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Speaker 5: You know how you hit home runs? Crafts extension out

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Speaker 5: Hey, that's the Braves their juice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm stealing this is actually this was my collaborators

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Speaker 5: I'm not surprised. I said it. I said he played

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Speaker 4: So for me, Hannah, I'm not surprised because of what

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Speaker 4: Didn't budge right, blue Jays are thinking, oh, maybe they'll

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Speaker 3: Was he going to get to the sixes? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how do we compare him to Soto? Plus

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Speaker 4: if you have five hundred, this get's done. That was

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Speaker 4: why I wasn't surprised. I would have been surprised if

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Speaker 3: At four sixty five.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. I wonder whether early extensions

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Speaker 1: and the Blue Jays already know they don't. They don't

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Speaker 1: there just aren't that many free agents to go around.

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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me. I know it's going to constantly

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Speaker 1: So you don't want to hear what the Mets or

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Speaker 1: don't feel good about the Blue Jays chances this year.

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Speaker 1: They have the oldest pitching staff by age, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I want to spend the rest

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Speaker 5: In the city too late, Hannah, you're going to get

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Speaker 5: you have to know. That's that's what I heard. That's

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Speaker 5: what Twitter is going to hear. So I'm just saying.

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Speaker 5: But when we clip this, it's all they're going to hear,

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Speaker 3: We will not do that.

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Speaker 4: I will tell the clip team we will not do that.

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Speaker 5: But but some people just like where they're at and

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Speaker 5: I don't know that. Listen, I know he said I'll

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Speaker 5: get five hundred million on the open market. But first,

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Speaker 5: baseman don't get paid like other positions do. That's why again,

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Speaker 5: I think he played this perfectly. He got the team,

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Speaker 5: he was born in Canada. Canada loves him, and therefore

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Speaker 5: he nailed this. I can't. You're saying, well, why would

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Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? Fourteen years, five hundred million. You

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Speaker 5: don't have to movie. You know exactly where you're at.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I hate Canada. I love Canada, So people

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Speaker 5: on Twitter, I love Canada. I'm just saying I love Canda.

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Speaker 5: I love Gretzky still the gold King. Okay, but you know,

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Speaker 5: Hannah just saying some people really like where they're at.

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Speaker 1: I do, actually, Okay, So yes, I want to say that.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be bad if everyone did the

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Speaker 1: one team, that's beautiful. I'm just saying if I'm either

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Speaker 5: That Carlos Korea he went to the Twins and they said,

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Speaker 5: we're going to spend all this money. Well sign you.

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Speaker 5: I haven't spent money in two years, So how'd that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, And we don't talk about Carlos Korea

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Speaker 4: There you go, Aja, It is time for people to

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Speaker 5: No doubt. I was there today, I've been there before.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is what Zach found to Now I got

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Speaker 1: we talk about how I don't think that Christian Campbell

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Speaker 3: Well that's part of this. Yeah, ellis your show.

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Speaker 1: Hannah that's where I'm used to hostings. God, it's surprising

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Speaker 6: It's hard to pass up sixty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: talk about Ron Blom at some point, But he said,

433
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Speaker 1: that feels sort of like a Braves extension to me

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Speaker 1: in that a team was we talk about like playing

435
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Speaker 1: it well and look, Black Girls agents played it very well.

436
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Speaker 1: I thought the Red Sox played that well. They clearly

437
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Speaker 1: knew their guy, they knew sort of what motivated him

438
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Speaker 1: and when was the right time to strike. That feels

439
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Speaker 1: like a very savvy for the team extension in that

440
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Speaker 1: sixty million is a lot. I think sixty million is

441
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Speaker 1: not a lot of money in baseball terms. I think

442
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Speaker 1: it's a lot of money in you're a young guy,

443
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Speaker 1: you just made the majors, You're very excited about the

444
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Speaker 1: direction your career is going in this particular moment. So

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Speaker 1: I think that's a savvy team extension in terms of

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Speaker 1: sort of when they struck. Yeah, but I think I think,

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Speaker 1: why why before you've even like like he got he

448
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Speaker 1: got a pre a pre debut style extension, even though

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Speaker 1: he had already debuted and his debut is going great,

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Speaker 1: Give it another few months, see how it does. Maybe

451
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Speaker 1: you get a little more money in six months, three

452
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Speaker 1: months even I think they paid him like he hadn't

453
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Speaker 1: even debuted, and he's I know it's a small sample size,

454
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Speaker 1: but he's looking really good at the major league level already.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Hannah, if you're if your significant other came home

456
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Speaker 5: from work said, Hannah, I got this new job and

457
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Speaker 5: they're gonna pay me sixty million dollars. But I think

458
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Speaker 5: if I wait five years, I might be able to

459
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Speaker 5: make eighty million dollars. What are you telling him? And also,

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Speaker 5: this is when you were twenty what is he twenty

461
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Speaker 5: two years old?

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's what you're making me out

463
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Speaker 1: to be. Like I'm a hater, and I'm.

464
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Speaker 5: Just well, you said it was a bad deal, So

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Speaker 5: I'm just asking you the question.

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Speaker 1: I wish that my significant other was good enough at

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Speaker 1: baseball that I said, Babe, you don't need that sixty million.

468
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Speaker 1: You're so good you get that eighty right.

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Speaker 5: You would have told him to take the sixty wouldn't you?

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Speaker 5: What do you think I would? What do you think

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Speaker 5: Christian Campbell's agent family. Everyone was telling me, you're going

472
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Speaker 5: to get sixty million dollars to play baseball, you better

473
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Speaker 5: sign up. Trust me. If someone to come to me

474
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Speaker 5: when I was a rookie. Before I signed and said

475
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Speaker 5: I'll give you sixty million, I would have been like,

476
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Speaker 5: I'll sign in blood, I'll sign in whatever you want

477
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Speaker 5: me to sign with, just I'll sign it.

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Speaker 1: You're like, I'll be that human sacrifice for sixty Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, Tino, you need me for sixty million, I'm in. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But that's because we all have christiananl talent, and neither does.

481
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Speaker 1: He can only hear half the conversation, my significant.

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Speaker 6: He's not as good as Christian Campbell either, So that's that.

483
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Speaker 6: But that's okay. He didn't hear that part of it.

484
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Speaker 6: Take us to the Ron Blum interview that you had.

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Speaker 6: This was intriguing to me back in nineteen eighty eight,

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Speaker 6: is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes, tracking system. He sold major League Baseball the

488
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Speaker 1: first pitch tracking system. Ron Blum. I don't know how

489
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Speaker 1: much you guys have or have not encountered him around

490
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Speaker 1: the game. He's the Associated Press lead baseball writer reporter.

491
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Speaker 1: He is such a character. He is the person who

492
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Speaker 1: cares about the specific payout schedule of the deferrals of

493
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Speaker 1: the escalators. He cares about how much guys are making

494
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Speaker 1: down to the dollar, down to the penny when the

495
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Speaker 1: AP reports the salaries for every single player, like nine

496
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty players or something like that. This year

497
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Speaker 1: they reported down to the dollar, and I wanted to

498
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Speaker 1: talk to him about sort of the history of reporting

499
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Speaker 1: on salaries because we didn't always have that level of

500
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Speaker 1: granular detail on how much guy's made, but then also

501
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Speaker 1: about why that level of granular detail matters. And I

502
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Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting and really compelling. And he's

503
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Speaker 1: such a specific guy. He's so much fun to be

504
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Speaker 1: in a press conference with because he's the guy asking

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Speaker 1: Andrew Friedman, Dodgers President of Baseball Operations, in the middle

506
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Speaker 1: the World Series, like do I have my calculations on

507
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Speaker 1: how much international bonus pool space you have left? Correct?

508
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Speaker 1: And it's funny because people screenshoted that exchanged during the

509
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Speaker 1: World Series. They tweeted out they said, this is crazy.

510
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: Look at this reporter who it's whatever, Game one of

511
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Speaker 1: the World Series and he's asking the Dodgers president Baseball

512
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Speaker 1: Operations about their international cap spase. And that turned out

513
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Speaker 1: to matter of course, because he was thinking ahead. Ron

514
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: was thinking Roki Sasaki, what's going to happen this offseason?

515
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Speaker 1: And I just think I love the way that Ron

516
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: thinks about how the very very granular specifics of the

517
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 1: economics of the game are so predictive in terms of

518
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: team behavior, player behavior, league behavior, that kind of stuff.

519
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Speaker 1: He's looking, he's reading the tea leaves of the contracts

520
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Speaker 1: that are given out of the deferral schedules that teams

521
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Speaker 1: are agreeing to, and what that says about the direction

522
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Speaker 1: of the team or the league as a whole. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a really really I think he's like such a

524
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Speaker 1: fascinating person to talk to you because he's lived through

525
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Speaker 1: so much and covered so much and sees the trends

526
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Speaker 1: and sees the cycles and sees kind of where we're

527
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Speaker 1: headed based on where we are.

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Speaker 4: And he sold his proprietary info back in the day

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Speaker 4: to cover his college.

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Speaker 1: Bills, right, yes, exactly after he went to Columbia. He

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Speaker 1: was there with Gary Cohen and they did some broadcasting together,

532
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Speaker 1: and then he was working for I don't remember the name,

533
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: was like Sports Database or something, and this level of

534
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Speaker 1: granular detail he was applying it to pitch information. He

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Speaker 1: wanted to build a system to track every pitch. When

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Speaker 1: we talk about you know, this is what made him

537
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Speaker 1: think of it. The Yankees hitting three home runs on

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Speaker 1: the first three pitches of the game. That feels like

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Speaker 1: the kind of information we've always had, but we haven't

540
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Speaker 1: always been keeping track of, like what's happening in a game,

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Speaker 1: not just in the box score, but on a pitch

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Speaker 1: by pitch level. And yeah, he was like that era

543
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Speaker 1: goes back to nineteen eighty eight, because that's when I

544
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Speaker 1: sold that system that was tracking what's happening every pitch

545
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Speaker 1: of the game to Major League Baseball itself. And the

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Speaker 1: financial tracking stuff. He's so detailed with it that originally

547
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Speaker 1: MLB it isn't so much they I asked him, I

548
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Speaker 1: thought that he had sold that was I had gotten

549
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Speaker 1: my details confused. I thought he sold them some sort

550
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Speaker 1: of financial tracking system and it wasn't that. But he

551
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Speaker 1: was in the early days having conversations with people at

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Speaker 1: the league about sort of what is he calculating because

553
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Speaker 1: he was keeping track of teams actual payrolls again sort

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Speaker 1: of down to the dollar. And before we had I mean,

555
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Speaker 1: there was a time before even Major League Baseball had

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Speaker 1: computers doing these things. They also were just you know,

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Speaker 1: long hand writing out well, the first basement's making this

558
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Speaker 1: much and how the second Basemin's making this much and

559
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Speaker 1: telling it all and they used to sometimes check with

560
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Speaker 1: him to check their maths just because they were like,

561
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Speaker 1: we're all just having to add it up here, so

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Speaker 1: let's see what Ron got, all right, Well, how much changed?

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Speaker 5: How much it changed? It feels like at times, it

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Speaker 5: seems like this is kind of the same time, same

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00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 5: thing with major League Baseball at times.

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Speaker 4: Hannah, Well, thank you for the time. Great, great catching up,

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Speaker 4: Thanks for stopping by and on your way out. Want

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Speaker 4: it's everyone how they can get a hold of the Bandwagon.

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Speaker 1: Yes, go to bandwagon dot substack dot com. Subscribe there.

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Speaker 1: If you Google you can find it. It's on my Twitter,

571
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Speaker 1: it's on my Blue Skuy, it's on my Instagram. It's

572
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: on Zach Kreiser's Twitter Instagram, Blue Sky All that worth

573
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Speaker 1: three times a week. It's a lot of content, and

574
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Speaker 1: we're both writing most days and we're sharing fun links

575
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: from around baseball plus more substantive like research, analysis, reporting.

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Speaker 1: It's fun.

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Speaker 4: It's good stuff. Yeah, everyone check it out, Hannah. We'll

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Speaker 4: have you back soon. Thank you so much for a

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Speaker 4: non hosting and joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Let's bring up that Tyry Francona quote as the Reds

582
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 4: finally got themselves back on the board, but still do

583
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: not look good overall. To start the year, offense was

584
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Speaker 4: super dumb, quiet for a few games, and he said

585
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 4: we were going to have a human sacrifice, but nobody volunteered.

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Speaker 4: I think he's kidding. Crap, it's not one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: I think he's kidding.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot that there's a lot you do to

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Speaker 2: turn the offense around. I get it.

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Speaker 6: And you know what, Hey, that person that would have

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Speaker 6: volunteered would have what gone down in history had the

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Speaker 6: Reds turned it around.

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Speaker 5: He'll do anything, He'll do anything to get a hit.

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Speaker 5: I promise you. There's a lot of things that people

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Speaker 5: do to get a hit that they wouldn't tell their

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Speaker 5: their family members about because you will literally try anything

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Speaker 5: to get hit. So, yeah, listen, this was a joke

598
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Speaker 5: by Tito, but it was a funny one because I

599
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 5: left when I saw this. I'm like, yeah, good for you, Tito.

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Speaker 5: You understand he was a hitter. He gets it.

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Speaker 3: They're definitely missing an aircraft carrier.

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Speaker 5: I thought that was supposed to be Ellie missing another

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Speaker 5: aircraft carrier.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that's not what you said.

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Speaker 3: Show.

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Speaker 2: That's what an aircraft carrier is. They carry all of

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Speaker 2: the planes.

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Speaker 4: How many teams? How many teams get away with one

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Speaker 4: aircraft carrier. Besides, I guess judging the Yankees this.

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Speaker 2: Year and last year and the year before we.

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Speaker 4: Last last year, oh god, they had two too heavy,

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Speaker 4: heavy carriers right next to each other. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 4: I think I think they're missing one more star bat

614
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: in there.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 6: Matt McLean will be that he's coming off a whole

617
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Speaker 6: season that he missed from shoulder surgery.

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Speaker 2: He'll be there.

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Speaker 6: So you're not worried about the guys, I'm not worried

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Speaker 6: about the Reds.

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Speaker 2: Hey, ja, not worried.

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Speaker 3: I'm worried about the Reds.

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of worried about the Reds because they haven't

624
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Speaker 5: they don't have a long history. They're not the Braves

625
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Speaker 5: of having a history of being able to hit. Is

626
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Speaker 5: are a bunch of younger dudes that haven't done it,

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Speaker 5: and they have a bunch of younger pitchers that have

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Speaker 5: a history of being injured. So am I worried about

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Speaker 5: the Reds? Yeah? Because they go what I mean, any

630
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 5: thirty five innings without scoring or some crazy number. That's

631
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Speaker 5: a lot of innings without scorning, a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Shut out and Karnasco and Strand hit a frick and

633
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Speaker 4: BB to center field this weekend four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: something feet.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, you.

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Speaker 4: Guys were the ones that pointed this out. Ellie has

637
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Speaker 4: a lot of swing and miss, and Carnassi and Strand others.

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Speaker 4: Is there gonna be too much swing and miss in

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Speaker 4: this lineup?

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying this, there is. That's the one thing

641
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 5: we worry about. But you can't go Ellie, mister Ellie,

642
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Speaker 5: I love Ellie, and then not me, mister I love Ellie.

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Speaker 3: It takes nine hitters in a lineup, not It's

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Speaker 2: Not Ellie's fault, guys,