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Speaker 1: From the Chris Westling's podcast studio. It's around the NFL

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Speaker 1: colon twenty one questions with Daniel Jeremiah. I asked them,

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Speaker 1: the sound team and Justin, our producer, to find something

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Speaker 1: that sounded like twenty one questions And obviously this is

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Speaker 1: a dead ringer girl, what's up? DJ? Nothing makes me

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Speaker 1: feel more important than not even having lights on. Man,

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Speaker 1: here in the studio, it's like, you guys are lit

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Speaker 1: up like Christmas trees over here, and I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: in the coming out of the dark over here in

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Speaker 1: my old black outfit. Did you see my pre production

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Speaker 1: notes about how to light Daniel Jeremiah on our show?

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Speaker 1: I noticed my chair was really low. The whole setup here,

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Speaker 1: disturbing shadow on the on the right side of your face.

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Speaker 1: I know, motivate a watch us on YouTube to see

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Speaker 1: how much better looking we are there. I thought you

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Speaker 1: were going for like a early nineties R and B vibe,

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Speaker 1: because that's all Daniel listens to. Yeah, you had something

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Speaker 1: you were tape dogging recently every year, and what did

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Speaker 1: you have playing on the spot? Well, I went to

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Speaker 1: h rand, this is not this is out of my

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Speaker 1: wheelhouse a little bit, but I landed on eighties and

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Speaker 1: nineties duets, cop duets duets. By the way, Linda Ronstad

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Speaker 1: a lot of jams back in the in that period

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Speaker 1: of time. Who knew Aaron Neville on his game? And Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've always wanted to ask you, like, um, you know

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Speaker 1: sometimes when you're watching like game passing stuff, and it's

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Speaker 1: you just sort of nod off. Do you rab just

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Speaker 1: flat out fall asleep watching prospects and what does that

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Speaker 1: say about them? So? Well, it happens good and bad.

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Speaker 1: Like I was watching Dalton Kincaid, who's one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite players out of Utah, and they're playing SC and

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know exactly what happened in these

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Speaker 1: games from the fall, so I'm just watching it and

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Speaker 1: I'm watching all of his targets and so he had

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Speaker 1: like eighteen catches in that game. So after about the

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Speaker 1: fourteen catch, I was like, I must do it. I

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Speaker 1: just like I must be hitting the rewind by how

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Speaker 1: many catches does this guy have in this game? I

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Speaker 1: literally thought I was totally just dozed off, not paying attention.

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Speaker 1: I did not know what was going on. It happens

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Speaker 1: those Mondays after the long Sunday and you're just trying

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Speaker 1: just grinded through the game pass games. Sometimes it's like, wait,

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Speaker 1: it's late in the third quarter. Now half a person,

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, should I relind? Decisions decisions m dj ya

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Speaker 1: thank you for the time. Because we know you're a

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Speaker 1: busy man. You're a popular man. Your metrics are off

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Speaker 1: the chain. People are talking about you at all times.

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Speaker 1: People are coming up to you asking for selfies. Just

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Speaker 1: so happened recently someone had approached you, Um, do you

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Speaker 1: want to share that. I'll just give me the cliff notes.

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Speaker 1: I was it a Chick fil A, which I'm often at.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this place makes so much money off

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Speaker 1: of me on events because whatever our per DM is,

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Speaker 1: single night. But I'm there with my son. Guy comes

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Speaker 1: up to me. Couldn't have been nicer, shows me his phone.

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Speaker 1: He just listen to one of our episodes. It was

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Speaker 1: just a lovely conversation. And as we're finishing up, he goes,

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Speaker 1: I do have to tell you, I do really like

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Speaker 1: ATN It's like we had to we didn't want to

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Speaker 1: start our relationship out, you know, not on a solid,

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Speaker 1: honest footing at better that would have been a real

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Speaker 1: I think. I think the fact that he brought it

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Speaker 1: up probably tells me that he did. But he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He didn't go quite that did he indicate in the

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Speaker 1: world of this show, which personal I'm just in it

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Speaker 1: and maybe you're not telling us the whole story? All right,

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Speaker 1: well that was a false winking get The rule is

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Speaker 1: just play Kate Mark and then we could continue with

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Speaker 1: the show. Um, all right, that's what we're gonna do. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: we have twenty one questions for you concerning the two

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Speaker 1: thousand and twenty three NFL draft we're going to. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't even feel like my teeth are white, but

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Speaker 1: I'm so dark over here that I feel like Ross

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Speaker 1: from Friends right now. I mean, he's coming out of

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Speaker 1: the justin. Can we get the lighting right on our guest?

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Speaker 1: This is this is lovely. This is lovely. It's mood.

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Speaker 1: It's a mood. What we got. We're gonna go through

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Speaker 1: the draft. Twenty one questions if we run out of

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Speaker 1: time because Jeremiah said, I have a heart out. That's

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Speaker 1: what he said to me. It's a lie. That's a

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Speaker 1: I said, okay, okay, okay, um. We don't want to

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Speaker 1: twenty one questions. Greg, you feel like this could be

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Speaker 1: at the end if we have to. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen. That's not our

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Speaker 1: We've taken five minutes to get to the first question.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, by the way, do you like this

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Speaker 1: draft class? Where do you rank this one, let's say

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Speaker 1: in the last ten years? Is one of the questions?

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Speaker 1: Do we get a ding free? That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: That was more like setting the table. That's a perfect Sorry,

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Speaker 1: there's a question. Okay, Well that's a great question. Dan

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Speaker 1: starting us off here with a real humbdinger. The number

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Speaker 1: one literally could have gone anywhere you wanted. That's where

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Speaker 1: standpoint that we've got quarterbacks. So if we've got quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: I always say that's good. It's good for us. So

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Speaker 1: we've got talking points and it's fun to look at.

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Speaker 1: I think we've got five starting quarterbacks in this draft class,

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Speaker 1: hann and Hooker be in the fifth, you know, right

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Speaker 1: lot about, I'm sure. But outside of that, it's a

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Speaker 1: the depth of the edge rushers, but and running backs

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Speaker 1: And what I heard as like what this class was

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Speaker 1: if you put Stroud in last year's class, I feel

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Speaker 1: everyone would have thought that's great, Like what am I missing?

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Speaker 1: That what this guy doesn't have? Because it seems like

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Speaker 1: he has basically everything. It's really good. I think both

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Speaker 1: I think he's that good. Obviously, you gotta get around

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Speaker 1: the size but with Stroud specifically, you know there's some

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Speaker 1: there's some games you watch where he doesn't play to

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Speaker 1: the other biggest game, Yes, but there are other games

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Speaker 1: But I think you know, some of the off schedule stuff,

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Speaker 1: And you're probably right, going through the process last year,

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Speaker 1: up on twenty one questions. I don't want this to

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Speaker 1: twenty one thing does put pressure on it. Let's say,

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Speaker 1: sure is not a bad thing. Pressure. I want to say,

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Speaker 1: you're Chris Ballard, okay, okay, and you have because I

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Speaker 1: the guaranteed money for Lamar Jackson for Intis. But let's

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Speaker 1: say you get the green light to pursue Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: But you have you wouldn't know in your mind that

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson on a rookie contract would sit there at

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Speaker 1: number four for the Cults, a different type of quarterback

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Speaker 1: than we've seen for the Cults. And on li ever,

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Speaker 1: what where would you go if you were running the Cults?

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Speaker 1: What's your what would be your gut reaction on how

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Speaker 1: to proceed? I would try and do the Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: on record with that. If you're looking at one of

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Speaker 1: and taking into account the money you'd have to pay him,

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Speaker 1: I would still I know what I'm buying and selfishly

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Speaker 1: and I'm saying I'm Chris Ballard. But now if I

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Speaker 1: of Colt's mode, and you can put Lamar Jackson back

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Speaker 1: there when you have a big time running back like that,

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Speaker 1: with him? Are you kidding me? I think it makes

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Speaker 1: He's four years older than these guys. I means deal,

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Speaker 1: But it's not as I was just talking to somewhere

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Speaker 1: that you know as well assistant GM this morning, and

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Speaker 1: we were talking about this, he's not in a team

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Speaker 1: that's going to take a quarterback, and he was like,

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Speaker 1: the eight things over rated, that's not you can't look

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Speaker 1: at it like that anymore. He's like, we're thinking about

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Speaker 1: even take quarterbacks out of it. He's like, you tell

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Speaker 1: me this guy where we go through the medical process,

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Speaker 1: the doctor says, this is gonna be a one contract player.

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Speaker 1: You're like, great, give me four great years. That's enough

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Speaker 1: for all of us to get another extension here and

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Speaker 1: we'll figure it out when we go along. Like that,

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Speaker 1: thought process has changed a little bit. You have him

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Speaker 1: to the Vikings. He would sit behind Cousins this year

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Speaker 1: because he's coming nothing long term with Kurt right now,

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Speaker 1: so he'd be twenty six. But their theory is well,

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Speaker 1: he could played at the thirty six and that's a

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Speaker 1: lot better than searching for eight other quarterbacks. Yes, even

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Speaker 1: if you could give you seven eight years, that's tremendous,

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Speaker 1: and five of those years are going to be cost controlled,

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Speaker 1: cheap starters. Did you have an aside? By the way,

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Speaker 1: I had an a side because I wanted to take

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Speaker 1: a quick pause. I don't know if you guys question.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys do commercials, But I

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Speaker 1: was just thinking about you guys, are you making us

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Speaker 1: take a break. So that's all I'm saying is this.

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Speaker 1: I love baseball. You love baseball, Greg, you love baseball?

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Speaker 1: You do not, so you're gonna enjoy this, okay. But

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do something I was trying to do

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Speaker 1: my homework. Can prepare you know, like you guys, I

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Speaker 1: try to prepare for this interview. And I said, let

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Speaker 1: me go try and find a picture. If I can

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Speaker 1: find a picture of baseball, picture of Dan and Gregg,

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Speaker 1: maybe they've been to a game together or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I was able to locate a picture of these

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Speaker 1: guys in the ball game, and we haven't. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: they are. Look look at markt They cute and let

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Speaker 1: me just look wonderful horrible photo of the two of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's Ricky, an elderly overweight man and a little boy

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Speaker 1: next to him. Um, now, I know you've never you have.

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Speaker 1: You work on TV a lot. We love what you

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Speaker 1: do with the draft that you never had your own

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Speaker 1: podcast before you do realize this is an audio medium.

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Speaker 1: We're pulling people from into video. That's why they call

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Speaker 1: that's awesome storm. Yeah, come on, guys, come on, hey

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Speaker 1: along those lines that wholesome assassins um would you rather?

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Speaker 1: And then we're gonna take a break, all right, graver,

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Speaker 1: would you rav try to tea that up? The San

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Speaker 1: Diego Padres win their first World Series in team history

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Speaker 1: this October or hit a twenty nine of thirty two

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Speaker 1: in your final molding the top twelve really including the

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Speaker 1: top twelve Padres mock drafts is a crap shoot, like you,

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Speaker 1: that's what your ears. You said thirty two would be

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Speaker 1: talked about forever, right, I know, but anybody has done that.

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Speaker 1: Anybody can put a list together and guess like anybody

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Speaker 1: can do that. It's meaningful time. I can assure you

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Speaker 1: that's true. I do on an it's but think about

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Speaker 1: I wonder what your agent would say. What I mean,

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Speaker 1: what a negotiation tool that can saying this from a

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Speaker 1: relative position of security that he knows he's doing a

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Speaker 1: good job. You know, how much do you make say

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Speaker 1: he's confident in his work, he doesn't need the mock

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Speaker 1: draft whereas whereas the Padres, you know, that would be

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Speaker 1: a miracle. So I told them we haven't heard a

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Speaker 1: lot from him lately, you know. I told I told

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Speaker 1: Bucky if the Padres win the World Series, I think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Kevin harted like, I'll be at the

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Speaker 1: game and I'm gonna try and get up on the podium.

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Speaker 1: They're like, who are you? What are you doing? Get

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Speaker 1: out of here? Get hearted. I mean, if they can

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Speaker 1: do it to Kevin Hard, they could definitely do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh ye's that's a fact. All Right. We'll take a

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Speaker 1: break and we'll talk more with DJ. All Right, we're back.

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Speaker 1: Justin Graver. Have you ever met Grave Digger, our producer.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of a lot of people I

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Speaker 1: have behind the glass. People aren't allowed to make eye

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Speaker 1: contact with you in the studio and around this building.

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Speaker 1: That's in your rider. But that's Justin and he's a

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Speaker 1: good person. Hold on, just real quick, let me get okay,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna get in Dan's lights. You can see me. Hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: you good to see it. How are you doing? Bud

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Speaker 1: Grave Digger is a ut alum, a big time college guy.

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Speaker 1: And I said, do you have any questions you want

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Speaker 1: to ask? Oh? Great, Daniel Jeremiah, let's go. Yeah. First,

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Speaker 1: i'd left before you do. How many questions are we

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Speaker 1: in so far? What? I feel like we have more

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Speaker 1: than we think we're lost at sea? Okay, we've done

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Speaker 1: ten so far? Ten? Okay, so we got eleven left.

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Speaker 1: Keep that in mind, everybody, and this is number eleven.

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Speaker 1: We got what we got. J I want to say

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Speaker 1: thank you first for hooking me up with the Titans

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Speaker 1: Chargers tickets last fall. That was awesome. Um, I do

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Speaker 1: have a question for you here. This is what we do.

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Speaker 1: We're just a man of the people. Seen him many

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Speaker 1: times since Oh he's already thanked me multiple times because

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Speaker 1: he's a good human. Justin your arm, producer. We're not

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Speaker 1: supposed to show that Daniel's a good guy, no, right,

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Speaker 1: whenever possible, we sent him in a critical light. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna cut that out of the show. Go on. Sure,

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Speaker 1: here's my question. How much do you a positional value

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Speaker 1: versus talent? For example, a guy like b Jean Robinson

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Speaker 1: from my alma mater, who's number three on your big board.

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Speaker 1: But if he's such a knockout talent, why aren't teams

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Speaker 1: more Okay with foregoing the positional value and just taking

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Speaker 1: a guy that they know is going to be a

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Speaker 1: plug and play playmaker. That's a good one. That's actually

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Speaker 1: the best question I've got today, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he might have heard another one back there that

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Speaker 1: was impressive. Well, they can't be too good. Then he

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Speaker 1: doesn't get any more questions right off? To me? Running

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Speaker 1: back things is standalone, like you can talk about other

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Speaker 1: other positions as well. The running back thing is unique.

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Speaker 1: I will say with b John Robinson, he's my third

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Speaker 1: highest graded player. So when you watch the player and

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Speaker 1: you put the grade on him of what he's going

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Speaker 1: to be, I think he's going to be a multi

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Speaker 1: year Pro Bowl player. I think he's going to be

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Speaker 1: one of the top backs in this league, you know,

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Speaker 1: during the next five six years. So with me, to me,

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Speaker 1: there is definitely, you know, positional value. If you've got

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Speaker 1: somebody that's close in terms of the grade that you

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Speaker 1: gave him, you're obviously gonna lean with pass rushers. Basically

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Speaker 1: every other position, you're gonna lean just because of the

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Speaker 1: life span the longevity of that position. But I don't

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Speaker 1: buy into this you can't take a running back in

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Speaker 1: the first round. I just think when it comes to

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Speaker 1: running backs, all their carries have to be meaningful. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna waste their carries if you if we all

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Speaker 1: agree that they're going to pay play five six years

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Speaker 1: of really their top shelf football, and then it falls

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Speaker 1: off a cliff, which has been exactly what's happened. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to spend three years giving you the football

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Speaker 1: on a crappy team, and I'm wasting three years of

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Speaker 1: your carries and that's why. And I know they will

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Speaker 1: never do it because it's not their philosoph But I

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Speaker 1: continue to make the case at the Philadelphia Eagles, where

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Speaker 1: they're picking at ten, it's rare to have a team

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Speaker 1: that's that good, that's picking in that spot. That's literally

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl caliber team right now, every single one

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Speaker 1: of Bijan Robinson's touches for the next five or six

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Speaker 1: years are going to be for a playoff team. They're

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Speaker 1: all gonna matter. And so if you look at him

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Speaker 1: as a playmaker instead of just a running back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are not dumb. There's a reason

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Speaker 1: they saw where their team was and Christian McCaffrey could

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Speaker 1: come in there and do an unbelievable job and maybe

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Speaker 1: get them over the hump. I think Bijean Robinson, you

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Speaker 1: get that, he's cheaper, he's younger, and you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a five six year runway here with him. Don't you

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Speaker 1: think your guy Howie could zig when everyone's not expecting

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Speaker 1: him to zag or hoping verses? I guess that is

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Speaker 1: a question. It is a question. Yeah, that is a question,

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Speaker 1: and because if you look at the tenth content player contract,

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Speaker 1: wasn't Garrett Wilson was tenth last year, right, I believe so. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So that's four years, twenty million. It's not a crazy

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Speaker 1: five million dollars a year for one of the best

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Speaker 1: running backs in the league. And I think Howie would

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Speaker 1: like it because everyone, you know, paints them as the

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Speaker 1: analytics team, and they and they are certainly, but you know,

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Speaker 1: part of analytics is like once everyone starts going in

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Speaker 1: the same direction as you, then yah zag get to

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Speaker 1: And also to your point, you know, there's self survival

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Speaker 1: involved with these front offices, just like you were saying,

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Speaker 1: they don't care so much about the second contract. Gave

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Speaker 1: me the guy who's gonna make our team better for

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Speaker 1: three or four years. We'll figure out everything else after. Right,

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Speaker 1: Maybe there is a there will be a sea change

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Speaker 1: in time. I don't know. Yeah, And I think that's

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Speaker 1: totally you know, it's a different topic, but related. That's

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Speaker 1: why I love comps and some people, there's lots of people,

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Speaker 1: there's a weird section of the population who hates comparisons.

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Speaker 1: And everybody you know, comparison is the thief of joy.

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Speaker 1: And you hear all this crap, right, it's valuable because

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Speaker 1: if I'm telling you this is edgri and James, if

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Speaker 1: this guy reminds me of Edrin James when he was

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Speaker 1: in the league, Like, holy crap, you take Edrin James

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Speaker 1: and put him with Jalen Hurts, and now all of

603
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Speaker 1: a sudden, you've got Davante Smith and we've got a

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Speaker 1: j Brown. Like we're cooking with gas now. Man, I

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Speaker 1: wonder if we get to a world where like, if

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Speaker 1: you're a player that could play multiple positions, you're a

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Speaker 1: top athlete in your town, why become a running back?

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Speaker 1: If this is your career, your career, you are an

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Speaker 1: isolate outside of kickers and punters, Like your career money

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Speaker 1: making opportunities seems completely out in an island compared to

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Speaker 1: where it was decades ago. And it's like, why do

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Speaker 1: this with your career? And well, it's hard because kids

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Speaker 1: like to touch the football, so you can say and

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Speaker 1: you can preach to them about money. But when you're

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Speaker 1: playing in the backyard and when you're playing for your

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Speaker 1: junior high and you're playing for your high school, I

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Speaker 1: get to play running back and I get to touch

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Speaker 1: the ball every single play versus not knowing, you know,

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Speaker 1: at Puxitani High how my quarterback can actually get me

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Speaker 1: the football at wide receiver if I'm gonna play corner

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Speaker 1: in the high schools in the beginning, that yeah, So

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Speaker 1: that's kind of how that works. But I you know,

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Speaker 1: I would always argue and lobby for high school receivers

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Speaker 1: and it would see them and be like, just play corner.

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Speaker 1: Just every year the receiver group in the draft board,

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Speaker 1: we're having to lop off all these names and like

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Speaker 1: put them on the sideboard on the freeging board. We

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Speaker 1: have too many corners, were like, did anybody else play corner?

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Speaker 1: Do we have any other corners? Like where we're too low?

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Speaker 1: We got to put more corner up there. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I've always said for young kids, if you want

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Speaker 1: to get to the NFL and you've got a choice

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Speaker 1: between those two positions, play corner, all right. If you

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Speaker 1: have a pick in the middle of the first round

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Speaker 1: and you're you need a weapon and you're trying to

636
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: stack this tight end versus yea, the wide receiver class

637
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: kind of agnostic. Let's say a team like the Patriots

638
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: who could use both, and it's not like they couldn't

639
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: use a tight end. I guess they have Henry Anne

640
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: Gaziki whatever, though the good long term player, like just

641
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: these players specifically out in his mind like it's a

642
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: little scrimmage, a little scrimmage. They could just use a

643
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: good player regardless, But uh, like, how do you stack

644
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: the top of the tight end class versus the top

645
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: of this wide receiver. I love Dalon Kincaid so and

646
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: he's ahead of the rest for me. I just he's

647
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: such a dynamic player, and I hate the fact that

648
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: we didn't get see him healthy through the process. He

649
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: had a little bit of back, so we didn't get

650
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: seem at the combine. I think he said the other

651
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: day that the Pro day wasn't able to do anything.

652
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna be able to run routes sometime in mid April.

653
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: He'll show teams. I talked to teams about the physical

654
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: and the medical. They said he passed. It wasn't you know,

655
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: like this guy's gonna go on this long fall. But

656
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: he's he is so gifted. And to me, when you're

657
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: looking at tight ends, guys that can separate and then

658
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: also guys that can make combat catches, usually you kind

659
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: of get one or the other. You know, you get

660
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: somebody that's under size, I can get away from people

661
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: where you get a big, you know, physical slug that

662
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: just catches balls and guys on his back all the time.

663
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: He can do both. Um, he's a he is a

664
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: really really good player. We have not talked about a

665
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: defensive player yet. Second, I had one more follow up

666
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: about tight end. Go for the ship. So um with

667
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: the tight end draft. So you have two guys Kinkaiden

668
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: may Or in your latest draft going in the first round. Um,

669
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: why do you think highly drafted tight ends in the

670
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: last decade or so? I not or have not met expectations.

671
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Do you think it's more about like the team they

672
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: landed with in the scheme or is there something more

673
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: to it from the going from one level to the next. Well,

674
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: if you'd have told me, I mean, I thought Kyle

675
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: Pitts would emerge. Is the best tight end the NFL?

676
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: Like right fast? And it hasn't all clicked. It hasn't

677
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: all come together there obviously his first year I think

678
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: you saw more last year was kind of frustrating watching it,

679
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: but um, it's a good point. Teams have been able

680
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: to find you know, big time tight ends in the

681
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: middle rounds and some of these high picks. Hawkinson has been.

682
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: He's been a perennial Pro Bowl or he might not be.

683
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: It's weird to say he's a Pro Bowl, but he's

684
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: not like an elite elite players like Andy Dalton got

685
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: a Pro bowler. Two Yeah, but he's been. He's spend

686
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: to a couple. He's been traded already for what they

687
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: trade him for. A two. UM this last year good,

688
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: really good, but not hasn't lived up to where he

689
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: was picked. No offense did not um emerge is what

690
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: you hoped he would be. I think there's you know,

691
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: it's a trades position where you want guys that are

692
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: big and athletic, but there's it's also a nuanced position.

693
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: And I think in college it's just you don't have

694
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: any of that, you know, so in terms of some

695
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: of the polished route running stuff in college, you're catching

696
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: a you're catching a team, you're catching a bubble. You know,

697
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: it's just you're not as refined, so it's a little

698
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: more difficult to evaluate. We uh, we have a team

699
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: of atl Every year we pick a team to ride with,

700
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: and it was the Lions this season, and I love

701
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: what you have done in your mock because you have

702
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: Kalijah Cancy. Yeah. Brad Holmes the GM, he had spent

703
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: years with Aaron Donald. He knows what Aaron Donald can do.

704
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: There's comps there obviously. I just think he's a perfect

705
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: fit for the Lions. What is is can he be

706
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald? Is? Is? Or is that too rich of

707
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: a comparison? Yeah, I mean it's there's just nobody like

708
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald in terms of the explosiveness and the strength

709
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: that he has. You know, one thing, talking to D

710
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: line coaches, they love guys that are a little bit

711
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: short with long arms because you it's an unbelievable leverage advantage,

712
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: you know when you can get some and I there

713
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: you go, exactly what we measured those Yet, well, I mean,

714
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: let's got the short part then, But he doesn't. He's

715
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: he is so like explosive and dynamic and quick. He

716
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: can get up the field, get on an edge and go.

717
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: The difference is Aaron Donald could put his hands right

718
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: in your chest plate and you know, just run you

719
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: flash over. He's not that type of power. He doesn't

720
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: possess that type of power. But it's it's hard to

721
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: find guys that can penetrate in, guys that can be

722
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: disruptors on the interior. I contend it's hard to find

723
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: those guys in his to find edge rushers. So when

724
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: you're having a debate in the room about an edge

725
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: versus a defensive tackle, to me, I think Chris Jones,

726
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams, Aaron Donald. Those guys can impact the game

727
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: more from in their running past than you can coming off.

728
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to answer his question it is unfair to

729
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 1: compare him to perhaps the greatest football player of all time. Well,

730
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean more than the splashes though, But it's the role.

731
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: Like to me, you can say I'm not drafting the

732
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: same player, but I'm drafting for that role. He's going

733
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: to play the Aaron Donald role for his team, and

734
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: he has some Aaron Donald traits. He doesn't have Aaron Donald's.

735
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: You know, again can go down his the greatest defensive

736
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: shop of all time. Another one from you, Grave Digger. Okay,

737
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: what number we had too, Graver Digger. This is going

738
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: to be sixteen, this is going to be seventeen. Say

739
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: keep that question the final question in the press count.

740
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: Right when you're writing your own feature about offensive lineman

741
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: and you're burning questions during the media time. I'm good, Okay,

742
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: this is following up on the tight end comments. I'm

743
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: curious if you think, with it being such a strong

744
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: tight end group all the way through, does that depth

745
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: lead teams to waiting knowing that there isn't much drop

746
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: off from you know, the say, the first guy to

747
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth guy, or does it push up

748
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: those elite guys even higher because they're the best of

749
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: a really good group. I've been leaning towards you know,

750
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: we could see some of these tight ends drop just

751
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: because there's so many of them. But the counter argument

752
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: to that is, I don't think this receiver class is

753
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: anywhere near what we've had the last few years. So

754
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: and I think if you listen to some of the

755
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: stuff coming out of the meetings, Brandon's daley and it

756
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: wasn't the only one, but I just remember that one

757
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: caught my ear where he said, you know, it's somebody

758
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: asking about receiver to and he's like, we're looking for playmakers,

759
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: like they trying to just categorize these guys as playmakers.

760
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: So to Greg's point about how you would stack receivers,

761
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: mixed in with tight ends, I think teams are going

762
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: to say we need more firepower. So I think that

763
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that that drop is going to happen,

764
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna say we need difference makers.

765
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: Guys are gonna make plays. Whether you're a tight end,

766
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: whether you receiver, we're gonna we're gonna take him. And

767
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: I think the tight end group is just more impressive

768
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: than the receiver group. How is uh Jackson Smith and

769
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Jigbau you know, maybe at the top of this class,

770
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: but not everyone's favorite receiver class so overlooked in terms

771
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: of like top end when he's on the same team

772
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: as just explain it to me, like an I'm an idiot.

773
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: He's on the same team as Chris Olave and Garrett

774
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: Wilson and he produces way more than most of them.

775
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: And I see this in free agency too. I feel

776
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: like everyone is always grading the previous year instead of

777
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: just like grading the whole thing. If he had come

778
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: out last year, wouldn't he have been a higher pick?

779
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: And then he knocks out the three cone the shuttle

780
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: like he's got the great timing, Like why why wouldn't

781
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: he seem like a very safe receiver pick because it

782
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: seems like he can't miss. If I'm a GM, I

783
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: just want to keep having picks where they're like, oh,

784
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: that guy's smart. He keeps taking good players like and

785
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: there's been a very few bad receiver picks lately. Yeah,

786
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: and especially coming out of Ohio State. Um, he's a slot,

787
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: So that's that's it. So you've got Wilson and a

788
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Lava on each side working against the number one and

789
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: number two corners and you're in there. That's what they

790
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: said about Justin Jefferson too when he was coming out. Yeah,

791
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: but Justin Jefferson's taller, longer, faster like all those things

792
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: you know. Play he can jump above the rim like

793
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: all those different areas. He's gonna be over him. And

794
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: Justin was also coming off of a like a twenty

795
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: touchdown season is last year. Smith and Jigby didn't play

796
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: this last year. So those are some of the differences there.

797
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: And to me, Jefferson that was the whole. Is he

798
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: a slot like? No, No, he was. He had played outside,

799
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: he had played inside, He could do everything. Every team

800
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: that I talked to and when I evaluated Smith and

801
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: jig But I think he's gonna be a catch guy

802
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: in the slot. He's gonna be high volume player. And

803
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: there's there's obviously teams that covet that and have that

804
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: need and they're gonna love him. And there's other teams

805
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, we have somebody we can play in there.

806
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: We want to get somebody that plays outside. One of

807
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: the most surreal things that occurred last season was mister

808
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: Irrelevant Yankee a team to the end see Title Game

809
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 1: for you know, if you're not a quarterback needy team,

810
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: but you want to go find that gem. It's probably

811
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: popular now to mag you know, to focus on one

812
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: person as like this year's brock Purty. Maybe slightly annoying

813
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: to you if that's the case. But is there someone

814
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: hanging out in the deep distance who someone might grab late,

815
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: who has sneaky upside a little bit of a gem. Well,

816
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn around and ask you a question. Don't

817
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: count this one. This one's free of charge. So when

818
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: when Debo had all that success as a receiver, we

819
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: did a thing and I came up with a really

820
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: creative way of saying it, Finding Debo. Okay, So it

821
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: was like finding Nebo, Find Debo about Okay, got it.

822
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: We've still been searching for the next Deebo Samuel. We

823
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: haven't found him. Like, there's some guys that are different.

824
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: So I need a catchy pun for Purty, Like, how

825
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: do we try and find the next Purdy? Anything we

826
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: think of picks our films from the two thousand, So look,

827
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna try and find that. You know, it's darnier impossible.

828
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: And I still contend, you know, with Brock Purty, if

829
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: you take him and throw him in a different building

830
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: in a different scenario, who knows what it looks like?

831
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: He is the perfect match. There's the thing I don't

832
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: know if you guys have read up on the S

833
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: two test that you guys done at even work on this.

834
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a processing test that are now

835
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: being given to especially quarterbacks. It's been in big in baseball.

836
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: So it'll be like, you know, six shapes pop up

837
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: and one's different. How quick can you identify the one

838
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: that's different? Is how quick you can process information? If

839
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: you think about for baseball, pitch recognition and all that stuff, Like,

840
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: it's very valuable tool and it's made its way over

841
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: the football the last five or six years, Josh Allen

842
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: was off the charts on it. Mahomes tested off the

843
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: charts on it. Last year in the entire quarterback class,

844
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: brock Purty had the highest number, had the highest grade

845
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: on that. This year it's Bryce Young So processing information, no,

846
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Speaker 1: but that part it is. But so to me with

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Speaker 1: brock Purty in his ability to process, paired with Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan's system with all the pieces in place, hey just

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Speaker 1: being being being get it out, get it out, get

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Speaker 1: it out, get it where he needs to go. He

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Speaker 1: was perfect. He was perfect fit. If you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: play action and ask him power comebacks down the field,

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Speaker 1: and you know in a different offense he might not

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Speaker 1: see the same results. That's all I'm getting at your

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Speaker 1: final question. If if I think Mark is just in

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Speaker 1: love with Brack Purty, that's it was a great story.

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Speaker 1: It's a great story, wonderful. If your son had been

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Speaker 1: born like ten years later, it'd be Brock, not cult McCoy, Cessler. Well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't name him cult McCoy, Cessler. No McCoy involved him.

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Speaker 1: Rock Cessler is almost worth having another kid for. I

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Speaker 1: did ask Matt Campbell at Iowa State, his coach I said,

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Speaker 1: what did we miss on Purty coming out? Like, what

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Speaker 1: was it? Any other cool phrase he's talked about? He

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Speaker 1: used the phrase competitive excellence and then I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? And then he just went through

866
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Speaker 1: like the every single practice was like the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: This guy, like even when you know they lost some

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Speaker 1: of the pieces around him, Um, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: just every single day, like you don't know it unless

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Speaker 1: you're around it and you can feel it and sense it.

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Speaker 1: Like this guy's just wired like ultra ultra ultra competitive.

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Speaker 1: Basively my six year old son in Little League as

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Speaker 1: he practice, Yes, if it's literally Game seven in the

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Speaker 1: World Series blocked in, he's obsessed competitive. Harry hans Er Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, Greg, your final question, you have a decent

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Speaker 1: gap here as for your top cornerback between Witherspoon and Gonzalez.

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Speaker 1: And Gonzalez why, I think Witherspoon's just a better overall

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Speaker 1: player and so he's not you know you're gonna see bigger,

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Speaker 1: faster with Gonzalez. I just think Witherspoon in terms of

880
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: the instincts. I fell in love with him from that standpoint.

881
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: He sees everything so fast. He plays with no hesitation.

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Speaker 1: I was around a Sante Samuel Senior when I was

883
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Speaker 1: with the Eagles, and I've seen Junior, you know, with

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Speaker 1: the chargers and guys that can play off and trust

885
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: their eyes, they just go and make plays like this

886
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be able to make a ton of plays.

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Speaker 1: And he's incredibly feisty and tough. That the days of

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Speaker 1: saying the old clip that everybody would pull out of

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00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: Dion saying they pay me to cover, they don't pay

890
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: me to tackle. Not in this NFL, not anymore, not

891
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: with as much outside zone as you're seeing, not with

892
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: how they're bringing corner into support. Because as an offensive

893
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: play caller, I can find out who your worst tackler

894
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: is and we're not gonna block him. We're gonna block

895
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Speaker 1: everybody else, and we're gonna make him be the forced player.

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Speaker 1: So to me, he combines that feistiness and playmaking and

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Speaker 1: all kind of comes together in a real nice package.

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Speaker 1: All right, Final question for Daniel Jeremy, NFL Network Zone

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Speaker 1: Draft Guru, and we thank him for his time and

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Speaker 1: he has a podcast. True you ever think about what

901
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: we do and specifically here what you do, and every

902
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: year it's a new draft class a new breakdown of

903
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: prospects within the same parameters, and think, what is this for?

904
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Speaker 1: Am I happy? Is this how I want to be remembered?

905
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: Am I a hamster on a wheel? Sometimes you can't

906
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Speaker 1: even see a pattern until it's right in front of

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Speaker 1: you your thoughts. Good question, um to me. There are moments.

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Speaker 1: There are moments when I'll tell you exactly when it is.

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00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: I try and get all the guys watched in the

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Speaker 1: run up to the combine so that I can talk

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00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: about it when they get on the line to run.

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Speaker 1: I want to be able to talk about them that

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Speaker 1: I've actually seen them and not you know, read out

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Speaker 1: of the research packet. So it's a lot of air time.

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Speaker 1: It's about there's a lot of time, a lot of

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Speaker 1: time to fill. So there's I go position by position

917
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Speaker 1: when I'm watching them, and when you're watching interior offensive linemen,

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Speaker 1: and it usually it'll take you a week to get

919
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Speaker 1: them done. And it's like I've just dedicated a week

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Speaker 1: of my life to watching mac interior offensive lineman. And

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Speaker 1: then like I'll see a play that's really exciting. I'm like, beat, hey,

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Speaker 1: beat check check this out. When you see this scoop

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Speaker 1: block are real quick. This guy from northern Michigan's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't care. But that's the good side,

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Speaker 1: because if it was like if it was a point

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Speaker 1: where like I'm in a Syntha is under you and

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Speaker 1: you see the mac he trucks somebody, you're just like

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Speaker 1: good block by that make notation like you haven't gotten

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Speaker 1: mad yet. I just I wonder if that's something if

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Speaker 1: you do this too fun, you know what I love.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite things along those lines is I

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Speaker 1: have an old phone which I don't use for anything

933
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Speaker 1: except for texting a couple of guys in the league.

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Speaker 1: So I'll be watching tape and that frees me up.

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Speaker 1: That frees me up to use the other phone, because

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Speaker 1: if you're if you're on the phone with somebody, you

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00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: can't video. So if I'm sitting there watching tape and

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Speaker 1: we'll just be sitting there on the phone talking to

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Speaker 1: each other for a long time, and I'll go, oh,

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Speaker 1: hold on this play, I'll use that other phone as

941
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Speaker 1: a camera, take take a you know, video of the play.

942
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: Text him and then he'll be text. We have these

943
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Speaker 1: text changes going back and forth of these different plays.

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Speaker 1: I like caring about the process. But yeah, we got

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Speaker 1: to hear more. Now we're talking how the saucage gets made.

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Speaker 1: Oh anything else, anything else we have all the time.

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Speaker 1: I think we should set free. We've done enough. What

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Speaker 1: do you guys? It's got many, um you know, kind

949
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Speaker 1: of quarter zips that you could wear to play golf,

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Speaker 1: but also to work out, but also to the office

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Speaker 1: to go out and buy. So we go to wed

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Speaker 1: some funerals. It's versatile. It's very versatile. You have stepped

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Speaker 1: up your wardrobe, my friend, Yes, buttons, somebody got a

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Speaker 1: new contract collars buttons. By the way, is I didn't

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Speaker 1: know structure was still in business? Is on fire. That's

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Speaker 1: why they call him a wholesome assassin. Check him out

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Speaker 1: A path to the draft with our friend Colleen Wolf

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Speaker 1: and everywhere else. No more plugs necessary, Daniel, Thank you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, it's good to see man. All right, we

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Speaker 1: will be back later this week. Till then he had

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Speaker 1: the call.