Speaker 1: From the Chris Westling's podcast studio. It's around the NFL
Speaker 1: colon twenty one questions with Daniel Jeremiah. I asked them,
Speaker 1: the sound team and Justin, our producer, to find something
Speaker 1: that sounded like twenty one questions And obviously this is
Speaker 1: a dead ringer girl, what's up? DJ? Nothing makes me
Speaker 1: feel more important than not even having lights on. Man,
Speaker 1: here in the studio, it's like, you guys are lit
Speaker 1: up like Christmas trees over here, and I'm just saying
Speaker 1: in the coming out of the dark over here in
Speaker 1: my old black outfit. Did you see my pre production
Speaker 1: notes about how to light Daniel Jeremiah on our show?
Speaker 1: I noticed my chair was really low. The whole setup here,
Speaker 1: disturbing shadow on the on the right side of your face.
Speaker 1: I know, motivate a watch us on YouTube to see
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Speaker 1: because that's all Daniel listens to. Yeah, you had something
Speaker 1: you were tape dogging recently every year, and what did
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Speaker 1: a lot of jams back in the in that period
Speaker 1: of time. Who knew Aaron Neville on his game? And Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to ask you, like, um, you know
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're watching like game passing stuff, and it's
Speaker 1: like you're on your third game and it's like silent,
Speaker 1: you just sort of nod off. Do you rab just
Speaker 1: flat out fall asleep watching prospects and what does that
Speaker 1: say about them? So? Well, it happens good and bad.
Speaker 1: Like I was watching Dalton Kincaid, who's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite players out of Utah, and they're playing SC and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know exactly what happened in these
Speaker 1: games from the fall, so I'm just watching it and
Speaker 1: I'm watching all of his targets and so he had
Speaker 1: like eighteen catches in that game. So after about the
Speaker 1: fourteen catch, I was like, I must do it. I
Speaker 1: just like I must be hitting the rewind by how
Speaker 1: many catches does this guy have in this game? I
Speaker 1: literally thought I was totally just dozed off, not paying attention.
Speaker 1: I did not know what was going on. It happens
Speaker 1: those Mondays after the long Sunday and you're just trying
Speaker 1: just grinded through the game pass games. Sometimes it's like, wait,
Speaker 1: it's late in the third quarter. Now half a person,
Speaker 1: Oh okay, should I relind? Decisions decisions m dj ya
Speaker 1: thank you for the time. Because we know you're a
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Speaker 1: the chain. People are talking about you at all times.
Speaker 1: People are coming up to you asking for selfies. Just
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Speaker 1: single night. But I'm there with my son. Guy comes
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Speaker 1: He just listen to one of our episodes. It was
Speaker 1: just a lovely conversation. And as we're finishing up, he goes,
Speaker 1: I do have to tell you, I do really like
Speaker 1: ATN It's like we had to we didn't want to
Speaker 1: start our relationship out, you know, not on a solid,
Speaker 1: honest footing at better that would have been a real
Speaker 1: I think. I think the fact that he brought it
Speaker 1: up probably tells me that he did. But he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't go quite that did he indicate in the
Speaker 1: world of this show, which personal I'm just in it
Speaker 1: and maybe you're not telling us the whole story? All right,
Speaker 1: well that was a false winking get The rule is
Speaker 1: just play Kate Mark and then we could continue with
Speaker 1: the show. Um, all right, that's what we're gonna do. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: we have twenty one questions for you concerning the two
Speaker 1: thousand and twenty three NFL draft we're going to. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't even feel like my teeth are white, but
Speaker 1: I'm so dark over here that I feel like Ross
Speaker 1: from Friends right now. I mean, he's coming out of
Speaker 1: the justin. Can we get the lighting right on our guest?
Speaker 1: This is this is lovely. This is lovely. It's mood.
Speaker 1: It's a mood. What we got. We're gonna go through
Speaker 1: the draft. Twenty one questions if we run out of
Speaker 1: time because Jeremiah said, I have a heart out. That's
Speaker 1: what he said to me. It's a lie. That's a
Speaker 1: grabbed him by the collar and said hard out and
Speaker 1: I said, okay, okay, okay, um. We don't want to
Speaker 1: keep you for too long, sir, but we're gonna hit
Speaker 1: twenty one questions. Greg, you feel like this could be
Speaker 1: a challenge for us, Well, we'll try to go fast
Speaker 1: at the end if we have to. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if what if it goes the other way, what if
Speaker 1: we have twenty one questions done in about eight minutes. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen. That's not our
Speaker 1: We've taken five minutes to get to the first question.
Speaker 1: All right, So, by the way, do you like this
Speaker 1: draft class? Where do you rank this one, let's say
Speaker 1: in the last ten years? Is one of the questions?
Speaker 1: Do we get a ding free? That's a good one.
Speaker 1: That was more like setting the table. That's a perfect Sorry,
Speaker 1: there's a question. Okay, Well that's a great question. Dan
Speaker 1: starting us off here with a real humbdinger. The number
Speaker 1: one literally could have gone anywhere you wanted. That's where
Speaker 1: you went. Anyways, let's let's look at it from the
Speaker 1: standpoint that we've got quarterbacks. So if we've got quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: I always say that's good. It's good for us. So
Speaker 1: we've got talking points and it's fun to look at.
Speaker 1: I think we've got five starting quarterbacks in this draft class,
Speaker 1: hann and Hooker be in the fifth, you know, right
Speaker 1: behind the big four that we're going to talk a
Speaker 1: lot about, I'm sure. But outside of that, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's the best tight end group we've had
Speaker 1: in a decade. So if you look individually there that's outstanding.
Speaker 1: I really like the depth of the corners. I like
Speaker 1: the depth of the edge rushers, but and running backs
Speaker 1: as good as well. But you know, to me, overall,
Speaker 1: receiver groups not really what it's been in the last
Speaker 1: few years. Linebacker groups not great. It's it's middle of
Speaker 1: the road. But the kicker being we've got quarterbacks. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll start there then with the quarterbacks because from the
Speaker 1: limited amount of of tape Dog and I've been trying
Speaker 1: to do lately, I've almost been feeling like these guys
Speaker 1: at the top, and I'm talking Bryce Ung and CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud maybe as the big two, we're almost undersold to me.
Speaker 1: And what I heard as like what this class was
Speaker 1: going to be, and the reputation and I look at
Speaker 1: the two of them, and especially Stroud considering he's kind
Speaker 1: of been at that too or well below young level,
Speaker 1: and think, like, what does this guy not have? Because
Speaker 1: if you compare him to guys coming out like Herbert
Speaker 1: at the time, we didn't know what Herbert was going
Speaker 1: to be, or Twa at the time, or Jamis, who
Speaker 1: was like kind of a lock number one, or even
Speaker 1: if you put Stroud in last year's class, I feel
Speaker 1: like someone would have been trading up to one and
Speaker 1: everyone would have thought that's great, Like what am I missing?
Speaker 1: That what this guy doesn't have? Because it seems like
Speaker 1: he has basically everything. It's really good. I think both
Speaker 1: those guys, to me, there's a there's a gap between
Speaker 1: those two and then the next two. But Greg, I
Speaker 1: can't really argue with it. I think, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a bryce young believer. I think if again, it's easy
Speaker 1: to say, but if he was a little bit taller,
Speaker 1: we'd be talking about him like we were talking about
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow coming out. I think we'd be talking about
Speaker 1: him like we were talking about Trevor Lawrence coming out.
Speaker 1: I think he's that good. Obviously, you gotta get around
Speaker 1: the size but with Stroud specifically, you know there's some
Speaker 1: there's some games you watch where he doesn't play to
Speaker 1: that level. You can look at individual game and moments,
Speaker 1: the biggest being, you know, the last game that he
Speaker 1: played against Georgia, he shows you everything that you want
Speaker 1: to see, but even the Michigan game before that, because
Speaker 1: the other biggest game, Yes, but there are other games
Speaker 1: sprinkled in there, and when you're watching him and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: not not his best Northwestern, I throw out because the
Speaker 1: weather was terrible in that game with rain and wind um.
Speaker 1: But I think you know, some of the off schedule stuff,
Speaker 1: some of the pocket feel those things. I think he's
Speaker 1: good good. I don't think he's at it all date level.
Speaker 1: I would take him. I have a higher grade on
Speaker 1: him than I hadn't Kenny Pickett last year. So he
Speaker 1: would have been the top quarterback in last year's class.
Speaker 1: And you're probably right, going through the process last year,
Speaker 1: somebody would have traded up for him. They're gonna go
Speaker 1: one and two. I mean, we can say they're being disrespected,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how you're gonna be the first
Speaker 1: or second pick in the draft. I guess it's just
Speaker 1: more like watching him is exciting to me that it
Speaker 1: seems like he gets through progressions quickly. He's incredibly accurate,
Speaker 1: and his pocket movement I thought was great, like in
Speaker 1: terms of like making room and that to me seems
Speaker 1: like someone that Frank Reik would like at one And
Speaker 1: it's like what, I don't know, I guess yeah, he
Speaker 1: stands out to me is like the best thrower and
Speaker 1: that just watching him, he is so natural and it's
Speaker 1: just like, why would people not be totally fun if
Speaker 1: he's gonna go second they are falling in love with him.
Speaker 1: But I have a question for you about let's say
Speaker 1: you're Chris abandoned that whole thing. We were just going
Speaker 1: down a road and now you guys are so hung
Speaker 1: up on twenty one questions. I don't want this to
Speaker 1: be one of my officials. So we got to just
Speaker 1: change the subject. We had such a good thing going right, well,
Speaker 1: we've got to keep I like that he's coaching. The
Speaker 1: twenty one thing does put pressure on it. Let's say,
Speaker 1: sure is not a bad thing. Pressure. I want to say,
Speaker 1: you're Chris Ballard, okay, okay, and you have because I
Speaker 1: know Jim Er says sort of saying I'm not into
Speaker 1: the guaranteed money for Lamar Jackson for Intis. But let's
Speaker 1: say you get the green light to pursue Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: But you have you wouldn't know in your mind that
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson on a rookie contract would sit there at
Speaker 1: number four for the Cults, a different type of quarterback
Speaker 1: than we've seen for the Cults. And on li ever,
Speaker 1: what where would you go if you were running the Cults?
Speaker 1: What's your what would be your gut reaction on how
Speaker 1: to proceed? I would try and do the Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: thing if I was a cult I've been kind of
Speaker 1: on record with that. If you're looking at one of
Speaker 1: the two between Richardson and Levis or the fourth pick
Speaker 1: this year, and you're one next year for Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: and taking into account the money you'd have to pay him,
Speaker 1: I would still I know what I'm buying and selfishly
Speaker 1: and I'm saying I'm Chris Ballard. But now if I
Speaker 1: got out of Chris Ballard mode and went into fan
Speaker 1: of Colt's mode, and you can put Lamar Jackson back
Speaker 1: there when you have a big time running back like that,
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Taylor sitting next to you, and you've got
Speaker 1: a unblocked defensive end on a zone read and you've
Speaker 1: got Lamar Jackson or I've got I've got to deal
Speaker 1: with him? Are you kidding me? I think it makes
Speaker 1: sense for how they would want to play there. I
Speaker 1: think it would be a great fit there. So that's
Speaker 1: where that's where I would go. I just feel like Lamar.
Speaker 1: Whatever anybody's hiccups are or holdups are, with Lamar, I know,
Speaker 1: I know this guy's on the field. He's gonna play
Speaker 1: quality football. We're gonna win games. I know what I'm buying.
Speaker 1: It might be more expensive, but at least I know
Speaker 1: what I'm buying. What's the ceiling for Anthony Richardson who
Speaker 1: obviously knowing, but there's the player two from all the tape,
Speaker 1: I would say that he he has had some individual
Speaker 1: moments like Josh Allen, And then that's a comparison people
Speaker 1: like to make. Josh Allen had great games, had great
Speaker 1: stretches at Wyoming throughout his career, there was more body
Speaker 1: of work to go off of, and then with Richardson,
Speaker 1: you're kind of picking out a throw here or run there,
Speaker 1: like there's not you're it's you're you're you're buying on
Speaker 1: the future here and at something you really haven't seen consistently,
Speaker 1: but the payoffs huge. I think he would make sense
Speaker 1: for the same reasons I talked about Lamar being able
Speaker 1: to be in the backfield and run the ball like that.
Speaker 1: Richardson can give you that as you try and develop
Speaker 1: him as a passer. But again it's an unknown. I
Speaker 1: just feel like I know, I know what Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: looks like on it because this is still part of
Speaker 1: sort of marks quests. Yes, really does this strike Does
Speaker 1: he strike you as the biggest risk of the first
Speaker 1: round or the whole draft, like a guy that can
Speaker 1: sink you swim your draft class the way I look
Speaker 1: at if you look at all these wow, he did
Speaker 1: that costs you one? You thought you'd get an extra one.
Speaker 1: But then we're taking this still on the Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still feeling a little burnt because I
Speaker 1: wanted to hear come back. So with Richardson, I look,
Speaker 1: if you look at the quarterbacks, won't let it go
Speaker 1: if you brought it up. It's a good it's a
Speaker 1: good conversation with Richardson. The UH look at him as
Speaker 1: a lottery ticket. If you looked at all those guys
Speaker 1: costing the same amount of money a first round pick,
Speaker 1: and then one of the lottery tickets pays out significantly
Speaker 1: more than any other. That's Richardson. But you know it,
Speaker 1: it does come with with significant risk. Though he feels
Speaker 1: like the right coach for either him or Lamar by
Speaker 1: the way, I mean, Lamar would be even better, but
Speaker 1: Shane's I don't know if anyone stock has risen more
Speaker 1: than Shane Stike in this offseason. Just like hearing everything
Speaker 1: that everyone says about him, I'm like suddenly confident he'll
Speaker 1: know what to do if they get a mobile quarter Yeah.
Speaker 1: From being around him, Um, when he was with the Chargers,
Speaker 1: he's a he's he's a really good teacher, and I
Speaker 1: think sometimes we you know, talk about coaches and game
Speaker 1: playing all those kind of things, there's still an element
Speaker 1: of development with these guys. He's a really good teacher.
Speaker 1: So that's gonna that's gonna go well with whatever quarterback
Speaker 1: they end up with. Would you like to circle back
Speaker 1: to c J Strout? Wow, now now you're putting me
Speaker 1: what if I just give a comment, then it's not
Speaker 1: technically a question, all right. So with Stroud, the system,
Speaker 1: don't you Dared Dame, the system that we created. You
Speaker 1: can go back and watch, especially more last year. You
Speaker 1: see it a little bit this year as well, when
Speaker 1: he had to reset, when he got moved off of
Speaker 1: his spot, reset and throw the football, his accuracy went down.
Speaker 1: It was pretty consistent. That was kind of the issue
Speaker 1: with him. That's why when you look at, you know,
Speaker 1: the Georgia game, it carries so much weight because he
Speaker 1: was able to not only it's not like he's not
Speaker 1: athletic enough to get away from pressure, it was can
Speaker 1: you get away from pressure? Can you then throw on
Speaker 1: the move? Can you reset? Can you make things happen
Speaker 1: off off the script, off schedule? And he did that there,
Speaker 1: So that to me, that was the difference between him
Speaker 1: and Bryce Young. And the other thing is, right, I'm
Speaker 1: not arguing that he should be ahead of bright Throng.
Speaker 1: I can They're gonna be one, They're gonna be one
Speaker 1: and two. And then the other thing is it's kind
Speaker 1: of beauty in the eye the beholders. So with CJ. Strout,
Speaker 1: his feet are always in the ground, he's always on balance.
Speaker 1: The ball comes out from the same armslot in these
Speaker 1: consistently accurate in those instances. Bryce Young, I was talking
Speaker 1: to John Beck about it the other day, who's been
Speaker 1: training both these guys, and I said, with Bryce, it
Speaker 1: feels like you could do an exercise with him when
Speaker 1: he could drop and you could just say eleven o'clock,
Speaker 1: nine o'clock, like you could put his arm acher wherever
Speaker 1: you want and he can still get the ball exactly
Speaker 1: where it needs to be a little more next next level.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess it's maybe that you're right. It's
Speaker 1: the type of quarterbacks I tend to like too. It's
Speaker 1: like he kind not that CJ. Stroud and Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: are playing at all in the same NFL, but in
Speaker 1: the way that you're just like, that's going to be
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback you could tell an NC State. I
Speaker 1: almost feel like you could feel that about So. One
Speaker 1: of the interesting things though, in Beck had Herbert going
Speaker 1: through the process, and we've talked about this on here
Speaker 1: before about his development coming through through the draft process
Speaker 1: and then getting on the field, and he was like,
Speaker 1: people don't I think people don't understand Herbert's first year.
Speaker 1: His athleticism was what was making a lot of that
Speaker 1: excitement happen. It was his ability to extend plays, not
Speaker 1: even you know, not maybe on the right read, not
Speaker 1: making you know, the right decision, but was athletic enough
Speaker 1: to buy time absorbed by these move around make unbelievable plays.
Speaker 1: It's hard when you get labeled as a pure pocket
Speaker 1: passer now, you know, it's just you have to acquire
Speaker 1: the knowledge to be able to use that within a
Speaker 1: stationary game. You can't do that anymore. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be given the time to acquire that knowledge already. Gonna
Speaker 1: be kind of funny though, I mean, it's just funny
Speaker 1: to think about like six years ago and like that's
Speaker 1: someone wh would be criticized for being too much of
Speaker 1: a pocket passer. Yeah, no, it's but it's different, Like
Speaker 1: it's totally different. I mean if you look at oh,
Speaker 1: like here's a young quarterback. Oh he's not athletic enough,
Speaker 1: which is like he's plenty athletic. Yeah, they're gonna throw
Speaker 1: them all on the field right away, and you have
Speaker 1: to be able to use your legs to survive until
Speaker 1: you get the knowledge to be able to play purely
Speaker 1: from the park. You knowing so young and stroud do
Speaker 1: go one two in some order. When you saw that
Speaker 1: trade that the Panthers made, they give away their best
Speaker 1: wide receiver, multiple first round picks. In your mind, is
Speaker 1: just going to be worth it? Are these guys? Do
Speaker 1: they have the potential to be good enough to make
Speaker 1: up whatever you gave up because now you have a
Speaker 1: star at quarterback for a decade plus. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's always worth it if you get the quarterback. If
Speaker 1: you you know, as much as I love DJ Moore
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see what he does in Chicago,
Speaker 1: you're not going to give up too much if you
Speaker 1: get your quarterback for the next ten plus years, that's
Speaker 1: not There's no such thing as an overpay. And I
Speaker 1: like the fact they did it early because now they
Speaker 1: can they can go through the whole process, get the
Speaker 1: people involved they want to get involved, go do private
Speaker 1: pro days. It's a difference to trust me, if they
Speaker 1: called if they called Bryce Young right now while they
Speaker 1: hold the ninth pick and said hey, we want to
Speaker 1: fly out there and do a private workout, He's gonna
Speaker 1: tell him, no, we're not doing that. So now that
Speaker 1: they're all the way up there, they can do all
Speaker 1: their homework and all the top gas, right, I think
Speaker 1: so I think they do. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Bryce Young. We'll see. So
Speaker 1: the fourth quarterback, Will Levi us like you have him
Speaker 1: and I looked at your top fifty him as the
Speaker 1: twelfth best player right now but in your mock and
Speaker 1: I mean, like you can see how this would happen.
Speaker 1: He tumbles down the boards to number nineteen Tampa Bay,
Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks has a new mock out word. He
Speaker 1: falls out of the first round entirely. So this is
Speaker 1: the first the quarterback that clearly people are very split
Speaker 1: on and the variance is high. How what's the How
Speaker 1: is he the twelfth best player and he's gonna fall
Speaker 1: that far? I mean, it's quarterback need But you could
Speaker 1: just see everyone. I always assume everyone just gonna jump
Speaker 1: up for quarterbacks and they're not gonna let Will Levis
Speaker 1: slide that that much to not draft your twelveth best player. Thought,
Speaker 1: that's not a question. That's it's a very very recent
Speaker 1: art question. Is stark comment? That counts for two questions?
Speaker 1: That's the rules. Look, I think when it's all said
Speaker 1: and done and you play around with different scenarios, and
Speaker 1: Bucky did it in his latest one and I had
Speaker 1: him looking at it. To me, it's like, okay, mac
Speaker 1: Jones were talking about him being the third pick. He
Speaker 1: ends up being the fifteenth pick, justin fields we thought
Speaker 1: would go up their top and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Carolina passed on him, and you know, things happen and
Speaker 1: quarterbacks ended up dropping. So it's exploring different scenarios of
Speaker 1: what could happen. Look I do, and we've talked about
Speaker 1: this before. I do mock drafts off what I hear,
Speaker 1: not what I would do. Um. I do my top
Speaker 1: fifty off my eyes. I do my mock draft off
Speaker 1: my ears. And I think when it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: once we take this winding road, once we get to
Speaker 1: the draft, I think all four of these quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: going to go really high. Yeah, Like the Raiders just
Speaker 1: sit out there as a team like that. They're not
Speaker 1: going to just let a Levis fly by them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Everybody I talked to around the league pegs Levis with
Speaker 1: the Raiders, like that's that's a spot there. Maybe let's
Speaker 1: let's wrap the quarterback talk then to get to Hendon Hooker,
Speaker 1: Like what while we're here because you've been higher on
Speaker 1: him throughout the process, I feel like than the rest
Speaker 1: of the draft, you know, COGNISCENTI. Yeah, and now it
Speaker 1: feels like that's becoming the trenity thing to do. They're
Speaker 1: catching up to DJ. Would you like to stick it
Speaker 1: in anyone's eye in particular? No, this is this is
Speaker 1: This is the way it happens when you're with teams too,
Speaker 1: because you'll go in, um, you know, say, say you're
Speaker 1: an over the top scout, so you've you come in
Speaker 1: after the area scouts. So the area scout gives a
Speaker 1: low grade to Hendon hooker, and then you come in
Speaker 1: and you give him, you know, and let's just say,
Speaker 1: if you're doing working for a team that does rounds,
Speaker 1: you know, say they gave him a fourth round grade.
Speaker 1: You come in and say that, I think this guy's
Speaker 1: second round grade. I've put myself out there. I'm a
Speaker 1: Hennon hooking guy. And then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: go through the draft meetings and like the quarterback coach
Speaker 1: gives him like a mid first round grade and be like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand where you don't like this guy? You know,
Speaker 1: you don't even you're out a hand and Hooker. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, I thought I was really going here. Now
Speaker 1: you just leaped from Tannenbaumb just went big and he
Speaker 1: had like five I put him in the top five
Speaker 1: of his mock draft, you know, intermittent around the NFL
Speaker 1: listener Mike Tannenbaum and the two lane grad This would
Speaker 1: be one he might plug in on too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we love you, Mike. No, he's he's a nice man.
Speaker 1: I to me, I like Hannon Hooker a lot. I
Speaker 1: do think he's going to be a solid starter. I
Speaker 1: wish he was a little younger. I wish he was
Speaker 1: not coming off injury. That is what it is. But
Speaker 1: can we just take a quick that's like a big deal.
Speaker 1: He's four years older than these guys. I means deal,
Speaker 1: But it's not as I was just talking to somewhere
Speaker 1: that you know as well assistant GM this morning, and
Speaker 1: we were talking about this, he's not in a team
Speaker 1: that's going to take a quarterback, and he was like,
Speaker 1: the eight things over rated, that's not you can't look
Speaker 1: at it like that anymore. He's like, we're thinking about
Speaker 1: even take quarterbacks out of it. He's like, you tell
Speaker 1: me this guy where we go through the medical process,
Speaker 1: the doctor says, this is gonna be a one contract player.
Speaker 1: You're like, great, give me four great years. That's enough
Speaker 1: for all of us to get another extension here and
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out when we go along. Like that,
Speaker 1: thought process has changed a little bit. You have him
Speaker 1: to the Vikings. He would sit behind Cousins this year
Speaker 1: because he's coming nothing long term with Kurt right now,
Speaker 1: so he'd be twenty six. But their theory is well,
Speaker 1: he could played at the thirty six and that's a
Speaker 1: lot better than searching for eight other quarterbacks. Yes, even
Speaker 1: if you could give you seven eight years, that's tremendous,
Speaker 1: and five of those years are going to be cost controlled,
Speaker 1: cheap starters. Did you have an aside? By the way,
Speaker 1: I had an a side because I wanted to take
Speaker 1: a quick pause. I don't know if you guys question.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys do commercials, But I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about you guys, are you making us
Speaker 1: take a break. So that's all I'm saying is this.
Speaker 1: I love baseball. You love baseball, Greg, you love baseball?
Speaker 1: You do not, so you're gonna enjoy this, okay. But
Speaker 1: I wanted to do something I was trying to do
Speaker 1: my homework. Can prepare you know, like you guys, I
Speaker 1: try to prepare for this interview. And I said, let
Speaker 1: me go try and find a picture. If I can
Speaker 1: find a picture of baseball, picture of Dan and Gregg,
Speaker 1: maybe they've been to a game together or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I was able to locate a picture of these
Speaker 1: guys in the ball game, and we haven't. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: they are. Look look at markt They cute and let
Speaker 1: me just look wonderful horrible photo of the two of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Ricky, an elderly overweight man and a little boy
Speaker 1: next to him. Um, now, I know you've never you have.
Speaker 1: You work on TV a lot. We love what you
Speaker 1: do with the draft that you never had your own
Speaker 1: podcast before you do realize this is an audio medium.
Speaker 1: We're pulling people from into video. That's why they call
Speaker 1: that's awesome storm. Yeah, come on, guys, come on, hey
Speaker 1: along those lines that wholesome assassins um would you rather?
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna take a break, all right, graver,
Speaker 1: would you rav try to tea that up? The San
Speaker 1: Diego Padres win their first World Series in team history
Speaker 1: this October or hit a twenty nine of thirty two
Speaker 1: in your final molding the top twelve really including the
Speaker 1: top twelve Padres mock drafts is a crap shoot, like you,
Speaker 1: that's what your ears. You said thirty two would be
Speaker 1: talked about forever, right, I know, but anybody has done that.
Speaker 1: Anybody can put a list together and guess like anybody
Speaker 1: can do that. It's meaningful time. I can assure you
Speaker 1: that's true. I do on an it's but think about
Speaker 1: I wonder what your agent would say. What I mean,
Speaker 1: what a negotiation tool that can saying this from a
Speaker 1: relative position of security that he knows he's doing a
Speaker 1: good job. You know, how much do you make say
Speaker 1: he's confident in his work, he doesn't need the mock
Speaker 1: draft whereas whereas the Padres, you know, that would be
Speaker 1: a miracle. So I told them we haven't heard a
Speaker 1: lot from him lately, you know. I told I told
Speaker 1: Bucky if the Padres win the World Series, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Kevin harted like, I'll be at the
Speaker 1: game and I'm gonna try and get up on the podium.
Speaker 1: They're like, who are you? What are you doing? Get
Speaker 1: out of here? Get hearted. I mean, if they can
Speaker 1: do it to Kevin Hard, they could definitely do it.
Speaker 1: Oh ye's that's a fact. All Right. We'll take a
Speaker 1: break and we'll talk more with DJ. All Right, we're back.
Speaker 1: Justin Graver. Have you ever met Grave Digger, our producer.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of a lot of people I
Speaker 1: have behind the glass. People aren't allowed to make eye
Speaker 1: contact with you in the studio and around this building.
Speaker 1: That's in your rider. But that's Justin and he's a
Speaker 1: good person. Hold on, just real quick, let me get okay,
Speaker 1: I was gonna get in Dan's lights. You can see me. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you good to see it. How are you doing? Bud
Speaker 1: Grave Digger is a ut alum, a big time college guy.
Speaker 1: And I said, do you have any questions you want
Speaker 1: to ask? Oh? Great, Daniel Jeremiah, let's go. Yeah. First,
Speaker 1: i'd left before you do. How many questions are we
Speaker 1: in so far? What? I feel like we have more
Speaker 1: than we think we're lost at sea? Okay, we've done
Speaker 1: ten so far? Ten? Okay, so we got eleven left.
Speaker 1: Keep that in mind, everybody, and this is number eleven.
Speaker 1: We got what we got. J I want to say
Speaker 1: thank you first for hooking me up with the Titans
Speaker 1: Chargers tickets last fall. That was awesome. Um, I do
Speaker 1: have a question for you here. This is what we do.
Speaker 1: We're just a man of the people. Seen him many
Speaker 1: times since Oh he's already thanked me multiple times because
Speaker 1: he's a good human. Justin your arm, producer. We're not
Speaker 1: supposed to show that Daniel's a good guy, no, right,
Speaker 1: whenever possible, we sent him in a critical light. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna cut that out of the show. Go on. Sure,
Speaker 1: here's my question. How much do you a positional value
Speaker 1: versus talent? For example, a guy like b Jean Robinson
Speaker 1: from my alma mater, who's number three on your big board.
Speaker 1: But if he's such a knockout talent, why aren't teams
Speaker 1: more Okay with foregoing the positional value and just taking
Speaker 1: a guy that they know is going to be a
Speaker 1: plug and play playmaker. That's a good one. That's actually
Speaker 1: the best question I've got today, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Maybe he might have heard another one back there that
Speaker 1: was impressive. Well, they can't be too good. Then he
Speaker 1: doesn't get any more questions right off? To me? Running
Speaker 1: back things is standalone, like you can talk about other
Speaker 1: other positions as well. The running back thing is unique.
Speaker 1: I will say with b John Robinson, he's my third
Speaker 1: highest graded player. So when you watch the player and
Speaker 1: you put the grade on him of what he's going
Speaker 1: to be, I think he's going to be a multi
Speaker 1: year Pro Bowl player. I think he's going to be
Speaker 1: one of the top backs in this league, you know,
Speaker 1: during the next five six years. So with me, to me,
Speaker 1: there is definitely, you know, positional value. If you've got
Speaker 1: somebody that's close in terms of the grade that you
Speaker 1: gave him, you're obviously gonna lean with pass rushers. Basically
Speaker 1: every other position, you're gonna lean just because of the
Speaker 1: life span the longevity of that position. But I don't
Speaker 1: buy into this you can't take a running back in
Speaker 1: the first round. I just think when it comes to
Speaker 1: running backs, all their carries have to be meaningful. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna waste their carries if you if we all
Speaker 1: agree that they're going to pay play five six years
Speaker 1: of really their top shelf football, and then it falls
Speaker 1: off a cliff, which has been exactly what's happened. I
Speaker 1: don't want to spend three years giving you the football
Speaker 1: on a crappy team, and I'm wasting three years of
Speaker 1: your carries and that's why. And I know they will
Speaker 1: never do it because it's not their philosoph But I
Speaker 1: continue to make the case at the Philadelphia Eagles, where
Speaker 1: they're picking at ten, it's rare to have a team
Speaker 1: that's that good, that's picking in that spot. That's literally
Speaker 1: a super Bowl caliber team right now, every single one
Speaker 1: of Bijan Robinson's touches for the next five or six
Speaker 1: years are going to be for a playoff team. They're
Speaker 1: all gonna matter. And so if you look at him
Speaker 1: as a playmaker instead of just a running back. I mean,
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are not dumb. There's a reason
Speaker 1: they saw where their team was and Christian McCaffrey could
Speaker 1: come in there and do an unbelievable job and maybe
Speaker 1: get them over the hump. I think Bijean Robinson, you
Speaker 1: get that, he's cheaper, he's younger, and you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a five six year runway here with him. Don't you
Speaker 1: think your guy Howie could zig when everyone's not expecting
Speaker 1: him to zag or hoping verses? I guess that is
Speaker 1: a question. It is a question. Yeah, that is a question,
Speaker 1: and because if you look at the tenth content player contract,
Speaker 1: wasn't Garrett Wilson was tenth last year, right, I believe so. Yes,
Speaker 1: So that's four years, twenty million. It's not a crazy
Speaker 1: five million dollars a year for one of the best
Speaker 1: running backs in the league. And I think Howie would
Speaker 1: like it because everyone, you know, paints them as the
Speaker 1: analytics team, and they and they are certainly, but you know,
Speaker 1: part of analytics is like once everyone starts going in
Speaker 1: the same direction as you, then yah zag get to
Speaker 1: And also to your point, you know, there's self survival
Speaker 1: involved with these front offices, just like you were saying,
Speaker 1: they don't care so much about the second contract. Gave
Speaker 1: me the guy who's gonna make our team better for
Speaker 1: three or four years. We'll figure out everything else after. Right,
Speaker 1: Maybe there is a there will be a sea change
Speaker 1: in time. I don't know. Yeah, And I think that's
Speaker 1: totally you know, it's a different topic, but related. That's
Speaker 1: why I love comps and some people, there's lots of people,
Speaker 1: there's a weird section of the population who hates comparisons.
Speaker 1: And everybody you know, comparison is the thief of joy.
Speaker 1: And you hear all this crap, right, it's valuable because
Speaker 1: if I'm telling you this is edgri and James, if
Speaker 1: this guy reminds me of Edrin James when he was
Speaker 1: in the league, Like, holy crap, you take Edrin James
Speaker 1: and put him with Jalen Hurts, and now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you've got Davante Smith and we've got a
Speaker 1: j Brown. Like we're cooking with gas now. Man, I
Speaker 1: wonder if we get to a world where like, if
Speaker 1: you're a player that could play multiple positions, you're a
Speaker 1: top athlete in your town, why become a running back?
Speaker 1: If this is your career, your career, you are an
Speaker 1: isolate outside of kickers and punters, Like your career money
Speaker 1: making opportunities seems completely out in an island compared to
Speaker 1: where it was decades ago. And it's like, why do
Speaker 1: this with your career? And well, it's hard because kids
Speaker 1: like to touch the football, so you can say and
Speaker 1: you can preach to them about money. But when you're
Speaker 1: playing in the backyard and when you're playing for your
Speaker 1: junior high and you're playing for your high school, I
Speaker 1: get to play running back and I get to touch
Speaker 1: the ball every single play versus not knowing, you know,
Speaker 1: at Puxitani High how my quarterback can actually get me
Speaker 1: the football at wide receiver if I'm gonna play corner
Speaker 1: in the high schools in the beginning, that yeah, So
Speaker 1: that's kind of how that works. But I you know,
Speaker 1: I would always argue and lobby for high school receivers
Speaker 1: and it would see them and be like, just play corner.
Speaker 1: Just every year the receiver group in the draft board,
Speaker 1: we're having to lop off all these names and like
Speaker 1: put them on the sideboard on the freeging board. We
Speaker 1: have too many corners, were like, did anybody else play corner?
Speaker 1: Do we have any other corners? Like where we're too low?
Speaker 1: We got to put more corner up there. So that's
Speaker 1: why I've always said for young kids, if you want
Speaker 1: to get to the NFL and you've got a choice
Speaker 1: between those two positions, play corner, all right. If you
Speaker 1: have a pick in the middle of the first round
Speaker 1: and you're you need a weapon and you're trying to
Speaker 1: stack this tight end versus yea, the wide receiver class
Speaker 1: kind of agnostic. Let's say a team like the Patriots
Speaker 1: who could use both, and it's not like they couldn't
Speaker 1: use a tight end. I guess they have Henry Anne
Speaker 1: Gaziki whatever, though the good long term player, like just
Speaker 1: these players specifically out in his mind like it's a
Speaker 1: little scrimmage, a little scrimmage. They could just use a
Speaker 1: good player regardless, But uh, like, how do you stack
Speaker 1: the top of the tight end class versus the top
Speaker 1: of this wide receiver. I love Dalon Kincaid so and
Speaker 1: he's ahead of the rest for me. I just he's
Speaker 1: such a dynamic player, and I hate the fact that
Speaker 1: we didn't get see him healthy through the process. He
Speaker 1: had a little bit of back, so we didn't get
Speaker 1: seem at the combine. I think he said the other
Speaker 1: day that the Pro day wasn't able to do anything.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be able to run routes sometime in mid April.
Speaker 1: He'll show teams. I talked to teams about the physical
Speaker 1: and the medical. They said he passed. It wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: like this guy's gonna go on this long fall. But
Speaker 1: he's he is so gifted. And to me, when you're
Speaker 1: looking at tight ends, guys that can separate and then
Speaker 1: also guys that can make combat catches, usually you kind
Speaker 1: of get one or the other. You know, you get
Speaker 1: somebody that's under size, I can get away from people
Speaker 1: where you get a big, you know, physical slug that
Speaker 1: just catches balls and guys on his back all the time.
Speaker 1: He can do both. Um, he's a he is a
Speaker 1: really really good player. We have not talked about a
Speaker 1: defensive player yet. Second, I had one more follow up
Speaker 1: about tight end. Go for the ship. So um with
Speaker 1: the tight end draft. So you have two guys Kinkaiden
Speaker 1: may Or in your latest draft going in the first round. Um,
Speaker 1: why do you think highly drafted tight ends in the
Speaker 1: last decade or so? I not or have not met expectations.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's more about like the team they
Speaker 1: landed with in the scheme or is there something more
Speaker 1: to it from the going from one level to the next. Well,
Speaker 1: if you'd have told me, I mean, I thought Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts would emerge. Is the best tight end the NFL?
Speaker 1: Like right fast? And it hasn't all clicked. It hasn't
Speaker 1: all come together there obviously his first year I think
Speaker 1: you saw more last year was kind of frustrating watching it,
Speaker 1: but um, it's a good point. Teams have been able
Speaker 1: to find you know, big time tight ends in the
Speaker 1: middle rounds and some of these high picks. Hawkinson has been.
Speaker 1: He's been a perennial Pro Bowl or he might not be.
Speaker 1: It's weird to say he's a Pro Bowl, but he's
Speaker 1: not like an elite elite players like Andy Dalton got
Speaker 1: a Pro bowler. Two Yeah, but he's been. He's spend
Speaker 1: to a couple. He's been traded already for what they
Speaker 1: trade him for. A two. UM this last year good,
Speaker 1: really good, but not hasn't lived up to where he
Speaker 1: was picked. No offense did not um emerge is what
Speaker 1: you hoped he would be. I think there's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a trades position where you want guys that are
Speaker 1: big and athletic, but there's it's also a nuanced position.
Speaker 1: And I think in college it's just you don't have
Speaker 1: any of that, you know, so in terms of some
Speaker 1: of the polished route running stuff in college, you're catching
Speaker 1: a you're catching a team, you're catching a bubble. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just you're not as refined, so it's a little
Speaker 1: more difficult to evaluate. We uh, we have a team
Speaker 1: of atl Every year we pick a team to ride with,
Speaker 1: and it was the Lions this season, and I love
Speaker 1: what you have done in your mock because you have
Speaker 1: Kalijah Cancy. Yeah. Brad Holmes the GM, he had spent
Speaker 1: years with Aaron Donald. He knows what Aaron Donald can do.
Speaker 1: There's comps there obviously. I just think he's a perfect
Speaker 1: fit for the Lions. What is is can he be
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald? Is? Is? Or is that too rich of
Speaker 1: a comparison? Yeah, I mean it's there's just nobody like
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald in terms of the explosiveness and the strength
Speaker 1: that he has. You know, one thing, talking to D
Speaker 1: line coaches, they love guys that are a little bit
Speaker 1: short with long arms because you it's an unbelievable leverage advantage,
Speaker 1: you know when you can get some and I there
Speaker 1: you go, exactly what we measured those Yet, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's got the short part then, But he doesn't. He's
Speaker 1: he is so like explosive and dynamic and quick. He
Speaker 1: can get up the field, get on an edge and go.
Speaker 1: The difference is Aaron Donald could put his hands right
Speaker 1: in your chest plate and you know, just run you
Speaker 1: flash over. He's not that type of power. He doesn't
Speaker 1: possess that type of power. But it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: find guys that can penetrate in, guys that can be
Speaker 1: disruptors on the interior. I contend it's hard to find
Speaker 1: those guys in his to find edge rushers. So when
Speaker 1: you're having a debate in the room about an edge
Speaker 1: versus a defensive tackle, to me, I think Chris Jones,
Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams, Aaron Donald. Those guys can impact the game
Speaker 1: more from in their running past than you can coming off.
Speaker 1: I'm going to answer his question it is unfair to
Speaker 1: compare him to perhaps the greatest football player of all time. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean more than the splashes though, But it's the role.
Speaker 1: Like to me, you can say I'm not drafting the
Speaker 1: same player, but I'm drafting for that role. He's going
Speaker 1: to play the Aaron Donald role for his team, and
Speaker 1: he has some Aaron Donald traits. He doesn't have Aaron Donald's.
Speaker 1: You know, again can go down his the greatest defensive
Speaker 1: shop of all time. Another one from you, Grave Digger. Okay,
Speaker 1: what number we had too, Graver Digger. This is going
Speaker 1: to be sixteen, this is going to be seventeen. Say
Speaker 1: keep that question the final question in the press count.
Speaker 1: Right when you're writing your own feature about offensive lineman
Speaker 1: and you're burning questions during the media time. I'm good, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is following up on the tight end comments. I'm
Speaker 1: curious if you think, with it being such a strong
Speaker 1: tight end group all the way through, does that depth
Speaker 1: lead teams to waiting knowing that there isn't much drop
Speaker 1: off from you know, the say, the first guy to
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth guy, or does it push up
Speaker 1: those elite guys even higher because they're the best of
Speaker 1: a really good group. I've been leaning towards you know,
Speaker 1: we could see some of these tight ends drop just
Speaker 1: because there's so many of them. But the counter argument
Speaker 1: to that is, I don't think this receiver class is
Speaker 1: anywhere near what we've had the last few years. So
Speaker 1: and I think if you listen to some of the
Speaker 1: stuff coming out of the meetings, Brandon's daley and it
Speaker 1: wasn't the only one, but I just remember that one
Speaker 1: caught my ear where he said, you know, it's somebody
Speaker 1: asking about receiver to and he's like, we're looking for playmakers,
Speaker 1: like they trying to just categorize these guys as playmakers.
Speaker 1: So to Greg's point about how you would stack receivers,
Speaker 1: mixed in with tight ends, I think teams are going
Speaker 1: to say we need more firepower. So I think that
Speaker 1: I don't think that that drop is going to happen,
Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna say we need difference makers.
Speaker 1: Guys are gonna make plays. Whether you're a tight end,
Speaker 1: whether you receiver, we're gonna we're gonna take him. And
Speaker 1: I think the tight end group is just more impressive
Speaker 1: than the receiver group. How is uh Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigbau you know, maybe at the top of this class,
Speaker 1: but not everyone's favorite receiver class so overlooked in terms
Speaker 1: of like top end when he's on the same team
Speaker 1: as just explain it to me, like an I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1: He's on the same team as Chris Olave and Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson and he produces way more than most of them.
Speaker 1: And I see this in free agency too. I feel
Speaker 1: like everyone is always grading the previous year instead of
Speaker 1: just like grading the whole thing. If he had come
Speaker 1: out last year, wouldn't he have been a higher pick?
Speaker 1: And then he knocks out the three cone the shuttle
Speaker 1: like he's got the great timing, Like why why wouldn't
Speaker 1: he seem like a very safe receiver pick because it
Speaker 1: seems like he can't miss. If I'm a GM, I
Speaker 1: just want to keep having picks where they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that guy's smart. He keeps taking good players like and
Speaker 1: there's been a very few bad receiver picks lately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and especially coming out of Ohio State. Um, he's a slot,
Speaker 1: So that's that's it. So you've got Wilson and a
Speaker 1: Lava on each side working against the number one and
Speaker 1: number two corners and you're in there. That's what they
Speaker 1: said about Justin Jefferson too when he was coming out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Justin Jefferson's taller, longer, faster like all those things
Speaker 1: you know. Play he can jump above the rim like
Speaker 1: all those different areas. He's gonna be over him. And
Speaker 1: Justin was also coming off of a like a twenty
Speaker 1: touchdown season is last year. Smith and Jigby didn't play
Speaker 1: this last year. So those are some of the differences there.
Speaker 1: And to me, Jefferson that was the whole. Is he
Speaker 1: a slot like? No, No, he was. He had played outside,
Speaker 1: he had played inside, He could do everything. Every team
Speaker 1: that I talked to and when I evaluated Smith and
Speaker 1: jig But I think he's gonna be a catch guy
Speaker 1: in the slot. He's gonna be high volume player. And
Speaker 1: there's there's obviously teams that covet that and have that
Speaker 1: need and they're gonna love him. And there's other teams
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, we have somebody we can play in there.
Speaker 1: We want to get somebody that plays outside. One of
Speaker 1: the most surreal things that occurred last season was mister
Speaker 1: Irrelevant Yankee a team to the end see Title Game
Speaker 1: for you know, if you're not a quarterback needy team,
Speaker 1: but you want to go find that gem. It's probably
Speaker 1: popular now to mag you know, to focus on one
Speaker 1: person as like this year's brock Purty. Maybe slightly annoying
Speaker 1: to you if that's the case. But is there someone
Speaker 1: hanging out in the deep distance who someone might grab late,
Speaker 1: who has sneaky upside a little bit of a gem. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn around and ask you a question. Don't
Speaker 1: count this one. This one's free of charge. So when
Speaker 1: when Debo had all that success as a receiver, we
Speaker 1: did a thing and I came up with a really
Speaker 1: creative way of saying it, Finding Debo. Okay, So it
Speaker 1: was like finding Nebo, Find Debo about Okay, got it.
Speaker 1: We've still been searching for the next Deebo Samuel. We
Speaker 1: haven't found him. Like, there's some guys that are different.
Speaker 1: So I need a catchy pun for Purty, Like, how
Speaker 1: do we try and find the next Purdy? Anything we
Speaker 1: think of picks our films from the two thousand, So look,
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna try and find that. You know, it's darnier impossible.
Speaker 1: And I still contend, you know, with Brock Purty, if
Speaker 1: you take him and throw him in a different building
Speaker 1: in a different scenario, who knows what it looks like?
Speaker 1: He is the perfect match. There's the thing I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have read up on the S
Speaker 1: two test that you guys done at even work on this.
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a processing test that are now
Speaker 1: being given to especially quarterbacks. It's been in big in baseball.
Speaker 1: So it'll be like, you know, six shapes pop up
Speaker 1: and one's different. How quick can you identify the one
Speaker 1: that's different? Is how quick you can process information? If
Speaker 1: you think about for baseball, pitch recognition and all that stuff, Like,
Speaker 1: it's very valuable tool and it's made its way over
Speaker 1: the football the last five or six years, Josh Allen
Speaker 1: was off the charts on it. Mahomes tested off the
Speaker 1: charts on it. Last year in the entire quarterback class,
Speaker 1: brock Purty had the highest number, had the highest grade
Speaker 1: on that. This year it's Bryce Young So processing information, no,
Speaker 1: but that part it is. But so to me with
Speaker 1: brock Purty in his ability to process, paired with Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan's system with all the pieces in place, hey just
Speaker 1: being being being get it out, get it out, get
Speaker 1: it out, get it where he needs to go. He
Speaker 1: was perfect. He was perfect fit. If you're gonna go
Speaker 1: play action and ask him power comebacks down the field,
Speaker 1: and you know in a different offense he might not
Speaker 1: see the same results. That's all I'm getting at your
Speaker 1: final question. If if I think Mark is just in
Speaker 1: love with Brack Purty, that's it was a great story.
Speaker 1: It's a great story, wonderful. If your son had been
Speaker 1: born like ten years later, it'd be Brock, not cult McCoy, Cessler. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't name him cult McCoy, Cessler. No McCoy involved him.
Speaker 1: Rock Cessler is almost worth having another kid for. I
Speaker 1: did ask Matt Campbell at Iowa State, his coach I said,
Speaker 1: what did we miss on Purty coming out? Like, what
Speaker 1: was it? Any other cool phrase he's talked about? He
Speaker 1: used the phrase competitive excellence and then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? And then he just went through
Speaker 1: like the every single practice was like the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: This guy, like even when you know they lost some
Speaker 1: of the pieces around him, Um, you know, it was
Speaker 1: just every single day, like you don't know it unless
Speaker 1: you're around it and you can feel it and sense it.
Speaker 1: Like this guy's just wired like ultra ultra ultra competitive.
Speaker 1: Basively my six year old son in Little League as
Speaker 1: he practice, Yes, if it's literally Game seven in the
Speaker 1: World Series blocked in, he's obsessed competitive. Harry hans Er Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Greg, your final question, you have a decent
Speaker 1: gap here as for your top cornerback between Witherspoon and Gonzalez.
Speaker 1: And Gonzalez why, I think Witherspoon's just a better overall
Speaker 1: player and so he's not you know you're gonna see bigger,
Speaker 1: faster with Gonzalez. I just think Witherspoon in terms of
Speaker 1: the instincts. I fell in love with him from that standpoint.
Speaker 1: He sees everything so fast. He plays with no hesitation.
Speaker 1: I was around a Sante Samuel Senior when I was
Speaker 1: with the Eagles, and I've seen Junior, you know, with
Speaker 1: the chargers and guys that can play off and trust
Speaker 1: their eyes, they just go and make plays like this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be able to make a ton of plays.
Speaker 1: And he's incredibly feisty and tough. That the days of
Speaker 1: saying the old clip that everybody would pull out of
Speaker 1: Dion saying they pay me to cover, they don't pay
Speaker 1: me to tackle. Not in this NFL, not anymore, not
Speaker 1: with as much outside zone as you're seeing, not with
Speaker 1: how they're bringing corner into support. Because as an offensive
Speaker 1: play caller, I can find out who your worst tackler
Speaker 1: is and we're not gonna block him. We're gonna block
Speaker 1: everybody else, and we're gonna make him be the forced player.
Speaker 1: So to me, he combines that feistiness and playmaking and
Speaker 1: all kind of comes together in a real nice package.
Speaker 1: All right, Final question for Daniel Jeremy, NFL Network Zone
Speaker 1: Draft Guru, and we thank him for his time and
Speaker 1: he has a podcast. True you ever think about what
Speaker 1: we do and specifically here what you do, and every
Speaker 1: year it's a new draft class a new breakdown of
Speaker 1: prospects within the same parameters, and think, what is this for?
Speaker 1: Am I happy? Is this how I want to be remembered?
Speaker 1: Am I a hamster on a wheel? Sometimes you can't
Speaker 1: even see a pattern until it's right in front of
Speaker 1: you your thoughts. Good question, um to me. There are moments.
Speaker 1: There are moments when I'll tell you exactly when it is.
Speaker 1: I try and get all the guys watched in the
Speaker 1: run up to the combine so that I can talk
Speaker 1: about it when they get on the line to run.
Speaker 1: I want to be able to talk about them that
Speaker 1: I've actually seen them and not you know, read out
Speaker 1: of the research packet. So it's a lot of air time.
Speaker 1: It's about there's a lot of time, a lot of
Speaker 1: time to fill. So there's I go position by position
Speaker 1: when I'm watching them, and when you're watching interior offensive linemen,
Speaker 1: and it usually it'll take you a week to get
Speaker 1: them done. And it's like I've just dedicated a week
Speaker 1: of my life to watching mac interior offensive lineman. And
Speaker 1: then like I'll see a play that's really exciting. I'm like, beat, hey,
Speaker 1: beat check check this out. When you see this scoop
Speaker 1: block are real quick. This guy from northern Michigan's pretty good.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't care. But that's the good side,
Speaker 1: because if it was like if it was a point
Speaker 1: where like I'm in a Syntha is under you and
Speaker 1: you see the mac he trucks somebody, you're just like
Speaker 1: good block by that make notation like you haven't gotten
Speaker 1: mad yet. I just I wonder if that's something if
Speaker 1: you do this too fun, you know what I love.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things along those lines is I
Speaker 1: have an old phone which I don't use for anything
Speaker 1: except for texting a couple of guys in the league.
Speaker 1: So I'll be watching tape and that frees me up.
Speaker 1: That frees me up to use the other phone, because
Speaker 1: if you're if you're on the phone with somebody, you
Speaker 1: can't video. So if I'm sitting there watching tape and
Speaker 1: we'll just be sitting there on the phone talking to
Speaker 1: each other for a long time, and I'll go, oh,
Speaker 1: hold on this play, I'll use that other phone as
Speaker 1: a camera, take take a you know, video of the play.
Speaker 1: Text him and then he'll be text. We have these
Speaker 1: text changes going back and forth of these different plays.
Speaker 1: I like caring about the process. But yeah, we got
Speaker 1: to hear more. Now we're talking how the saucage gets made.
Speaker 1: Oh anything else, anything else we have all the time.
Speaker 1: I think we should set free. We've done enough. What
Speaker 1: do you guys? It's got many, um you know, kind
Speaker 1: of quarter zips that you could wear to play golf,
Speaker 1: but also to work out, but also to the office
Speaker 1: to go out and buy. So we go to wed
Speaker 1: some funerals. It's versatile. It's very versatile. You have stepped
Speaker 1: up your wardrobe, my friend, Yes, buttons, somebody got a
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Speaker 1: and everywhere else. No more plugs necessary, Daniel, Thank you, buddy,
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, it's good to see man. All right, we
Speaker 1: will be back later this week. Till then he had
Speaker 1: the call.