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Speaker 2: Should that have interest in JJ McCarthy, No, that'll be harsh.

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Speaker 3: Where do you draw the line?

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Speaker 2: Like, who was too up? Better than of the top five?

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Speaker 3: All of them except kill Williams.

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Speaker 3: What are we doing? That's given up? He's one game

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Speaker 3: since he's been in the league. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: haven't peen them. Man, I mocked that pick. I remember

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Speaker 3: the night when it happened, mocked and made fun of him. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm out on mock drafts too.

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Speaker 2: Good for you.

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Speaker 3: Good for you, go on to the dark side.

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Speaker 2: But if you have to go to mock draft rehab

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Speaker 2: to be out on mock drafts, out.

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Speaker 3: On mock drafts. That's the best thing I've heard saying

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Speaker 3: the show couple of because you kids like to say,

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Speaker 3: with your fantasy terms, here we go again, Like.

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Speaker 4: That is very different from that's very different. Nerds Rope

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Speaker 4: also fantastic.

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Speaker 3: There's no surprise that the scout likes nerds. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is a rainy and windy

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Speaker 2: Thursday here at Jillets Stadium. Hail, hail some places, snow

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Speaker 2: day today. Yeah, so we're okay.

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Speaker 3: How is the cape?

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Speaker 5: You got wind down, a lot of wind, a lot

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Speaker 5: of rain. Yeah, it seems like snow up north. But

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, well hail, I mean that's pretty close. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Wolf slippery and Sharon, huh. It was a little sippery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little slippery on one twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: big news yesterday. It's it's and it's Paul, it's me.

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Speaker 3: It's jewel in that in the booth. Stefan Diggs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: A lot of people said they'd never trade him. And

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Speaker 2: I know, Paul, you don't think that the bills are revamping.

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Speaker 3: But they are. And I didn't say they're not revamping.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what I said they are doing. I said

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Speaker 5: Yeah, take a half step back and then you know,

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Speaker 2: And I hear people say, well, that's what the Patriot

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Speaker 2: They're not in the same boat. No, and then the

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Speaker 5: And then you look at Houston, who you know, was

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Speaker 2: Every team is going through the same exercise where they're

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Speaker 5: Just said but do you guys think the timing was

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some there's some trades like Tyreek Hill I

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Speaker 4: You know, you're really your hay is in the barn

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Speaker 5: Yep, it's got to be the team trying to draft

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Speaker 3: I don't really understand that mentality, No, I mean not

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Speaker 5: I mean maybe it's a little bit more wide open

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Speaker 4: It doesn't close the gap for the Patriots, but I

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Speaker 4: do think that the Bills will take a step back.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's not just Stefan Diggs. They gave up

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Speaker 3: But they've replaced them with players that they think that

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Speaker 3: now again, I don't know if they're right.

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Speaker 2: This is not a They've replaced them with people I

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Speaker 4: This just feels like it feels so Bridge year Patriots

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Speaker 3: Where where instead of going twelve before, you go eleven

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Speaker 3: Correct and and suddenly it's but you realize the wheels.

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Speaker 4: Are off, but you realize that the team is not

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Speaker 3: So in terms of Super Bowl caliber, I would agree

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Speaker 3: with you. In terms of AFC East champion caliber, someone's

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Speaker 3: you thrown them interesting too.

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Speaker 5: Its just to watch Josh Allen have to adjust without

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Speaker 5: I mean losing Gabe Davis and and Diggs. I mean

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Speaker 3: bet if you ask Sean McDermott, he would have said,

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Speaker 3: I think the tight ends were a bigger part of it.

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Speaker 4: And then them out and throw his holme. And if

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Speaker 4: you look at the best Petrion time, you're way ahead

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Speaker 3: I not that I disagreed with you in terms of

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Speaker 2: He was.

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Speaker 3: Now there's a big difference between your numbers going down

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Speaker 5: I mean I think, to me, the Jets are the

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Speaker 3: Sure they beat us last year.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not just talking about us, I'm talking

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Speaker 3: I mean, they they they.

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Speaker 3: He gets to the playoffs and checks right, it is

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Speaker 2: But the other the other a FC power could we

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Speaker 3: Oh would have took their news on that?

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Speaker 4: Well, they admitted that he's he's probably he's probably gonna

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Speaker 3: You think so maybe a month? Maybe four games? Okay,

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: But I mean it's alcohol, alcohol involved. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But after the Henry Ruggs thing, I just think it's

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Speaker 2: From Actually, if alcohol was involved, he might have done

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Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, if legally alcohol is involved,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they can't. They he wasn't tested, They couldn't

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's the same thing with the Bills.

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Speaker 2: When you have great teams like the Patriots or the Chiefs,

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Speaker 4: And Stefan Diggs was he was disgruntled, like he was

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Speaker 4: I think that the receiver market this year, outside of

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Speaker 2: I read somewhere else where somebody said that the Bengals

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Speaker 3: I think that's probably what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: I mean, draft could spur some movement, but I think.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, real quick, though, Fred, I thought what you were

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Speaker 2: That's you know, that's a good one, Mike. I was

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Speaker 3: So that Kansas might make a play, yeah for the Chiefs, but.

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Speaker 3: Of that, is that risky?

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Speaker 2: You know, I guess as long as you have Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: It's going to take a few years before that we

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Speaker 3: You know, it's maybe I'm whistling past the graveyard. I

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Speaker 5: As long as yeah, Alan, and as long as just

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Speaker 3: It, yeah a million times is as long as he's healthy,

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Speaker 3: will be a threat in the playoffs every year. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I just look at the defense side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 5: I think what's interesting to me too, was last year.

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Speaker 2: The percentage of targets that Diggs had compared to the

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Speaker 4: Not this past year, but two years ago it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so disgruntled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Yeah, but you mentioned in Kansas City,

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Speaker 2: if that's that big a story, you know, good for them, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I agree these owners have to.

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Speaker 3: I don't really agree with public funding.

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Speaker 2: No, it's true. I mean, and you know, we live

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Speaker 3: Chargers, right, you know them too they explicit.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look at Buffalo. Buffalo's stadium is I think

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Speaker 2: Right you know, So do you really own it when

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get taxpayers saying no, you know, we know how

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Speaker 5: Well, that was I mean, we spend a lot of time,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's when you do the vote is after

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Speaker 3: he didn't really do a lot of the things that

441
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Speaker 3: he said he was going to do.

442
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Speaker 2: His background to that because no, no, no, because when

443
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,160
Speaker 2: when when Hunt first bought the team, he was from

444
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 2: Texas and he literally built a two level suite that

445
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 2: he lived in at the stadium. So that was already

446
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,359
Speaker 2: there and they just kind of refurbished it.

447
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they added a story. Yeah one, But like you know,

448
00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,560
Speaker 3: so it's not like Swift. It's one thing to do

449
00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,560
Speaker 3: that while you're doing all the things that your players

450
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,800
Speaker 3: are telling you need to be upgraded. They didn't. Well,

451
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,720
Speaker 3: according to them, I don't know the inner work.

452
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,680
Speaker 2: So I put my own I'll put my management hat

453
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,960
Speaker 2: on and say, yeah, we don't want to throw money

454
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 2: into the stadium because we want a new stadium. That's

455
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Speaker 2: what we want to do.

456
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Speaker 3: But again, it's okay to refurbish my suite.

457
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean that's one little part. I'm I'm

458
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000
Speaker 2: sure that's probably overblown.

459
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Speaker 3: I think if you saw it, you would say it

460
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Speaker 3: was one little bit.

461
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Speaker 2: But my point is it was already had a spiral staircase,

462
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,440
Speaker 2: and it was already you know, an elaborate suite as

463
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 2: suites go, you know, and they just they made it better. Yeah,

464
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:38,400
Speaker 2: it's oh, it's.

465
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 3: A whole house. It's three I believe it's three stories,

466
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 3: like a New York City apartment.

467
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Speaker 2: It is the owner, literally, the original owner, Lamar Hunt,

468
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 2: actually lived there.

469
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Speaker 3: And I don't hold it against them that he has

470
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Speaker 3: it like that. That part of it is not really

471
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Speaker 3: relevant to the It's that he decided this was the

472
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Speaker 3: time I'm gonna upgrade it. Well, evidently the locker room

473
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 3: is a mess.

474
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Speaker 5: That's what you guys have been there though. How was

475
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 5: that stadium?

476
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:04,160
Speaker 3: Over all?

477
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 2: It's it's an you know, they tried to do some

478
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,639
Speaker 2: renovations a few years ago. I guess they made some

479
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: areas better, the press box, for one, But it's an

480
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 2: old state.

481
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 3: It's awesome old.

482
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of like Fenway. You're putting lipstick on a pig,

483
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 2: you know.

484
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 3: But you it's just it's way nicer.

485
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 4: It feels like such a football atmosphere though you don't

486
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 4: get in the NFL like it's almost like a college.

487
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 2: That was kind of Yes, no doubt.

488
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 3: I'm not positive it was actually the first, but I

489
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 3: think it was like the first like sort of modern

490
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 3: football bowl stadium like that. That's the way they built it.

491
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 3: It's a great place. It really is now it's all

492
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Speaker 3: It's time has come. I understand why they want to.

493
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Speaker 4: The only thing that's bad about it is that the

494
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 4: press box is like built on top of the three

495
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 4: hundred level of the stadium, and it's like you can

496
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 4: tell that it's it was like separate, you know, like

497
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 4: it was built like afterthought. Yeah, it was like you know,

498
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,719
Speaker 4: like like you're at one of those amusement parks that

499
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 4: like just picks up sticks and moves all the time,

500
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, I don't want to be up here.

501
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 5: This is is Buffalo getting there? Are they going to

502
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 5: be an indoor team? Are they getting a door? They're

503
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 5: gonna be a.

504
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 3: Outdoor There was a petition to be a dome. I

505
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 3: thought it was no.

506
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 4: I don't think so. No, but they there's some of

507
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 4: the fan base and wanted it to be a dome

508
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 4: because that's the type of team they are, you know,

509
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 4: Josh Allen and you throw the ball fifty times and

510
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 4: be inside and not worry about the weather.

511
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Speaker 3: I guess it's hard.

512
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: I've kind of like it.

513
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: I think it's a huge advantage for them because he

514
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 3: can throw the ball in any weather and teams come

515
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 3: in there and can't.

516
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: I've changed my tune over the years about domes. I

517
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: used to be really anti dome. There's football, but now

518
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: it's like you're charging so much money, and you know,

519
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: it's such a TV product.

520
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: People are going to games and dying welles.

521
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: But you know that's just stupidity. But you know, I

522
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 2: kind of I don't. I'm not so anti dome as

523
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: I used to be.

524
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: You know, I don't love domes. I'll admit it. But

525
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 3: it's not because of you know, like the Andy Hart,

526
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: you know, Iron game, Like I you know, I would

527
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 3: rather watch a game outdoors. But there's certainly games like

528
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: the Jets game last year when you're slogging through all

529
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 3: the snow to try to get you know, it wouldn't

530
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 3: be bad if we were in a dome.

531
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Speaker 2: It separates coaches. Yeah, I love good coaches can adapt.

532
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 4: I love everything about domes. Yeah, like when we go

533
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 4: to the Raiders in Vegas, I'm.

534
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: Because it control controls all.

535
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 4: This is this is it, this is what I want,

536
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 4: open air, press box, dome, steady. It's fantastic, like and yes,

537
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 4: because I don't want to go watch the elements have

538
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: a factor in the game that it becomes six to

539
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 4: nothing in a rainstorm against the Chargers.

540
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 3: I'd much rather watch good football. So I see, I

541
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: feel that way. I've long felt that way, and I'm

542
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 3: surprised actually to hear Fred sort of changes tune.

543
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe because I'm getting older, because.

544
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: Old I don't like extreme weather games. Now I don't mind.

545
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: Like outdoors in general is fine, except for when it's

546
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: like the Kansas City Miami playoff game like that to me,

547
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: a survival of the fittest, Like that's no fin right,

548
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 3: you know, like what did you really do today?

549
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 5: It's like the perfect world you could have both in

550
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 5: each stadium and you know you're out open air in

551
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 5: the fall, and then as it gets cold and you

552
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 5: know you want to prevent those games.

553
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 3: I mean it's head surrandoerus, the retractable roof.

554
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just like, you know, some people say, oh,

555
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 4: you know, the men from the Boys thing, or like

556
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 4: the coaching, you know, like the win game, like the

557
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 4: coaching mat To me, the coaching is when you actually

558
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 4: get to like scheme things up and actually call plays,

559
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 4: because that's harder to do than to just have run

560
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: the ball sixty times in a wind storm.

561
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: It's not it's not about like a coaching like dominance

562
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 3: because the weather prevented teams from playing to the best

563
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 3: of their ability. Yeah, so good weather talk on the

564
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 3: show Good Weather.

565
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: It's a lot of weather, all web.

566
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous that we're in the first week of April

567
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: and we're talking about like this level of a storm.

568
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 3: I don't know why we live here.

569
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 2: Oh, we've always had storms like this. I remember April first.

570
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: Remember the April Fools snowstorm that got.

571
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 3: I think I was in high school. Yeah it was.

572
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 4: I think it was maybe two years ago that we

573
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 4: got snow at this time of year, like an actual snowstorm.

574
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember.

575
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, phones are still down. You know, we're

576
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: still waiting for a new phone system. I don't know

577
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: when that's gonna happen. Matt sprung on me today. I

578
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: needed another new piece of equipment to make it work.

579
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: Is it a telephone?

580
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to call my defense.

581
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: I warned we would need equipment. I just didn't send

582
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: the link. Take that little wire with the clip and

583
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: you put it in the phone jack needed, Pa, Why

584
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 3: don't you just give out yourself people speaker.

585
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 5: Right, I don't think I want the p listeners having

586
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 5: my personal cell phone. No, you don't want about your

587
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 5: work on you know what I mean to Eldrick.

588
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: Dues, wake up. I had a thought, Paul, I disagree

589
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: with you like I'm trying to eat dinner. You can't

590
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 3: even call it. To defend himself, he will right, oh

591
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: not today somehow? All right?

592
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: What else before we go to emails and what else?

593
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 5: All that stuff I've just I haven't seen the whole thing,

594
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 5: but but I thought Julie Edelman and Ernie.

595
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: Adams was pretty funny, fantastic, good good call that was.

596
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 5: That was excellent, unbelievably Friday Night Lights, Ernie directing buzz Bissinger,

597
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 5: which randomly had come up show Buzzy Buzzy. He calls

598
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 5: him Buzzy, which I had no idea that he was

599
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 5: with those guys.

600
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 3: Frequent training care. He is, okay.

601
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: So it's it's very long, it's almost three hours. But

602
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 4: I listened to it yesterday when I on my way home,

603
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: and it's it is fantastic, Like it is as good

604
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 4: as it gets for football content that isn't like direct

605
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 4: football content. Him talking about just all the things that

606
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 4: they talked about that obviously the Friday Night Lights thing

607
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: was really cool. He talked a little bit about the

608
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: Niners in the Super Bowl and their decision and what

609
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: he would have done, which is what he did here,

610
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 4: So that was really cool. He talked about meeting Bill

611
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 4: Belichick for the first time and how they became friends.

612
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 4: I mean, it was just that guy does he should

613
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 4: be a Hall of Famer in my book anyways, but

614
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 4: like he's also hall of famer when it comes to

615
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 4: do and stuff like that. Like he was fantastic.

616
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see a lot of people now saying, oh,

617
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: we need to get Ernie Adams as a guest because.

618
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 3: He's so quirky and interesting.

619
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 2: But he's got so much information.

620
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: I just encourage everybody to go into the archives podcast.

621
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: Is there hats from the past? Ernie Adams was a

622
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: tremendous guest. Yeah.

623
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.

624
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 3: Like a lot of other things, Yes, we have done.

625
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: That talking about you know, defenses and you know, playing

626
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: with leverage and you know the basics of you know,

627
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: what you do when it's cover five or something like that,

628
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: and like the way he explains it, like him and Bill,

629
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: it was just probably so obvious.

630
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was that was one where they were Julian

631
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 5: was talking about playing defensive back and he just like,

632
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 5: just don't.

633
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: Lose your leverage.

634
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 5: And then they started talking about Kansas City about all

635
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 5: of a sudden they go to cover five and like,

636
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 5: what are you guys doing that?

637
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: Just that stuff? Thank you? Interesting? Yeah that was the.

638
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: Best part, right, Yeah, yeah, he was great. It was

639
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 4: It's long, so you gotta have time to be able

640
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 4: to sit down and watch the whole thing, but it's

641
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: worth it.

642
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good stuff. What's the name of Julian's podcast?

643
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: Games with Names? Yeah? Games with Names?

644
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: Games with Names? Highly recommended.

645
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got an Ernie T shirt too that he

646
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: dropped out. Is that name kind of like what you

647
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: and I always talk about, like all the Patriots games

648
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 3: have names? Or is it just that's a.

649
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 5: Good question, Paul, I've been wondering exactly.

650
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: I think that's what it's referring, because, you know what.

651
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: Mike and I have that big joke that we can

652
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: just rattle off two dozen games that have names.

653
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: I'm ashamed because you're probably right, and I was like,

654
00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 5: I'm like, what does that mean?

655
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: Is it like I'm playing with famous people?

656
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: It's the snow game, it's the there's the.

657
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: Wind immaculate reception. There's the like Brandon Cook's game, there's

658
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: the Harper's Muff game. Right, there's the Mortar Kick game.

659
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: Like they have a lot of names. Yeah, you know that.

660
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: All you have to do is say one thing in

661
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 3: Patriots fans know the game you're talking about, right.

662
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: That's how just legendary the run was. Was that, like

663
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: there's just so many of them and we all watched them,

664
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: and we were all there till like it's crazy, and

665
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 4: Ernie just does a great job of talking about it

666
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: from like there's nobody more other than maybe Bill that's

667
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 4: more educated on what went on here for that period

668
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: of time. So that part of it, I just think

669
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 4: it's fantastic.

670
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: The thing that occurred to me most, you know, listening

671
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: to some of it was what a loss it was

672
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: for Bill when Ernie retired, Like he really was part

673
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: of his brain and he lost part of his brain

674
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: when Ernie left.

675
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 5: It was at least somebody who saw the game the

676
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 5: same way as him and and clearly had a respectable

677
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 5: relationship with him, where he could, you know, chime in

678
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 5: on that headset and say Bill, you know, wrap it out.

679
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 5: And Bill was you know instantly new he was right.

680
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 5: I mean that he go back to high school with

681
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 5: the guy that the shorthand that they had together. So yeah,

682
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 5: another another aspect. I think that certainly didn't help things

683
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 5: the last couple of years.

684
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: Yep.

685
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 4: This talk about the Super Bowl decision to kick or

686
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 4: not kick at an overtime was interesting. And he brought

687
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 4: up the fact that if you go second and you

688
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: know you need something, then you have fourth down, right,

689
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 4: And I think that, you know, that was his whole thing,

690
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: was like you can call your drive knowing that you

691
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 4: have four downs, so it makes it even easier in

692
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 4: his mind to.

693
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: The first time kicking off. Yeah.

694
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, So and he said that he him and Bill

695
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: had already been thinking about the strategy of what they

696
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: would do before the rule even passed, because they knew

697
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 4: the rule was coming, so they had already been talking

698
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: back and forth about what would you do, how would

699
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: we approach this, that sort of thing.

700
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: That's why I would love to have Ernie and Bill

701
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: think about this new kickoff arrangement and what what they

702
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: would do. I'm sure Bill already has to.

703
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: So when normal people say that that was done with

704
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: San Francisco did which blew up on Twitter right as

705
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: it happened. Right, that's nothing. No if Bill and but Ernie.

706
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 5: Mustache, you're like, oh, this is kind of fun.

707
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: I didn't.

708
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't think that I like And he

709
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: actually said, it's the first time that you should like that,

710
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: you should kick something like that. Interesting that we kicked

711
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: away a super Bowl kicking in overtime.

712
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 4: Oh jas well they also took the wind and that

713
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 4: worked out.

714
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it really it really didn't that that went

715
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: back and forth three times. They punt died and finally

716
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: a punt hit a guy in a leg and the

717
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: Patriots took over and in field goal the game. But

718
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: they cost themselves to the Super Bowl by doing that

719
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: in fifteen. I'm much more upset about that.

720
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: I didn't know what's going on all right, web radio pages.

721
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: It's just like the hero worship is ridiculous. Like the

722
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: most obvious thing which happened live at the time that

723
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: everybody said. He comes on a podcast and says and

724
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: it's like mind blown, like it's just ridiculous, Like everybody

725
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: know Shanahan screwed up. Everybody knew what before it happened. Yeah,

726
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: he does. And the one thing.

727
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 4: I'm not as strongly on it as Paul is, but

728
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: Ernie does like to talk out of both sides of

729
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: his mouth a little bit, where like he's not an

730
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: analytics nerd, but he is an analytics nerd, you know,

731
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: and like these nerds don't know. And it's like, but

732
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: wait a second, to your your title here was director

733
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 4: of Football Research, and what you did for the Patriots

734
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: was analytics, but not those analytics. It's my analytics, you know,

735
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: And like those people don't know what they're talking about.

736
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I did.

737
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: Like when we talk about like value with contracts, the

738
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 4: Patriots didn't just pull that out of their butts. They

739
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 4: had models that projected like this is what we think

740
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 4: this guy is worth. What do you think all these

741
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: nerds are doing in all these front offices now? But

742
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: if you asked Ernie, nerds don't know why they're doing.

743
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: It's the same thing like Paul saying.

744
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 5: It's like it's like Ernie just like you go to

745
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 5: a spreadsheet and it comes spits this out, but Ernie

746
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: just like processes it and he just says it like,

747
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 5: you know, that's like.

748
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Clock management, right, I don't need a spreadsheet, right, you know,

749
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: I would love, you know, before the game and you know,

750
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: the two teams would be out warming up and you know,

751
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: going through their you know, run throughs or their walkthroughs

752
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: before the game, and Ernie would stand with his back

753
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: to the Patriots and just watch the other team. And

754
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: I always wondered, like, what information are you getting, Like

755
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: is it isn't useful or.

756
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: Or you know, oh I know, and obviously thought it

757
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 3: was minutia. Probably Well, you're looking to see the formations

758
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: what they're doing, because that's generally what the game plan

759
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: is going to be. Yeah, like yeah, okay, that they

760
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: ran thirty plays before the game and twenty of them

761
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: were out of you know, three wide receiver sets.

762
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: But you know even that you would do that and

763
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: give away your game plan.

764
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: Well, you're not really expecting the other team to be

765
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: looking like the way he used to do it. That's

766
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: why he got in a fight in Buffalo.

767
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: And I find that too, like why wouldn't you.

768
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: That's why did you ever see? Like the teams the

769
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: way they line up when they do that, it's to

770
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: block the other team from being able to see you.

771
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: Except for the Patriots would have a guy in the

772
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: opposite end zone, which is why Buffalo wanted to fight

773
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: them in Buffalo. It was happened like five years ago.

774
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you think he's watching like the kickers, the ball

775
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 5: comes off their foots, what their range is.

776
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: So Lee Johnson remember Lee Johnson punter. Yeah, he used

777
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: to say this is guy like this guy who was

778
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: just like just watching me kick. He's got creepy he's

779
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: got these big glasses. Do you remember this Fred Johnson.

780
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know what he's doing, but every kick,

781
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: he's watching me kick. He's looking down, he's at me.

782
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: He's watching me kick every single kick. You know, I'm like,

783
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: what is this guy doing? What is he looking at?

784
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: What does he want? He got cut like shortly thereafter.

785
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: Now what fascinating guy.

786
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: The last straw for Lee Johnson was that Chargers game

787
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: in O one that Brady led them back to, you know,

788
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: with the late score. He mishandled a snap and like

789
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 3: sort of served it up on a platter for a touchdown.

790
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: That's what put the Patriots behind by ten, like in

791
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, and that was it. I think he

792
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: got cut the next week, but he's just he goes,

793
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: why is this guy staring at me?

794
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: All the time.

795
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: He's always watching me. I think they got Josh Miller

796
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 3: twirling his mustache. I like Ernie. Ernie was a lot

797
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: of fun with no socks, and I when we did

798
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: the podcast more so he was. He was better off air.

799
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: And I know people always you know why, you know,

800
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: why didn't you have the best stuff? But he just

801
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: he was much more personable and fun off air. Yeah,

802
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 3: on Airy was very straight forward. Here's the facts, man.

803
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 5: It's funny always having a moment now in his retirement,

804
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 5: because I remember, I think I've told the story before

805
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 5: how I got an Ernie Adams autograph, which was kind

806
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 5: of funny. But he was kind of always this guy

807
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 5: behind the scenes that you didn't really know. He was

808
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 5: like the genius behind Bill and who. I think ESPN

809
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 5: had an article about him that was like, you know,

810
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: who is this man?

811
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: What does he do?

812
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 5: And they asked a bunch of people and you know,

813
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 5: now it's he's in a three hour podcast. You know,

814
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 5: he's in the Dynasty. He's doing like dramatic things. He's

815
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 5: in all kinds of things.

816
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's kind of quite the personality too, like

817
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 4: and they kept him hidden.

818
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 5: It's like and like Bill has like disappeared, like no

819
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 5: one has seen Bill Belichick since what here?

820
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: Like has anybody seen Bill?

821
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: Like?

822
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: You know?

823
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: And he's doing.

824
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: The tour And back in the day he was a

825
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: notorious day trader. I mean like made money. Oh I

826
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: bet trading stock.

827
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: I wish I was that smart. Lee Johnson again, Yeah,

828
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: Lee Johnson was big on the day?

829
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: Was he?

830
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: Uh?

831
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: David in Madrid? Right?

832
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: Sin? Wow?

833
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: I have an unpopular opinion and wanted to hear your

834
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: thoughts about it. We all admit that the rebuild is

835
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: going to take at least two years, well not everyone,

836
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: and there are four left tackles that are going to

837
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: be very good slash elite next year's draft. Due to this,

838
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: I feel like we should take a quarterback and two

839
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: wide receivers with the top three picks and draft to

840
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: tackle next year in the first round. Hope to get

841
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: your opinion.

842
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 5: I don't I don't even sure. I don't really I

843
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 5: don't really hate that. I mean I just think you

844
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 5: gotta kit whatever you pick this year. I mean, you

845
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 5: need I don't care if they took a freaking cornerback

846
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 5: for your first round, Like you just you need star players,

847
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 5: you need power, You know guys who are game changers,

848
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 5: and you know, I think you're probably gonna have to

849
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 5: wing it at a couple spots this year, you know,

850
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 5: whether it's I mean, I don't want it to be quarterback,

851
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 5: but I.

852
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: Could see it being quarterback.

853
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 5: I could see it being Jacoby Brissett and a mid

854
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 5: round selection that you don't.

855
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: Really have high hopes for. I just hope that.

856
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 5: And Paul, we've been saying it since I started here

857
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 5: with you going to the draft.

858
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: It's just it's not a little like Eldrid when Paul

859
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: we've been saying this.

860
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 5: Get one of these freaking receivers are good like draft

861
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 5: a good receiver like that.

862
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: It's not that hard wide receiver class. Get one of them,

863
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: and we managed to get that aren't really productive. So

864
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: that that's my big thing. Get one of those. I

865
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: don't care about the order either. I don't. I would

866
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 3: and I would welcome an email back in to sort

867
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: of explain why, if there are so many tackles that

868
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: are so highly rated, would you want to wait till

869
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: next year.

870
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: No, he's saying next year there are tackles. That's what

871
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 2: he's saying.

872
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: He said, next year, there are four Next how.

873
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 5: Do we know that there's there's tackles every year.

874
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: There are some guys next year. I mean, like, I mean,

875
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: this is exceptionally strong class of tackles, is it not.

876
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: It's it's very good at the top. It's not very deep,

877
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: but it's very good at the top. And again, I

878
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: don't care if you want to get the wide receiver first,

879
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: that's okay, I.

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Speaker 4: Have there's no Joe alt next year, like Joe Alt

881
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 4: is you know, Joe Thomas, like one of those types

882
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: of guys. But next year, the kid from Georgia, I

883
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: want to say, is is a really good left tackle?

884
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: Like there's there's a couple of tackles like every year,

885
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 4: like every year.

886
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 3: If he was talking about next year, then that makes

887
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 3: more sense. He thinks next year's classes is going to

888
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: be comparable. So that yeah, that so that makes sense.

889
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: Wait till next year, he says, I get it.

890
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: The left tackles are Banks junior from Texas, Simmons from Ohio,

891
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: Connerley junior from Oregon, and Campbell.

892
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: From ls But he's talking about el okay, so that

893
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: makes that makes total sense. I missed that part of it.

894
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 3: I thought he was saying there's supposed to be four

895
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: league tackles this year in this draft, but every every.

896
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: But every draft, you can do that, like every like

897
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 4: this draft, you can go Joe all at Olofashanu. You

898
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 4: know you can just do it every year. Tackle is

899
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 4: one of those spots where there usually is two or

900
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: three really good first round tackles.

901
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Speaker 2: on the spot offer to join the team. Wow, we

913
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: like you so much, Mike. We're not going to leave

914
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: the building until you sign you out.

915
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Speaker 5: I feel like that might be a good summer job

916
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 5: for like high school, like the boys when they get

917
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 5: in a little bit a little bit bigger, but you know,

918
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 5: like slinging food, walking around the stadium, taking in some events,

919
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 5: Like could be a good summer.

920
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: Job, right part did that? Yeah, Mike, my kids wouldn't

921
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: do that. No work, Martin's work.

922
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: Uh. Tyler in New York City says, I think the

923
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: Patriots are taking a wide receiver with number three. Overall,

924
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: everything else is a smoke screen. It's no coincidence that

925
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 2: the Browns offensive staff flocked to England after twenty twenty

926
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 2: two s lacking during the Zappening, a three hundred yard

927
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: two touchdown, no interception, three score victory for the third

928
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: spring of Bailey Zappi, Avp and company know they have

929
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: a diamond in the rock. Period needs to succeed. Is

930
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Speaker 2: a true number one in a franchise left tackle willb one.

931
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Speaker 5: I The point I would just make with this year,

932
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 5: The value of this year is that you are you

933
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 5: have a chance to get and I don't know, correct

934
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong. There's maybe like five potential really

935
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 5: good elite top of the like all neighbors. Harrison May Williams.

936
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 5: I don't know, another one maybe, but like I feel

937
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 5: like they got to get one of those guys, like

938
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 5: one of those five.

939
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 3: Somehow.

940
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: There's nine offensive players at the top of the draft

941
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: that are all studs. One of them is Brock Bowers,

942
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 4: which I just don't a good one. I don't know

943
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: if that necessarily makes sense for them to at tight end.

944
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: But you have the three quarterbacks Caleb Jaden Drake, may

945
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 4: have the three receivers Harrison Neighbors, and say you have

946
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 4: the two tackles, all fashion new, and then you have

947
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Speaker 4: brought Howers.

948
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: So there's there you go.

949
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: This board is one through nine on everybody's big board

950
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: is offense. They're the best defensive player in this draft

951
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: is Dallas Turner from Alabama, who is most people think

952
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 4: is the tenth or eleventh best prospect in the draft.

953
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: So if you could come away with one of those

954
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 4: nine guys, that's it. Now we can get into the

955
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: into the weeds of his brought powers makes sense. Is

956
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: the second tackle off the board makes sense after a

957
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 4: trade down. But those nine guys are all considered blue chip,

958
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 4: elite offensive prospects.

959
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: That's why you're you're the third overall pick, and I mean,

960
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 5: we know what it took for them to get that pick. Like,

961
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 5: it's not easy to end up at third overall, right,

962
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 5: Like you sometimes you just kind of luck.

963
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: Well, you know, because sometimes they were so bad and

964
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: they still didn't get you know, like like and they

965
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: still lucked into a couple of wins kind of.

966
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 5: So you know, it's just everything kind of has to

967
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 5: line up, especially if you're gonna end up, you know,

968
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 5: at the top overall pick, where it's it's not even

969
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 5: you suck. You have injuries probably too, so you know,

970
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 5: it's it's when you're at this spot, get one of

971
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 5: those guys. And if you get one of those guys

972
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Speaker 5: in that list, it's a good start. It's a good

973
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 5: start for rebuilding the offense. But I just I push

974
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: back on people who are like when they put a

975
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 5: number on the rebuild like like two years, it could

976
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 5: be for ever.

977
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 4: I mean, there's one it could be the Houston Texans

978
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 4: who are now probably contender next year.

979
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

980
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: You know, again, we're so spoiled to have had Tom

981
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: Brady and did do what you know, remain at the

982
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: top of contender every year pretty much for twenty years.

983
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: There's thirty one other teams in the league trying to

984
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: get better every year, going for the same pool of

985
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: players that you are. It's hard. It's hard, right, and

986
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: they're not all idiots, all these other teams.

987
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 5: And by the time we're talking about the offense and

988
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 5: get like, then the defense is going to be a problem,

989
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 5: Like Judon's gone now, and you know, game you're always

990
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 5: it's always whack the mole. There's always a problem for

991
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 5: it to all line up, you know. But I think

992
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 5: we all agree, and I think generally the consensus agrees,

993
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: and it's kind of coagulating to coagulating around Drake may

994
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 5: I feel like he's that's the guy right now that

995
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 5: everybody feels like, if we can put that piece into place,

996
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 5: we'll have a chance against these good teams and.

997
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: The rest of it will figure out.

998
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 5: But that's the piece you need. Until you get that,

999
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 5: when you're just kind of spinning your wheels.

1000
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: Bronson in Salt Lake City, Speaking of the AFC East,

1001
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: the Dolphins lost some of their top defensive players like

1002
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: Xavian Howard, Jerome Baker, Andrew Van Ginko, Christian Wilkins, plus

1003
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 2: a bunch more just curious how you think that affects them.

1004
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: Obviously he will still have an explosive offense. Just curious

1005
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: your thoughts on the Dolphins roster at this point.

1006
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: I'll do the additions. He didn't write that, right. I'm

1007
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: not worried about Christian Wilkins is the only loss. Yeah,

1008
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: Jerome Baker is a good player. They replaced him.

1009
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: Xavian Howard's old Zavion Howard hasn't been the same guy

1010
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 4: last couple of years. But as much as I love

1011
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel the offensive coordinator, I wonder about.

1012
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel the head coach a little bit. Those teams

1013
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: have I worry about late season. Yeah, it seems like

1014
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: the offense is great for three months and then it

1015
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: kind of goes a wall. Yeah, down the stretch when

1016
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: maybe teams figure out what they're doing.

1017
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: And a lot of coaches, offensive coaches in particular, that

1018
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 4: that's true for Like, it's notoriously true for Cliff Kingsbury,

1019
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 4: like whether it's college or the pros. His team's flame

1020
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: out after Thanksgiving, Andy Reid for a while.

1021
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 3: Another one.

1022
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 4: That's just like in the lab all summer and then

1023
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: you get through September and October and then everybody starts

1024
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: to catch up to him. Obviously not anymore with Patrick.

1025
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: Don't happen Andy Reid, But yeah, it did.

1026
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: Used to happen, like you know, Philly, you know times

1027
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: and stuff. So a lot of offensive guys.

1028
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: That happens, Logan and Myrtle Beach. Do you guys think

1029
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: you'd get a better package of talent by drafting a

1030
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: wide receiver in the top of the draft and then

1031
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: a tackle in the second round of this year's draft

1032
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: or vice versa. I think they will end up taking

1033
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: a quarterback at one of those picks now that they

1034
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: traded Mac, but thought it was a possibility to try

1035
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: to surround him before they ultimately traded him. His comments

1036
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: on Jack's social were funny. Did anybody see that I did.

1037
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: It's Mac and I wish he would have been more

1038
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: out there when he was with us, instead of trying

1039
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: to be serious all the time like most of New

1040
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: England's players seem to be. Well, there's a reason for that.

1041
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 2: Do you think now that Bill and Brady are both gone,

1042
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: some players will be more themselves with the media.

1043
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, Judom was kind of himself

1044
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: even even with Bill.

1045
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: There's very few players that had the gravitas to do that,

1046
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: like Bronk was you know, so there was you know,

1047
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: kind of a fear of you know, going over the line, uh,

1048
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: you know, being too goofy. But but Mac revealed that

1049
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: he likes to wrap.

1050
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it's I mean, I I just, uh,

1051
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 5: we've seen that side of him.

1052
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 4: I don't know, I think that's we've seen that side

1053
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 4: of him for sure. And look, when things were going bad,

1054
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: he's not going to be on our TikTok right like

1055
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 4: it's it's just it's just not we're about here. But

1056
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 4: he's been on some of those videos before.

1057
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: I I mean, I almost feel like him joking with

1058
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: you about being the offensive coordinator was.

1059
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: A little you know a little bit of that of him,

1060
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 5: you know, being a little bit loose.

1061
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's when we had hope.

1062
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: Uh Jeff in Canada. I don't care if we stick

1063
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: and pick or trade and accumulate more picks. My main

1064
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: concern is by the time the draft ends, the Patriots

1065
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: must have at least one star player on offense. I'm

1066
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: with Fred, I can't go another year of being easy

1067
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 2: to defend.

1068
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think that's I think that's everything. I mean,

1069
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: it starts with a quarterback. And you know we've said

1070
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 5: many times I think Drake May is worth missing on.

1071
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: But you know, there's still, like as I said earlier,

1072
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 5: those early second round receivers, like there are guys out

1073
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 5: there that will get you excited, you know, to bring

1074
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 5: them in. And that's those are the two pieces. It's

1075
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 5: just it's hard to spread the needle with all three

1076
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 5: of the biggest needs. So again, I think they're gonna

1077
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 5: have to, you know, figure it out. Maybe after the

1078
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 5: draft they make some acquisitions. I just I mean, I

1079
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 5: want to see wonder if if do you think there's

1080
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 5: any chance Doug Or gets traded.

1081
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: Maybe? I don't know, I mean if they, if they

1082
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: if he comes back here, he's going to be under

1083
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: the tag, which is like thirteen million or something like that.

1084
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: You know, so I guess a team could trade and

1085
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: then redo his contract, right you don't have to stick

1086
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: with the tag if you trade him, right.

1087
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: Right, they he hasn't signed it. Well, he could sign it,

1088
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: but then you could sign an extension after July before.

1089
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 4: That's a tricky trade, yeah, because like it's not like

1090
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: he's franchise tagged. So I don't know. I think that

1091
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 4: why would a team give up assets if they could

1092
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 4: just sign him to an offer sheet, right and then

1093
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 4: just take them for nothing.

1094
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know.

1095
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 5: He just seems like one of the few assets. And

1096
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 5: I mean, I've seen some of the scuttle butt there.

1097
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: I think I think the only player that they could

1098
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: trade to get something decent for would be Jude On.

1099
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 2: The team that's close. They need somebody on the edge

1100
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: just you know, for a year or two. Yeah, and

1101
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: they're willing to give up you know, maybe a second round.

1102
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 4: I would trade dude On. I don't think they will

1103
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 4: because of his gravitas and his energy that he brings

1104
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 4: to the locker room I think is important. Like they

1105
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: talk so much about their guys and you know, changing

1106
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 4: the locker room culture, and I think he's part of that.

1107
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: So they probably won't. But in terms of what you

1108
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: could get back in a trade, if you could get

1109
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: a Day two pick back for jude On, I would

1110
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 4: definitely do that.

1111
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 5: I wonder about Judon just because you know, we heard

1112
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 5: rumblings that he doesn't really come to OTA stuff like

1113
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 5: he did Mandatory. He's here, but I wonder if that stuff. Yeah,

1114
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 5: but I wonder, I mean, he might have the country

1115
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 5: m R. So I just I wonder if that's going

1116
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 5: to change this year. And you know, it's Evan's point.

1117
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 5: I mean I agree generally that he's you know that guy,

1118
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 5: but also too, like if you're a new regime and

1119
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 5: you know they're going to start up here, what next Monday.

1120
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 5: I want Matthew Judon here. It's a new you know,

1121
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 5: this is a new this is a whole new thing.

1122
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 5: We need you here. And if he's not here that

1123
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 5: that would start to signal to me. And I don't

1124
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 5: even know how we'll really even know is going to

1125
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 5: be here.

1126
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know you can't force players because it's voluntary,

1127
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: but I wonder if like, you know, hey, matt yeah,

1128
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: if you can make it, it would be really good.

1129
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: So he did an interview with uh Kadlick already and

1130
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 4: and told Mike that he's gonna be here.

1131
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: O good.

1132
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So that's that's that's good news.

1133
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that would point in the right direction.

1134
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 5: I mean, we talk about what they can do with

1135
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 5: the cap space they have. I think him Barmore, those

1136
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 5: are those are probably the two biggest pieces.

1137
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: That was another thing that came up. Sorry, Paul, that's fine.

1138
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 4: The are any of you bothered by the fact that

1139
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: they delayed the start? That's exactly what I know, because

1140
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 4: like this is like becoming like a big subject that

1141
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: I see on Paul shows.

1142
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah and oh yeah, stuff like that.

1143
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 4: And I'm just like really surprised about it's one week

1144
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 4: in the spring without pads, Like I'm I'm losing I

1145
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 4: don't understand.

1146
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: But we're told us this is the We're told it's

1147
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: really important. Every week is important, every practice is important,

1148
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: every day is important. And yet they're giving up a

1149
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 2: much like and I'm only saying the Devil's Advocate are.

1150
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: Argument much like most things. I look at it a

1151
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: little different, and I am not bothered by the fact

1152
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 3: that they had a chance to get two extra weeks

1153
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: and only took one. Like the on field part. And

1154
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: I'm sort of extrapolating from what Jerrodd said when he

1155
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: was asked about it. Why what do he say.

1156
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: They want to make sure that they're on the same

1157
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: page coach where they bring in the players.

1158
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 3: I read that as they weren't ready. I do too

1159
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 3: that that that's a concern for him. That was his

1160
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: take on.

1161
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: There, like that they're still you know, they're still working

1162
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: things out.

1163
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm surprised, but I'm disappointed. Again,

1164
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: it's not because oh my god, no team's ever had

1165
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 3: a new head coach and forfeited a week of OTAs

1166
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: and no. But like, but what do we do it?

1167
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: I have no problem with the head coach coming to

1168
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: the Really I need an extra week. I mean, I'd

1169
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: rather have him do that than like, you know, like

1170
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 2: convince himself that he doesn't if he does.

1171
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: You know, I think I'm talking about the fact that

1172
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: he needs I'm taking him at face value. He needs

1173
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 3: another week, and I agree, So I'm saying that's not good.

1174
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: I'd rather, like I said, I'd rather have him admit

1175
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 2: that at and take the week and be ready then,

1176
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: you know, you know, try to convince yourself that you're

1177
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: ready if you're not.

1178
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 4: I read it to you because he it was, you know.

1179
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 4: The quote continued and he mentioned about how they've been

1180
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: focused so much on the draft and scouting and the

1181
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 4: coaching staff has been at all these pro days. So

1182
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: Girodmeo A VP McAdoo, T McCartney, these guys have all

1183
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 4: been scouting, Drake May and Jayden Daniels for the last

1184
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 4: month and a half, you know, probably since the Combine.

1185
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 4: They were all at the Combine too, So I think

1186
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 4: a lot of the focus of the organization right now

1187
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 4: is what are we doing with the third overall pick,

1188
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 4: and maybe some of this type of stuff that Paul

1189
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: is referring to with the coaching side of it has

1190
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 4: fallen behind because they are all on the scouting trail

1191
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 4: right now.

1192
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: Nine guys at pro days, and we're not ready to

1193
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: start OTAs. As a result being collaborative.

1194
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 5: I would just say it is it is a giant

1195
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 5: new coaching staff and the amount of concerns coaching staff

1196
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 5: dysfunction that I've seen over the last two seasons, if

1197
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 5: they need a little extra time to work it out

1198
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 5: and make sure that everybody's on the same page.

1199
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 3: I'm I'm okay with that.

1200
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 5: Like I I've seen enough of guys running between position

1201
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 5: groups and teams and positions not knowing what they were doing.

1202
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's a bunch of new guys,

1203
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 3: I don't I don't really.

1204
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: Put now after two weeks when everyone else is back,

1205
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: if you're still not ready. Okay, a week up.

1206
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 5: Sure, But I mean we've seen like what it's like

1207
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 5: running in the bubble, you know, like that's like what

1208
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 5: they one is like.

1209
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: That's why it has nothing to do with anything that's

1210
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: happening on the field. It's the classroom stuff. Like I'm

1211
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: not My concern is that they're not they feel they're

1212
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: not ready to do whatever it is they do with

1213
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: this time of year. They feel like they're not ready

1214
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 3: to do it. They're not ready to be in front

1215
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 3: of the team yet as a coaching staff. According to Gerard, yeah,

1216
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's my concern, not that they're missing,

1217
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 3: like the lack of running in the Yeah, bubble isn't

1218
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: going to prevent you from going.

1219
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying, but I just I think

1220
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 5: this is a giant new head coaching staff, brand new

1221
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 5: head coach.

1222
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 3: They allow you, as a new head coach, the extra time,

1223
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: so they'll take They'll still get extra time though. One.

1224
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: But it's not that they're not here, you know, the coaches.

1225
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just talking about their preparation.

1226
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 2: But it's not like the coaches aren't here. They're they're here.

1227
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: I understand that.

1228
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: You know, I players don't have to come into it.

1229
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: I would have felt better if you said, I don't

1230
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: feel like we need that, And I just think that's added,

1231
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: you know, wear and tear. We're just gonna wait. He

1232
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 3: get killed for that too, he might, but it would

1233
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: make me feel better to know that they were ready

1234
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: to do it, they just chose not to. Bill Will's

1235
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: done that many times.

1236
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 4: What's more important though, them nailing the number three overall

1237
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 4: pick or the having an extra week of So if

1238
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 4: the if them nailing the pick was all these guys

1239
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 4: scouting these quarterbacks instead of you know, maybe putting together

1240
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 4: the playbook or whatever the heck it is that they do,

1241
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 4: then it's I take the extra time.

1242
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 5: I just think too, It's like, you know, this is

1243
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 5: a first time head coach, so they're gonna be maybe mistakes,

1244
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 5: They're gonna be growing pains. There's gonna be things that

1245
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 5: he does right and wrong that you know, we we

1246
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 5: need to have a little bit of understanding that you know,

1247
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 5: this is a whole operation that he has to run.

1248
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: Now it's the first time head head coach. And correct

1249
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. Has Elliott wolf ever had like

1250
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: the control he has right now? No. So basically it's

1251
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: the first time GM too.

1252
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you know, so the first time coaches that

1253
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 3: are doing OTAs. Now that's okay though it's teach.

1254
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 5: Their own I mean, you know, like I find you know,

1255
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 5: I don't know this. I mean this feels to me

1256
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 5: like you can be concerned about it if you want.

1257
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: I understand why you why you're saying I'm not up

1258
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: at night.

1259
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 2: Well no, no, I.

1260
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: Understand, just but it's odd that they didn't feel like

1261
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: they were ready to be in front of the team yet.

1262
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: I just think that was an odd way of putting

1263
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: It didn't strike me what do they do with that? Odd? Like,

1264
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: what have they been doing for the last six weeks

1265
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: that they don't feel like they're the quarterback to have?

1266
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: But again, again, why do we have all the coaches

1267
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: doing that? Because I think that we had nineteen scouts

1268
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: there too.

1269
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I think that they that

1270
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 4: a VP in mcadoo's opinion on these quarterbacks weighs heavier

1271
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 4: than a lot of the scouts do, because they're the

1272
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 4: ones that understand that. Like Mayo will fat out admit

1273
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 4: he knows nothing about quarterbacks.

1274
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 3: He'll say that fact doesn't bother me at all. The

1275
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 3: the a VP and Ben McAdoo pot frightens the crap

1276
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: out of me. I don't guys that might not be

1277
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 3: here in three years are going to be the ones

1278
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: deciding what's gonna happen.

1279
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's still their reputation.

1280
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 4: They actually have a great track record, especially Macado.

1281
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: I know, but Paul, it's just going to be a

1282
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: disaster then, I mean.

1283
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 3: I understand what he's saying.

1284
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 4: But Macadoo in particular, like his his quarterback track record

1285
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 4: is phenomenal.

1286
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 3: You know, like I'll pretend nothing bothers me. That'll make

1287
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 3: you feel better.

1288
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, everything is wrong, it's a disaster.

1289
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: I said nothing about disasters or debacles, so you just

1290
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 3: put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

1291
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like nothing nothing like all.

1292
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: The other first time coaches all were able to have

1293
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 3: ot as when they were allowed to have them. In

1294
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 3: some how that's deemed to be bad. Well, like it's

1295
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 3: better that they recognized that they weren't ready to do that.

1296
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 2: Like I said, this is Elliott Wolf's first go around

1297
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: with this too. Is that the case with those first

1298
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: time head coaches?

1299
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, So I don't know. I'll just

1300
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: pretend it's great. Maybe it is Elliott Wolf have to

1301
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 3: do with o TA. I don't know if it's great

1302
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 3: or bad. But I'm not willing to point at that

1303
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: and say, see, see it's not gonna work. I didn't

1304
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 3: say that. Now again, you can you can go all.

1305
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: You can go all and pretend I said things that

1306
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: I didn't say.

1307
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: That's fine, he's filled his ours Jews, that's it.

1308
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 3: We'll just pretend everything's great.

1309
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: It's a sign of what's to come.

1310
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: We'll pretend everything is the Lego movie. Well, everything is awesome.

1311
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 3: It's great. I did like Morris's speech.

1312
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: You know, you can also look at it. You know.

1313
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 2: I like the idea of a coach admitting that.

1314
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 3: I but I don't. I don't like the idea that

1315
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 3: my coach is openly admitting he's not ready to be

1316
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 3: in front of his team. Why do I have to

1317
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: pretend that I like.

1318
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 4: That he just needs to talk less, like he's just.

1319
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: A little in that.

1320
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: I don't think what we really and it's not just

1321
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 4: the fact that they're different personalities, is just Bill had

1322
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 4: been doing it for so long that he was so

1323
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 4: polished at everything, and he hardly ever slipped up and

1324
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 4: like said something it gave away something that he shouldn't

1325
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 4: and he was so just rehearsed with all of this,

1326
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 4: and Girodd's just not there yet, like give it given

1327
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 4: a non answer, no question, I don't.

1328
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: Know if it's a good thing or not. Like, but

1329
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: I'm not, like, you know, I'm open to like what's

1330
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: going on. I'm not immediately saying that's bad, that's a

1331
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: bad thing.

1332
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I don't think that's what I say. No,

1333
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: I think Paul I said it was a disaster. You

1334
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 3: weren't listening. You weren't listening. No, I mean to listen

1335
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: to No, that's that's that's why it's good.

1336
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's why we have, you know,

1337
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 5: good debate, and that's why Paul's radar goes up on

1338
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 5: those little things. And you know, I think I think

1339
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 5: to like to Evan's point that you know, we're so

1340
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 5: used to Bill being so buttoned up that like you

1341
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 5: had to really dive deep to try to get like

1342
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 5: these kind of things, whereas Girod's kind of handed to

1343
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 5: you on a silver platter. And now it's with art,

1344
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 5: especially with the media. Die damic that exists in this

1345
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 5: town where it's like, dude, you know you burn cash

1346
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 5: like they're going that is going to blow up and

1347
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 5: that's going to be held against you and everything that's

1348
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 5: been said over the last two months.

1349
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: And we don't know the facts. We don't know the facts.

1350
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: We only know what Gerada said. But like we know

1351
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of construction going on down there.

1352
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: You know, maybe that's not ready yet.

1353
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: I can say that. You know, if you if if

1354
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 3: all the crafts have the construction going on, they can't

1355
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 3: even start on time. If current one, if everything ready,

1356
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: really really you'd rather you'd rather your coach tell you

1357
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: he's not ready. Then we're making some changes and they're

1358
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: not quite set to go yet. Sure, well that just

1359
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: sounds like trivial, you know, right, one's trivial and one's football.

1360
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: But still I'm much more concerned as a fan about

1361
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: trivial I mean football.

1362
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 5: But I don't see that much difference between the two.

1363
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 5: It's it's all just like getting everything changed over and

1364
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 5: play a.

1365
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 3: Huge difference between the two with them. One of them

1366
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with your preparation.

1367
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 5: No, but but again, preparation is getting everything in order

1368
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 5: for what you want to do. So, by the way,

1369
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 5: a lot of different ways, would you have them jump

1370
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 5: right into it?

1371
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: And we don't really know what we're doing, but we

1372
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: got to start this day. Yes, you know, yes, what

1373
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 3: I would even know that would help them get the

1374
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: experience that they need. Yes, I think that would be

1375
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: at and the other thing.

1376
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: You know a lot of other teams that have that

1377
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: first year head coach, you know, it might have been

1378
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: four years before they had to make it.

1379
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: We've had the same head coach.

1380
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: For twenty three years, you know. I mean, that's a

1381
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: that's a big seismic, that's a big shape.

1382
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what else I'll tell you. I'll pretend

1383
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 3: that it didn't bother me. No, A good debate now

1384
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 3: that we've that, we've come up with seventeen hypotheticals as

1385
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 3: to why it's a good thing. I like the good

1386
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 3: and instruction wise, like they wouldn't just go in the

1387
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 3: bubble and do itever.

1388
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily saying it's a good thing. I'm just

1389
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: saying it's not necessarily a bad thing. That's all I'm saying.

1390
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 4: Oh, it's really simple, but ared's the one that asked

1391
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 4: the question. I think at the owner's meetings, what would

1392
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 4: Bill have said, we're doing what we think is best

1393
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 4: for the team, right, well, why is that best for

1394
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 4: the team?

1395
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: Bill? Because I said so?

1396
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 4: Because I said so, boom done.

1397
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: Now you don't open your can of worms to like

1398
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 3: all these different things. But it wouldn't have been asked because,

1399
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand what you're saying hypothetically. Hypothetically, if

1400
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 3: they decided Bill would never have not done it. It's

1401
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: so funny bring that up.

1402
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: All the time.

1403
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about what individual days like he give them,

1404
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 3: like the third day of mini camp or something like that,

1405
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: because we're ready. And he got criticized for that because

1406
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 3: we're ready. But he got but he did he not

1407
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 3: get Quitts was we're not going to do it because

1408
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: we're not read.

1409
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: Did he not get criticized for doing that? Bill's being

1410
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: easy on it. He's letting them off early.

1411
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: Yep, he did.

1412
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: You can't win.

1413
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 3: He did get. No, you can win. You can win

1414
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 3: six super Bowls. And I'll sit there and say, yes,

1415
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 3: that was what was the B six super Bowl? You

1416
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. You go to you win football games,

1417
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: and I'll say, yeah, he made the right choice. Like

1418
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: I am not I was going to take a cheap shot.

1419
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: I Am not like some people who will never budge

1420
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,479
Speaker 3: off of their spot. If they go out and they're

1421
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 3: completely ready to go, and they show like they're well

1422
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: buttoned up team and the coaching looks great and they're

1423
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: winning games, I'm going to sit there and say, Wow,

1424
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 3: I spent five minutes worried about the fact that they

1425
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 3: weren't ready to go when the season started. For nothing,

1426
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 3: Because they showed that they were ready to go. I'm

1427
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 3: not going to sit there and say, imagine if they

1428
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 3: had actually fulfilled, they would have won it all if

1429
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 3: they had just I'm not gonna do that. If they're

1430
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 3: if they're well coached, they look organized, and everything is

1431
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 3: buttoned up and ready to go, I'll say that that

1432
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 3: was me worried about nothing.

1433
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 5: Okay, I think Evan, you're that's what's best for the team.

1434
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 5: I mean that was Bill's go to and all these situations.

1435
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 3: Why is it best for the team?

1436
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 4: Bill, there's some logistical things that we still have to

1437
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 4: work out, like that could mean it, that could mean

1438
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 4: Red's construction thing, that could mean literally anything, and that

1439
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 4: way there, you're not telling them Paul's thing of we're

1440
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 4: not ready to go.

1441
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 5: No, I know, And that's that's why Bill avoided Paul's

1442
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 5: it like superpower, which is to find that little thing

1443
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 5: and be like, wait a second, I caught that, you know, and.

1444
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 3: Then you know, you know, I'd had the superpower with Bill,

1445
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 3: but it was harder for you. But you're right, it

1446
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 3: would be that's the answer that Bill would have given.

1447
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 3: But isn't that, like, how can I possibly criticize that right?

1448
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 3: It's up to his discretion rights exactly. Now, maybe I

1449
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 3: might say Bill didn't feel like it because he said

1450
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 3: he wasn't really like, there's no But I'm sorry, I

1451
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 3: know you have nine thousand different ulterior motives, he he,

1452
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 3: I have the no you do like you're trying to

1453
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 3: tell me it's construction related. I don't know. You don't

1454
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 3: know what I'm telling you. If it was any of

1455
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 3: these other reasons I'm trying to tell you, we all

1456
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 3: don't know. But what I'm telling you is, if it

1457
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 3: was any other reason other than what he said, he

1458
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 3: wouldn't have said what he said because that paints him

1459
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 3: in the worst possible light.

1460
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: Well, what is not ready mean like you know, we're not.

1461
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 3: Ready to be in front of the team, means the

1462
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: coaches aren't ready to teach.

1463
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: But why like what it like Evan said there might

1464
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: be a legitimate reason for that. Not because they're all incompetent,

1465
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 2: which is what you're thinking.

1466
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is and admit that.

1467
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: Admit that absolutely?

1468
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 3: Okay? Is this like a heart like jeez, I'm really

1469
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 3: I'm really veiled in my concern. My concern, Fred, again

1470
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 3: is that.

1471
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 2: They're not Dady, is that they are incompetent.

1472
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 3: I didn't say that. You just did. No, I didn't.

1473
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: I said, admit it, I said, I will.

1474
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 3: I said my concern is they're not ready. Because they're

1475
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 3: not ready why, I don't know. He didn't say why.

1476
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: Always went around his circles here.

1477
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 3: No, Fred, you just continue to try to put words

1478
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 3: in my mouth and tell you I think this.

1479
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: Is you're putting your own words in your mouth.

1480
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 3: I'm not doing anything. All I'm telling you is there's

1481
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 3: no human being that would say we're not having and

1482
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 3: go ta is because of any other reason that has

1483
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 3: nothing to do with coaching. And I'm going to say

1484
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 3: it's coaching what do you mean?

1485
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 2: It's coaching?

1486
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: My coaches aren't ready to be in front of them.

1487
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: Okay, that's different than that's what he said. But but

1488
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: I asked you why you said I don't know why.

1489
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: It makes no sense to say anything if it was

1490
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: anything other than it's on the coaches, right, it makes

1491
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 3: not the it's on him or he said, I feel

1492
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 3: like we were ready as a coaching stad that's what

1493
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 3: he said. Okay, but like sorry, I don't believe that

1494
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 3: it's anything else. That's the worst possible thing. But why

1495
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 3: on him?

1496
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: But why aren't they ready to have the players in

1497
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: the building?

1498
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 3: I think that they're not. I think they're I don't

1499
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 3: know either, But it's coaching related. It's not some other

1500
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: outside factor.

1501
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that though? Coaching related? Like

1502
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: they're not good coaches or.

1503
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 3: They don't have heard yet. That's what he said. They're

1504
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 3: not on the same page. Yet they're not all on

1505
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 3: the same page. He wants to make sure everybody's on

1506
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 3: the same page.

1507
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 4: I think that I think that they're not on the

1508
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 4: same page in his mind because they've all been all

1509
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 4: over the place on the scouting trail at these prote

1510
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 4: So what he what he said at the at the

1511
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 4: owner's meetings was that I want to give us some

1512
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 4: time to get back in the building together and make

1513
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 4: sure that we're all on the same page before we

1514
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 4: bring the players.

1515
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 2: I don't see like that could be an explanation. I

1516
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: don't see what you know. Like how that points to

1517
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: these guys aren't good. They don't know what they're doing.

1518
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: To me, that's a sign of Hey, I'm going to

1519
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: be pragmatic about this.

1520
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: Admit this said we're not ready.

1521
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: That's fine, But you're saying not ready means they're not good,

1522
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: they don't have their.

1523
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 3: It worries me that they're not ready. I mean, I'm

1524
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 3: sorry again that if that, I don't think it's great

1525
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 3: that they're I know, but if if Evan is I'll

1526
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 3: change next Tuesday, I'll be I'll be very excited because

1527
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 3: they'll be ready for the startup.

1528
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: If Evan is accurate, like they've been out of the building,

1529
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: them be on the scouting trail. If that's true, would

1530
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: that be a good excuse to say, hey, we need

1531
01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: an AX.

1532
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 3: Would worry me? Why? Because I would worry why they

1533
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 3: felt that was more important than getting the team prepared.

1534
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 3: This isn't about getting the team.

1535
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: They're coming in. It's voluntary workouts. They're coming in.

1536
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 3: You lift and run. I feel like I'm coming upaul

1537
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 3: side of the street a little bit. I'll tell you

1538
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: on Tuesday, I'll be excited. No, because evidently that's the control.

1539
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 3: Let me let me can I jump in?

1540
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 5: Because you kind of would hope that Alex van Pelt

1541
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 5: in this offense, would know exactly what they wanted and

1542
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 5: they were going to come in and there's a plan,

1543
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 5: and they had the playbook already and that that's in

1544
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 5: place and that you know, like so I don't know,

1545
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 5: I'm kind of playing.

1546
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 3: I apologize for getting you, but you just those are

1547
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 3: kind of some of the things. No, some of the

1548
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: things that you know, you would be concerned about. That.

1549
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna have the guys in, you know,

1550
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 3: are we are? We got the playbook right, but they're

1551
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: not going over plays. This is when you start to

1552
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: get stuff. I think, my big you get the extra

1553
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 3: two weeks because it's a new system.

1554
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: I don't even think they're allowed to interact right now

1555
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: with the players, right yeah, yeah, they are talking in

1556
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 2: the class like on the field, they know they can't

1557
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: they can't do.

1558
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 3: It right yet, not yet. But this is when they

1559
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: install the systems. That's why you get the extra two

1560
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 3: weeks with a new staff.

1561
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: Okay, well listen.

1562
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 3: It's all irrelevant. I get it. I'll be psyched on

1563
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: Tuesdays they've all been on the road. No, actually, I'm

1564
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 3: going to be pissed on Tuesday because they're wasting their

1565
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: time talking to the players.

1566
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: If they've all been on.

1567
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: The the way you're supposed to do it.

1568
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: If they've all been on the road, then maybe they

1569
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: haven't had a chance to do it the way you

1570
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: know completely.

1571
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: And I would argue, why are they all on the

1572
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 3: road instead of doing that that that's more important.

1573
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 4: That's my concern. I think that they're on the road.

1574
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 4: Now we have three concerns.

1575
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 3: I think no, because this has been my concern all

1576
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: along with this, I'm not is that why you brought

1577
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 3: it up in the you can tell the truth.

1578
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1579
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 4: My concern with it is that I don't think the

1580
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 4: head coach knows the difference between this quarterback and that quarterback,

1581
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 4: so he has to bring his offensive coaches wish him.

1582
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: Ellie to tell him different. Patrick Stewart and Cameron Williams.

1583
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 3: It's different the cast of other it's a different thing.

1584
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 3: It's almost like it's a different brain though. Like they're

1585
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 3: looking at traits. They're looking at how big is he?

1586
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 3: How how far can he throw? What's his arm strength?

1587
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: What's his mobility? What? What are the traits that he

1588
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 3: brings to Pelton? Ben McAdoo have to be on site, yes,

1589
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 3: to figure these I think they did because BeO doesn't know. No, no, no,

1590
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 3: that's what I'm telling you. I think that the sculpture there,

1591
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 3: they should know. If they don't know, they should all

1592
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 3: be out of a job. They know.

1593
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 4: I think that they know that this quarterback is good,

1594
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 4: it has these traits and is good at X, Y

1595
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 4: and Z based off the film. But I think a

1596
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 4: VP and McAdoo know those details exactly.

1597
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 3: But you need to be on site to do that.

1598
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 4: I obviously feel like you just watch the film, I

1599
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 4: think And also.

1600
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: I mean that's a good question, but I think they

1601
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 2: made the decision. We need to be there. We need to,

1602
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: you know, lay eyes on this guy, talk to this guy.

1603
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: We need to be talking together.

1604
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 3: I'll give you, I'll give you no, I mean a

1605
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 3: legitimate example. L this week you didn't need to talk

1606
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 3: to Michael Panics. This week we get eyes.

1607
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: On everything interested and we do need to.

1608
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know Contra when they were. Whatever

1609
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 3: they do, it's got to be right when they were

1610
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 3: when they were. Not for me, I just told you

1611
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 3: to help. If they're all buttoned up and ready to go,

1612
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 3: I'll sit there and say I was worried about nothing.

1613
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 3: But that'll be great. Okay. I didn't tell you that

1614
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick doesn't prepare for seasons properly. You show me,

1615
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 3: I hope not. You showed me when I said that

1616
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 3: that was one of his. So you're saying that everything

1617
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 3: I said has to be wrong.

1618
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying everything that you think they've seen.

1619
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 3: Listen, I've I've only been really around one guy too, really,

1620
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 3: but only one year for Carol. I've seen it done

1621
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 3: a certain way. This is different. This is totally different.

1622
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 3: So forgive me for being a little skeptical of I

1623
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it won't work. I gotta say.

1624
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 5: I I like the fact of having Macadoo a VP.

1625
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 5: They're all right there, they're all seeing it in real

1626
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 5: time together and communicating. And if there are these issues

1627
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 5: of trying to put together what exactly we're looking for.

1628
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 3: I'd much rather have them all there seeing it in person.

1629
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 3: This is such an important pick.

1630
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,919
Speaker 2: And by the way, don't rule, you know, don't discount

1631
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: the owner in all of this. The owner keeps saying

1632
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 2: the same thing, and if if you say the same

1633
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: thing over and over again, it's probably true collaboration, right.

1634
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a collaborative choice. This this third

1635
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: round pick. I mean, this, this number three pick. He's

1636
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: not putting. He's not giving the final, you know thing

1637
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 2: to Elliott. This isn't gonna be Elliott Wolf's pick. This

1638
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 2: is gonna be This is gonna be this is he'll

1639
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 2: have the final say. But this is going to be

1640
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 2: an organizational decision. And in order to do that, I

1641
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: think maybe the owner's saying, you all have to be

1642
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: involved in this in this pick, meaning if it means

1643
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: being all there at the pro day, you'll all have

1644
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: to be there because everyone's opinion has to be inputed

1645
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 2: for this, and you didn't bring in Ben McAdoo not

1646
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 2: to have his opinion, especially with picking a quarterback.

1647
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll end this and let it go because

1648
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 3: obviously I'm never gonna win, but I don't understand why

1649
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 3: Ben mcadow can't have input without being there.

1650
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 2: Maybe he wanted to be there. Maybe I don't know.

1651
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's my point.

1652
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, Yeah, I don't know. I'm assuming.

1653
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that this show.

1654
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 4: I'm assuming the teams get different camera angles of these

1655
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 4: pro days, maybe from the schools themselves. But when you're

1656
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 4: at the mercy of the angle that NFL Network is

1657
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 4: giving you on a guy, it's very different than being

1658
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 4: able to watch the guy in person. But I just

1659
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 4: the one thing that Drake may said when we talked

1660
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 4: to him after his pro day was that a VP

1661
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 4: was quizzing him on the offense. And I think that's

1662
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 4: why a VP was there is because Gerd Mayo is

1663
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 4: not going to quiz him on a VP's playbook. It's

1664
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 4: going to have to be a VP quizzing him on

1665
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 4: the playbook. And when we did the draft thing, Patrick

1666
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 4: Chung told a great story about an interaction that he

1667
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 4: had with the was in Manti Austin fort I think

1668
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 4: at the time that he mentioned at the Senior Bowl,

1669
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 4: and he he said that Mante Austin fort On one

1670
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 4: day drew like a play on a sheet and said

1671
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 4: just just remember this.

1672
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1673
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 4: Then twenty four hours later, came up to Patrick CHUNGK

1674
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 4: and say draw what I told you yesterday, like do

1675
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 4: you remember it? And Patrick Chung said, yeah, you know

1676
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 4: this this whatever, and he drew it up and then

1677
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 4: Manty Austinford just said thanks, walked away, didn't say anything else.

1678
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 4: And so I think that a lot of these things,

1679
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 4: it does come down to, you know, trying to see

1680
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 4: their memory and teach them the playbook and then see

1681
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 4: what they learned and what they absorbed. Or maybe they

1682
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 4: give them plays at the pro day and then they

1683
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 4: have them in for the private workout and they see

1684
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 4: if they remember the plays from the pro day.

1685
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: You know, that time could be any of those things,

1686
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: or none of those things, or something else we haven't

1687
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 2: even thought of.

1688
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1689
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: I just don't think they're throwing away a week because

1690
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: you know they're incompetent. I think it was, you know,

1691
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,480
Speaker 2: a decision that we need another week together as coaches

1692
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,919
Speaker 2: before we bring in players.

1693
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 5: And well, yeah, I mean, we don't have to drag

1694
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 5: it out anymore.

1695
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 3: But I promised i'd let it go. But I never

1696
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: say anyone was a competent for the fifteenth time.

1697
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 5: No, it's it's there's there was a line before and

1698
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 5: competent and it's just you know, you'd hope that not

1699
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 5: everything is in line and get you're chugging towards this

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Speaker 5: and you're going to maximize your time. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: don't you know, it's it's I don't know, that is

1702
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Speaker 5: what it is.

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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody?

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01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 5: The Patriots Draft Countdown, presented by bud Light, dropped its

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01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 5: latest episode yesterday.

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01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,480
Speaker 3: Let's listen. To a snippet from that episode.

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 5: And we're back, guys, just a little over three weeks

1743
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 5: to go to the draft. We've rifled through a lot

1744
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 5: of prospect videos, and we're here just to kick off

1745
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 5: this show talking about some of the latest draft news.

1746
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 5: I think we're kind of settling into silly season. Paul

1747
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 5: feels like this is when people start to you know,

1748
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 5: you hear things like what that doesn't make sense? They

1749
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,919
Speaker 5: love that guy, most notably with Tony Pauline's report yesterday

1750
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 5: that Elliott Wolf enamored with JJ McCarthy, the hot new

1751
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 5: name here on the on the mock draft circuit. So

1752
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 5: what do you take away from that anything?

1753
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 3: I don't take much in terms of what it means

1754
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 3: directly to the Patriots. I think that Elliott Wolf and

1755
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 3: the you know, the cast of thousands that he's evidently

1756
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 3: been traveling with while you know, going on to watch

1757
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 3: all these guys. I think McCarthy's an interesting prospect only

1758
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 3: because of what I've been saying all along. I just

1759
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 3: think he has the most unknown because I just haven't

1760
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 3: seen him be able to do all the things that

1761
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 3: all the other guys had to do for their teams

1762
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 3: in college. So I think there's a skill set there.

1763
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 3: You know. I think he's got, you know, good enough size.

1764
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 3: I think he runs tough. I think he's pretty athletic.

1765
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 3: I think he's shown that he can move around and

1766
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 3: make plays outside the pocket. But like I said, I

1767
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 3: just haven't seen him be able to, you know, put

1768
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 3: a team on his back and have to throw the

1769
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 3: ball thirty five forty forty five times to ensure victory.

1770
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 3: I've seen all the other guys have to do that

1771
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 3: from time to time.

1772
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 5: Evan, I'm gonna tee up. And the last episode we

1773
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 5: showed a film breakdown, you did a McCarthy. You know,

1774
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 5: we talked so much about guys like Mac Jones and

1775
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow and these guys that come from LSU and

1776
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 5: Alabama that have superstar casts around them, and maybe not

1777
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 5: quite the case with JJ McCarthy.

1778
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 3: Do you think he's getting downgraded before?

1779
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 5: You know, think if he was playing on one of

1780
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 5: those teams, Yeah, I'd be talking a little bit higher

1781
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 5: about it.

1782
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 4: Well, that's what a lot of people that like JJ

1783
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 4: McCarthy will tell you. I'll just say this along the

1784
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 4: same lines as Paul. Last week, it was that the

1785
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 4: commanders are Namor with JJ McCarthy. This week, it's now

1786
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 4: the Patriots that are enamored with JJ McCarthy. So I

1787
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 4: think that people are just trying to figure out where

1788
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 4: to put JJ McCarthy. Like, obviously, he's a guy that's

1789
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 4: going to go a little bit higher than maybe we

1790
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 4: thought a couple months ago. He's going to probably go

1791
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 4: in the top half of the first round. But is

1792
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 4: it going to be as early as two or three

1793
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 4: or are we more talking about in that mac Jones

1794
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 4: can he Pickett range in the teens? I would just

1795
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 4: say that proceed with caution this time of year. This

1796
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 4: time last year, Will Levis was a top ten pick

1797
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, Mac Jones was a San Francisco

1798
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 4: forty nine er at number three overall. Then we get

1799
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 4: to the draft and they end up finding their level

1800
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 4: and they end up going in a more comfortable range

1801
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 4: for their skill set. I think that there's a lot

1802
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 4: to like about JJ McCarthy in terms of the talent

1803
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 4: and just the ball of clay that he is. You know,

1804
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 4: he does have the ability, like Paul said, to move

1805
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 4: get outside the pocket. He's elusive in the pocket. Put

1806
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 4: down a fantastic three cone time. So he's got that

1807
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 4: agility and that jitter bugness about him in the pocket,

1808
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 4: and he's got a plus arm. I wouldn't say it's

1809
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 4: an elite arm, but it's a better than average NFL

1810
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 4: arm as well, So you have some things to work with.

1811
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of things I think in this

1812
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,879
Speaker 4: game that needs seasoning, a post snap decision making probably

1813
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 4: being the biggest one, but also accuracy in terms of

1814
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 4: ball placement down the field too. So I'm not a

1815
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy guy. Everybody knows that, but I'm trying to

1816
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 4: open my mind and not be as critical about it

1817
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 4: because clearly there are people in the league that have

1818
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 4: a lot of love for him.

1819
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 3: J McCarthy not at all.

1820
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 8: I think it's smoke screen season and I think it's

1821
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 8: a very risky pick to take him. I don't think

1822
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 8: he's better than the other three guys. I think it's

1823
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 8: risky to take him at three, and I think it's

1824
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 8: gounda be pretty funny when it just goes Caleb Jaden

1825
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 8: Drake and sing.

1826
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: It is boring, but sometimes it's what has to happen.

1827
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 3: But that's how that's how I want it to go.

1828
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 5: And you know, I put out my latest mock draft,

1829
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 5: So yeah, Drake May my guy, you know, I'd love

1830
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 5: them to go with him. And we've got coming up

1831
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 5: next here on Draft Countdown, we have a full film

1832
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 5: segment where Evan breaks down Drake May as well, just

1833
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 5: like he did with McCarthy.

1834
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 3: So, guys, let's just kind of hash out.

1835
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 5: These two a little bit right now, because it's like

1836
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 5: the more things change, the more they say the same Paul,

1837
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 5: you said it a couple of shows ago, you know,

1838
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 5: on Unfiltered, we've been talking about the same stuff. Ultimately,

1839
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 5: does it just kind of still boil down to date

1840
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 5: Daniels or May?

1841
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 3: I think it does, And I think that particular thing,

1842
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 3: I think boils down to your particular taste. And I

1843
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 3: think that there's a lot to like about both guys.

1844
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 3: And that's why I said some nice things about McCarthy too,

1845
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 3: because Evan's right, just because we don't necessarily look at

1846
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: McCarthy in that light doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to

1847
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 3: be talked about, you know like that. So I like

1848
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 3: the idea of May because I just feel like there's

1849
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 3: so much upside there. Now you can make an argument that,

1850
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 3: you know, the opposite is not what you're looking for.

1851
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 3: If it doesn't work out, you don't really have much

1852
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 3: to fall back on. I just feel like he had

1853
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 3: to do a lot of things for that team last year,

1854
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 3: and I want that. I want a guy who sort

1855
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 3: of had to be the guy and how to have

1856
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 3: it all on his shoulders. And you know, I don't

1857
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 3: think it was great. But when you're talking about you know,

1858
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 3: well he failed, Well, what was North Carolina last year,

1859
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 3: like like eight and four or something like. It's not

1860
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 3: like they went, you know, two and twelve. You know

1861
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 3: when when it was all on his shoulders, he still

1862
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 3: won some games, didn't win as many as a lot

1863
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 3: of people thought he might. So you know, that's how

1864
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 3: it works. I like may I think a lot of them,

1865
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 3: But certainly I understand the upside with with Daniels too.

1866
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 3: I know evn't got a chance to see him both

1867
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 3: up close and personal. But yeah, we'll talk about the prodays.

1868
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 3: You were down there, Yeah, tour the South, So yeah, right,

1869
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 3: it was a fun time.

1870
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing with Jaden Daniels is that

1871
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 4: you are really banking on his athleticism and his running

1872
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 4: ability being his superpower, because what I saw from him

1873
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 4: throwing the football was okay. I wasn't blown away, though.

1874
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 4: I didn't look at him and say, Wow, this arm

1875
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 4: talent is just fantastic. He's got a really big arm

1876
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 4: and he can kind of just flick the wrists and

1877
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 4: generate velocity and this that the other I kind of

1878
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 4: felt like it was an NFL arm. We go out

1879
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 4: to training camp and stuff like that, and we see

1880
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 4: guys throw all the time, and I didn't look at

1881
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 4: his arm talent and sit there and say this is

1882
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 4: so much better than Mac Jones or this is so

1883
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 4: much better than Bailey ZAPPI maybe a little bit more

1884
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 4: control on the ball than those guys at times, but

1885
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 4: not blown away. Whereas with Drake May he just has

1886
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:24,520
Speaker 4: a handcannon.

1887
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 3: I mean, that guy.

1888
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 4: Off platform, off one leg, rolling to his left, rolling

1889
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 4: to his right. It doesn't make a difference. He can

1890
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 4: just flick it sixty five yards in the air. And

1891
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 4: I was standing right there when he dropped it in

1892
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 4: to tes Walker on the sideline sixty five yards on

1893
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 4: a dime too, and I was just like, man, this

1894
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 4: is just that's different. That that's a different trait. And

1895
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 4: if you were looking, if you still are of the

1896
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 4: of the mind that you need to win with your

1897
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 4: arm in this league, and eventually all of the running

1898
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 4: and off platform stuff is all great, well and good,

1899
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 4: But the person that's gonna sit in the pocket and

1900
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 4: be able to pick a part of defense is guy

1901
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 4: that's going to hold the trophy at the end of

1902
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 4: the day. I just look at Drake May and think

1903
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 4: that that is an easier path for him to get

1904
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 4: to that point. With Daniels, I think you're really counting

1905
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 4: on the whole package, the running ability, the arm and

1906
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 4: it all coming together at this level for that ability

1907
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 4: to go on a season like he had last year

1908
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 4: at LSU.

1909
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,600
Speaker 8: First, I want to hear more about Tess Walker, but

1910
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 8: I think Jaden Daniels I don't think we're ready for him.

1911
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 8: I think I know Evan's mentioned this before, he had

1912
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 8: Molik Neighbors, he had Brian Thomas, like I think he

1913
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 8: needs a bit more structure, and I think, honestly, the

1914
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 8: Commanders have a more set offense right now for him

1915
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 8: than the Pats would. And Drake May, just as I said,

1916
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 8: you can SI for a while. He has the trades.

1917
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 8: He has an absolute cannon. So I think Mays the guy,

1918
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 8: and I really hope he ends up here.

1919
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, when it comes to elevating the players around them,

1920
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 4: I think that Jaden Daniels could distribute the ball to

1921
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,759
Speaker 4: good receivers no problem. But when it comes to actually

1922
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 4: taking that an offense that maybe doesn't have great receivers

1923
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 4: yet and elevating it to be on what it is,

1924
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 4: I just I think Drake may brings more to the

1925
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 4: table in that respect.

1926
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 9: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no

1927
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 9: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1928
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 9: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx. Where

1929
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 9: now it's next for residential delivery.

1930
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: Only and now great moments in.

1931
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 3: History. Our lads have mac Herron. They don't do the

1932
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 3: proper research either.

1933
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: I like Pat Paul says, our lads, what is it called?

1934
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 2: It's called our lads, not our lads.

1935
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 3: I thought it was our lads.

1936
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 5: Our hour.

1937
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 8: You are our Oh you are?

1938
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 3: Oh you are is once cill owned owned. No, it's

1939
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 3: our No, it's not our hour.

1940
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 8: It's like yours mine and our ours.

1941
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 3: Mine and ours. Yes, this this is the kind of

1942
01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 3: nonsense we're gonna get.

1943
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: It's our lads.

1944
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,759
Speaker 3: How do you say? Aar correct.

1945
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 2: How do you say aar are?

1946
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 3: It's the same. It's it's not ours. Looking up in

1947
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 3: the dictionary. It's not too syllable. Our is not too syllables.

1948
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 3: R and R they're not the same thing, R pronounced R.

1949
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: It's not our.

1950
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 3: God, that's another great moment.

1951
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 2: I don't have to give out the uh ace ticket

1952
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 2: outline because the phones are down. Yeah, there you go,

1953
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,759
Speaker 2: but I will say, if you're doing a little spring cleaning,

1954
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: uh god. Bob's Discount Furniture can help shop storage pack

1955
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: styles like super comfy sectionals with built in storage, party

1956
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 2: ready dining cabinets and storage seating, and best selling beds

1957
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 2: with built in drawers, all at Bob's everyday low prices

1958
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 2: spring into the new season at your nearest. Bob's Discount

1959
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: Furniture the official furniture store of New England Patriots. Anybody

1960
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:02,879
Speaker 2: need new furniture?

1961
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 5: Well, it was my seventeenth anniversary and you know they

1962
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 5: have like the traditional things, and it was furniture like that,

1963
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 5: like that's kind of usually it's like copper or a metal.

1964
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 3: It seems like very specific. So what are you guys

1965
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 3: gonna do for twenty that's coming out I don't know.

1966
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 3: I'll have to check.

1967
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 2: Get your wife a golden toilet I use, I'd use

1968
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 2: it more than her. So well, maybe maybe they're not

1969
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 2: ready downstairs because they're waiting for their furniture shipment. Maybe

1970
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 2: it could be they don't have anywhere to sit supply chain,

1971
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 2: so you know, change should be every time I hear

1972
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 2: those those highlights though from the COVID shows, you can

1973
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: tell like, oh my god, I'm doing those from Michel.

1974
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 3: But you sound great though, were you here? Maybe you

1975
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 3: were here or something. Probably can't keep away.

1976
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 2: Let's see web radio at Patriots dot com is the

1977
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 2: email address, Matt writes in Given it's been a while

1978
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 2: since we've been in the draft position to take a quarterback,

1979
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear Paul compare Drake May coming out

1980
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 2: of college as a prospect to Drew Bledsoe when he

1981
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 2: was coming out of college. What similarities and variances do

1982
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 2: you guys see? Hopefully Paul doesn't get too emotional on

1983
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 2: us by asking him to talk about his lover boy, and.

1984
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 3: Well, I would say there's similar size in arm strength,

1985
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 3: but Drake May is a far better athlete mobility wise, runner,

1986
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 3: all that stuff and I thought Drew was more accurate

1987
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 3: coming out of college than Drake May. That's good.

1988
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 4: I think that in a lot of ways, Drake May

1989
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 4: is kind of like the evolution of Drew Bledsoe and

1990
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 4: Andrew could run.

1991
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that.

1992
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 4: That's now an added element to these guys. You know,

1993
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 4: he's very much the prototypical Drew Bledsoe type of quarterback.

1994
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 4: But now all these guys can move.

1995
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 2: But I would but I would say at the time

1996
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 2: Drew Bledsoe was a higher prospect than Drake May is today.

1997
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, well it was myer's right, but he's

1998
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 3: a better no question. He was a better passer coming

1999
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 3: out of school.

2000
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 2: But he was you know, I think the whole myrat thing.

2001
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 2: I know, he got picked right afterwards, but like it was,

2002
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: Drew Bledsoe was the consensus overall.

2003
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, number one, right, No, I mean I remember now,

2004
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 3: I mean some people like Myra, but Bill Walsh it

2005
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 3: was insistent that Meyra was another Joe Montana. Yeah.

2006
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 5: Think part of it was because a notre dame of

2007
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 5: it all in Washington State.

2008
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 3: Probably. I just take these guys like, you know, I

2009
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 3: make fun of Felger all the time, but it's they're

2010
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 3: wrong a lot. It's it's there's a lot of misevaluations.

2011
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 3: But I think that Parcels thought Bledsoe was the guy.

2012
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 3: I think he thought he was bigger in Northeast and

2013
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 3: would be able to play in the elements, which that

2014
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 3: kind of sold me on him. As I remember watching

2015
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 3: a game because you know, it was apparent it was

2016
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 3: very similar to this year was a parent you were

2017
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 3: going to be in position, and he threw for like

2018
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 3: three hundred yards in the snow game, and I was like, Okay,

2019
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 3: this guy can throw. You know, because I didn't know,

2020
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't watching Washington State games, I didn't know much

2021
01:27:58,920 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 3: about him.

2022
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that, you know, the part about being

2023
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 4: to be able to throw in the elements is that's

2024
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 4: That's another thing that I think Drake May has that

2025
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 4: maybe a Jaden Daniels doesn't quite have. It's I don't

2026
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 4: know if I would draft a quarterback simply because of that.

2027
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't, but.

2028
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 4: Especially after watching you know what we've watched the last

2029
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 4: couple of years, and you can see when it's windy,

2030
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 4: when it's stormy, like this is not gonna be a

2031
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 4: day you're going to throw it forty times, you know, uh.

2032
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 3: Not one of my concerns before. Yeah, oh with it

2033
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 3: with the MAC.

2034
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 4: From now on, with mccor, I'm trusting Paul's instincts on

2035
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 4: these things.

2036
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 2: Myself, Mike and Charlotte says Paul, don't waste your time.

2037
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,759
Speaker 2: Fred has been in spin mode ever since the coaching

2038
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 2: change was made. I guess your opinion doesn't matter anymore unless,

2039
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 2: of course you agree with Fred.

2040
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 3: So I'm going to be a bait, right, I'm going

2041
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 3: to defend Fred a little bit because that was what

2042
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 3: kind of surprised me so much and got me into

2043
01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 3: the argument. Was I don't think you've done that, certainly

2044
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 3: as much over the last year, but even even since

2045
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 3: Gerard got hired, I don't think you've been just like

2046
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 3: it was the only choice and this is is a

2047
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 3: no brainer. This here where we go. I don't think

2048
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 3: you've been like that.

2049
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm not a little like that today, though I don't

2050
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 2: know what it's like. I don't know if Jon Mayo

2051
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 2: is going to be a good head coach. How the

2052
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 2: hell would I know. I also don't know if he's

2053
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 2: going to be a bad one.

2054
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't I don't think that you've been over

2055
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 3: the top spin mode. I don't. And I'm not saying

2056
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 3: that because you know, no, we're trying to make up

2057
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 3: after a fight.

2058
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 5: I would just say first, speaking for myself, it's it's

2059
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 5: just hard because you because you like Mayo personally, like

2060
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 5: you just have gotten to talk to him, you know,

2061
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 5: so I want him to us right right, But it's

2062
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 5: it's you know, you you just generally I like the guy,

2063
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 5: and so it's you know, you are kind of of

2064
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 5: course with rooting for him to succeed, but you know,

2065
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 5: knowing him a little bit personally and having talked to

2066
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 5: him a few times over the last few years, it's,

2067
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 5: you know, it is a little bit different where you know,

2068
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 5: I kind of appreciated the detachment from you know, Bill,

2069
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 5: like we never really I never, I mean I asked

2070
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 5: him a couple of questions here and there, but we

2071
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 5: never saw him, heard from him, didn't, you know. And

2072
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 5: I felt, you know, I didn't feel bad when it

2073
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 5: started to turn and it's like, oh my god, you

2074
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 5: know this team has been bad now three.

2075
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 3: Years in a row, and guess what that's That's kind of.

2076
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 4: Why I I think with Girard, but he's green, like

2077
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 4: he's just he's new to it. And I think what

2078
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 4: worries me with with it is just Bill had such

2079
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 4: all encompassing knowledge of football where every single phase of

2080
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 4: the game and element of the team, he not only

2081
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 4: was a part of it, but he had a right

2082
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 4: to be a part of it. Yeah, you know, And

2083
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 4: I think what worries me with with Girard is that

2084
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 4: the offense is really going to be in a VP

2085
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 4: in mcadoo's hands, to the point where their input on

2086
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 4: who they drafted three overall might be even more than

2087
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 4: the head coach.

2088
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, when when McDaniels had his

2089
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 2: first go around in Denver, when Patricia went over to

2090
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 2: the Lions, what were they criticized for trying to be Bill?

2091
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,600
Speaker 2: Trying to be Bill? And I think might be the

2092
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 2: other way, trying to go so far the other way,

2093
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to be like Bill, even though

2094
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 2: that's who I learned under. I'm going to try to

2095
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 2: be not Bill and try to be myself and then

2096
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 2: so doing you know, like EVI said, sometimes just say

2097
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 2: so much.

2098
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: Right, But I would agree that they got criticized for

2099
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 3: trying to be like Bill. But do you think they

2100
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 3: would have continued to be criticized if they had won.

2101
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 2: I think that happened on day one with Patricia.

2102
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 3: I just said that, Yeah, I literally just said, I

2103
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 3: agree that they were criticized for trying to be Bill.

2104
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 3: I said, do you think that would have continued if

2105
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 3: they had?

2106
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 2: Obviously, if you start winning, then everything you're doing.

2107
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 3: Is right right.

2108
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 5: But I think the hard part for me is like

2109
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 5: the players were turned off by it, and it didn't

2110
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 5: feel from a place.

2111
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 3: But I know what I would I would have, but

2112
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 3: I would absolutely not want the coach to try to

2113
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 3: be like Bill. I don't want that because you can't

2114
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 3: fake that. You need to have one. Yeah, you don't

2115
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 3: have the gravitas to do it.

2116
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 4: That's the positive side of what I was saying was

2117
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 4: just Okay, he's not an offensive expert, so he's letting

2118
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,600
Speaker 4: the offensive experts deal with the offense, and he's going

2119
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 4: to deal with the defense, and you know, so on

2120
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 4: and so forth. I just somebody the head coach to

2121
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 4: me is like the CEO that comes in and make

2122
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 4: sure that everything's buttoned up the way it needs to be,

2123
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 4: and you just worry about whether or not he has

2124
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 4: just the football cachet to be able to sit down

2125
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 4: and say, well, offensively, why did we do that? Like

2126
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 4: why why do were we running these set of plays?

2127
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 4: Or why were we running the ball so much instead

2128
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 4: of doing this or whatever? And I just I think

2129
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 4: that it's he's kind of removing himself from that side

2130
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 4: of the ball a little bit.

2131
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 5: That's something I would hope for Mayo though, is that

2132
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 5: he tries to learn that stuff because if he is

2133
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 5: going to be a head coach here for a long time,

2134
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 5: he needs to have a sense of the offense.

2135
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 3: He needs to have input on that, you know.

2136
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 5: And that it's because, like you know, as we talked

2137
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,480
Speaker 5: about with offensive coordinators and stuff like, if it is successful,

2138
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 5: like Alex van Pelt might get a chance to be

2139
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 5: a head coach somewhere, you need Mayo, I think, to

2140
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 5: start to have a little bit more input on those.

2141
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 3: Kinds of things. So hopefully that's an area he can

2142
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 3: he can grow.

2143
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 2: Well, you know, let's look at Andy Reid. How much

2144
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 2: input do you think he has on the defense or

2145
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,480
Speaker 2: does he give that to you know, spectacle.

2146
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 4: That's a good question, right, And I think but Spagnola's

2147
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 4: earned it, sure, you know, not that a VP is

2148
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 4: a terrible higher not to like do that whole thing,

2149
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 4: but Spagnola is one of the best defensive coordinators maybe

2150
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 4: in the history of the league. I mean, this is

2151
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 4: the guy that's taken multiple defenses and won Super Bowls

2152
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 4: with multiple teams.

2153
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 5: Can he have a boat with rings on it since

2154
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 5: he's only been one Super Bowls as a coordinator or

2155
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 5: is that Okay?

2156
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 4: No, he's got to be silly.

2157
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 2: Barton Poland writes in to the trade down, no matter

2158
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: what crowd, is there a trade down?

2159
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 3: No matter what.

2160
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:40,679
Speaker 2: I have heard the people, you can't get a quarterback

2161
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 2: everything I've heard that, right, Isn't there a crowd that's

2162
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 2: saying that Tom Cowen wants to trade down?

2163
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wants to trade down, but I don't think

2164
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 4: he's like no matter.

2165
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 2: But isn't there the crowd that says you can't take

2166
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 2: a quarterback until you've built up around him.

2167
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 3: Sure, yes, okay, so.

2168
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 2: That's that would be a trade down or at least

2169
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 2: take of Marvin Harrison or something. Right, So anyway, to

2170
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,799
Speaker 2: this crowd he says that you cannot take a quarterback.

2171
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 2: Congrats you are the Bengals and Texans and you passed

2172
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: up on Joe Burrow and c. J. Stroud. If you

2173
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:14,639
Speaker 2: love the quarterback, take them. So I don't know if

2174
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 2: the Bengals and Texans were in the place that the

2175
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 2: Patriots are when CJ. Stroud was sitting there or when

2176
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow was sitting.

2177
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 3: There, the Bengals Bengals were worse. So then he's right

2178
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 3: the Texans. How do you know that those guys are

2179
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and c J. Stroud? If I knew that,

2180
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 3: then it's not a decision, right.

2181
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 2: But but I think his point is, you know, if

2182
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 2: the Bengals were that bad, they didn't let the fact

2183
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: their roster. We keep them forgetting Joe Burrow.

2184
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 4: The Bengals, I agree with that. The Texans had two

2185
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 4: full off seasons of Casario before they drafted c. J.

2186
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 3: Stroud. He had two full drafts.

2187
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 5: And going into those picks though that last I mean,

2188
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 5: we felt like his job was on the line with

2189
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 5: how things were kind of going.

2190
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just think that their situation when you

2191
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 4: look at the Texans, I think everybody, look, they are

2192
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 4: on your rebuild. Look how fastest came.

2193
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 3: No gets pretty close, I really do.

2194
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 4: I think they were really more like a two or

2195
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 4: three year rebuilt like some of those drafts that they

2196
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 4: had before this draft, like Nico Collins didn't come from

2197
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 4: this draft that was that.

2198
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 3: Was Nico Collins was a Jag until c. J. Stroud

2199
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 3: got drafted.

2200
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that the quarterback didn't change the

2201
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 4: equation for them. He obviously did. I'm just saying that

2202
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 4: that roster was you know, they slowly built up that

2203
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 4: roster over the course of a couple of years. I

2204
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 4: mean Cazario took the job and didn't draft Strout until

2205
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,679
Speaker 4: his third draft. That's just a fact.

2206
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know we went over this on Tuesday his

2207
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 3: first draft. He didn't know he wasn't for sure going

2208
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 3: not have Watson, and he still drafted the guy in

2209
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 3: the second round, which a lot of people want to

2210
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 3: do with the Patriots like, So it's not like he

2211
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 3: just said, you know, we're gonna wait and build the team.

2212
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 3: That's just the way it worked out. I don't think

2213
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 3: this was like a design Oh that might be the

2214
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,719
Speaker 3: design plan. That might be the case, but I'm still

2215
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 3: had Watson when he had his first draft.

2216
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 4: That you're you're probably right that it wasn't by design

2217
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 4: that that was the plan. But that is how it

2218
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 4: ended up working out.

2219
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 3: And then they ended up making the move because Watson

2220
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 3: forced their hand and you know, for some other hands

2221
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 3: to Ah good, Mike good before I believe, but and

2222
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 3: I should know better. Joke still stand? Sorry my bad?

2223
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 5: Uh?

2224
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 2: Mike in South Carolina. I do not see what the

2225
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 2: hype around Drake May is. He gives me mac Jones

2226
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 2: two point zero vibes.

2227
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 3: Really, I just don't know how you can watch that

2228
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 3: guy throw the ball and I don't know how I

2229
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 3: see that. My only question would be email back in

2230
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 3: and tell me what do you think is similar between

2231
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 3: the two players. I mean, I've heard a lot of that.

2232
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 3: He's just looking at mat Jones.

2233
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:47,599
Speaker 4: I guess because they look at him the way he looks,

2234
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 4: maybe like his face.

2235
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 3: I don't do anything similar. One's big, one small, one runs.

2236
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 3: One can't. One can throw it through a wall, One can't,

2237
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 3: like get it through the wind.

2238
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:56,600
Speaker 2: Like.

2239
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 3: I don't really know this. There's not really a single

2240
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 3: single larity other than the fact that they both play

2241
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 3: quarterback and they're white. I'll just say it.

2242
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 2: Tom in England, if Fred's policy of taking the quarterback

2243
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 2: you believe in be damned as true, should the Patriots

2244
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 2: consider trading up to two to ensure they take May

2245
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 2: if he's their guy, and what would it cost to

2246
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:17,799
Speaker 2: make it happen?

2247
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 4: Why are the commanders trading the pick?

2248
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I could see that the commanders taking like

2249
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 3: a huge haul from someone if they're not, you know,

2250
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,799
Speaker 3: convinced on a quarterback. But if if they.

2251
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 4: Want May, why.

2252
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,679
Speaker 3: Are they giving you the chance to take May? Right?

2253
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 4: The commanders aren't trading the pick?

2254
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 3: No, do you understand what I'm saying, If you want

2255
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 3: to move up to two so you ensure that you

2256
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 3: get May, why would Washington trade May if they want him?

2257
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 2: But in this case they don't want him or necessarily

2258
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 2: want them that bad. But the Patriots think somebody else does.

2259
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 3: Or do they say, hey, Patriots, the.

2260
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 2: Commanders are willing to trade with the Patriots, they'd be

2261
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 2: willing to trade with somebody else too, And the Patriots

2262
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 2: don't want to risk.

2263
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, they wouldn't, But I'm saying if they

2264
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 3: wanted May, they would take them. They wouldn't trade them

2265
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 3: to anybody.

2266
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 2: Commanders wouldn't.

2267
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 4: Basically, what he's saying is like, if this is a

2268
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 4: Jason Tatum situation where they actually want Jaden Daniels, so

2269
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 4: they open up the auction for the number two pick

2270
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 4: and they end up trading it to the Patriots and

2271
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 4: still drafting Jaden Daniels.

2272
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think there's much chance of that

2273
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 3: me neither.

2274
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,560
Speaker 4: But Adam Scheffer did say on one of his shows

2275
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:35,959
Speaker 4: that he's the winds are blowing towards them taking the commanders.

2276
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 2: Tell me, but isn't isn't there a scenario where the

2277
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 2: Patriots get win that there's another giants trading beating down

2278
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 2: the commander's door, right because they want Drake May and

2279
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 2: they don't want the Patriots to pick them. And the

2280
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 2: commanders are like, yeah, neither of these guys, and they're

2281
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 2: willing to trade out like it.

2282
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 5: I don't know, Well, they'd have to be neither of

2283
01:38:58,240 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 5: these guys, because right, I mean, then it would be

2284
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 5: they're not gonna.

2285
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 2: Get it, not gonna get either they trade out, right, But.

2286
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 3: You know it's I mean for the commanders that they

2287
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 3: really wanted.

2288
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 5: I mean, it would just be kind of them fleecing

2289
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 5: the Patriots and taking their pick and then still getting

2290
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 5: their guys exactly the.

2291
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 4: Jason Tatum like that's that that would be. The only

2292
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 4: way is if they they do that, which I just

2293
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 4: don't see why they would that. That would be as

2294
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,679
Speaker 4: anario like the commanders are taking a quarterback in two.

2295
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 4: That that's I don't know why we keep going back

2296
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 4: and forth on what the commanders are going to do.

2297
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:28,679
Speaker 4: It's just a matter of which quarterback they're picking.

2298
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 3: Yeap. The only trade up would be if you wanted

2299
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 3: to do whatever it took to get your pick of

2300
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 3: the litter. Yeah, it's got to Chicago.

2301
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 2: That would be to go to one, right, Tim writs

2302
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 2: And Drake May is the odds on favorite to go

2303
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:49,520
Speaker 2: to the commanders. If you're Elliott Wolf, are you taking Daniels?

2304
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,679
Speaker 3: I still take Daniels. I do, but I don't feel

2305
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 3: as good about it as I would.

2306
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 4: I feel like we did this to each other, like

2307
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 4: we we've talked ourselves out of this.

2308
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 3: I know what I thought that.

2309
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he's saying that Drake May is the

2310
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 2: odds on favorite to go to the commanders? Is that true?

2311
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 5: Do not adam the other way?

2312
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 3: It's changed a lot over the last weeks, but I

2313
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,719
Speaker 3: think that most people today feel like Daniel's two.

2314
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that.

2315
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 3: You know, like if you go back to like two

2316
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 3: weeks ago, coming out of the like directly out of

2317
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 3: the owner's meetings, there was a huge thing that people

2318
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 3: were saying that Adam Peters was a namor with JJ McCarthy.

2319
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. And then the other day it

2320
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 4: was the Patriots are now at amor or.

2321
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 3: Whatever is that how you pronounce his name, Pauline. I

2322
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:39,560
Speaker 3: think so he's now says that Elliot Wolfe is a

2323
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 3: namor with JJ McCarthy.

2324
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 4: Everybody's somebody is trying, you get J McCarthy making this

2325
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 4: I don't want.

2326
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's making a strong push for j strong push.

2327
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 4: I believe that was the first telling you this is

2328
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:54,799
Speaker 4: all Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh is trying whoever the Chargers

2329
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 4: want at five, that's not a quarterback he is doing.

2330
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 4: He's put in this JJ McCarthy stuff out there to

2331
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 4: get him to go top four.

2332
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,679
Speaker 3: So someone comes up and gets him, which somebody takes

2333
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 3: four out of you know, the top four picks. Neighbors

2334
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 3: they get.

2335
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 4: And they get whoever Hirison do that right.

2336
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 3: They got to take one of the receivers, whoever it

2337
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 3: is that they're losing Allen and Williams. They need a.

2338
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 2: Receiver, zaying from New Jersey. I'm sorry, but if we

2339
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 2: roll with Brissett, who's on a one year deal, in

2340
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 2: a mid round quarterback, we really don't have hope. Uh

2341
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 2: what are we doing?

2342
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 3: But when hope?

2343
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 7: For?

2344
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 3: When? Right?

2345
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 2: We'd be in QB purgatory for the foreseeable future. The

2346
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 2: approach makes zero sense to me. I don't think the

2347
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:39,679
Speaker 2: idea of taking Brissette means were rolling with Brissette?

2348
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 3: Well, just what do you think you know? And I'm

2349
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:46,719
Speaker 3: asking a retorical question, obviously to an emailer who can't

2350
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 3: answer it, But like, what do you think that their

2351
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 3: record would be if they wrote it with Brissette for

2352
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:55,600
Speaker 3: a whole year? So like, I don't understand why that.

2353
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 3: My guess is that you don't think it would be

2354
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 3: very good. Based on the tenor of your email, I agree,

2355
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 3: But why does that put you in quarterback purgatory? No,

2356
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 3: you'd be back because now I'm back with the top

2357
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 3: ten pick, and you've got and sensibly I have a tackle, now,

2358
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:13,679
Speaker 3: I have a wide receiver now, and maybe I don't

2359
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 3: need as many things and I can put more of

2360
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 3: my resources devoted to finding a way to get the quarterback.

2361
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that plan because I think

2362
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 3: you're at the third pick now. I'm just trying to

2363
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 3: give Devil's advocate. Just because Brisset plays and you take

2364
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 3: a quarterback, say on Day two or three, doesn't mean

2365
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 3: that you're never going to get a quarterback. You're not

2366
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:36,639
Speaker 3: in quarterback purgatory. You're in quarterback purgatory. If you take

2367
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 3: him and he fails, you take somebody else and he fails,

2368
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 3: like a lot of teams like the Jets, the Jets,

2369
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 3: the Dolphins before too.

2370
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 4: I would just say the one thing though, I would

2371
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 4: say about like the trading down and then taking the

2372
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 4: quarterback later, Like if you really do hit on those

2373
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 4: two first round picks that you get from Minnesota, and

2374
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 4: it's Pennis at thirty four, it's bo Nick's at thirty four,

2375
01:42:57,120 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 4: then they don't have to do as much heavy lifting,

2376
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 4: Like they don't have to put the whole offense on

2377
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,799
Speaker 4: their back because they're going to have a stud receiver

2378
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 4: and they're going to have a franchise tackle, and they're

2379
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 4: going to have these pieces around them to do the

2380
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 4: whole net neutral brock Purty type of thing. Yeah, So

2381
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 4: I don't just because the quarterback in that scenario wouldn't

2382
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 4: be the quote unquote game changer. You're hoping that the

2383
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 4: supporting cast is going to be the game changer. I'm

2384
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 4: not saying I would do it. I'm just saying that

2385
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:25,639
Speaker 4: you're given the other side.

2386
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, al Ceciliano says, I can't believe you guys like domes.

2387
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 2: The league is turning football into a pussy sport, and

2388
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 2: so are you.

2389
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 3: Let's not forget that you don't hit people because inside

2390
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 3: I don't do.

2391
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 2: By the way, let's not forget the snowball was the

2392
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 2: start to something awesome, never to be duplicated.

2393
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 4: I mean that doesn't just because it was the start

2394
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 4: of something. No, the only reason why I the only

2395
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 4: reason why I like domes is because, as somebody that

2396
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 4: covers the games, it's much more enjoyable experience to be

2397
01:43:57,479 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 4: inside than it is to be in three degrees.

2398
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 5: And you can't even see the other end zone with

2399
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 5: the snow.

2400
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 3: That's it. That's all through. That's it's selfish, and I don't.

2401
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 3: I don't love domes though, I that's not I don't

2402
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 3: like when weather determines the op that's that's that's.

2403
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 5: That's it for me when it's you look back at

2404
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 5: the game and you're like, yeah, they won, but it

2405
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,280
Speaker 5: was in a rain storm or like you know Lamar

2406
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 5: Jackson game and what twenty twenty, you know, like those

2407
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 5: games it was like and the heavens just opened up

2408
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:25,719
Speaker 5: as the as the Ravens were driving.

2409
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 3: That's against the Patriots. Sure, that game in Cincinnati that year,

2410
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 3: that random game that when all of a sudden, Brady

2411
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 3: gets it back for a last drive and it's like

2412
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 3: the rain just it was like Noah's ark yep, yeah.

2413
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 5: No, And that's just you just want a straight up

2414
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 5: game that you feel like the better team won. It

2415
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 5: wasn't affected because all of a sudden, at the perfect time,

2416
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 5: the weather became a huge.

2417
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 2: Issue exactly, Johnny writes in Johnny wanted to say thank

2418
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,839
Speaker 2: you for the last two episodes. It was well needed.

2419
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 3: Okay, what do we do?

2420
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. If you are the Chargers and you

2421
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 2: really want JJ, do you trade Herbert to the Vikings

2422
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 2: for two picks? Now, as the Chargers, you would have

2423
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:09,639
Speaker 2: three first round picks. You get your quarterback and receiver. Now,

2424
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 2: if you were the Vikings, would you do it?

2425
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 3: Yes? If I were the Vikings, I would do it,

2426
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,799
Speaker 3: but I don't know why the Chargers would do Justin Herbert.

2427
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 4: Honestly, though, when it comes to all this JJ McCarthy love,

2428
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 4: I do kind of want to be like, do you

2429
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 4: want Jim Harbaugh? If he's that great, take them, take them,

2430
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 4: have them take them kill because he's so much better

2431
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 4: than Justin Herbert, who's already amazing.

2432
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 3: So I just think that would be an amazingly dumb risk, right,

2433
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 3: And then I go down with that ship. I know

2434
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 3: I have a guy that I can win with. I'm

2435
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:39,760
Speaker 3: going to trade him for a guy that I think

2436
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 3: I can win in college.

2437
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 4: Just because he's the KAI coached in college.

2438
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 3: Right.

2439
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 5: And then Herbert goes to some other team and continues

2440
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 5: to light it up.

2441
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 4: And I blame Jim Harbaugh for all of this.

2442
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 3: Your theory is no, I only blame for one thing,

2443
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 3: the JJ McCarthy. But but it's plausible. Your theory is

2444
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 3: plausible that he's trying to bump him up so much

2445
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 3: to try to make sure that all four of those

2446
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 3: picks are used on quarterbacks.

2447
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 4: That's what happens because these college coaches give input to

2448
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 4: these teams, and now he's in. You know, he's leaking

2449
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 4: this stuff to the media.

2450
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 3: J J.

2451
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 4: McCarthy killed his interviews. J J McCarthy his pro day,

2452
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 4: best pro day I've ever seen, all these other things

2453
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 4: like that, this is what we just keep doing with

2454
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:19,599
Speaker 4: this kid.

2455
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, yes, he's had time to

2456
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 3: do all of those smoke screens. Yet still start o

2457
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 3: t as chess. I'm not. I gave the first right,

2458
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 3: that's the fair warning. The fair warning. We don't have

2459
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 3: to get back into it. But I'm going to just

2460
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:41,919
Speaker 3: toss there Horrorwitz, right Howitz?

2461
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2462
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 3: I think so it's not to LESCo anymore. He got

2463
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 3: he got first first time coach. How about that right

2464
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 3: on time? No, I actually don't know who the GM is.

2465
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 3: Something if you would put a gun to my heads

2466
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 3: with the raiders horts, I think it's like Hoitz, you

2467
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 3: got from Baltimore. Yeah, now I know who it is. Yeah,

2468
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 3: it is the first time, first time GM for a bunch.

2469
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 4: Of liars, and they're putting on a Hollywood movie about

2470
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy over there.

2471
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

2472
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 5: What do you think he goes really like realistically like

2473
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 5: number pick I'm going to say twenty like I think

2474
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 5: he's in mid round first mid first round.

2475
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the question is to who McCarthy will

2476
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:24,560
Speaker 3: take them. I don't know. I'm where. If I'm the

2477
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 3: he's going in the top ten.

2478
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 4: If I'm the Vikings and like that's your let's say

2479
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 4: that that's your guy, I would just I would roll

2480
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 4: the dice that he's there at eleven. Yeah, I wouldn't.

2481
01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:36,679
Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade all my the picks. I just got

2482
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:40,960
Speaker 4: to just move up to four when I didn't didn't

2483
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 4: take them because you take didn't take them.

2484
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 3: Doesn't it just make sense that they made that trade.

2485
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 3: Everybody says they made that trade so they could move up. Well,

2486
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 3: maybe they just want to. Maybe they just made that

2487
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 3: trade so they didn't have to only take a quarterback, right,

2488
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 3: they could take a quarterback and something else.

2489
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why they required because they need a lot

2490
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,679
Speaker 4: of help on defense to the Vikings.

2491
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see Will Wrights in. If we planned on

2492
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 2: running a backup quarterback like Jacoby, and we traded Mac

2493
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 2: as a backup, why pay Jacoby just to trade Mac

2494
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 2: to be a backup for six rounder. If they did

2495
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 2: not plan to draft a quarterback, I think they should

2496
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 2: have kept him. I believe the writing is on the

2497
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 2: wall and we are going quarterback at three overall. If not,

2498
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 2: then why not give Jones a chance?

2499
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,639
Speaker 5: With young talents, It's Max not Apple Staples.

2500
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 3: I think they had to get him out. I think

2501
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:31,800
Speaker 3: they definitely are going to take a quarterback. I think

2502
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 3: the Brissette signing told us that. But I agree with Mike.

2503
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, I'd rather have Brissett than Mac

2504
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 3: Jones or I mean, I understand they wanted they needed

2505
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:45,600
Speaker 3: him to go out. I think he wanted out. I

2506
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 3: think they thought that was best for him and them.

2507
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:50,600
Speaker 3: Will Wrights in.

2508
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 2: I hear a lot of people saying draft Marvin Harrison

2509
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 2: at three, but I don't see the point in that.

2510
01:48:57,240 --> 01:49:02,360
Speaker 2: If you can trade that pick for Jay jettis what

2511
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 2: is I don't know.

2512
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 4: Justin Justin justin Jeffers Jets, Jets, is that what they

2513
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 4: call him?

2514
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 3: That's what he called three, pick.

2515
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 2: Eleven and maybe pick twenty three. I get they would

2516
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:15,719
Speaker 2: have to pay Jefferson a lot, but I definitely think

2517
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 2: that's the better option. Yet, with that being said, I

2518
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 2: still think you take the quarterback you want if he's

2519
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 2: there at three instead of trading down. Do you think

2520
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 2: receiver second and fourth round and tackle third round would

2521
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,799
Speaker 2: be a good draft. I think we should trade future

2522
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 2: picks to acquire another second round and get two second

2523
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 2: round receivers and then a tackle in the third. But

2524
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 2: we may have to give up too much. Just want

2525
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 2: to I don't want to do all that.

2526
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:41,559
Speaker 3: I don't need to have everything done in this draft.

2527
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 1: No.

2528
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 3: I think they have, you know, high picks in those rounds.

2529
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:48,680
Speaker 3: They need to make good picks. I don't think they

2530
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:51,759
Speaker 3: need to be sacrificing future picks to get additional picks.

2531
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 3: I just think they need to do a good job

2532
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 3: with this draft. I'm not telling you this is like

2533
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 3: a make or break draft. I know a lot of

2534
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:02,200
Speaker 3: people have been very you know, sky is falling with

2535
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 3: this draft. If they don't nail this, this is gonna

2536
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 3: put Now there's there's pressure on these picks. They need

2537
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:09,919
Speaker 3: to find some good players, especially on offense.

2538
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, just stay the course, Stay the course.

2539
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 4: I think the Marvin Harrison Junior people have quieted down

2540
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 4: a little bit, just a little bit. I haven't I

2541
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 4: haven't like as we get closer, I haven't heard like

2542
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 4: that was really popular at the beginning of this whole thing. Yeah, now,

2543
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 4: I you know, on all of our shows, I don't.

2544
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 4: I feel like we don't hear it.

2545
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 2: In my coach chamber. To me, what's surprising. But Marvin

2546
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,720
Speaker 2: Harrison is like two months ago, he was illy, he

2547
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:38,120
Speaker 2: was head and shoulders. There's no wide receiver close. He's generational.

2548
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 2: And now the other two neighbors in Romadoozi are like

2549
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:42,799
Speaker 2: right there.

2550
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,559
Speaker 4: I agree, Yeah, yeah, I think you know, we've talked

2551
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 4: about it, at least I have with Deuce. It's it's

2552
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 4: a little bit like a would you rather DeVante Adams

2553
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 4: or Tyreek Hill with Neighbors in him? Where it's just

2554
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 4: kind of like what style of receiver would you prefer?

2555
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 4: You know, Neighbors is the game breaker, He's the explosive

2556
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 4: of you know, three level speed, whereas Marvin Harrison is

2557
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 4: just this well rounded you know AJ Green and Davante Adams.

2558
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 4: Julio Jones like, this is perfect prospect. So which one

2559
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 4: would you rather game plan against? As a defensive coach?

2560
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 2: Like?

2561
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 4: Who scares you more? As a defensive coordinator? I think

2562
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 4: a lot of people convince themselves at the speed and

2563
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:23,560
Speaker 4: the big playability of Neighbors is more you know, tantalizing

2564
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:27,680
Speaker 4: and well freight, it's scary for a defense to prepare for,

2565
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 4: like Tyreek Hill versus Adams, Who's awesome, but you know,

2566
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,880
Speaker 4: are you really up at night thinking like, you know,

2567
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 4: what are we going to do against Adams all week long?

2568
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 4: Whereas with Hill it's it changes the entire complexion of

2569
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:39,879
Speaker 4: your game.

2570
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,560
Speaker 3: Plans, single play And I'm not going to tell you

2571
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 3: that it'll never happen, you know, with the whole Minnesota thing.

2572
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:48,600
Speaker 3: But I've said, you know since the trade, and I

2573
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 3: kind of keeping the same thing with Jefferson. I just

2574
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 3: don't see why they would trade them, Like they're going

2575
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 3: to try to get a quarter based of the franchise

2576
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 3: right now, and wouldn't you want to do whatever you

2577
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 3: could to keep that guy so you get a good

2578
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 3: evaluation of your quarterback.

2579
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 4: I don't think that they have any intentions really of

2580
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,600
Speaker 4: trading him. Yeah, I mean Ques said flat out like,

2581
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,800
Speaker 4: I don't know where this is coming from, but we're

2582
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,680
Speaker 4: not trading justin Jefferson. I know gms say that all

2583
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 4: the time, But.

2584
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 3: Like the Buffalo thing, you know, like Mike and I

2585
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 3: keep going back to it because you were like one

2586
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:21,600
Speaker 3: of the first ones I heard talk about it. You

2587
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 3: understand where that was headed. I don't really hear a

2588
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 3: lot of that With Jefferson. His contract is up and

2589
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 3: they're going to have to pay him a lot of

2590
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,920
Speaker 3: money to keep them. I think they probably want to

2591
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 3: keep them. And how do you do that. You can

2592
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 3: put a good quarterback on the field and show him

2593
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 3: like it doesn't have to be Kirk Cousins. I get

2594
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:41,679
Speaker 3: this guy too when he's.

2595
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 1: Going to get you the ball.

2596
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:46,679
Speaker 3: Jj McCarthy, Sam Darnold, you know whoever. Jim McCarthy. Literally,

2597
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 3: just my point is if I'm Minnesota, I want to

2598
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 3: do whatever I can to keep this guy because he

2599
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:57,639
Speaker 3: is a generational talent. Yeah, no doubt.

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01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 4: I mean I think the biggest thing with him is

2601
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 4: the contract, obviously, and they just drafted Jordan Addison, who

2602
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 4: had a really good rookie year. You look at the

2603
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 4: receiver class, you look at the talent that keeps entering

2604
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:09,680
Speaker 4: the league with the wide receivers, and maybe you think

2605
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:12,720
Speaker 4: it's more cost effective to do it. But they don't

2606
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 4: have you know, we talked about this as the Bills

2607
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 4: and the Chiefs, they don't have the luxury of the

2608
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 4: quarterback like gust teams, and.

2609
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,720
Speaker 3: Maybe he's bitching behind closed doors and we don't know.

2610
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:21,600
Speaker 3: Maybe he's told him, you know, your guys can keep me,

2611
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:23,760
Speaker 3: but I ain't resigning him no matter what. And then

2612
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 3: you know he's forcing the hand. And if that happens,

2613
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 3: that's why I say, I'm not going to be stunned

2614
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 3: if I just don't see it right now. But if

2615
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 3: those things are going on and we don't know about.

2616
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 2: Them, James writes in He's in the UK, All this

2617
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:39,800
Speaker 2: talk of trading down this year to collect picks for

2618
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:42,680
Speaker 2: weapons has me thinking why not do that next year?

2619
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 2: With what looks like a much stronger quarterback class in

2620
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 2: this draft compared to twenty twenty five. Get your guy

2621
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 2: at three. But, as Fred says, only if you love him,

2622
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 2: you could then trade down next year with what will

2623
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 2: likely be a top five pick and grab some talent

2624
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 2: that way.

2625
01:53:58,600 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 1: Couch.

2626
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:01,879
Speaker 2: Using this method in theory, you could have a quarterback

2627
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 2: in place who looks good, which could then make New

2628
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 2: England a more desirable destination for free agents, while adding

2629
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,760
Speaker 2: talent around him in the twenty twenty five draft.

2630
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, It's just it's a lot.

2631
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 5: I'm not really worried about making making this a more Uh,

2632
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:20,080
Speaker 5: it's a lot like taking a quarterback.

2633
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:22,679
Speaker 3: Like I don't think you can approach team building.

2634
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:24,559
Speaker 5: We're just trying to make this a more attractive place,

2635
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 5: like just draft well and win games and that all that.

2636
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 3: Stuff takes care of itself.

2637
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:29,760
Speaker 2: And you know, trying to get this point. If you

2638
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 2: got the next Joe Burrow in place, that will make

2639
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 2: it more. And that's justin Jefferson.

2640
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 5: That's why I just again, I keep going back to

2641
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 5: you're at three. Overall, if Drake May is there, he's

2642
01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 5: worth missing on. He's worth taking that chance on. He's

2643
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 5: got all the skill that you you could ask, He's

2644
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 5: got that high ceiling that you need to say. I

2645
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:50,840
Speaker 5: could imagine this guy someday taking on Josh Allen and

2646
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 5: leading a team you know, consistently over him or you know,

2647
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 5: any I'm not even to say homes yeah, because that's a.

2648
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:57,440
Speaker 3: Whole nother level.

2649
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 5: But you know that's what you have to be able

2650
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:02,040
Speaker 5: to convince yoursel that this guy can take you past

2651
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 5: those teams. And you know it's a hard even when

2652
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 5: you get past them, to J. J. McCarthy and Michael Pennix,

2653
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 5: to think.

2654
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the guy.

2655
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 5: You know, It's just I mean, maybe they are, and

2656
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 5: but it'll be you know, one of those shot in

2657
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 5: the moon, you know, shot in the dark kind of

2658
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 5: things where he just randomly.

2659
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 4: Kind of the're talented with with Drake May is so

2660
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 4: immense that if he's there, so immense and at number three,

2661
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:24,240
Speaker 4: I just I don't know how you pass on it,

2662
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 4: like I just and maybe maybe the flaws don't end

2663
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 4: up being ironed out, that he doesn't get the footwork

2664
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 4: down and his mechanics down, that it's perfect, but it's

2665
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 4: such a a worthwhile swing because the ceiling is just

2666
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 4: so high that if it if it does work out,

2667
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:42,120
Speaker 4: then you do have a Josh Allen, you do have

2668
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:42,880
Speaker 4: one of those guys.

2669
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 2: Joe and Washington State first time emailer love the show.

2670
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 2: Just want to get Fred on record how long he

2671
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 2: will be grading the first time head coach and GM

2672
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 2: on a curve? Is it for the duration of year one?

2673
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 2: Two years? On record? We need to know when we

2674
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,360
Speaker 2: will be allowed to point out things that are shoes

2675
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 2: without hearing the response, Well, he's a first time head

2676
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 2: coach week four.

2677
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 3: Before you're giving him a month. I love how he

2678
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 3: has a number of the top week four. I was

2679
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 3: gonna say and two.

2680
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 2: And this, to a lesser extent, can be directed as Mike.

2681
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 3: As well, Oh what happened to Uh, he's got the

2682
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 3: sneaky negative that he's got the first out of nowhere.

2683
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 3: I just I swayed him on that argument. I don't

2684
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 3: know how I did.

2685
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 7: No.

2686
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 2: I think, you know, without kidding around, I think you know,

2687
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 2: if you see like two three games into the season

2688
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:37,640
Speaker 2: and like they don't, you know you can. We made

2689
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:39,440
Speaker 2: fun of coaches who didn't know what they were doing

2690
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 2: in a game.

2691
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:42,880
Speaker 3: Well, if he looks like Nathaniel Hackett.

2692
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,840
Speaker 2: Or I used to make fun of Chuck because he

2693
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 2: I was thinking pretty good, I had the Bills on

2694
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 2: my brain.

2695
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 3: That was good, you know, like fake punt. Aside, Chuckgono

2696
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 3: won some games with a very average team.

2697
01:56:58,080 --> 01:56:59,560
Speaker 2: I don't care. He was a bad coach.

2698
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 3: He was terrible.

2699
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 5: Well, I think it was the same kind of question

2700
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 5: that we were asking about Bill post Brady. How long

2701
01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 5: you know, how long before you can legitimately judge Bill?

2702
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 3: And you know, I think we all give Bill.

2703
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 5: I mean, Bill had a huge resume that bought him

2704
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 5: some time. But I don't know how you can't give

2705
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 5: Mail the first year with you know, you can't be

2706
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 5: screaming from the mom tops.

2707
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 2: But I'm just like his question, when would I start worrying.

2708
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 3: Worrying, you know, like if I stopped grading him on

2709
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 3: a curve? Yeah, it's what the question if?

2710
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,800
Speaker 2: It's if it's like you know, Keystone cops during games

2711
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 2: and they're making you know, questionable decisions, and I'm worried.

2712
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:35,120
Speaker 5: Worried Now, that's that's I mean, I think it would

2713
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:36,920
Speaker 5: really have to be extreme by week four. But I

2714
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:38,640
Speaker 5: mean I think midway through the season you kind of

2715
01:57:38,680 --> 01:57:41,080
Speaker 5: get a sense of what the team's identity is, and

2716
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 5: you know what kind of job they did in the

2717
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 5: draft and how these prospects are kind of coming along.

2718
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 5: But I mean, I would just say, generally speaking, I

2719
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 5: don't I think, you.

2720
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 3: Know, if they take a you know, a guard in

2721
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:53,360
Speaker 3: the first round this year, I'm worried.

2722
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 5: You know, right, I mean, if Drake May is there

2723
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 5: and they trade down and end up with you know,

2724
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 5: the third best tackle and then they take one of

2725
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:03,160
Speaker 5: their you know, they take key On Coleman, you know,

2726
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:04,880
Speaker 5: and Evan's like pulling his hair out, you know, just

2727
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:05,280
Speaker 5: the guys.

2728
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 3: They take Joe Milton with the number three Joe Milton.

2729
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:12,120
Speaker 3: I just I can't do another draft like that. They

2730
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:14,880
Speaker 3: don't play a cornerback who's played ninety seven percent of.

2731
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,640
Speaker 5: The right right, I'm worried, right right, Like take the layups.

2732
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:19,640
Speaker 3: I mean, none of these things worried anybody at the

2733
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:21,120
Speaker 3: time when they actually happened.

2734
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:23,400
Speaker 5: Well, if you heard Evans reaction to cold Stream, he

2735
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 5: wasn't here.

2736
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 3: I would not have reacted if I was here like that.

2737
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 2: I did.

2738
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:30,600
Speaker 5: No, No, I mean, I mean, yeah, yes, I had

2739
01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 5: him as a Day three guy, but I mean I

2740
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 5: like the aggressiveness that he you know, he's a real

2741
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:36,080
Speaker 5: maler there.

2742
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,760
Speaker 3: He puts a defensive coach in his offensive corner.

2743
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm wearing.

2744
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:44,240
Speaker 3: Again, none of these things actually worried about at the time.

2745
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 3: Now I learned he told Patricia was going to work.

2746
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 2: I did. He's a human being, I did. I still

2747
01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:57,960
Speaker 2: say that I will die on that hill. He deserves

2748
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 2: our thanks. All right, that's gonna be for this edition

2749
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:05,080
Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfiltered. Have a good weekend everyone. I'll have

2750
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:07,640
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2751
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:17,920
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