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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Oh it's the thirteenth of the month.

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Speaker 1: Cashier checks in. Get up, everybody? Hi, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: It's episode whatever the fuck number? Here on Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: I am merely one half of your hosting duo. I

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Speaker 1: join you from the capital of the Stata Junitos right

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Speaker 1: here in Washington, DC. As always, though, I am joined

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Speaker 1: by my editorial hetero life mate, my friend in yours.

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Speaker 1: He is the King of Connecticut in all likelihood. No,

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Speaker 1: you know what, it's not anymore now it's the other guy,

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Speaker 1: Alex Paeda, but he's the honorary king of Connecticut. It's

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian Campbell. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm fired up, Luke, fired the hell up. Look before

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Speaker 2: we get too d been to the show. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, we do take some big swings in these parts.

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Speaker 3: Luke.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you referring to the big old You took your

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Speaker 1: balls out last week, you laid them on the table

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Speaker 1: and you were.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, Well, when you have the balls to speak

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Speaker 2: what you feel, regardless of whether whether you feel is accurate,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have a cleanup on IL eight every once

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Speaker 2: in a while. So, Luke, not every day is Woodley

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Speaker 2: till day? Right? Not every day we can call Francis

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Speaker 2: will wrestle. But I do want to tell you very

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Speaker 2: quickly what I did call correctly, that Aspinall would win

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Speaker 2: due to handspeed by knockout and that Poeton's counter left

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Speaker 2: I get that we have to read the headlines first,

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Speaker 2: and Luke minus four fifty is one hell of a

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Speaker 2: headline after that biting that on Old Bow.

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Speaker 1: I was very surprised about this because I didn't I

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Speaker 1: I didn't even really remember that you had said it.

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Speaker 1: But boy, the fans did, the viewers did, the listeners did?

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Speaker 1: If my mentions were full of dude, you got to

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Speaker 1: kill Brian on Monday, what were your DMS and mentions

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Speaker 2: Oh? They were great. They were mostly humorous and sloppy,

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Speaker 2: but people were definitely coming for me. I see, uh,

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Speaker 2: Friends of the show haters alike. But what I really

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Speaker 2: this right off the top. This pay per view this

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Speaker 2: weekend UFC two ninety five was freaking fantastic from start

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Speaker 2: to finish. Five KOs in the five bout main card,

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Speaker 2: and I did get a lot of people going, Hey BC,

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Speaker 2: how's your sky is falling about two twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: this was an awful year. Hey guys, just as happy

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Speaker 2: absolutely brilliant because I get to cover it from my

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Speaker 2: there weren't other issues going on this year. But if

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Speaker 2: for NYC, this has inject me. This is absolutely what

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Speaker 2: we needed, Luke, true or false? And I do this

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Speaker 2: absolute bullshit. True, it's cards like this that make all

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Speaker 2: those APEX fight nights with all on Wikipedia paged Dana

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Speaker 2: White Contender series graduates worth it. Right, It really is,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it makes it worth it, but

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Speaker 1: How often can you say that I watched a great

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a lot to get to you here.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we got MERCHBC, you got BC's hat, you

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Speaker 2: What do you got?

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Speaker 1: Do you do you also have an MK shirt?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I got a tribute to the great

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Speaker 2: Tell RJ that we sent you that way. He'll hook

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Speaker 2: you up very nice. Ten percent off everything, Luke, including

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Speaker 2: that disgusting piece of clothing you're wearing across your chest.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with my shirt?

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Speaker 2: I mean it does scream some certain things, Luke it

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Speaker 1: I had a jacket on. I had a jacket on unzipped.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's really the really nice message you're giving

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Speaker 1: In that area.

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Speaker 2: But you know that's not.

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Speaker 1: Which one is it?

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Speaker 2: Wait? Which part of it?

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Speaker 2: I think they hated me for a few reasons, Loup.

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Speaker 2: But I'm over it already. It's not like I bring

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Speaker 1: Your nation's capital, BC. I pick up my car today.

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Speaker 1: How great is that? Right?

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Speaker 2: Ah? That is so good? That is so good.

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Speaker 1: I had comprehensive insurance. They paid for everything. They rekeeat it,

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Speaker 1: I mean so at a bare minimum, unwashed people slept

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Speaker 1: Dougle gang bang. Surely a gentleman of that moniker would

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Speaker 1: it all worked out in the end.

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Speaker 2: How nice it did all work out in the end.

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to zoom out a little bit there, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I was eating the screen.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay. Let's remind folks as well, you

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Speaker 1: want to email the show Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: BC and I will not see it, but the producers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you're going to show your piece, understand

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Speaker 1: And you've already seen all the socials. Let's just set

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Speaker 1: this up BC before we get to topic number one.

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Speaker 1: If you are a longtime viewer of this show or

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Speaker 1: and BC in particular is very good about this drinking

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Speaker 1: ag one for what would you say, BC? Now, I

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Speaker 2: We've been in a relationship with AG one that's longer

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Speaker 2: than most of your sexcapades, Luke.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, eh yeah, homeless banging, begging in my

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Speaker 1: In fairness to another gentleman who will talk about later.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the the achievement that he has produced is extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: gonna put together both his natural physical abilities.

434
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:31,959
Speaker 5: Right.

435
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: They call them hands of stone, That's what Boaton means allegedly,

436
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 1: and you add in his great skill that he has developed,

437
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 1: you just don't have much of a margin of error

438
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 1: for him with him, it's just not there's just very

439
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: very little there. His ability with a single strike or

440
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: a single moment in a fight to immediately turn or

441
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: end the contest is amazing BC. What did he land

442
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 1: three leg kicks before Prohatchka was switching stance and clearly

443
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 1: hobbling three I mean, this is what I mean. He

444
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: with just a single moment in a fight, everything begins

445
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 1: to change and now guys have to go to BA

446
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 1: game plans or see game plans. This is such an

447
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: important ingredient in understanding we see why he is so successful.

448
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 1: He can turn a fight off, or he can turn

449
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 1: its direction like that, like that, and not just with power,

450
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: with skill as well. However, we should say something too

451
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: here wee. I'm sorry, I just want to finish the point,

452
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: so I don't want to in any way undermine what

453
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 1: he represents. It's a level of kickboxing, they're Frankly, we

454
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: are lucky to be able to get to watch in

455
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: MMA and the style translated so well from kickboxing. I

456
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: could go on and on about it, but there is

457
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: another reality here, which is how if someone asked a question,

458
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: how hard is it to get two titles in the UFC,

459
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, hey, it's pretty difficult. You gotta be really,

460
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: really good. But it also goes to show you the

461
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: fact that he did it in seven fights. If someone

462
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: else was telling me this on Twitter, like he had

463
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: a built in rivalry already ahead of him, that kind

464
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: of fast tracked his matchmaking, and the disarray at two

465
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: oh five also opened up some doors that probably weren't there.

466
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: I just want to point out there are other factors

467
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: that go into being a two weight world champion, and

468
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: part of it is is how much does the UFC

469
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: see you there, how much does the UFC want to

470
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: push that, how much do they offer that kind of

471
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: an opportunity, So you do you have to be next

472
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: level fucking talented to make good on it, one billion percent,

473
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: and he did everything that was asked of him. But

474
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: it also should be a reminder to us that there's

475
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of capriciousness with it, where if the

476
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: wins are at your back, you can have so many

477
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 1: great opportunities. If they're not, it can be harder. Last thing,

478
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,719
Speaker 1: B see he has gone through who Here's who he's

479
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: fought in the UFC. Andre Mcalitis, Bruno Silva Shan Strickland twice,

480
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 1: Isy Jan and Yeerie. He's yet to face someone with wrestling.

481
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: He's yet to do that. Like if John Jones or

482
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: even DC were still at two zero five, I have

483
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: a feeling they would probably ragged all him. There is

484
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: something to be said, uh, not the current John Jones,

485
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: but like the John Jones at his peak or something right,

486
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: is something to be said for the state of the

487
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: division that has allowed him to threat a very unusual needle.

488
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I opened saying those exact same things

489
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 2: that it was the timing of the opportunism. It took

490
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: this division kind of falling apart and him walking right

491
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: into it. But he had to beat Ymbohovich by split decision,

492
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 2: which he did brutalizing the calfkicks. But you know, it's

493
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: like you mentioned such a key part about him as

494
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: his ability to change the tone of the fight with

495
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: one strike he either end it or just completely kind

496
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: of disable his opponent. But he can never get to

497
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 2: that point. And I'm talking particularly about his first MMA

498
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: fight without Asania. If he doesn't have those other intangible

499
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: so damn wired up. I mean, first and foremost, Luke,

500
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: the amount of people that are going to be able

501
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: to pull off the weight cut that he does, something

502
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: like what like forty five pounds and be able to

503
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: go five hard rounds recovering from nearly getting knocked out

504
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: by Atasanya in the first round of their first MMA meeting,

505
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: and to be able to keep his head, his poise,

506
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: his focus, and to just chip away and slowly build

507
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: this spider web in this trap. That takes something extra

508
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: extra special because other people can design a game plan

509
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: like that, even fewer can execute a game like plan

510
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: like that. But sometimes Luke, only a handful can execute that.

511
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: Amid Duress Amid, you know, world elite and in this

512
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: case an all time great in Autosnia, not this case

513
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: this fight, but but when I'm referencing here, so yeah,

514
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: he needed timing, He needed opportunity. So did Henry Sahudo.

515
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: To your point about the UFC deciding we could see

516
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: you as a two division champion. I remember specifically being like, man,

517
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: I love Sahudo, but that's really early to allow him

518
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: to fight Dila Shaw Or they didn't end up fighting

519
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: at bandweight, they fought first to fly weight, but you

520
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: get my point of what they ended up giving him

521
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: the vacant Bannamway title shot, and you know, for a

522
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: short window. If Volkanovsky was still champion at one forty five,

523
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: and if Shudo hadn't just lost in his comeback title bid,

524
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: he might have been fighting for a third division title two.

525
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: But he only would have done even at that point

526
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: with timing and opportunity, because maybe it's a shorter or

527
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: smaller champion in Volkanowski. And some people like me, not you, Luke,

528
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: but like me, could imagine a scenario where Suhudo is competitive. Yes,

529
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: it takes timing, opportunity the company to buy in, but

530
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: if you look back fight after fight and see what

531
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: Poton has actually done to each of these foes, I

532
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 2: get your point. Maybe not a wrestler, which is why

533
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: I'd love to see him against Anklajev eventually if he

534
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: can keep this belt to really solve that side of it.

535
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: But Luke, if his ground game was that awful, it

536
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: would have been badly exposed right by now. But the

537
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: fact that he is so quickly adding to certain key

538
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: holes in his game, like takedown defense, like even in

539
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: that first round against Perhatska when he got taken down late,

540
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: He's got a forearm in his throat. No panic though,

541
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: right and he nearly sinked in. Also a pretty deep

542
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: guillotine on Yeurie, which also shows the evolution of his game.

543
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: I want to see what happens now, not just three

544
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 2: years in with Glover. What does this guy look at

545
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: the five year mark with Glover? Now there is a

546
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: clock ticking with the fact that he's thirty six, But

547
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: he's a light heavyweight. It's a little more forgiving than

548
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: the rest of the divisions, not as forgiving as heavyweight

549
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: in terms of lingering late and still being a viable player.

550
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: But it's weird to talk about a thirty six year

551
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: old fighter just now coming into like the full level

552
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: of stardom and recognition and also know that like he's

553
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: not done yet, He's not done getting better, he's not

554
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: done getting savvier. Imagine what this guy can continue to do.

555
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: I said coming into this fight, the one thing we

556
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: needed in this division. We don't know if we have

557
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: it now, but the one thing we needed potentially in

558
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: this division is like some stability, some consistency, somebody to

559
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: come up out and say, look, I'm the champion, I'm

560
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: gonna defend it. A couple times, and I'm not gonna

561
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: get injured by the way and be forced to strip

562
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: and be forced to vacate the title. Maybe he's that guy, Luke.

563
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 2: We don't know. He's got a lot of potential big

564
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: matchups to spin out of here. But I just can't believe,

565
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: like the same guy that we watched debut two years

566
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: ago in the UFC is already here. And when I

567
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: say here, I don't mean on this platform with two titles.

568
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean more that his game so quickly evolved to

569
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: this level where this was even possible because the guy

570
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: we saw against Bruno Silva just didn't have the experience

571
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: that the you know, the everything who how could we

572
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: have expected him to But he's still found a way

573
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: to win that fight, right. I mean it's like this

574
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: guy is super special in areas that immediately don't jump

575
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: out at you, but yet the ones that do jump

576
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: out at you. His frightening power, his demeanor, the way

577
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: he carries himself. I mean, look, am I allowed am

578
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: I about to say this and I want to know

579
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: if you agree. I don't know if there's a cooler

580
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: fighter in the world right now. Like this guy's marketing

581
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: attack the last like six months to a year, even

582
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: with the n out lost to Atasania in their rematch. Dude,

583
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: he's like the coolest because he represents a badass to

584
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: those that only care about that. He's got this funny

585
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: sense of humor along with Glover and the stone statues

586
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: and all that. He's got badass tattoos, a badass dance

587
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: on the way in that honors his heritage. Yeah, this

588
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: guy's pretty much awesome right now.

589
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think he's probably Yeah, he's

590
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: up there. He's up there with one of the coolest

591
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: fighters alive, certainly in terms of his ability to cross

592
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: cultures and languages too. That's an interesting thought. Yeah, you

593
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: might be right about that. He really has kind of

594
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: earned the respect. Yeah, I mean, I think you had

595
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: the respect of the fan base for some time, but

596
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: he's really earned their admiration. I think beyond that as well,

597
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: I would quibble a little bit with the ground game stuff.

598
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: Definitely better since the Bruno Sulva fight definitely better. I mean, dude,

599
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: Glover Tshera has a great ground game training with him.

600
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: And also I think you're right, like Padeda is built

601
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: for combat, Like he has the mental kind of stamina

602
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: and as well as the focus and the predisposition to

603
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: just whatever you know, form of combative sports he would

604
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: have picked. He probably would have been good at, maybe

605
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: not wrestling because of his body type. But you get

606
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: the idea, like he is built for conflict. He is

607
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: built for physical conflict. And you know he has definitely

608
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: gotten better. But if you go and watch the way

609
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: in which he got up underneath YERI when he did

610
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: get up, Now the good news is he got up

611
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: like that was great, like getting up and then you know,

612
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: I think there was like twenty seconds left in the

613
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: round or something that was great. He did have an

614
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: underhook to start and then abandon it and didn't even

615
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: use a frame, just kind of put his hand on

616
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: top of Yurie. Like dude, Daniel Cormier would thrash you

617
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: for that. He would thrash you for that, Like he

618
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: would absolutely throw you by, pick you up and then

619
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: slam me right up back on your back. So, like,

620
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, we have to have some understanding about what

621
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: the nature is of what he's up against. Nevertheless, nevertheless,

622
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I think the point you raise at thirty six for

623
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: this divis vision. His striking is so fucking formidable. I

624
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: don't know who in that division would catch him. We'll

625
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: talk about that in a second. But if he can

626
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: keep working on the other pieces of his game, and

627
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: remember BC, he doesn't really have to attack with his

628
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: ground game, He just has to survive and defend. And

629
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: he's obviously gotten much much better at that. Dude, he's

630
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: already won a title with what he has. I mean,

631
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: just noodle that, Like, it's very to me. His ground

632
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: game is still very green and he won a title

633
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: with it. Imagine how good he's gonna be when he

634
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: gets his ground game to be like decent or even good,

635
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: he'll be unstoppable.

636
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 2: Well if they unless the clock runs out on him.

637
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, yes, when he put that joke on Yurie

638
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: and they were debating on the broadcast how deep it

639
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: was and eventually fell apart. But it was like that

640
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: was like a light bulb, like, oh, what if he

641
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: can start adding viable submission attacks in the midst of it.

642
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's wild, Luke.

643
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: Remember it's something is he hasn't really done right. We've

644
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: talked about that, like what could he have done different

645
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: than the Sean Strickland find one thing. I was like,

646
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: he just kept playing the same stand up game over

647
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: and over and he didn't have another gear to go to.

648
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: If Poeton can start developing other gears, because guys either

649
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: want to be all the way out or all the

650
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: way in with him, and he starts finding space there, dude,

651
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna tear people to pieces. Now, let me ask

652
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: this question. Someone asked me this over the weekend, and

653
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: I was like, it sounds crazy to even contemplate it,

654
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: but we have to contemplate it. Does he belong in

655
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: the UFC Hall of Fame?

656
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I say, right right, No matter what, if he

657
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: never fought again under the very liberal rule set the

658
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: UFC has, he obviously fits it. But I think even overall,

659
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: if you if the UFC Hall of Fame, as we

660
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: always say, was using the same stringent standards of the

661
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball or the or the Pro Football Hall

662
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: of Fame in kant Ohio, he'd get into because there's

663
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: nine people that have done this, that have won titles

664
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: in two divisions. And like I said, if he, you know,

665
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: decides to retire tomorrow, look at this the names in

666
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: a in a six session that he's defeated. Yeah, Luke,

667
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: this doesn't happen. This doesn't happen unless you're you know you.

668
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: You can only be lucky for so long. This doesn't

669
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: happen unless you're also you know, also incredible and also

670
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: lucky in the timing and everything we got into, let's

671
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: not forget one part also about what the intangibles are

672
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: make him great. Remember that stared down him and Yon

673
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 2: hadd I'm sorrying not not Yon Yeary and Poeton had

674
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: on Saturday at the start of the intros that led

675
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 2: all the way to the start of the fight. I mean,

676
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: that's sort of like Yeerie's bag. He does the whole

677
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: samurai thing, but that's who Poton is. At the same time,

678
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: like like, I don't know, there's something about that that

679
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: scares me and excites me at the same time, not

680
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: necessarily in an erotic way, Luke, but more in like,

681
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: h like, I'm equally scared and I want to be

682
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: this man, but I know I can't because I'm not.

683
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: I don't have the same blood type as him, because

684
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: he has this blood type that's called fucking badass, Lucy.

685
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: That's right right before the you know they even do

686
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: even when they were opposites of the cage, but right

687
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: before they were receiving their instructions, woh insane intensity. I

688
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: want to talk about what could be next for Poton.

689
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Then we'll circle back to Yeri for just a second,

690
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: but with Poton. So here's what kind of surprised me

691
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: a little bit. Maybe it shouldn't have. I don't know.

692
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: I guess I just wasn't expecting it, he wins. They

693
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: put the microphone in his face. I saw a translated

694
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: video of what he said. And what he said was

695
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: he referenced an old interview from I think roughly twenty

696
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: twenty yes, where Izzy had said in talking about Padeta, Hey,

697
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: this guy is going to be forgotten. He's going to

698
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: be on some bar talking about who he was. At

699
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: some point I thought that guy, but he's going to

700
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: be you know. The point being was is he was

701
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: going to be up here and Poton was going to

702
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: be down there when when all the dust settled, and

703
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,239
Speaker 1: it really hasn't gone that way. In fact, he kind

704
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: of joked about it and said, you know, I want

705
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: to talk. I want to fight the guy who got

706
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: me out of the bar. I want to fight Izzy

707
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: a fourth time. And then his first English words were isy,

708
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: was it come to daddy or who's your dad?

709
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: Or you're going to see it? And have you seen

710
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: this shit? But it's one of the coldest call of

711
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: all time.

712
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: It is.

713
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: It is good, it's very daddy.

714
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no denying it was great. The translater didn't

715
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, quite get the spirit of it when I

716
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: read the transcript. But okay, question is this PC? Now?

717
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: My personal view is when Jamal Hill is ready, there

718
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: should be no obstruction. It doesn't matter who the champ is,

719
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: Jamal Hill versus that guy. But we don't exactly know

720
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: when that's going to happen. So what's a better fight? Poetson?

721
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: Is he five or three depending on how you want

722
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: to count it, or Poetson versus Jamal Hill in just

723
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: waiting for him to return? What do we do with him?

724
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: It says Pereira, is he four in our rundown?

725
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: Luke?

726
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: So depending on the metrics, you're using this third.

727
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: Fight the fifth overall, But you get the idea, all right,

728
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: This is a.

729
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: Tough situation because Jamal Hill did the same thing that

730
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: the company asked YERI to do, which is you suffered

731
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: a serious injury that's going to slow down this division

732
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: that's already in full freaking house on fire chaos, although

733
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: let me hedge that by saying the chaos has also

734
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: produced really fun chaos. I mean, look, I can name

735
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: you the last five, six, seven light heavyweight title fights,

736
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: and except for that uncle iav. Blkhovich fight, they're pretty

737
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: much all freaking badass. Okay, this has been awesome, but

738
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: Hill did what was expected of him because they made

739
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: year and do the same thing. So what should be

740
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: his prize? When he's healthy? He should get the first

741
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: title shot. And I'm here to tell you that, whether

742
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: it's Pereira versus Hill, or even if they did Perira

743
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: versus Prohatska two, based on that somewhat questionable stoppage that

744
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: will get to You're still not gonna lose there because

745
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: it's all action. But Luke, let's be really honest here. Yes,

746
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: there are times, you know, I didn't love bisping Henderson

747
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: too when Dan was forty six and they went to

748
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: England for that there, But there are times when fights

749
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: make sense, when storylines make sense. I'm not against Cheeto

750
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: getting the title shot right now, I'm just not the

751
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: storyline connects and it makes sense even though I understand

752
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: that's hard for Corey san Hagen or anyone else in

753
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: that spot, but April is UFC three hundred, and I

754
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: get that is he has said I'm gonna need some

755
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: time and may not come back for a couple of years.

756
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: But how bad has this poeton? He just came out

757
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: with one of the coldest callouts to a dude who

758
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: just knocked him the fuck out in one of the

759
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: most inspirational, dramatic comeback victories after being you know, stopped

760
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: months earlier that we've ever seen. Yet he's still like,

761
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: I know the overall score, I know that I'm up

762
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: three to one on you, yet you just scored the

763
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: last one. But look at all the history I'm making

764
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: while you're sitting out. Let's run it back and do it.

765
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: You only get so many times to have a card

766
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: like UFC three hundred that I really hope and I

767
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: do expect, because the UFC, as we saw again here

768
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: on Saturday, when it's time to step up, to live

769
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: and deliver in the big moments, they either try their

770
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 2: best or most of the time they come through rights.

771
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: It's some of the other moments this calendar year that

772
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: we've been unhappy with, but in the big moments they deliver,

773
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: it's gonna have to be the type of fights that

774
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: are extra special that you wouldn't normally see Pereira versus

775
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: Izzy four for the or five or seven or wherever

776
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: we are really wherever we are in the math with

777
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: the light heavyweight title at stake, which is a new

778
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 2: wrinkle to the rivalry. Dude, it's the fight to make

779
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: right now, and I hate that for Jamal Hill because

780
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: he's done nothing wrong. He came in and filled in right.

781
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 2: Remember they did that Jamal Hill versus Glover fight less

782
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: than a month after the Nkalai of Blahovich bomb. Right,

783
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: they're just looking for a champion. Jamal Hill Stepp didn't

784
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: fill that. But Luke, sometimes when business is in front

785
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: of you, you could argue, there's no rush for Pereira

786
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: and is he to do it again? Let's let Izzy

787
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: come back when he's ready, or you can say, look,

788
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: it's UFC three hundred, all hands on deck, let's call Izzy,

789
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: Let's tell him the price that we're willing to pay here,

790
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 2: and let's ask him to move up and wait. Dana

791
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: kind of shot it down afterwards and was like, well, No,

792
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: Perero's at two five is he isn't. Let's be obvious here,

793
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 2: is he has already cleaned out the middleweight division multiple times.

794
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 2: I know he's not the current champion right now. I

795
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: just lost it. I get that. But he's already cleaned

796
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: out that division. He's getting toward his mid to late thirties.

797
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: The window's not wide open anymore. We've seen him before.

798
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: Contemplate going up to two o five. He did not

799
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: performed poorly against Blahovich and losing that title shot. What

800
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: if he had time now, I'm not gonna have the

801
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: time to reform his body if they run this back

802
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: in April. But is that enough time for Izzy to

803
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: clear his head from the loss to Strickland, which he

804
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: wasn't knocked out, but he was thoroughly dominated. Yeah, it

805
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: might be Luke. This might be the time. This rivalry

806
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: is so damn great across kickboxing MMA. And even though

807
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: this fight on Saturday in a lot of ways didn't

808
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: involve is he the fact that Poeton in this moment,

809
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: he could have been like fu, is he? I don't

810
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: need you anymore? I just lapped you historically, see you later.

811
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: I'll be getting in the Hall of Fame before you

812
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: and know he's like unfinished business. Come see, Daddy, Let's

813
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: do it again for my new prize. Yeah, you gotta

814
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: break glass in case of emergency. This is one of

815
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: those emergencies where this fight, this rivalry is just so

816
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: freaking special. It's got commercial attachments to it, it's got

817
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: elements of inspirational comebacks needed, and the fact that both

818
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: of them in the last year have suffered knockout losses

819
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: against each other that were devastating. Yeah, I'm sorry, Jamal Hill.

820
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: This is the fight to make right now. Maybe we

821
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: can guarantee Jamal Hill to get the winner of that.

822
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm totally down with that. But if it's gonna be

823
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: UFC three hundred, this is the fight. If it's gonna

824
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: be any other dat or event, let's get Jamal up

825
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: in the bullpen. What do you think about that, Luke?

826
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: I I think I largely agree. I don't want to

827
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: make Hill wait again. I don't know what his return is.

828
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: By the way, correct me if I'm wrong. Hill has

829
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: an achilles injury he's trying to fix right, and I think, yeah, okay.

830
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: So though usually like Durant, it took him like eleven

831
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: months or something like that. Did you see that Aaron

832
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: Rodgers might be back in December?

833
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is this a misdiagnosis by the doctor or are

834
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: they assuming are they attempting to say that maybe he

835
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: was that he himself was misleading the public on how

836
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: hard he was. Where's the truth there?

837
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I also know that, or at least

838
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: what he had presented to the public, was that that

839
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: he had some kind of novel surgery from one of

840
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: the best medical doctors and surgeons in this particular field.

841
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: I I don't really know how to explain it because

842
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody who can come back that quickly

843
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: from an Achilles' tear. So the point I'm trying to

844
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: make is I don't know what Jamal Hill's turnaround time is.

845
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: It's a little bit unclear. Also, we should say I

846
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: don't know what is he's turnaround time is. He just

847
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: was like, I need a break, and I kind of

848
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: agree that he does. At the same time, B see,

849
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: what is my usual objection when two guys from a

850
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: different weight class try to have their rivalry in the

851
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: next one, or when someone from a different weight class

852
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: comes in and then tries to have a rivalry that

853
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: the rest of the division can't get in on it.

854
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, it's not fair to the rest

855
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: of those guys. Like if Volkanovsky gone to one to

856
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: fifty five and kept getting rematches or something, you'd be like, Okay,

857
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: well what about the rest of those guys. But at

858
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: two o five, they're really like, aside from Jamal Hill,

859
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: who's the guy that you're chomping at the bit to

860
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: see get a title shot. Now, maybe if Johnny Walker

861
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: beats on Calive, we can start talking about that, and

862
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: I know they have a fight scaled, want to think

863
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: in February or so coming back up, so we can

864
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: get to that conversation. Then I'm just pointing out it's

865
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: not like at two o five there's like two or

866
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: three or four guys who are like right at the top,

867
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: who are you know, you really earned it, you really

868
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: want to see him, You got to see that. This

869
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: thing rotate through two o five just is kind of

870
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: a shit show, And so it creates these opportunities to

871
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: do these other things. I just would say, though, as

872
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: a moment of caution, bce the fourth excuse me, the

873
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: fifth or third fight. However, you want to describe it

874
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: between these two I think would be amazing, but we don't.

875
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: Even if two O five is in a state of disrepair.

876
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: And even if I agree a one time indulgence in

877
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: this case might actually work, treating this division this way

878
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: long term, I think would be a disservice to it.

879
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: I think you can make an exception for something like this, yes,

880
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't want to see long term absentee landlordism

881
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: so to speak, at two o five.

882
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: But again, as UFC three hundred, if this is the case,

883
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: a special circumstance, a monster special so you know, and

884
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: I think it's the same thing for Izzy, even if

885
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: his intention was to take time off to heal, to

886
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: maybe slow play a body transformation and a build up

887
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: to two five, if he gets that call and it's

888
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: a certain amount of money, it's gonna depend on him

889
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: because I don't know if you saw, but he did

890
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: respond on social media to the call out from Perera

891
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: and basically put a picture of Pereerra knocked out from

892
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: their first fight, put the elsa frozen long hair on

893
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 2: him and just wrote let it go, which plays into

894
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: the humor that is he usually tries to bring to it.

895
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: But look, this isn't a unique scenario where even though

896
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: Poton's the leader in the rivalry, even though he just

897
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: secured Monster history when currently is he is title less?

898
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: Is he owns the most recent chapter against them? Do

899
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: you think all those facts I just laid out. I

900
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: know that you don't know, But do you think that

901
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: could lead Izzy to say yes to this? Because even

902
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: though he's coming off a win, the history that Poton

903
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: just did, the attention that he's getting, that's gotta eat

904
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: at Izzy because he is. He was just we were

905
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: just calling him and he is. He is one of

906
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: the greatest fighters of all time. Nothing changes here from

907
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 2: this loss as strictly to my mind, maybe not upper room,

908
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: but is he one of the greatest fighters we've ever seen? Well, now,

909
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: he could one up Pooton in the most direct way

910
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: by equaling his two division championship state historically, by taking

911
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: that second title from him, and by taking the lead

912
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: in their at least in their MMA rivalry two to one.

913
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: I guess you know he lost the two kickboxing fights

914
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 2: before that, so Pooton still has the larger overall lead.

915
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: I mean, look, maybe these guys will fight forever and

916
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: be in BKFC in their forties and bare Knuckle Game

917
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: Bred MMA in their fifties. I don't know, but for

918
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: right now, if you're Iusy and you are the true competitor,

919
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: we know that he is your biggest enemy. Just had

920
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: a fricking moment, and then he tried to piss on

921
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: you in the microphone afterwards to lure you back where

922
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: I come from. Luke, you answer the phone and you

923
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: come back there and you get to get him back,

924
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: and you ruin his night again. If I'm Iusy, I

925
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: take this, dude, I take this. This is a unique scenario.

926
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: You gotta take it. For money, for fame, for respect,

927
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: for legacy, you gotta take it.

928
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds nice. It's just hard to know

929
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: what is he wants or what he doesn't. But what

930
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: I would say is this if this was just Poeton

931
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: at two oh five getting a big win, Like imagine

932
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: this was the co main event, non title, right, and

933
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: so you're like, Wow, he just beat the former champ.

934
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: That's so great, But there's no belt on the line.

935
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: Is he doesn't take it? But the belt being on

936
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: the line right changes the entire conversation, entire conversation. It's

937
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: not about bragging rights at two oh five in the

938
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: same way that it would be under the previous scenario

939
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: that I mentioned. It would be the belt he didn't

940
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: get the first time against yan Bohovich. It would be

941
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: to your point, adding on to this legacy where he

942
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: would have the edge in MMA against a storied rival.

943
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: It would also be another fighter who's not going to

944
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: take him down. You know, there's you know, I know

945
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: he took him down the first time they fought in MMA,

946
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: but you know, in all likelihood it's probably not going

947
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: to take him down, so to creates some interesting opportunities there.

948
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: But the title being on the line, to me is

949
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: the one that changes the conversation. Again, don't know what

950
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: is he wants, we can't know, but the fact that

951
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: he is the belt holder there and a storied rival

952
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: in a division where he tried and couldn't get there before,

953
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: I think it does change the equation. You see, we

954
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: got to move it along here just a little bit.

955
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to say the argument that Jamal

956
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: Hill would have to face, unfortunately, was that he won

957
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: the title in such secondary or almost third manner because

958
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: Prahatska got injured and gave up the belt, and then

959
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: there was a fight between two guys ranked higher than

960
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: him that ended in a draw. They didn't get a

961
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: rematch with the title. And then he got to fight

962
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: the former champion in his forties, and to his credit,

963
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: he won an absolute crazy fight. He dominated it, but

964
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: it was a sick, crazy fight. But he is somewhat

965
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: Johnny Um late and take you gotta step aside sometimes

966
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: for big business. It's just how this sport works.

967
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: Because this, I mean, for a guy who had again

968
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: not his fault about how he got the title and

969
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: then got injured. I don't know when he's ready. It's him.

970
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: That's just as simple as I can say it for me.

971
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: Last question on this, we thought there was after in

972
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: the aftermath, especially given how the commentary team had treated it.

973
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: Not saying I would have any of us would have

974
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: done better. It's just they're reacting in real time with

975
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: good or bad information. It seemed like there was going

976
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: to be a stoppage controversy, but yur Apra Haschka, to

977
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: his credit, has made sure to say not only was

978
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: I out, he has gone out of his way to

979
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: say that Mark Goddard was right specifically in those words,

980
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: B see no issue with the stoppage, right.

981
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 2: No, I think that that changes it what he said

982
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 2: right there. And I want to say this though, I'm

983
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: not mad at the announced team, because if somebody showed

984
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: you that replay with no context, you would say what

985
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: I think we all said in the moment last, you know,

986
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: on Saturday night, which was ah, man, that was a

987
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: little bit quick. Yeah, he was obviously either knocked out

988
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: or just heavily rocked. So I understood the stoppage watching

989
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: the replay, But watching the replay, it's like, ah, yeah, man,

990
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 2: unless he saw something we didn't, that looks too quick.

991
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: Turns out he did see something we didn't. And then

992
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: you add in the fact that Parhatska admits it, which

993
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: was so by the way, so humble. I like, you

994
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: love to see that. There was a lot of bushido

995
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: on this card overall, Like remember for Vola and Santini

996
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: doing a salute to them over their service. I mean,

997
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: there was a lot of moments like that where it's like, damn,

998
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: it's good to see people actually respect each other and

999
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: get along in that regard. It's not a controversy. And

1000
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: I have you seen those videos that some doctors do

1001
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: Luke where they break down and show you exactly the

1002
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: moment where Year he was knocked out, and you can

1003
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: tell by.

1004
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: The way he gets knocked out, he gets knocked out

1005
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: and then when he lands on his back he wakes

1006
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: back up basically.

1007
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, even if he wasn't officially knocked out,

1008
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: the referees have to make a freakin' you know, reaction

1009
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: call like that, and they always have to take the

1010
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: safety of the fighter first. Even if he wasn't knocked out,

1011
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: he was getting hit with about five or six elbows,

1012
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: defenseless and going down backwards. To me, that's grounds of

1013
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 2: stopping a fight, especially if it's Poeton. He's freaking burying

1014
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: you with those sharp elbows. So to me, it wasn't

1015
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: a controversy anyway. But I'm happy that Yeary did say

1016
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: that so we can move on because look, if he

1017
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: didn't say that, I think you could make an argument

1018
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: because that fight was so wild that you would want

1019
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 2: to run that matchup back. I think there's an argument

1020
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: there if it was if it was a controversy, right,

1021
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: if we didn't think after hearing all the facts that

1022
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: it's the right call. But I'm glad that we did

1023
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: hear all those facts.

1024
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I could see a case in the situation

1025
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: you're positing, but in the end you got great clarity

1026
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: from him. So great job by Poton, unbelievable. I mean,

1027
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: seven fights, He's probably gonna go into the UFC Hall

1028
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: of Fame. You'll never see anything like that.

1029
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: A great job by Mark Goddard as well. But Luke,

1030
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: what do you do you agree? When they asked Dana

1031
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: after the fight in the postfight press conference, do you

1032
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: think that Poton is now like one of the greatest

1033
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: fighters of all time? He was like, oh, hold on,

1034
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't know about greatest, And I get the spirit

1035
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 2: of what his answer is. Because he has seven fights

1036
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: in two years, how could you say he's one of

1037
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: the greatest fighters we've ever seen. But again, he won

1038
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: a title in two divisions, which only nine guys did,

1039
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: and the total caliber of the fighters that he has

1040
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: recently defeated. Sorry, Dana, he is one of the greatest fighters.

1041
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: I sell you what he is. He's a he's a

1042
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: he's a He delivers in big fights. I mean, I

1043
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: know he just lost to Izzy in his last middleweight contest,

1044
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: but in general, like when the stakes are high, that

1045
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: fucking guy delivers.

1046
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: Dude, he's Chewbacca. He's fucking.

1047
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: A Wookie. He's a Wookie. He's bout it about it,

1048
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: forget about it. I will see this though, Like when

1049
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: you look at his resume and we talked about him

1050
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of one uping is is he because he beats

1051
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: Sean Strickland and he did get the two of five title,

1052
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: and he did beat Yan. On the other hand, the

1053
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: thing that that that is he has over him is

1054
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: that staying power at middleweight. He did beat guys who

1055
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: are wrestler first. He did have to do it a

1056
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: couple of times with Robert Whitaker at a couple times

1057
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: with arv Inventory and blah blah blah. Like there's a

1058
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: certain amount of full auditing in the broad spectrum of

1059
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: his skills that tests that he passed that. To this point,

1060
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: even Polton has still not been tested again. So it's

1061
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: just such an interesting rivalry. Their very neck and neck

1062
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways, and very similar in

1063
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and indifferent too. It'll be curious

1064
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: to see what happens next.

1065
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: All right, one final statement on Jamal Hill. I want

1066
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: to ask you a quick question. In boxing, we have

1067
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: a thing when you get a mandatory opponent, but if

1068
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: you can't make your mandatory, you don't want to and

1069
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: you don't want to be stripped of the belt. The

1070
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: sanctioning bodies allow you to make a deal with that

1071
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: fighter who is the mandatory, where you can essentially pay

1072
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: him to be skipped for that one fight. We don't

1073
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: have that system in the UFC because it's so much

1074
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: more controlled by a single entity. But if Jamal got skipped,

1075
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: do you think it'd be acceptable that he would be

1076
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: paid step aside money by the promotion and then promise like, hey,

1077
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 2: you can come in the cage at three hundred. Whoever wins,

1078
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: you can go up and we'll do a face off

1079
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: and we'll let everybody know that your next No matter

1080
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: what I mean, that would evolve the UFC giving extra money.

1081
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: But Dana did give fifty k to everybody on this

1082
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: card that won as a celebration for the gate. And

1083
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to underscore what

1084
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: they did here. They now have one, two, and three

1085
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: in the biggest gates in the world's most famous arena's history. Yeah,

1086
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: that's huge, that's monster that's a success. Uh, let's pay

1087
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: this guy a little step aside cash you do you

1088
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 2: downe with that you work the line.

1089
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: I would say this. I've heard various Okay, so at

1090
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: times for like people to be like the backup fighter

1091
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: where you're cutting weight, which is not what you're positing.

1092
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: But I just want to point this out. I have

1093
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: talked to guys who have been offered to do backup

1094
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: deals for the UFC, and sometimes the money is so

1095
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: low you cannot imagine it. And then in other cases

1096
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: where guys took fights on like really short notice, like

1097
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,479
Speaker 1: week of or something like that, they got paid huge

1098
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: amounts of money. So I would say it would really

1099
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: really really have to depend on how much money they

1100
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: would pay him two step aside. But if they did

1101
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: that to a reasonable degree, I would be okay with

1102
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: that too. If Jamal himself was financially compensated in the

1103
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: interim and agreed to step aside, yes, I would not

1104
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: have an issue with that. I would not.

1105
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1106
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Beaters Association, a fighters union could could implement that, Luke, Yeah,

1107
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: that is true.

1108
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the topic number two, because

1109
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: we have another new belt holder in the UFC, and

1110
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: it goes by the name or he goes by the

1111
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: name I should say of Tom Aspinall. So BC, he

1112
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: within about a minute and eight or nine seconds just

1113
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: flatten Sergei Pavlovitch, although he did take one big left

1114
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: hook from him earlier in the rounds. I want to

1115
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: have the conversation this way again, BC, I'm gonna ask

1116
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: it this way. Is Tom Aspinall the best heavyweight in

1117
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: the world?

1118
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: We don't know. We don't know. And a lot of

1119
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: that goes back to the fact the point that I

1120
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: keep trying to hammer home to everyone that we have

1121
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: no idea who John Jones and heavyweight really is right now.

1122
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: And now you add in the injury additional layoff time.

1123
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: Great when for John over gone, but you know that

1124
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: was worst case scenario for Cerro. But what stops me

1125
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: from saying no and then laughing, because remember this is

1126
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: an interim title fight, last minute, right, I mean, I

1127
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: know Pavlovitch was cutting weight to be the backup, but

1128
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: still it was a last minute scenario. Is who Aspinall

1129
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: has shown himself to be, and that's arguably already the

1130
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: most well rounded, versatile heavyweight right now. And I want

1131
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: to take it even further, Luke, when cyril Gon originally

1132
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: started rising, some people were calling him heavyweight two point zero,

1133
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: like this new version of what it's possible, right, like

1134
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: middleweight quickness, switching stance, is footwork incredible. Well, even though

1135
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 2: cyril Gun has bounced back from a couple of defeats

1136
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 2: and had a good win and is still in striking distance,

1137
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: it hasn't panned out for him. I really think Aspinall,

1138
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: if anyone, is the real heavyweight two point zero, meaning

1139
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: this is what the future of the division will look like.

1140
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: The fact that we already know that Aspinall is this

1141
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: well rounded and dangerous, and you add that up with

1142
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: the fact that he has the shortest average fight time

1143
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: in UFC history, shows you right there how freaking great

1144
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: he is. We sometimes when when people and I'll even

1145
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: use Pavlovitch as an example, that six fight first round

1146
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 2: knockout streak that he brought into this fight, it kind

1147
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: of clouds us to knowing how good he really is.

1148
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 2: Same thing with Shane Carwin when he's blowing everybody away

1149
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: in the first round. I just punched the microphone, Luke,

1150
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: I'm so fired up right now. You don't really know

1151
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: who he is right until you see it. I'm actually

1152
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: happy for Aspinall here that he got rocked early, that

1153
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: he had to feel Pavlovitch's power and he adjusted, and

1154
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: then it came down to placement, timing, speed and power

1155
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: in those in the combinations. I don't know the answer

1156
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: to that, and none of us can be can can

1157
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: really be confident because John Jones is the greatest fighter

1158
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: of all time, and you're interview with Gordon Ryan just

1159
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: got me so bug eyed to the idea of what

1160
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: if John just trip down on his jesuits and just

1161
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: becomes a finisher there. It could still be John, it

1162
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: could be somebody else for all we know. But right now,

1163
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: what Tom Aspinal has done like, he did it the

1164
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: hard way. He did it after sitting out a year,

1165
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: right when he was about to break through with that

1166
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: big knee injury. He did it by coming back on

1167
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: short notice in this fight, and he did it by

1168
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: walking in there to really maybe the scariest guy in

1169
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: this entire sport. Now that and Gan Whu has exited

1170
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: briefly and he knocked him out at his own game,

1171
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 2: there's nothing Tom Aspinall can't do. It seems right, we've

1172
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: got to see him go three, four or five rounds

1173
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: at the title level and see if the stamina's there.

1174
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 2: But if you listen closely to his words, it turns out, Luke,

1175
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: that injury where he was off for a full year

1176
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: is actually the best thing that could have happened to

1177
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: his career because he identified the areas that he was

1178
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: not giving one hundred percent, that maybe he was being

1179
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: a little bit lazy here or there on his fitness,

1180
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: on his training all that. That was the wake up

1181
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: call that he needed to realize that, like, I could

1182
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: be great at this right now, and it can all

1183
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: be taken away. Those were his words in the pre

1184
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: fight interview. Coming in and look at what he did

1185
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: with the opportunity. It's commendable. But he did it, Luke,

1186
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: because he's super special. This is the This is the

1187
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: the blueprint of what the future of heavyweight, the slowest

1188
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: division in terms of you know, connecting with the future

1189
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 2: and evolving. This is the evolution right there. And he's

1190
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: a real good guy too. When he put the title

1191
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: around his dad's shoulder, his trainer and dedicated it to him, Dude,

1192
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: if you didn't if you didn't tear up, then you're

1193
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: made of stone, Luke, or maybe you were just really

1194
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: stoned and you were laughing at it. But you know,

1195
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: Chris Widman is still my boy, and mister and miss

1196
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: Aspinall is still my dad. Apparently, I don't know if

1197
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: the math ads up. My point is Aspinall very very

1198
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: fricking special. We don't you have nothing. Tell me the

1199
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 2: heavyweights off your hand, off the fingers on your hand,

1200
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: that have the well rounded ability in the history that

1201
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,959
Speaker 2: this guy has. Watch out, Luke. And I wasn't fully

1202
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: on board. I know Eric Nixon was. We've been playing

1203
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: that clip from March all over the place where he

1204
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: said on our show that Aspinall is going to be

1205
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: the next champion.

1206
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: He was right, Yeah, I mean I did know, and

1207
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: I think we all knew that Aspinall was more well

1208
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: rounded than Pavlovitch, but I just didn't know if he

1209
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: was going to pass that. Remember I did take a

1210
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: flyer on Pavlovich for okay, bet on the on the

1211
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: underdog line. Yes, because he's been doing really well, and

1212
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: you know there's some questions about you know, listen, beat

1213
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: he beat Ty Borah recently. Aspinall did. But it's like

1214
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: this is a very different can of worms. But then

1215
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: you watch them lock up and again he did take

1216
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: a bit of a left hook from Pavlovich. It's something

1217
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: you see and we talk about in boxing all the time. Dude,

1218
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: the foot speed of a guy like Aspinall, it's I mean,

1219
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: Pavlovich looked like a polar bear trying to ride a

1220
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: tricycle to find him, Like it was so awkward and weird. Meanwhile,

1221
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: the fleet of foot, quick movement and then his ability

1222
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: to cover distance with that one too is ridiculous. But

1223
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: you said something that I thought was kind of interesting,

1224
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's wrong, but I want to

1225
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: update it. You called him two point oh, I'm actually

1226
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: gonna call him three point zero. And the reason why

1227
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that is because, to me, like

1228
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: some asked me over the weekend, who can you think

1229
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: of a heavyweight rise like Aspinall's, which has basically been

1230
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: since he got to the UFC more or less flawless

1231
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: on the way to winning a title, more or less right,

1232
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: And that there's no perfect comparison, but the closest that

1233
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: I can think of, and I've really kind of thought

1234
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 1: this through. To me, Aspinall is basically the second coming

1235
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: of Kane Velaskez, Like when Caine came through. He was

1236
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: like this guy big for the weight class, like a

1237
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: real true heavyweight. He had knockout power, he could strike,

1238
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: he could obviously wrestle from his days at Arizona State. Now,

1239
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: he didn't have like the submission aspect of the game

1240
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: at that time, but at heavyweight you didn't really need

1241
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: it necessarily. So he was for his era very well

1242
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: rounded and solved for a lot of key problems that

1243
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: no one else did. Now, he did have the fight

1244
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: against chech Congo where he had to kind of wrestle

1245
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 1: him even though he won, which he didn't look great.

1246
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: But then he rebounded against you know when when he

1247
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: fought Nogara and whatnot, and then he beat brock Lesner.

1248
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: And I remember when he beat brack Lesner, I was like, dude,

1249
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: that's the next generation of heavyweight. I got a very

1250
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: similar feeling watching Aspinall do what he did. He is

1251
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 1: so well rounded, he is so athletic. He's young, which

1252
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we should really ever stop having a

1253
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: conversation about obviously until that changes, but I mean, how

1254
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: young he is relative to the rest of this division.

1255
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: He is a guy who is the heir to what

1256
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: Kane Velaskiz was during his era. This is the new version.

1257
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: This is the guy. And to answer the question I

1258
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: asked you, BC, is he the best headawave?

1259
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: You know?

1260
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: By the way, Francis had a great rise as well,

1261
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: up until he fought Steep in the kind of first

1262
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: time and kind of fell apart. There's lots of guys

1263
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: you could put kind of in that story a little bit.

1264
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the best heavyweight. I don't know,

1265
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: but I would say this, would you like his chances

1266
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: to beat John Jones? I think I would. Would you

1267
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: give him a decent chance of beating big Francis? I

1268
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: think I would. Certainly I would want to see both

1269
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: because it is unknowable. But at a bare minimum you

1270
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: would agree Hi intriguing at this time?

1271
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, the jiu jitsu aspect of it

1272
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: changes a lot because we've seen big punchers who can

1273
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: also wrestle. But he can do it all. You said, Kin,

1274
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: that's an interesting comparison. Do you agree or disagree when

1275
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: people say he's the next evolution of Steepey?

1276
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: So Steepey was not the guy we had grand picked

1277
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: from the word go to be great. I mean, this

1278
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: is so funny, right because stepe ends up being this

1279
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: like great heavyweight and we're talking, We just talked about

1280
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: Poeton being this great like two sport two weight world champion.

1281
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: And I had said over the weekend, like in twenty fourteen,

1282
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: I was at the Glory Last Man Standing tournament and uh,

1283
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: Alex was in it. But like, let me tell you,

1284
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: he was not the star of that show at all.

1285
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: He didn't win the tournament. He wasn't a big name.

1286
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: He was like a good guy that was on the roster.

1287
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: But like, no one was pegging him in twenty fourteen

1288
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: to be great. And I saw people saying, oh, Rogan

1289
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: did not in twenty fourteen he did, And I interviewed

1290
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: Rogan at that tournament. Uh uh, not true. It wasn't

1291
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: an until later that that was the case. So Steepey

1292
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: was never kind of pegged as that guy, and he

1293
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: fell short against Stephan Struve. Stephan Struve stopped him. So

1294
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: this is what I mean about the rise, just to

1295
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: the point where they get to the UFC, to they

1296
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: get to the title, who does Aspinall's rise most closely mirror,

1297
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: I would say it is Kane. Now, what you're talking

1298
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: about is that well rounded ability overall. He might be

1299
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 1: more along that line in terms of the actual kind

1300
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: of game that he has. But Stepe is also a

1301
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: bit of a wrestle boxer too, Like how many guys

1302
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: from crossbody or from half guard is he hitting the

1303
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: straight arm bars on? Not many? But Tom Aspinall can

1304
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: do it, So he's a bit of an update there

1305
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: as well.

1306
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: He's great. So I think it's time to talk about

1307
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: the future, Luke.

1308
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: All right, So in that particular sense, BC you have

1309
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: been kind of having ants and the pants about it.

1310
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: They were saying it it'd be disrespectful. I think you

1311
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: see President Dana White will say it'd be disrespectful to

1312
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: even offer Stepe a fight against Tom Aspinall BC after Saturday,

1313
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: is it still disrespectful to offer Stepe a fight against

1314
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: Tom Aspital.

1315
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: No, it's actually the fight to make Look Sergey Pavlovitch

1316
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: was in this discussion. He just got knocked out. He's

1317
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: out of the category. John'll telling me that is still

1318
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: in the discussion of potentially next. But I don't see

1319
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: how you could have watched that dominant performance though, and

1320
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: not think to some degree took a step back of

1321
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: our larger expectations. And look, I still think I'd like

1322
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: to see him against the Curtis Blades or whatever. But

1323
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 2: here's the deal in Aspinau that the UFC just fell into.

1324
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: I get people on our show from the UK, where

1325
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: we don't live, by the way, who tell us, Hey,

1326
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: when you guys say he's got this future star potential,

1327
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: you do have to pump the brakes a bit. I

1328
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: live over here. We like him, but he isn't that dude.

1329
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: Well he's not the heavyweight champion. Okay, So that does

1330
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: change things, and the UFC has yet to try to

1331
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: capitalize on that combat sports boom in the UK. From

1332
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: the standpoint of stadium shows, I know Dana has always

1333
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: been hesitating. I get sort of where he was coming

1334
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: from all along on the idea of will it be

1335
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: the same product to the fans, the same entertainment experience

1336
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: in a giant stadium? But this is the dude. So

1337
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: here's what I gotta say here, Luke. If we're gonna

1338
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: strip YERI I know it's John Jones, But if we're

1339
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: gonna strip Yeri Prohotzka and Jamal Hill consecutively right after

1340
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: they're injured. I know Jamal's like when Yeeri did it,

1341
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: he vacated it and it was it.

1342
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 4: I know.

1343
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: In this case, technically Jamal was still champion, which I

1344
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: didn't realize until the fight started on Saturday. They identified

1345
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 2: him as that in the front row. But that doesn't

1346
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: really matter. But both guys were essentially forced to give

1347
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: up the belt because their injury was so serious. You

1348
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: can always say, well, yeah, the rules are gonna be

1349
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: different for John Jones, and I think that's kind of

1350
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: what YOUFC is saying, because as Saturday night, Dana still said, no,

1351
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 2: we got a chance to make step a John next,

1352
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 2: we make it. Well, here's what I gotta tell you, Dana,

1353
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: asperaal might actually be this three point zero that Luke

1354
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: just said. And you add in the UK side of

1355
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: it and the growing expansion of Europe. Right, imagine if

1356
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: Tilpuria becomes champion, Look what they could do there. Look

1357
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: what they could already do with Ben Wall Saint Denia,

1358
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 2: which we'll talk about. You can have the heavyweight title

1359
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: there and you can do stadiums like Anthony Joshua does

1360
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: it's time. And if you look across the landscape of saying,

1361
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: what's the right opponent to give Aspinall first to try

1362
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: to take his critical and commercial success to the next level,

1363
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: it's actually Steepey. Now, look, they may have to pay

1364
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: him Luke, because step Pey is very picky. It seems

1365
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: he identifies a fight that he wants. He's willing to

1366
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: sit out over a year at times regularly to eventually

1367
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 2: get that fight. Remember he had to do that to

1368
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: get the trilogy with Cormia. Like he does that, that's

1369
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: what he does. He fights once a year if that.

1370
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 2: But he's the greatest heavyweight they've ever had. He just

1371
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: had a camp to prepare for Jones, and we know

1372
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: he's relatively relatively in shape, it seems Luke. Although there

1373
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: was a video of him limping. We'll get to that later.

1374
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: But this is the best name you could give credibility

1375
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: in my opinion, to Aspinall right away of who's available.

1376
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: John Jones is not available, and god who's not available?

1377
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 2: Everybody else seems to be a decided step down. If

1378
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 2: you ran him back against Curtis Blades, it's not gonna

1379
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: do commercial numbers, could it? Be an interesting fight, a

1380
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: rematch of the only loss in the UFC for Aspinall

1381
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: by injury. Yes, but if you want to go big,

1382
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: and it seems like all UFC really wants lately is

1383
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,959
Speaker 2: to swing really big and maximize profits, how about Tom

1384
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: Aspinall in a UK soccer stadium against the greatest heavyweight

1385
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: in the history of the sport and a guy who

1386
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 2: is maybe an earlier version of him as we're just identifying,

1387
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: and a fight that Aspinall should win and would be

1388
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: favored to. It would be a fun shootout. Imagine if

1389
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: Aspinaal walks out of there, Here's what I say. You

1390
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 2: make Stepe next, you pay Stepe for it, and Luke

1391
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 2: you put the undisputed title at stake. Oh why would

1392
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: you do that? BC? You're just asking John Jones to retire. Well,

1393
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: if John Jones is right now only gonna come back

1394
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: for step A and maybe nothing else. This actually would

1395
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: be kind of a power moved by the company to say, okay, John,

1396
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 2: we're ready for you. Whenever you come back, you get

1397
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: the next title shot. But you're injured in a serious way,

1398
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: no different than Yeerie and Jamal, even though you're different

1399
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: because you're the goat. But we got this guy that

1400
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna build up. We're gonna run him in to

1401
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: Steepey and guess what, You're gonna face the winner at

1402
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 2: International Fight Week next week. That bad idea, Luke, where

1403
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: I come from? That's in a fantastic idea. You take

1404
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: Aspinall's start of the next level. You put a hell

1405
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: of a great name on his resume that starts off

1406
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: this run, and you start to bang that drum for

1407
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 2: John versus Tom, and you tell John, look, if you

1408
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: want to retire, now, that's great, We love you. You're

1409
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: the greatest of all time. No one's ever gonna take

1410
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 2: the two divisions away from you. But if you want

1411
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 2: to get healthy and come back, you're facing the winner

1412
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: of Tom versus Stevepe. Because Luke as good as John

1413
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 2: versus Steepe would have been for this window MSG this

1414
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: past weekend a perfect crossover fight. It stamps John on

1415
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: the way out. If he retires, it's truly the greatest

1416
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: of all time. The windows closed, do it? He got hurt.

1417
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 2: The window has closed. You run that back next year.

1418
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: People aren't gonna care, and they're especially not gonna carry

1419
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: on the level. If they think Aspinall's potentially better than

1420
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 2: both of them. Aspirinall's gonna have to fight again before

1421
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: John comes back. You're not gonna keep him on ice.

1422
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 2: Do it again, Steve, it's the fight to make right freakin'.

1423
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, let me ask a couple of questions, because

1424
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: it's an interesting idea. I don't hate it. I don't

1425
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: hate it. I don't know how the fan base feels

1426
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: about it, but I don't hate it. The question I

1427
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: would have is a couple of things. What's the difference

1428
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: between a fight where John fights tom Aspinall in what, however,

1429
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: what it was when he gets back in terms of

1430
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: pay per view buys versus what it would do with

1431
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: John versus Stepe whenever he gets back. Now, let me

1432
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: posit something. The more that tom Aspinall goes out there

1433
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: and does tom Aspinall things, there's no denying that the

1434
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: value of a Steep a John fight, even as a

1435
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: box office attraction, will take some kind of hit, probably

1436
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: not a substantial one, but I do think there is

1437
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: a tax to be paid there. So give me a

1438
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: sense of what you think the difference would be in

1439
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: terms of the return for the UFC on these because

1440
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: obviously that's going to factor into any decision making that

1441
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: they have.

1442
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: We're in a new era where UFC's pursuit of big

1443
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: pay per view buys. It's not the same as it

1444
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 2: used to be. They're not as you know, they don't

1445
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 2: need to build up pay per view stars as as

1446
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 2: a necessity like they did in the past. We've been

1447
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 2: over this a million times. It's the ESPN deal. They

1448
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 2: get a guaranteed minimum. So what have they done in

1449
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: the endeavor era but in particularly the past year year

1450
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: and a half to figure out how to truly maximize profits. Well,

1451
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: they've done weird things like allow you to put your

1452
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 2: name in the middle of the octagon for a lot

1453
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: of money. But you know what, Luke, they've done. They've

1454
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: tried to focus on live gates. They try to go

1455
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 2: to big areas, cities, countries where there's a local fan

1456
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: favorite there. They put those people up in the main

1457
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 2: and the cole main events. They put tickets on sale

1458
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 2: for a lot of money and they cash fricking in

1459
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 2: the pay per views don't matter as much. So if

1460
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,799
Speaker 2: you potentially have a monster pawn in aspenall to open

1461
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: up Europe in a big way. No, he's not Connor,

1462
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: he's not Patty if he ever figured himself out, but

1463
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 2: he's a little bit more solid in a way, a

1464
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: little bit more like we might we might have something

1465
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: here for the long haul. The only difference between the

1466
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 2: success that the UK has in combat sports, in filling

1467
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: arenas and doing pay per views and stuff in the

1468
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 2: US is that the US charges a butt load more.

1469
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 2: It's why for years when we talk about pay per

1470
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 2: view buys in the boxing space, we're only talking about

1471
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: the US or in some cases like the US, in

1472
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: Canada or North America. And you ask why because the

1473
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: price range, the price that they put on pay per

1474
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: views is demonstrably different based on the country. In the US,

1475
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 2: right on the real big boxing ones, we're now used

1476
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 2: to paying seventy five, seventy nine, one hundred bucks for

1477
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,839
Speaker 2: the two big Mayweather ones that went that high Paqiao

1478
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 2: in McGregor. But in the UK they're still charging twenty

1479
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: thirty bucks when they fill soccer stadiums when it's George

1480
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,799
Speaker 2: Groves versus Carl Frotz one and two, or it's Anthony

1481
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 2: Joshua there. How are they able to fill eighty to

1482
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 2: ninety thousand old because the demand is there. Well, the

1483
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: demand is there. They've done a great job since the

1484
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: twenty twelve Olympics in the launch of Anthony Joshua, making

1485
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,879
Speaker 2: the UK not just for boxing obviously form to a hotbed,

1486
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 2: but they put the prices affordably. Do you know it's

1487
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: not affordable the ticket prices that the UFC are doing

1488
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 2: this year now when they're maximizing profit. When they put

1489
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: John Jones in MSG originally scheduled and they say, okay,

1490
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: how about nine hundred and fifteen dollars for the worst

1491
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 2: seat regular price if they go to a soccer stadium

1492
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 2: in the UK where they're pretty much setting themselves up

1493
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: for eighty to eighty thousand potential. Here they raise the

1494
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 2: prices to American levels and they put the homegrown boy

1495
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 2: in there against John Jones or against Stepe or whatever

1496
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: in a stadium, the pay per view buys won't matter

1497
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: because you'll be raking in that gate at such an

1498
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 2: aggressively alarming pace in ways that in the past they

1499
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: haven't done in those markets. So you say, okay, weill

1500
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: that market react and respond and pay that. Well, the

1501
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: UFC had no problem finding out if people will pay

1502
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 2: that in Madison Square guard and guess what they did.

1503
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: If they did, they were still there even though John

1504
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: was off the car. That place was rocking. I think

1505
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: that's what you do, Luke. You ride the wave of

1506
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: how quickly can we build up Aspinall. They don't know

1507
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 2: if he'll ever beat Jones, But wouldn't you want Aspinall's

1508
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: star to be as big as it possibly good? If

1509
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 2: Aspinall goes out there and beats Stepe in the next

1510
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: six months. I believe that John Jones versus Tom Aspitall

1511
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 2: in the UK in a stadium or heck, an allegiate

1512
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 2: stadium in Vegas, in a football stadium is bigger than

1513
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: John versus Stepe can ever be. John versus Steve a

1514
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 2: at MSG this weekend would have been big. The window

1515
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: is now closed, Luke. The next direction is the next

1516
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 2: big thing, and that's Tom Aspinall. So ride that. Take

1517
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 2: advantage of that. And if we can't do Francis versus John,

1518
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: and we can't right now, Dana said, we'll get to

1519
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: that later too. You know what we can do when

1520
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: John comes back John versus Tom aspinaf he beats Stepe.

1521
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: So Luke, I think I just answered your question right there,

1522
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 2: you get the hometown guy. Raise the prices. Okay, you

1523
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: raise those prices up.

1524
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: Brother, I would say this, You know what's kind of interesting.

1525
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: I do think there probably is a trade off negatively

1526
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: in doing John versus Aspenall versus John doing Miochich, even

1527
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: with the amount of time it may take to get

1528
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: to that point. I don't know that for certain, but

1529
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: I feel that way now. But what I would say

1530
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: is this, BCEE. If Tom Aspenall really is the guy,

1531
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: and it looks like he could be. But if he

1532
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: is the guy and he goes and beats Meocic, right,

1533
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: which then sets up the John fight, and then he

1534
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: beats John Jones, and I realize I'm getting very far

1535
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: ahead of myself. But I'm just talking about a world

1536
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: where the UFC treats their next attraction as their most

1537
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: important important priority rather than a separate attraction. Because they

1538
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: are still talking about how, oh yeah, the winner of

1539
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: stepe A and John is going to fight, you know,

1540
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: the eventual interim champ in this case Aspenall. I don't

1541
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,560
Speaker 1: believe that. I don't believe that they're gonna do that

1542
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: unless there's really no other option. But what I wanted

1543
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,839
Speaker 1: to say is BC, that would blow up tom aspinall

1544
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: the future of the division in a way that nothing

1545
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: else could. I don't know what kind of star power

1546
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: in the UK Aspinall has now. It does not appear

1547
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: to be substantial, but time will change. He is now

1548
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: a champion. I'llbet an interim one, but I think that

1549
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: will boost his fortunes. But I guess the point I

1550
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: want to make is BC, if you really wanted to

1551
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: boost his fortunes, if you really were believing that's the

1552
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: guy of the future, that's the track you would go to,

1553
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: because nothing would, nothing would make his resume and star

1554
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: power look good like beating those two guys on his

1555
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: way up to getting the championship on their way out

1556
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: the door. I just don't know what the likelihood of

1557
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: something like that is, however much you might believe in

1558
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: the idea, right, BC, question for you on this one.

1559
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: We still don't know a lot about Tom Aspinall right.

1560
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't seen him in the third round.

1561
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: We didn't even see him in the fucking third minute

1562
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,839
Speaker 1: of this fight. He's clearly very talented, he's clearly very athletic.

1563
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: You don't get to where he's at if you don't

1564
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of ability, But like, what's it like

1565
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: when he gets tired in the third? We don't know?

1566
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: What does his IQ look like when he gets tired

1567
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: in the fourth and fifth? We don't know. There's still

1568
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: some unanswered questions. I don't know who's gonna pull it

1569
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: out of him. Do you feel like we still have

1570
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of fact finding to go about with him?

1571
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 2: You know I had mentioned that earlier as sort of

1572
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: a hedging comment to say, look, you know, we still

1573
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 2: have to see him in those later rounds. But I

1574
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 2: think when you marry together, as I said before the

1575
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: fact that we already know for a fact that he's

1576
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 2: the most well rounded heavyweight today among the elites, and

1577
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,879
Speaker 2: you mix that with that early stoppage time, the quickest

1578
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 2: average time in UFC history, and you look at the

1579
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 2: names that he's starting to step up against. He may look,

1580
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 2: he may not get there. He may not get to

1581
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 2: that third, fourth and fifth round soon. I mean against

1582
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: John Jones, probably right, but like he may not get there.

1583
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: We have to judge with with this guy with what

1584
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: we have, and he's a finisher and he's showing himself

1585
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 2: to be tough too. He took that big punch from

1586
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: Pavlovich and didn't you know, didn't have issues with that.

1587
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 2: Let's give him time to do that. But I think

1588
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: what we're seeing and look at look at how he

1589
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: looked on short notice. Right, It's like, okay, it was

1590
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 2: only a minute plus, all right, I get it right. So, yes,

1591
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: there will some be certain elements to his game. We're

1592
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: only gonna know about it when we know about it.

1593
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 2: But what do we know about him? What we do

1594
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: know is pretty damn impressive. I want to find out

1595
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: what you know about his tats though, Luke, what's with

1596
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 2: the solid covering cover ups? You just have some.

1597
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,560
Speaker 1: They're not great, They're not great. The problem with what

1598
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: he's got going on is a few problems. But one

1599
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: of the big problems is one he's trying to do

1600
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of cover ups for stuff he doesn't like.

1601
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: And then the other problem is he's got a bunch

1602
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: of different tattoo styles from his chest to his arm

1603
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: to his back that don't really easily connect. Like it's

1604
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: not to say that you always have to get one

1605
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: tattoo style no matter what, but if you start getting

1606
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of different tattoo styles, it starts to look

1607
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: really weird and disjointed, and that's what he's got going on.

1608
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: So don't love him. I don't love his tattoos. And

1609
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 1: I can be honest with you.

1610
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I had to. I had to may a

1611
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 2: couple one time where I had to, you know, apologize

1612
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 2: for that Dale Junior, Dale Senior joke that really hurt

1613
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 2: Middle America really badly? Do I owe you the same

1614
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: apology about the commandant? Has his heart recovered? Luke? I'm

1615
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 2: asking with sincerity.

1616
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: I think the Commandant's doing okay. But yes, listen, I

1617
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: know your box cutter, Brian, I know you're you. You

1618
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: undermine the fact that I actually did serve the country,

1619
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: and yet you think that somehow you're just living in

1620
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: Connecticut is equal to that.

1621
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 3: But it's not.

1622
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 1: It's not.

1623
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, near far or wherever you are. I really

1624
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 2: hope that the Commandant's heart will go on all right?

1625
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: Yes, me as well. He is the he is the

1626
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: highest ranking officer in the Marine Corps and a member

1627
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: of the Joint chiefs of Staff, so that's kind of important,

1628
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, Yes, have you read him?

1629
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 2: Does he know you? Luke? Have you met this man.

1630
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: No, I've not met a dude. I only ever was

1631
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: in a room with a two star general like you

1632
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: just don't get access to three and fourtunate generals like

1633
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: that just doesn't happen, you.

1634
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 2: Know, now, when you see the generals with all those

1635
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 2: accommodations and stars and stripes, is do you know which

1636
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 2: one means the amount of trains they've run during bootcamp?

1637
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: Luke, I don't know to what extent the officers engage

1638
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: in that kind of behavior. I can tell you the

1639
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: enlisted apparently do it with regularity. All I mean, just

1640
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: given the opportunities that were floated my way, albeit repulsive,

1641
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: seems quite frequent. Okay, all right, let's get to topic

1642
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: number three and BC. You know, listen, we're here praising

1643
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: and by the way, Pavlovich, quickly before you put the

1644
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: graphics on the screen. Pavlovich, I don't think his stock

1645
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: takes a dramatic hit. No, he's still young enough. He's

1646
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: still going to beat a bunch of guys too. We

1647
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: should say that out loud.

1648
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: But Ko everyone else, by the way, I think he'll.

1649
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: Get not an immediate rematch, but I think he'll get

1650
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: in a rematch down the road. Like, I don't think

1651
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: this is his last title shot by any stretch. So

1652
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: we shall see with him. All right, now, we see

1653
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: here we are talking about the greatness of Poeton, the

1654
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: sportsmanship of Yearie, and you know, here is a case

1655
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: where we don't don't think Pavlovich's stock took a hit

1656
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,560
Speaker 1: and aspinall could be, you know, the next coming of

1657
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: God knows what I mean, or saying nice things about

1658
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of people. And I don't want to say

1659
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of mean things about Mackenzie Dern. I just don't.

1660
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to get up on here on a

1661
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: Monday and be like, she's so awful. But BC, we

1662
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: got to talk about what the fuck that was? Man,

1663
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: that was not a great performance from her. She's had

1664
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: twelve UFC fights, BC, twelve UFC fights. She's thirty years old.

1665
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that we can say, oh, well, that

1666
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: experiment failed. That's not what I'm saying. But BC, I

1667
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 1: am going to ask you this, can her development be

1668
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: fixed at this point?

1669
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. And this is the

1670
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: same conversation we've had after like a lot of I mean,

1671
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 2: she's three and three now in her last six. We've

1672
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 2: had this conversation all bunch lately. But I think the

1673
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 2: difference in this case when a lot of people were

1674
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 2: look rightfully hammering me out, I mean minus four fifty, Luca,

1675
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 2: I mean minus four hundred would have been much better

1676
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: refrain from me in this case. But let's be serious here.

1677
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,560
Speaker 2: A lot of people are like, ha ha, Obviously you

1678
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: should have saw that coming. The odds makers did. Don't

1679
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 2: you know that Jessica is this or that? Don't you

1680
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 2: know that Mackenzie looked like this in previous fights? Yeah,

1681
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: but I watched the Angela Hill fight and it looked

1682
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 2: like a move toward the future, a move toward ironing

1683
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: it out. So when you ask me straight up like

1684
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 2: can it be fixed? Look, she's a nine Lives fighter.

1685
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 2: She has become that Adrian Bruner was that for a

1686
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,440
Speaker 2: long time. And that means that no matter how many losses, setbacks,

1687
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 2: poor performances and a win side steps outside the ring

1688
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: her cage. Sometimes you just have this confidence in this athlete,

1689
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee for us that eventually they'll put it together.

1690
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 2: She's only thirty, so can I nine live her and say,

1691
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: you know she hasn't used them all yet, Luke, But

1692
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: did I The reason why I'm not like man I

1693
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 2: was so stupid is because that performance that we saw

1694
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: on Saraday wasn't supposed to be the performance that any

1695
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: of us really expected. That doesn't mean she still couldn't

1696
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: have gotten beaten or even stopped by Androge. But Luke,

1697
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 2: her striking defense her. I don't say knowledge, but I

1698
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 2: mean I mean look her her natural reactions to the

1699
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: placement of her chin. I mean like it regressed aggressively,

1700
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 2: it fell apart, and it sucked that. Like I want

1701
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: to praise her for what I do a lot. She

1702
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 2: got a great chin. She's willing to fight. Even though

1703
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: this fight was stopped and I'd have a problem with it,

1704
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 2: she was willing to get up and keep going. She

1705
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: didn't even look that beat up afterwards when she put

1706
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: a video on Instagram apologizing to the fans and just

1707
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 2: trying to come to terms with it. But how she

1708
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 2: lost it was like the whole all four wheels falling

1709
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: off the wagon at once, Luke. It just completely went

1710
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 2: out the window. So now I've got even deeper questions

1711
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 2: than I've ever had. You could tell me all you

1712
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 2: want before well BC statistically actually not that great of

1713
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: a takedown person, or statistically or they're protect right, or

1714
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: the technique she shows here is wrong, And I'm not

1715
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 2: saying it wasn't. I just see somebody who's physical, aggressive,

1716
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 2: powerful with her right hand when she does line it up,

1717
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 2: and she did a few times against Androge where you

1718
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 2: wondered if it was going to go in the other direction.

1719
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: But the key foundational elements that need to be there.

1720
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you heard Joe Rogan almost embarrassingly say I'm

1721
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 2: not sure I've seen somebody this far into their career

1722
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 2: like react that way to strikes. She fell apart. So

1723
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: if we have to ask ourselves why, I think you

1724
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 2: do have to look at the the chaos in her life,

1725
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 2: her gym closing, her coach Jason Pirillo no longer there,

1726
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 2: which I didn't ever find out the story. I know

1727
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 2: Ruca closed, but could Parillo have continued with her? Did

1728
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: they have a falling out? I don't know, But she

1729
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 2: brought her dad into a higher place than her team.

1730
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 2: She brought in some new voices and it went disastrously.

1731
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: So can she fix this moving forward? I guess I

1732
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: have to echo the answer I used to say, which

1733
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 2: is it's up to her? Luke to her, is it

1734
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: too late at thirty? If you're only focusing on those

1735
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 2: foundational elements and how bad they looked on Saturday? It

1736
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 2: actually might be too late. But it really comes down

1737
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 2: to how quickly can she be a student of this

1738
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 2: and aim directly at those areas that are vastly not

1739
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: up to par and yes, change up the team again,

1740
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: find the right fit and get after it. Is it possible, yes?

1741
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: But did we lose? For even me who was nine

1742
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 2: living her and saying, don't worry about it, she'll figure

1743
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: it out. I don't know if she figures out anymore. Luke,

1744
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: take okay, bet out of it, right, that's all for

1745
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 2: funny games and concerts. I was really disappointed as a

1746
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 2: journalist and fan for her. She put it in the work,

1747
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 2: it was her time, the promotion was ready again to

1748
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 2: anoint her. And you got to give, obviously Jessica and

1749
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: Drags credit for resetting her own career within this disastrous

1750
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 2: year for her, But the combination of the divorce, new team,

1751
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 2: all of that for Dern, she just wasn't who she

1752
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 2: needed to be for a fight this dangerous and this

1753
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 2: important and that was hugely disappointing. I don't know she

1754
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: fixes it, Luke. I'm very interested to hear what you think,

1755
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: because you've been you know, more hands on critical in

1756
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 2: some of the more technical ways. But the disconnect got wider,

1757
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:13,839
Speaker 2: It got freaking wider.

1758
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it got I mean, I do believe

1759
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: she regressed a little bit here. People just say she

1760
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: regressed a lot. I don't think so.

1761
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 2: Are you saying just that it was Androge's power that

1762
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 2: that kind of brought out a lot of these things

1763
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 2: where maybe Angela Hill couldn't do that to her.

1764
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it for sure, you know,

1765
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,919
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Like Androge would relish a situation

1766
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: where an opponent is charging into her, even if she's

1767
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: landing a little bit. And by the way, Dern did

1768
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: land a little bit in the first and second round.

1769
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: She head back with a good job. She was coming.

1770
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: She squared up.

1771
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 2: You can't square up against Androge. Androge squared up against

1772
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: Whaley and got out and got handled. In a heartbeat, Luke,

1773
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 2: you can't do that at this level.

1774
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know I said this last week. Do

1775
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: you remember one of my criticisms of her was have

1776
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: you ever noticed how much she loses her balance?

1777
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 3: Dude?

1778
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: Did you notice how much she lost her fucking balance here?

1779
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: I just can't overstate to you, like it's a different sport,

1780
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: it's a different reality. But guys, do yourself a favor.

1781
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: Go back and watch I'm gonna just pick something. Go

1782
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 1: back and watch the Bud Crawford Errol Spence fight. Watch

1783
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: how Bud is never off balance. Even when he gets hit,

1784
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: He's never off balance. He always has his balance underneath him.

1785
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: Go watch John Jones against whatever you think one of

1786
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: his best performances, even in the stand up. Go look

1787
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: at how he never loses his balance. The very best people,

1788
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: almost irrespective of style, because balance on top for grappling,

1789
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: or you know how your weight is distributed in any

1790
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of capacity for combat sports, it really matters. She's

1791
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 1: still twelve fight cent at age thirty. She loses her

1792
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: balance in combinations and blitzes and throwing punches, Like, what

1793
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: does that tell you? What tells you that, like the

1794
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: very basic mechanics of punching, not even just full on

1795
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: striking combinations, but just punching still is a problem for her.

1796
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: Like I I just don't understand how that's possible. I mean,

1797
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: think of something like this. PC Alexander Hernandez obviously had

1798
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: those two great wins to start his career against OAM

1799
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 1: and then Benil Dariusch and there you know, he obviously

1800
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: faced a regression. But you can look at his game,

1801
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: whether he wins or whether he loses, and you can

1802
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 1: clearly see technical improvement. Right, you can go back and

1803
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: look at what he was doing when he got those

1804
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: losses versus now where he is and it's hit or miss.

1805
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: But look at his game. You can clearly see defensive responsibility.

1806
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 1: You can see him setting up things from takedowns, you

1807
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: can see what angles he's trying to achieve. All of

1808
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: these things you can get a look at. And now

1809
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: again it can not necessarily guarantee him a win, but

1810
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: you can see the difference. I can barely see differences

1811
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: with her, barely. She does have a nice jab. And

1812
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: I said this on Saturday Night BC, if you had

1813
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: told me you would have a jiu jitsu prospect who

1814
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: at the black belt level won basically everything she could

1815
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: at in ghee and nogi and didn't mind taking a punch.

1816
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: And that person at third would still not have their

1817
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: balance underneath them when they struck. I just wouldn't believe you.

1818
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't believe you. I just would not believe something

1819
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: like that. You know, it'd just be hard to hard

1820
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: to noodle. You would think these are the ingredients you

1821
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 1: would want, not just for success at MMA, but to

1822
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: be able to tolerate some of the difficulties in making

1823
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: that change from jiu jitsu to MMA, guys. I mean,

1824
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: I would say that some of this is fixable. It's

1825
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: incomprehensible to me that by thirty two she could not

1826
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: be a lot better than she is now, in part BC,

1827
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: because she is so much room for improvement. Right, we're

1828
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: not talking about minor fixes. We're not talking about minor adjustments.

1829
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: We're talking about maximally important things, foundational skills that give

1830
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: life to so much else. So much of that is missing,

1831
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: which is really a problem. But that means so much

1832
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:51,600
Speaker 1: of that can be achieved under you would imagine better circumstances.

1833
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: So for that reason, I do think some of this

1834
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 1: is fixable. However, BC, it really gets to the point.

1835
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, she started with the MMA lab on

1836
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: a UFC developmental contract when she was in LFA. She

1837
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: trained with Jason Perillo. These are like you know, John

1838
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: Crouch and Jason Perilla do these are proven names in

1839
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: the sport. So when someone asked me, like, what is

1840
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: the problem, I honestly don't know how could I like

1841
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: the legitimately do not understand. And I'm being serious, like,

1842
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can have the raw ingredients

1843
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: for success with the kind of tutelage around her and

1844
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: it end up twelve fights in here.

1845
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we questioned the past if it was work ethic,

1846
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 2: but you know, she was in great shape when she

1847
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 2: came in. Is it just not grasping the sport or

1848
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 2: being as much of a student of it.

1849
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1850
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm not in the gym. I'm not seeing that. But

1851
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 2: I mean, would you would you recommend Luca moved to

1852
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: Las Vegas and call the two most important men in

1853
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 2: her future, which is Eric Nixon and Chef Kaz just

1854
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 2: just completely start over, right? I mean, like, is it

1855
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 2: time to be to go that aggressively, to just flip

1856
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 2: the script and start over, no stone left unturned.

1857
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, this is the four alarm fire. This

1858
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 1: is it, This is it? Are they were the UFC

1859
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: has been really eager to put her in a title

1860
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,879
Speaker 1: position for a very long time, on which I can understand.

1861
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: I totally get the five business. It all makes sense fine,

1862
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: but they've been kind of waiting for her and waiting

1863
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: for her and waiting for her to turn the corner.

1864
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: It's thirty, it's thirty. This is not the end, nor

1865
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: am I suggesting it is. But if she wants to

1866
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 1: become what I think is still possible, whether that's champion

1867
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: or just a much better version of herself, there has

1868
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: to be a complete overhaul of what has happened up

1869
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: to this point, right now, right at this moment, because

1870
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: thirty three is too late your prime is I mean, dude,

1871
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: she should already be where she needs to be at

1872
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: age thirty or pretty close to it, right thirty to

1873
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: thirty two, thirty three, this is those are your best

1874
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: years right there, and she's this far behind. It's it

1875
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: is just very hard to comprehend that we got there.

1876
01:28:56,040 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 1: But you're right. Something she needs she needs. It seems

1877
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: to MEBCE a dedicated hand, as somebody who really understands

1878
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: find ways to make her game blend together, can give

1879
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: her the dedicated attention and then also, wouldn't you agree

1880
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: it seems like the competitive fire of being in a

1881
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: big gym with hard sparring days. You know, there's a

1882
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: right way and a wrong way to do that, but

1883
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: under the better circumstances, it really does provide benefit to

1884
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: a certain kind of fighter. And in this particular case,

1885
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: and I can't believe I'm saying it, but one, this green, one,

1886
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: this green could really benefit from a dedicated head coach

1887
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 1: and an environment where she gets pushed competitively by UFC

1888
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: or Bilitorio, those kinds of peers in the training.

1889
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: Room, shoot the box.

1890
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Or again, there's good teams in Brazil too. You know

1891
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want her just.

1892
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 2: Get to call up the dogs, dude, right.

1893
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 1: School it's your favorite middle nog.

1894
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it talks about him enough, little Nog living

1895
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 2: off that legacy of the big one.

1896
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 6: Right.

1897
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: But but BC, I like, if she really wants to

1898
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: do something with her career, I legitimately think it's still possible, right,

1899
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 1: I do believe that. Yeah, it has to start today. Today,

1900
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 1: it has to start.

1901
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,560
Speaker 2: Find a question on Andrade, she was like celebrating on

1902
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: the cage to the title shot thing. The problem is

1903
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,480
Speaker 2: that she just got finished recently by shau Nan and Suarez,

1904
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 2: who are ahead of her in the rankings. But Jessica

1905
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 2: came in at number five at Strawway, whether she deserved

1906
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 2: that or not, fresh off three losses? Will she fight

1907
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: for a title again? At one point fifteen? In your eyes,

1908
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 2: she's thirty two years old. She's got almost almost like

1909
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 2: forty five fights. I think, Luke, she's got fourteen defeats

1910
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 2: or something. She's been around, but this was a resurgent

1911
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 2: win when she needed it most. Does she fight for

1912
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 2: a title again?

1913
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna say yes, this was again. Dude.

1914
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,560
Speaker 1: You know, half the predictions I get wrong, half of

1915
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: them I get right. But I did think I was

1916
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: I do think that my reasoning on this one pre

1917
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: fight was vindicated, which was if that performance against Lauren

1918
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 1: Murphy was from twenty twenty one or something, I'd be like, yeah,

1919
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 1: this streak is real bad. And the streak was bad.

1920
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: It was a bad you know, it was a bad

1921
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: losing streak. I understand why the odds makers had her

1922
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: as the underdog, but that win over Lauren Murphy was

1923
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: from this year. It was from this year, and given

1924
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 1: the mistakes that Mackenzie makes and that I was like,

1925
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, man like this one. I think Gonroge

1926
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: is probably gonna take this, and so I do believe

1927
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: that panned out. I think that she still got so

1928
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: many things that elevate her game. Now she's thirty two.

1929
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 1: It looks like this was a really restorative win for

1930
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 1: her emotionally. I hope it is as well financially, you know,

1931
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: I think the division has changed and her grip on

1932
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: it is certainly weakened. But you asked, will she fight

1933
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: for a title again? I'm gonna say yes. I think

1934
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: she's got that well.

1935
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 2: I think there if Wayleey holds it, and that's no

1936
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 2: guarantee given the names that are coming up, but if

1937
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 2: Whaley holds it be a nice rematch considering how quickly

1938
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 2: Wayley took the title off Jessica right, Yes, I would

1939
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 2: if she earns If she gets to that point she

1940
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: earns it, I wouldn't hate running that back.

1941
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: Also, look, she just lost to Tatiano Suarez. They could

1942
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: run that back if it ends up making sense a

1943
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 1: little bit later down the road, depending on how things go.

1944
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: If one gets the belt and another one doesn't, so

1945
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: I guess.

1946
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 2: She's lost to enough big names of late that we

1947
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 2: could run back all these how about a Rose trilogy, Luke,

1948
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 2: I will do it at one twenty five?

1949
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: Not bad exactly. All right, Let's get to topic number

1950
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 1: four here if we can, which was how about this

1951
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 1: fucking Frenchman boy? He is on fire these days? Ben

1952
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: was Saint Denis. He ices Matt Fravola with a head

1953
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: kick in the very first round. We felt bad for

1954
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: friends of the show Matt Rovola, but that's the brutal

1955
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: game that these guys are in BC. My question to

1956
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: you is based on what we now know. What is

1957
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: the upside for Ben was singt deny.

1958
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the world title, that's the upside. Wake up, this

1959
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 2: is it. It's time twenty seven years old. He's putting

1960
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 2: the big wins together the way that he handled for Vola,

1961
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 2: who's always dangerous and explosive, and as I expected, he

1962
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: came to MSG Fravola did to go for the knockout win.

1963
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 2: That headkick was just a full brutal ground in pround

1964
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 2: right after it. The poise that he showed throughout. I mean, look,

1965
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 2: he calls himself the god of war. He's got the

1966
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 2: military background. He has not a Poeton like stoneface, but

1967
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 2: he's got the kind of look that lets you know

1968
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 2: he's battle tested and he's ready to go all the

1969
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 2: way to the top right now. Crazy that BSD comes

1970
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 2: in unranked, but I love, love, love his post fight interview.

1971
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't hey, UFC, give me top fifteen, I'm ready.

1972
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 2: It was if you're willing, I'm ready to fight Mahachev now,

1973
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: and if you don't want to, I'm ready to fight

1974
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 2: Gaichee for the BMF now. And if not, how about

1975
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 2: gam Rod or Poorier. I mean, that's what you want

1976
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 2: to hear after a big moment. You tie in with

1977
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: that the untapped potential of the UFC in France, which

1978
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 2: is they're just starting right. It just got legalized MMA

1979
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 2: in France just a couple of years back. This guy,

1980
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 2: along with Tapuria, if he wins the belt in Spain

1981
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 2: and along with Espinal, could be a major major player

1982
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 2: in the short for them in Europe. And Luke, he

1983
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 2: looks to be the goods. What is my white bel

1984
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 2: eyes missing about this guy? Is there anything that doesn't

1985
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 2: any box that doesn't check? Because you, Luke, are the

1986
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 2: real Simon Cowell of MMA. You tell it like it is.

1987
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: Well, you know, again there's been times with his fight,

1988
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 1: IQ kind of got in the way, but not this time.

1989
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: This time he looked to make great decisions. For Vola

1990
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: looked to me like he had like happy feet, and

1991
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: it was been Washington. He was kind of calm and

1992
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: waiting and focused. And I have to tell you too,

1993
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: like here's a great example, great example we mentioned previously

1994
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 1: Poeton firing the underhook and then getting to a hand

1995
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 1: and then just gave it up when he was trying

1996
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: to stand, which you would not want to do. You

1997
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: don't always have to have the undertook look, but like

1998
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 1: you need to have the underhook basically to get that

1999
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 1: process started right in general, inside control matters. But like

2000
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 1: you'll notice that people who aren't very good at grappling,

2001
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: they'll know what the process is. Like it's like, okay,

2002
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: I gotta fire the underhook, I gotta get to an elbow,

2003
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: I gotta get my hips back whatever they're trying to

2004
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: do with the underhook. But it might take them a

2005
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 1: couple of times and a little bit of a not

2006
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: just that it takes They think in stages, right, first

2007
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I do this, and then they kind of wait. Then

2008
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: they go to the next stage and they kind of wait,

2009
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,680
Speaker 1: so the process is slow. I want you to pay

2010
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 1: attention when Ben Wassington he gets an underhook twice underneath

2011
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 1: on Matt Volo because he gets him taken down. When

2012
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 1: he fires the underhook, he immediately goes for the sweep

2013
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 1: and then he fires another underhook and he uses that

2014
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: to stand. Why do I bring this up? He can wrestle,

2015
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: he has comfortability even underneath. He has offensive urgency. Everything

2016
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: is a smooth one movement for him. It's not fire

2017
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:40,560
Speaker 1: the underhook, then plant, then turn right, this very mechanical

2018
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 1: way of grappling. He doesn't have a mechanical way of grappling.

2019
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: Everything is smooth, right, Everything is one motion all the

2020
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: way through to get up or to do whatever he's

2021
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: trying to do. He doesn't wait around. He doesn't sit

2022
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 1: and wait to get to a position and go okay,

2023
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: now that I'm here, now what do I do. It's

2024
01:35:56,280 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: quick and they're all good, correct decisions right after the other.

2025
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 1: So it all looks like one motion. That to me,

2026
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: by the way, is grappling competence. And you saw that

2027
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: from Ben was Saint Denis in this particular fight. So

2028
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: when folks talk about like, you know, the difference between

2029
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: like poetons grappling, where it needs to be it needs

2030
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: to look more like that. That kind of thing is better.

2031
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: And then on the feet, BC look at the great

2032
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: decisions he made. Did he take one big punch in

2033
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: this fight? I don't even know if. I mean maybe

2034
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: a couple because for Vola was throwing in combination, but

2035
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: not a whole lot. He kept good distance, and dude,

2036
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: he always finds offense always. He finds offense at range,

2037
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: he finds offense underneath, he finds offense on top, he

2038
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 1: finds offense on the clinch break. He's just always attacking.

2039
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: And if you let your guard down quite literally for

2040
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 1: just a minute, he'll just send you to the land

2041
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: of winding ghosts. Those those kicks to the body paid

2042
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: off BC because he had for Vola thinking it was

2043
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: gonna come here, hit him with a head kick. Because

2044
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: he's always looking for offense. Kids got ability, man, he's

2045
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: got real ability.

2046
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,759
Speaker 2: Give me a fight for him. He just named everyone

2047
01:36:58,800 --> 01:36:59,799
Speaker 2: that matters at lightweight.

2048
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: What do you want?

2049
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 2: What do you want?

2050
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 1: I still think he needs to think ten to ten

2051
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 1: to the like fourteen ish, depending on where he lands.

2052
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where he's gonna land. For Vola

2053
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: was at fourteen, so he might take that place. But

2054
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 1: you know, you could go RDA if you wanted. Who's

2055
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 1: sitting at top ten. I don't think Ardia wants that fight,

2056
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: but the fight.

2057
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 2: I think that fight for da dude. I don't want

2058
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 2: to see Ardia get hurt anymore.

2059
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: Luke Okay, fair enough, But I like Jalen Turner. I

2060
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: like the Jayalen Turner fight. J Yes, Jalen Turner is

2061
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: sick on his feet. He has been battle tested against

2062
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: tough guys like Mintayo Scamrock. He's got offense everywhere. It's

2063
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:38,560
Speaker 1: a clashing styles, It's a guaranteed action fight and a

2064
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 1: real kind of test about who's got the power to

2065
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 1: move into the top ten. I'd love to see that contest.

2066
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 2: Uh real quick. People on Twitter are saying we are

2067
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 2: forgetting gone when talking about Aspinall's future. If UFC still

2068
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,759
Speaker 2: wants to do John versus Stipe, which it does seem

2069
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 2: like Dana still wants to do, you think Aspinall versus Gone? Hey,

2070
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 2: maybe with BSD on the undercard is the right next fight?

2071
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 2: In which country? Would you put that in France or

2072
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 2: the UK?

2073
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 1: You could put it well, because Tom's the champion. I

2074
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: would not want to put it in France. I would

2075
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: want to put it in England, so you know, but

2076
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 1: what I cry if they did it in France, certainly not.

2077
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 1: You know, nurturing that market I think is important. You're right,

2078
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about it in part because I'm not

2079
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: sure if they're gonna do that or if they're gonna

2080
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 1: make him fight almeta. I don't really know what they're

2081
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,639
Speaker 1: gonna do. It's gonna be kind of weird to see.

2082
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 1: But I'll say this, I love that fight, A real

2083
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 1: test of his ground game. For God, if your ground

2084
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 1: game isn't up to part yet after the Jones fight,

2085
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: aspall is gonna find out. So we shall see if

2086
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: they end up making that contest. But okay, b see

2087
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: do you like the jail interner idea for Ben Washington? E?

2088
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm in. I mean I take camera too.

2089
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:45,560
Speaker 2: I know a lot of these guys have fights, but

2090
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 2: give me any one top fifteen. I want to see

2091
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 2: how good this guy is.

2092
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right and last, but not at

2093
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: least for topic number five. Here, there was a question

2094
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 1: asked about UFC. Are you two UFC President Daniel White

2095
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: at the postfight press conference and someone a reporter, I

2096
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 1: don't they someone tried to identify as Alex Bahun and

2097
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: it's not him for MMA Mania with somebody else I

2098
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: don't know who. And they asked a question about whether

2099
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 1: they would co promote with Francis, and Dana gave a

2100
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: very you know I would say, not nice answer to it.

2101
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 1: Now I got a question about it for UBC. But

2102
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: to set the context, let's see what Danna had to say.

2103
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 7: Let's promote with the PFL for say a Jones Ninganu fight,

2104
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 7: and is there anything specifically stopping that from happening?

2105
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 3: Is there any way to stop it from happening.

2106
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,600
Speaker 7: Is there anything that's stopping that specific fight or a

2107
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 7: specific cross promotion with the PFL from happening.

2108
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 8: No, I'm not interested in that. We tried to make

2109
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 8: that fight, they didn't want to do it, and he

2110
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 8: doesn't fight here anymore. I'm not interested.

2111
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 7: So no fights with the PFL, just in general.

2112
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:48,680
Speaker 3: Should I.

2113
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 2: Possibilities?

2114
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 3: We got one, two and three. They can't sell a

2115
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 3: fucking gate.

2116
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 2: Talk to me, Dana, just a stupid question.

2117
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 8: But go ahead, talk to me. Why should why why

2118
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 8: would I do that? I try to make the fight

2119
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 8: here they didn't want to do it, but I should

2120
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 8: co promote with with with the with the you know,

2121
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 8: with with like a bellator or or a PFL.

2122
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 2: What why why? Why?

2123
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 3: Why why should I do that? Talk to me?

2124
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:23,679
Speaker 7: I guess it's just like as a partnership with ESPN

2125
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 7: or anything like that, just in general with just Copra

2126
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 7: Wonni you never made to make I guess, I mean

2127
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,440
Speaker 7: make fans happy, just for everyone to be involved.

2128
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 3: With each other. What because of ESPN as a partnership? Yes, h.

2129
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 8: Mm hmmm, you win the dumb question of the night.

2130
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 8: Congratulations sir. What did you want to say? Do you

2131
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 8: want to chime?

2132
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2133
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 3: Okay, bc uh.

2134
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 1: He didn't give a great response there, just a sort

2135
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 1: of an antagonistic one. My question to you is he

2136
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 1: says that they have no interest and they try it

2137
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter with Francis and John. But isn't right now

2138
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 1: actually the very best time to make this fight?

2139
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 2: It is it's hard Like I give that journalist I

2140
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 2: don't know who that is a lot of credit for

2141
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 2: asking it. These are the kind of things that we're

2142
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 2: regularly challenging those and I and look, I understand why

2143
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:24,839
Speaker 2: those who go to every single scrum and press conference

2144
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 2: maybe don't always ask super hard questions because their employment. Look,

2145
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 2: there's a quess.

2146
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 1: Ever, how about never Yeah, there's a press never ask.

2147
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 2: There's a precedent said if you keep asking difficult questions,

2148
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 2: but it's still important. I just don't like that. Whoever

2149
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 2: said that wasn't ready to because look, this was a

2150
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 2: rare time where Dana opened the floor for a brief

2151
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 2: second he said, okay, talk to me. And I actually,

2152
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm not against Dana having that sort of fucking attitude

2153
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 2: in that moment because if you're going to debate, you

2154
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 2: want Dana on the offensive. You want to have it.

2155
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 2: That should have been that journalist coming back with facts

2156
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 2: or certainly you know them saying oh maybe for ESPN

2157
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 2: doesn't look good, because why did Dana react so negatively?

2158
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 2: Because PFL is not going to be on ESPN next year.

2159
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,800
Speaker 2: We already figured out this, right, We already pretty much

2160
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 2: know that. We're just trying to figure out where they're

2161
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 2: gonna go, So it wouldn't make sense. But couple things,

2162
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 2: first and foremost no, it's rewriting history. I understand the

2163
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 2: stance he's saying. We tried to make the fight, and

2164
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 2: he did for a short season, but it was under

2165
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 2: distinctive rulings. It was we'll make this fight, Francis, and

2166
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 2: we will pay you one time fee of eight million,

2167
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 2: like the most we've ever paid anybody. But you have

2168
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,560
Speaker 2: to sign a really long contract with that's going to

2169
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 2: be more restrictive than the one you just got out of.

2170
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 2: All your paydays after that John fight will not be

2171
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 2: at that level. You know all the things that come

2172
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 2: with this. You're not gonna be able to box on

2173
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 2: the outside. And oh, by the way, we're not even

2174
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 2: willing to hear the demands you might want to have

2175
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:48,559
Speaker 2: of working with us to make this promotion more fighter friendly.

2176
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 2: So that first and foremost, then you add in the oh, wait,

2177
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 2: didn't Francis want this fight for the entire three years

2178
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 2: that John was out and you could have made it,

2179
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 2: except for it was John who was holding out Wan

2180
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 2: Deontay Wilder money and never got it. But the biggest

2181
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 2: thing I would have said if I was the one

2182
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 2: offering that and then was in a little back and

2183
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 2: forth with Dana, was Dana, what do you always say

2184
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 2: about boxing, that these motherfuckers can't get out of their

2185
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 2: own way, these greedy promoters that won't let me into

2186
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 2: their sandbox with ZUFA Boxing, Right, Dana thought he would

2187
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 2: just walk in and everybody would partner with him. He

2188
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 2: always says, Look, these guys can't get out of their

2189
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 2: own ways. They can't partner together and do what's right

2190
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 2: for the sport and make the fights that the fans want. Dana,

2191
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 2: it's no different in MMA, it's no different. I understand

2192
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 2: that there's not a great precedence and history of co

2193
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 2: promotion with the UFC, because when you get to a

2194
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 2: certain level, that becomes, let's just say, like not always

2195
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 2: the best move. If you want to act like you're

2196
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 2: above everybody than not working with them and making everybody

2197
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 2: come to you. You have that luxury, but let's at

2198
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 2: least tell the truth. Yeah, you tried to make it,

2199
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 2: but you tried to make it exclusively under your own terms.

2200
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 2: All those bad people in boxing that you talk about.

2201
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 2: Even though boxing has made more of these type of

2202
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 2: fights in the last couple of years than we've ever seen,

2203
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 2: from Wilder Fury to Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis, right,

2204
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:06,799
Speaker 2: people literally crossing the streets. How about Sean Porter, Terrence Crawford,

2205
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 2: like literally crossing the streets. But in general, here's the

2206
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 2: deal in boxing. Most of the times the big fights

2207
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 2: don't get made because it's really hard financially. But it

2208
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 2: would get made all of them if the B side

2209
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 2: was willing to basically say goodbye to my own promoter

2210
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 2: and network. I'm just gonna cross the street and do

2211
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 2: the fight on the A side's terms. Because that's what

2212
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 2: Dana saying. He's saying, Yeah, we'll do this fight tomorrow,

2213
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 2: but the pfl's got to send their fighter to us,

2214
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 2: and we're gonna sign them under our terms, meaning Francis,

2215
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:37,720
Speaker 2: and we're gonna do this. So yeah, Dana, you tried

2216
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 2: to do it, but you tried to do it under

2217
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: the old draconian controlling system, of which Francis would never

2218
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 2: agree to come back to after he worked as hard

2219
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 2: as he did to win a fight with a torn

2220
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 2: ACL and PCL or MCL whatever the hell that was,

2221
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:56,640
Speaker 2: and wrestled gone and crawled through the Shawshank tunnel. So

2222
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 2: it's disingenuous for him to say that that's the exa

2223
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 2: act criticism he has of boxing, yet he's now doing

2224
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 2: the exact same thing when he has the fight to

2225
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,639
Speaker 2: make Francis versus John. But like I think the biggest

2226
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 2: thing is Luke. He should just say what the truth is,

2227
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 2: which is we're not willing to do one offs with

2228
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 2: anyone else because they're not gonna sign Francis to one

2229
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 2: fight and bring in the PFLs the co promoter and

2230
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 2: just let what happens. If it's gonna happen, Francis has

2231
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 2: to be under contract with the UFC for a long

2232
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:30,640
Speaker 2: ass time under restrictive rules. So and if that's your

2233
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 2: stance where we're only gonna do it if it completely

2234
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 2: benefits us, I'm not gonna necessarily rail against you, but

2235
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 2: at least tell the truth. At the end of the day,

2236
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 2: kudos to to that guy for at least asking it.

2237
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 2: I wish he was a little bit more armed and

2238
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 2: ready to kind of go back and forth and bring

2239
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 2: up fighter pay and bring up the real reasons why

2240
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 2: we didn't see that fight. But yeah, I mean, look,

2241
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 2: next year, this PFL is probably on another network, so

2242
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be just like the ESPN thing where

2243
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 2: you just snap your fingers and Disney calls and makes

2244
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 2: it happen. It's not gonna be an easy fight to make.

2245
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 2: And look, I'll tell you right here. Unless Francis goes

2246
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:04,759
Speaker 2: on to win the boxing heavyweight title and just become

2247
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:08,720
Speaker 2: like the most famous crossover combat sports athlete than we've

2248
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 2: ever seen, you're not gonna see him in the UFC again.

2249
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 2: You're not gonna see John Jones versus Ghano. So just

2250
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:14,440
Speaker 2: to at least be honest.

2251
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 1: About that, dude, Yeah, I mean, I was, uh, listen

2252
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 1: as somebody who got dunked on once at a press

2253
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: conference and wasn't prepared for it. I have some sympathy

2254
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 1: for this reporter because if you notice what he does,

2255
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 1: be seen. What he does is he's answering the question,

2256
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 1: and part of it just gets messed up because I

2257
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:31,600
Speaker 1: guess Dana's hearing is messed up, so it kind of

2258
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 1: just interrupts the flow of conversation. Who knows, like how

2259
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: he's understanding what people tell him, So that part's you know,

2260
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: it's just nobody's fault, just the way that it goes.

2261
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 1: But he turns it immediately confrontational, right, and rather than

2262
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: you just asking you a question, and then this person's

2263
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 1: answering it. Now it's you versus me, right, And I

2264
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 1: don't think that reporter was prepared for that, and so

2265
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 1: he kind of got derailed. And you know, so I

2266
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: give him a pass. I understand that.

2267
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 2: I mean, we get old on. We get a lot

2268
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 2: of people that rip us and say, it's easy for

2269
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 2: you guys now with your own show, you don't have

2270
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 2: to You're not dependent upon going cage side. You're not

2271
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 2: dependent upon going to these scrums. Oh would you guys

2272
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:07,680
Speaker 2: raise your hand and do the same thing. We've done it.

2273
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,680
Speaker 2: I've done it. Look. I was there at that press

2274
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 2: conference in New York when I asked Gustafson ahead of

2275
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 2: the Jones rematch, Hey, Alex, you got any issues fighting John,

2276
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 2: knowing his proven history of failing ped tests. I remember

2277
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 2: you looked over at me across the road. You're like, Hey,

2278
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:23,879
Speaker 2: good luck getting credentialed in the future. You're never interviewing

2279
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 2: John again. I also on the on the remember the

2280
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 2: phone call they had when Maywether McGregor was announced that night,

2281
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 2: they had a teleconference vague vaguely, I was the one

2282
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 2: who asked Dana the really hard questions on that about

2283
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 2: how you said that you would never co promote and

2284
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 2: by like all that stuff, And you know what he

2285
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 2: told me, that's the most fucking stupidest question I've ever heard.

2286
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 2: So I've been up and down the road before here. Okay,

2287
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, we've been there. You

2288
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 2: can do it. There is a way to do it

2289
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 2: fair enough.

2290
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to say, like I've seen people

2291
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, we know, Dana's right. I'm just like,

2292
01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 1: I will never understand anyone in MMA constantly bragging about

2293
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 1: how MMA doesn't have the same to your point, doesn't

2294
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: have the same problems as boxing, where it's bad as

2295
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: an MMA fan when I watch boxing, promoters and boxers

2296
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,519
Speaker 1: not want to work together to make the fights that

2297
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 1: people want to pay money to see. But it's great

2298
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: when my favorite MMA promoter does it. I mean the

2299
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so inherently contradictory you can bear.

2300
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: It's like gobsmacking that someone can hold both views at

2301
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 1: the same time. Folks, let me explain to you how

2302
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 1: fight sports works. Let me just explain to you how

2303
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: with the fight because I don't think people understand this

2304
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 1: at any given time through the course of history, there

2305
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:41,640
Speaker 1: have been various champions or a group of fighters that

2306
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: the public knew and recognized as like the best or

2307
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: the ones that they cared about. This has changed over time.

2308
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 1: This has changed through sports, this has changed through eras,

2309
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of it comes now from the sanctioning bodies.

2310
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: Who you know, this person's a champion with this one

2311
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: or he has two belts. Right, there's sort of benefit

2312
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: conferred status there. But at some point that's what the

2313
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 1: public does, and the public now and I think quite

2314
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 1: rightly obviously, the public now looks at the UFC fighters

2315
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 1: and says, Okay, these are the ones that we care

2316
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 1: about the most. The UFC understands this dynamic, which is

2317
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:16,120
Speaker 1: why the reason they want to keep it so much,

2318
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 1: and how they do it is by making sure the

2319
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:21,360
Speaker 1: fighters don't have the ability to open the free market

2320
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:23,679
Speaker 1: and test it and to go to various places.

2321
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 3: Right.

2322
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 1: They sign them to long term deals. And we're not

2323
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: talking about just any old fighter. We're talking about the

2324
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:29,640
Speaker 1: high end pay per view ones, the ones that are

2325
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 1: the real difference makers. They sign to very exclusive deals

2326
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 1: that make it very very hard to get rid of,

2327
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:36,560
Speaker 1: especially if you're a high achiever. It's just hard to

2328
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: do that, and what happens when they can't do that,

2329
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:40,799
Speaker 1: when a Nate Ds gets out or when a Francis

2330
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:45,200
Speaker 1: gets out, look at the fucking result. Immediately questions begin

2331
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 1: to arise of Hey, shouldn't you be working in these

2332
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 1: other capacities with other promoters to make these fights. That's

2333
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:52,760
Speaker 1: why they want to keep it under lock and key.

2334
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:56,520
Speaker 1: What they want to hold is this general public impression

2335
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,560
Speaker 1: that they have the best and the way they do

2336
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:02,800
Speaker 1: that by making sure the very top tier guys don't

2337
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 1: have freedom of movement. That's the whole show, folks, that's

2338
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: the whole game. So when someone breaks free, and now

2339
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:12,360
Speaker 1: the equation is different because we see no one is

2340
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:16,679
Speaker 1: asking for Oam versus Islam Makachev. No one is asking

2341
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 1: for that, then there's no market for that, there's no

2342
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,680
Speaker 1: demand for it. But when we ask the question why

2343
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 1: should UFC do it? Number One, Everyone's gonna make money.

2344
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:26,679
Speaker 1: UFC is gonna make money, PFL is gonna make money.

2345
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:28,599
Speaker 1: France this is gonna make money. John's gonna make money.

2346
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:31,719
Speaker 1: This is not a losing venture. But the basic point

2347
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 1: is this the aside from the fact that the judge

2348
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:41,640
Speaker 1: and the anti trust case cited in point number two specifically, specifically,

2349
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 1: the reason why he certified the class is because the

2350
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:48,679
Speaker 1: UFC doesn't co promote, so already there's an anti trust

2351
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 1: problem with all of this. But the other point is

2352
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: so basic, folks, as a fan, as an observer, is

2353
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: it in your interest to watch a historically relevant EMINA

2354
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: fight be made? Yes? And if you can't ask the

2355
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: dominant promoter in the space to participate in this, what

2356
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 1: the fuck can you ask for? This is the most

2357
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 1: meaningful way, the most meaningful fight that they should be

2358
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: obligated to make. And I've got people going, oh, well,

2359
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 1: they're not gonna do it, it's not in their interest.

2360
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 1: That's the best way it should be. Are you out

2361
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 1: of your fucking mind? A mind?

2362
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 2: That would have been a great conter question for many

2363
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 2: journalists to raise their hands, say hey Dan about that topic, like,

2364
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:33,040
Speaker 2: do you feel you have a responsibility as the leading

2365
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 2: promoter to go out of your way to make the

2366
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 2: kind of fights that you just can't let pass by?

2367
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean like and he would get a lot he

2368
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 1: would say, he would say, oh, we tried to make it.

2369
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,519
Speaker 1: But BC fairness, they did try to do it. I

2370
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 1: understand that they were. There was an attempt made, but

2371
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 1: it was partly attached to a contract that you know

2372
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:52,600
Speaker 1: is Francis didn't like. And I can understand why he

2373
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 1: didn't like. It was a lot upfront, it was not

2374
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:56,320
Speaker 1: great later and again he was trying to get his

2375
01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 1: freedom to test the open market. But more to the point, BC,

2376
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:03,040
Speaker 1: it's a different fight now. Francis is in a different

2377
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 1: place now. Whatever its value was when they tried to

2378
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 1: make it, which would have been significant, no doubt about it,

2379
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 1: it's much bigger than that. Now it's a new ballgame.

2380
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 1: I understand if people just don't want to see Francis

2381
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,880
Speaker 1: versus John, if you just don't have an interest in that, Yeah,

2382
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:19,519
Speaker 1: of course you don't want them to co promote. If

2383
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:23,560
Speaker 1: you're a fan of any level of competence or just

2384
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: exposure to the fight game, this is one of the

2385
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:27,639
Speaker 1: most important fights that can get made in your whole

2386
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 1: fucking life. And the people going down they don't have

2387
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 1: an interest, no motherfucker, You're just a slave to their

2388
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: talking points. That's it.

2389
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 2: Like Look, I wrote a column last week for CBS

2390
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:40,840
Speaker 2: Sports that was just putting down to words all the

2391
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 2: kind of fears we've kind of had about this calendar

2392
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 2: year and what does it mean for the future. And

2393
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 2: you know, I got so many direct Twitter responses from

2394
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 2: the Dana Psycho fans that love UFC, and rightfully so

2395
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:53,440
Speaker 2: they're just like, oh, man, look at this guy. He's

2396
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 2: from a sport in boxing where they never make the

2397
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 2: biggest fights and he's just so sad. Yet UFC makes

2398
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 2: them all. Hey, guys, UFC is one promoter in one

2399
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 2: sport that built their entire model around what is boxing

2400
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 2: not doing? Let's establish the control because they bought a

2401
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 2: sport for a promotion for two million at a time

2402
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 2: where the sport was banned into their credit, built it up,

2403
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 2: but build it up with just insane control, abusive control

2404
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 2: over the fighters. Yeah, boxing we don't always see the

2405
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 2: best fights because it's separate promoters with separate network deals,

2406
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,519
Speaker 2: you know, across the globe. But yet we're going to

2407
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 2: compare that apples to apples with UFC, which is we're

2408
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 2: asking one promoter one time to look into the idea

2409
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 2: of co promotion. So it's it's if that's your comeback

2410
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,640
Speaker 2: that oh you're the boxing guy, so you're you're you know, no,

2411
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:43,799
Speaker 2: that's that doesn't work, right, boxing's an entirely different business

2412
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:46,560
Speaker 2: model and set up, and yet they still find a

2413
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 2: way to make the fights on time. No, but they

2414
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 2: still find a way to make those fights happen. So yeah, yeah,

2415
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 2: there's a lot that I hope changes across the UFC's

2416
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:56,439
Speaker 2: landscape in the next few years. Luke, there is a lot.

2417
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would just say this too lastly,

2418
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 1: like yes, I mean France, this would put PFL on

2419
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 1: the map a little bit. But the harsh truth, and

2420
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 1: UFC knows this, is that because they have so many

2421
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 1: guys under contract, and they have them for a long

2422
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 1: period of time, it's like, I don't know, folks really

2423
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 1: understand this. I've said it before. Belatore doesn't make money.

2424
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 1: It's basically gone now from Paramount or soon will be.

2425
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:20,720
Speaker 1: PFL doesn't make money. One doesn't make money. It is

2426
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 1: not because these people have no idea how to promote.

2427
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 1: You might like one better than the other, of course

2428
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm not saying UFC doesn't do a good

2429
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:31,040
Speaker 1: job when they want to. They definitely do, no doubt

2430
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 1: about it. But the reality here about this situation, when

2431
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 1: we really examine it, is even if they did a

2432
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 1: one off there's no way the PFL would ever be

2433
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 1: able to compete with the UFC. Ever, it's literally enshrined

2434
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 1: in contract to not be possible. What they could do

2435
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 1: is have a big one off together that would be

2436
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 1: a momentary boost for their fortunes, but never ever, ever,

2437
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 1: in any kind of way that would challenge their place

2438
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: in the market. When you realize that is the case

2439
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,520
Speaker 1: and you're not getting the fight, listen, if the UFC

2440
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 1: wants to come out and say we don't believe it's

2441
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 1: in our interest to co promote, let them say that.

2442
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:16,200
Speaker 1: As a consumer, that's not your interest. It's the opposite

2443
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:21,080
Speaker 1: of your interest. It's okay to have interests separate from them.

2444
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 1: Not a scandal. That's all all right, very good. BC.

2445
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 1: Put that behind us now before we get to our

2446
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,480
Speaker 1: DMS with Donks. I want to tell folks like BC

2447
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:32,160
Speaker 1: when we talk about working out, because we know we're

2448
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Speaker 1: trying to we're trying. It's for some folks B see

2449
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Speaker 1: winners hibernation season. For us, it's gonna be cut them

2450
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Speaker 1: up season. We're gonna be doing the hard work when

2451
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 1: no one's looking, so that by the time the weather

2452
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Speaker 1: gets better. But BC, you know this as well as

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Speaker 1: I do. You may hit a workout plateau. You don't

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Speaker 1: healthy again, right, yeah, it could.

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Speaker 2: So if you're still in the game. I always say

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01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 2: this to our male listeners out there. If you're still

2497
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 2: in the game and you're not taking care of yourself,

2498
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 2: it's one thing to be a wash dad luke. I've

2499
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Speaker 2: been married for sixteen years. I don't need abs, right,

2500
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:03,920
Speaker 2: But if you're still in the game, step your game up, bitch, dude.

2501
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 1: And also just this, like, if you don't use the

2502
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 1: muscles that you need, you'll lose them. And one thing,

2503
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 1: if I can just be totally serious, I've been researching,

2504
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 1: like what defines quality of life after sixty five for men?

2505
01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:17,320
Speaker 1: And there's many things. You know, did you smoke, do

2506
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 1: you drink, blah blah blah, lifestyle, sleep, but BC, deal

2507
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:23,080
Speaker 1: what the number one determine It is for how ambulatory

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01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: you can be. It is how much muscle mass you have.

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01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:29,200
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01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:31,160
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2511
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:33,520
Speaker 1: and now you can't get it back. Use it while

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01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:36,480
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01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:38,400
Speaker 1: time sixty five does roll around, you're ready to go.

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01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:40,320
Speaker 1: You can still hang out with the grandkids, the whole

2515
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:43,160
Speaker 1: nine yards. So all right, b C. With that in mind,

2516
01:58:43,240 --> 01:58:45,959
Speaker 1: It's time now for the dogs to ask us questions.

2517
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 1: It's time for dms from dogs.

2518
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 2: Yehaw all right?

2519
01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:56,040
Speaker 1: B C from Joshua does jiu jitsu. I wonder what

2520
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 1: his personality is all about. We often ask the question, quote,

2521
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 1: how a person's ability to translate up one or down,

2522
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 1: up one or down multiple weight classes. In the case

2523
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 1: of aspinall, how many weight classes down do you think

2524
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:12,839
Speaker 1: his skill set would translate provided cutting weight wasn't an issue,

2525
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:16,520
Speaker 1: so definitely down to two oh five? At one five,

2526
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 1: I think it would start to slow down a little bit.

2527
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 1: What do you think?

2528
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he died at one eighty five. But the question,

2529
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 2: the real question skill set?

2530
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:23,880
Speaker 1: The skill set?

2531
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think the skill set would be

2532
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 2: great if he's able to cut down because he's got

2533
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 2: such big power and speed. I mean, would it be

2534
01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:32,600
Speaker 2: affected maybe to some degree. But I think the question

2535
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 2: within the question right now for this man who usually

2536
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:36,760
Speaker 2: fights around what the two forties, but he came in

2537
01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:40,240
Speaker 2: high two fifties on short short notice here, is it

2538
01:59:40,360 --> 01:59:42,640
Speaker 2: actually possible? Not that he even needs to entertain it

2539
01:59:42,720 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 2: right now, but is it actually possible that he can

2540
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:45,760
Speaker 2: cut down two five? In your eyes?

2541
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:47,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's not what they're asking. They're just asking what

2542
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:50,240
Speaker 1: if a twozho five had his skill set or a

2543
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:52,480
Speaker 1: one eighty five or had his skill set all.

2544
01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:54,840
Speaker 2: Right, when we're talking about as well rounded as he is,

2545
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 2: I think that skill set could do great at middleweight

2546
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:58,960
Speaker 2: and light heavyweight if he could physically.

2547
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 1: Make Yeah, the bucks stops at one seventy four, sure,

2548
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:03,640
Speaker 1: and I think he might encounter problems with one eighty five,

2549
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 1: but definitely somebody like him could do well at two

2550
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:07,200
Speaker 1: oh five as well.

2551
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:09,400
Speaker 2: Yes, you think you can make it though, that's a

2552
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 2: he's a jack.

2553
02:00:10,280 --> 02:00:13,000
Speaker 1: No, no, fuck no, dude, he's walking around naturally around

2554
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:15,880
Speaker 1: two sixty ish and probably off camp to seventy to eighty. No,

2555
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:17,080
Speaker 1: no fucking change, no more.

2556
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 2: Way cutting one one day, somebody's gonna perish, Luke.

2557
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:22,520
Speaker 1: They already have. I remember when the guy from one

2558
02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 1: died and that they changed to the whole system they

2559
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:29,520
Speaker 1: had all right, two BC from Fisher Aiden. I asked

2560
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago if Alex won the title, when

2561
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,480
Speaker 1: you have a better MMA, I think career so far

2562
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:36,640
Speaker 1: than is he after his win on Saturday? Whose career

2563
02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:39,720
Speaker 1: is better so far? It's a great question. Wow, what

2564
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:40,400
Speaker 1: do you think, BC.

2565
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:45,640
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many more names on Autosnia's resume

2566
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:47,720
Speaker 2: are we taking into account? I mean, who's the more

2567
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:49,480
Speaker 2: decorated kickboxerre definitely.

2568
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:51,040
Speaker 1: Pereira, right, yeah, definitely put Ata.

2569
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he beat Azzy twice. So, uh, if we're

2570
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 2: talking about combat sports in general, he wins. What if

2571
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 2: we're just talking mma has? I mean, is he's got more?

2572
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:04,000
Speaker 2: You know, he's got title defenses, he's got multiple wins

2573
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:06,080
Speaker 2: over important names. I mean he beat Winner or twice.

2574
02:01:07,240 --> 02:01:08,960
Speaker 2: What do you get? What do you say more his

2575
02:01:09,080 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 2: time on top? Is the palm for pound king in

2576
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:14,760
Speaker 2: definitive champion of a great division? Or are you gonna

2577
02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:16,840
Speaker 2: give it to this Johnny cum lately who has two

2578
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:19,120
Speaker 2: world titles and seven you have here?

2579
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:21,680
Speaker 1: Here's one thing you can definitely say who was a

2580
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 1: better middleweight? Izzy? Is he was a much better middleweight

2581
02:01:26,240 --> 02:01:28,080
Speaker 1: about that. There can be no doubt. I mean just

2582
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:31,839
Speaker 1: not in the names he beat, including most recently Alex himself.

2583
02:01:32,600 --> 02:01:35,760
Speaker 1: He had multiple title defenses, he beat different generations and

2584
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 1: types of fighters. He was a much better middleweight. But

2585
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:41,720
Speaker 1: it gets complicated, BC, when now he's got two fucking

2586
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:44,800
Speaker 1: titles in two weight classes, when is he failed at that?

2587
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:47,800
Speaker 1: So the story is not over yet. I want to

2588
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:51,160
Speaker 1: see how everything evolves, because obviously, if is he fights

2589
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:53,960
Speaker 1: him again and then loses again, that would change it.

2590
02:01:54,040 --> 02:01:56,080
Speaker 1: But if he wins and he becomes the champ, well

2591
02:01:56,120 --> 02:01:58,040
Speaker 1: then you could just easily say it was Izzy. I mean,

2592
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:03,960
Speaker 1: I would still say is he because yeah, I don't know.

2593
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. The Only thing I can confidently say

2594
02:02:06,440 --> 02:02:08,640
Speaker 1: is that is he was a much better middleweight. About that,

2595
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:10,400
Speaker 1: there's no denying after that.

2596
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:14,480
Speaker 2: Some fans on X in response to me wanting a

2597
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:17,280
Speaker 2: third m m A, is he fight at two o

2598
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:19,680
Speaker 2: five against pot time basically saying, and I want to

2599
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:22,000
Speaker 2: get your reaction to this, Luke, why the hell would

2600
02:02:22,040 --> 02:02:23,400
Speaker 2: is he fight this guy at two o five? He

2601
02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:25,640
Speaker 2: would have zero advantages at that weight.

2602
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:29,640
Speaker 1: Class for the glory. It may not be just a

2603
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:31,720
Speaker 1: function of what the advantages are. It might be a

2604
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:36,160
Speaker 1: function of it's a chance for a belt against the

2605
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:39,000
Speaker 1: storied rival, and a fight of massive consequence like that

2606
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:42,240
Speaker 1: alone would get it versus is it. I do agree

2607
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:45,960
Speaker 1: the chances for him are better at one A five

2608
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,640
Speaker 1: than two o five, But I don't know what is

2609
02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:50,000
Speaker 1: he wants. I just don't know. I don't know how

2610
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:50,520
Speaker 1: that's going to go.

2611
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 2: Should text him? Should text him?

2612
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2613
02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:55,480
Speaker 1: I should. I'm sure he'll get right on that, all right.

2614
02:02:55,520 --> 02:03:00,480
Speaker 1: B C from n stem Oh, good question. What into

2615
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:05,080
Speaker 1: usman Nurmaga Maidov BC? So over the weekend it was

2616
02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:08,440
Speaker 1: revealed I think reported first Arieljwane and then later some

2617
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 1: other places picked it up. So there was a flag

2618
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:14,200
Speaker 1: on one of the drug tests for Usmin nimburgam Madoff,

2619
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:16,440
Speaker 1: who was up until this point the Belitori one to

2620
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:22,000
Speaker 1: fifty five champion. The CSAC did confirm that they suspended him, However,

2621
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:23,880
Speaker 1: they only suspended him for six months, and what they

2622
02:03:23,960 --> 02:03:26,560
Speaker 1: also confirmed was he had a prescription for it. He

2623
02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:29,480
Speaker 1: just failed to disclose it up front, so they gave

2624
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:31,800
Speaker 1: him about as brief as suspension as they're going to

2625
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 1: he can. He did lose his title on the fight

2626
02:03:34,440 --> 02:03:37,560
Speaker 1: against Primis. I guess gets overturned to a no contest,

2627
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:39,160
Speaker 1: but he is going to try and get back in

2628
02:03:39,200 --> 02:03:41,960
Speaker 1: the tournament and then compete all the way through. Your

2629
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:43,280
Speaker 1: reaction to what happened.

2630
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the immediate news was that he was what stripped

2631
02:03:45,160 --> 02:03:48,000
Speaker 2: of the title, pulled from the tournament. Primis would move

2632
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:51,280
Speaker 2: into the finals to face the winner of Shabilee against

2633
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 2: who's his opponent?

2634
02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:54,440
Speaker 1: Luke, I don't even know, all.

2635
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:58,600
Speaker 2: Right, Ali Delasi's manager to the Stars, did come out

2636
02:03:58,640 --> 02:04:00,840
Speaker 2: on social media and basically say like, we're gonna get

2637
02:04:00,840 --> 02:04:02,800
Speaker 2: this fixed. It's you know, it's this, it's it's not

2638
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:04,760
Speaker 2: a big deal. He'll be in that fight, He'll be

2639
02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:06,640
Speaker 2: back in that tournament. So we'll have to wait and see.

2640
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 2: Is this, though, like a disturbing update on a guy

2641
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:13,280
Speaker 2: who looks like so ready right now to take over? Yeah,

2642
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:15,480
Speaker 2: it kind of sucks. But Luke, is this similar? Is

2643
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:18,600
Speaker 2: this do you think this is closer to the Maira

2644
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:23,240
Speaker 2: Bueno Silva exactly? So in this case, is this this

2645
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:25,240
Speaker 2: is like a new category that we're dealing with her.

2646
02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah they got popped. Yeah they made a minor mistake,

2647
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:30,880
Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're covering up PDU

2648
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:31,920
Speaker 2: sports listen and.

2649
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:36,160
Speaker 1: If people, people are insane, right, so what they'll do

2650
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:39,960
Speaker 1: is for whatever reason, I don't fully understand it, but

2651
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:43,560
Speaker 1: the Nimergamadovs are polarizing to an extent. They have extreme

2652
02:04:43,640 --> 02:04:45,840
Speaker 1: loyalty among a certain part of the fan base, and

2653
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:47,600
Speaker 1: then there's another part of the fan base that can't

2654
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:53,240
Speaker 1: stand them. The reality is this, folks, if the California

2655
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:57,360
Speaker 1: Commission is giving you a six month suspension for some

2656
02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:59,760
Speaker 1: kind of drug infraction, that's about as small as they

2657
02:04:59,800 --> 02:05:02,440
Speaker 1: can give it, Like that tells you it's merely administrative

2658
02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:06,160
Speaker 1: in nature. So this idea that like, oh, they caught

2659
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:09,040
Speaker 1: him on steroids or something like that, there's no fucking

2660
02:05:09,240 --> 02:05:12,640
Speaker 1: way possible that they give him a six month suspension

2661
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 1: for anything that pharmaceutical high grade not in any way possible.

2662
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:19,880
Speaker 1: So I don't really think it's that big a deal.

2663
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:22,760
Speaker 1: But folks are gonna take any kind of news like

2664
02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:25,120
Speaker 1: this and then then decide, oh, well, these guys are

2665
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:27,200
Speaker 1: all on steroids because I want them to be because

2666
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't like them already, and I'm going to not

2667
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:32,720
Speaker 1: have reading comprehension in any of these stories. Hell, I'm

2668
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 1: not even gonna read them to begin with, and then

2669
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:39,520
Speaker 1: just decide headlines equal steroids. It just sort of I mean, basically,

2670
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:41,800
Speaker 1: if anyone is coming out here and maybe like I

2671
02:05:41,960 --> 02:05:43,680
Speaker 1: knew it, all these guys were blah blah blah blah blah,

2672
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:46,760
Speaker 1: they're just telling you I haven't done any good faith

2673
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:49,480
Speaker 1: interpretation of this. I just don't like these fucking guys.

2674
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:50,960
Speaker 1: So this is how I feel.

2675
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 2: Womb there it is. You nailed it.

2676
02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:55,720
Speaker 1: Yep, that's it, and for some reason I lost.

2677
02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:58,160
Speaker 2: I hope he clears his name. Luke, I love that guy.

2678
02:05:58,400 --> 02:05:58,880
Speaker 2: It's true.

2679
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:03,120
Speaker 1: That's great BC. I'm gonna ask this question that I

2680
02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:09,640
Speaker 1: got to fix my headphones real quickly. So it's Nicholas asks.

2681
02:06:10,040 --> 02:06:12,120
Speaker 1: By the end of twenty twenty four, which country will

2682
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:14,840
Speaker 1: have the most reigning champions across all weight classes male

2683
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:18,400
Speaker 1: and female. Currently we have three x USA, two x UK.

2684
02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 1: By the way, first time in UFC history we've had

2685
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:23,280
Speaker 1: two English champions at the same time. Big achievement for them.

2686
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:27,360
Speaker 1: Two x Brazil, one Australia, one China, one Mexico and

2687
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:30,040
Speaker 1: one Dogistan over to the UBC. While I fix my headphones, I.

2688
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:32,560
Speaker 2: Think Dugistan is part of Russia last time I checked.

2689
02:06:32,840 --> 02:06:36,880
Speaker 2: Could it be the US? Is Is this a renaissance

2690
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:39,280
Speaker 2: period for the good old US of A? Because I

2691
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:41,880
Speaker 2: might start wearing stars and stripes on my shirts again, Luke,

2692
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,400
Speaker 2: cannot be afraid at what you think that does to

2693
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,880
Speaker 2: the legacy of the flag. It does look I think

2694
02:06:46,920 --> 02:06:49,560
Speaker 2: Brazil is going to have another rush obviously. UK is

2695
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:53,600
Speaker 2: really showing a lot of potential here. France too, by

2696
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:58,280
Speaker 2: the way, I mean Farroh San Dani gone and gone new.

2697
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:00,280
Speaker 6: Uh.

2698
02:07:01,120 --> 02:07:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, though, Luke, I don't know what's gonna happen.

2699
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:04,920
Speaker 2: These belts change hands all the damn time. Nobody can

2700
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:06,880
Speaker 2: keep it for a long time anymore. I don't know.

2701
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:09,560
Speaker 2: But could this be a uh? I mean, we haven't

2702
02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:13,160
Speaker 2: seen an American revolution a MMA since since wrestling was

2703
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 2: the main foundation, right, Matt Hughes that nor Viowa No, no,

2704
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:17,520
Speaker 2: no no.

2705
02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:19,920
Speaker 1: Chris Widman was like the update to that, a guy

2706
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:22,360
Speaker 1: who could wrestle and then also strike.

2707
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:25,120
Speaker 2: You know, rock Hold too. Yeah, all right, I don't know,

2708
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:26,720
Speaker 2: what do you think, Luke, I don't I don't know.

2709
02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't know who the next English champion would be.

2710
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I see that. Brazil is always going

2711
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:34,800
Speaker 1: to be in the running. USA are going to always

2712
02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:38,240
Speaker 1: be in the running. Australia. Australia's got some up and comers.

2713
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:39,560
Speaker 1: That's an interesting one maybe.

2714
02:07:39,600 --> 02:07:41,360
Speaker 2: I mean Mexico's turning it around quick.

2715
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean, well, China's not ready, although Jan but Jan

2716
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:47,800
Speaker 1: Nn would have to beat Jong Wilee, so you would

2717
02:07:47,800 --> 02:07:51,560
Speaker 1: get another Chinese champion, but not at the same time. Uh.

2718
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:53,720
Speaker 1: And then Russia. Russia is always going to be in

2719
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:55,440
Speaker 1: the fucking ball game. It's the question, is not that.

2720
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:59,160
Speaker 1: The question is like, aside from these like, you know, powerhouses,

2721
02:07:59,200 --> 02:08:00,840
Speaker 1: and then you've got like kind of listed in there,

2722
02:08:01,400 --> 02:08:04,360
Speaker 1: what other country that's not a powerhouse, like Spain might

2723
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:06,920
Speaker 1: have Illiot Tuporia, France might have Cyril Gone or.

2724
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:10,960
Speaker 2: Just one, just one. You know, if you're gonna have

2725
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:14,320
Speaker 2: multiple champs, look out from Mexico because dude, they're people

2726
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:16,800
Speaker 2: are popping up on a world class level. Left right,

2727
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:19,280
Speaker 2: anyone coming out of that gym? Is that the Lobo

2728
02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:22,800
Speaker 2: gym that that Danny Siagara visited, Luke, that gym's on fire.

2729
02:08:23,200 --> 02:08:27,480
Speaker 1: What does lobo mean in Spanish? BC, I have no idea.

2730
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:31,600
Speaker 2: Wolf wolf Remember Rebecca Lobo.

2731
02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:34,720
Speaker 1: That's right basketball player, right, Yeah, she lives.

2732
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:36,080
Speaker 2: A couple of towns from me, Luke. I think she

2733
02:08:36,120 --> 02:08:38,280
Speaker 2: still works at ESPN. She was a hero in these

2734
02:08:38,360 --> 02:08:39,240
Speaker 2: parts of Connecticut.

2735
02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:41,840
Speaker 1: I bet I bet yeah, all right? From a a

2736
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:46,400
Speaker 1: ron Uh. If I could choose a walkout song for

2737
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:49,640
Speaker 1: any UFC fighter, I'd go with Walk, which is by Pantera.

2738
02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:53,960
Speaker 1: For Matt Brown LT. What slightly likely, slightly deserving but

2739
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 1: fitting song would you choose for pet Aida BC? What

2740
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:01,800
Speaker 1: way too soft song did you choose for Aspenall? Because

2741
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:02,800
Speaker 1: you can go first on this one.

2742
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:04,920
Speaker 2: So why does Aspinall have to have a way too

2743
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:07,480
Speaker 2: soft song? Can you have like a badass classic rock

2744
02:09:07,560 --> 02:09:08,600
Speaker 2: song from the UK? Can?

2745
02:09:08,600 --> 02:09:09,840
Speaker 1: All right? Like pick one?

2746
02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:12,840
Speaker 2: Can't he come out to like Hush by Deep Purple

2747
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:14,400
Speaker 2: or something? Luke coming come on right?

2748
02:09:15,720 --> 02:09:20,280
Speaker 1: Hush, that's bad ass?

2749
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:25,000
Speaker 2: Hush, Hush that courd you calling my name?

2750
02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:25,200
Speaker 1: Now?

2751
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:27,720
Speaker 2: Hush? You don't like that song? Luke? That song movie?

2752
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:29,880
Speaker 1: I didn't like it, but I wouldn't describe it as

2753
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:30,560
Speaker 1: bad ass?

2754
02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:31,480
Speaker 6: All right?

2755
02:09:31,480 --> 02:09:33,520
Speaker 2: How about some blue Oyster could now? Look, what do

2756
02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:36,280
Speaker 2: you want? You probably got something and that involves like

2757
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:39,640
Speaker 2: coult rock and you know, you.

2758
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:42,080
Speaker 1: Know what, By the way, you know what's a punk band?

2759
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:43,840
Speaker 1: I've kind of gotten into a little bit that bit

2760
02:09:43,880 --> 02:09:48,320
Speaker 1: more like a hardcore band. Trapped under Ice. Trapped under

2761
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:50,360
Speaker 1: Ice is legit. I do like Trapped under Ice?

2762
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:51,600
Speaker 3: All right?

2763
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:56,240
Speaker 1: What about there's actually a Metallica cover of the Misfit

2764
02:09:56,360 --> 02:10:00,280
Speaker 1: song I Got something to say? I killed Joe Baby

2765
02:10:00,360 --> 02:10:03,520
Speaker 1: to day. It doesn't matter much to me not.

2766
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:06,000
Speaker 2: Into that that that that's kind of the theme the

2767
02:10:06,080 --> 02:10:07,400
Speaker 2: themes that you're going with there, Luke.

2768
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, okay, I don't I don't know. You

2769
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:11,880
Speaker 1: know what easy easy one for the Brazilian How about

2770
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:16,280
Speaker 1: Roots Bloody Roots by Sepultura. Toura was a Brazilian heavy

2771
02:10:16,360 --> 02:10:18,640
Speaker 1: metal band and Roots Bloody Roots is like a sick

2772
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:21,000
Speaker 1: fucking song. I like that.

2773
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:23,920
Speaker 2: Did you see the walkouts over the weekend? Uh? For

2774
02:10:24,080 --> 02:10:26,480
Speaker 2: Vola came out to the horn friendly New York Mets

2775
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:27,120
Speaker 2: Closer theme.

2776
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I had a bunch of

2777
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:30,800
Speaker 1: European people ask me, like, dude, what song is that?

2778
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:33,000
Speaker 1: It was so great. I'm like, all right, I guess

2779
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:35,240
Speaker 1: the Mets Closer song is is hot in Europe.

2780
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:38,880
Speaker 2: What about the who came out to that Canelo song?

2781
02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:42,840
Speaker 1: Oh, Diego Lopez. H it's a Santa Fe Clan and

2782
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:48,080
Speaker 1: some other fucking guy. But yeah, Canelo walked out with

2783
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:52,400
Speaker 1: Santa Fe Clan at the Jermel Charlo fight, which was sick,

2784
02:10:52,720 --> 02:10:53,320
Speaker 1: super sick.

2785
02:10:53,960 --> 02:10:55,880
Speaker 2: I saw that. Matt Brown, by the way, posted videos

2786
02:10:55,880 --> 02:10:57,920
Speaker 2: She's learning the bass now, Luke so he posted some

2787
02:10:58,160 --> 02:10:59,320
Speaker 2: some bass videos.

2788
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:02,120
Speaker 1: Along with his renaissance man renaissance.

2789
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:04,080
Speaker 2: I love Matt Brown. He's great. All right, I gotta

2790
02:11:04,080 --> 02:11:05,440
Speaker 2: get through this ship, Luke, because I got a great

2791
02:11:05,480 --> 02:11:09,240
Speaker 2: interview with Andre all right, I scot with the Globe yesterday,

2792
02:11:09,320 --> 02:11:11,480
Speaker 2: high low, good, bead all that bs. Here's my ship

2793
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:19,560
Speaker 2: of the week. I hope you God how you've got

2794
02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:25,280
Speaker 2: aids shitty male viewers? All right, Luke UFC two ninety

2795
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:29,240
Speaker 2: five from MSG. This is dedicated to Poloton to the

2796
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:34,720
Speaker 2: Champ goes the Spoils. Watch Alex Pereira house this pizza

2797
02:11:34,760 --> 02:11:38,560
Speaker 2: pie afterwards, Luke. Okay, first he's going to attack one slice,

2798
02:11:38,920 --> 02:11:41,240
Speaker 2: then he's going to combine them together to make a

2799
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:42,880
Speaker 2: Brazilian sandwich. What do you think of this?

2800
02:11:43,720 --> 02:11:44,000
Speaker 6: So far?

2801
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 1: So good?

2802
02:11:46,920 --> 02:11:48,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the fact guy.

2803
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a fat guy, but that's the fact.

2804
02:11:50,240 --> 02:11:53,280
Speaker 2: That I get manly. I bet you a guy like

2805
02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:56,040
Speaker 2: him who walks around so much bigger can just destroy

2806
02:11:56,160 --> 02:11:56,960
Speaker 2: food after the fight.

2807
02:11:57,280 --> 02:11:59,000
Speaker 1: Could he eat a whole pizza in one go?

2808
02:11:59,120 --> 02:12:02,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to see he wouldn't need my fact trick

2809
02:12:02,840 --> 02:12:04,800
Speaker 2: at the train station. He'd just go right through the

2810
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 2: pie right away. Luke haired Pie. Right, the eighties were great, right, yeah, okay, hey,

2811
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:13,520
Speaker 2: let's keep it going here. He had the coldest call out,

2812
02:12:13,600 --> 02:12:14,320
Speaker 2: let's listen.

2813
02:12:15,480 --> 02:12:19,360
Speaker 1: Here, then come through that in you're talking about Israel.

2814
02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:23,040
Speaker 1: He then.

2815
02:12:25,560 --> 02:12:27,160
Speaker 4: Oh god, uh.

2816
02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:31,120
Speaker 2: Luke Jamal Hill gave an instant reaction to the stoppage

2817
02:12:31,200 --> 02:12:35,200
Speaker 2: of Mark Goddard after Perreira won, let's hear it. Oh, well,

2818
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:40,880
Speaker 2: whoever it is, I don't know where the really is. Dang.

2819
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:46,680
Speaker 1: People got bitter at him for that, and I don't

2820
02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:49,320
Speaker 1: understand why. Why would you get mad about a fighter

2821
02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:52,200
Speaker 1: being confident and believing he's still the champ since he

2822
02:12:52,240 --> 02:12:53,600
Speaker 1: didn't actually lose the title.

2823
02:12:53,720 --> 02:12:56,960
Speaker 2: I'm all in. He he survived that really bad bus ride.

2824
02:12:57,000 --> 02:12:59,400
Speaker 2: You see they ran into protesters Friday night in Manhattan.

2825
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got it all worked out.

2826
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:08,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Also, Luke Pereira the scariest mfor and combat sports

2827
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,640
Speaker 2: these days. Here's the pick backstage of the way, and

2828
02:13:11,160 --> 02:13:11,880
Speaker 2: this is awesome.

2829
02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:14,880
Speaker 1: What is this? This isn't it? I don't know what

2830
02:13:15,120 --> 02:13:18,880
Speaker 1: this is called or whatever, but like, authentic expressions of

2831
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:22,200
Speaker 1: culture like this are the absolute fucking best. That's what

2832
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:22,600
Speaker 1: I think.

2833
02:13:22,680 --> 02:13:26,320
Speaker 2: Yes, but it wasn't without catching strays. Jan Blokhovich came

2834
02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:29,080
Speaker 2: at Poeton over the Twitter. Let's see what he said.

2835
02:13:30,760 --> 02:13:33,400
Speaker 2: He said, I know you're a slimy one calling out

2836
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:36,040
Speaker 2: is he great performance and all, but shut the f up.

2837
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:39,120
Speaker 2: We have unfinished business you and I. The judges won't

2838
02:13:39,160 --> 02:13:43,760
Speaker 2: give you handouts next time. Pathetic. Wow, I didn't expect

2839
02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:44,200
Speaker 2: that from you.

2840
02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:46,880
Speaker 1: On right, that's that's a little strong, the pathetic side.

2841
02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:48,880
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was quite pathetic.

2842
02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:52,000
Speaker 2: But no, I didn't think all right. Elsewhere at two

2843
02:13:52,120 --> 02:13:55,360
Speaker 2: ninety five, Hey, Lupy Godinyaz, despite that crappy third scorecard

2844
02:13:55,400 --> 02:13:57,800
Speaker 2: from Brian Minor, had a really nice win over Baby Shark.

2845
02:13:57,840 --> 02:13:58,880
Speaker 2: What do you think of the dance, Luke?

2846
02:13:59,560 --> 02:14:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I clean the floor. That's that's what

2847
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:04,640
Speaker 1: I do. I don't know what this is called. I

2848
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:05,000
Speaker 1: don't know.

2849
02:14:05,240 --> 02:14:05,640
Speaker 4: I like it.

2850
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's some kind of cultural dance. I do

2851
02:14:08,120 --> 02:14:08,320
Speaker 1: not know.

2852
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, how about the respect showing between Aspinall

2853
02:14:12,080 --> 02:14:15,760
Speaker 2: and Pavlovitch during the referee instructions? This was weird. Did

2854
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:16,280
Speaker 2: you like it?

2855
02:14:16,840 --> 02:14:16,880
Speaker 7: No?

2856
02:14:17,120 --> 02:14:19,960
Speaker 1: I did it, but it reminded me of how you

2857
02:14:20,200 --> 02:14:22,280
Speaker 1: refused to hug me. And then these two guys fist

2858
02:14:22,360 --> 02:14:24,560
Speaker 1: fought and they gave each other a hugy see, so

2859
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:25,320
Speaker 1: we have to say about that.

2860
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. I'd love to talk to

2861
02:14:28,240 --> 02:14:32,680
Speaker 2: Dan Mirragliata about how many small restrooms on foreign soil

2862
02:14:32,760 --> 02:14:36,480
Speaker 2: he's just absolutely destroyed. Looked like big John style, just

2863
02:14:36,680 --> 02:14:40,080
Speaker 2: just br just blowing up the kommode. You know he

2864
02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:41,800
Speaker 2: has those stories in him. Can we get him on

2865
02:14:41,800 --> 02:14:42,080
Speaker 2: the show?

2866
02:14:42,080 --> 02:14:44,200
Speaker 1: You think, Yeah, let's ask him how many times he's

2867
02:14:44,240 --> 02:14:45,600
Speaker 1: taking a shit in a foreign country?

2868
02:14:46,240 --> 02:14:49,840
Speaker 2: All right? Hey, Jared Gordon had an inspirational speech afterwards

2869
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:52,440
Speaker 2: about Heroin and Penn Station. But look at the brutal

2870
02:14:52,520 --> 02:14:54,520
Speaker 2: finish of Marco Madsen that set it up.

2871
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was nice. And the clinch that left collar

2872
02:14:56,680 --> 02:14:58,760
Speaker 1: tie comes right over the top and then blows them away.

2873
02:14:58,840 --> 02:15:02,240
Speaker 1: Here BC, let me tell the folks a true story

2874
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:04,360
Speaker 1: about Penn Station, Like when you want to know how

2875
02:15:04,440 --> 02:15:07,240
Speaker 1: gross it is. Yeah, one time walked into the bathroom

2876
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:09,920
Speaker 1: at Penn Station and there was a homeless guy shaving

2877
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:14,280
Speaker 1: his pubes in the sink. So enjoy that true story.

2878
02:15:14,840 --> 02:15:16,920
Speaker 2: All right, Your punch of the week, Luke doesn't come

2879
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:20,120
Speaker 2: from Mma. It comes from the Texas A and M game.

2880
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:22,360
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, we got one more for you. Here's Diego

2881
02:15:22,440 --> 02:15:24,760
Speaker 2: Lopez says, let's give him some flowers. Luke, what a

2882
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:25,640
Speaker 2: brutal finish show.

2883
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:27,240
Speaker 1: Not only did he get the KO, he got the

2884
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:29,760
Speaker 1: KO with seven haircuts at the same time.

2885
02:15:32,840 --> 02:15:35,760
Speaker 2: We'll be seeing more on this segment about his chest tat.

2886
02:15:35,880 --> 02:15:38,120
Speaker 2: But that's a great win. He's fun as shit. What

2887
02:15:38,240 --> 02:15:40,200
Speaker 2: a year for him. I love it. Punch of the

2888
02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 2: week comes from this Texas A and M Lineman, who

2889
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:52,840
Speaker 2: was ejected for this move. Oh wow, the uppercut to

2890
02:15:52,960 --> 02:15:56,200
Speaker 2: the pills, that is Elayne Kiffin did not like that one.

2891
02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:58,800
Speaker 1: Why my man kind of stood there a little bit,

2892
02:15:58,840 --> 02:15:59,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he could have.

2893
02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah along, he was all right, Hey, big week for farting, Luke.

2894
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:06,520
Speaker 2: You ever try this party trick?

2895
02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:15,640
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2896
02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:18,680
Speaker 1: This man is an American hero. And I can tell

2897
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:21,640
Speaker 1: he's American because of how disgusting and awful he is.

2898
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:23,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, I love him. I love him.

2899
02:16:23,960 --> 02:16:26,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's continue this segment, but on the MMA

2900
02:16:26,600 --> 02:16:29,280
Speaker 2: mats with some of Jesus for a second.

2901
02:16:29,320 --> 02:16:31,839
Speaker 5: But this move is gonna work. Fall in a position,

2902
02:16:32,440 --> 02:16:37,760
Speaker 5: go ahead and hook turn the arm around. Getting here Now.

2903
02:16:40,400 --> 02:16:44,120
Speaker 5: Fortunately for me, I'm ready for this because last night

2904
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:47,360
Speaker 5: I had about four cans of baked beans, half pound

2905
02:16:47,440 --> 02:16:50,280
Speaker 5: of curry, and a whole side of smoked halib it.

2906
02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:54,640
Speaker 5: So my guestro intestinal system is fully loaded and he's

2907
02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:56,840
Speaker 5: in perfect position for a little move.

2908
02:16:56,879 --> 02:17:22,800
Speaker 1: I like to call the gas chamber. This is gonna work.

2909
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:25,400
Speaker 2: Look, that's what it's like to work in the same

2910
02:17:25,520 --> 02:17:28,000
Speaker 2: studio as you, right there, exactly like that.

2911
02:17:28,520 --> 02:17:29,280
Speaker 1: You're welcome.

2912
02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's check in on the old stars and stripes.

2913
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:35,680
Speaker 1: Look, I want you to just the back there by

2914
02:17:35,680 --> 02:17:35,920
Speaker 1: the way.

2915
02:17:36,440 --> 02:17:38,840
Speaker 2: Oh really, is this an acceptable use of the stars

2916
02:17:38,879 --> 02:17:41,520
Speaker 2: and stripes at this basketball game? They didn't have a flag,

2917
02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:44,520
Speaker 2: so they use that guy's zubaz pants. You're down with that.

2918
02:17:45,240 --> 02:17:47,120
Speaker 1: Just shut down the whole school and burn it to

2919
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:50,119
Speaker 1: the ground. I mean absolute, You know, it's a meeting

2920
02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:53,360
Speaker 1: of al Qaeda as far as I'm concerned. Total disrespect

2921
02:17:53,360 --> 02:17:54,360
Speaker 1: to our country and flag.

2922
02:17:54,760 --> 02:17:56,680
Speaker 2: Is this an acceptable use of the flag at this

2923
02:17:56,800 --> 02:18:07,640
Speaker 2: Alaskan festival? What the fuck are they doing celebrating America? Obviously?

2924
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:09,800
Speaker 2: Luke okay, all right, you know what I mean.

2925
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:13,040
Speaker 1: I just love how like doing outrageously dumb shit has

2926
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:16,720
Speaker 1: become like American, like this, this is very American. It's like,

2927
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:18,840
Speaker 1: why because they're doing like real dumb shit. I don't.

2928
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much that pretty much. Well, they did dumb

2929
02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:23,080
Speaker 2: shit in Jamaica over the weekend. Fifty five year old

2930
02:18:23,160 --> 02:18:27,400
Speaker 2: James Tony boxed fifty nine year old Donovan Razor Ruddick,

2931
02:18:27,440 --> 02:18:30,800
Speaker 2: who had some serious moves going on. Luke, I don't

2932
02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:32,840
Speaker 2: know who sanctioned this. I don't. I don't like it

2933
02:18:32,959 --> 02:18:33,200
Speaker 2: at all.

2934
02:18:33,560 --> 02:18:36,000
Speaker 1: Well, I guess they're still showing titties on pay per view.

2935
02:18:36,040 --> 02:18:41,520
Speaker 2: Huh oh boy. I mean, like they didn't fight that

2936
02:18:41,720 --> 02:18:44,280
Speaker 2: bad in these highlights. But dude, this is just CT

2937
02:18:44,760 --> 02:18:45,560
Speaker 2: on top of CT.

2938
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:47,640
Speaker 1: Just people do like it's not that big, do you know.

2939
02:18:47,640 --> 02:18:49,320
Speaker 1: It's blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm like, guys,

2940
02:18:49,400 --> 02:18:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're going to go to the hospital.

2941
02:18:50,959 --> 02:18:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying they're here because so many things have gone

2942
02:18:53,520 --> 02:18:54,280
Speaker 1: wrong in their life.

2943
02:18:54,360 --> 02:18:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, Well, speaking of sad,

2944
02:18:56,480 --> 02:19:01,600
Speaker 2: let's watch this Uber delivery driver here, Luke. Oh, sorry,

2945
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:03,000
Speaker 2: Instacart shopping.

2946
02:19:03,280 --> 02:19:07,600
Speaker 1: All right, I'm not all right, I'm not gonna mock okay,

2947
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean that was a bad tumble. That was a

2948
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:12,560
Speaker 1: bad tumble. I don't want to mock the insta cart shopper.

2949
02:19:12,640 --> 02:19:13,280
Speaker 1: That's a hard job.

2950
02:19:13,320 --> 02:19:16,320
Speaker 2: Bro Okay, all right, Luke, will you mock David Goggins

2951
02:19:16,360 --> 02:19:16,640
Speaker 2: at all?

2952
02:19:20,920 --> 02:19:24,000
Speaker 4: I like to get a bunch of mint together, men

2953
02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:28,160
Speaker 4: that are the hardest of the heart, and I want

2954
02:19:28,200 --> 02:19:30,120
Speaker 4: to be with these men. I like to get a

2955
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:31,080
Speaker 4: bunch of men together.

2956
02:19:34,480 --> 02:19:36,320
Speaker 2: I guess that explains why it hangs out with Tony.

2957
02:19:36,400 --> 02:19:37,080
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2958
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:40,360
Speaker 1: I can't judge whatever. You know, whatever gets him hard,

2959
02:19:40,400 --> 02:19:40,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

2960
02:19:41,560 --> 02:19:44,280
Speaker 2: Wow, Hey, let's get a wellness check on Teo femo?

2961
02:19:47,400 --> 02:19:47,680
Speaker 3: Are you.

2962
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:52,880
Speaker 1: I thought he was retired? You're a garbage man now.

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02:19:53,240 --> 02:19:53,320
Speaker 7: Ye.

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02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:03,240
Speaker 1: That's a very funny bit, Brian, that's a very funny bit.

2965
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:05,240
Speaker 2: I don't get it, though. What is he doing?

2966
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:09,560
Speaker 1: Do his like? He'll do these zings on Twitter and

2967
02:20:09,640 --> 02:20:11,800
Speaker 1: you'll read it ten times and not know what he's saying.

2968
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:13,480
Speaker 2: I get you, I get you, all right. We gotta

2969
02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:15,560
Speaker 2: keep going here. I got a busy schedule, no shortage

2970
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:18,160
Speaker 2: of star power, Luke at two ninety five, how about

2971
02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:24,160
Speaker 2: opposites attracting here? Gordon Ryan and Jeff Novitzky of Yusada

2972
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,160
Speaker 2: fame with this very funny photo.

2973
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,200
Speaker 1: I like this one a lot. Legitimately I got a

2974
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:28,680
Speaker 1: good laugh.

2975
02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:32,280
Speaker 2: All right, some speculation that Stepe entered the arena on

2976
02:20:32,440 --> 02:20:35,200
Speaker 2: Saturday limping or at least walking like an old man.

2977
02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:37,680
Speaker 1: What are you just walking like the oldest old man

2978
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:40,480
Speaker 1: that ever oldered? Look at this guy, he's forty one.

2979
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:42,080
Speaker 1: What do you expect him to walk like?

2980
02:20:42,200 --> 02:20:44,400
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, this will probably be the last time

2981
02:20:44,440 --> 02:20:47,800
Speaker 2: that Bill Burr gets a prime seating at a UFC event.

2982
02:20:48,280 --> 02:20:52,520
Speaker 2: Here's his wife, actress Nina Renee Hill, giving the double

2983
02:20:52,600 --> 02:20:55,000
Speaker 2: bird to Old Don as Kid Rock walked by.

2984
02:20:55,280 --> 02:20:57,240
Speaker 1: And I saw people being like, I'm never gonna listen

2985
02:20:57,280 --> 02:20:58,800
Speaker 1: to Bill Burr again. I'm like, first of all, he

2986
02:20:58,879 --> 02:21:00,959
Speaker 1: didn't do that, and then second of all, you're full

2987
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:01,960
Speaker 1: of shit. Of course you are.

2988
02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:03,840
Speaker 2: Well, it's good. It was good to see Kid Rock

2989
02:21:03,879 --> 02:21:05,960
Speaker 2: at a UFC event. Last time we saw him, Luke,

2990
02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:10,039
Speaker 2: he was out here shooting up UFC's new sponsor.

2991
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:13,200
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta say, BC, I think he showers

2992
02:21:13,240 --> 02:21:14,680
Speaker 1: as infrequently as you and I do.

2993
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:18,480
Speaker 2: We both dressed the same each day. That's that's true.

2994
02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:19,280
Speaker 1: True, that's definitely.

2995
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:21,560
Speaker 2: Do you think they talked bud light with Dana or no,

2996
02:21:21,640 --> 02:21:22,160
Speaker 2: they don't know.

2997
02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:23,840
Speaker 1: They just talked a bunch of dumb shit. Probably was

2998
02:21:23,879 --> 02:21:26,119
Speaker 1: the worst conversation ever, but yeah.

2999
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:28,320
Speaker 2: There was there. It is right there. All right. We

3000
02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:30,560
Speaker 2: haven't had any skateboard fatalities in a while. Let's go

3001
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:31,359
Speaker 2: to San Francisco.

3002
02:21:37,959 --> 02:21:47,120
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh god. It's like guys, you have to

3003
02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:48,360
Speaker 1: clear the road ahead of time.

3004
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that didn't work out. All right? Your regional

3005
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:54,360
Speaker 2: Ko the Week comes from I think Russia. It's a

3006
02:21:54,480 --> 02:21:59,320
Speaker 2: promotion called icomnas FC and that's amanof Assan.

3007
02:22:00,200 --> 02:22:03,120
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus the pile driver.

3008
02:22:03,480 --> 02:22:05,440
Speaker 2: Wow, that's the end of that fight. Yep.

3009
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:08,000
Speaker 1: Is the ref not wearing shoes? Oh yeah, no he's not.

3010
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 1: The ref's not.

3011
02:22:09,440 --> 02:22:12,280
Speaker 2: What do you think of that? No gloves and bare feet, Luke,

3012
02:22:12,320 --> 02:22:13,400
Speaker 2: You're done with that for a ref.

3013
02:22:13,640 --> 02:22:15,320
Speaker 1: That is extremely sanitary.

3014
02:22:15,440 --> 02:22:18,000
Speaker 2: That's what I know, all right, t Shirts of the Week?

3015
02:22:18,120 --> 02:22:20,720
Speaker 2: Time would you hang out with this young lady knowing

3016
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:21,400
Speaker 2: this information?

3017
02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:23,480
Speaker 3: All right?

3018
02:22:23,480 --> 02:22:25,560
Speaker 1: Well, she's a disgusting creature. I mean, just throw her

3019
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:27,720
Speaker 1: off the boat where she is and just let her

3020
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:29,600
Speaker 1: sink to the bottom of the ocean, all right.

3021
02:22:29,560 --> 02:22:31,400
Speaker 2: We got one t shirt better than that. We found

3022
02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:33,959
Speaker 2: it at the gas station last night.

3023
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:37,439
Speaker 1: Is a blur. I remember sucking titties and then shitting myself.

3024
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:40,600
Speaker 1: He seems like a classy gentleman, you know.

3025
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:43,640
Speaker 2: All right, it's time to rate that tat, Luke, Here

3026
02:22:43,720 --> 02:22:46,400
Speaker 2: we go. Here's Terence McKinney of UFC Fame has a

3027
02:22:46,480 --> 02:22:47,160
Speaker 2: new backtat.

3028
02:22:47,879 --> 02:22:50,400
Speaker 1: It's unfinished, so I think there is something to be

3029
02:22:50,440 --> 02:22:53,640
Speaker 1: said about waiting. But I don't love it.

3030
02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:56,440
Speaker 2: Don't look it's like the Sarlac Pit on Return of

3031
02:22:56,440 --> 02:22:57,400
Speaker 2: the Jedi. I don't know if.

3032
02:22:57,280 --> 02:23:01,160
Speaker 1: I'll reserve judgment when it's finally done, but I just

3033
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:03,680
Speaker 1: don't love the concept and it's not you know, but

3034
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:05,680
Speaker 1: if it look, if he likes it, that's what's most important.

3035
02:23:05,720 --> 02:23:07,360
Speaker 2: We know you love turtles, Luke. What do you think

3036
02:23:07,400 --> 02:23:09,119
Speaker 2: of this? This TMNT tattoo?

3037
02:23:11,360 --> 02:23:14,400
Speaker 1: Again, I wouldn't want it, but the color saturation and

3038
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:19,200
Speaker 1: the overall design is spectacular. That's a very good tattoo.

3039
02:23:19,360 --> 02:23:24,160
Speaker 2: That's really, really, really good. Wow, you know what. I

3040
02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:25,760
Speaker 2: would to want that, But if they could do that

3041
02:23:25,840 --> 02:23:28,040
Speaker 2: to me during my colonoscopy, I might sign up for it.

3042
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:30,280
Speaker 1: I really take a lot longer than thirty minutes, my guy.

3043
02:23:30,600 --> 02:23:33,039
Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's go to a different leg tat, Luke,

3044
02:23:33,160 --> 02:23:34,560
Speaker 2: is this your sort of thing? Can we advance to

3045
02:23:34,600 --> 02:23:35,519
Speaker 2: the next slide.

3046
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:41,240
Speaker 1: Again? Wouldn't want it, But that is an extremely good tatto. Yeah,

3047
02:23:41,240 --> 02:23:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this whole sleeve is ten out of ten.

3048
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:47,720
Speaker 2: Wow, I wonder if it hits the ash track at all.

3049
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:51,800
Speaker 2: All right, here is Diego Lopez's updated chess tat that

3050
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:55,120
Speaker 2: says dream, believe and make it happen.

3051
02:23:55,440 --> 02:23:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, people are just scribbling on him. This

3052
02:23:57,520 --> 02:23:59,119
Speaker 1: is a terrible tattoo unfortunately.

3053
02:24:00,120 --> 02:24:00,240
Speaker 4: Right.

3054
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Well, look three out of ten, two out of ten.

3055
02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:05,920
Speaker 2: You won't find a dad who likes Fortnite more than

3056
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:07,800
Speaker 2: me except for this guy.

3057
02:24:09,080 --> 02:24:11,160
Speaker 1: All right, Well, this guy should just lose custody of

3058
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:14,880
Speaker 1: his children. He's the worst person in America.

3059
02:24:15,240 --> 02:24:17,600
Speaker 2: Oh g Fortnite is back for a limited time.

3060
02:24:17,720 --> 02:24:21,440
Speaker 1: Okay, nothing says Fortnite is uncool more than this.

3061
02:24:22,200 --> 02:24:24,760
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Luke's show. You want to be

3062
02:24:24,879 --> 02:24:27,760
Speaker 2: a game bred, bare knuckle m a fighter. Let's listen

3063
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:29,240
Speaker 2: in with hictyas.

3064
02:24:30,440 --> 02:24:33,240
Speaker 6: To show everybody in my face it ain't quite as

3065
02:24:33,320 --> 02:24:36,960
Speaker 6: bad as it looked last night. I got quite a

3066
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:42,080
Speaker 6: few stitches, broke this bone right here, a little over

3067
02:24:42,200 --> 02:24:44,440
Speaker 6: the bone or whatever, the bottom part of it, and

3068
02:24:45,000 --> 02:24:49,080
Speaker 6: ride around to here from what the CT scan showed.

3069
02:24:50,200 --> 02:24:50,320
Speaker 7: Uh.

3070
02:24:50,840 --> 02:24:55,400
Speaker 6: Most importantly, I swallowed a tooth last night, and that's

3071
02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:58,959
Speaker 6: kind of my biggest concern right now, wondering if it's

3072
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:02,440
Speaker 6: kind of scratched turn the way out or whatever. But

3073
02:25:02,959 --> 02:25:08,920
Speaker 6: I'm surprisingly in zero pain, and that's with no pain

3074
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:12,480
Speaker 6: pills or none of that shit. I got up and

3075
02:25:12,560 --> 02:25:15,280
Speaker 6: I walked out of that cage last night, unlike some

3076
02:25:15,480 --> 02:25:18,039
Speaker 6: of those pussies that got brought out on a stretchers.

3077
02:25:18,120 --> 02:25:20,560
Speaker 6: So I feel good about that. Not only did I

3078
02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:23,640
Speaker 6: walk out, but I drove myself to the hospital to

3079
02:25:23,720 --> 02:25:26,640
Speaker 6: get stitched up. My head's held high.

3080
02:25:26,840 --> 02:25:27,160
Speaker 1: Thank you.

3081
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:32,280
Speaker 2: Tough business we live in here, Luke. That's Jason Knight

3082
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:35,000
Speaker 2: of course, game brad mma. Roy Nelson got robbed.

3083
02:25:35,160 --> 02:25:37,119
Speaker 1: We looked like he fought a lawnmower.

3084
02:25:38,280 --> 02:25:41,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, soccer celebration of the week. As we quickly exit

3085
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:43,280
Speaker 2: out of here, Luke, two more to go, What do

3086
02:25:43,320 --> 02:25:43,720
Speaker 2: you think of this?

3087
02:25:47,640 --> 02:25:50,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I gave him the old honk.

3088
02:25:50,640 --> 02:25:52,800
Speaker 1: This is how BC and I greet each other right here,

3089
02:25:52,959 --> 02:25:55,680
Speaker 1: just the old honk oh luke.

3090
02:25:55,879 --> 02:25:58,439
Speaker 2: We once had a debate on this program about breastfeeding

3091
02:25:58,520 --> 02:26:01,320
Speaker 2: in public. But this gentleman and has found a way

3092
02:26:01,360 --> 02:26:02,840
Speaker 2: to win the internet on this day.

3093
02:26:05,879 --> 02:26:06,720
Speaker 1: That's a little much.

3094
02:26:07,879 --> 02:26:11,039
Speaker 2: That man is a hero to me and all dad's

3095
02:26:11,080 --> 02:26:14,120
Speaker 2: out there, Luca, real family man, and that is your

3096
02:26:14,200 --> 02:26:15,520
Speaker 2: shit of the way.

3097
02:26:15,640 --> 02:26:16,920
Speaker 1: Very good. Well, I know you have to get out

3098
02:26:16,920 --> 02:26:18,280
Speaker 1: of here because you have a big interview. So let's

3099
02:26:18,320 --> 02:26:21,160
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02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:23,640
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3102
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Speaker 1: Please go visit it while it exists. You can email

3103
02:26:29,160 --> 02:26:32,280
Speaker 1: the show Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Be on the

3104
02:26:32,320 --> 02:26:35,600
Speaker 1: lookout for additional content from BC andMe at YouTube dot

3105
02:26:35,640 --> 02:26:38,080
Speaker 1: com slash morning Combat. Thanks to everyone who watched today,

3106
02:26:38,520 --> 02:26:41,400
Speaker 1: So for everyone at CBS Sports, everyone at showtime, everyone

3107
02:26:41,440 --> 02:26:43,520
Speaker 1: in Malka, thank you so much. Thanks everyone who watched.

3108
02:26:43,800 --> 02:26:46,080
Speaker 1: We'll catch you guys on Wednesday. Follow us on social

3109
02:26:46,200 --> 02:26:48,800
Speaker 1: at all the places that you possibly can, and until

3110
02:26:48,879 --> 02:26:51,280
Speaker 1: next time, may all of your gains be loyal