
Speaker 4: on Ford raptors for recruiting purposes. The raptor, for those
Speaker 4: not familiar, is like a tricked out F one fifty.
Speaker 4: They were issuing raptors to field agents for a while.
Speaker 4: They're not the best vehicles, like I've heard plenty of
Speaker 4: agents complain about the raptism. Yeah, yeah know, And the
Speaker 4: BP had a special like lowest possible trim of the
Speaker 4: raptor that like they're popular now because people will buy
Speaker 4: them used as government surplus and make them good. But
Speaker 4: they yeah, the raptors they had didn't work too well.
Speaker 4: They also bought a GMC Yukon for one hundred and
Speaker 4: one thousand dollars, which is a very expensive GMC yukon.
Speaker 4: I have also noted that ICE is recruiting from the
Speaker 4: police who have been cross sworn into doing ICE enforcement.
Speaker 4: This has resulted in some very funny beefs between agencies
Speaker 4: including can I share this video? Can I screenshare?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's that's what it's the video.
Speaker 12: And then what has happened is ICE has sent emails
Speaker 12: to I don't know how many agencies, by no, several agencies.
Speaker 12: I've talked to several sheriffs that their deputies have received
Speaker 12: these this request and basically it's a recruiting tactic. It's hey,
Speaker 12: we got your email, Now you got certified, and it's
Speaker 12: something like, dear colleague, you showed an interest in this
Speaker 12: and that, and we will let you know that we
Speaker 12: are offering a fifty thousand dollars bonus paid ten thousand
Speaker 12: dollars at a time, and it's for five years. Obviously, man,
Speaker 12: is that not you know Biden handed feeds you. We
Speaker 12: we went through all of that, took our time, utilizing
Speaker 12: our local resoort, not ours yet, but local resources.
Speaker 1: And then they try to recruit you right out from.
Speaker 12: Undery using the very emails that we give you.
Speaker 2: Finally they've found something bad. ICE is done. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is a new low. Even for uce.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sheriff Chip simmons that calling Ice out for that
Speaker 4: poor form.
Speaker 2: Sheriff Chip finally found something that shows this true depress
Speaker 2: a compromised heart of Ice.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah. Where will they stop? Well, let's talk
Speaker 4: about where they will stop or at least start spending.
Speaker 4: Ice has been spending some money this week. Some of
Speaker 4: this I think, like some of the sort of reporting
Speaker 4: on ITFC isn't hugely responsible. So like I used to
Speaker 4: signed a sole source contract with B two Technologies for example,
Speaker 4: for quote licenses for the Inmate Identification of Recognition System
Speaker 4: and the Mobile Offender Recognition Information System. They call these
Speaker 4: IRIS and Morris based on their initials. Right, these are
Speaker 4: for ers, so that's their enforcement and removal operations brands
Speaker 4: BO two pitches. IRIS is being able to identify people
Speaker 4: with no physical contact based on the tears in their IRIS.
Speaker 4: This technology has been used by police for a while,
Speaker 4: so you'll notice it was called the inmate identification So
Speaker 4: the way they would obtain these Irish scans would be
Speaker 4: scanning people who were detained. Right. CBP will also have
Speaker 4: IRIS scans, so well, uscis right. This is one of
Speaker 4: the pieces of biometric data that's sometimes collected from migrants
Speaker 4: as part of their process and moving into the United
Speaker 4: States and then getting their documents, et cetera. What Morris
Speaker 4: will do is allow them to search a registry of
Speaker 4: previous offenders. In twenty twenty four, Niagara County Sheriff's Office
Speaker 4: were the first sheriff's office to add IRIS to their vehicles.
Speaker 4: But I feel it reported as this is as a
Speaker 4: CBP officer or ice officers are going to be scanning
Speaker 4: people's irises with their phones. I don't see any evidence
Speaker 4: of that technology existing either in the contract that the
Speaker 4: government has or on the website for the company that
Speaker 4: makes it. And guessing what this will do is if
Speaker 4: they have somebody who, for instance, has previously been detained,
Speaker 4: somebody who has done time and come out, then they
Speaker 4: will use this to like as aware of identifying them
Speaker 4: right when after they've detained them before they take them
Speaker 4: to wherever. The big issue here, right, is that B
Speaker 4: two owns this database of scans. So this database includes
Speaker 4: Morris right, which is previous people who have previous offenders.
Speaker 4: They have a sex offender registry within it. They also
Speaker 4: have databases of seniors who are at risk for going
Speaker 4: missing so that I think that's people with dementia that
Speaker 4: people can voluntarily sign up to. And they have a
Speaker 4: database of missing children as well. The A two interesting company.
Speaker 4: They also they offer a bunch of services for detention companies.
Speaker 4: They previously partnered with the support Our Sheriff's Foundation to
Speaker 4: provide lower cost prescriptions to sheriffs and deputies. They're pretty
Speaker 4: embedded in this law enforcement world. Other contracts they saw
Speaker 4: for ice new tech solutions for fingerprint scanners. Again, fingerprint
Speaker 4: information is routinely taken from migrants and many one people.
Speaker 2: Getting green cards, people getting visas, people getting citizenship.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, anyone who has in any capacity and really
Speaker 4: engaged with uscis like all those categories you mentioned, Garrison
Speaker 4: will have already done this. They did also purchase gray Key,
Speaker 4: which is more concerning, which is for breaking into cell
Speaker 4: phones locked cell phones. Yes, it's for trying to get
Speaker 4: around the lock on your cell phone. I've written about
Speaker 4: GrayKey before for Input magazine Germany. The way they do
Speaker 4: this is that they try and make a copy of
Speaker 4: the cell phone and work on a copy so you
Speaker 4: don't get locked to have of your cell phone. But
Speaker 4: grey Key is an extremely nefarious piece of technology for
Speaker 4: breaking into people's phones which you otherwise wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to access. So yeah, that is what I have for
Speaker 4: ices spending spree this week.
Speaker 2: For our last story, I would like to also talk
Speaker 2: about technology, but technology in the news some AI incidents
Speaker 2: that have broken into people's news news gathering process. Former
Speaker 2: CNN anchor Chris Cuomo has shared a fake AI video
Speaker 2: of AOC giving a speech in Congress calling out the
Speaker 2: Sydney Sweety American Eagle ad as racist.
Speaker 1: Damn it, I got to see this. Why does it
Speaker 1: have to all be so stupid?
Speaker 9: I was tweeting today and saw a clip of AOC
Speaker 9: saying that Sydney sweeneyad was racist, and so I replied
Speaker 9: to it, and I said, why do you care about
Speaker 9: this and ignore what matters most? Why in all the
Speaker 9: times that you've called on Israel to stop, why have
Speaker 9: you never told Hamas to stop, told Hamas to surrender?
Speaker 9: Why would you ignore the Saint Louis attack on that
Speaker 9: Jewish guy who had his car bomb. AOC tweeted back
Speaker 9: and said, dude, that's a deep fake that Sidney sweetya ad.
Speaker 9: You suck in so many words, and she was right.
Speaker 2: They got me.
Speaker 1: She was right, I suck.
Speaker 4: He has been owned.
Speaker 1: That's not bad, that's pretty good. That's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just to cut off the clip there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the right place for it to go.
Speaker 2: On this AI video of AOC, it is clearly like
Speaker 2: like in Boston into the video himself. This isn't AI
Speaker 2: video from from chat gpt memes plus AI art on Instagram.
Speaker 4: This is this guy is being elevated as a fucking journalist.
Speaker 1: Jesus wept.
Speaker 2: He later said on on Newstation on his show They
Speaker 2: Got Me Ai. It was really good and it did
Speaker 2: seem like something she would say. I'm gonna now play
Speaker 2: video in question to see if you think this is
Speaker 2: something that AOC would say.
Speaker 13: Sidney Sweeney looks like an Aryan goddess and the American
Speaker 13: Eagle jeans campaign is nazipaganda. I mean fuck watching that
Speaker 13: sultry little temptress squeeze into a Canadian text small with
Speaker 13: her bouncy little fun bags.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's oh my god, I don't know, no more,
Speaker 5: no more episode.
Speaker 3: Oh man, what a one of our greatest journalists. You know,
Speaker 3: AI really has to be you know, we've hit AGI
Speaker 3: if it can if it can crack a mind as
Speaker 3: keen as Chris Woma.
Speaker 2: It was really good and it did seem like something
Speaker 2: she would say.
Speaker 10: Good.
Speaker 6: Don't even know her voice sounds unbelievable, unbelievable, some one
Speaker 6: of the most union things I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: I didn't watch that, and then wonder why she hasn't
Speaker 4: commented on hermas in the same breath treating indication of
Speaker 4: where our country's at.
Speaker 2: That AI video is eighty seconds long. It gets so
Speaker 2: much crazier, but we don't need to say anymore. The
Speaker 2: other incident of AI in the news, former CNN Chief
Speaker 2: Whiteous correspondent Jim Acosta interviewed in AI avatar impersonating a
Speaker 2: school shooting victim.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, goodness.
Speaker 4: It's one of those things that like every town or
Speaker 4: someone was doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, I caught this when it happened.
Speaker 2: Here's a video.
Speaker 9: I would like to know what your solution would be
Speaker 9: for gun violence.
Speaker 2: Great question. I believe in a mix of stronger gun
Speaker 2: control laws, mental health support, and community engagement.
Speaker 12: We need to create safe spaces for conversations and connections,
Speaker 12: making sure everyone feels seen and heard.
Speaker 2: It's about building a culture of kindness.
Speaker 1: And understanding.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that. I think that's a
Speaker 2: great idea, Joaquin.
Speaker 1: That's not even an answer. That's not an answer.
Speaker 2: This is one of the goodest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Create a culture of kindness and understanding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll fix it.
Speaker 2: Thanks, incredible humanity.
Speaker 4: Not a person that's someone's child.
Speaker 2: That's not someone's child, all right, Jim Acosta.
Speaker 4: Rome is just a generic well now.
Speaker 2: It's like it's it's it's not a person.
Speaker 10: This is yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they've attempted to reanimate through cringe ji someone's
Speaker 4: kid and they look like a character in It's a small.
Speaker 2: World ycause the parents are involved in this process. Jim
Speaker 2: Acosta wrote on Blue Sky at four pm, I'll have
Speaker 2: a one of a kind interview with Hakeem Oliver. He
Speaker 2: died in the Parkland school shooting, but his parents have
Speaker 2: created an AI version of their son for a powerful
Speaker 2: message on gun violence. Unquote. You did not interview Jakim Oliver.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's not him. You did not interview that person.
Speaker 1: No, you did not. You didn't interview anybody.
Speaker 2: You have helped to spread a fake puppet of someone
Speaker 2: without their knowledge and consent, just as just as gross
Speaker 2: is doing it for like movie actors right who who
Speaker 2: have died. This is and you know, more more gross
Speaker 2: actually actually like significantly more gross.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't even suggest like it it wasn't even
Speaker 3: like willing to be like ban AR fifteen's or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like there was no nothing suggested here, Like I can't
Speaker 3: believe how milk toast for a dead person who was
Speaker 3: killed by an AR fifteen. It wasn't even willing this.
Speaker 3: It was just like vaguely new gun control and also
Speaker 3: a culture of kindness. But like can't even be specific
Speaker 3: this ghoul that you've made.
Speaker 2: You're putting fake words in someone else's like death mask
Speaker 2: mouth y'. Yes, it's so it's so unethical, Like I
Speaker 2: don't even know what to say. It doesn't work at
Speaker 2: CNN anymore, but my god, like this is not journalism
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 4: No, I don't want to like punch down on the
Speaker 4: and I don't understand, like I have no parents who
Speaker 4: have lost children right through my work, I've talked to
Speaker 4: lots of them, well, and i'd like to and I
Speaker 4: understand the desire to get your kid back in some
Speaker 4: form and if sure, whoever the fuck came to them
Speaker 4: and said, we're going to make an AI of your
Speaker 4: child so it can argue with journalists about gun control.
Speaker 4: Is a fucking ghoul perival.
Speaker 2: No, the the fault here is on the people promoting technology,
Speaker 2: and in effect, that's what Jim Acosta is doing here
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally no, because a journalist is totally irresponsible.
Speaker 2: And profiting off of it. It's so gross. So anyway,
Speaker 2: that was our AI news to close the episode. Sorry,
Speaker 2: we couldn't end on the aoc ad instead had to
Speaker 2: end on a bit of a more more sour note.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I genuinely want to know where that aoc ad goes.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll send it to you, James. Yeah, okay, we
Speaker 2: reported the news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: We reported the news.
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