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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: Dampuanormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode of

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts and

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Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only,

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Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media,

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out, employees of

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Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on

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Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. Hi, I'm Sanders Champlain.

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Speaker 1: For almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey

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Speaker 1: to prove the existence of life after death. On each

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Speaker 1: episode will discuss the reasons we now know that our

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Speaker 1: loved ones have survived physical death, and so will we.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today Mark's episode fifty two.

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Speaker 1: So if you wanted to, you could play one episode

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Speaker 1: a week. How about that? Today We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: to near death experiencer Trisha Barker, who comes from Texas

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Speaker 1: and she teaches English and creative writing. She has been

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Speaker 1: featured on the A and E television show I Survived,

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Speaker 1: Beyond and Back and she's been featured in National Geographic Magazine.

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Speaker 1: She's the author of the book Angels in the o

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Speaker 1: R What Dying taught Me about healing, survival, and Transformation.

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Speaker 1: You can find out more about her and her story

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Speaker 1: at Tricia Barker and d dot com. Trisha, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. Hi, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to get to chat with you. Fun.

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Speaker 1: We're so excited to have you here. So tell us

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Speaker 1: a little bit about you. Everyone really enjoys hearing near

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Speaker 1: death experience stories, and I think they make a huge

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Speaker 1: difference in our belief of the afterlife. So for you,

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Speaker 1: you're coming to us from Texas. You're a Texas girl,

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Speaker 1: I am. I grew up in East Texas and I

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Speaker 1: was raised in an evangelical home and um by the

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Speaker 1: only about education. So my holy grail was getting to college,

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Speaker 1: about as close to spirituality as I got as an

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Speaker 1: English ranger. But um, when I had this accident, that

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Speaker 1: it interested in spirituality. And the very moment that I

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Speaker 1: stepped out of form, I so wanted to come back

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Speaker 1: just to tell them, you know, like we go on,

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Speaker 1: was my first thought out of form. Can you tell

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Speaker 1: on my way to round the Austin ten k, which

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Speaker 1: getting my life back together. I was about to graduate

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Speaker 1: But in that moment, they did many things at once.

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Speaker 1: holy cow, I'm looking down at my own body? Oh? Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And another message that kind of came from this heavenly

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Speaker 1: And so that's what we did. And some people have

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Speaker 1: right out. And now back to Sandra Champlaine and Change

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Speaker 1: wounded child within me, and I can be that parent

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Speaker 1: to that wounded child who didn't get the love that

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Speaker 1: they needed. And really, you know, like once that process begins,

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Speaker 1: then you're really on the right track because you're not

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Speaker 1: looking for it and someone else you're going I can

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Speaker 1: do this, you know. I can take care of myself.

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Speaker 1: I can take care of my emotional needs, and I

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Speaker 1: can make wise choices about who I choose for friends

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Speaker 1: and and also learn along the way. Tricia, We're looking

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Speaker 1: forward to hearing so much more when we come back

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Speaker 1: after the break. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife

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Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife coming right up. The best afterlife information you

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Speaker 1: can get. Well, you're all Shades of the Afterlife with

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Speaker 1: sand Or Champlaine. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sander Champlain and we are with our special guest,

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Speaker 1: Tricia Barker, who's the author of Angels in the o R.

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Speaker 1: What Dying taught Me about healing, survival, and transformation. Tricia.

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Speaker 1: Before the break, we were talking about the college students

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Speaker 1: that you impact. I know some kids now who are

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Speaker 1: teenagers that are having a very, very tough time parents

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Speaker 1: having problems with anger, drugs, alcohol, and it gets taken

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Speaker 1: out on the kids. And unfortunately, growing up, we think

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Speaker 1: our parents are our anchors to life. We look up

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Speaker 1: to them, and those formative years can be so difficult,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately this is way too common. Yeah, it's so common.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I realized in the classroom is that, yes,

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Speaker 1: I suffered, you know, various things from arious people as

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Speaker 1: a kid, and yet what I experienced is a drop

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Speaker 1: in the bucket compared to some of the situations that

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Speaker 1: I saw in other kids lives that required you know,

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Speaker 1: immediate assistance and you know, calling CPS and the police

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Speaker 1: and getting involved in a real way. And sometimes these

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Speaker 1: situations wouldn't change even after all that, and I had

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Speaker 1: to just be that anchor for that student and say,

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Speaker 1: you can't get through this, you know, like you can

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Speaker 1: get a job, you can stay out of your home

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Speaker 1: as much as possible. You know, you can, you know,

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Speaker 1: there are things that you can do to make it

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Speaker 1: through this life and keep looking at your future, and

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Speaker 1: so I just hoped that I was that voice that,

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Speaker 1: you know, just reminded them that they could get through it,

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Speaker 1: you know, and that they could create a different life.

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Speaker 1: And and it was painful some of these situations that

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Speaker 1: you know, I encountered in students life. I mean I

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Speaker 1: just came home and cried and cried and cried. But

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Speaker 1: in retrospect, I'm like, I'm so glad I was there

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Speaker 1: because there were so many people who overlooked, you know,

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Speaker 1: different kids who had gone through different things. Like there

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Speaker 1: were teachers who actually, and this blows my mind, but

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Speaker 1: they blamed a young girl for wearing a mini skirt

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Speaker 1: to a party who was raped by three guys, and

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Speaker 1: I just tore into them. I was like, you're out

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Speaker 1: of your mind, you know, like this young girl is

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Speaker 1: not to blame, you know, like this is you know,

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Speaker 1: these boys should be held accountable. I mean yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean we can always talk about your personal safety and

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Speaker 1: go into parties and not accepting drinks and you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean we can always, you know, look at these elements,

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Speaker 1: but but you know, the the mind and the culture

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Speaker 1: of different people, even teachers, and I encountered, I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: thank God I'm here, you know, I thank God that

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Speaker 1: I can, you know, address this in a different way,

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Speaker 1: and you know, tell this young girl that you know,

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Speaker 1: she's not to blame. Yeah. We hear these stories all

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Speaker 1: the time, kids that are now a else, but life

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Speaker 1: was going really bad, and they always say it was

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Speaker 1: my teacher so and so and my teacher so and

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Speaker 1: so that believed in me. And sometimes it just takes

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Speaker 1: that one person. Yeah, and that that was a message

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Speaker 1: from God to you know, like I went into every

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Speaker 1: classroom believing that the divine spark was in all of them,

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Speaker 1: no matter how angry or how lost or how messed

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Speaker 1: up their lives were. It was like, I'm here to

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Speaker 1: see that divine light and it might not get turned

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Speaker 1: on at that moment, you know, it might just be

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Speaker 1: that I'm simply giving them a possibility of it down

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Speaker 1: the road. And that really did make four miracles in

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Speaker 1: the classroom. I mean it, you know, maybe not for everyone.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure some people just tuned me out and you know,

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Speaker 1: another teacher, but but there were certainly kids who I

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Speaker 1: know their lives were altered because they came across my path,

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Speaker 1: and I felt like it was divine intervention, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was meant to be there. Yeah, and even now,

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Speaker 1: sure there could be some com jage students, but even

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Speaker 1: if we're fifty sixty, seventy years old, there's still that

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Speaker 1: person inside. I really believe that each one of us

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Speaker 1: that you know, they may have escaped and not had

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Speaker 1: a teacher then or somebody that talked to their light,

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Speaker 1: you know, but it's not too late, and you're talking

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Speaker 1: to each one of us right now. Yeah. That and

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Speaker 1: that connection, it's something that I forgot about, you know,

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Speaker 1: at times in life. Life. You know, I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of near death experiencers talk about how they come

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Speaker 1: back and they're so full of life. And well, certainly

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Speaker 1: life hit me pretty hard in different situations. And I

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Speaker 1: never completely lost that thread, that connection to God, but

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Speaker 1: there were certainly times when I was just depressed about

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Speaker 1: being back here and suffering. And and yet I think

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Speaker 1: the healing really comes from examining that connection to God.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's what what can heal a

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Speaker 1: lot of people is just realizing that, you know, they

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Speaker 1: do have that access to that unconditional love and that's

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Speaker 1: peace of God and no matter what they're going through,

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Speaker 1: that it's you know, they may not feel it in

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Speaker 1: that dark moment, but it does exist and it can

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Speaker 1: be accessed again. How can we access it? You know,

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Speaker 1: nature is one way, you know, like there's many ways,

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Speaker 1: but certainly grounding and taking walks in nature will at

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Speaker 1: least make the nervous system calm down a little, maybe

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Speaker 1: enough to meditate and to pray and and to um

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Speaker 1: fight with the mind almost you know, like I do

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Speaker 1: suffer from depression, so I kind of treat my mind

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Speaker 1: as if I'm training it, like no, no, don't think

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Speaker 1: that way, stop it, think this way. Get into this

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Speaker 1: energetic place where you're much happier, and you know, in

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Speaker 1: this place of even if you have to force yourself there,

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Speaker 1: you know, just even with stay months or affirmations until

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Speaker 1: you're in this better energetic place. That's the beginning. But

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Speaker 1: I think staying open in general, to like through meditation

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Speaker 1: and just go angels, God, you know, please come to

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Speaker 1: me in this meditation, come to me in this moment,

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Speaker 1: and just that openness can sometimes allow that flow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's great advice because I think nature of the beast

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Speaker 1: being human. Yeah, he everybody hears me, so positive and happy,

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Speaker 1: go lucky on the show, I've got lots of downtimes.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd call it the press or not,

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Speaker 1: but it's sometimes it's hard to get out of the house.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to go outside. I mean, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm trapped in my own thoughts and what I have

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Speaker 1: to do. And it's always refreshing to hear somebody say

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Speaker 1: you've got to train your mind. You don't have like

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Speaker 1: we don't have to buy into the thoughts that it's thinking.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not purposely putting those thoughts in, but

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Speaker 1: going and getting some sunshine on my shoulders, or going

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Speaker 1: for a walk, or putting on some happy music. Yes, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Once I even put onto some of my favorite dance

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Speaker 1: music and the last thing I felt like doing was listening.

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Speaker 1: But I forced myself to dance a little and it

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Speaker 1: made me feel good. I thought, yes, that's such a

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Speaker 1: silly little trick, but it helped. Oh yeah, Like I

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Speaker 1: believe that dancing is very grounding too. You know if

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Speaker 1: whenever I do a really long meditation, will either go

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Speaker 1: outside and you know, just stand in the grass, or

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Speaker 1: either dance or something to just bring me back into

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Speaker 1: the body, and and that you know that is very helpful. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know there, I think what is beautiful about near

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Speaker 1: death experiences and people who listen to others who talk

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Speaker 1: about spiritual matters and spiritual experiences is I think it

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Speaker 1: does connect us again to that flow of light. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that's what partly one of the reasons why

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Speaker 1: you like studying this is you hear these stories and

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Speaker 1: then you're in that place for a little bit. Oh,

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Speaker 1: without a doubt. I can't be having a bad day

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Speaker 1: and then pick up the phone and call you and

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Speaker 1: then hang up and be whoe is me? You know,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. Now through meditating, Tricia,

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Speaker 1: have you felt like you've gone home back with the angels,

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Speaker 1: if you've had any connection that you feel like, oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I have many times I've felt the angels just

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Speaker 1: there to comfort me or give me messages. It's it's

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Speaker 1: sadunds so strange, and I'm such a grounded person. So

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Speaker 1: now that I start talking about this stuff openly, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I know how it sounds, but I've

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Speaker 1: left form and I've flown around in the sky and

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Speaker 1: I had this one really beautiful meditation where I felt

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Speaker 1: like I merged with this hawk, and the hawk was

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Speaker 1: like going down to catch a mouse in a field.

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Speaker 1: And I felt like what it was like to go

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Speaker 1: that fast and go towards earth and catch this mouse.

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Speaker 1: And I thought, Okay, that's strange. And the next day

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Speaker 1: I got into my car and a hawk. I've never

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Speaker 1: seen a hawk do this, you know, like normally they'll

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Speaker 1: sit on a a fence post or signpost or whatever

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00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: far away, but this one swooped down by my car

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Speaker 1: so close and was flying next to my car, and

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Speaker 1: then it flew off, and then it came back to

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Speaker 1: my car and and kind of just you know, flew

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Speaker 1: along beside me. And I was like, this is so strange.

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Speaker 1: It's almost as if the hawk was trying to tell me,

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Speaker 1: you know, your meditation was correct and your meditation do

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Speaker 1: you just concentrate on your breath or try to quiet

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Speaker 1: your mind or can you how do you meditate yourself?

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Speaker 1: You know? I just love it, so I try many

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Speaker 1: different forms of meditation. So yeah, certainly we'll do, you know,

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Speaker 1: a twenty minute meditation where I'm just following my breath

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Speaker 1: and calming my mind. But I do enjoy guided meditations

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Speaker 1: from various people. Know I think I like to sometimes

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Speaker 1: when I'm in an agitated state, Um, I find it

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Speaker 1: easier to follow someone and to follow their guidance and

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Speaker 1: get out of myself in that way. So I love

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Speaker 1: that type of meditation. It was at the Ian's Convention

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Speaker 1: and even Alexander and Karen Newell had a meditation with

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Speaker 1: sacred acoustics and oh my gosh, that was beautiful. I

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Speaker 1: love that. That was really wonderful. I interviewed both of

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Speaker 1: them separate occasions, but Karen Knewell talked about the sacred

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00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: acoustics and just beautiful, and I know just what you mean.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes just following somebody. I created a guided meditation as

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and it is putting you in the space

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Speaker 1: and reconnecting you with your loved one who has crossed over.

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Speaker 1: And it seems in the beginning, you know, sometimes maybe

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Speaker 1: it's hard to quiet your mind, but I really truly

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Speaker 1: believe that meditation is like a muscle to build and

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00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: and even allowing that space where your loved ones can

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00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: meet up with your frequency. And what ends up happening

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Speaker 1: to many people, including myself, as the images come clearer

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Speaker 1: and clearer and they don't seem like dreams. They seem

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00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: like something that's that's actually just happened. And I say

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00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: it's because it has, you know, so you're connect with

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00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: loved ones. Yeah, and we want to be doing more

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Speaker 1: of these visualizations. I know I've listened to others and

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Speaker 1: I think maybe you need to create one too, to

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Speaker 1: go along with your book. That would be great. Yeah, Tricia,

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Speaker 1: looking at time, We've got to take a break. But

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Speaker 1: for anyone listening who'd like a copy of my Reconnections

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00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: that audio I was just telling you about, if you

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Speaker 1: go to We Don't Die dot com and you click

646
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: on book links, you will find it there. Enough said. Anyways,

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00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: Tricia will come back and we'll find out more and

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Speaker 1: get some closing thoughts from you as well. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio

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00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: and Coast Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Don't go anywhere.

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00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming right up. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: a M Paranormal podcast network, heard on the I Heart

654
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find your favorite shows.

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00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain

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Speaker 1: and we're talking to Tricia Barker, author of Angels in

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Speaker 1: the o R. And of course you can find out

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Speaker 1: more about Tricia at Risha Barker and d E dot com. Tricia,

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00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: before the break, I had recommended that you create your

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Speaker 1: own meditations. Yeah, you know that. In the book. There

661
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: are certain moments where I have verifiable moments from you know,

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00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: my grandfather and then father from the afterlife helping me

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Speaker 1: in certain moments. And so I think those who are

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Speaker 1: skeptical about communication with loved ones or say oh, that's

665
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: a wishful thinking, I'm like, well, but I'm here to

666
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: bring some verifiable details, like I had to leave a

667
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: negative marriage and I had to leave quickly, and my

668
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: grandfather came to me and he was like, get in

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Speaker 1: your car and drive, and I just followed his directions.

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00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: It was a street had never gone down. We drove

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Speaker 1: way out into the country. I say we, because you know,

672
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: I felt his spirit with me. And I ended up

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00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: at a jewelry store and I looked at my wedding

674
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: ring and I thought, okay, let's just give it a shot.

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00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they buy youth jewelry and the guy I bought

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00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: my ring for a thousand dollars and that was enough

677
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Speaker 1: to get a U haul and just get out of there.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, you know, that was a

679
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: moment where my life changed because of that guidance and

680
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: had I not and I did actually ask. So I

681
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: pulled over on the side of the road and I

682
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: was like, God, help me here, you know, how did

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Speaker 1: I get in this situation? And help me get out?

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Speaker 1: And that's when that guidance came. That's really great. Have

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Speaker 1: you found, Tricia, that you've opened up your intuition or

686
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Speaker 1: have you been with somebody and you've been able to

687
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Speaker 1: either feel like a presence of one of their loved

688
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: ones around or a message or an angel or anything

689
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: like that, because I hear those kind of stories from

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00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: time to time. Well, it was it was easier with

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00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: students because I thought, I'm open, you know, like every

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00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: day in the classroom, I was like, if if angels

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Speaker 1: or God wants to work through me, then go ahead.

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Speaker 1: And then accasionally I do have a student who has

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Speaker 1: recently lost a loved one, and a couple of semesters

696
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Speaker 1: ago I did have a young girl who lost her

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Speaker 1: dad and so it was, you know, it's just like

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Speaker 1: two or three minutes before creative writing class started, and

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00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: I said, you know, all right, you do use there

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00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: a message that you have for your daughter. And he

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00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: told me that she's very talented and something that doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to do with academics. And that's all. That's all

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00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: I got, you know. Then I had to start class,

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Speaker 1: and so I just talked with her and I didn't

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Speaker 1: even at first let her know that this was her dad,

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Speaker 1: But I was like, what do you like and what

707
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Speaker 1: do you consider doing for a career that's outside of education,

708
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: and she was like, I would love to open a

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00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: food truck. Oh my god, you know, like my passion. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, really, what you have you considered

711
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: culinary arts or you know? She's like, yeah, kind of

712
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm torn between being in college or doing that. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, take a chance on it. I

714
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: was like, you know, you can always come back to

715
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: community college, but if you I see you light up

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Speaker 1: about this, and she was like, yeah, my dad I

717
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: thought w'd be great at it. And she was like

718
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, I kind of felt that from

719
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Speaker 1: your dad. I hope that doesn't freak me freak you out.

720
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: And she was like, no, not at all. And so

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00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: it was just this moment where I think, you know

722
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Speaker 1: that that might help her in some way. Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: And I love too that you're teaching because they say

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Speaker 1: creativity and imagination like that that's the entry way to

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Speaker 1: work with the spirit world, you know. And so if

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Speaker 1: you're doing creative writing with people, I mean create it

727
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Speaker 1: gets you into the zone. I think it really does.

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Speaker 1: It does, and you know this, I'm sure from writing.

729
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: But writing is healing too. It's many, it's deepening of

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Speaker 1: ideas that stay with you throughout time. And I think

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Speaker 1: my students we've talked about issues from everything about from

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Speaker 1: racism to raye to you know, recovery from alcoholism. I mean,

733
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Speaker 1: like you know, we have not shied away from difficult topics.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's something healing about writing these stories.

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Speaker 1: And I always tell them, you know, you're welcome to

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Speaker 1: create a happy story, you know, of your life the

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00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: way you would rather be, so that you can anchor

738
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Speaker 1: you know, that feeling. But if you want to process trauma,

739
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: we can do it, but we are going to focus

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00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: on on healing. M I'd like that idea of writing

741
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: the story the way we'd like it to go. Yeah,

742
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: almost as if God were, you know, part of our

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00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: our life in a way that you know, so when

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00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: I recreate my childhood, then I just create that feeling

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00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: of safety that I felt in the presence of God.

746
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: And I think we all deserve that, And so it's

747
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: kind of an interesting story to at least refer back

748
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: to and go, well, this is the feeling that I'd

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Speaker 1: like to create in my life. Now, is there a

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Speaker 1: way Tricia to create that feeling of self love? Because

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00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: I hear so many great stories of these endo ease

752
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: with this feeling of overwhelming love, and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I want to taste of that. I don't want to wait. Well,

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00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: the Yeah, the first few years, I was just so happy.

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00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Every bite of food, I was like, I'm alive. Okay,

756
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: this is great, you know, like wow, whatever I put

757
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: in my mouth, and you know, this is fun, you know,

758
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: just like the form became fun again because it had

759
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: been ripped away, and you know it didn't. I I

760
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: just appreciated every moment. And I think if we all

761
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: slow down a little bit more, even if we look

762
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: strange to the rest of the world as we gaze

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00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: at a tree or a bird in the tree. You know,

764
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: like that still allows us to slow down and just

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00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I mean, we we all wake up, you know,

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00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: to these moments when someone close to us dies, and

767
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: then we feel that too, you know that, oh I'm

768
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: still live and I just lost someone, and you know

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00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: we have to process all that, even if it's just

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00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: a friend, you know that are acquaintance. I think we're

771
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: reconnected again with how temporary everything is. But I think

772
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: if we just remind ourselves of that more often, then

773
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: we'll just enjoy the moment. I like it. I like it. Well.

774
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: Our time is drawing to the end. Are there any

775
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: questions or anything you want to share, Questions that I

776
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: should ask you that I haven't, or um something else

777
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: you'd like to share some wisdom perhaps, or even a

778
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: bit of advice of like how we can change our

779
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: day right now if we're enough a little bit of

780
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: a slump or r is yours, my friend. I think

781
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: the main thing that I took away from the near

782
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: death experience was do as much good as you can

783
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: do in this world. That that when your life review

784
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: happens and you see that you went out of your

785
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: way to spread as much love, to do as much

786
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: good to a body that love, then you really you've

787
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: lived a great life. I mean, there's just there's no other,

788
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: no way to describe it. Whether you're working at Starbugs

789
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: or running a company, you know, if you're giving love

790
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: to this world, then you're in that flow of that

791
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: God light. So sometimes it's just a matter of um

792
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 1: giving and serving this world that can reconnect us to

793
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: to our own happiness. Yeah, they say services the coin

794
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: of spirit. Yes, I believe. I believe that when we

795
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: do give, we receive, Or even if we're having a

796
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: bad day, you take the focus off yourself and focus

797
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: on doing something for someone else and it comes back

798
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: to his ten times And oh yeah, definitely. Did you

799
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: ever end up running your ten k? I did next year? Yeah,

800
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: the next year. Wow, my friends were out on the

801
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: streets clapping for me. It was kind of like a

802
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: big deal. You know, of course, be that broken and

803
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: then then run the race the next year. So I

804
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: did have a full recovery and that was great. That's

805
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: miraculous with the angels help. So did you welcome people

806
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: getting in touch with you? I know, definitely definitely. And

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00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: your website is it's Trisia Barker Indie dot com perfect

808
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: and Trisia, I really want to thank you for being

809
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: our guest today. Oh thank you. I've loved it and

810
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: love her show. Oh thanks. It's really great for me

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00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: and for all of us to hear your story because

812
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: love is the answer, you know, um, and I love

813
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: your advice. Go out in nature. I've got an hour

814
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: off between between now and my next call, so it's

815
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: a beautiful, sunshiny day. I'm going to go sit back

816
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: outside on a bench and look at a tree and

817
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: listen to the birds. Awesome. I love it. Now for

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00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: our listeners, don't go anywhere just yet. I'm wondering if

819
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Speaker 1: you'd love to try and experiment with me. I know

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00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: how easy it is to have negative thoughts, But what

821
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: if we catch our negative thoughts and we replace them

822
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: with something else, maybe something that we're grateful for. So

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00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: here's what I'm proposing, is that we keep a notebook

824
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: handy or the notepad that's on your computer or phone

825
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: or iPad and pay attention to our thinking. Now, the

826
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: second part of this is I heard this past week

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Speaker 1: someone say how often do we talk to our soul?

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Speaker 1: And that's a concept that I really never thought of. Now.

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00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: I believe we have guides that we talked to, but

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00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: I also know from some of my automatic writing exercises

831
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: and other practices that we do have this divine soul

832
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: that is gathering experiences and knowledge, and that is really

833
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: really wise. When you have a question, ask your soul.

834
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: Now this may sound really silly, but you know those

835
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: really big, tall, skinny trees that they have in Italy. Well,

836
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: I had taken a trip there many years ago, and

837
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: for the last two days I couldn't think of the

838
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: name of the tree. Yesterday when I heard this, how

839
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: often do we talk to our soul? I decided to say, Soul,

840
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: what's the name of that tree? And all of a

841
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: sudden it came into my mind, Cyprus, just like that.

842
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: So in this experiment, I say, we have a conversation

843
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: with our soul and really direct, like, Soul, could you

844
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: help me with this? And the third thing is, like

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00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: Tricia said, we can journal. We can kind of rewrite

846
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: our history. Now I'm not saying from the very beginning,

847
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, before you go

848
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: to bed, no matter what happened, what if you write

849
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: down today was a great day. You may embellish a

850
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: little bit about how great it was if it wasn't

851
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: feeling that way, But see if we can rewrite history

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