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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is known. They called me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: with our super producer, Paul the Condecant. But most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Let's start off

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Speaker 1: on a high note today. Sure, let's do ray me

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Speaker 1: fossil Latti, do our way to to death. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: h let's do that. So death, as it's often said,

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Speaker 1: Eddie right. No matter how different you are, how wealthy, poor, respected,

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Speaker 1: consciousnesses that may be listening to this in the future,

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Speaker 1: is that we remember and venerate our dead, our loved ones,

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Speaker 1: or even our hated ones who have passed. Civilizations of

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Speaker 1: their respective versions of the afterlife, and then created practices

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Speaker 1: get burned, which is an ancient practice of burning about it,

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Speaker 1: not available, so you can't ever watch it ever. No, never,

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Speaker 1: legality of burial here in the US. But while the

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Speaker 1: specific funeral rites and rituals of some civilizations may be

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Speaker 1: lost to time, we do have something equally amazing, some

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Speaker 1: people would say even more amazing, and that is physical

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Speaker 1: historical evidence of ancient people and their heroes, many of

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Speaker 1: whom are called villains. Today we are talking about tombs,

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Speaker 1: like a mausoleum. That's where that name cameogy. Yeah. Pretty interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it sounds morbid sure for us to to open

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Speaker 1: Kind of there was one factor that was bloody and

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Speaker 1: it was not human. Humans just helped it along. At

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Speaker 1: the same time these empires begin to fall and assimilate,

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Speaker 1: the Black Plague strikes. It destabilizes the world. Trade networks

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Speaker 1: that were already suffering are falling into mass of disrepair

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Speaker 1: as everybody's trying to figure out why everyone around them

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Speaker 1: is dying. About of China's population falls to the plague,

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Speaker 1: as well as anywhere from five to fifty percent of

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Speaker 1: the population in Europe. So yeah, it's a it's it's

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Speaker 1: a grizzly rise a grizzly fall. But regardless of whether

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Speaker 1: you think he's one of the world's best military commanders,

437
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: a global hero, or an infamous villain, when thing's for

438
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: sure Jengis Khan changed history. So what happened to him? Well,

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00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: that's the thing nobody really knows, except for those people

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00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: that got, according to legend, assassinated immediately after they buried him.

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00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: It's so hardcore. So even today, right now, the search

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00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: continues officially outside of you know, maybe the secret keepers.

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00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: Maybe there is a group of small group of secret keepers,

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Speaker 1: and we'll learn about that right after a quick word

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. According to

446
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Speaker 1: oral folklore and legend, the Empire went to great links

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Speaker 1: to erase the location and the cons tomb from the world.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, the funeral escort killed people they countered

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Speaker 1: on the way to and from the site, which is

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Speaker 1: a little complicated because the people who knew the way

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00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: there got killed when they were there. And then the

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00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: other people who killed the slaves and the soldiers who

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Speaker 1: killed the slaves. Uh, they probably never saw the two,

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Speaker 1: at least according to the story. So again, well, well,

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00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: well before this in b C, we had Greek cultures

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Speaker 1: that were venerating their dead with these ostentatious monuments that

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00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: were there for everyone to worship and see. Totally different

458
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: style of burial here, they're killing their countrymen to keep

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Speaker 1: them from spreading the word of where this leader would

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Speaker 1: have been buried, and for what reason. We'll we'll get

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Speaker 1: to that. Yeah. Then for another cultural reference, killing people

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Speaker 1: who construct a tomb of a leader is unfortunately not uncommon.

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Speaker 1: There have been other cases in ancient cultures where slaves

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Speaker 1: were killed not to keep a secret, but as a

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Speaker 1: sacrifice to serve the leader in the afterlife. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna ask, do you think they were like surprised or

467
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Speaker 1: are they going into this knowing they probably weren't going

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Speaker 1: to come back? That part has lost to history and

469
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: stuff too. It's you know, it's easy for us to say, well,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that if I knew what was going

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Speaker 1: to happen, you know, with the benefit of looking back

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Speaker 1: from But the fact of the matter is we don't

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Speaker 1: have documentation that tells us anything about the understanding or

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Speaker 1: the motivation of the slaves or the soldiers, because there's

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Speaker 1: very little documentation about Cohn at all. Right, there's the

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Speaker 1: Secret History of the Mongols, which is often considered not

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent accurate, and it leaves a lot of

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Speaker 1: things out. But it's you know, you've this far back

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Speaker 1: in history. There's a constant search for sources, right, you

480
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: gotta put it together based on artifacts and just kind

481
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: of like finding stuff and putting the pieces together and

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00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: saying this is probably how it went down. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: based on what the people who, what kind of frame

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Speaker 1: of reference or cultural perspective the earlier investigators were coming from, Like,

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Speaker 1: we're still we got to be clear. This stuff we're

486
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Speaker 1: talking about here is the realm of legend. The tomb

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00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: was allegedly hidden, and folklore gives us conflicting methods of camouflage,

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Speaker 1: and one story, an entire river was diverted over the

489
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Speaker 1: CON's grave so that no one could find it. Ever,

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Speaker 1: in another version, they had horses trample across the ground

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Speaker 1: and then they planted trees on the site so that

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Speaker 1: you couldn't find any clear traces of somebody digging. And

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Speaker 1: then another story says that perma frost itself erased all

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Speaker 1: traces of the site. Uh, there's another guy. In sixteen

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Speaker 1: sixty two, a work called the Ordini top Chi that

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Speaker 1: argues Genghis Khan's coffin was empty when it arrived to Mongolia.

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Speaker 1: It's very it's a it's a conspiracy theory that has

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Speaker 1: echoes in the mom earn day. Uh. And then there's

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Speaker 1: another Atland that from six o four that says only

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Speaker 1: Genghis Khan's shirt tent and his boots were buried. Shirt

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Speaker 1: shoes tent no service in the afterlife. Yeah, but essentially

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Speaker 1: after he died, people began searching for this too. One

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Speaker 1: legend said that was found as soon as thirty years later.

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Speaker 1: This is the weirdest one I found was that was

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Speaker 1: found thirty years later because a camel was buried with

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Speaker 1: the con a young camel, and that the camel's mother

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Speaker 1: found the grave and started weeping over the death of

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Speaker 1: its child. It sounds like a fairy tale. It sounds

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Speaker 1: very Pixar Andy Disney movie esque. Probably not true, but

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Speaker 1: it is possible that the burial site was somewhere around

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Speaker 1: wild camel routes, and then the tears seeped into the

512
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Speaker 1: soil and the camel was resurrected by the power of love.

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Speaker 1: As long as that wilder and watching nearby clap their hands.

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00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: That's probably not true, but uh, we do have some

515
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: prove that it's not true. Prove that I'm saying the

516
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: camel thing is so real. Yeah, I hope it is, man,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're right. I hope it is. I would

518
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Speaker 1: love to hang out so deep in Disney movies. Now,

519
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: that's gotta be real. What are the good Disney movies? Coco?

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00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: Coco is pretty good, which one my son calls it

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00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: The Boy with the Bones. Yeah, oh I remember that. Yeah,

522
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: it's a solid What do you see? Incredibles too? Yet,

523
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: there's a short before it that will gut you, my friend.

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00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: It's called Bow. It's about a dumpling. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful,

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00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. So the thing about Disney films and Pixar

526
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: films as well, is that, oh, I just realized, pretty

527
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: soon every film is going to be a Disney film.

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00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: They're buying, they're buying it all. They might buy us

529
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: they already please buy us Disney, please, but I will.

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00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: I will not say no to tickets or a mascot costume,

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00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But the the thing about these films,

532
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: these Disney films, is that they are proven historical resources.

533
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: We can look at them, we can see what happened

534
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: in them. It's not just oral folklore. And we have

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Speaker 1: some documentation from this time. Oddly enough, via Marco Polo.

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00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: He wrote about his travels, and he wrote about what

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00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: he saw as the attitudes of Mongolian people themselves, uh

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Speaker 1: and the speculation over the side of the grave. According

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00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: to him, people Mongolia did not know where the tomb

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00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: was as early as the late thirteenth centuries, so even

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Speaker 1: just a few decades after the death, they were saying,

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00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: which we don't know where he is. And he was like, Marco, oh,

543
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: we are po lowering the bar on the puns today.

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Speaker 1: Marco did have a guest, though, and in the Travels

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Speaker 1: of Marco Polo, he writes that it has been an

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Speaker 1: invariable custom that all the grand cons and chiefs of

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00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: the race of jenis Con should be carried for an

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00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: internment to a certain lofty mountain named Alte and in

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00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: whatever place they may happen to die, although it should

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00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: be at the distance of a hundred days journey, they

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00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: are nevertheless conveyed thither. Oh, Marco Polo, what a And

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00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: I do believe the illustrious Cohn may have dad from

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00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: an arrow to the knee. That's right, I like the

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00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: jewel at this guy sip. You know, also, Matt, that

555
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: that accident totally I mean convinced you're about to go. Yeah,

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00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: I only do one voice, so it's great. But the

557
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: precision Matt it's doing it drips like butter. It's the

558
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: true voice of history, Matt Julip Frederick taking a big

559
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: old journey across Mongolian understand over the mountain all time.

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00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: Oh man, I want to make a video game and

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00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: just have you narrate all the characters. I'm down with that. Hey,

562
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: developers out there, please let me vote your game and battle.

563
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Ben'll do it, and Nol do it, and Paul do it. No,

564
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: it'll just be you, and it'll just be a game

565
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: full of old men sauntering around the Mongolian waste, including

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Speaker 1: the love interests. Yes, it it'll be the West World game.

567
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: And I'll just play the old guy. Okay, okay, Now

568
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: everybody knows there's an old person in a TV show.

569
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: Just let me play Delos's grandfather who now, uh yeah,

570
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: but people are probably programmed where they haven't gotten to

571
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: the level of consciousness that they can't hear that spoiler.

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00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: You guys are killing me. So in seven, rumors surfaced

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Speaker 1: that the Soviet government had found and stolen a banner

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00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: from this Buddhist monastery this remote Buddhist monastery, and the

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00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: banner had clues leading you to the grave site. Nothing

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00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: came of that. Who let those guys have that? No

577
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: one they took it. They probably started the rumor themselves.

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00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: They're a little braggadocious over there in the Soviet Union.

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00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be honest, it might be seven when

580
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: we did the Great Game podcast about Shambalah. This is

581
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: probably associated with that. The searches continued and they had

582
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: that same pattern that we see in so many of

583
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: these sorts of investigations, are all these tantalizing clues. Somebody

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00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: finds a button, they find a gold coin, they find

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00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: like an ancient bow, but they find no concrete proof

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00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: leading to the grave. There's a very sad story here.

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00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: An amateur archaeologist named Maury Kravitz dedicated decades of his

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00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: life to searching for this tomb, and he was basing

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00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: a lot of his research and his excavations, which were

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00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: quite expensive, on the writings of a fifteenth century French jesuit.

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00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: He was convinced, based on this guy's records, that the

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Speaker 1: site would be near the cons quote favorite place, the

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Speaker 1: Confluence Ceo in f l U E n c E

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Speaker 1: of the Curlin and quote Bruccie rivers with a place

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00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: named Burkon called Doon over his right shoulder. Kravitz couldn't

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00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: find a river named Brucie, which most people would think

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00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: to mean that he's just confused the name or that

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00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. Bruccie man. And isn't the Caldoon the

599
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: the the Birken Caldoon the mountain in question right from

600
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: reaching his hands up to the sky god, so everybody

601
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: believes that's got to be somehow related to this mountain.

602
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: But he did find something called a toponym, uh Barroon

603
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: Brooch or West Brooch. And a toponym is a place

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00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: name that is derived from a topographical feature that it's

605
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: really cool, and that's a new one for me. It's

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00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: t O P O N Y M and go yeah uh.

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00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: And this area was about a hundred kilometers east of

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Speaker 1: Birkelan called dunes. Not that far. Cravitz died without ever

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00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: finishing or failing. His search for the two makes you

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00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: never quit, but yeah, yeah, exactly, And it makes you

611
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: think about all those people who have spent their life

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00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: looking for something like the Holy Grail, like putting all

613
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: of their life's work into something like that, or what

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00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: what are what are some of these other legendary things? Yeah,

615
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: things that don't want to be found. But thankfully, Morey's

616
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: young grandson, Lenny went on to become an incredible rock star,

617
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: a rock Yeah, sports leather pants like no one's ever

618
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: done in the history of had wonderful children, And if

619
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: you listen to most of his albums, you'll see that

620
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: the lyrics are are actually about the search for the

621
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: tomb of Genghis the whole thing that you're gonna go

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00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: my way, that's about Genghis Khan. None of this is true.

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00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: This is true. The one fault is he wrote it

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00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: about Genghis Khan rather than Jengis Khan. And that's what's

625
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: kind of failed pronunciations. It's better when we catch ourselves though,

626
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: Isn't it agreed? This is lean into it. There are

627
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: other possible locations. Marco Polo has that admittedly vague but

628
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: amazingly performed by Matt mentioned of Altai. Other theories include

629
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Speaker 1: something from Luan dynasty, which the one dynasty is mongoled sended.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking earlier about ruling populations that were

631
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Speaker 1: thought to have assimilated to egregiously these This is one example.

632
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: In the Yuan dynasty, believe that all Mongol Kans were

633
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Speaker 1: buried in the area of Genghis Khan's tomb, a site

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00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: known as qin Yan Valley. But there's no in all

635
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Speaker 1: their records talking about this valley. There's no specific mention

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Speaker 1: of where that tomb is. They just talk around it

637
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Speaker 1: as if they know where it is, so like the

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00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: valley beyond. Yeah, but they was it exclusive to to

639
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Jengis him being the big the big Kahuna, that they

640
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: would hide his tomb or would would they like would

641
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: they have hit all of their burials like a valley

642
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: of the cons Yeah, there's well. Again, the tradition is

643
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: not to mark them. Yeah, that's right where you were born,

644
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: to write, were like where you originate. There's another bit

645
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: of folklore that says he's buried at the peak of

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00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: or on a peak rather in the Kenti mountains, and

647
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: that's Burkehon call doon Uh. He had hidden from enemies

648
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: on that mountain as a young man. That's where he

649
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: made that spiritual pledge right to return there and death.

650
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: So for centuries it seemed like this was going to

651
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: be a hopeless fools Errand it's a huge country. It's

652
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: not very populated. It's almost as if the Hue humans

653
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: sprinkled there are just to give us a sense of

654
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: scale about how vast and empty it is. It's a

655
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: very unforgiving terrain. It's a very unforgiving terrain. But there

656
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: was there, there was something that seemed set to change

657
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: the expedition's game that arrived very recently, and that is

658
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: the emergence of cutting edge technology, which will dive into

659
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsors, and we're back and

660
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: entered Dr Albert Lynn. He is the let's say, he's

661
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: the most well known example of somebody who's using technology

662
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: in the hunt for this lost tumb And you you're

663
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: a huge fan of this guy, right, Matt, I am.

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Speaker 1: I've only I've only spent let's say it's probably a

665
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: forty eight minutes with him roughly that I've spent with

666
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: him on screen hanging out. No, no, no, no. I

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00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: I love the work that he's doing and it seems

668
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: very admirable. And going back to his roots, backstory about

669
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: led him to this ultimate journey using grad school and

670
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: he went back to Mongolia, bought a horse and ended

671
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: up like staying with these nomadic people and um kind

672
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: of hearing about this potential for a hidden sight that

673
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about, and it intrigued him a lot, obviously. Yeah,

674
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: well it's it's really awesome. It's something we've discussed on

675
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: this show a lot before, using lidar and other new

676
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: technologies to be able to find hidden tombs, hidden archaeology

677
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: that exists there in the world. And he's actually doing it,

678
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: and he convinced in this case National Geographic to go

679
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: out and you know, fund his research and fund his journeys.

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00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: Pretty awesome. Yeah. Lightar is stands for light detection and ranging.

681
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: It's a remote sensing method. You've probably heard when we

682
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: talked about law civilizations how this technology has been used.

683
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: And luckily for Lynn and Code, this has progressed by

684
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: leaps and bounds. Nor weren't you mentioning that drone that

685
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: used light ar. Yeah, he's got a really like early.

686
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 1: When I say early, I think this is in what came. Yeah,

687
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: he started his search I think started in O eight. Yeah,

688
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: so you know at that time, drone technology was it's

689
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: like the military thing we always talk about where it's

690
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: um they hold back stuff or they only have like

691
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: the good stuff for the big boys in the military,

692
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: and then it eventually trickles down to what I like

693
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: to call pro sumer technology, where it's going to be

694
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: quite expensive to get a good one, and they had one.

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00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: They had. I'm not sure exactly, Matt. You may have

696
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: mentioned what the model might have been of the strone.

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00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't know the act, but it was

698
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: definitely a really tight drone equipped with some kind of

699
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: light ar technology that they could use to do topographical

700
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: like aerial maps. I'm pretty sure Jonathan, our own Jonathan

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00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: Strickland went to see yes that your were a version

702
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 1: of ce S at the time, and uh talked about

703
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: those first prosumer drones. Yeah, I think you were correct.

704
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: They also used satellite imagery. They had some assistance from

705
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: some satellite companies, and with this and the lighter, which

706
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: they describe as non invasive ground based imaging, they were

707
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: able to identify and study dozens and dozens of archaeological sites,

708
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 1: including some ancient burial mounds, none of which so far

709
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: have turned out to be the con We should point

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00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: out to that it's a big deal, big important part

711
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: of this as that the Mongolian government they won't let

712
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: anybody dig. There's no there's no dig policy. So this

713
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: was his solution to like, let's do a virtual dig. Yeah,

714
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: and they also so very quickly they run into this problem.

715
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna let's talk a little in depth about this

716
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: because this is the most well known recent search and

717
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: the one that has the highest probability of success. Honestly,

718
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: he did it very smartly. Yeah. So he also crowdsourced.

719
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: Their team said, look, we're getting way too many images,

720
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: We're getting way too much stuff to go through. If

721
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: you are interested in this, you do not have to

722
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: be PhD level archaeologist. We want to use you as

723
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: what Dr Lynn called a human computation network. So they

724
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: got thousands of quote citizen archaeologists, that's what they called them,

725
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: to review more than eighty five thousand images from this

726
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: that they had gotten through this company called Digital Globe,

727
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: that's their satellite partner. And these were images of that

728
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: forbidden zone that's the name of it. Uh, that's where

729
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: you cannot dig, and parts of that area used to

730
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: be entirely restricted to royal families among colia. So it's

731
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: a big deal for people to even be able to

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00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: go out there, And he published a paper about this

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Speaker 1: called Combining go O I one Satellite Remote Sensing u

734
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Speaker 1: a V Aerial Imaging and Geophysical Surveys and Anomaly Detection

735
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: applied to Archaeology. Sexy. It's really the kicker, right, is

736
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: these these anomalies because when you look at the aerial footage,

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00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: there's stuff down there that's clearly man made. He says,

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Speaker 1: if it's like squared off looking, it's these little nipple

739
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: looking things, little bounds kind of that's quote unquote like odd.

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00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: But he said the sheer amount of data was just

741
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: too too, too, too much for a team of of

742
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: however many he had access to to mess with and

743
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: just to mind through it all. Hence the crowdsourcing. So

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00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: he basically got a bunch of people to do a

745
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: bunch of grunt work for him for free. Well, the

746
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: images were roughly one pixel to one meter. That's amazing,

747
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: So like you're literally looking at all of the land space.

748
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: That's a lot of computer and hands. Yeah, but then

749
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: what did the aggregate look like when all the results

750
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: were in all these clicks, all these people taken on

751
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: these deals, what do they get back. That made it interesting.

752
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: They are a distinct lack of a two of Genghis

753
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: cons Tom, but they but they saw clusters of things

754
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: kind of pinpoint, so they were able to yeah, map

755
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: out civilizations places where it may be more likely for

756
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: the tomb to be located, especially if the folks from

757
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: Nuan dynasty were correct and that there was some sort

758
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: of knowledge of the tombs location and that the cons

759
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: were secretly buried. There was a thing about it being

760
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: betwixt two rivers or something, and go back to and

761
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: the proximity to the mountain of course, right, that's right.

762
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 1: I think they found what he redescribed as an iron

763
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: age tomb um, but it has just been picked clean

764
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: by grave robbers, he said, looking for barrow heads or something. Yeah,

765
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: but you're right, Ben, They you know, all this cool

766
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: tech didn't amount to a whole hillo hillo con one

767
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: other Hillican of one of the other really cool things

768
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: they had where the lidar actually back in backpack style

769
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: or something. So they're walking around across these areas that

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00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: have been you know, clustered together, with a bunch of

771
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: different people seeing them, and they're walking just with a

772
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: lighter on their back. I want to do that, but

773
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: I want that for you. I feel like you've earned that.

774
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: That's kind of rolling cart version of it too. And

775
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: I saw in the video that I was look confused

776
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: about what it was. But they definitely had a lot

777
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: of tech and that was a big part of the

778
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: of the of the show was how much gear they had,

779
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: you know, And we can't downplay what they found because

780
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: they found a lot of amazing, astonishing things. They just

781
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: found those as a result of searching for the thing

782
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 1: that they have yet to find, and that's because there

783
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: are and this this is maybe the strangest part of

784
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: today's story. There are some massive problems with the search.

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00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: Nold you and I like we briefly mentioned the terrain

786
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: his first off spoiler alert. Mongolia is the definition of remote.

787
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: Most of the country outside of the capital Lambatore does

788
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: not have roads, rooted cities. There's still many communities living

789
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: in the neeumatic tradition on the steps. And then just

790
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: for comparison, I found this fascinating and this really set

791
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: it in stone in my mind. Mongolia is more than

792
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: seven times the size of Great Britain and it has

793
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: about two percent the amount of roads that Great Britain has.

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00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: It's so funny that recently took a flight over the

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00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: Great Salt Flats and Salt Lake City and that was

796
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: the closest kind of terrain that I could kind of

797
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: compare to this. It's not desert. It it's very like

798
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: you look down, it's like there's nobody down there. Yeah,

799
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: there are no roads, and it's like I felt like

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Speaker 1: I was flying over the moon and it was. It's beautiful,

801
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: but it's also like very alien. I have. I have

802
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: a feeling there's a similar quality over over there in Mongolia.

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Speaker 1: There was one yeah, when I drove through the Salt

804
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: Flats on me completely non sketchy thing, and it was

805
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: one of the few times in my life I thought, Man,

806
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: if the car breaks down, that's it. It's over for me.

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00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: They make a good point to in the documentary how

808
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: they take older trucks and stuff because they're easier to

809
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: fix out in the field, and there would be like,

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00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: now you're not going to find a Volkswagen shop, you know.

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00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: And even with those trucks that have like four by

812
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: four capability and stuff, they have to send some people

813
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: on horseback different sites, right stuff. So I always see

814
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Because they couldn't get right up onto

815
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 1: it with the vehicle, they had to like send out parties. Yeah,

816
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: it's totally true. What we need to do is have

817
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: teams that go in behind the search, teams that can

818
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: set up supply lines. Oh yeah, there we go, right.

819
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: I think that's how we conquered this whole thing. So

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00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: that was the smartest little detail of CON's brigade that

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00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: that's gone. I'm like, wow, that is They really had

822
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: to figure it out. There's also some speculation that climate

823
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: change played a role in the expansion of the empire,

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00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: because they did they were running out of resources agriculturally

825
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: to feed people. Sure, and I always I hadn't considered that,

826
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: and maybe that played a role in the later environmental

827
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: laws that he instituted. There was another video that Auto

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00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: played after the documentary were talking about. It was an

829
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Australian fellow who tried to follow the path that the

830
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: Mongols would have taken, and he kept ringing another problem

831
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: where there wasn't enough grass for the horses to graze on,

832
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: so that the horse was would get skinny over time,

833
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: and you could picture that happening for real, like back

834
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: in the day. If it's like the resources aren't there,

835
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: you can't feed your horses, you can't feed your horses,

836
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: you can't feel only going on with this nomadic lifestyle.

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00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: The only way is forward to find the what they

838
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: call him in songing advice, some fire, exceason, game of Thrones,

839
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: the sheep people, the lambsmen people. And here here's the strangest,

840
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: most disturbing part. One of the reasons, possibly one of

841
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: the reasons that the tomb is yet to be found

842
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: despite all this blood, sweat, tears and amazing technology applied

843
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: to the question, is that some people, many people do

844
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: not want it to be found, especially native Mongolians. They

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00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: don't want the tune to be disturbed. This is often described,

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00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: at least here in the West, in terms of a curse.

847
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Speaker 1: They'll say that Moriy Kravitz died because he got too close,

848
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: was cursed. And this idea is that disturbing or even

849
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: discovering the grave of the con will set in motion

850
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: this catastrophic series of events, triggering something like World War three. However,

851
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: what's interesting here as well is that many Mongolians who

852
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: reject the spiritual concerns and say, ah, the idea of

853
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: a curse is just a bunch of gobbledegook. They still

854
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: don't want the tomb discovered in their opinion for people

855
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: who would consider themselves skeptical, but I want this to

856
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: remain unknown. Their opinion is that if it was the

857
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: CON's wish, it was jengis CON's wish that his body

858
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: not be found, then his wishes should be respected. This

859
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: mixture of fear and respect is codified the modern day.

860
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: The mountains that often come up as candidates in the

861
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 1: search for the tomb are still considered sacred. Uh. There

862
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: were recent reports of a Mongolian researcher and a journalist

863
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: who I believe was British who were not still not

864
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: allowed in the modern day to climb Burkhan klled Doon

865
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: because they were women. Yeah, and it's still now it

866
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: used to be. The area that used to be known

867
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: as the i correg or Great Taboo is not now

868
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: called the Contental strictly protected area. It's a World Heritage

869
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: Site and because of this designation, it's been off limits

870
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 1: to most researchers, which strictly protected area. Yeah, how Lynn

871
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: get up in there? Though National geographics got some pool

872
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: he tells an interesting story about how near the end

873
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: of their project or at some point after they've been

874
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: there for a while, he was approached by their representatives

875
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: of the local shaman. And there's this great story. It's

876
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: clearly the central you know, kicker of his ted talk

877
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: moment where he shaking and why are you here? Why

878
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: are you here? And who are you and asked them

879
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 1: all these very existential questions. But ultimately, isn't like angry,

880
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: isn't like get out, isn't like don't do anything, because

881
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: at the same at the end of the day, they're

882
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: not going to dig it up. They're just like trying

883
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: to get some answers. And you know, but my big

884
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: question to you guys is who cares? Why? What? What's what?

885
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: What's what's there to find? Why don't need to see

886
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: a body? Why don't need to see these remnants? Because

887
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: it could create a watershed moment in archaeology. First off,

888
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: it would it would clarify the questions about the death right.

889
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: It would it would also from the perspective of any

890
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: Mongolian parties who want the tomb to be discovered, it

891
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: would be a massive cultural boon. You know. We would

892
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: also probably find a lot of stuff that's buried with

893
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: him that would answer questions about engineering, questions about human

894
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: technology at the time, that that we wouldn't know ordinarily.

895
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: But I think we don't have that from other sources, right,

896
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I think the yeah to continue. I think that the

897
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: primary appeal for many people who are not Mongolian is

898
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: the the proving or disproving of various myths. This is

899
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: a enough for a lot of it to be essentially

900
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: legend and then also a bit of romanticization. I don't

901
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: think we can escape that. I think there's there's clearly

902
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: a bit of a rosy picture people paint. But I

903
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: have a question for you guys, which is what about

904
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: this this curse thing? It doesn't come out a whole cloth.

905
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen other historical leaders be have their

906
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: tombs described as cursed. Yeah, it's true. This guy named

907
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: George Edwards Stan Hope Malin no Herbert a k a.

908
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: The Earl of Carnavon was quite a fancy man who

909
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: fancied himself an amateur Egyptologist who was Carnavon is real?

910
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: Is that real? Yeah? That's he was the Earl of

911
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: car Carr carnar Carnarvon. Carnarvon, let's call it. I don't

912
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, come at me, Brits um. But yeah,

913
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: he he um. He apparently actually grew up in a

914
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: High Claire Castle, which is the estate where they filmed

915
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: Downton Abbey. So very fancy boy, he sure does. But

916
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: he also really was into Egyptology and single handedly, um

917
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: using wielding his influence and his obscene wealth, um, paid

918
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: for an expedition to open the tomb of the boy

919
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: King King Tuton. Comment looks like rain. Okay, yes, so

920
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: what what happened? Well, he hired this young, upstart archaeologist,

921
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: kind of a Brendan Fraser type, his prime not modern

922
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: day Brendan kind of sat Howard Carter was this man's name.

923
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: They had met through a guy named Gaston Mosparrow who

924
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: was the Director General of the Egyptian Department of Antiquities.

925
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, they opened up this tomb and they found

926
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy stuff. And very shortly after visiting

927
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: Thebes to visit the site of the spoils of his investment,

928
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna call him Carnarvon, as as is befitting his station.

929
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: He he died in short order after getting get this

930
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: bit by a mosquito. Whoa, So you get like the

931
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: malaria or some bods some real bad And I'm not

932
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going as far. I'm not saying that didn't

933
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: know wasn't common. But man, what a kick in the pants, yeah,

934
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: or a bite in the leg. Yeah, And that's its

935
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: own you know, that's almost its own episode. The curse

936
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: of King tut right, we could do We already do that.

937
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: I know we've done a video for sure. It all blurs,

938
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: but search or search for it, see if you can

939
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: find and let us know who before. Yes, there's one

940
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: other example of a curse that oddly enough is related

941
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: to Mongols stuff as well, and that is Team or

942
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: or often called tamer Lane in the West. Uh. This

943
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: fear of grave consequences, get it in that grave. Yep,

944
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: great consequences. Let's sit in it. Everybody's sitting in it.

945
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: Not And I'm sorry, I'm sorry this this this fear

946
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: echoes concerns that regard the discovery of the legendary grave

947
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: of Tamerlane or Timore. In n one, Soviet archaeologists discovered

948
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: the grave of this guy's a fourteenth century Turkic Mongolian

949
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: king in some Arcan that the location called Emir cert

950
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: of Fact. Okay, it's just we cut it in the

951
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: original edit. But at first I mispronounced as gury Mur.

952
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know if you did mispronouncing. It's unclear.

953
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: But it's the opportunity to just make a Swedish chef joke. Yeah,

954
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: it was funny. That's fine, that's it's done. You guys

955
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: gotta go for it. You already did it. What, go

956
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: ahead and try it. If you're listening to everybody, everybody

957
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: you're you're jogging past right now, we'll just think you're

958
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yes, they'll say it together, ready,

959
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: three two one, Yeah, it's it's the location in Samarcan

960
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: where they found the tomb, and it bore a warning

961
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: allegedly of a terrible fate that would befall any and

962
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: all who disturbed the dead king's slumber. One worse than

963
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: me will rise. Immediately afterward, according to the story, the

964
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, launching World War two's Eastern Front,

965
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: so two days after the tomb was opened, on the

966
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: night of June twenty, Nazi Germany declared war invaded the USSR.

967
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people linked it with the opening of

968
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: that tomb, and the expedition was immediately wound up. The

969
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: remains of the guy were sent for study in Moscow. Coincidence, right,

970
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: especially when consider World War two was already in full swing.

971
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: People who believe in that curse think there's an additional fact.

972
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: They say the turning point of the war occurred at

973
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: the Battle of Stalingrad and the Soviets one exactly a

974
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: month after Stalin ordered the government to return Timore's remains

975
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: to Samarkand and bury him with full honors. WHOA I'm

976
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: gonna say, I think it's a coincidence. I think you

977
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: don't need a supernatural uh curse to be decent enough

978
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: to not desecrate a grave. Also are Egyptologist amateur gyptologist

979
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: Fancy Boy was known to have a bit poor health,

980
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're if you're if you're not healthy,

981
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: something like a bloodborne illness from a mosquito, who might

982
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: take you out a little quicker. You're talking about carnerrn

983
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: Lord Carnivore. But actually Arthur Conan Doyle is one of

984
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: the ones who spread the idea of this curse with

985
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: as pertained to so to Doyle, a kind of fool

986
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: of those people. He but he was a bit of

987
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: a fabulous right, so a fictionist. Yeah, it is a

988
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: great tale, though, is I mean? Look, if I ever

989
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: am fortunate enough to die, then I am obviously going

990
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: to have some sort of curse inscribed. Like that's what

991
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: you want, right, Like Shakespeare does he have? Yeah, good

992
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: friend for Jesus sake, forbear to dig the dust and

993
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: close it here. Blessed be he man that spares these stones,

994
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: and cursed be he that moves my bones? And did

995
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: you notice it rhymes? Yeah? I used to get at that.

996
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: He kind of invented rhyming. Didn't name Shakespeare. Francis Bacon

997
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: is sown so just awesome. So yeah, so curses are common, Um,

998
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: I I don't know. This is as we end today's episode. First,

999
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: we want to thank you for hanging out with us,

1000
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: and we want to ask you do you think this

1001
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: tomb should be disturbed or found, especially if the people

1002
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: who are descended from this empire don't want it to

1003
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: be found. I am of the mind definitely not leavall

1004
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: enough alone. Yeah, you know, don't disturb the ground if

1005
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: you're not invited, you know what I mean. And that's

1006
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: sort of the point of a curse, right, It's like,

1007
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: don't mess with my stuff, are you gonna get cursed?

1008
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: But also a lot of this depiction of it as

1009
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: a curse, I feel like it comes from the West,

1010
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't find anythinging in Mongolian culture that said

1011
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: this tomb is specifically cursed. You just found it being

1012
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: the wishes of the man interred there, sort of like

1013
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: the the old Kennedy curse. We sort of imposed this

1014
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: notion of a cur of a curse on a series

1015
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: of unfortunate events that sounds like a Netflix show children

1016
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: children's popular series of children's books. So I don't know

1017
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: about that. We're so pressyot uh. This episode, by the way,

1018
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1019
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1020
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: of course by Jenghis Khan, who has his motto has

1021
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: always been don't disturb my grave r. And like the

1022
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: legacy of Genghis Khan, we didn't even talk about the

1023
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,320
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1024
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,160
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1025
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