WEBVTT - Introducing: Shoot the Messenger 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.800 Hey, they're Sacred Scandal listeners. I'm Nando Vila. We're taking 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.840 over the feed to share a pretty wild story with you. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.760 It's called Shoot the Messenger, Espionage, murder and Pegasus Spyware. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.320 I've been working on this project for over two years. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.240 Shoot the Messenger is a new bi weekly serialized podcast 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.960 from Exile Content. Season one is all about Pegasus spyware. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:29.320 Pegasus is the world's most sophisticated spyware to date. It 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.520 can give full access to your phone. That means everything, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:39.120 your texts, emails, phone calls, camera, microphone everything. How did 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.040 this spyware come to be? We'll investigate how it works, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.320 who makes it, and the industry booming around it. An 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.919 episode one, which you're about to hear, will start with 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.840 the murder of journalist Jamal Kashogi and uncover how Pegasus 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.600 was found on the phones of many in his inner circle. 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:07.120 Here is Shoot the Messenger. Dubai is known for luxury, 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.880 high end shopping and a bump in nightlife. The heat 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.920 and the United Arab Emirates can be oppressive, but in 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:20.360 springtime Dubai can be pleasant. You can expect sunshine with 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:29.000 clear skies, balmy but not too hot. It was a 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.679 night like this on ap when Hanan, a latter, landed 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.720 in her hometown of Dubai. After twenty two years as 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.399 a flight attendant with Emirates Airlines, the routine had long 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.479 turned to muscle memory. On this Saturday night, Hanan had 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.640 just finished a long flight from Toronto. Her shift was 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.320 over and she was tired and ready to go home. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:57.120 Hanan would have been wearing the standard Amarani uniform, a 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.840 fitted cream colored blazer with red piping with signature red 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.920 pill box hat. And this is where I like to 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.280 imagine Hanan and red pumps clacking along in the manner 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.560 which is distinctive to crew and pilots no matter how 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.320 often you fly, pulling a black roll away behind her, 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.799 always black, and maybe she had one of those squarish 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:21.920 topebags trapped on top of her roll away. Hannan had 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.799 deboarded a plane, exited the gate area, and walked through 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:30.959 immigration at Dubai's International Airport thousands of times, but this 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:37.280 time something was different. And this immigration people they know 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.560 me by name. He normally took my passport to speak 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.799 to me about my flight, but in this case, he 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.960 said Hannan within the side. The system is down and 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:52.120 I feel there is something wrong. Hannan rushed into a 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.360 nearby bathroom and locked herself in install She called the 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.240 person she always called once she landed at home, her sister, 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.880 and I told you, my sister, there's something go and 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.799 go on. Hanan had a terrible feeling that the Emiadi 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.320 men hanging around immigration had something to do with her fiance. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.360 Her fiance was a journalist known for speaking out on 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.680 human rights, and in the UAE, loudly defending human rights 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:23.760 could get you detained or even jailed. Hanan's fiance had 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.920 already told her he worried about the way his work 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.320 would impact her life. He gave me the engagement drink, 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.000 and when he put the rink in my hand, he said, 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.640 Hannan and his kids, I might be a curse in 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:42.280 new life. I might create a problem for you. Hanan 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.720 wasn't involved in politics, She hadn't had any run ins 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.680 with the police. But sitting in that bathroom stall in 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.240 the Dubai airport, her fiance's words echoed in her head. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:58.760 I remember this wound. I was very scared. She gathered 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.720 herself and left the stall. When Hanan walked out, of 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.440 the bathroom. She was quickly flanked by Emirati intelligence officers. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:13.000 One of the member woke was us quietly and the 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:20.200 behavior shift. I realized you just have to comply with Jim. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.200 Hanan was unhandcuffed, blindfolded, put in a car, and taken 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.240 to an interrogation cell. I cannot express to you what 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.480 is my feeling is this time the band in my 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:36.000 stomach from the bannock. The intelligence officers demanded she hand 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.440 over all of her devices, a laptop and two Android phones, 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.520 and that to share her passwords. She was taken to 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.880 a remote location where she was questioned overnight and into 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:53.839 the morning. Seventeen hours later, the intelligence officers returned Hanan's 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:59.120 devices and took her home. Hanan wanted to resume the 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.280 life she had built for herself, leading a cabin crew 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.240 across trans atlantic flights, traveling and visiting family. She looked 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.400 forward to her wedding ceremony in Washington, d C. Just 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:13.080 a couple of months away. But after she was detained, 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.279 everything changed. It turns out that while Hanan was being questioned, 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:22.400 the Emirati intelligence officers were executing a much more effective 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.839 plan to get information from her. I never had my 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:30.600 normal life back. That's because when Amiradi intelligence officers had 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.320 Hanan's phone, they installed a highly sophisticated piece of spywear, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.159 and as Hanan went about her life, the spy where 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:43.320 had unknowingly turned her into an informant, providing a direct 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:52.400 window to the person she cared about. Most fears are 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.960 growing over the fate of missing Saudi journalist Jamaka, who 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.159 vanished after entering the Saudi Arabian consulate in Restrountable details 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.520 are pouring in about the likely death of this Washington 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:09.480 Post columnist because and they are just simply horrified. Jamal 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.320 Kashogi Hannan's newly what husband, the Saudi journalist who had 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.080 been living in Washington, d C. In South exile writing 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.440 op eds for the Washington Post, was assassinated just months 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:26.200 after her detention. We never thought me under Jomal, they 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.120 will be extremists to their level to kill him, and 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:35.600 this terrible way. When Kashoki disappeared from the Saudi consulate 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.720 in it would be weeks before the world learned what 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.680 occurred in his final hours. But it's taken years for 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.400 us to learn he wasn't just killed, he was systematically 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.440 hunted in a way we have never seen before. And 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.920 what we now know is that the first weapon used 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:58.279 against Kashogi was digital and it's called Pegasus. Pegasus is 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.960 probably the most advanced piece of spy where it is 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.200 effectively the most invasive form of surveillance imaginable licenses this 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:10.360 software to intelligence and law enforcement agencies. Worldwime tool can 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:15.600 also be deployed by a government to crush descent. Pecasus 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.400 is a kind of software that can be used to 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:22.000 hijack your phone. It's a military grade spying software. It's 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.800 this magic thing. It can infect your phone, and once 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.600 it does, it's inside of your phone and it's like 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:33.600 a little worm and it can burrow into every piece 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.600 of equipment in your phone. This is Dana Priest. She 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.520 covers national security for the Washington Post, the same newspaper 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.640 as Jamal Kashogi. It can turn the microphone on, it 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.680 can turn the camera on. It can go into all 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:54.000 of your photos, all of your emails, even your deleted messages, 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:59.360 and scoop them up and take them somewhere seven and 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.760 you'll never know it. You'll never know it. Pegasus implicates 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:08.680 several countries and multiple government agencies. And unites unlikely allies. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.960 It's part of a massive and mostly unregulated, multibillion dollar 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:19.559 global industry. Battlefields aren't physical anymore. They aren't far away 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.440 across oceans or borders. They're in our pocket. And the 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.320 threats that journalists face as they seek out and reveal 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.360 uncomfortable truths are threats that we are all vulnerable to, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.000 no matter where we live, who we know, and what 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:39.679 we do. Jamaica Showgi's assassination reveals that journalists are the 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.800 canaries in the coal mine these days. You don't have 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.640 to be a high profile journalists or a dissident or 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.880 a famous truth teller to get swept up. If you've 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.400 ever had a phone, if you've ever had a secret, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:59.520 you're at risk too. I'm Nando Vila and I'm Rose 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.920 Reed and this is Shoot the Messenger, a new investigative 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:09.160 reporting podcast from Exile Content Studio. Every season, we investigate 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.880 one international news story. You may have heard the headlines. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.920 This is the deep dive. Nando and I started the 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.160 series with one question, what is the biggest threat to 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.559 journalists today? We put up a bulletin board and stuck 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.479 a pen for every journalist who was threatened or assassinated, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.000 or if they had a family member who was threatened 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.000 or assassinated directly because of their work in the last 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:36.120 five years, and we found one link that kept coming 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:40.000 up again and again from Mexico to d C to 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.920 the United Arab Emirates Pegasus. How did this spyware come 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.840 to be? How does it work? And how vulnerable are you? 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.360 Over the course of ten episodes, we're doing a special 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:57.280 partnership with the Committee to Protect Journalists on espionage, murder 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:01.200 and Pegasus spyware put in the hell could have happened 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.839 in there? Which he's together what happened? Almost like who 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.160 done it? Given one instance of an attack, can we 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.680 trace that to other instances in other countries as well? 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.960 Regarding the spying and the Bagatis, we did not know 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.400 they did drag through me because they do and the 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:26.160 closest to hunt him they started with me. Episode one 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:32.319 Jamaica Shogi, a story told in three parts his life, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:40.559 death and betrayal. Jamal was a great man as a 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:45.320 journalist and as a husband. Hanana latter first met Jamalka 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.840 Shogi at a conference in two thousand and nine. Jamal 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.280 is a kind of person we can say is not 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.400 in the right or left. He's in the middle in 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.480 his opinion and his vision because he's very open minded. 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.360 Any bad ground can sit down with Jamal, any race, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:07.000 any doluji and do you have a different view home him? 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.760 But you will walk away with a smile. Nana Kashoki 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.080 captain touch and they are friends for almost a decade 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:17.160 before their romance began. I met Jamal first time with 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.840 was a nine in Dubai where I grown up and 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.840 I remember very well. We had a conversation over two hours. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.400 He was talking about the Middle East politics and form 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:35.199 policy of US toward the Middle East, and we realize 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:39.320 we are like a twin and we continue. And I 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.560 always used to give him a feedback in any article 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.320 in the published opinion. I used to give him a 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.600 feedback and he was always waiting for me, calling me up, 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.360 discussing with me. Kahoki spent most of his career as 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.440 a writer and editor for Amadina, one of the oldest 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.640 and biggest newspapers in Saudi Arabia. Kashoki had grown up 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.560 among a social elite and considered himself a moderate, but 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.400 over time he developed a reputation in the Middle East 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:11.320 for speaking truth to power. Speaking out cost him several jobs. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.920 He was fired from Almadina for publishing pieces that were 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.680 critical of the Saudi regime, supporting women's rights to drive, 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.120 or blowing the whistle on corruption among the religious police. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:28.200 Kaushoki then worked for Saudi ambassadors and diplomats, living between Washington, 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.840 d C. And Saudi Arabia. This way he was able 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.520 to maintain his elite social status in the kingdom, and 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.680 then in the Arab spring erupted across the Middle East. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:44.920 It's the first Arab revolution of three or it will 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:49.720 be that people were fearless, but that they were joyous deposed. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:57.080 Egypt eighteen day revolution defies all expectations. Protesters across Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.800 Syria and Bahrain used social media to nice the masses 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.439 and take to the streets. In turn, many leaders in 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.440 the region began to heavily surveil social media in order 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.880 to curtail public discourse and dissent. A new industry developed 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.480 to keep up with government's demand to surveil. The press 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.920 was a major target. The Committee to Protect Journalists has 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.840 reported that at the end of more than three hundred 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:28.480 and sixty journalists, which is increase over around the world. 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.480 Are currently imprisoned, either charged with crimes against the state 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.520 like treason, or their paper of record charged with libel, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:41.040 or even a personal matter exposed if illegal in their country, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.840 like committing adultery. Journalism such a critical component at the 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.559 outset of the Arab Spring has become one of its 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.920 long term casual. For the very first time, a lot 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.200 of the main television channels in Egypt are directly owned 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.559 by the Egyptian military. This is new. You only need 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:02.200 to target a handful of journalists before the rest of 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:07.600 them are in line. Enjoying the episode, make sure to 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.640 subscribe to Shoot the Messenger Espionage Murder and Pegasus spyware. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.040 You can find exiles Shoot the Messenger anywhere you get 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:20.880 your podcasts. Okay, let's get back to the episode. Following 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.920 the Arab Spring in two thousand and eleven, authorities across 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.800 North Africa and the Middle East increased online censorship and 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.600 took over broadcast networks and media companies. Revolution did not 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.480 come to Saudi Arabia, but in Saudi Arabia got a 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.200 new leader, now a thirty one, an astonishing rights to 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:46.560 power appears complete. They call him MBS. He's young, popular 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.160 and promising more change than these country's ever seen. The 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.480 Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, commonly referred to as MBS, 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.560 initially spoke of reforms. He allowed women to drive and 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:04.800 attend sporting events. But while MBS endorsed some social reform, 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:09.600 he crushed any type of political reform or opposition. Here's 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.280 a clip of Jamal ka Shogi commenting on the new leadership, 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.480 taken from an interview he did with Global News. I 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.120 have fixed freelings about that. I'm very much supportive for 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.640 his reform, for his social reform, but in the same 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:29.960 time I immediately say he doesn't need to disintimidation. Mohammed 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.960 bin Samon took the new social media playbook to a 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.760 new level in Saudi Arabia. He worked closely with authorities 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:42.440 to watch, target and silence any opposition, either discrediting opponents 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:47.240 and complex media campaigns or arresting them and sometimes their 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:52.680 family members as well. Kahoki's friends advised him to be careful. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.040 It was sad to me, but it is not that 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.360 I time to shave MBS and his media is our 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:05.280 singled out independent journalists after Koshogi openly questioned the Saudi 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.400 regime support for the newly elected American President Donald Trump 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.960 on Twitter. Authorities told Koshogi to stay offline in two 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:17.520 thousand sixteen because he said a negative opinion about electing 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.520 President Donald Trump. The Saudi authority did most like he 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.440 speaking frankly and ask him to sit down at home, 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.880 not to write anything. Most to a bear almost under 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:36.920 house arrested in the summer of two thousand seventeen, Jamak 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.160 Kashogi decided it was time to leave his home country 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.000 of Saudi Arabia. What iver ner space I had was 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.240 getting nerwer So I just decided to leave before I 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.160 just do it. Sixty years old and they want to 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.040 enjoy life and they want to be three to speak 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.600 for my country. Kashoki continued his reporting, but he never 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:02.720 considered himself a dissident. Jammal did not leave to criticize, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.840 only just for a sick of criticize. Jam l was 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:11.080 of domestic about future of his country. He loved his country, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.879 but he loved to be identified as in Saogia and Arabs. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.920 Kashoki went to d C and began writing Our Beds 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.400 for the Washington Post. Kashogi put more than six thousand 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.480 miles between himself and the Crown Prince, and thought he 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.800 would start a new chapter, one where he could be 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:34.359 free to speak his mind. Hanan allowed her remembers the 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.280 day Kaushoki arrived in the United States. I was in 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.159 London in this day, operating my flights. Immediately I called 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.520 to him to chicken him. I was so happy, and 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.400 I did tell him something and I believe in it. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:53.800 I said, make use of your freedom. Speak up, And 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.320 Kashoki did speak up. He used his new platform in 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.119 the United States to comment on his home country and 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.280 Middle Eastern politics, and his first columns for The Washington Post, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.760 Kashogi wrote, quote Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince is acting like Putin, 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:14.679 and quote Saudi Arabia wasn't always this repressive. Now it's unbearable. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.960 As Jamaka Shogi worked in exile, his fan base grew 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:23.880 to over a million followers on Twitter. Saudi has an 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.720 extremely active Twitter base. There's data showing that more than 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:32.080 seventy of Saudis are Twitter users. Even in ocean away 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.159 from Saudi Arabia Jamaica, Shogi still knew he had to 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.960 be cautious. He avoided going to Saudi embassies and would 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.560 tell his fellow exiled friends to avoid them too, But 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.520 he wasn't scared. As Hanan would describe, he was trying 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.359 to be careful, but he wasn't scared for his life. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.720 He never come back home and the books that change 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.440 fifty chin in the door I used to do before 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.200 we go to sleep. Kashoki got comfortable with his new 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.800 life in exile, but he was homesick. He wanted to 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.520 build a more permanent home and turned to Istanbul, Turkey, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.960 a mix between east and West, closer to his home country, 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.680 but what Kashogi considered a safe enough distance. We agree. 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.960 You have to buy a fleft in the stumble, to 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.439 get a passport and to get a shelter from the 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:24.439 Turkish authority. Moving a Turkey this is where things got 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:29.440 a little more complicated. Well, Jamal's personal life was more 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:37.120 complex than we knew before he died. He had two relationships. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:42.320 One was a longer relationship and he was married and 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:47.159 that was Hanan. And the second relationship that we knew 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:54.400 more about was his recent fiance Hatija in Turkey, so 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.119 the two women did not know each other. During a 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.720 trip to Istanbul, a friend entroduce Koshogi to a Turkish scholar, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.920 Hatija Sindas. Around the same time, Kashoki married Hanan in 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.760 a religious Muslim ceremony and Washington d c he began 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:15.919 dating Hatija and Istanbul and Hanan didn't know about Hadija, 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.920 and Atisha didn't know about Hanan, and most people, honestly, 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.960 even his good friends, did not know about Hanan. We're 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.040 not here to focus on Koshogi's romantic endeavors. He's not 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.240 here to explain himself to us or to the women 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:36.199 in his life. But it's important to know because to 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.879 understand how Koshoki died, we need to unpack the logistical 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:45.359 details around the engagement to Turkish scholar Hatija Sindas because 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:50.800 to get legally married in Turkey, Kashogi needed paperwork, and 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.439 to get that paperwork, Kashoki had to go to the 0:20:54.440 --> 0:21:09.320 Saudi consulate in Istanbul. On Friday, septem eighteen, Jamal Ko 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.360 Shogi didn't make an appointment to visit the Saudi consulate. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:18.040 He just walked in and to kashogi surprise, he was 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.800 greeted warmly. After years of experiencing harassment and intimidation from 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.640 the government, which had ultimately forced him to live in exile. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.320 Kaushogi found himself being offered tea by the Saudi officials 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.520 in Istanbul. They told him to come back Tuesday, October 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:36.520 two to get the final paperwork. In the last five days, 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.159 Kashogi was alive. He lived like a freeman. He traveled 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.719 to London for a conference, made plans for the future. 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.400 He was emailing his editors at the Washington Post, bloodsapping 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.800 with friends across the world, texting with Hanan, and arranging 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:55.280 logistics with Hatch back in Istanbul. The morning of Tuesday 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.720 October two, two eighteen, Kashogi met Hatija at an empty 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.600 apart minut in his temple one that would be their 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.880 new home. CCTV captured the couple holding hands on their 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.119 walk to the Saudi consulate. They went together to the 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.080 points to look and it's in a quiet, leafy, very 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:18.440 pretty residential area. This is Carlotta Golf, the bureau chief 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.720 of the New York Times in is Stumble who reported 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:24.280 on the Jamaica Shogi case. He handed her his bones 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:30.320 and goes in, and so she waited outside. It was 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:34.520 one four pm when Kashogi entered the consulate and then 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:37.360 that was the last, only one sort of thing um, 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:42.480 and then she's hanging around for hours after until finally 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:46.520 it's clear that concerts closed and she asks the god. 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:49.440 They say there's no one here. She asks the police 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.400 and they say everyone's gone. And that's when she started 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:56.320 and it calls to people. Her teacher made many calls 0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:00.000 that night, including some to journalists, which is how Carlotta 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.160 got the tip. Because Shogi had disappeared from the Saudi consulate. 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:09.920 The next day, I went up to consulate and that's 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:12.240 where I ran into her teacha and she was sort 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:16.320 of still there, pacing sidewalk, and she'd been there all 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:21.320 that previous night, and then um was outstanding outside the 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:23.919 whole one next day, and I was the first interview 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.560 she gave in. But actually when she saw me, she 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:31.080 just started to open up the society dissidents who wouldn't 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.840 go near a Saudi concert or embassy. I knew there 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:38.720 were stories of previous kidnappings. I was thinking he might 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:40.960 have been taken out in the trunk of a car, 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:44.880 and I was imagining she had been taken to an airport, 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:50.520 private airport, and already deport or renditioned as the word 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:57.040 goes what happened from Jamaica security camera captured the last 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:00.400 time journalist Jamaica Shogi was seen a lot. The group 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:03.359 of senators is also written to trigger an investigation. The 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:12.320 State Department says that is premature. Dana Priest remembers the 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:16.639 day Jamaka Shogi went missing. My mind kept flashing back 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:18.560 to the two of us. We were seated around this 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:24.080 gigantic empty table, very beautiful white tent, white tablecloth. That 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.960 face kept coming back to me, and I just kept saying, 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:30.439 what in the hell could have happened in there? You know, 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:35.280 in no way could I have imagined what was happening. 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:41.600 Mm hmm yeah. As news of Kashogi's disappearance spread across 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:44.760 the world, local reporters on the scene in Istanbul, including 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.760 Carlotta Gal, We're working together to get more information, but 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.960 none of us had any idea of what really had happened. 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:57.000 We pieced together what happened, almost like who done it? 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:02.080 For one week, Jamaka Shogi remained unaccounted for, the Saudi 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:06.000 government evaded questions about his disappearance. It was as if 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:10.840 he had vanished into thin air. And then Turkish intelligence 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.679 released secret tapes. So We've been able to piece together 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:19.960 the last minutes of Kashogi's life. Be warned, it's quite explicit. 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:24.560 Major breaking news this morning, A jaw dropping exclusive on 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.120 the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamaka Shogi. New footage 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:32.439 that is flat out shocking. Lying in white inside was 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:37.480 a Saudi hit squad. The transcript indicates noises as people 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:42.160 set upon KOI can be heard saying I can't breathe. 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:45.800 Kashogi was then injected with a sedative and suffocated with 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:49.240 a plastic bag brought with them an autopsies expert and 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.760 a bone sawed to put the body in a bug 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:56.680 no too heavy, very cool. Kagi was allegedly beheaded and 0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.960 dismembered limb by Limb, apparent leader of the team. May 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.639 at least three phone calls during the murder to a 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:07.520 number of Turkish officials identify as being in the Saudi 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:11.840 Royal court. The thing is done, It's done. It is 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:16.200 possible that Jamal's body was transported back on on one 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.280 of the planes. A lot of meat was bought for 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:22.719 a barbecue that took place in the console's garden just 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.520 after the murder took place, and that the theory being 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:30.640 that Jamal's body was mixed with this meat and incinerated 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:35.520 at a very high temperature. And it's still kind of 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:39.920 appalls me that we were standing there in the street 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:44.560 outside this building where this unbelievable murder had already occurred, 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.520 you know. And I still think of that of Paul 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.440 her dj to think that she was just standing there 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.760 while he was being hacked to death inside. And I'm 0:26:53.800 --> 0:27:01.480 sure she's still thinks about every day. Koshoki's murder caused 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:06.520 an international uproar. The grizzly details came out because Turkish 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:10.280 intelligence admitted that they had been bugging the Saudi consulate. 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:13.560 The Turk shared the tapes with the u N so 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.480 the world would know what had happened to Jamal ka Shogi. 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:22.280 Investigations by both the u N and the CIA unequivocally 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:27.880 linked Kashoki's murder with direct orders from inside the Saudi Kingdom. 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.280 We have breaking news this afternoon. Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:35.399 Mommed Bin Salman approved the assassination of Washington Post columns 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:40.480 Jamal ka In. In one of Kashi's last columns for 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.920 the Washington Post, he wrote, what the Arab world needs 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:47.640 most is free expression. It has been four years since 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.720 Kashoki's murder, and the link to the Crown Prince is 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:54.240