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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans go.

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Speaker 1: Lite as always from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Glad you're with us, Kyle Yeoman's

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Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh, We've got Dame Brugler from the Athletic and

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Speaker 1: Kevin Kate T. Turner ready to break down some guys.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a lot of defensive line, answer a

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Speaker 1: ton of Twitter on the twenty questions coming up here

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Speaker 1: we had over forty questions asked. So we've got to

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Speaker 1: hit a bunch of those today. And maybe even more

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Speaker 1: next week. We'll have to just kind of carry them

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Speaker 1: over day by Dave, Glad you're with us, Chris being

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Speaker 1: back in the studio as always running things, and Dane,

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Speaker 1: you had some wide receivers that you wanted to talk about.

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Speaker 1: You just put it out your top twenty wide receivers

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Speaker 1: on the Athletic. Highly encourage you guys to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: But Katie and Jeff, are we really looking at wide

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Speaker 1: guess that question could go two different ways. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: make your roster work from there. But I met realistically

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Speaker 1: be really surprised if it was early. Yeah. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: think it's kind of foolish to A think that Michael

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Speaker 1: not because of anything Michael's done. It's just if money

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Speaker 1: I think it's foolish to be like, well, Mary Cooper

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna talk wide receiver, you might as well

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Speaker 1: do it with Kyle Pitts the tight end wide receiver

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Speaker 1: depth of that position is outstanding. As Dane's list can

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Speaker 1: unique because it's there's so the volume of talent at

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Speaker 1: notable light players just for the fun of it, Hollywood

426
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Speaker 1: Brown one sixty six, but also Snoop Menace one seventy one. Yea,

427
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Speaker 1: we can, we can. We can hand pick these guys,

428
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Speaker 1: and it didn't have a lot of fun with it.

429
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Speaker 1: But what I would say is, and I don't I

430
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Speaker 1: think I'm more of a peacemaker tap of guy. I

431
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Speaker 1: don't think I'm supporting anyone's argument here. One thing that

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Speaker 1: I see, and this is one reason I have DeVante

433
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Speaker 1: Smith a little higher. And again I think we all

434
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Speaker 1: love these three guys. I have DeVante Smith a little higher.

435
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Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, you see him a little more going over

436
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Speaker 1: the middle and doing the dirty work. And you know,

437
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Speaker 1: Waddle might have gotten a little more of those opportunities

438
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Speaker 1: if he had gotten to play, because he had getten hurt.

439
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Speaker 1: And obviously last year Rugs and Judy were getting a

440
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Speaker 1: lot of the volume. But seeing Davante Smith go over

441
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Speaker 1: the middle and move the chains and things like that,

442
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Speaker 1: that makes me go, Okay, you can do this, and

443
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Speaker 1: I really like that. I I like the toughness there.

444
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Speaker 1: That's that's one of the big aspects that I have on.

445
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Speaker 1: Is one of the notes I've put on here is

446
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Speaker 1: I think he's tough along with the long arms. But

447
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Speaker 1: you know he's one seventy two, waddles one eighty two.

448
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pretend they're both one seventy seven. I like

449
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase a lot. Let's let's just have fun. But

450
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Speaker 1: here's the thing, Dan, you have top three. I cut

451
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Speaker 1: it off because I'm gonna used to see where that

452
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Speaker 1: Jeff's earlier coward. I wanted to put Cadarius Tony in

453
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Speaker 1: the first round. He's my wide receiver. Four. I think

454
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: he was your wide receiver for as well. I wanted

455
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Speaker 1: to put him in the first round. And then and

456
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: maybe I'm a jerk for this, and then the first

457
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: day of Senior Bowl he goes out and his heads

458
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Speaker 1: and the clouds and he drops the ball about ninety times,

459
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: and then I went, Nope, I can't do it. I

460
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: can't do it. And I'm a terrible person for that,

461
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: and I'll admit that. But he's my top wide receiver

462
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Speaker 1: in the second round in wide receiver four. But I

463
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Speaker 1: just I love the player so much, but I was

464
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: so annoyed by that the wide open drops, I was

465
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Speaker 1: pretty annoyed by that. He's he's got a lot of

466
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Speaker 1: focused right. He wants to make a play. He's so

467
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Speaker 1: eager to make a play that he will start to

468
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Speaker 1: make his moves before he secures the catch. There's no

469
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Speaker 1: doubt that's that's part of what he needs to clean up.

470
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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's he's a human joystick. I mean, he's

471
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: he's crazy. Some of these movements that he can make,

472
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Speaker 1: The elusiveness he makes the most athletic defenders look awkward

473
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: in their pursuit, and it's just really really unique. So

474
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: now he's he's got some character stuff too that teams

475
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: are you know, on the fence about. So you know,

476
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: the interview process is gonna be big for him. But

477
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Speaker 1: you know he's going to be somewhere in that late

478
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Speaker 1: one early two mix. He could be an interesting, interesting

479
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Speaker 1: chess piece for a team that's looking for a versa

480
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Speaker 1: little receiver that can be a creative igniter. A couple

481
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Speaker 1: other these these smaller slot guys or I guess they

482
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Speaker 1: could play in the slot that are in this draft

483
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: class that to keep an eye on. I mean, we

484
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Speaker 1: talked about DeVante Smith, but you also have Rondel Moore

485
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Speaker 1: out of Purdue, Jalen Darden, who, of course I'm really

486
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Speaker 1: high on out of North Texas, but yes, there's a

487
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Speaker 1: North Texas connection there. You go further down the list

488
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Speaker 1: two to at Well from Louisville. I mean, he's one

489
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five pounds five nine So, I mean

490
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Speaker 1: there are a guy like this all over the draft board,

491
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Speaker 1: and there are in any draft. And like Dane said,

492
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: it's a little bit harder for some of these guys

493
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Speaker 1: to make it a longer career or at least a

494
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Speaker 1: notable career in the NFL, a little bit more so

495
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Speaker 1: than others. So we'll keep an eye on some of

496
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Speaker 1: those guys as we continue to break down these wide receivers.

497
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Speaker 1: But when we come back here on the Draft show,

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Speaker 1: we've got some twitter on the twenty questions that we

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Speaker 1: have to hit up. The first one we're gonna hit

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Speaker 1: does the play of Connor McGovern and Tyler Beatish turn

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys away from drafting an interior offensive Lindlan we

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Speaker 1: one question this from our guy Max. He said, does

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Speaker 1: the way that Connor McGovern and Tyler Beotish played last

544
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Speaker 1: season steer you away from drafting an interior offensive lineman?

545
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Speaker 1: Haven't heard much on the evaluation on McGovern's play. We'll

546
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Speaker 1: start things off with Jeff on this one. I thought

547
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: McGovern when he played was solid, especially for a rookie,

548
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: and I thought Beotish was kind of the same thing.

549
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Where if you told me that one of one or

550
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Speaker 1: both of those guys had to start for your team

551
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: next year, I'd say, Okay, that's that's that's all right,

552
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: that's not bad. So I don't think it's a priority

553
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: by any means, especially because you also have Connor Williams

554
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: and Zach Martin. So I think you're okay there. But

555
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: it's a lot like Donovan Wilson, Right, everybody loves Donovan

556
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: Wilson's he played well, he forced turnovers. If you had

557
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: a chance and your best player available was a box

558
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: safety who you thought could force turnovers and be a

559
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: great tackler, Let's say you were going to play Joka

560
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Speaker 1: from Notre Dame there upgrade it. Like, just because something's

561
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: okay doesn't mean that I'm not going to upgrade it.

562
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: So if you have the right opportunity, sure try to

563
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Speaker 1: upgrade that. But I don't think it's a need. If

564
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Speaker 1: you had a best available player that you felt great about,

565
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Speaker 1: you have a second round grade sitting there in the

566
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Speaker 1: fourth that plays guard, I don't mind picking him, but no,

567
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's a priority.

568
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a need. Kay, Yeah, I would

569
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Speaker 1: say the same thing. I don't. To me, I think

570
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Speaker 1: you could get through now. It will see what they do.

571
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: I would assume Joe Looney's not back again, but you know,

572
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: maybe they do fork over a little bit of money

573
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Speaker 1: for him. It wouldn't cost much. So yeah, man, I don't.

574
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: To me, it's like a Day three type of thing. Um,

575
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Speaker 1: And maybe there's someone you like, But I'm looking for

576
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: more depth, and quite frankly, I'm more worried about the

577
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: tackle position than I am the interior offensive line position.

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Speaker 1: I mean, McGovern needs to play, Connor Williams needs to play.

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Speaker 1: Those guys need to be your right and left guards,

580
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: be honest. Needs to be your center and that needs

581
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Speaker 1: to be good enough. Zach Martin right guard? Oh okay, okay,

582
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, God? What am I thinking? Was that? Think?

583
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Speaker 1: What happening Zach Martin? I was thinking about moving Zach

584
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Speaker 1: happen tackle? Okay, I got oh, I think I'm assuming.

585
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Speaker 1: I think I'm assuming Tyran's not gonna be there and

586
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Speaker 1: I'm already moving people. Who Wow, I had a brain fart.

587
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: So guess what. I'm not drafting an offensive linement unless

588
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Speaker 1: I have to. Day. You know, this offensive line group

589
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: is h it's a pretty pretty deep group, and so

590
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean I think you keep your options open. You know, football,

591
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: it's a game of attrition and you just don't Oh,

592
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: those needs are going to be there. So, um, you know,

593
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Speaker 1: if the it's I just hope they keep their their open,

594
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: their mind open to h if one of these guys

595
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Speaker 1: would fall, if you know they they really like a

596
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: Robert Hainsey from Notre Dame. You know, a guy who

597
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: played right tackle uh in college for the Irish, but

598
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: he projects at guard center. Uh. You know, if if

599
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: you're sitting there in the fourth round and he's there,

600
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to see a pick like that. Um. So

601
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Speaker 1: you know, I think that when you look at this

602
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Speaker 1: class and some of the guards or tackles that could

603
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Speaker 1: be available at early day three, some of them you

604
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: can make an easy case for. It's funny because you

605
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Speaker 1: look at the offensive line, and of course the tackle

606
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Speaker 1: spot is ultimately the biggest worry, like Katie was saying,

607
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Speaker 1: but I don't think you could necessarily rule out the

608
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Speaker 1: interior as a big worry as well, because you said

609
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Speaker 1: in Katie, you said, assuming Joe Looney comes back, I

610
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Speaker 1: don't think that needs to be an assumption. I think

611
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Speaker 1: there's a very high chance that he ends up coming back.

612
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm not making a prediction that

613
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: he does, but I think it's probably a more than

614
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: fifty fifty shot that he is back in a Cowboys uniform,

615
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Speaker 1: just because of how cheap he may be in because

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Speaker 1: of where the money's going to be allocated to try

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Speaker 1: and get these guys on the roster, so sticking with

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Speaker 1: some of those guys who played in the past may

619
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Speaker 1: be there as well. Not saying he's going to be

620
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Speaker 1: a starter either, because once again, Tyler Biotis and Connor

621
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: mcgover need that playing time. But it's still something you

622
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: need to look at. But I don't think it is

623
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: a need whenever it comes to interior offensive line, but

624
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Speaker 1: it's something that you need to look for, at least

625
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Speaker 1: because if you're in the second or third day of

626
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Speaker 1: this draft, then all of a sudden you look around

627
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Speaker 1: and there's a really, really good interior offensive lineman that

628
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Speaker 1: you have high on your board. I wouldn't be surprised

629
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Speaker 1: if the Cowboys pickt just to have some of that

630
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: depth available at some point down the line. Next question

631
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Speaker 1: comes from Jeremy. It's kind of along the same lines,

632
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: but not necessarily specific to the offensive line. He said

633
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Speaker 1: what position groups might be better suited to be addressed

634
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Speaker 1: in Cowboys free agency rather than the draft. Whether this

635
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Speaker 1: is because of a lack of talent depth in the

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Speaker 1: draft or particularly strong at a free agent class. Katie,

637
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: what you got on that one? Well? Yeah, I mean,

638
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: if Joe Looney wants to sign for lack two million dollars,

639
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: I guess I guess we could do that. Kind of

640
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: on the same topic, can I thought a name out

641
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: there real quick, too? Dan? What do you think about

642
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: Royce Newman from Old miss Because he can play pretty

643
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: much everywhere on the offensive line, and I'm more interested

644
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: in guys like that, to be honest. Yeah, And that's

645
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: that's his value is the versatility because he can play.

646
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: He's got four position versatility. So that's that's the appeal

647
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: of the guy like that. And that's what I'm talking

648
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: about when you you know, early day three, because that's

649
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: when Royce Newman's gonna go a couple of these other guys.

650
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's always interesting when you have

651
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: a free agency before the draft, um and you try

652
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: to piece together what you want to do in free agency,

653
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: but then also have your eye on the draft in

654
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: terms of which positions are stronger, where do you have

655
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: a better chance of finding or answering a need. You know,

656
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: I think in a perfect world, you fill all your

657
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: needs in free agency or at least, you know, patch

658
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: the holes in that way you have freedom to kind

659
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: of do what you want on draft weekend. So you know,

660
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: that's what I think. That's what a lot of the

661
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: smart teams do. And you know, I know it's not

662
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: that easy when there's a cap involved, but if somehow

663
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: they can find a way to patch their holes on

664
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: the roster so you can enter the draft with you know,

665
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: the freedom to let the board fall into them. That's

666
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: the best way to attack it, Jeff, And safety might

667
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: line up is the position that has the most starting

668
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: quality guys where you could do that, because I agree

669
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: with Day, like the Cowboys, what they need to do

670
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: is they need to sign a corner, they need to

671
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: send a safety, they need to sign a defensive tackle.

672
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: They need to do all that before the draft so

673
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 1: that you're not pitching hold into picking something. And that's

674
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: actually also my problem with trying to get a linebacker

675
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: on this team early in the draft, because I think

676
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: you want to try to fill holes before the draft,

677
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: not create holes where then you're forced to do something.

678
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's what they'd have to do if

679
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: they moved on from a certain player, who I'd be

680
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: fine with them moving on from, but still, why are

681
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: you just creating holes for no reason? So yeah, I

682
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: think safety maybe the one that's most likely because there's

683
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: a lot of names out there that are starting caliber

684
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: guys that you could sign in free agency and kind

685
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: of not have that need, but you don't want to

686
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: stop from finding long term, cheap solutions in the draft.

687
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: So your job is to sign a safety, a corner,

688
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: a d tackle and get ready to draft. But if

689
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: they wanted to spend big on one to where you go,

690
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: all right, scratch that off the need list, I think

691
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: it would potentially be free safety. I think that's where

692
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking too. I think free safety is something

693
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: that you can potentially look at. But there's also a

694
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: lot of free safeties I think in this draft that

695
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: are better than what the Cowboys have had in the past.

696
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: So either way, there's a good chance to upgrade that

697
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: position this year, even if it is a second or

698
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: third round prospect, if the Cowboys want to draft that

699
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: high and use that kind of capital on a safety

700
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: that's still yet to be seen either. This is from Sebastian.

701
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: He says Dallas desperately needs to add speed on defense.

702
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: We've talked about that on this show previously. Who are

703
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: some of the more solid and speedy prospects that Dallas

704
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: could target in the middle rounds at both linebacker and

705
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: then of course defensive back in the secondary. There, Dane,

706
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: So you say we're looking for speed, If that's our focus,

707
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: it's just speed. Okay, Let's look a corner. Robert Rochelle

708
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: from Central Arkansas. He's one of the fastest players in

709
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: his draft. He's going to be somewhere third or fourth round.

710
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: I think if you're looking for pure speed, that makes

711
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: sense maybe later on in the draft. Carry Vincent Corner

712
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: of LSU, big time track guy high school. In college,

713
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: he's a I graded him as a backup nickel, but

714
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think that he is still a draftable player.

715
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: Then we look at linebacker. Uh, if we're looking at speed,

716
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: at linebacker Cameron mcgroan at A Michigan. He's there's some

717
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: medical stuff that teams need to figure out. But again,

718
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: if we're just focusing on speed, fourth or fifth round.

719
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: H mcgron can fly. He's a little lighter than you

720
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: want at the linebacker position, but he can absolutely move.

721
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: So based off of just speed, those are three names

722
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: in the day three territory that would make some sense. Jeff,

723
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: do you have any guys that you've been looking at?

724
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: Did this need to be day three? Was that the rule?

725
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: It's he asked day two, day three, But we could

726
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: do any of them. I'm okay with anybody. Well, day two.

727
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: I think if you're looking for speed, you can also

728
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: talk about the both the Georgia Corner, both of them

729
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: can absolutely run. They're both state champion one hundred and

730
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: two hundred meter guys. So Eric Stokes Tyson Campbell linebacker,

731
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: I would throw in. I don't have an estimated forty time,

732
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: but just watching him run, I'm throwing Baron Browning, Ohio

733
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: State has a second or third round guy. I think

734
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: he can really scoot. So those are guys top of

735
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: my head that are second, third ish round guys that

736
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: can move. Says here that Baron Browning four or five

737
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: six potential forty is what I'm looking at right here,

738
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: So I mean pretty decently quick for a linebacker. I

739
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: guess right up in that that realm Katie. Any guys

740
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: that stick out, I don't know if for speed guy,

741
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: but I know he can run at his play speeds. Okay,

742
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: is Jabril Cox the LSU linebacker? I like him a

743
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, look, the answer is Jeremiah Wisu Coromoa.

744
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: That's fast. That's what we want. You know, that's kind

745
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: of that you can be talking about him, so that

746
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: there's your answer. Um, Laca Parsons is fast, Katie. Yeah,

747
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: he is right. That's good. Someone else can have him.

748
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: Get ready, buddy, he's my prediction. Get ready you Maybe

749
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: you're right. Who's my prediction? Another another corner who can

750
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: flat out run, Benjamin saints Jus at Minnesota. He's six

751
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: three and he's gonna run really well. So I don't

752
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: I question his instinct. I question he's had a little

753
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: bit of body stiffness. He'll he'll give up separation. But

754
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: if you just ask him to, hey, that guy, go

755
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: cover him, he can do it because he can open

756
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: up and run. So saints Jus is an interesting name

757
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: on day three. That's another good one. I like that

758
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: name a lot. Jason Pruitt has two Dane Brugler's specials

759
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 1: on this one. How about this? So the first one

760
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: is are there any senior FCS prospect who could go

761
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: from playing a strong spring season and be drafted in April.

762
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: We'll start with that one. Well, yeah, and it's such

763
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: it's an interesting dynamic this year because we have, first

764
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: of all, a spring season four college teams at the

765
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: FCS level, which is obviously not the norm um. And

766
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: they're also the opportunity for some of these players if

767
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: they want to bolt after the years. For some of

768
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, towards the end of the towards

769
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: the end of the year. If they want a bolt

770
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: and enter the draft, they're able to do that. Um,

771
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the one name that comes

772
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: to mind immediately is the North Carolina A and T

773
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: running back Jamaine Martin. Uh. He made a big announcement

774
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: when he had said he was going to play in

775
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: the spring, so it wouldn't surprise me if he still

776
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: decides to go go pro. We'll see. Um he's five

777
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: ten to ten around there, good speed. Uh, he can

778
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: make guys miss in the hole. I think he is

779
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: a draftable player if he does. Declares, Martin would definitely

780
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: be a name to keep an eye on. Tarikko and

781
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: turned that place into a factory. Huh. Yeah. Well, this kid,

782
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: he's a Coastal Carolina transfer, got into got into some

783
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: trouble there, so he transferred down and kind of reinvented himself.

784
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: So he's a good player. The second part of this

785
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: question was who were the high floor, high ceiling wide

786
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: receiver prospects outside of his top twenty who we aren't

787
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: talking about just yet. Okay, high you're asking a lot

788
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: for if you want a high floor and a high ceiling,

789
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: and you went on the fourth and fifth round. Yeah,

790
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: exactly right. That's as high of a floor as you

791
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: can potentially are you Are you asking for like two

792
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: like a high floor player and a high ceiling player

793
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: or that guy, because otherwise he's unfair. There's no one. Yeah,

794
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: there's not Yeah, there's not a thing. Yeah, I would

795
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: probably split him up. I mean like a high ceiling

796
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: guy that is like a day three player that maybe

797
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: doesn't get a lot of loud to marry on Terry

798
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: from Florida State, Yeah, I means four two ten. He

799
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: watched some of his tape and it's just like, oh wow,

800
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: this guy on top fifty guy. Um, but you know,

801
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on there. He's he's

802
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: not consistent at all. Um. Off the field, he's got

803
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: himself to clean up. So you know, I don't he's

804
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: a tough guy to project. But in terms of ceiling, yeah,

805
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: the ceilings absolutely there. Um high out right. He played

806
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: part of the year and then he opted out four

807
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Okay, um what high

808
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: go ahead? Katie? Well has it Kato two names out

809
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: there that we're not we're top twenty. And maybe I'm

810
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: just saying that because there are two guys that I've

811
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: watched um Mark West Stevenson Houston just a speed guy,

812
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: but you know he's a fear body catcher, but he

813
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: can fly. And then another guy who can fly is

814
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: Auburn Anthony Schwarten. Schwartz. Yeah, I struggled so much with

815
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: him because he h he might be the fastest human,

816
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: uh like in this country, but he is that type

817
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: of speed. Um, you know, he is that that fast.

818
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: He's a big time track guy. He said, all types

819
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: of records in high school and one hundred meters, but

820
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: he has just he has he has no instincts on

821
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: the football field, and it's just a lot of all

822
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: or nothing plays on his tape. Like you know, he

823
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: had like one hundred and seventeen catches. I want to

824
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: say in three years at Auburn, I had tho one

825
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen. Only nine point six percent went over

826
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: twenty five yards. So, you know, for a guy who's

827
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: his specialty is speed, you know, not hands, we'll have

828
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: a lot of drops. Um for a guy that's it's

829
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: all about speed, there just weren't many big plays on

830
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: his tape. So you know, part of that is the

831
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: passing offense and the quarterback play and you know, just

832
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: the way Auburn did things. But I really struggled with

833
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: him because he's just not an instinctive player. Uh yet,

834
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: now can he get there? Can he you know, be

835
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: type some type of home run threat? Maybe, because again

836
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: he's this speed is ridiculous. But where you draft a

837
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: guy like that? I don't know. I mean he he

838
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: just missed the cut for me. Uh you know, I

839
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: when I cut it off. The guys that just missed

840
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: my top twenty were Frank Darby at Arizona State, Schwartz

841
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: out of Auburn, Cornell, Pal Clemson, Stevenson Houston. So uh,

842
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: those types of guys. Um. I wanted to answer the

843
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: other question, the high floor player. UM, I think a

844
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: high floor Day three guy Trevon Grimes out of Florida. Um,

845
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, not a great separator, but uh, you know

846
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: a guy that can go up snare the football and

847
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, just he's gonna be a really solid, you know,

848
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Speaker 1: fourth or fifth receiver and then it woul't surprise me

849
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: at all if he ends up being uh you know,

850
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: getting some starting reps and getting more playing time. He

851
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: just he's a high floor guy. Was he a guy

852
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl that kind of stuck out to you?

853
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: Is that that solid high floor type of prospects. Yeah? Yeah,

854
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: him and another guy that did his Does Fitzpatrick out

855
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: of Louisville. You know, we talked. I had a lot

856
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Speaker 1: about two two out well. His teammate who another one

857
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: of those guys who's tiny but he can he can

858
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: really run. Does Fitzpatrick. He might not be elite in anything,

859
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: but he's pretty good across the board, Like its just

860
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: hard to find weaknesses in his game. So Does Fitzpatrick's

861
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: a good player who not gonna get drafted probably until

862
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: day three, but I think he's a high four player,

863
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: can't real quick. I want to weigh in on this

864
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: Schwartz thing again because there's a play in a game,

865
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Speaker 1: and granted, bow Knicks is not like the greatest distributor

866
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: of the football, and I'm not crazy about either of

867
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: the Opera wide receivers, but there's a play in a

868
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: game where he's running a wheel route and it's clearly

869
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: like a design play where he's the number one option.

870
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: It's very clear, and the ball is thrown to his

871
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: inside shoulder and he's looking out of bounds towards the sideline,

872
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, what are you looking at? Man?

873
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: It's like you thought the football was going to be

874
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: over here at the water cooler, Like, dude, the guy

875
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Speaker 1: like and it wasn't like a great throw by bow knicks,

876
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: not many r but like the ball is thrown like

877
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: he was trying to hit him on his inside shoulder

878
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: and he's looking out towards the sideline. It was amazing.

879
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: I was just like, what's he doing? Did you ever

880
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: figure out what he was looking at? I never found out?

881
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: Like maybe lead Corso Corso? Yeah, that's interesting. Hey, I

882
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,200
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883
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Speaker 1: Dame Brugler in the Great Mister Captain Trade Down, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Cavanaugh as always, and Captain trade down. You know, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: you did put that in our WebEx that we're using

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Speaker 1: to communicate virtually at the moment. Is Captain trade Down

931
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: riding again? Because I haven't gotten an update over the

932
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: last couple weeks. Oh, I think he consistently is trying

933
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: to get on the horse. But I gotta tell you

934
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: he has second and third thoughts all the time. Because

935
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Speaker 1: some people hate draft simulators, like my buddy Votch absolutely

936
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: despises draft simulators. I have done probably six hundred thousand

937
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: draft simulations for this year on my YouTube page. So like,

938
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: will I love trade down until you trade down and

939
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: all the guys you thought you were trading down for

940
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: are gone? And then Captain trade down is an idiot?

941
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: So am I Captain trade down? Yes? All the way

942
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: to like fifteen, and that's about as far as I

943
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: want to go, because then jac Horne's gone and somebody

944
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: takes Barmore and you're like, okay, so now the corners

945
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: are gone, Barmore's gone, Slater and Sewel are gone, and

946
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: you're going, what in the hell did I t down for?

947
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: So Captain trade doown does live? But he lives very tepidly.

948
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: He stall Gregory Russo sitting there for you, Yeah, grew

949
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: up a thing. I would take Gregory Rousseau right there

950
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Speaker 1: at the top of the fourth round. Okay, top of

951
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: the fourth round. Interesting for Gregory Rousseau is a bad player, Okay.

952
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about this before, but we

953
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: talked about it with Bucky Brooks the other day, and

954
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: I want to get you and Bucky on the same

955
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Speaker 1: show at some point and then we can really get

956
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: into this. But you have strong thoughts about Gregory Rousseau,

957
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: but I want to kind of take it generally into

958
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: the defensive line because it's not a strong defensive tackle class.

959
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: If Christian Barbour is not there, should you have trade back?

960
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: If you're the Dallas Cowboys, then all of a sudden,

961
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: you're kind of dry from a defensive line standpoint. But

962
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: is there anybody else to get you excited? Or is

963
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: everybody kind of overhyped? Is that why Gregory Russo's in

964
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: that conversation. I don't, honestly, I mean, I'm I'm being

965
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: letely honest here. I don't know why he would be

966
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: in the conversation. There's nothing I've seen from him that

967
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: puts him in a conversation in the first round. So

968
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I get it. If you want

969
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: to talk about Zizagu Larry, I get it. If you

970
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: want to talk about Jayalen Phillips or Quitty Pay, I

971
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: get it. If you want to talk about Carlos Basham.

972
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: I like Peyton Turner at Houston and Joseph Osa and

973
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: Ronnie Perkins. I like a lot of people before I

974
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: get to Gregory Rousseau. So I don't know what puts

975
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: him in the conversation other than he's tall and long. Dang,

976
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: what puts him in the conversation. I don't necessarily disagree

977
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: with what a lot of jeff is saying because I'm not.

978
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: I don't love Gregor Rousseau. I am intrigued by him

979
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: as a prospect, but I do not like him as

980
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: a player right now. Maybe I'll phrase it that way.

981
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's a faith based projection, That's what he is.

982
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: He's still very much learning how to play the position,

983
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: how to make it in fact impact from snap to snap.

984
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: His I like his instincts. I think he has some

985
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: natural instincts to him, and I like his traits. He's long,

986
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: he's got a frame that you can mold, and you

987
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: know he's a he has some athleticism to him, So,

988
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, can he evolve into a stylistically speaking, a

989
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones type, you know, just not Chaneley Jones, but

990
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: that style of Russia? Can't he evolve into that in

991
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Yeah, I think that's that it

992
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: gets possible. But again that's a faith based projection. You

993
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: are banking on a guy that hasn't necessarily shown a

994
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: lot of what you're hoping to see. He hasn't shown

995
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: it up to this point, so he needs to work

996
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: on it. So um, you know, it's it's tough here, Jeff,

997
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: let me throw this at you. Who would you rather

998
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: have Jason Oway, who is a you know, verified free

999
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: but zero sacks last year, or Gregor Rousseau who had

1000
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: all the production in the world last time he was

1001
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: on the field, but you know, obviously still figuring out

1002
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: how to play the position, and there's a lot of

1003
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: a lot of projection involved. So which which one of

1004
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: those two players would you be more confident about hitting

1005
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: at the next level. I think I would take o way,

1006
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: which is wild. I would take the zero SAT guy

1007
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: over the fifteen and a half SAT guy because I think,

1008
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: to me, his awesome, awesome athleticism is what I would

1009
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: want to give to my coaching staff as opposed to

1010
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: Rousseau's body, right, because that's what we're comparing, is athleticism

1011
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: versus body type. Sure, I would go away, now I would.

1012
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I have Oa ranked higher than Rousseau just

1013
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: so I agree. I have Owa three spots higher than

1014
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: Rousseau at the moment as well. But I mean, there

1015
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys in that conversation, But is

1016
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: it really in Katie. I want your thought on this

1017
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: as well. But they're not a not even a home run.

1018
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: I know there's no home run. There's no Chase Young

1019
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: in this draft. But where does this draft of edge

1020
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: rushers and even defensive tackles rank and compared to classes

1021
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: in the past. Because the more I go down the list,

1022
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: the more I don't like it compared to maybe even

1023
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: the classes of twenty twenty, twenty nineteen and so on

1024
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: and so forth. Yeah, it's just kind of identify those

1025
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: drafts where a Miles Garrett and a Chase Young and

1026
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: a Bosa brother didn't go in the top few picks

1027
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: like I remember, and I this is tough because I

1028
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: don't have the years. It's gonna be tough for me.

1029
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: But I remember the Derek Barnett year and there might

1030
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: have been someone great that went ahead of him, but

1031
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: Derek Barnett and people were talking about him. Alts Garrett

1032
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: was in that draft. Yeah, so Miles Garrett was the first,

1033
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: but Derek Barnett was there, and I was going, I'm

1034
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: not sure why everyone likes Derek Barnett is the second

1035
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: defensive end of the draft. And I just didn't. I didn't.

1036
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: I didn't love Derek Barnett and what he went fourteen

1037
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: or fifteen or seventeen or whatever kind of in that mix.

1038
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: I used to have photographic memory, Kyle, but I'm old now.

1039
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: Us once you cross that threshold of thirty, the sharpness

1040
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 1: goes away. So like to me, I mean, we've we've

1041
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: seen we've seen drafts like that, and that's where I

1042
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: think it's more important to figure out guys that maybe

1043
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: you're unsure of. Like, for instance, I've got a guy

1044
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: who I like a little bit. I think he's potentially

1045
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: a top one hundred guy, but every time I go

1046
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: back and watch him I still end up with the

1047
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: hands up shoulder shrug emoji. It's Washington's Joe Trying. I mean,

1048
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: he is a guy who's been very difficult for me

1049
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: because I don't fully know what he is. But I

1050
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: like his body, I like his effort. I like a

1051
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: lot of his tape. I think like him. I'm trying

1052
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: hard to like him, Jeff, I'm trying hard. I think

1053
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: he can set the edge sometimes, you know, like I think.

1054
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: I think he's not a super bendy guy. There are

1055
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Speaker 1: times when he drives me insane because he will beat

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Speaker 1: the offensive tackle, but instead of turning bending that thing off,

1057
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: he is flying ten yards up the field, like, dude,

1058
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback's not gonna drop back fifteen yards. As Jeff

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Speaker 1: said with the pun of the Day, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Miller Lite. I'm trying to like him, but I

1061
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: don't know. So if you guys have seen him, let

1062
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: me know. Yeah. I do like Joe Trying. He's been

1063
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: a top fifty guy for me since the summer, and

1064
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that I love him as

1065
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: like a top twenty five, top thirty guy, but I

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00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: like him somewhere in that thirty to fifty range. You know,

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00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: he's just a a little bit of work in progress,

1068
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: there's no doubt, but I think he has the tools

1069
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 1: where you know, he just you streamlined those pass rush

1070
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: skills a little bit. You can get him some more,

1071
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: some more coaching, and you know, he reminds me a

1072
00:56:54,719 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: lot of is Marcus ut say just what you can

1073
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: do up m H. So as long as you know

1074
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: gets In Turner as the eighth the eighth pass rusher

1075
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: in this draft, I mean that's that's pretty good. If

1076
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: you can get Ronnie Perkins as the ninth or tenth

1077
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: guy drafted, that's great. Even in the Day three when

1078
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: you've got guys like you know, Quincy Roche, Like Quincy

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00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: Roche is a guy that you know I saw popping

1080
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: up in first round mocksun like I just don't see it.

1081
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: But you know that's because you know, the NFL sees

1082
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: them more as a third or fourth round or not

1083
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: a first rounder. So if I can get him early

1084
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: in the fourth, then awesome. Chauncey Golston from Iowa. He

1085
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: might not be one of the top fifteen or said,

1086
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: he may not be a pass russure, but he's a

1087
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: good player. He's there, he can be disruptive. I mean, hey,

1088
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: when you have that length, I mean you can You're

1089
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: gonna be part of a rotation in the NFL for

1090
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: a long time. So again, I think within context, this

1091
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: pass rush class has a lot to offer. You're not

1092
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: going to find a Miles Garrett in this group, but

1093
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: if you're looking for some quality players, they're going to

1094
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: carve out careers in this league. This group has has

1095
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: some guys. Really quickly, before we kind of wrap things

1096
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: up here, you mentioned Quincy Rochet. You said fourth round.

1097
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: Did I hear that right? Yeah? Well, I think with

1098
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: the way he helped himself the Senior Bowl, I think

1099
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: he has a good chance to go top one hundred now.

1100
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: But okay, I mean people tried to say it he

1101
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: was like a first round pick like in the fall,

1102
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: and it just that was never the case. Never I

1103
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: grade it personally, just me and I know this, A

1104
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: lot of people are on the league graded him as

1105
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: the fourth round pick. And then with the way he

1106
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: played the Senior Bowl. Uh, you know, I gave him

1107
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a of a bump based

1108
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: off of how we played. But you know, he's a

1109
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: I think he's a borderline top one hundred guy, so

1110
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: maybe late third, early fourth. I had him as a

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00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: late second, early third, So I mean I might be

1112
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: wrong on that one, but I think he did help

1113
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: because I had him a little bit higher than what

1114
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: you had him prior to the Senior Bowl, and then

1115
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl elevated him a little bit more than

1116
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: that because I thought he had a good week down

1117
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: in Mobile. Any other guys we want to talk about

1118
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: before we wrap things up in terms of these pass rushers?

1119
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: Kat Oh, Well, I want to throw the ball to Jeff.

1120
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: Jeff'son Marlin guy. I want Jeff to talk about his guy. Marlin. Oh,

1121
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: that's not a pass rusher though, that's my defense. That's

1122
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: my defensive tackle. You mean that's better, the better USC

1123
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: defensive tackle out of the two we're talking d lineman today.

1124
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: All Right, we're good. I agree. I agree he's better.

1125
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: He's fifty player in this draft? Is that how you? Okay?

1126
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: Marlin tool Loui Potu, I doubt that's it, Hue to Lopo,

1127
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I'm all over the place to

1128
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: tell me about him. Jeff two. He's three hundred and

1129
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: five pounds and one of the things I really like

1130
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: with my defensive tackles as I like the guys who

1131
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 1: make you type the words violent hands, and I think

1132
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: that that's him. I think, even though he's three hundred

1133
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: and five pounds, that he's one of those guys that

1134
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: will man handle some single blockers. He's just so hard

1135
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: to sustain a block on he's active. I think he

1136
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: is better suited to help an NFL team than at

1137
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: least when I was starting to do the work. I

1138
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: feel like his teammate Jay Tufele, who opted out this year,

1139
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: was the more talked about d tackle. They have the

1140
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: same build, but Marlon t to me, is just a

1141
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: more consistent, more powerful, more heavy handed guy that I

1142
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: think is totally worth to me, like a third round

1143
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: pick and stick him in the middle of your defense

1144
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: and have some fun. Sounds like fun to me. Any

1145
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: of those guys that could potentially come in and I'm

1146
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: sure up the run game, sure up the defense. The

1147
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys need a one technique, probably more so than they

1148
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: need a three technique because you have like four of

1149
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: them on the roster already. So let's go find a

1150
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: one technique. Maybe some pass rush depth at the edge spot.

1151
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: Two and then let's figure it out defensively. But that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us here on the Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: Make sure and tune in next Thursday ten am Central

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Speaker 1: Time with these guys back in action, and then also

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Speaker 1: Tuesday at ten a m Bucky Brooks, Bryan brought us,

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Speaker 1: and the great David Hellman joining us on Tuesdays. But

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Speaker 1: for now, it's that's it for us. Chris Bean back

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Speaker 1: in studio for Kevin Kat Turner, Jeff Cavana on Dame Bruegler.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yelmans. We'll see you next time on The

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