1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: the podcast. 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: bonus episode, a. 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: Little thing we like to call the after party. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: about incredible jazz artists. We're also talking about dumb questions 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: from smart people and al Pacino, and the greatest actors 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: from the greatest decade in filmmaking, the nineteen seventies, and 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: of course your voicemails, your texts and more, and as always, 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosy. All right, this goes, Let's 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: get into it, all right, guys, Welcome into the show 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: this week. I'm pumped to be here talking to you. 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: I'm on vacation, I'm recording in an undisclosed location on 20 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: a spooky lake up in the wilds of New England, 21 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: and I am in a basement right now, an empty 22 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: dark room looks like somewhere you would stow away a kidnapper. 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: If the recording sounds a little boomy, that is because 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm recording in this non studio environment. But I wanted 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: to get you guys this after party episode this week, 26 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: So here you go. 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: I hope you can bear with me. 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: Listen. 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: When I was in my second year of college at 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: Northeastern University, I took a class called a Survey of 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: African American Music. It was a great class, covered everything 32 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: from field houllers and slave chants from the seventeen hundreds. 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: All the way up to modern day hip hop. 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Our professor, he was a jazz guy, though I think 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: he played with Alice Coltrane at some point. I'm not sure. 36 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Even so, I didn't understand at the time how cool 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: that was. Then I now do, of course. I also 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: remember our professor was friends with Max Roach, the great 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: jazz drummer, and he even had Max come speak to 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: the class. And that type of coolness I understood immediately. 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: Professor Brown, that was our teacher. He was reasonable, he 42 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: was thoughtful, he was measured, if not a bit dramatic. 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: The first day of class, I remember he grabbed the 44 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: best looking, most athletic looking white boy in the class 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: in the classroom and made him stand up on his desk, 46 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: and then the professor proceeded to reenact in eighteenth century 47 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: slave auction, using the kid as the student as a prop. 48 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: It was heavy, and the white boy handled it well, 49 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: and I remember being impressed with both professor and the kid. 50 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: Professor Brown was. 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: A weird cat, but he had great tastes, especially in 52 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: jazz music, from Dixieland to standards, to bebop to harbop 53 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: to Afro Cuban diffusion, whatever the style. Professor Brown had 54 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: a great way of explaining the evolution of jazz from 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: genre to genre in human terms objectively. Now my tastes, 56 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: along of course with some of my classmates, expanded rapidly 57 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: because of this class, and so did my understanding of 58 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: America's first artistic contribution to the world, jazz music. I 59 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: still love jazz music, of course, and I'm still trying 60 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: to understand it. Not in technical terms, I've never cared 61 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: much for that. That's not my thing, but in human terms, 62 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: and that's what our Miles Davis and Billie Holliday and 63 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: Chet Baker and Sonny Rollins episodes are about. They're about 64 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: me trying to understand the men and the women who 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: made this incredibly unique and incredibly inspiring music. They quite 66 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: literally dedicated their lives to and for most died in 67 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: the pursuit of their creations. Was Miles Davis. The best 68 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: trumpet player to ever work in the genre. Was Billie Holiday, 69 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: the best vocalist, the best female jazz vocalist. I can 70 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: certainly make a case for both. I can't for Chet Paker, 71 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: by the way, as a trumpet player, but as a singer. 72 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: Perhaps I'm still learning about Sunny Rollins even after releasing 73 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: our episode on him. These questions of who is the best? Uh, 74 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: they're silly, but they're useful. There is, of course, no 75 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: right answer, no wrong answer, but these questions prompt discovery, 76 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: and that's what me doing this podcast is all about, 77 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: for all of us, for you and for me. 78 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: You know, be it the U. 79 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: The Johnny Cash Real we released this week on Instagram 80 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: about Johnny Cash being literally the first American to learn 81 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: of Joseph Stalin's death. That's a big revelation for a 82 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: lot of people. They didn't know that. My wife even 83 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: was like, are you sure this is true? I'm like, 84 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's true, look it up. It's it's a fact. 85 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: And that's you know, discovering these these facts, these these 86 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: uote unquote holy shit moments that happened in music history 87 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: or in the history of entertainment. It's just as much 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: discovery for me as it is for you guys. And 89 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: these questions that we ask in the after party, they're 90 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: also about discovery. 91 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: They're meant to prompt discovery. 92 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: I asked this question to you guys last week here 93 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: in the after party and on social media, of who 94 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: the greatest singer of the twenty first century is, not 95 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: because I'm interested in proving my take to be right. 96 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: I could give a shit about that Amy Winehouse. 97 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: You may recall, is my answer to that question, by 98 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: the way, and again, twenty first century, not the twentieth century. 99 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: A lot of people got that mixed up. I was 100 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: specifically talking about the last twenty four years. But I 101 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: asked these questions in part because I want to learn 102 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: more about these other artists who would not be my choice. 103 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: I'm soliciting education in a way. I want to get 104 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: you guys to teach me about the artists and the 105 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: entertainers that you love and I want to know why 106 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: you love them, because that's going to provide me with 107 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: an on ramp to get me into other. 108 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: Music, other films, etc. 109 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: So because of you, guys, I will be listening to 110 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: Pink in a Dell with fresh ears, something that wouldn't 111 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: have happened had this question not come up, and had 112 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: you guys not so passionately responded. 113 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: Now. 114 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: Back in that survey of African American music at Northeastern University, 115 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: I remember we had a big exam. It was a 116 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: midterm or a final, I can't remember which, and our 117 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: professor told us that there would be only three questions 118 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: on the exam, and I don't remember necessarily what the 119 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: first two questions were exactly, but the answers were somewhat 120 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: subjective answers where we had to demonstrate in an essay 121 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: or an essays broad understanding of the music that we 122 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: learned in the course, along with some indication of how 123 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: our tastes had evolved. The answer to the last question, however, 124 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: was also subjective, but only from the professor's point of view. 125 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: He told us that the final question on the exam 126 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: would be who is the greatest singer in the history 127 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: of music, and that there could only be one answer 128 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: to the question of who the greatest singer in the 129 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: history of music was, and that that answer was Sarah 130 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: vaugh Now. He also said that if we got cute 131 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: and we try to answer anything else, try to argue 132 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: anything else, try to argue that maybe it was another 133 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: singer like Holiday check Baker, perhaps even arguing for other 134 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: artists that we had learned about in his class, that 135 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: if we did not answer Sarah Vaughan, that if we 136 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: did not claim that Sarah Vaughn was the greatest singer 137 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: in the history of music, we would get the question 138 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: wrong and lose a third of our exams grade and 139 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: would be well on our way to failing. I remember 140 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: thinking that the question and the stubbornness around the quote 141 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: unquote answer was bold. I liked it, and I'm pretty 142 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: sure I aced that exam. But the professor was, of 143 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: course wrong. The answer is, of course Ella Fitzgerald, not 144 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: Sara Vaughn. You can fight me, Professor Brown. Just listen 145 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: to side one of Ella singing the Coleporter Songbook and 146 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: then come talk to me about Saravonn. All right, I'll 147 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 1: due respect, but the bummer of that class and that exam, 148 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: and that weird question is that for as much as 149 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: we covered in that class, I don't really remember covering 150 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: Sara Vaughn. I don't really recall being taught any examples 151 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: of Sara Vaughn's greatness of what songs I should listen 152 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: to to consider her greatness of what albums I should 153 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: listen to. The question, as bold as it was and 154 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: the silly forest answer, didn't prompt any evolution in taste, 155 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: and that is what I'm hoping to accomplish with the 156 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: questions that we ask and discuss in and around these 157 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: bonus episodes. So to the question of who the greatest 158 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: singer of the twenty first century is, like I said, 159 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: my answer was Amy Winehouise. And if you want my reasoning, 160 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: if you want to start somewhere to discover Amy's greatness, 161 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: then look no further than her second LP, Back to Black. 162 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: There literally isn't a bad song on it. And in 163 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: the meantime, checking out some of the recommendations from you 164 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: guys on who you believe the greatest singer of the 165 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: twenty first century is. Also later in this episode, I'm 166 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: going to have some specific follow ups to your answers, 167 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: but for now I have another question. Next week's full 168 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: episode of dis Graceland is on al Pacino, and the 169 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: story is about how al nearly derailed his incredible, one 170 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: of a kind acting career before it even really got started. 171 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: So coming into this episode, as I was organizing my thoughts, 172 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: I was thinking that I could ask something cheeky about 173 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: like what al Pacino movie could you absolutely not live without? 174 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: But I don't like that questions. It's hard to even 175 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: form the question, so that's probably an indication that it's 176 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: not a good question. I want to get more basic here, 177 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: because basically, you can argue that al Pacino is the 178 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: greatest actor from the greatest decade in filmmaking, the nineteen seventies. 179 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: Now least, if you were to survey my movie watching 180 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: history over the course of my life, I think that 181 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: al Pacino movies from the nineteen seventies, The Godfather, one 182 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: and two, Serproco, Dog Day Afternoon, these films are among 183 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: my most watched, most loved movies. But I want to 184 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: look at seventies movies through your eyes, so I want 185 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: to know who do you think is the greatest actor 186 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: or actress from that decade? From the nineteen seventies and 187 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: very important. Please tell me which films of theirs that 188 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: I need to watch, even if it's super obvious and 189 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: you're going to be like, oh, well, he's definitely seen 190 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: The Sting, you know, with Robert Redford and Paul Newman, 191 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: which I have. But if you write me this impassioned 192 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: answer or leave me a voicemail about why The Sting 193 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: puts Paul Newman over the top when considering the best 194 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: actors of the nineteen seventies, I'm not going to watch 195 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: The Sting with a little bit of your point of view, 196 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm looking for, Okay. Which films make 197 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: you believe that your actor or actress is better than 198 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: al Pacino in the nineteen seventies, or at least which 199 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: seventies films your favorite seventies actors keep driving you back 200 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: to watch over and over again. Who are those actors 201 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: who are the best? Who is the best? Who is 202 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: the single best representation of the greatest acting, the most 203 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: compelling acting in the decade of the nineteen seventies. Is 204 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: it Robert de Niro? Is it Meryl Streep? Is it 205 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: Shelley Devall? Is it Robert Redford, Dustin Hoffman, Fade Dunaway, 206 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: Paul Newman. Which actor or actress owned the seventies for 207 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: you let me know six one seven nine oh six 208 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: six six three eight. You can leave me a voicemail 209 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: with your answer, or you can send me a text 210 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: with your answer. You can hit me up at the 211 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: scracelam pod on Instagram, x, Facebook and TikTok. 212 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to take a quick break and. 213 00:11:42,920 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 4: I'll be back in a flash. 214 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: All right, we are back. I want to dive right 215 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: into your voicemails here. This is Lauren from the two 216 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: o eight on the subject of the greatest female singers 217 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: of the twenty first century. 218 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 5: Hey, Jake, this is Lauren from the two eight. I 219 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 5: think we're missing Laurence Welch and the greatest female singers 220 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 5: from the twenty first century. Listening to her is an 221 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 5: absolute spiritual experience, something I really didn't feel since my 222 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 5: teen years listening to Tori Amos. She's just incredible, so 223 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 5: I think she definitely needs to be added to that list. 224 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 3: Love what you do. 225 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 5: Keep up the good work. 226 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: Thanks bye, Lauren, Thanks for the call. 227 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: Florence Welch is admittedly someone that I don't know that 228 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: much about, but someone that I am excited to get into. 229 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: I don't know much about about Florence, but everything I've 230 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: heard from her just in passing has kind of stopped 231 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: me and been like, oh, I gotta know more about 232 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: this artist. 233 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for the prompt. I appreciate it. 234 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: Uh the five o five on the Jackson's let's hear, 235 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: Let's hear from the five oh five? 236 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 3: Hey, Jake, Nile Style and Santa Fe. You know when 237 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: one time, a long time ago, you mentioned that you 238 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: had something that was going to take a whole lot 239 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: more than one episode, it was going to take a 240 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: whole series, and I thought, Okay, he's finally gonna do 241 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: the Jackson family, including the father, I think, but I 242 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: think it ended up being Wu tang. If you don't 243 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: talk about Michael much, mar Janet or their dad or 244 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 3: any of the other kids. But there's stuff there. We 245 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: know there's stuff there. Anyway, loving what you do, you 246 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 3: have a good, beautiful, beautiful day. 247 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing. There's there's not a reason really 248 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: that I have not covered Michael Jackson except actually that's 249 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: not true. There is a reason I do so much there, 250 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: and I honestly cannot pick a lane A lane, excuse me, 251 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: A pointed, A pointed. I have a point of view, 252 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: but it's changed dramatically from time to time. 253 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: And I and maybe. 254 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: Perhaps if I'm being totally honest, if I'm speaking honestly, 255 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit intimidated on the subject of Michael Jackson. 256 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: I think that, uh, I have many conflicting thoughts on 257 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: Michael in the in the supposed transgressions that surround him. 258 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: And I've read a lot, I've watched a lot, and 259 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: I've heard a lot even secondhand. I was excuse me, 260 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: firsthand from folks, and it's I It's. 261 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: Just it's just a lot. 262 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: And I feel like it's the type of subject that 263 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: could swallow me up for an entire you know, three 264 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: months trying to figure out the research for. And that's 265 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: happened to me before. And it's not fun. That happened 266 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: to be two summers ago. It's Serge Gainsburg. I researched 267 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: and outlined an entire season on Surge Gainsbury that we 268 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: were going to produce in voice, and a French actor 269 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: was going to voice. We're going to release it in France. 270 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: And I spent all this time on this one artist, 271 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: and it ate me up. Needless to say that this 272 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: series never came out. We ended up doing a single 273 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: episode on Surge, and my point of view on him 274 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: was completely screwed up from the just the weight of 275 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: that subject matter. 276 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: Five oh five. 277 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: You know you're talking specifically about doing a longer series 278 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: on the whole family, and yeah, that could be interesting, 279 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: but I just feel like there's there's so much to 280 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: bite off with Michael alone that it would be weird 281 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: for weird to dedicate time to to his brothers and 282 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: sisters and even his dad. 283 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: And I know what his dad. I know, I know 284 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: the stories about his dad. 285 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: But with Janet, I'm curious what you're talking about other 286 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: than the nip slip from the super Bowl. I don't 287 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: really know what, if any transgressions are there regarding Janet Jackson. 288 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: Of course, now people are going to bombard. 289 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: Me because uh and uh just fill my inbox with 290 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: uh shit that Janet Jackson has pulled off in her 291 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: career and I'm here for it. So let me know 292 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: and anyone else if you have any interesting takes on 293 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: how to cover the Jackson Excuse me, how to cover 294 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson I'm here for that as well. 295 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: Five six to two. Let's hear from five six to 296 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: two and some suggestions. 297 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 6: Hey, Jake, then way again stories. Dude, would love to 298 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 6: hear something on Jenny Rivera. You know, she has an 299 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 6: interesting life. A lot of people don't know. 300 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 7: That she even did journalism as well as a singer 301 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 7: and all the other stuff. So if you could cover that, 302 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 7: that would be really great. Also, Teddy pandographs definitely think 303 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 7: would that be an interesting story. We'd love to hear 304 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 7: something about Teddy. If you've veray done something, you know, 305 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 7: I'll listen if you say that, and I'll look forward. Otherwise, Hey, 306 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 7: you have a great day and look forward to Morma. 307 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: I've literally never heard of Jenny Rivera, so listen five 308 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: to six to two. I want you to get back 309 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: in touch, and I want you to give me one 310 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: song to listen to. 311 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: Teddy Pedagrass. 312 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: For sure, there is an episode there, and I'm interested 313 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: in learning more about Teddy. From the little that I 314 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: do know, I know that we can get an episode 315 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: out of that subject, and I'm excited to perhaps try 316 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: to figure that out. All right, guys, six one seven 317 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight, be like the 318 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: two O eight, the five oh five and the five 319 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: six two, and hit me up with your voicemails. Can 320 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: hit me up on anything, can hit me up on 321 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: the question of the week. We're talking about who the 322 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: greatest actor is of the nineteen seventies. We want to 323 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: narrow this down to one. Okay, all right, let's let's 324 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: do some dms. Okay, JQ dms us on Instagram. That's 325 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: at disgrace lampod. He says, I agree that Amy Winehouse 326 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: is the best female artist of the twenty first century. 327 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: So I would like to give an. 328 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: Honorable mention to Amelda May from her amazing psyclebilly sound 329 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: to the soul breaking black tears, she deserves some of 330 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: your audience's love and appreciation. Ammel de May, you say, JQ, 331 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: thanks for the DM. Never heard of her, and I'm 332 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: gonna use I picked your message because the psycle billy 333 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: genre is one that I am woefully ignorant of, and 334 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: I don't I can't even I mean, I'm up on 335 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: garage music. It's just psycobility. There's a you know, rockabilly. 336 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: I'm up on rockabilly. I just psyclability. It's kind of 337 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: a void. So hit me up with some recommendations. You 338 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: can start with hitting me up with some Amelda May 339 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: When you say soul breaking black tears, is that a 340 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: song I want to know? JQ, get back at us 341 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: and let me know. Quincy R Tuggle dms us on 342 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: Instagram just sends a video of a female singer named 343 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: Jasmine Sullivan singing her ass off and I've never heard 344 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: this artist before. Guys, I need more. This is the 345 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: point I was making in the earlier block. Quincy, get 346 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: back to me. Let me know where to start. What 347 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: album do I start with of Jasmine's or what other 348 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: song besides this live. 349 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: Clip that you sent me. Jesse rock Mott. 350 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: I think I'm saying that correctly. Are a C h 351 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: M A T dms is on Instagram. Adele Adele is 352 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: just on a different level. I've never been as emotional 353 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: as I have been with her songs. They are gut wrenching, 354 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: all right, Jesse, give me the songs. Give me the 355 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: one Adele song that you cannot live without. If you're 356 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: going to play one Adele song for one person, that 357 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: person being me, which Adele song isn't even if it 358 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: is the most obvious her biggest single, whatever it is, 359 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: Rolling in the Deep whatever, I want to listen to 360 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: it through your ears now, Okay, hit me up, Mark 361 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: our yazigear. I believe I'm saying that, pronouncing that correctly. 362 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: Mark tags us on X and says, today I learned 363 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: that Johnny ca, as an Air Force wireless operator, may 364 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: have been the first American to learn of Joseph Stalin's 365 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: death via Disgrace slam pod. 366 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: You are a correct Mark. That is something that I've learned. 367 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: I learned a couple years ago when I was researching 368 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: the Johnny Cash episode of Disgraceland, which lives on in 369 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: our archive, which I encourage you Mark to check out. 370 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: Keeley Diggelman on Facebook rights Hey Jake, I usually don't respond, 371 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: as I always think, with Facebook being the least used 372 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: social it'll probably get to you too late. Anyway, just 373 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: wanted to weigh in on best female singers. I love 374 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: music because it makes me feel things, and these women 375 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: really hit me in the soul and give me shivers. Obviously, 376 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: Amy Winehouse lovedsince the moment I heard her. 377 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: But here's the others. 378 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: Florence Welch from Florence and the machine, any album, any song. 379 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: I can listen to her all day. Favorite song is 380 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: dog Days Are Over. Number two Amy Lee from emin Essence, 381 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: Beautiful Talented Artists. Three and four Sia and Kate Miller 382 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: Heikey both amazing artists. Number five Billie Eilish. The amount 383 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: she has grown since starting is wonderful. She is highly talented, 384 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: from the way she puts her songs together to how 385 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: she wants her music videos produced. The documentary on her 386 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: is great. A few of her songs bring so much 387 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: emotion out in me that I find tears welling up. 388 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: This is fantastic. This is a great message. I appreciate Achille. 389 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna dig into these recommendations. Guys, hit me up 390 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: at Disgrace lampod. You can hit me up on the 391 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: questions of the week that we're asking, even if they're old. 392 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: You're still giving me fodder to reevaluate my listening taste 393 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: with and I appreciate that. But also, we got this 394 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: question of the week that we're going to be discussing 395 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: in next week's after party, and that question, of course, 396 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: is who is the greatest actor from the greatest decade 397 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: in filmmaking, the nineteen seventies. Let us know now, we 398 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: dropped some new merch couple about a month ago. We 399 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: did the Disgraceland just straight up white logo on a 400 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: black T shirt, and we did the Rock and Roller 401 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: T shirts. We're gonna just I'm gonna do my best 402 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: to just keep these stocked. These are like basic merch 403 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: items there there, they're in the merch store for you. 404 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: We got some pins as well. Grab those. One of 405 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: the things we're going to start doing asap right now. 406 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,239 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, we're in it. We're doing it, 407 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: We're making it happen. I can't believe we haven't figured 408 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: this out before. And all props to Disgrace Lands executive 409 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: producer extraordinaire Matt Boden for being like, Yo, motherfucker, why 410 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: aren't we doing this? 411 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 2: We have all this. 412 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: Incredible episode art for every episode of Disgrace Lam over 413 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy episodes, there's one hundred and seventy 414 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: pieces of art or something like that, and from Avispibick, 415 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: who's fantastic. So we've been laboring for the last couple 416 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: of months to just use this art to create different 417 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: merch specific to the episode. So if you love the 418 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, Amy Winehouse episode of Disgrace, Sandy, you 419 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: can get that art specifically on a T shirt. If 420 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: you love the Johnny Cash episode of Disgrace, and you 421 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: can get that episode art, that great Johnny Cash illustration 422 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: that AVI created on a T shirt. We're going to 423 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: be rolling out in the next few seconds, Okay, keep 424 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: keep an eye on our socials for that. That'll be 425 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: out shortly, and I'm gonna start doing my best to 426 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: be engaged with the merch side of things, just like 427 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't the beginning of Disgrace Sland, and we did 428 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: this thing way back in the day where we would 429 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: it was it was a cool way for me to 430 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: engage directly with you guys. 431 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: You guys would leave reviews on. 432 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, and I'd pick a reviewer every every month 433 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: or sorry, every week. You also leave, you know, shout 434 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: us out on social media and tag us at Disgrace 435 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: lampod about an episode that we were into, and then 436 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: I'd send you some free merch as a thank you. 437 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: I now, listen, this isn't for everybody. This is just 438 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: you know, I pick pick a couple listeners every week 439 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: and pick you out of a hat, and it's like, yo, hey, 440 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: just a little thank you, I'm gonna send you something cool. 441 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: So that's what we're gonna keep doing here. We're gonna 442 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: continue doing that. We're gonna do it with more regularity. 443 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: And when I come back after the break, I'm going 444 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: to talk about a couple of you listeners who have 445 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: recently reviewed the show. And if you hear your name, 446 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna get in touch and I'm gonna send you 447 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: some merch. 448 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 8: All right, back in a flash. 449 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: Okay, we are back, and as promised, some reviews here. 450 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: On Apple, podcast listener Andy Girl That's three L's writes, 451 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: I love, love love this podcast. Familiar, fascinating stories told 452 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: with insight and details I've not heard anywhere else. 453 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: I'm addicted. 454 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: So listen, Andy Girl, thank you first and foremost, get 455 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: in touch, and we've got some merch that we want 456 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: to send you. 457 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: Okay. 458 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: Sunbury also writes on Apple madly entertaining Jake is a 459 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: wonderful storyteller. 460 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. 461 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: Sunburry goes on to say, I've learned so much about 462 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: artists and actors that I thought I knew. This is 463 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: my go to podcasts to work out to or to 464 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: go walking to buy far Sunbury. If you hear your name, 465 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: and I hope you do. I hope you're on your 466 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: walk right now. You're hearing your name and you're getting pumped. 467 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: Get in touch. Hit us up at Disgrace lamp Pod, 468 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: Disgrace lamppod at gmail dot com. Same for you, Andy girl, 469 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: Get in touch and we've got some merche for you. 470 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not gonna sit here. 471 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: And read a bunch of reviews to you guys about 472 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: the show more than what I've just done, trying to, 473 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: you know, be a little humble here. But one of 474 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: the things that I've come across in these reviews over 475 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 1: and over again, and it really warms my heart is 476 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: the mention of point. 477 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: Of view and how we have our own point of 478 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: view and listen. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. 479 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes you're gonna agree with my point of view into storytelling, 480 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: and sometimes you're not going to agree with it. But 481 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: it is compelling one way or another. And I have 482 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: found this thing to this recent phenomenon in content creation 483 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: that is happening, and it is widespread, and it is 484 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: this There is a style of storytelling that is everywhere 485 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: on Instagram, on TikTok, on especially on YouTube, that is 486 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: completely devoid of point of view. It is the opposite 487 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: of what we do, and it is massive. And I 488 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: actually saw a content creator I won't name them, have 489 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: pretty much have a the equivalent of it was nearly 490 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: a nervous breakdown in public over the comments and reviews 491 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: that he was receiving based on his opinions in his 492 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: point of view. And I'm not making fun of this person. 493 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: In fact, I have a lot of empathy for this person. 494 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: I felt really bad for this person. The person has 495 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: a ton of followers too, and this is their livelihood 496 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: like it is mine. 497 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: And basically their solution was to a b and in point. 498 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: Of view and to just present facts as they are, 499 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: just present the story as it is. And that's certainly 500 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: a choice, and that is a choice that I'm not 501 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: going to knock anyone for taking. It's not the choice 502 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: I would make because it's not interesting to me. It's 503 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: not interesting for me to create, it's not interesting for 504 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: me to consume. All great storytelling, in my opinion, comes 505 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: from incredible point of view, and that goes from anything 506 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: from a sixty second reel on Instagram from a content 507 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: creator that you've never heard of. To Martin Scorsese's Last 508 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: Temptation of Christ. Okay, it's just point of view is 509 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: what is going to make the storytelling. But we live 510 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: in a world now where algorithms drive distribution, they drive discovery, 511 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: they drive people hearing and learning about the content that 512 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: you are creating. So if you are, let's say, sitting 513 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: on a fence as a content creator, if you are, 514 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: if you're just like, here are the facts, this is 515 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: the thing that happened. These are the facts that we know, 516 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 1: and you walk away from it, leave everything on the table. 517 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: There is a massive audience that is going to gravitate 518 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: towards you. There is a massive audience that is going 519 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: to accept what you're giving them, take it, digest it, 520 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: and move on. And that's fine. But again that is 521 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: not interesting to me. Okay, And like I said, the 522 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 1: algorithms reward that type of content creation because it is 523 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: safe and because it is. 524 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: Going to appeal to more people. Therefore they will promote 525 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: it more. 526 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: Now, the only way that point of view storytelling survives 527 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: on these algorithms is because of you guys, Because you 528 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: guys share it, because you guys go Yo, this might 529 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: not be for everybody, but I fucking love it. And 530 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to screenshot this podcast and I'm going to 531 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: put it in my story on Instagram. Or Yo, I'm 532 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: going to sit at the bar on Saturday night next 533 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: to my drunk uncle who thinks he knows everything about 534 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: fucking music, and I'm going to school him on some 535 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: shit because he has no idea what I just learned. 536 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: About in Disgraceland. Or hey, I just I'm going for 537 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: a walk with my wife. 538 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: I want to talk about something interesting that I just 539 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: found out about, and you talk about what we're creating 540 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 1: here because the point of view compels you. 541 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: It's not just here's the facts, ma'am. You know what 542 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 543 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: Anyways, all I'm saying, I guess is I'm going to 544 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: keep doing what I'm doing, but I need you guys 545 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: to keep doing it. And I appreciate all of the love, 546 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: all of the organic promotion that you guys do for 547 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: this show. It means everything to us. Okay, thank you, 548 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. So on point of view and storytelling. 549 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a quick break and then when 550 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: I come back and we get into the all access portion, 551 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: of the show. I'm going to talk about the book 552 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: that I'm reading right now, which is The Exorcist. Reading 553 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: that because, like I said, I'm staying on a spooky lake, 554 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: but we have an Exorcist episode that's coming out in October. 555 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about that storytelling because it's fucking great. 556 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: If you guys want in on the all access version 557 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: of this episode, you want to hear the extended version 558 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: of the after Party, where we get into more We 559 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: also get into more of your text and voicemails, and again, 560 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: like I said, dive deeper into these stories. Just you know, 561 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: all access membership it's not only going to get you that, 562 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: but it's also going to add free listening and an 563 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: extra full episode per month. It's easy to sign up, 564 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: it's not expensive. It's five dollars a month. We greatly 565 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: appreciate it. You can sign up at disgrace lampod dot 566 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: com slash membership. 567 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. I'm about to get out of here. 568 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: But before I do, before next week's Al Pacino episode, 569 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: get pumped. Okay, go watch The Godfather one and two. Okay, 570 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: watch Cirproco, Watch Dog Day Afternoon, watch. 571 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: Heat How good is Heat. 572 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: By the way, we don't talk about Heat enough as 573 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: a society, and we do, you and I, but I 574 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: just feel like it doesn't get mentioned as the great movie. 575 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: It's not up there on the Mount Rushmore. 576 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: It should be. 577 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: Who's read the new Heat book? I heard it's amazing. 578 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: I have not read it. I'll probably move on to 579 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: that after I finished this Exorcist. Okay, so yeah, if 580 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: you've read it, let me know, get in touch. In 581 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: the meantime, let's recap Shallow number one. There's more after 582 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: party to listen to right now. All you got to 583 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: do is go to the show notes and click the 584 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: link to become a member. Number two right now in 585 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: your feed. Last week's brand new episode on Donnie Hathaway 586 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: number three coming tomorrow, a special rewind episode from our archive. 587 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: We're talking to al Pacino, like I said, next week, 588 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: and I'm already in a heavy, heavy seventies state of 589 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: mind over And if you want more of that seventies vibe, 590 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: more of that seventies New York vibe, we got you 591 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: covered in the archive and the disgrace Land archive with 592 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: the episodes on Blondie Mones, New York Dolls. Recent episode 593 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: on Talking Heads, of course, which we were just talking about. 594 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: Get into him this weekend. 595 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: Get hyped for the prints of the seventies al Pacino. 596 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: Number four. 597 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: I want to know is al Pacino the greatest actor 598 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: of the nineteen seventies. Let me know who you think 599 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: is six one seven nine oh six six six three eight, 600 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: Call me on the telephone, leave mea voicemail, or text me. 601 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 2: Hit me up at Disgrace Lampod on the Socials. Number five. 602 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 2: Remember no one cares about great storytelling more than you do. 603 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: And well that's just a disgrace, all right. 604 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: In honor of al Pacino's first Oscar win for Best 605 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: Supporting Actor in The Godfather. Going back to March twenty seventh, 606 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, I give to you the Billboard charts. 607 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: From that week. 608 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: Number one, Love Train the OJS last week three, peak 609 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: position one weeks on chart ten. Number two Killing Me 610 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: Softly with his song ROBERTA. Flack last week one, peak 611 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: position one weeks. 612 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: On chart number three. 613 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: Also sprat Zarathustra two thousand and one, Theodado last week four, 614 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: peak position three weeks on Charine last number three, number four. 615 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: Neither one of us Gladys Knight and The Pins. 616 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: Theode last last. 617 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: Week killing Me Speak position with his four weeks on chart, 618 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: weeks on the last ten number five peak position song 619 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: one at either mad on chart, last week's Night five 620 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: number three position, three weeks on shows number 621 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 2: Six, Quit talking and start mixing could