WEBVTT - Selects: Who is The Man of the Hole? 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:01.720 Hey, everybody. 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.160 Chuck here with a Saturday Select, bringing you one all 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.680 the way back from August twenty eighteen. A nice summer episode. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:13.560 Who Is the Man of the Whole? This is very interesting. 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:18.520 The Man of the Holes was somebody who lived by 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:24.800 himself as an uncontacted human, well pretty much uncontacted. A 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.920 very interesting story. Sometimes I wish I was the Man 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.880 of the Whole. But check it out right now. Who 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:37.240 is the Man of the Hole? Welcome to Stuff You 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:42.480 Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.560 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. So I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:54.480 and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry Jerome Brolind. Boy, 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.319 I'm not in a good way today, Chuck, you off 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:03.600 your game, as if you can't tell I think you're fine. Well, thanks, man, 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.520 I feel a lot better. Sure, Yeah, no, I'm okay. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.319 I can tell you. I'm I'm surrounded by friend's family. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.760 Like your dad's in the corner. It's weird. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.760 I have the idea I have TV. Oh man. I 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:25.280 instagrammed a photo of my mom and dad from the seventies. Yeah, 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.560 and I captioned it They're like looking at each other 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.639 kind of lovingly and I captioned it the moment before 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:34.560 I was conceived. 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.160 You know what Jerry showed me that today? 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.679 Oh yeah, she did. I look a lot like my 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.360 parents mixed together. Huh. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:42.640 Well. 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.920 The first thing I noticed was like, Wow, that's that's 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.760 what Josh would have looked like as a grown man 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:48.880 in the nineteen seventies. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:51.400 Because that profile. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.960 Of your dad, I don't know, I've never seen your 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.720 dad young, So I was like, man, that's really that's you. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.880 Yeah, I totally saw it. I saw both. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.760 Yeah. Yeah, because you look at my dad, You're like, oh, 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.560 that's Josh. But then you look at my mom, You're like, oh, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.760 there's Josh too. Very bizarre. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.680 Yeah, I don't. I guess I definitely favor my father, 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:11.560 is that right? 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.160 Yeah, So a lot of people just favor one or 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.160 the other. But I'm fifty to. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.359 Fifty Yep, that's kay all fifty to fifty. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.320 Yeah, I think that's a new one. 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.040 There's a T shirt, Yeah, fifty to fifty Clark. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.919 So, oh, I know the point I was making. There's 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.640 this House Stuff Works article that you sent called The 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.880 Man in the Hole, and it talks about this guy 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.840 who is the last of his kind, he's, as this 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.920 article put it, like the loneliest person on Earth. And 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.840 I was like, yeah, I mean, I'm sure this is 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.640 a lot like being in solitary confinement or something like that, 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.519 but no, this is way beyond that. And this house 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:58.520 stuff works article byes Lynn Shields like really drove it home. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.680 She wrote, like, what if you were the last person 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.480 who could speak your language, the last person who remembered 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:09.240 what Halloween was, or a Coca cola, or that a 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.880 dog says wolf, Like, imagine that, And I'm like, yeah, 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.679 that's way different from being in solitary. Solitary confinement would 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.400 be bad enough. You know, you're physically restrained, but at 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.920 least you'd know out there that there are other people 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.040 who know the same things you know, that speak the 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.839 same language you speak, that your family's still out there, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.320 that kind of thing. This is utterly different. And this man, 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.320 the last Tribesman he's called or the Man in the Hole, 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:43.320 is possibly not just the last of his kind. He 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.320 might be the only person on the entire planet in 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:52.360 the situation that he's in. Maybe isn't that bizarre to think? 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.240 Yeah, I mean, we did another show on are There 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.880 Undiscovered People? Quite a few years back, and I don't 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.000 know how he didn't get to this guy, but I 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.320 saw this article and it was striking, especially if you've 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.600 seen the couple of videos, and I think there are 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.000 only two pieces of video of this dude. One I 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.080 saw where they were sort of shooting, you know, they 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.839 were zoomed in on a hut, and that's you know, 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.039 where he lives. There's a series of thatched huts in 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:29.080 the Tenaru Indigenous Reserve in the Rondonia state of Brazil, YEP. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:34.000 About twenty thousand acres big area of the forest in jungle. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.320 So he lives in these thatched huts that are scattered 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.040 about in the middle of nowhere, and they were able 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:42.960 to get him on film kind of zoomed in between 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.599 the cracks and you see the guy kind of looking 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.279 a little bit, but you can't make out much. So 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.400 I saw that video and then I saw another one 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.120 where it was a pretty good shot of him from 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.760 a distance making good work trying to chop down a tree. 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:02.120 That was the most recent video, which well, let's just. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:03.000 Go ahead and get into this. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.320 He was found or discovered in I think in nineteen 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:13.800 ninety six when some loggers from the State of Rondonia. 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.120 Which from the impression I have, this is a very 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:22.000 rough and tumble state populated by loggers and cattle ranchers, 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.240 and there are very few laws from what I understand, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.680 and things are settled by the gun. Is the impression 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.240 that I have of Rondnia. It's right smack dab in 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:37.080 the middle of South America, and it's extraordinarily densely jungled 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:37.839 in the Amazon. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:38.359 Yeah, I mean that. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.599 One New York Times article, like the guy was talking 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.479 that they were talking to said, from a helicopter, you 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.600 look down there and you think there's just no one 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:47.000 down there. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:48.760 It's just all jungle, he said. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.120 But when you get down there, he said, there's a 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:55.120 lot of people and drug runners and bad men everywhere. 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:59.760 So this guy is definitely an anomaly because he is 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.440 not hanging out with anybody. 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.279 No. And the reason why they think he's alone, Chuck, 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.520 is because back in nineteen ninety five nineteen ninety six, 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:13.000 when the rumors of like a wild man in the 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:18.640 jungle started to circulate, they think that he had just 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.800 recently survived a slaughter that had killed off the rest 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:22.680 of his tribe. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.280 Which was only like supposedly five or six people by 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.680 that point, because they think the rest had been slaughtered 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.720 and't that that's a common thing We're going to come 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.600 up on in a couple of these is these ranchers 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.960 and loggers. They're like, we want to go clear this land, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.080 and there's a tribe, a native tribe, they're an indigenous tribe, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.960 so let's just slaughter them, get them out of the way. 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.320 It's really, really an awful, awful thing. 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.039 And it's been a very common thing apparently since the 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.120 seventies and eighties, when ranchers and loggers moved into Rondonia, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.440 just snatching up land. And this is again, this is 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:06.839 the Amazon. This is basically Christine Forest rainforest that people 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:13.120 who have never been contacted by anyone from the outside 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.040 world live still to this day. And this guy's one 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.640 of them. So at first they thought maybe Hughes just 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:24.160 a member of a tribe that we already know about, right, 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.600 And then over time as they started to study this guy, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.480 it became quite clear that now Hughes, he's a member 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.680 of a tribe that we didn't know about before, and 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.080 we're pretty sure he's the last of his kind. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:41.800 Yeah, So there's this organization called Funai fu NAI, the 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:47.280 National Indian Foundation of Brazil, and they have been tasked 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:52.120 with for the past twenty years monitoring this dude, and 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:57.040 before his companions were killed, monitoring his companions. And you 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.840 sent a nice follow up on FUNAI. They have a 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:04.040 departments and one is called the General Coordination Unit of 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:10.160 Uncontacted Indians the CGII, and that was established in nineteen 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.720 eighty seven and they're the only a department of government 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:18.120 in the world which protects indigenous peoples who don't have 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.679 contact with the outside world or nearby tribes. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.440 Yeah, because before in the nineteenth century and even through 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.480 a lot of the twentieth century, there was it was 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.679 just basically Christian missionaries who were making their way into 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.600 the Amazon to contact tribes and bring them Jesus basically, 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.160 and also healthcare and food and all that stuff tools 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.200 the implements of modern culture, but also to proselytize too, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:49.080 and there was a lot of it just wasn't very 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.600 well thought out. And as a result, even from these 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.839 these the best of intentions that a lot of these 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.720 missionaries had a lot of tribes died. So in nineteen 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.480 ten Brazil came up with their I think it was 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.920 like the Indian Protection Services was the name of the 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:10.200 department that they first came up with, and the Indian 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.400 Protection Service they took over from the missionaries, and it 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.200 was a step up in that sense because it was 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.560 more coordinated. There was thought to it, there was some 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:24.520 sort of study, but the point was to take uncontacted 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:30.360 Amazonian tribes and bring them into the modern world so 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.920 that they could assimilate with the modern world. The point 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:39.319 was to basically reduce cultural diversity in Brazil and that 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.720 kept going until the sixties when there was a huge 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.120 ExPASy about the Indian Protection Service that they had just 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.719 fallen down so terribly in their mission that there was 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:56.200 basically mass extermination, slavery, rape, everything, every horrible thing that 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.120 you can think of that could befall a human being 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.200 happened to these tribes under the watch of the Indian 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.520 Services Protection over sixty years. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:05.240 Yeah, So. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:12.920 The department in nineteen eighty seven, the CGII was founded 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.560 by a man named Sidney Posuelo. I guess how you 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.960 pronounced that. And this was a big sea change in policy, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.199 which was, like you were saying, the previous strategy established 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.160 contact to try and get them integrated at some point 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.480 to this new policy, which was don't even contact these 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:38.959 people unless they are under serious threat, because history has 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.679 shown all manner of bad things can happen when you 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:49.640 contact these people, one of which is certainly introducing them 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.080 to new diseases and things that will kill them that 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.480 they've never never seen or experienced. And this is you know, 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.680 there's a big debate still on, like what the best 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:01.640 policies are here. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:09.600 Yeah, So these two American anthropologists, white American anthropologists, men 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:14.160 who I guess, wrote an open letter in either Science 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:20.520 or Nature, I think Nature, basically saying Brazil and Peru 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:27.040 should reverse this long standing policy of not contacting Indians 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:34.600 in the Amazon and should actually plan peaceful, well organized 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.400 contact so that they can be better protected. It's these 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:43.800 anthropologists stants that if you don't protect them, they're going 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.520 to die one way or another. That there's no way 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.760 that they're going to remain isolated. On the long term. 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:55.400 Maybe you've got another generation possibly of some of these 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.360 tribes that could live like this, but beyond that, it's 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.400 just not going to happen. There's too many power, powerful 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.880 interests banging on the doors of their preserved areas. Who 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.720 are more than willing to hire people who will accept 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.480 money to go kill these people just to get this land. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.240 And by just leaving them alone, you're leaving them very vulnerable. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.600 Whereas if you plan out contact, then conceivably you can 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.280 show them that there are things like medical treatment, there 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.160 is better ways that you can protect them. You can 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.000 kind of give them contact, and that even more so 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:33.200 interviews with groups that have become have initiated contact or 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.800 have had contact made with them said we would have 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.400 made contact with you guys earlier, but we thought we 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.080 were going to be enslaved or murdered or something. We 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.439 had no idea that you wanted to actually help us. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.480 Had we known that, we would have contacted you guys 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.160 decades ago. So those two things put together, these American 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:55.520 anthropologists have said we endorse this, and fu NI and 0:12:55.600 --> 0:13:00.280 a lot of other groups, including the UN and human 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.560 rights group in the UK called Survivors International, have said, no, 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.400 that is totally disrespectful, that flies completely in the face 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:12.959 of agreed upon procedure and protocol. Just be quiet, you're 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.160 being neo colonialists. Yeah. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.240 I think it's interesting though, because what they're trying to 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.480 do is, like you said, have very highly controlled contact, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.160 and the assumption that they don't want to be contacted, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.880 at least through their eyes, appears to be false because, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.600 like you mentioned, they're afraid of being kidnapped or something 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.760 or overtaken. And if had they known, like, oh, you 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.240 just want to give us some nice tools and maybe 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.839 inoculate us, and we'd actually be. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.720 Down with that as long as you leave afterward. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.040 Right, And these two anthropologists said, like, you've got to 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.520 do this smartly, Like you basically have to go in 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:57.480 with cultural translators, usually tribes who have made contact with 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:02.360 outsiders before, already ablished contact that live in the same area, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:07.320 who might be able to translate between the outsiders and 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.480 the actual uncontacted tribes. And you need healthcare providers who 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.520 are going to stay there for at least a year, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.400 at least a year of sustained care or else. Yes, 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.800 they're going to die from these diseases you're going to 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.080 bring in inevitable. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:22.200 Yeah, I mean they're good. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.440 They give good examples too in that article about how 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:30.120 this is backfired with missionaries, like the your people, they 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.240 were there for six months and the missionary said, well, 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.440 let's go on vacation and then the Yora died a 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.360 few weeks later, and then in nineteen seventy five, missionaries 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:47.480 provided care to a community on Ake community they took 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.720 a vacation and then they died as well. So they're 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.480 saying like, you got to have a plan to go 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.240 in and stay there. You can't just go in, bring 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.560 them some food and machetes and acculate like spring break, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.000 and then then get out of there. But I get 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.880 the idea that this is still a pretty hot topic 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:06.720 of debate. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:12.160 Oh yeah, no, that those anthropologists, they set off a 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.760 huge debate, and I think it was sparked by the 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.960 video that was released by Survivor International of the man 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.400 and the Hole chopping down a tree. And the video 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.880 was taken in twenty eleven, but they only just released 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.080 it in July of twenty eighteen. And this is, yeah, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.360 this is very much still going on, this big debate 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.440 and it's a huge it's a huge issue and you 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.960 can kind of see both sides. Like I had just 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.720 read about Fooneye's counter to it that like, look, dude, 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.960 this is our thing. We got this. You just mind 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.440 your own business. We have our own policy, stay out right, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.520 stay out of this. Yeah, But then if you read 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.640 the anthropologists letters, you're like, actually, they have a couple 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.160 of good points here. So it's it's not a clear 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:01.840 cut a picture, sure, one way or the other. It's 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.840 definitely there's a lot of nuance to it on both sides. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.480 All Right, let's take a respite, let's take a furlough 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:10.080 or a vacation. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.000 Yeah, and we'll come back and talk a little bit 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:13.040 more about the man in the hole. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:33.440 All right. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.680 So the reason they call him the man of the 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.000 hole or the man in the hole is the odd 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.680 thing of inside these thatched huts, of which he has 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:48.040 several around this area. Inside the huts are these and 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:49.880 all over the place there are these holes with like 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.480 spikes for like trapping animals. But he has these six 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:59.200 foot deep holes inside of his own huts, and apparently 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.600 no other tribes around him have done this, and it's 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:06.280 very unusual thing. And the belief is that he is 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.600 it's for his own protection. I guess if he's being 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.440 fired upon or something by loggers, he can jump down 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:13.800 on one of these holes. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.920 Yeah, that's the impression I have too, which is extraordinarily sad. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:18.320 It is. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:24.440 So the reason why they think that that he has 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.679 these holes is because he's had terrible run ins. I 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.280 guess this seems to be evidence that he is the 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.600 survivor of a slaughter or a massacre, because this is 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.920 not a normal technique that they've seen with other tribes, 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:40.920 and they found it at every single one of the 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.600 huts that they've come upon of his. 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:43.400 Yeah. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:47.760 They do know though, from tailing him or mon tailing him, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.239 monitoring him for the past couple of decades though, that 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:55.600 he he hunts with a bone arrow. He farms probably 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.240 at night and stays out of the you know, as 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.720 much as he can. Stays inside during the day out 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.119 of fear, which is also awful. But he farms like 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.880 papaya and corn and other fruits and vegetables. He has 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.840 all these traps set everywhere. Like I mentioned, they have 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:16.959 found hand carved arrowheads, torches made from branches in Resin 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.200 And at one point they actually tried to make. 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.320 Contact, yes, several points. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.080 Well, at one point when they tried to make contact, though, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.879 he fired upon them with his bow and arrow and 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:29.800 actually hit someone. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.840 In the chest, one of the food iye agents. 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.280 Yeah, and they were like, all right, we're out of here. 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.160 Yeah. At that point they stopped trying to initiate contact 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.439 with this guy. And again, this is like peaceful contact 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.240 they're trying to initiate, not like hey man, get off 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.240 of this land. They're like saying, do you need anything? 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.440 Do you want some food? What do you want? And 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.600 the first few attempts to contact him resulted in him 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.959 just basically slipping into the shadows in the jungle and 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:03.440 just disappearing. Then it progressed into standoffs. Then it progressed 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.320 into a shooting, and so they stepped back. Survivor International 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.480 and FUNAI and some other groups stepped back and said, 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:16.080 this guy is escalating in hostilities. He's showing us he 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:20.560 doesn't want anything to do with us, like you. It 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.200 would be something if like he'd shot the first time 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.240 and then slipped away the second time and the hostilities 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.679 were decreasing, but instead it's going the opposite way. The 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.159 hostilities were increasing. So he's getting that he has the 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.360 opportunity to contact these people who are coming with their 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.760 hands up and like not trying to kill him, and 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.440 he's still saying back off. So finally the government said 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.040 we're just going to back off, and they backed off. 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:49.400 They FUNAI established his policy of not contacting this guy, 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.240 not even attempting to contact this guy, but instead monitoring him, 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:59.280 making sure that his preserve is protected, and then leaving 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.040 him things like the acts that he was seen using 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.080 in that twenty eleven video, or seeds for some of 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.200 the plants that he grows. 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.199 Yeah, which a lot of times he doesn't even accept 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.679 or take these gifts. Imagine he's not retrusting. And like 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:15.520 you said, as far as protecting the area, in two 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.960 thousand and seven, Funai and the government eventually increase the 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.119 area to thirty one square miles around where he was 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.520 is off limits to any trespassing or development, later expanded 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:28.960 to three thousand hectares. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.639 So I think they added another three thousand. 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.800 Hectares, okay to the already square mileage. 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:34.680 Uh huh. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.720 And this is really ticked off the ranchers and the 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.359 loggers because they're like, our business is being held back 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:42.400 by this one guy. 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:44.760 Yeah, and they want to kill. 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.040 Him, to kill him. As a matter of fact, when 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.600 the government announced that it was not only keeping up 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:56.480 the practice of preserving this guy's land thirty one square miles, 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.919 but adding an extra three thousand hectares, which brought the 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.879 total to forty two and a half square miles or 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.880 one hundred and ten square kilometers that this man has 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:11.320 to himself. The five ranches that surround this preserve hired 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.720 somebody to go try to kill him. Yeah, Fu and 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.960 I went and checked on him after a couple of 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.320 weeks after that announcement was made public, and they found 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:23.520 that their outpost was ransacked and that they had found 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.560 the shotgun shells spent shotgun shells in the fourth floor. 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.880 So there's clearly an attempt to made on the guy's life, 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:32.080 and for a couple of years they had no idea 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.840 if he'd survived until that video was made in twenty 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.160 eleven that showed this guy who is now fifty. They've 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.439 been tracking him since he was in his third fifties. 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.840 Now they chopping down a tree. Yeah, chopping down a 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:47.920 tree like it's nothing. So they knew that he was 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.919 alive and in good health as of twenty eleven, and 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:52.600 they're assuming that he's still alive. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:54.800 Man, how good would a movie be about this guy? 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:57.359 I know, just have a lot of it play out 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:58.199 in silence, you know. 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:00.919 Yeah, that would be amazing. 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:01.120 That would be cool. 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.159 I mean, it's it's crazy to see a video of 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.840 this guy from seven years ago. Like in the world 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.840 we live in, to think about there's still places on 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:14.120 earth where this guy it's almost like the Japanese straggler 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.120 who had no idea that the war had been over 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:21.520 for whatever thirty years living in the jungle. It's just 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.560 amazing to think about the fact that this is the 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.960 lone the lone guy out there by himself and what 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:28.480 his life must be like. 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:33.960 But not only that, it's like like when we did 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.360 the paramedics episode, I think I said something like, there's 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.959 there's no greater symbol of humanity than paramedics, you know, 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.840 I think this is another really great symbol of paramedics 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:49.240 in this guy. Well. No, the Funai Brazilian government's response 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.920 to this that this man has been part of a tribe. 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.919 He's the last of his tribe, and the Brazilian government 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.200 has said, this man deserves to live his life out 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.919 in peace in the way that he he wants to, 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.760 in his traditional way, to be left alone. And we're 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:06.919 going to designate one hundred and ten square kilometers that 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.000 belong to no one but this man. Yeah, despite the 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.680 fact that all around him is the outside world trying 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:15.840 to press in. We're going to stand in the way 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:17.800 of that so that this guy can live out his 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.800 natural life. That just gets me, you know, right in 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:21.560