1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Klay Travis and I'm Buck Sexton. You know 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: what we're thankful for this year, all of you. That's right, 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: we have the best radio audience in the country, hands down. 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Sending a big, warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: and Buck Show. I never really third an hour of 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: the Clay and Buck Show on this lovely Friday. Thank 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: you for being with us. And we're joined by our 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: friend Mike Baker. He is my Cia brother from another mother. 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: He is also the host of the PDB podcast Presidential 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: Daily Brief Podcast, which is doing huge numbers. Doing great 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: stuff there, mister Baker. Always a pleasure to have you here. 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: Thanks, Matt, really appreciate it. 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: What's gonna happen in Venezuela? What is telling me? You 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: want to skip to the end of the movie, Like, 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: what's going on here? We're blowing up these boats in 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: the Caribbean and the narco boats. Venezuela is a narco state, 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: which I think needs to be more part of the conversation. 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: The leadership there makes a lot of money off of 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: the export of fentanyl out of their country and into 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: our country. Also cocaine, heroin, other stuff. Yeah, what are 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: we doing with these strikes, you think, and where's this going? 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is. It is fascinating, like it's a 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: little bit obviously now no point intended, uncharted waters and 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: what are we up to above eighty individuals killed so 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: far as these strikes, I think. But setting aside, you know, 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: the legalities of all of this, and just looking at 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: it from an operational perspective, you know, it comes down to, okay, well, 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: you know, if if you believe that the intelligence is 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: credible and that you know the targeting is uh is 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: well thought through, do I have a problem with with 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: going after narco traffickers? No, I don't. We spent decades, right, 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: I was involved in in the drug wars while was 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: with the agency, spent a lot of time in counting 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: narcotics operations in parts of the world, and they always 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: called it a war on drugs, and it never really 36 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: was right in the sense that we never really had 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: a chance to win it. You could destroy the facility, 38 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: you know, a cooking house, a warehouse somewhere, interdict a 39 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: large shipment, and it never really impacted anything. Didn't affect 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: the street price, didn't affect how much gear was stored 41 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: in warehouses around the world, in part because yeah, you've 42 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: got the demand issue, and we've never been good at 43 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: dealing with the demand side of things. So now we're 44 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: calling it a war on drugs, and it is actually 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: looking like a. 46 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: War on drugs. The other part of this question is 47 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: what are we doing with Venezuela? And I have to 48 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: assume that the massive military build up in the Caribbean, 49 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: which is outsized for a counter narcotics effort or a 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: war on drugs, is all about putting pressure on Maduro 51 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 3: and more importantly, probably putting pressure on those around him 52 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: to convince someone or a group of individuals there, or 53 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: advisors or military senior officers, whomever, that it's time for 54 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: Maduro to go. So I have to assume that that 55 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: is if we're operating on two tracks here. 56 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: Now. 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this part of it, Mike, 58 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: but to me, I was concerned, Okay, do we want 59 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: to be even if the side effect of let's say, 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: US operations against the cartels is the toppling of them 61 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: of the Duro regime. People worry about that regime change situation. 62 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: We've seen that go badly elsewhere. But then I saw 63 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: Maduro singing the John Lennon song Imagine, and I was like, 64 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: this guy's got to go because that's the worst song 65 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: in the world. 66 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: Exactly. Not only that, it was the worst rendition of 67 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: the worst song ever. So yeah, I think, look, it 68 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: is well, maybe I'll be proven wrong on this. It 69 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: is highly unlikely that we're going into Venezuela militarily to 70 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: in a direct conflict with the Venezuelan government and military 71 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: to oust Maduro. Right, So I think the hope for 72 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: scenario again is this pressure campaign. He probably won't leave 73 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: on his own volition, but others may convince him that 74 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: that's the only thing he can do. So you look 75 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: at that and you say, Okay, fine, you're right. Regime 76 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: change is a very ugly thing. But this is not 77 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: This is not Libya, it's not Iraq in the sense 78 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: that I'm not calling for regime change. What I'm saying 79 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: is apples to apples, Right, So you've got a legitimate 80 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: opposition government that's sitting out there Maduro, and you know, everybody, 81 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: even people on the left, we are going to have 82 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: to look at this and go, yeah, the evidence shows 83 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: that Maduro stole that election outright, So you do have 84 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: an opposition in waiting now, whether you know, there's a 85 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: sense of survivability on the part of the senior military 86 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: there in Venezuela, and they say, okay, now it's time 87 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: to work with the opposition because we want to save 88 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: our own asses. I don't think a transition necessarily would be, 89 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: you know, sort of this ugly scene that we've seen 90 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: elsewhere played out sometimes when you get regime change and 91 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: then it just all heads south. 92 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: So we've got this Operation Southern Spear is the name 93 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: of it, a build up of American naval forces in 94 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: the Caribbean, the largest since the Cuban Missile Crisis and 95 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: the blockade of Cuba in nineteen sixty two. The gerald 96 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: Ford aircraft carrier is now out in the Caribbean, which 97 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: I think is our biggest carrier. It is. It is 98 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand troops in the region. You know, Marco Rubio 99 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: has a well, it's gonna say he has a large role. 100 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: He has many large roles. Actually in this administration he 101 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: has more than one role. But he is a I 102 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: think a dedicated anti communist in the best sense, and 103 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: that includes the regime in Cuba. If we do get 104 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: a major let's say the major regime instead toppling makes 105 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: it sound like we did it. What if it implodes, 106 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: What if it crumbles and is no longer in a 107 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: position or no longer willing to subsidize the Cuban government 108 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: with a whole lot of oil, without which Cuba is 109 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: basically screwed. Feels like there's a chance for a two 110 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: for one here, Mike. 111 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: Look at that. It's a Black Friday sale. Yeah, you 112 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: know it could happen. And you're absolutely right to point 113 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: out this is not happening in a bubble, meaning it's 114 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: not just Venezuela and US, you know, stare each other down, 115 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: Russia and China certainly cue, but they've all got a 116 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: stake in this, right, and and even Iran, right Madurella 117 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: has been you know, been turning to Iran even for 118 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: you know, hope, for support, trying to say, look at 119 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: this with the imperialist dogs are doing to you. Uh 120 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: so there are other people that play here. When when 121 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: folks talk about, you know, the US is doing this 122 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: simply for Venezuela's resources, Okay, that's that old trope that 123 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: we always get. Right. Oh, they're they're moving into a 124 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: rock because of the oil they're they're doing that. Oh god, 125 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: you know you hear that one more time. I mean, 126 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: I've had conversations recently where, you know, some a couple 127 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: of people, very intelligent people, but they were completely convinced 128 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: that this you know, Cartel of the Suns that keeps 129 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: getting referred to as the kind of the pseudo organization 130 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: that exists as an arco trafficking network, you know, sponsored 131 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: by the state in Venezuela, that was a product of 132 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: creation for the CIA. 133 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 4: Right. 134 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: I had to listen to a conversation about that, and 135 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: again from smart people. But you get these these things 136 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: to get rolled out and you look and you think, okay, 137 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: is there even any reason to respond to that, right, 138 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: because you just give it credibility. 139 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: So but I do well, I always I always have 140 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 1: to point out to people, Mike that you know, people 141 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: who who get into this lane, they can either either 142 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: the CIA is a bunch of Machiavellian geniuses that can 143 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: do anything anywhere in the world whenever they want, or 144 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: they're completely useless and incompetent. They can't have both though, 145 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: right like you, they can't be super geniuses who could 146 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: do anything anywhere and they're totally worthless. Because I've heard 147 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: that from people. I'm like, I think those things go 148 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: in contradiction. 149 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they do, they do, and and but usually 150 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: what I hear is that, yeah, somehow the CIA is 151 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: responsible for everything, and and you know, but it's it's 152 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: always and then you know, typically followed backfilled by the 153 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: idea that you know, the US should not ever do 154 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 2: anything ever, you know, overseas, we have no right to 155 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: do anything anywhere, and you know, somehow then we would 156 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: just have this peaceful community of nations. And you know, anyhow, 157 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: I don't want to disappear down that that rabbit hole, 158 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: but I guess I was about to. But yeah, the 159 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: problem with with Venezuela is that you do have other 160 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: players there. The Russians have a big stake and in 161 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: this they don't want to see this turn. You know, 162 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: they certainly would at this time when they're losing influence 163 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: in a variety of ways. You know, the idea that 164 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: they would lose an important foothold in our backyard doesn't 165 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: sit well with putin. China's then playing out there purely 166 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: for their own self interest in terms of getting their 167 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: hands on the resources like we get accused of but 168 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: nobody ever mentions that about the Chinese regime. So there's 169 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: a lot at play here. I just don't think that 170 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: what we're looking at, and again maybe I'll be proven wrong, 171 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: but I don't believe the White House strategy it's going 172 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: to be to put the military into Venezuela for a 173 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: direct conflict with the government in the military wee thing. 174 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm want to do a little bit of a Pivoty 175 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: or Mike you if for anyone's seeing you on Fox 176 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: or your podcast, the PDB podcast, which is fantastic and 177 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: people should go check it out. You look like what 178 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think a secret agent 179 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: man looks like. And you've got the square jaw, all American. 180 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: You know you're you're a manly man. And the American 181 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: young men, or rather American young men, are increasingly wanting people, 182 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: or they want the society around them to stop making 183 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: them feel like being a man is a bad thing. 184 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: The Democrats are unable to reach these young men because 185 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: of the way they've talked about toxic masculinity and all 186 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: this stuff. Pete Hegseat has gone into the Pentagon and 187 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: has really just refocused on war fighting and also, let's 188 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: be honest, the kind of on a bashed masculinity in 189 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: the way we fight wars. Is there a way to 190 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: make the CIA badass or at least less, you know, 191 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: less sort of smarmy buck prat that it is right now. 192 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm wondering how you feel about that, because we could 193 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: use some help. 194 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know, well, I mean, look, you know 195 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: this as well, you know better than I do that 196 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: the Agency is a is a real mix, right, You've 197 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: got all sorts of folks, you know, banging around the 198 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: corridors there and in our places overseas, and you know, look, 199 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: it takes all types. But I agree one hundred percent 200 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 2: with the idea that we need to we need to 201 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: be focused with a risk. The Agency is a risk 202 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: taking organization, so damn we should act like one. And 203 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: we we don't need But the Directorate of the Administration plays 204 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: an important role. It's a very important directorate, right. I 205 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: know a lot of good people there. They keep the 206 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: trains running on time, they do a lot of things. 207 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: But you know, we kind of disappeared down the same 208 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: rabbit hole that a lot of bureaucracies did over the 209 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: past handful of years. Imagining somehow that we we were 210 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: like a corporate culture, and that's that's not helpful to 211 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: to a risk taking organization. So yeah, I'm trying to 212 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: be a little bit delicate. I have I you know, 213 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: I have a lot of good friends over there, and 214 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: I know Summer on kind of both sides of this issue, 215 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: and I get it. But I would like to see 216 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: a return to a real risk taking mindset. You know 217 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: what it's like, right, I mean we were there. 218 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's critical for morale. I mean, you know, 219 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: if you can make if you can make all this money, 220 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, if you can come out of school and 221 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: make you know, two hundred and three hundred grand at Google, 222 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: Like why why go work at at Langley if you're 223 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: going to be like lectured and hounded over DEI nonsense 224 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: and like trends identification day all the time. I mean 225 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: that's what I hear from the people over there. 226 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you got to get you got to move 227 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: that out right and you and again I keep going 228 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: back to the same thing. Look, we we saw cycles, 229 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: right if you if if you get your ass kicked 230 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: up on Capitol Hill because an operation or a direction 231 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: that you're going in goes bad, then suddenly you know, 232 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: that risk versus game calculation recalibrates, and then you get 233 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: a period of time where management doesn't want to put 234 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: their head over the wall because they don't want to 235 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: get their ass kicked again up on Capitol Hill, and 236 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: so you don't take the risks right and then eventually 237 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: that recalibrates because the world requires it. You know, some 238 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: issue somewhere means you've got to get back on tracks. 239 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: Well, basically, Mike, we're gonna need you to be the 240 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: Pete Heggsath of the CIA. But that's a whole other 241 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: We'll have you back for that conversation. But you got 242 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: to go in there and crack some skulls and kick 243 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: some masses and make make spies great again. But Mike Baker, 244 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: everybody go. 245 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: Check to that effect, write a note to that effect, 246 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: send it to the White House, and I'd be happy 247 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: to pack my role. 248 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: I'll let them know. 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Taxes 268 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: and fees non included. Some restrictions apply. 269 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 5: The shelves are stocked with brillions. Clay, Travis and Buck 270 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 5: Sexton back in mere moments. 271 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. 272 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: Really good conversation there with Mike Baker. He was a 273 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: great guy I've known Mike a long time and was 274 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: really he was very kind. He met with me when 275 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: I was leaving the CIA finally, and I basically going 276 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: to him, I'm like, so we allowed to have ideas 277 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: in public? Are we allowed to do that? And Mike 278 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, just don't see anything classified. Don't be dumb, 279 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: and I said, all right. So that was very helpful 280 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: going forward. And I have to tell you the one 281 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: thing that when we look at the possibility of toppling 282 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: the government of Venezuela, there's some considerable upside if this 283 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: were to happen. There is a leadership that could take 284 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: over that's already in place Venezuelan. This isn't like we're 285 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: bringing somebody you know, out of retirement who lives in 286 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: the suburbs of DC to take over in Venezuela, as 287 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, El Presidente or something. And it would put 288 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: tremendous pressure on Cuba as well. But when we start 289 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: to talk about taking on the cartels and a more 290 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: military approach to things, I wonder what it would be 291 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: like if we really went after the drug cartels in Mexico. 292 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: And I know some of you want that this has 293 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: been certainly discussed the Trump administration as of let me 294 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: see here, this was just a couple of weeks ago. 295 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: They've begun detailed planning for a new mission to send 296 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: American troops and intelligence officers into Mexico to target drug cartels. 297 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: This is according to NBC News. Early stages of training 298 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: for the potential mission, which would include ground operations inside Mexico, 299 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: have begun. Deployment to Mexico is not imminent, but they're 300 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: basically saying that this would be a JASOCK Joint Special 301 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: Operations Command mission, so it would be under the US 302 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: Intelligence Community AEGIS Title fifty status. So this is like 303 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: getting into the CIA Black Eye kind of stuff and 304 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: going after the car tells this is very much like 305 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: I always talk about Tom Clancy's clear in Present Danger. 306 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: But this is taking the fight to the cartels, and 307 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: I think they're going to do this. I don't know 308 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: how extensive it will be, and I don't know how 309 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: successful it immediately will be, but I do think that 310 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: they are going to take a certainly a paramilitary approach 311 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: to the drug cartels. And I think that the American 312 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: people are broadly supportive of efforts to do whatever is 313 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: necessary to stop the mass importation of fentanyl into this country. 314 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: We often talk about all the deaths from fentanyl, which 315 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: is heartbreaking and horrific. There's also just the societal destruction 316 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: from it. For every person who dies of a fent 317 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: fentanyl overdose, there are people who are left behind in 318 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: that family, and there are devastated communities, and it's just 319 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: so much loss. 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Paid for 341 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: by Paradigm Press. Hey everybody, it's Buck Sexton from all 342 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: of us in the Clay and Buck family. Happy Thanksgiving. 343 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm ready about here. On our third hour of this 344 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: Friday on the Clay and Buck Show, we have Tutor 345 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: Dixon in the mix. The Tutor Dixon podcast on the 346 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck Network is fantastic and so many of 347 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: you are listening and it's growing every month, and thank 348 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: you for that, Tutor. Let's start with this. What has 349 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: the Michelle Obama book tour been all about? Media tour 350 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: that she's been doing? Because the only sound bites that 351 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: I or you know, video clips that I've seen of 352 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: this truly make her seem less likable to a lot 353 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: of people. What's what is going on here? 354 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 6: Oh? 355 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 4: I know she's on this tour where she is really 356 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 4: it's just like a shame America tour, or it feels 357 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: very much like a Shame America tour because she talks 358 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 4: about how the being the First Lady is not like 359 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 4: this great privilege and she just kind of rolls her 360 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 4: eyes when she's asked about being First Lady and being 361 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 4: an example for women, and she trashes white people. She 362 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 4: says that white people have been forcing her to straighten 363 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 4: her hair, which I thought, I don't remember anybody talking 364 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 4: about her hair. I guess once she went on vacation 365 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 4: as she had her hair braided and people said something 366 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 4: about her hair. And I think this is not unique 367 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 4: to the First Lady. Anybody who is in the public 368 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 4: eye gets constant criticism. She is not that special, but 369 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 4: she wants us to feel guilty for everything she has 370 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 4: had to suffer in the public eye. 371 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: Well for somebody who is as generally certainly by the 372 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: left wring media celebrated and really the biggest corporate entities 373 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: and everything else, I mean, Michelle Obama is I don't know. 374 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: She's probably worked with Baraka on million dollars plus. I mean, 375 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: they've done incredibly well financially, and the Obama dynasty certainly 376 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: lives on in the media, and yet she seems unhappy 377 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: with America, with the country that was made her first lady. 378 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: She lived in the White House for eight years. She's 379 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: incredibly rich. She hangs out with like Richard Branson and 380 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: the you know, the biggest names and well just the 381 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: biggest names in the world. And yet she has a 382 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: lot of complaints. 383 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 4: She's incredibly rich. She can walk in anywhere, she is respected. 384 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: Like you said, she she can spend time with the 385 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 4: biggest Hollywood celebrities. It's not even like a Republican. You know, Republicans, 386 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 4: you're still shunned by half of the country. Is a Democrat, 387 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 4: You're welcomed everywhere. But she is so mad about something. 388 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 4: And I wish somebody in these interviews when she has, 389 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 4: you know, the other rich woman sitting across from her 390 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 4: complaining about how bad life is for women. I wish 391 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 4: one of them would say to her, was the was 392 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 4: the jew the juice worth the squeeze? You know, like, 393 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 4: was it worth it? Being first lady? You obviously hated it, 394 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 4: It was so terrible for you. Was it worth it? 395 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: Is your life now worth it? Because I'd love to 396 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 4: hear what she has to say. You know, she's had 397 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 4: that podcast where she has negatively talked about Barak, which 398 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 4: would seemingly be humiliating me if you were him. She 399 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 4: has been disparaging to people that had been around them 400 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 4: in the White House. But there's this weird twist now 401 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 4: to what she's doing because she's complaining about having to 402 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 4: dress up and having to have her hair and makeup done, 403 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 4: and she talks about that in this tour that she's on. 404 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 4: But she's very physically fit. She she looks great, she 405 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: does her hair is done, and she seems to be 406 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 4: continuing to get her hair done, and she has a 407 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 4: very she always is dressed very nicely, and like I said, 408 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 4: she looks like she's fresh and ready to do something next. 409 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 4: And the question is like, what is her plan? And 410 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 4: I had Stacey Washington on the podcast. You've got to 411 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 4: listen to it because she had a totally different take 412 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 4: than what I would have thought when I was When 413 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 4: I was talking to her, She's like, I've never thought 414 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 4: Michelle Obama was going to come back and do something 415 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 4: major in the public eye, but there's been some gleamings 416 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 4: of like what the future Michelle Obama could be and 417 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 4: it's kind of terrifying. So you have to listen to 418 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: what she says, because she makes a good point and 419 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 4: she sees things from a perspective that I think I 420 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 4: wouldn't have seen it. So I would say everyone should 421 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 4: listen to the Tutor Dixon podcasts and check out what 422 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 4: she had to say. 423 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I was. I don't want to get ahead 424 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: of or get in the way of the podcast listening, 425 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: but I'm certainly curious if you think that Michelle Obama 426 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: is actually she said that she's not gonna run, and 427 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: I've said she's never gonna run, but I'll leave it 428 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: out there. I'll let people go listen to the podcast. 429 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: But speaking of people running, you faced off against Gretchen 430 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: Whitmer in the governor's race for Michigan. Very sad, very 431 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: sad that the people of Michigan were not able to 432 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: get that done the right way, and Gretchen Whitmer still 433 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: sits in office. So it's a bummer for Michigan and 434 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: for the rest of us too. What can you tell 435 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: us so you understand the Whitmer machine quite well? Is 436 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: she running for president for sure in the next cycle, 437 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: which would start in basically a year. 438 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 4: So it's really interesting that you ask because just this week, 439 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 4: the Detroit News came out with an article that is 440 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 4: pointing out that she has an entity that raised seven 441 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 4: I think seven million dollars somewhere around seven million dollars, 442 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 4: and that almost her entire campaign staff from her gubernatorial 443 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 4: run has moved over to this entity. And the question 444 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 4: they're posing is is this the entity that is going 445 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 4: to run the presidential campaign. I have no doubt in 446 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 4: my mind. I have never doubted for a second that 447 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 4: Gretchen Whitmer is planning to run for president. It's not 448 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 4: even like a second stop for me. It's so obvious. 449 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 4: She has never held a single political position that she 450 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 4: is not looking for the next political position that she 451 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 4: will be in. And she's done with Michigan. She's been 452 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 4: done with Michigan since before she ran for office the 453 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 4: second time, and since she has since she won in 454 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 4: twenty two she has spent so much time overseas, which 455 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 4: is not to do anything good for Michigan. She uses 456 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 4: the taxpayer money to go over there and say that 457 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 4: she's trying to bring business here because the state of 458 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 4: Michigan is dying. We have no business. Our education system 459 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 4: is forty fourth in the nation, we have the highest 460 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 4: energy cost she's doing. She's brought no business from all 461 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: these trips. I mean she's gone to Japan, she's gone 462 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 4: to Spain, she's gone to Germany. She's gone to multiple 463 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 4: different countries just in the last few years. And I 464 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 4: promise you it is simply to say I've got foreign 465 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 4: policy chops. I'm going to be able to be the 466 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: leader of the free world because I've already been all 467 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: over Europe and oliver Asia and I'm ready to do this. 468 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 4: She is using her position as governor to pretend she 469 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 4: can be president. She hasn't done anything for the state 470 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 4: of Michigan. 471 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: Do you think, put aside what I think you and 472 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: I would agree without even discussing, it would be the 473 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: extremely unfortunate situation of Gretchen Whitmer actually being president. But 474 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: do you think that she will be a formidable primary 475 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: candidate among the field of Democrats should she run? 476 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: Right? 477 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's one thing to run. Some people run 478 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: because they want more speaking fees and book sales or whatever. Right, 479 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: do you think that she will, if she enters that field, 480 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: be a top three contender pretty reliably. 481 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 4: I think she is going to find out that once 482 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 4: she's in a real primary because she's never really faced 483 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 4: anyone in the state of Michigan that was serious, and 484 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 4: once she's in a real primary against a Gavin Newso 485 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 4: who actually he I mean, I think the guy is 486 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 4: a total snake, but he's a very good politician and 487 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 4: slick talker. Gretchen Whitmer is not. She is not very 488 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 4: good off the cuff conversation. She struggles and interviews. She's 489 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 4: very similar to Kamala in that sense. She's not good 490 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 4: on her feet and she doesn't really have anything to 491 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 4: back up what she's saying because she hasn't accomplished anything. 492 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 4: So I think she's going to run. I don't think 493 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 4: she wins. I don't think that she gets very far 494 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 4: in the primary. I think she's kind of like a 495 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 4: one percent support Kamala Harris because she just doesn't have 496 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 4: that it factor when it comes to going to that level. 497 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 4: She could get through Michigan, she's not going to get 498 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: through the She's not going to fool the country. 499 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: That's really interesting because I know people talk about her 500 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: as a I think I hear about her a lot 501 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: more really as a likely VP candidate once again than 502 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: actually a presidential nominee for the Democrats. But we'll see 503 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: how that plays out. And you've faced off against hers, 504 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: you certainly know what she brings to the table. I 505 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: want to switch gears for a second. Earlier in the week, 506 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: I talked on the show about the change in attitudes 507 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: about young women twelfth graders, right, so basically high school graduates. 508 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: They're about you know, they're about to go out into 509 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: the world, maybe they're going to college, maybe they're going 510 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: to do something else. And sixty percent of them, the 511 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: latest pupil of women less than men, by the way, 512 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: less than young men, want to get married. You're a 513 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: woman that we know, what do you think about what's 514 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: going on here with young women? Like, well, I know 515 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: you've got four kids, but how is it that young 516 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: women are getting this kind of messaging? 517 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 4: You know, I really think that this is happening. I 518 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 4: was actually just talking to someone about this. If you 519 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 4: watch these the pop culture shows, if you're watching what 520 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 4: the messages in high school right now, the message is like, 521 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 4: you don't need anyone, you can do this all on 522 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 4: your own. There is this stastic life out there for 523 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 4: you alone. But I do think that that's there's a 524 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 4: culture shift where young men are not happy with the 525 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 4: idea of being alone. I think that there's the faith factor. 526 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 4: I think there's been a bit of a revival in 527 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 4: Christianity and there is a bit of a push for 528 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 4: that traditional lifestyle. So I think that there is a 529 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 4: real chance that we see a baby boom in this country, 530 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 4: that that's all going to switch. But I don't know 531 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 4: that it happens overnight. I think that we are going 532 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 4: to we have to be steadily holding on. I mean, 533 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 4: I see these battles online right now over different faiths 534 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 4: right and especially in Michigan. I see the battle over 535 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 4: faith all the time, and I think instead of battling 536 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 4: over which faith is the best, focus on your own 537 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 4: and try to I mean, aren't we called to recruit 538 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 4: people to our own faith? And if if the church 539 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 4: reached out more, I think the that would be a 540 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 4: huge support to young women. And we're lacking there. But 541 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 4: I see that changing. 542 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: I certainly hope. So, Tutor Dixon, everybody go check out 543 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dix Dickson podcasts on the Clay Endbuck Network. 544 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: Listen to it this weekend. Tutor, thank you so much, 545 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. Would you be prepared if someone broke into 546 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: your home. What's the first thing you would grab to 547 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: defend yourself and your family? You want products from Saber 548 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: in that moment. Saber is the number one pepper spray 549 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: brand trusted by law enforcement, and it's the same ones 550 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: that Clay and I have in our home. 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Decide what 560 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: you want most for your family for non lethal protection 561 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: at the website, Go Toradio dot com, Sabri radio dot 562 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: com or call eight four four a two four safe. 563 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: That's eight four four eight two four safe. 564 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 5: More truth and wisdom coming up from Clay, Travis and 565 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 5: Buck Sexton to close. 566 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: Us out here for the weekend, my friends, before we 567 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: send you off, and I hope you have a great one. 568 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we got Thanksgiving coming up so soon, I 569 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: can't believe it. I'll be in New York for part 570 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: of next week, so I'll be able to see my 571 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: family that's based in NYC. And we will certainly have 572 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: our arguments and discussions here on the show about various 573 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving paraphernalia, including I will start a fight with Clay 574 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: over this. This stuff that you guys do. It's what's 575 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: ali what's it called again? Where they can't make a 576 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: pie but then they smash it all up and they cobbler. Yeah, 577 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: it's just a pie that someone sat on that you 578 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: don't want to admit someone sat on, so you call 579 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: it cobbler. I'm sorry. I don't make the rules. This 580 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: is just the way that it is. Bruce Rally, what 581 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: is the best thing to eat at Thanksgiving? What is 582 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: your number one? Your top thing? 583 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 7: Oh? 584 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: Really? 585 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 7: Good stuffing, a creative stuffing. 586 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: Stuffing is exciting. My thing is why isn't stuffing something 587 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: that is eaten a year round? Like, why is it 588 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: only on Thanksgiving? 589 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 590 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: I don't get this stuffing is delicious. 591 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 7: That's a really good question. I don't know, does Ginger 592 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 7: get any leftovers? 593 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's already. You know, she was supposed 594 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: to be. They told us she was going to be 595 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: twenty pounds, like the breeder told her she'd be twenty. 596 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: But she's like thirty pounds now. So we've probably got 597 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: to slow Ginger Spice down a little bit. She's gotten 598 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: very good at She's so manipulative. If she hears she 599 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: just walked in the room with me now too, she's 600 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: so cute. She heard me say her name, and so 601 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: she came in, Hey, how you doing. She knows that 602 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: if she comes in whenever there's tupperware that's been opened, 603 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: there's a chance that someone's going to give her some food. 604 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: And it's like we've trained her. Without training her, all 605 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: I have to do is open the top of a 606 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: tupperware lid, and wherever she is the house, somehow she 607 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: can always hear it. She will just she will just appear. 608 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 7: Our cats exact same way they do. 609 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: That is this for the tins of food or for 610 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: tupperware for just. 611 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 7: The tins of food. But they hear that and they 612 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 7: come running. 613 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: I have to give I have to give you credit 614 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: on something. Ali actually because the uh you mentioned this 615 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: that there's backs, there's backlash, backlash against Taylor Swift because 616 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: quote this is from Fortune magazine why some fans feel 617 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: jilted by the stars. Trad wife almost maga coated turn 618 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: to want to get married is now a tra like 619 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: that's a trad wife move. 620 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 6: Oh, just to be worse, it gets even worse. They're 621 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 6: actually accusing her of racism just because she said I 622 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 6: hope our kids look like him, like as a term 623 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 6: of endearment, like when you have children with the person 624 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 6: you love, you hope your kids look like them. 625 00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 7: How is that race? 626 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't understand how people thank you producer rally for this. 627 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't understand how people are so crazy about things 628 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: like this. But this is increasingly something that we all, 629 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: we all have to contend with. I guess that there 630 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: is now a movement where what does that tell you 631 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: though about think about this, everybody, What does it tell 632 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: you about where the country is headed? Where believing that 633 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: men and women are different and can't become each other 634 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: is right wing coded. Believing that a man and a 635 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: woman just getting married and and trying to build a 636 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: family together has some right wing flavor to it. That 637 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: seems to be what the Taylor Swift fans out there 638 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: are saying. I wish you know she I don't know. 639 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't share her politics, and I don't think she 640 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: knows anything about politics. That's fine. I do wish that 641 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: she would just for the betterment for the betterment of 642 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: American young womendom who, as discussed earlier in the week, 643 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 1: I think are are in limited numbers in talk radio 644 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: audience world. But I wish, you know we had I 645 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: wish we had all the sorority girls listening to this show. 646 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: But we have some, we don't have all of them. 647 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: But the truth is this should be a moment for 648 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a big t Swift fan. I'd like some 649 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: of her some of her tunes are kind of catchy, 650 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: but this should be a moment for her to just say, hey, girls, 651 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: go find a great guy, get married and start a family. 652 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be any kind of a giveaway to 653 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: Trump or the right wing or anything else, but encouraging 654 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: young women to do this it is a better pathway 655 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: for them. Look, should people have the right to sit 656 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: around and play video games all day and you know, 657 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: eat themselves into oblivion. I mean, yeah, if they choose 658 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: that and that they're able to do it, but that 659 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we should encourage them to do it. 660 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: And I just think that encouraging people to achieve a 661 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: family or to build the family and and and go 662 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 1: in the direction of what civilization has been built on 663 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: for thousands of years seems to be a pretty straightforward 664 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: proposition for you. But then again, you know, we'll see. 665 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: I think I might watch because I might have Carrie 666 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: might have a girl's night this weekend, girls' night out 667 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: at dinner, and that's where I encourage that. By the way, 668 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: I might have a chance to watch the Netflix Frankenstein movie, 669 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: because Carry doesn't do I don't even think of that. 670 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it's technically horror, kind of more sci fi 671 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: to me than horror, Like no one watches frankenstun. I 672 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, I'm so scared. But I 673 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: do like I do like Guillelmro Guillermo del Toro as 674 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: a director. So maybe I'll have a movie review for 675 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: you on on Monday of next week. Clay will be 676 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: back on Monday for sure, and that'll be fun, so 677 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: we can we can make more jokes about how he 678 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: has a halo now because he met with the Pope. 679 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: And I guess I got to up my game as 680 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: a Catholic here. I got to get in to see 681 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: the Pope. So I might have to make some calls 682 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: to some bishops or something this weekend. But I have 683 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: a great one everybody, and talk to you on Monday.